This is going to be longwinded but this is how the Kerry Club Scene breaks down: (Open to corrections by others and AZ ;) )
Kerry is made up of 10 GAA Divisions or Districts which are based on geographical locations within the county, with 61 football Clubs some of whom may field A, B or C teams, while some of those 61 also play hurling as well and there are also 9 unique hurling clubs but I'll only focus on the football.
There are Championships and Leagues run by the elected County Board which are classed as County Competitions (but each Divisional or District will have its own elected Board who will run seperate competitions within its division, more on that later.)
The Divisions break out as follows, with each of their club teams and their 2011 County rankings which were determined many years ago while there has been many relegations and promotions since.
South Kerry
St Michael/Foilmore Senior (Ballinskelligs's St Michael and Foilmore joined forces about 20 years ago due to neither team being able to field teams, unusual in that they are not from neighbouring parishes or even close by)
Sneem/Derrynane Inter (Joined forces in 2008 as Derrynane could not field a team, have been joined underage for years)
Waterville Inter
St Mary's Inter
Skellig Rangers Inter
Valentia Junior
Dromid Junior
Renard Novice
Kenmare District
Kenmare Junior
Tuosist Junior
Kilgarvan Novice
Templenoe Novice
Mid Kerry
Laune Rangers Senior
Milltown/Castlemaine Inter (joined in the 1990's)
Keel Inter
Glenbeigh/Glencar Junior
Beaufort Junior
Cromane Junior
West Kerry
Dingle Senior
An Ghaeltacht Inter
Castlegregory Inter
Annascaul Inter
Lispole Novice
East Kerry
Legion Senior
Kilcummin Senior
Dr Crokes Senior
Gneeveguilla Senior
Rathmore Senior
Spa Inter
Glenflesk Inter
Firies
Junior
Fossa Novice
Listry Novice
Scartaglin Novice
St Kierans
Castleisland Desmonds Inter
Currow Inter
Ballymacelligot Junior
Cordal Junior
Brosna Novice
St Brendans
Ardfert Senior
St Pats Blennerville Junior
Churchill Junior
Na Gaeil Junior
Shannon Rangers
Tarbert Junior
Ballyduff Junior
Asdee Novice
Ballylongford Novice
Ballydonoghue Novice
Beale Novice
Feale Rangers
Listowel Emmets Inter
Finuge Inter
Duagh Junior
Knocknagoshel Novice
Moyvane Novice
St Senans Only Play in Divisional competions
Clonmacon Only Play in Divisional competions
Gale Rangers Only Play in Divisional competions
Knockanure Only Play in Divisional competions
Tralee District
Kerins O Rahillys Senior
Austin Stacks Senior
John Mitchels Inter
A) The championships
1) The Kerry Senior County Championship is the main competion made up of 11 Senior Clubs and 9 Divisional teams as above (Tralee District do not field a divisional team), with loser rounds and play offs with 1 Club relegation place going down to Intemediate level.
Divisional Teams however cannot be relegated but also cannot represent Kerry in the Munster Senior Club if they win, If a Divisional teams wins, the Kerry representative will be the highest finishing Club team (Previously this would have been the winners of a seperate competition , The Club Championship) If a Club team wins the County Championship they represent Kerry in Munster Senior Club Championship.
Divisional teams are made up of all non Senior Clubs within that Division or District.
Players on a Divisional team can also play with their club in the same year in one of the Intermediate, Junior or Novice Championships depending on what their club is qualified in. So you could win a Junior and Senior Championship medal in the same year !!
