Do we really have any chance of landing this? As a country we dont have a good record of nailing any of these applications. How many GAA grounds will be in the plans?
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Well, seeing there are feck all 'Major' Rugby nations there's a good chance we could nail it! Belfast, Limerick, Dublin, Cork and possibly Galway have (or will have by then) suitable stadia. A Small country like Ireland would suit a 'smaller' Tournament. As usual the application will depend on the GAA. And in fairness there should be no bother there. It will be in the Autumn, off season for GAA and there could be a couple of quid to be made. The final would be in Croke Park and sure what GAA person would not want to show off that Stadium to the Rugby world fraternity?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
Well, seeing there are feck all 'Major' Rugby nations there's a good chance we could nail it! Belfast, Limerick, Dublin, Cork and possibly Galway have (or will have by then) suitable stadia. A Small country like Ireland would suit a 'smaller' Tournament. As usual the application will depend on the GAA. And in fairness there should be no bother there. It will be in the Autumn, off season for GAA and there could be a couple of quid to be made. The final would be in Croke Park and sure what GAA person would not want to show off that Stadium to the Rugby world fraternity?
The largest capacity in The West is likely to be McHale Park for a long time. I seem to remember a very quiet, non-attention seeking Minister from that part of the world (what happened him?) doing the deals for the TDF and the Ryder Cup. Maybe he could do one last deal before he gets run out of town?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
The final would be in Croke Park and sure what GAA person would not want to show off that Stadium to the Rugby world fraternity?
where can I vote?
Quote from: muppet on December 04, 2014, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
Well, seeing there are feck all 'Major' Rugby nations there's a good chance we could nail it! Belfast, Limerick, Dublin, Cork and possibly Galway have (or will have by then) suitable stadia. A Small country like Ireland would suit a 'smaller' Tournament. As usual the application will depend on the GAA. And in fairness there should be no bother there. It will be in the Autumn, off season for GAA and there could be a couple of quid to be made. The final would be in Croke Park and sure what GAA person would not want to show off that Stadium to the Rugby world fraternity?
The largest capacity in The West is likely to be McHale Park for a long time. I seem to remember a very quiet, non-attention seeking Minister from that part of the world (what happened him?) doing the deals for the TDF and the Ryder Cup. Maybe he could do one last deal before he gets run out of town?
Would love to see it but Galway City has better infrastructure to deal with games compared to Castlebar.
The last few Rugby World Cups have started in mid September so Croke Park would be out of bounds in the early stages
Hopefully we will not allow them next or near any of our grounds. Let them build their own.
Good lad Raven. And while we're at it, let's build a couple of white elephant GAA stadiums to open that September, just so we can rub their noses in it fully.
Let's back the ban too. That was great fun.
Quote from: dec on December 04, 2014, 09:07:41 PM
The last few Rugby World Cups have started in mid September so Croke Park would be out of bounds in the early stages
Not if we bring the AI finals forward to August which seems to be on the cards in the overall review of fixtures.
Quote from: The Raven on December 04, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
Hopefully we will not allow them next or near any of our grounds. Let them build their own.
::)
Keep all those foreign bastards out too. Coming over here booking up our hotels and spending their money on our over-priced food and drink.
Quote from: The Raven on December 04, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
Hopefully we will not allow them next or near any of our grounds. Let them build their own.
Exactly. Was a mistake to let them in the last time. Shouldn't encourage a repeat.
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: The Raven on December 04, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
Hopefully we will not allow them next or near any of our grounds. Let them build their own.
Exactly. Was a mistake to let them in the last time. Shouldn't encourage a repeat.
;D ;D ;D
Do you think there would even be talk of a bid if that wasn't already a done deal?
Quote from: muppet on December 04, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: The Raven on December 04, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
Hopefully we will not allow them next or near any of our grounds. Let them build their own.
Exactly. Was a mistake to let them in the last time. Shouldn't encourage a repeat.
;D ;D ;D
Do you think there would even be talk of a bid if that wasn't already a done deal?
This is ireland remember. There's plenty of gobsheens who will talk a big game with absolutely no plan behind it.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 04, 2014, 09:55:19 PM
Good lad Raven. And while we're at it, let's build a couple of white elephant GAA stadiums to open that September, just so we can rub their noses in it fully.
Let's back the ban too. That was great fun.
You know what bringing back the ban would be good idea.
Here's something I did out a year ago about how a potential hosting might work in practice:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1siupu8
Quote from: Sidney on December 04, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
Here's something I did out a year ago about how a potential hosting might work in practice:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1siupu8
Seating isn't such a huge deal for rugby. New Zealand used venues with a decent amount of standing areas.
Media facilities would be an important factor with several broadcasters wanting to cover the games simultaneously. Venues like Nowlan Park would be archaic in that regard, but 9 years is a long time to get that right.
Also, the capacity and location won't matter so much for the mickey mouse ties which won't bring a large travelling support. The mythical Georgia vs. Namibia tie.
