East wall #Irelandisfull

[Walter Cronc]

Looking forward to the anti drug dealer rally in Flinglas, Ballymun etc....oh wait

[Rossfan]

Germany 1930 sadly being repeated in Ireland

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41063300.html

[JoG2]

Looking forward to the anti drug dealer rally in Flinglas, Ballymun etc....oh wait

And if it was Australians, Swedish etc needing shelter / help from some atrocity what would be happening? Cead mile failte.
It's disgusting beyond belief, Christmas has come early for the right wing in this country. Numbers are swelling, its viewing that won't get any easier

[tonto1888]

Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future  because once they are in the country they are not leaving .

Why would a refugee return? They have left their home country due to persecution of some kind

If the war ended, for example. Or if the regime changed.

A war ending might not change the reason they were persecuted for. Same with regime. Also, by that time they may have been granted unlimited leave to remain. They could be settled in the country. Working. Married etc

[burdizzo]

Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?

[J70]

It's amazing the cynicism and contempt some have for refugees and immigrants.

Those want to come to work and build secure and successful lives for their families are "taking our jobs".

The rest are just free loaders after our generous benefits.

They can't win.

[Milltown Row2]

Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?

Again whose fault is that? If I'm living a life in one of those countries I'll try and better it, it's up to the governments of these countries to have things in place to deal with this.

It's easy it seems to attack the migrants but the rule makers are getting off Scott free, go protest outside the rule makers, go beat up on them

[tonto1888]

Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?

They don't get benefits when they've been given refugee status as they now have the right to work. Any refugee that gets benefits will do so under similar circs to nationals of that country

[whitey]

I'm far from an expert on international law, but I thought you claimed asylum/refugee status at the border of the first safe country.

Is that the case?

[tonto1888]

The 1951 convention doesn't actually state that you have to

[whitey]

The 1951 convention doesn't actually state that you have to

It doesn't state" that you have to- what does it "suggest" you do?

Is that the only law that covers this topic?

What about EU law?

[tonto1888]

EU law states that the asylum seeker can, under certain circs, be returned to the first EU country they passed through

[tonto1888]

Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so

[whitey]

Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so

If someone is already in a "safe" country, does that in turn change the obligation of the next country down the line?

What happens if they claim asylum in a safe country, and then transit on to another country?

Would that nullify their subsequent applications?

Do these rules apply to refugees or asylum seekers or is there a clear distinction between the two?

[tonto1888]

Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so

If someone is already in a "safe" country, does that in turn change the obligation of the next country down the line?

What happens if they claim asylum in a safe country, and then transit on to another country?

Would that nullify their subsequent applications?

Do these rules apply to refugees or asylum seekers or is there a clear distinction between the two?

An asylum seeker is seeing to gain refugee status.

If an asylum seeker passes through a safe country and doesn't claim there it can damage their claim in the country they claim in depending on the reasons. It won't mean a refusal straight off but can add to a refusal, give it more weight if that makes sense.

As far as I remember if a person lands in a country having already been granted asylum elsewhere they will be returned to that country. Unless there is a good reason why they left.