2) The Senior Club Championship is a seperate competion to the Senior Championship, it has 11 Senior Club team who also play in the County Championship as above. Its open to relegation to Intermediate and likewise the Intermediate champions from the previous year can play senior the following year. The Current 11 Club teams for 2011 are
St Michaels/Foilmore
Kilcummin
Dingle
Laune Rangers
Dr Crokes
Austin Stacks
Legion
Kerins O Rahillys
Ardfert
Gneeveguilla
Rathmore
3) The Intermediate Championship (16 teams), the winners represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate Club and also get promotion to Kerry Senior Club, and have an option of going to the Senior Championship on their own instead of with Divisional team the following year, with play offs for 1 team relegated to Junior. In 2011 the Intermediate will be decided by the following 16 teams:
Spa
Finuge
John Mitchels
Sneem/Derrynane
Milltown/Castlemaine
Listowel Emmets
Skellig Rangers
Keel
Waterville
Annascaul
St Marys
Castleisland Desmonds
Castlegregory
Currow
An Ghaeltacht
Glenflesk
4) Junior Championship (16 teams), winners represent Kerry in Munster Junior Club and are promoted to intermediate, play off for team relegated to Novice, 2011 is made up as:
Duagh
Valentia
Churchill
Tarbert
St Pats Blennerville
Cromane
Tuosist
Glenbeigh/Glencar
Kenmare
Ballymacelligot
Ballyduff
Beaufort
Cordal
Na Gaeil
Firies
Dromid Pearses
5) Novice Championship (14 teams), Winners are promoted to Junior
Knocknagoshel
Lispole
Kilgarvan
Asdee
Scartaglin
Moyvane
Templenoe
Ballylongford
Ballydonoghue
Renard
Beale
Brosna
Fossa
Listry
6) The County Board also runs the Senior County Leagues And junior County Leagues
For 2011 the County Leagues are as follows, 4 Divisions of 12 Teams and Division 5 of 13 teams, split North & South , which contains some B teams
County Senior league (61 teams including three B teams)
Division 1
Kerins O Rahillys
Gneeveguilla
Ardfert
Austin Stacks
Annascaul
St Michaels/Foilmore
Dingle
Laune Rangers
An Ghaeltacht
Legion
Rathmore
Dr Crokes
Division 2
Kilcummin
Skellig Rangers
Glenflesk
Milltown/Castlemaine
Castlegregory
Spa
Castleisland Desmonds
Finuge
St Marys
Kenmare
St Pats Blennerville
Listowel Emmets
Division 3
Waterville
Glenbeigh/Glencar
Tarbert
Firies
Sneem -Derrynane
Keel
John Mitchels
Dromid Pearses
Beaufort
Tuosist
Currow
Cordal
Division 4
Ballymacelligot
Scartaglin
Na Gaeil
Listry
Churchill
Duagh
Lispole
Fossa
Beale
Brosna
St Senans
Ballyduff/Templenoe
Division 5 North
Moyvane
Ballydonoghue
Dingle
Knocknagoshel
Asdee
Strand Road
Ballylongford
Division 5 South
Renard
Cromane
Ballyduff/Templenoe
Laune Rangers B
Valentia
Kilcummin B
7) County Junior leagues made up of mostly 56 B and C teams with 9 Divisions in 2010 , dont have details yet for 2011 but can see alot less teams taking part given the lack of numbers.
Junior Div 1
Currow
Austin Stacks
Kilcummin
Milltown/Castlemaine
Dr Crokes
Listowel Emmets
Rathmore
Spa
Junior Div 2
Keel
Churchill
Beaufort
Fossa
Lispole
Scartaglin
Junior Div 3
Laune Rangers C
Rathmore
Listowel Emmets
Listry
The Rock
Charlie Kerins
Rathmore C
Junior Div 4
St Michaels/Foilmore
Waterville
Dromid Pearses
Kenmare
St Marys
Sneem
Junior Div 5
Skellig Rangers
Glenbeigh/Glencar
Derrynane
Cromane
Valentia
Junior Div 6
Gneeveguilla
John Mitchels
Legion
Gaeltacht
Glenflesk
Desmonds
Junior Div 7
Ardfert
Na Gaeil
Beale
Moyvane
Tarbert
Duagh
Junior Div 8
Castlegregory
Firies
Ballymacelligot
Cordal
Annascaul
St Pats Blennerville
Junior Div 9
Ballydonoghue
St Senans
Ballylongford
Knocknagoshel
Knockanure
Clounmacon
The county Board also runs 4 extra knock out competitions for the teams who play in the Junior Leagues, The Barrett Cup, Molyneaux Cup,McElligott Cup and the Cahill Cup
8 Each Division or District will also run off its own competitions for instance in South Kerry, there is a South Kerry Championship and League, but also a South Kerry Junior Championship and league which is mainly made up of teams that can field a B team. Divisions also run their own Minor Leagues and Championships.
