Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

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GJL

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

TheOptimist

Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

Take the blinkers off. Derry is as Irish as Donegal. The roads into Derry, Ireland's 4th city are abismal. There is a total of 0 overtaking lanes between Omagh and Derry (the main Dublin to Derry Road), and again no overtaking lane between the top of the Glenshane Pass and Drumahoe (the main Belfast to Derry road). One stretch is as necessary as the other, and it will all be done in time.

Genuinely, out of interest where are you getting your "bulk of travel" figures from?

Rois

As someone from 100m off the Strabane to Derry stretch, I'm happy enough.  I was knocked down on this part of the road as a child (not seriously hurt thankfully).  I know the whole thing is dangerous and all parts deserving of the first upgrading, but the Strabane - Derry A5 goes straight through 4 villages (Ballymagorry, Bready, Magheramason and New Buildings) with significant risk to pedestrians.  There are at least four changes to speed limits, three out of four of those villages demand a 30mph limit, which restricts traffic flow. 

Many many people commute from Strabane to Derry to work, and I know this would open up Strabane as a more attractive commuter town and maybe breathe a bit of life (and investment) back into the place.

So not everyone is unhappy with this schedule.

tiempo

Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.

LeoMc

Quote from: tiempo on January 23, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.
So if Drivers are injured near home it is their own fault, if they are injured far away from home it is the DOE's?

GJL

Quote from: tiempo on January 23, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.

Accidents will happen on roads no matter what you do. It is a matter of reducing the chances of them. Accidents were a plenty on the A4 Ballygawley to Dungannon road before it was ungraded to dual carriage way. Numerous fatalities every year. In the approximately 10 years since the upgrade there has been one that I know of.

The A5 in it's current state is designed for about a 5th of the volume that is currently on it. It is totally unfit for purpose and people are dying because of it.

Keyser soze

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

Are you saying that your list was the original chronological sequence for the development of the A5? Where did you get this information?

What evidence do you have that this [emboldened sentence] actually happened? Or that it was connected to SF 'trying to buy votes' in Foyle.

seafoid

Oglaigh na hEireann have joined the ceasefire. Might as well let the demographics do the work.

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"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

tiempo

Quote from: LeoMc on January 23, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 23, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.
So if Drivers are injured near home it is their own fault, if they are injured far away from home it is the DOE's?

I don't think so, what do you reckon?

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

Are you saying that your list was the original chronological sequence for the development of the A5? Where did you get this information?

What evidence do you have that this [emboldened sentence] actually happened? Or that it was connected to SF 'trying to buy votes' in Foyle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-34409959

Then take a read at the appropriate section of the Fresh Start Agreement where it is stated that the first phase would now be  Derry-Strabane which was contrary to the original plan in which two sections would be built together.  The West Tyrone section was dumped in favour of the Foyle section despite the logic in the sequencing.

BTW if you want to know anything about roads construction and planning in N.Ireland take a look at this excellent site:

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/roads/index.html


Owen Brannigan

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Quote from: tiempo on January 23, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 23, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 23, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 22, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 22, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on January 22, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.

The is a regular mobile speed camera on four main points on the A5 Ballygawley to Omagh where so many lives have been lost compared to any other section.  At the top of the first hill from the roundabout, at Garvaghey pointing out of the 50 mph zone towards Ballygawley, outside the Orange Hall about 0.5 mile on the Omagh side of Garvaghey pointing toward Omagh and on the overtaking section about 2 mile out of Omagh and facing towards Omagh.  With so much cross border traffic it misses most of the speeders who are travelling to and from Donegal.

The problem with this section of the road is the volume of the traffic, I used to live on it and it ran night and day.  The mix of traffic with commercial vehicle holding up cars and the number of tractors refusing to pull in to let other traffic past produces high levels of frustration.

Check out this very sad map:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/d/viewer?mid=1rO-EuNnRhiTc8-cSepkXXgx4fjk&ll=54.70424892116435%2C-7.226300250000008&z=9

I think the map shows which sections of the A5 should be built first and why the Anti A5 Alliance need to go away.

balladmaker

Michelle O'Neill ... what's the story with her ... maybe I've missed her but she seems to be largely invisible in the north.  When SF need a competent speaker, John O'Dowd is put forward, not Michelle.

