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another player walks away from senior panel?..

Make sure and don't mention the name anyway 

What is the point in posts like that?

What do you want him to do?
Invade Israel?

So you're saying there's no options open to him that fall somewhere in between doing f**k all and invading Israel?

Yeah you don't post about other things. Even other things that have an infinitely bigger impact on the public purse than immigration. Yet, still all you want to talk about is immigration. Why is that?

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........

Well as far as I can tell, you have never once mentioned the subject of tax evasion by our non-dom superwealthy. Not once have you blamed such tax evasion for the lack of additional funding available to health/education etc. You have only ever wanted to blame it (and everything else) on immigration, and to post obsessively about that.

we just happen to be discussing immigration

I'm also trying to discuss tax evasion, but you've made it abundantly clear that you're not willing or interested enough to get involved. You only want to talk about those pesky immigrants. Which tells a lot about how genuine your claims are to be only motivated by concern for the money that should be available to help those "disabled kids in hospital". It's almost as though your distate for immigrants is motivated by...something else.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........

Well as far as I can tell, you have never once mentioned the subject of tax evasion by our non-dom superwealthy. Not once have you blamed such tax evasion for the lack of additional funding available to health/education etc. You have only ever wanted to blame it (and everything else) on immigration, and to post obsessively about that.

we just happen to be discussing immigration

I'm also trying to discuss tax evasion, but you've made it abundantly clear that you're not willing or interested enough to get involved. You only want to talk about those pesky immigrants. Which tells a lot about how genuine your claims are to be only motivated by concern for the money that should be available to help those "disabled kids in hospital".

But you are only ever animated by the immigration bit. The bit that doesn't cost us as anywhere even close to what our 10,000 non-dom millionaires and billionaires cost the public purse in tax evasion annually.

Why are you only worried, only vocal, only outraged about the immigration bit? The bit that isn't costing us as much?

You don't have to answer that by the way. I think we all know why.

So if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?

Hear hear... is a very useful distraction used by FG and Tories from those other more pressing issues

Seeing millions being spent on housing refugees etc is bound to (rightly or wrongly) piss people off when they can see the state of things like the roads, hospitals, schools etc. low hanging fruit for a protest vote.

Screaming far right doesn't help.

Hospitals have been a shambles long before a refugee was about the place. If you blame hospital issues on refugees it's as simple as this, you are a racist.

And we were told that there was no money to fix hospitals..........and yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

There's towns and villages that don't have a single Guard-and yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

38000 people have been waiting for more than 18 months for a scan yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

10,000 disabled kids have been waiting for more than a year to get an appt to see a specialist and yet we somehow have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

People are rightly outraged and it has shag all to do with racism

Thanks for demonstrating my point for me. Not once there did you reference, for example, tax evasion by the super wealthy. Why aren't you vehemently posting your outrage about how maybe those "10,000 disabled kids" might have a better chance if the government would crack down on tax evasion? The amount that would save would dwarf what is spent on immigrants. Think of the billions that would be available to improve the the health service etc.

But no..

It's ALL the fault of those bloody immigrants!!!!


Like I keep saying. It's either stupidity, or racism and stupidity.

So if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?

Whitey, why aren't you more concerned about tax evasion by the super wealthy than you are about immigrants, if concern for the public purse is your genuine motivation, rather than just, ya know...racism?

Who said I'm not concerned about it?

Last time I checked you can be concerned about more than one thing at the same time

Keep banging that racism drum instead of addressing legitimate concerns and you'll see what happens. The govt got a sneak preview as to what coming with the recent referendum debacle

Well your history of posting to this board suggests it isn't a matter of concern at all. You seem to be infinitely more exercised about immigration. If your reason for "legitimate concern" around immigration is down to what you perceive it costs the public purse (as you have claimed) then why aren't you at least as vocal about tax evasion, given its surely a much bigger cost to the public purse?

I mean, I don't know anyone who gets up in the morning and is inhibited in any way during their daily life by the presence of an immigrant. I know countless people who on a daily basis struggle to pay their energy bills though. I'd imagine most people would say the same about the people they know. So I'd find it very odd if any of those people were more passionate  about immigration as a political priority than they are about things like the cost of living or any of the other issues that directly impact their own standard of living every day. The only explanations I can think of is that they are too stupid to know they are being manipulated, or just racism (which may as well be a byword for stupidity).

Whitey, why aren't you more concerned about tax evasion by the super wealthy than you are about immigrants, if concern for the public purse is your genuine motivation, rather than just, ya know...racism?

Immigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?