9) Divisional Structure also works in U21 and Minor, though the U21 only have County Championship while Minor has County League and Championship Championships
See it's all very simple !!
Ah jaysus
The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.
When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?
Kerry Mike .. it would be easier to play in all them competitions than type out all that list of yours :D
Some organisation involved there. I'd hate to see the mess some Co Boards I know of would make of running that lot.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.
When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?
TAC, Offaly has Junior B and Junior C football. Granted a lot of them are small clubs, while others are second and third teams of bigger clubs. However, the winners of Junior B does not progress into the Leinster Club. It's the same in Kerry, except Junior 'B' is called Novice.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.
When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?
On the first observation, TAC, you are correct. They play an inordinate number of games in Kerry. Especially when you factor in the divisional board competitions KM alluded to. If you are at a certain level then, you could literally be playing all year.
Of course, given the fact that Kerry are generally involved in the Championship a lot longer than Offaly for example, the clubs play a lot of their league games without the Kerry players. Also, competitions tend to run for longer. It's not unusual to see the South Kerry Championship being played after Christmas. (Stephens' Day this year I think).
If you were Killian Young, Brian Sheehan or Declan O'Sullivan, you could be playing in the following competitions. (Eliminate the representative/divisional teams as you go down the talent scale)
Kerry Seniors in Championship
Kerry Seniors in National Football League
South Kerry in Senior County Championship
Renard/Marys/Dromid in County Leagues
Renard/Marys/Dromid in Club Championships
Renard/Marys/Dromid in South Kerry Championship
Renard/Marys/Dromid in South Kerry League
On your second question, I think it was a 3 years ago or so. I'm not sure why they made the change, but I suspect it's because the County Championship is the Blue Ribband event, and a final appearance in that is worth more than winning the Club Championship. (If you were in both, and had a lad doubtful with injury, you'd be more likely to play him in the County Championship, and rest him for the Club Championship game).
KM, I think Saint Senans do play in the Novice Championship. They do this year anyway :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 14, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.
When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?
TAC, Offaly has Junior B and Junior C football. Granted a lot of them are small clubs, while others are second and third teams of bigger clubs. However, the winners of Junior B does not progress into the Leinster Club. It's the same in Kerry, except Junior 'B' is called Novice.
Didn't realise that system of having clubs operating at a level below the Junior championship was repeated in other counties. Grades like Junior B or C don't exist in Armagh, or most other Northern counties as far as I'm aware. The lowest grade would simply be Junior with Reserve or B teams playing in separate competitions.
Yeah we have Junior A (which is the grade directly below Intermediate), Junior B, Junior C in Galway also.
In fact some clubs have 2nd teams that are in the Intermediate grade, pllaying at a higher level than some clubs first teams in junior A (e.g Corofin,Salthill).
KM/AZ would you know from a junior championship perspective in Kerry - what teams would be regarded as maybe in the top 5 or 6 teams but without being a hugely stand out team such as St. Marys? My own club - who would be in the top 5 or 6 junior clubs in Galway but not particularly strong all the same - are looking to head away down that side of the country for a weekend and possibly play a game on the Saturday or Sunday and would be looking to play somebody of a reasonably similar standard. A team like Marys would be too good for them in all honesty
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.[/b]
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.
When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?
TAC sure technically in our own county you could be in division 1 and be playing in the junior champ. This year Tullysaran are playing in div 2 and are in Junior Champ.
So do we take from this that playing games of football helps you to be better at football?
QuoteKM/AZ would you know from a junior championship perspective in Kerry - what teams would be regarded as maybe in the top 5 or 6 teams but without being a hugely stand out team such as St. Marys? My own club - who would be in the top 5 or 6 junior clubs in Galway but not particularly strong all the same - are looking to head away down that side of the country for a weekend and possibly play a game on the Saturday or Sunday and would be looking to play somebody of a reasonably similar standard. A team like Marys would be too good for them in all honesty
I would go with any of the teams in Div 3 of the county league below , proabaly a step or two behind St Mary's at present.
Sneem, Waterville & Dromid all close by in South Kerry and would have played in the South Kerry Championship which was won by St Mary's a few weeks ago.