Now Michelle seems to be a shoe in for SF Vice President.  What am I missing about her?

armaghniac

Quote from: balladmaker on January 25, 2018, 12:17:48 AM
Michelle O'Neill ... what's the story with her ... maybe I've missed her but she seems to be largely invisible in the north.  When SF need a competent speaker, John O'Dowd is put forward, not Michelle.

Now Michelle seems to be a shoe in for SF Vice President.  What am I missing about her?

She is going to be Vice President because of her address, several 26 county folks are more able.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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Can people in Donegal confirm that the Irish economy is going ok

The best cure for Donegal's economic problems is SFs other project of uniting Ireland.

I would imagine the completion of the A5 project would be of great benefit to Donegal and the North West in general. Sinn Fein have been a bit quiet on this. Should have been finished by now....

Given that the Strabane-Lifford bridge is the gateway to the A5 route to Monaghan and SF shifted the initial works to Derry Strabane which has the low through flow of traffic just to buy votes in Foyle would be enough to keep them quiet.  Not sure why the Donegal TDs haven't been making much noise given that RoI money is essential to the project and the building of the least used part of the road from Strabane to Derry and the section with the highest traffic flow between Strabane and Omagh won't be built until the other two sections are completed and the by-pass of the main bottleneck in Omagh will be the last piece to be built many years into the future.

When did this happen and what SF person made this decision?

The original scheme was:
Ballygawley to Omagh
Strabane to Derry
Omagh to Strabane
Ballygawley to Aughnacloy

After the mess up with the environmental surveys under Danny Kennedy, the project went into abeyance while all matters were resolved.  SF in West Tyrone ran the A5 Action campaign to force the project back on track but when the PoG was agreed between DUP and SF partners in government, M McGuinness insisted as part of this negotiation that the A5 project would begin with Derry-Strabane and the incoming Infrastructure Minister carried out this requirement. 

The route required for a Donegal-Monaghan connector is Aughnacloy to Strabane hence RoI government providing 75m over three years to have the project continuing.  The bulk of the traffic is on this route and a much lower level is on the Strabane-Derry route.  The next logical step to bringing industry and employment to the West is to continue the dual carriageway from Ballygawley to Omagh, then Omagh to Strabane with Strabane to Derry.  Step by step the infrastructure would move forward into the west and onto the Donegal hinterland.

That seems far too much like common sense ::)

It really is a disgrace this is not already complete. A local woman was involved in an accident last weekend between Ballygawley and Omagh and has suffered very serious injuries as a result.

To what extent are drivers responsible for the accidents on these roads?
If accidents involve locals who are well aware of the pitfalls then surely their driving behaviours are open to question, were they driving to the letter of the law, adjusted for inclement weather?
If accidents involve those not familiar with the roads what signage is in place in certain areas to affect driving behaviours?
How many speed cameras are there on these roads, a good deterrent as a fine, points and higher insurance premium usually enough to make most people slow down.

The is a regular mobile speed camera on four main points on the A5 Ballygawley to Omagh where so many lives have been lost compared to any other section.  At the top of the first hill from the roundabout, at Garvaghey pointing out of the 50 mph zone towards Ballygawley, outside the Orange Hall about 0.5 mile on the Omagh side of Garvaghey pointing toward Omagh and on the overtaking section about 2 mile out of Omagh and facing towards Omagh.  With so much cross border traffic it misses most of the speeders who are travelling to and from Donegal.

The problem with this section of the road is the volume of the traffic, I used to live on it and it ran night and day.  The mix of traffic with commercial vehicle holding up cars and the number of tractors refusing to pull in to let other traffic past produces high levels of frustration.

Check out this very sad map:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/d/viewer?mid=1rO-EuNnRhiTc8-cSepkXXgx4fjk&ll=54.70424892116435%2C-7.226300250000008&z=9

I think the map shows which sections of the A5 should be built first and why the Anti A5 Alliance need to go away.
The rate of road deaths in Donegal is the highest in the 26 counties. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2018, 12:33:45 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 25, 2018, 12:17:48 AM
Michelle O'Neill ... what's the story with her ... maybe I've missed her but she seems to be largely invisible in the north.  When SF need a competent speaker, John O'Dowd is put forward, not Michelle.

Now Michelle seems to be a shoe in for SF Vice President.  What am I missing about her?

She is going to be Vice President because of her address, several 26 county folks are more able.
Would SF not have more voters in the north?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU