East wall #Irelandisfull

[whitey]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

[ThomasMullan]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

[Norm-Peterson]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

There isn't much cultural difference between an American and an Irish person anyway. I grew up watching American television shows, movies and music. You could call it the 'Anglosphere'.

[ThomasMullan]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

There isn't much cultural difference between an American and an Irish person anyway. I grew up watching American television shows, movies and music. You could call it the 'Angloshere'.

You only think that until you go there and hang out with them.

[armaghniac]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

Exactly.Ireland is a prosperous country in its own right, if you like America then you stay, if not then you go home. You do not stay in America and gripe about it or form a jihadi group to try and overthrow it. Many Americans come here and the same thing applies to EU countries. The same would apply to any Japanese or Singaporeans that come here, they have choices. What is dangerous are people who do not like the country but come here anyway because of deficiencies in their own country. The most recent lot in Rosslare did not even seem to know what country they were going to!

You only think that until you go there and hang out with them.

The Anglosphere is overrated. But that does not change the fact that America has had a long association with Ireland and with our immediate neighbours and other European countries and so has more similarities culturally with us than Afghanistan.

[whitey]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

[Armagh18]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.

[tonto1888]

There's wee armagh18 pandering to the likes of Whitney and buzz cut again.

[ThomasMullan]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.

Why are they c*nts exactly?

[ThomasMullan]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

And where in Ireland have 1000 ME/African migrants moved into a village of 500?

[JoG2]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

High percentage of them rapists and pedophiles, eh??

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.

The absolute state of this,and you the resident Tate fanboy. All depends on the skin colour. Disgusting

[trailer]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.

The c7nt beside me is from Armagh. What's he doing living in Tyrone? F7cking Armagh w**ker.

[maddog]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.

 Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people

I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family

So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.

Re read my post

I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.

How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?

Re read it again

Me and his kids

My kids and him


Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls

Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish

Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people

That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.

Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.

Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.

If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American

While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical

Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success

Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.

The c7nt beside me is from Armagh. What's he doing living in Tyrone? F7cking Armagh w**ker.

Cultural enrichment

[PadraicHenryPearse]

A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a  Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.

Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...

I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.

I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.

[armaghniac]

A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a  Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.

Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...

I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.

I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.

All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?