It depends how determined the IRFU would be to use their own venues. They may see this as a chance to upgrade places like Musgrave Park and Galway Greyhound track.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 05, 2014, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: Sidney on December 04, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
Here's something I did out a year ago about how a potential hosting might work in practice:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1siupu8
Seating isn't such a huge deal for rugby. New Zealand used venues with a decent amount of standing areas.
Media facilities would be an important factor with several broadcasters wanting to cover the games simultaneously. Venues like Nowlan Park would be archaic in that regard, but 9 years is a long time to get that right.
Also, the capacity and location won't matter so much for the mickey mouse ties which won't bring a large travelling support. The mythical Georgia vs. Namibia tie.
It depends how determined the IRFU would be to use their own venues. They may see this as a chance to upgrade places like Musgrave Park and Galway Greyhound track.
Connacht Rugby are only tenants in the Sportsground in Galway so cant see how the IRFU would redevelop there, if the IGB had a pot to piss in they would be out on there ear as well.
Musgrave Park is already being redeveloped, but I doubt they'll do much more to it. Unlike the GAA I don't think the IRFU want two relatively huge stadia in Munster.
Quote from: muppet on December 04, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
Do you think there would even be talk of a bid if that wasn't already a done deal?
That's what Peter Aiken thought.
Going on the last world cup in New Zealand they used 12 stadiums in 12 different cities/town across the country. Average capacity roughly 28000.
In terms of stadiums Ireland has more that enough. However I'm not sure if we would be able to get an even spread of stadiums across the country and the majority of the GAA stadiums in Ireland are still terraced which may be an issue.
That being said if Casement park and Páirc Uí Chaoimh are sorted by 2023 that would be big boost and I'm sure some of the terraces in current GAA grounds could have seating installed. Could also potentially use venues outside of the county like Millennium Stadium and Murrayfield (England are staging games in Cardiff for next years world cup and France also availed of the Millennium Stadium during the 2007 world cup).
If the bid is well planned and managed well we are in with a shout, would personally love to see it happening!
Quote from: fatdog on December 05, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
Going on the last world cup in New Zealand they used 12 stadiums in 12 different cities/town across the country. Average capacity roughly 28000.
In terms of stadiums Ireland has more that enough. However I'm not sure if we would be able to get an even spread of stadiums across the country and the majority of the GAA stadiums in Ireland are still terraced which may be an issue.
That being said if Casement park and Páirc Uí Chaoimh are sorted by 2023 that would be big boost and I'm sure some of the terraces in current GAA grounds could have seating installed. Could also potentially use venues outside of the county like Millennium Stadium and Murrayfield (England are staging games in Cardiff for next years world cup and France also availed of the Millennium Stadium during the 2007 world cup).
If the bid is well planned and managed well we are in with a shout, would personally love to see it happening!
Croke park and Lansdowne
Ravenhill and Casement
Clones and McHale?
Salthill and ?
Thomond & Parc Ui Caomhe
Nowlan & Wexford park
Quote from: LeoMc on December 05, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: fatdog on December 05, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
Going on the last world cup in New Zealand they used 12 stadiums in 12 different cities/town across the country. Average capacity roughly 28000.
In terms of stadiums Ireland has more that enough. However I'm not sure if we would be able to get an even spread of stadiums across the country and the majority of the GAA stadiums in Ireland are still terraced which may be an issue.
That being said if Casement park and Páirc Uí Chaoimh are sorted by 2023 that would be big boost and I'm sure some of the terraces in current GAA grounds could have seating installed. Could also potentially use venues outside of the county like Millennium Stadium and Murrayfield (England are staging games in Cardiff for next years world cup and France also availed of the Millennium Stadium during the 2007 world cup).
If the bid is well planned and managed well we are in with a shout, would personally love to see it happening!
Croke park and Lansdowne
Ravenhill and Casement
Clones and McHale?
Salthill and ?
Thomond & Parc Ui Caomhe
Nowlan & Wexford park
This should be a more realistic list of 12 stadiums for the rugby bid to use.
Aviva Stadium
Thomand Park
Windsor Park
RDS
Kingspan Belfast
Dalymount Park
Malahide Cricket Ground
Tolka Park
Musgrave Park
Dubarry Park Athlone
Showgrounds Newry
Donnybrook
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 05, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
Musgrave Park is already being redeveloped, but I doubt they'll do much more to it. Unlike the GAA I don't think the IRFU want two relatively huge stadia in Munster.
How many large stadia are in Munster GAA already?
Pairc Ui Caoimh, Semple, Fitzgerald Stadium, Gaelic Grounds... 4 is a fair amount for such a small area!
Government i.e. taxpayers underwriting this for up to €120 million apparently.
I'm also very skeptical about all those claims about events like World Cups and Olympics being worth huge massive amounts of money to host countries.
In terms of tourists visiting from overseas I can definitely see a decent number of folk travelling to Ireland for a rugby World Cup. However I would be shocked if a lot of these folk didn't end up causing a serious amount of cannibalisation of the 6Nations in the years before and after with folk from France, England, Scotland,Italy and Wales skipping visiting Dublin around for Ireland home games in those years for a trip to the World Cup. I'd also be wary of other tourists staying away from Ireland during the course of the world cup for fear of increased prices and crowds.
