East wall #Irelandisfull

[burdizzo]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?

What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!

You were complaining about Irish school kids not getting something or other but money was found for the Ukrainians. Anyway, like I said, punching down on the new arrivals, rather than on the government who can afford for all. Brave man.

Nah. No government can afford to fund resources for never-ending amounts of immigrants. I still think the government we elect and pay for should prioritise Irish citizens. You can spout all your lovely Marxist buzzwords, but that's just the reality.
Now, I've work to do tomorrow, so I'm not going to stay up all night arguing with you. Goodnight, Sweetie!

[GAABoardMod5]

A bit of housekeeping might be in order on this thread.

Maybe a few posters will take this opportunity to retire.

[whitey]

So in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in

Now that's "a right wing talking point"

So why don't the Government  stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed

Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?


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[Armagh18]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

Stop speaking sense ye big racist

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Spent a year in Indonesia. Been back a few times.  Mostly Muslim population.  I've never met nicer, warmer people.  Couldn't do enough for you.  As an atheist, I think we could all do with a bit more Islam, at least as I encountered it.

[Hound]

Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.

Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.

But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.

Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.

And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living  thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.

But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.

Thats scary.

So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.

This is not a black and white situation.

Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.

Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.

Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?

Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?

The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.

The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).

Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?

You are utterly obsessed with racism.

People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.

Jesus!! That's some stretch

I don't think so MR2.

When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.

It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.

The zealots are those manning the barricades against some imagined threat. Calling it a 'plantation' ffs!

And once again.

"Imagined threat". Or as you keep putting it, if a person has any concerns with immigration in their town, it's because they're a racist. No other reason. All other reasons  are imaginary. Just racism. Racism racism racism. Racism. Racism. Repeat to fade.

But he's asked you a few times to explain those reasons, and you haven't done so. And those few who have, have had clear racist undertones.

So what are the concerns with a town with a population of about 5,000 being landed with about 150 refugees?

[Hound]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

Stop speaking sense ye big racist

But it's a blatant lie to say Ukrainians or any other refugees are treated better than Irish by the government. Our welfare system is one of the more generous ones in the EU, far more so than UK. We have what is regarded as full employment and those who can't or won't work get a comparatively reasonable payout (in fact there would be some complaints that those who refuse to work get too much).

I am sure you will point to some rare example somewhere to prove a point with an exception, but there's not many Irish who would want to swap places with a Ukrainian refugee in sheltered accommodation.

[tonto1888]

Disgraceful scenes today in Roscrea.  You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.

Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.

Disgraceful, all right. Imagine the State riding roughshod over its own CITIZENS in favour of any amount of illegal immigrants. Crazy.

if these people have came in and claimed asylum, which I am assuming they have, then they are not illegal

[tonto1888]

Disgraceful scenes today in Roscrea.  You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.

Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.

Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.

Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.

But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.

Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.

And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living  thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.

But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.

Thats scary.

So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.

This is not a black and white situation.

what exactly is scary about it

[tonto1888]

Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.

Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.

But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.

Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.

And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living  thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.

But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.

Thats scary.

So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.

This is not a black and white situation.

Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.

Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.

Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?

Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?

you do know there doesnt have to be conflict in any area to make someone a refugee/asylum seeker dont you?

[tonto1888]

So in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in

Now that's "a right wing talking point"

So why don't the Government  stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed

Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?


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and they would be incorrect

[Rossfan]

Some very unchristian "Christians" among us.
They might just look up the Gospels and see the kind of things Jesus said therein.

I see the "Roscrea concerned 200" have attracted the nazifascists from Cork and Dublin who now make up more than 50% of the 200 bigots.
So we have 100 residents from a town of 5,000
They excelled themselves yesterday abusing women and children, a bit like the Holy Cross situation 20+ years ago.

That Racket Hall Hotel is out in the Country with a few farmers for immediate neighbours.

The issues of GPs, etc only seems to become a problem if some black skinned people are accommodated.
Didn't seem to bring out any "concerned" townspeople when about 5 or 6 times more white skinned Ukrainians were moved in!

[armaghniac]

Some very unchristian "Christians" among us.
They might just look up the Gospels and see the kind of things Jesus said therein.

I see the "Roscrea concerned 200" have attracted the nazifascists from Cork and Dublin who now make up more than 50% of the 200 bigots.
So we have 100 residents from a town of 5,000
They excelled themselves yesterday abusing women and children, a bit like the Holy Cross situation 20+ years ago.

That Racket Hall Hotel is out in the Country with a few farmers for immediate neighbours.

The issues of GPs, etc only seems to become a problem if some black skinned people are accommodated.
Didn't seem to bring out any "concerned" townspeople when about 5 or 6 times more white skinned Ukrainians were moved in!

This issue attracts both the right wing elements and the open door crowd and both prevent any realistic assessment of the situation. Ukrainians are Europeans and you will do more to help your neighbours than someone from another continent who has passed many places en route because they think they will get more from the taxpayer here.

[JoG2]

Seriously grim reading in here... The land of a hundred thousand welcomes*

* colour dependent

[trueblue1234]

Seriously grim reading in here... The land of a hundred thousand welcomes*

* colour dependent

Especially given our own past. Eaten bread soon forgotten.