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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #5955 on: January 15, 2019, 10:19:13 PM »
May hasn’t been inept.

She has never, never has a hand to play here.

She has been completely inept.

Should have established a cross-party committee that performed the negotiations, with numerous visits back to the westminster with indicative votes on key issues to ensure they were following consensus on negotiation.

At each point, if they hit a deadlock on something the EU wouldn't agree with and Westminster wouldn't agree without - then the question is asked (i)leave with no deal, (ii)accept this compromise, (iii)don't leave - as either a vote in Westminster or a referendum.


She's a wannabe dictator. Don't forget - parliament had to fight hard just to get this vote, the Scots had to fight the govt to even get a ruling on whether Article 50 could be revoked, when it was clear she was losing this vote, she delayed to raise the brinkmanship, the speaker had to impose a 3 day turnaround otherwise another 3 weeks would have been wasted as she raised the stakes ever higher hoping the other side would blink first.

If May had her way - this would all have been negotiated in secret and without anyone having any visibility never mind say until it was all signed off and law.
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« Reply #5956 on: January 15, 2019, 10:25:19 PM »
Should have established a cross-party committee that performed the negotiations, with numerous visits back to the westminster with indicative votes on key issues to ensure they were following consensus on negotiation.

If she did that, the hardline Tory Brexiteers would have made her life hell.

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« Reply #5957 on: January 15, 2019, 10:34:59 PM »
if Sinn Fein had taken their seats..she would have only lost by 223 votes!!
Nevertheless Sinn Fein should have held an emergency Ard Fheis to end the policy of abstention at westminister  for a meaningless voting intervention, irretrievably splitting the party, yet another schism over abstention. just how many splits on that issue since the 1900s?

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Split sinn Fein? Fairly low chance of that me thinks no matter what ye do

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« Reply #5958 on: January 15, 2019, 10:44:55 PM »
Suppose May wins the no confidence vote and turns around and puts deferring Article 50 pending the result of a 2nd referendum to the House of Commons? She'd win the vote and the British people could vote again with a clear idea of what they're voting for - a no deal Brexit.
But why should a no deal Brexit be on the ballot paper in a second referendum and May's deal not?

A no deal Brexit has far less Commons support than May's deal.

In terms of a second referendum, May's deal being routed in parliament is basically irrelevant, because the whole point of a referendum is to render parliament irrelevant.

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« Reply #5959 on: January 15, 2019, 11:40:36 PM »
if Sinn Fein had taken their seats..she would have only lost by 223 votes!!
Nevertheless Sinn Fein should have held an emergency Ard Fheis to end the policy of abstention at westminister  for a meaningless voting intervention, irretrievably splitting the party, yet another schism over abstention. just how many splits on that issue since the 1900s?

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They’d definitely count in tomorrow’s vote!!

It’s only our economic and political future though no biggie . . .

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« Reply #5960 on: January 15, 2019, 11:53:02 PM »
My own 2 quids worth tells me something’s up... how is sterling rallying in the face of all this chaos??

I reckon it’s the fact no deal looks to be completely off the table at this stage that has caused it but there are still some stormy waters depending on what happens tomorrow night. A general election, deal, extension and a people’s vote are very realistic options still but tomorrow night and the weekend will tell a tale... it’s hard to not watch the coverage I wish I could just switch it off but there’s too much mad/unprecedented shit going on!!

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« Reply #5961 on: Today at 12:07:37 AM »
My own 2 quids worth tells me something’s up... how is sterling rallying in the face of all this chaos??

I reckon it’s the fact no deal looks to be completely off the table at this stage that has caused it but there are still some stormy waters depending on what happens tomorrow night. A general election, deal, extension and a people’s vote are very realistic options still but tomorrow night and the weekend will tell a tale... it’s hard to not watch the coverage I wish I could just switch it off but there’s too much mad/unprecedented shit going on!!
I don't see a general election before March 29th as a realistic possibility.

The UK cannot unilaterally extend Article 50. They can unilaterally withdraw it however, which is definitely a possibility.

An extension to Article 50 would likely depend on there being a second referendum. There's a lot of talk about a second referendum, but I'm not at all convinced it will happen.

So I think no deal is still a live possibility because there has to be a major material change in circumstances for it to be avoided.


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« Reply #5962 on: Today at 12:19:59 AM »
Corbyn has been gearing up for this since the start which is part of the reason they weren't offering any alternatives. He has wanted to force a GE but it would be a big surprise if any Tory would rather have a GE and potentially Corbyn in power than a lame duck May. They keep saying that they are against No Deal but they are rapidly running out of time. What a shambles.