The English are paying the IRB/World Rugby £80m for the "privilege" of hosting the 2015 RWC and as a result the ticket prices are seriously tasty. Cheapest category ticket for pool games New Zealand was under €5 while the cost for the same category in England 2015 is €19.
Also the only place that can hold the semi-finals and finals are the Croke Park as the stadium needs to have a capacity for 60,000 which will be a bit weird.
I'd really like to see pretty detailed work on the financial estimates that are underlying the whole thing - if I had to guess right now I would guess that a lot of taxpayers money will end up getting spent on making stadiums fancier and that the benefit to the economy will be a lot less than the optimistic consultant's reports..
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
I don't buy that. The GAA should be confident enough in our Sport and its participation rates that we shouldn't look on something like this so negatively.
I can't see us hosting the Rugby World Cup having any kind of detrimental effect on the GAA!
I don't like Rugby, hate it with a passion in fact and would never watch a game of it but something like this would be fantastic for the country in more ways than one. I hope they succeed in getting it.
Why is it only GAA people who bang on about being in competition with other organisations? I never hear soccer or Rugby people talk that way.
It was the same aul shite talk when then opened up Croke Park to soccer and Rugby.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
If it would weaken Kilkenny I think it would be well worth it
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
What about the money the GAA would have to get to bring some grounds up to standard? That could be a positive legacy for the GAA for many years to come.
Agree, there's no downside for the GAA here and I hope it comes to pass.
Quote from: screenexile on December 05, 2014, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
I don't buy that. The GAA should be confident enough in our Sport and its participation rates that we shouldn't look on something like this so negatively.
I can't see us hosting the Rugby World Cup having any kind of detrimental effect on the GAA!
Quote from: laoislad on December 05, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
I don't like Rugby, hate it with a passion in fact and would never watch a game of it but something like this would be fantastic for the country in more ways than one. I hope they succeed in getting it.
Why is it only GAA people who bang on about being in competition with other organisations? I never hear soccer or Rugby people talk that way.
It was the same aul shite talk when then opened up Croke Park to soccer and Rugby.
Have to concur with both posts. I don't get this negativity/fear of other codes/games. Do we worry about Boxers winning Olympic medals? GAA's biggest enemy down the years has been emigration, not Soccer, not Rugby!
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 06, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
What about the money the GAA would have to get to bring some grounds up to standard? That could be a positive legacy for the GAA for many years to come.
That's true and I think the govt funding the gaa gets probably means they have to be seen to be supporting such a bid. This is probably one of the biggest world sporting events ireland are ever likely to host and the interest in rugby it would generate would be huge.
To think that the gaa are not in competition with soccer, rugby, etc is rubbish imo. In many parts of the country, there is absolutely no rugby played, if as a result of the wc, these kids were to start playing rugby, some of them are likely to continue playing into adulthood at the expense of playing gaa, this means less players for some clubs (potentially a major problem for small clubs) and assuming that some of these players are top players, a lower standard of football / hurling.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 06, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 06, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 05, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Would be great for tourism in ireland. From a purely GAA point of view, it would be a negative development, would give a massive boost to one of the GAA's main competitors
What about the money the GAA would have to get to bring some grounds up to standard? That could be a positive legacy for the GAA for many years to come.
That's true and I think the govt funding the gaa gets probably means they have to be seen to be supporting such a bid. This is probably one of the biggest world sporting events ireland are ever likely to host and the interest in rugby it would generate would be huge.
To think that the gaa are not in competition with soccer, rugby, etc is rubbish imo. In many parts of the country, there is absolutely no rugby played, if as a result of the wc, these kids were to start playing rugby, some of them are likely to continue playing into adulthood at the expense of playing gaa, this means less players for some clubs (potentially a major problem for small clubs) and assuming that some of these players are top players, a lower standard of football / hurling.
I doubt this tournament coming to Ireland would have any negative effect on GAA but if something like you say did happen then that would be fantastic imo.
It would give a young fella who loves and wants to play sport a choice.Rather than been forced to play a sport just because they are the only show in town he could try them all and see what he liked or what he was good at. It's not really fair to want a lad to play GAA just to keep the numbers up.
He might find he was better at Rugby or Soccer or Golf or whatever.
I come from a very strong hurling background but was never any good at it myself so I played soccer all my life because I was decent enough at it. I was lucky I had the choice in my town to play either sport. Most on my soccer team actually all played Gaa anyway.
It didn't ever stop me loving hurling or being a member of my local gaa club when I lived at home.
Anyway as I said I doubt it will or would have a negative effect anyway it's just the usual bullshite we hear from some..
Sure opening up Croke Park was going to be the death knell of the Gaa ::)
That's pretty much it. I doubt there'll be very many new clubs started in Ireland just because a tournament, already well known in Ireland, is held there. We have two great sports, brilliant facilities around the country, massive social currency and deep ties to communities across the country. We've nothing to fear and should wholeheartedly support this for many reasons.