Division 3
Waterville
Glenbeigh/Glencar
Tarbert
Firies
Sneem -Derrynane
Keel
John Mitchels
Dromid Pearses
Beaufort
Tuosist
Currow
Cordal
QuoteSo do we take from this that playing games of football helps you to be better at football?
playing games of football against higher quality players and teams will help you out, but its not everything, tradition, natural skills, coaching, facilities and backup supports also help.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
QuoteSo do we take from this that playing games of football helps you to be better at football?
playing games of football against higher quality players and teams will help you out, but its not everything, tradition, natural skills, coaching, facilities and backup supports also help.
Yeah, of course you must have the other things (if you don't have tradityion you just have to make your own tradition) but games are crucial. I love the Kerry club system. Its about survival of the fittest, not protecting your own clubs narrow interests.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.
The novice c'ship is relatively recent. Before it came along those clubs played in the Junior c'ship so I can't see how removing the worst half of the junior clubs is an advantage? It's just one less round.
Also lots of other counties have a Junior B/Novice championship or even a Junior C as well making the Junior 'A' tier 3 of 5.
One county that is at a disadvantage is Cork. Their Junior grade is their 4th tier, so they end up competing against the 3rd tier from other counties in the club c'ship. They've still managed to win the All-Ireland junior club though.
Then again there must be about 60 or 70 junior football teams in Cork, 4 times that of Kerry.
We had divisional sides underage back in the day and they really improved the standard. You had to up your game to get your jersey and work even harder to retain it, it's a model system.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 15, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
So do we take from this that playing games of football helps you to be better at football?
Why oh why cant alot of managers see this very simple logic. Eloquently put Seanie.
Il be at training tonight gettin the balls ran off me
Quote from: HiMucker on February 15, 2011, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 15, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
So do we take from this that playing games of football helps you to be better at football?
Why oh why cant alot of managers see this very simple logic. Eloquently put Seanie.
Il be at training tonight gettin the balls ran off me
Me too!
One bad aspect is that if you've an 18 year old county minor from a junior/intermediate club is likely to be on 7 different teams and about 12 different competitions.
The different teams would be:
Club minor
Club U21
Club senior
Divisional minor
Divisional U21
Divisional senior
Intercounty minor
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 15, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
We had divisional sides underage back in the day and they really improved the standard. You had to up your game to get your jersey and work even harder to retain it, it's a model system.
Is Clan Braonan (sp?) gone?
QuoteThe different teams would be:
Club minor
Club U21
Club senior
Divisional minor
Divisional U21
Divisional senior
Intercounty minor
And possibly school and maybe even Kerry Vocational team too.
already you can guess who will likely win the kerry and all ireland junior next year - declan o'sullivan's dromid pearses.
Quotealready you can guess who will likely win the kerry and all ireland junior next year - declan o'sullivan's dromid pearses.
Dont think so, as they are losing alot of players this year and may even struggle to field a team.
QuoteThe novice c'ship is relatively recent. Before it came along those clubs played in the Junior c'ship so I can't see how removing the worst half of the junior clubs is an advantage? It's just one less round.
Not that recent as I have played in a Novice final back in the day many moons ago, if I remember there was a Novice B too, but it would have been a terrible slur to be classed as a Novice B team ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 15, 2011, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 15, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
We had divisional sides underage back in the day and they really improved the standard. You had to up your game to get your jersey and work even harder to retain it, it's a model system.
Is Clan Braonan (sp?) gone?
Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression AZ, Clann Bhraonain and all the other divisional sides are still going strong underage. We should introduce divisional sides for senior and maybe remove them from the minor setup, as has been said the young lads probably have enough on their plate.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 02:30:50 PM
Quotealready you can guess who will likely win the kerry and all ireland junior next year - declan o'sullivan's dromid pearses.
Dont think so, as they are losing alot of players this year and may even struggle to field a team.
I think they'll field all right, but they are losing a lot of lads through emmigration etc.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 02:35:35 PM
QuoteThe novice c'ship is relatively recent. Before it came along those clubs played in the Junior c'ship so I can't see how removing the worst half of the junior clubs is an advantage? It's just one less round.