People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

Way to not answer the question, Whitey.

Immigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?

If you're the sort of person for whom immigration is more imporant than healthcare, taxation, education, housing, the cost of living, then you're too f**king stupid to see how you're being manipulated.

Immigration affects health, education and housing.

If you cant afford to full your oil tank, or if you cant access a GP, and your first thought is to blame immigrants, then, again, you're either stupid, or racist and stupid.

Unfortunately theres a fair chunk of ordinary people with genuine concerns about immigration (fair few there will be a small bit racist too I'll admit) but they're by no stretch far right looneys. The danger is the far right looneys who are probably 0.001% can appeal to that more moderate chunk who have been let down the major parties and feel like they've no choice.

If you are looking at the next election with your main focus being on immigration, then I'm afraid you are either stupid or racist (and all racists are stupid).

Interesting listening to Brolly's podcast today. He referenced a recent Ipsos research poll into people's biggest priorities in the 26 counties.

Immigration finished top at 22%!!!! To put that f**king lunacy into context, healthcare came in at 4%. Education came in at 2%. Taxes and the economy at 2%. Energy prices, which have increased by around 1,000% in the last decade at 2%.

If you're the sort of person for whom immigration is more imporant than healthcare, taxation, education, housing, the cost of living, then you're too f**king stupid to see how you're being manipulated.

Thanks for that RH. I see the odd McDowell piece in the paper, i don't frequent his website.

McDowell's claim that SF was undemocratic wasn't because she was elected unopposed though.

If you believe some puppet master told Coveney, Donohue, Humohries, McEntee etc that they were not permitted to contest the election then that would be equivalent alright. Personally I don't think Harris is controlled by shawdowy puppet master figures. I think he really wants it and will make decisions (whether good or bad) himself and for his personal agenda of what he thinks would be successful. And he has persuaded most of his elected parliamentary colleagues to side with him. The other potential contenders were either not interested (SC and PD) or knew they would lose (everyone else).

Here's some of what McDowell said about SF (from the 2019 article that was linked):

I think Sinn Féin is still an undemocratic, marxist movement masquerading as a conventional political party. Most of its members are probably unaware of its true nature.

Let me pose two questions.

Why did Sinn Féin recently spend a large sum sending a delegation to the inauguration of the undemocratic marxist, Nicolas Maduro, as president of Venezuela?

How precisely was Michelle O'Neill chosen to succeed Martin McGuinness as leader of Sinn Féin in the North?

In the case of Maduro, the Provisional movement have long backed communist movements in that region. They sold their weapons technology to the Farc communists in neighbouring Colombia in exchange for millions of narco-dollars. They had, despite denials, a permanent representative in Castro's Cuba. The common thread was a belief that they were and are a revolutionary movement with a marxist orientation. Readers of An Phoblacht over the years will remember the constant stream of supportive articles for marxist revolutionary groups internationally.

It should come as absolutely no surprise that the party sent a delegation to Caracas to celebrate the subversion of democracy in what used to be one to Latin America's most liberal states.

This may not lie easily with the polished, bourgeois professional image which the Party seeks to create using Mary Lou McDonald and, until recently, the urbane Peadar Tóibín.

But the truth is that Sinn Féin is rigidly controlled by a small clique of Provo veterans who are puppet-masters in what appears to be a normal democratic party.

It was they who chose Michelle O'Neill. It is they who secured the unopposed election of Mary Lou as the party's Uachtarán. It is their network of commissars who impose order and discipline on the party's members. It is they who decide on strategy. It is they who will decide if and when the party resumes participation in the NI executive.

In true marxist style, the entire party is subject to what Lenin described as "democratic centralism".

Sinn Féin members of the Oireachtas do not choose their advisors, interns or secretaries. The party commissars make those decisions. By this means all vestiges of political privacy and autonomy are absent.

We are still somewhat in the dark as to whether the party confiscates its public representatives' earnings and allowances over certain average industrial wage thresholds to apply them to party purposes under the guise of a voluntary contribution to the support of the party.

Most Sinn Féin members, elected and un-elected, are outside the loop of decision-making. I do not believe for one minute that Mary Lou or Michelle is in charge of the party rather than the old gang in the backroom of the Felons' Club on the Andersonstown Road.

If the party does not make sufficient progress at the polls, either or both of them will receive a tap on the shoulder from the Felons' Club – not from the ordinary members.

Sinn Féin is not a democratic or republican party. It remains a carefully constructed façade for a small, manipulative and undemocratic clique with very different values.

You've blown the whole thing wide open, Hound.