Not that recent as I have played in a Novice final back in the day many moons ago, if I remember there was a Novice B too, but it would have been a terrible slur to be classed as a Novice B team ;)
I thought it came in in the 80s? Relatively recently for me!
It probably was the 80's come to think of it...
Amazing that...thanks Mike for sharing that
QuoteAmazing that...thanks Mike for sharing that
No Bother I must save this as the question pops up nearly every year about the Kerry format, it looks complicated but when you have played in it you understand how good a structure it is. No wonder there is a full time secretary in Kerry nowadays to run all those games. The Kerry GAA have used to produce a booklet of fixtures for years called Eolaire which was very useful , not sure if it out this year or not.
With regard to
"The Intermediate Championship (16 teams), the winners represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate Club and also get promotion to Kerry Senior Club"
Surely they only get to play in Kerry senior club if they decide to go Senior?
Also, who do Mitchels play with in the Senior c'ship?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 04:24:49 PM
QuoteAmazing that...thanks Mike for sharing that
No Bother I must save this as the question pops up nearly every year about the Kerry format, it looks complicated but when you have played in it you understand how good a structure it is. No wonder there is a full time secretary in Kerry nowadays to run all those games. The Kerry GAA have used to produce a booklet of fixtures for years called Eolaire which was very useful , not sure if it out this year or not.
We have a full time secretary in Derry as well. With roughly half the number of clubs and a shed load less of fixtures and it's still an absolute fiasco.
Quote from: Keyser soze on February 15, 2011, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 04:24:49 PM
QuoteAmazing that...thanks Mike for sharing that
No Bother I must save this as the question pops up nearly every year about the Kerry format, it looks complicated but when you have played in it you understand how good a structure it is. No wonder there is a full time secretary in Kerry nowadays to run all those games. The Kerry GAA have used to produce a booklet of fixtures for years called Eolaire which was very useful , not sure if it out this year or not.
We have a full time secretary in Derry as well. With roughly half the number of clubs and a shed load less of fixtures and it's still an absolute fiasco.
Is it after a set period of time (5 years ??) that the county secretary either stands down or gets the job as a paid position ?
That is impressive stuff, running off so many games. It can only be good, for players, playing in so many games/competitions.
KerryMike - at underage are the setups similar? Is there divisional teams/divisional cups and leagues etc?
How many games would underage players get per year?
Quote from: bailestil on February 16, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
That is impressive stuff, running off so many games. It can only be good, for players, playing in so many games/competitions.
KerryMike - at underage are the setups similar? Is there divisional teams/divisional cups and leagues etc?
How many games would underage players get per year?
Sorry to answer for KM, but yes, the underage set up would be similar. The divisional sides contest Minor and Under 21 as well. With the school's competitions as well, they can be very busy. Of course they play feck all hurling down there, so that helps give them weekends for all the games.
Would you say the league games are less competitive or is there always a battle for clubs to get promotion
Is there any stipulation as to which games county players must be available? And how many competitive games does an average club player get per year?
League games are very competitive early on in the year, but I;ve seen shocking scenes of collusion between clubs when one or the other need the points for either promotion or relegation battles :D
As for the county players, I think they are only guaranteed to be available for Club Championship and County Championship, and Divisional championship (which tend to be after the inter county season anyway)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 15, 2011, 02:30:50 PM
Quotealready you can guess who will likely win the kerry and all ireland junior next year - declan o'sullivan's dromid pearses.
Dont think so, as they are losing alot of players this year and may even struggle to field a team.
should have had money on it! dromid beat duagh (the team ziggys greencastle beat a few years back) yesterday 0-8 to 1-3.
found some highlights here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJFNC76tSIM
dont think there would be too many junior defences around the rest of the country that would handle declan o'sullivan.
Cheers for posting that, not just because of the highlights but also because it led me back to the first page which explained everything to me about Kerry's structures.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 15, 2011, 04:46:14 PM
With regard to
"The Intermediate Championship (16 teams), the winners represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate Club and also get promotion to Kerry Senior Club"
Surely they only get to play in Kerry senior club if they decide to go Senior?
Also, who do Mitchels play with in the Senior c'ship?
Mitchells play with St.Brendans in the cship