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Excuse the Sun headline.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/10/parents-sue-christian-school-boy-allowed-wear-dress/

This could be mistaken for a famous S Armagh town providing school clothing!

Seriously I saw this on the news last night.WTF is the world coming to? I support the parents here.

Again the Religious crusades getting carried away with themselves.

If a young lad wants to identify as a girl that's his call these parents just don't want to have an awkward conversation with their son about something they don't understand.

Suing a Primary school?? What Christian values is that particular act upholding? That's the disgusting thing in the whole story!!

Such tosh.If you're born male,you are male,as both God and nature ordained.No wonder their parents withdrew their son from this school.It only takes one or two freaks to infect a whole raft of impressionable kids.Seriously I do not know what the world is coming to.

Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.  Problem for me is more these folk that have their peculiar ways and want to flaunt them but then on the other hand when someone else voices their thoughts on it they round on them.

Quote from: screenexile on September 12, 2017, 08:11:30 AM
Again the Religious crusades getting carried away with themselves.

If a young lad wants to identify as a girl that's his call these parents just don't want to have an awkward conversation with their son about something they don't understand.

Suing a Primary school?? What Christian values is that particular act upholding? That's the disgusting thing in the whole story!!

He is 6 - his parents need a good f**king kicking, as for the parents what else can they do , money talks - sue the school hope they get a fortune.

I would generally support the right to do this but to me it's good by too far. How can a six year old have the understanding to see himself as a girl as opposed to a boy?  It's not about wearing a dress. It's more about parental responsibility. Is this a case of the parents wanted their sons wishes accepted or theirs?  Sometimes you really need to step back and take a long by hard look at things

Every Sunday my priest stands on the alter, wearing a long dress.

Did not realise he was 6 - yeah parents need to catch themselves on.

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 09:46:41 AM
Did not realise he was 6 - yeah parents need to catch themselves on.

Absolutely, both f**king sets of parents. The school has been placed in an impossible situation.

At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

Quote from: Orior on September 12, 2017, 09:42:31 AM
Every Sunday my priest stands on the alter, wearing a long dress.

No pun intended Orior... ;) ;)

I know a couple of secondary school teachers and they have had to deal with students identifying as transgender over the past few years. The unfair thing is that, with all the cutbacks to counselling services in schools in the Republic, teachers are having to deal with these issues themselves, without expert support, for them or the students.

It is a really difficult question to face. Purely from my gut, I'd like to see kids make these decisions when they are older, at least beyond the start of puberty. But I don't know enough about the issues, and I'm sure that there have been cases of gender misidentification, where, biologically, a younger child could be intrinsically female (in terms of their chromosomes) whilst being treated from birth as a boy. Sex organs are not the only signifiers of gender. Again, I'd need to do some more research, but I feel for everyone involved here. I doubt the parents of the student involved started out with the ambition of having a transgender child, given how much prejudice they could face, and as for the other parents, there is always an instinct to preserve a child for as long as possible from having to face issues of gender and sexuality.

But transgender people have always existed, they are now more visible and vocal in terms of their rights as a group, and people are going to have to deal with that.

Obviously Tony, I don't include you in "people". You, God and Nature can continue ordaining genders for people to your heart's content.

Easy solution: let kids and anybody wear what they bloody well want.

Sure the vast majority of women and girls crossdress in public, why shouldn't it be the same for males or whatever people classify themselves as.

Some people will stop at nothing to feel victimised. Going so far as to feel victimised because a six year old boy in another country wants to wear a dress is really going out of one's way to feel such.

These are generally the same people who blame actual victims, such as victims of rape, and condone racist symbolism.

Hello George Hook.

Quote from: TabClear on September 12, 2017, 10:30:01 AM

Quote from: Orior on September 12, 2017, 09:42:31 AM
Every Sunday my priest stands on the alter, wearing a long dress.

No pun intended Orior... ;) ;)

When I was getting married, my bride entered the church, saw me, saw the aisle, saw the alter, and heard a hymn and thought "I'll alter him".

She did.

Quote from: screenexile on September 12, 2017, 08:11:30 AM
Again the Religious crusades getting carried away with themselves.

If a young lad wants to identify as a girl that's his call these parents just don't want to have an awkward conversation with their son about something they don't understand.

Suing a Primary school?? What Christian values is that particular act upholding? That's the disgusting thing in the whole story!!

There are two sexes, male and female, if he has male parts he is male, simples, if he grows up and decides he wants to be female he can pay, out of his own pocket for an operation to make him appear like a woman, simples, two choices, boys wearing dresses to school is attention seeking and makes other kids uncomfortable, I wouldn't allow it, as adults making decisions on gender, hack away.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 11:37:03 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

My thoughts would be that I don't worry about telling six year old kids in the Isle of Wight what they should do. Obviously you do.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 11:43:38 AM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 11:37:03 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

My thoughts would be that I don't worry about telling six year old kids in the Isle of Wight what they should do. Obviously you do.

I don't worry about what he does, it is supposed to be a conversation, do you think it is ok that a six year old boy is allowed to go to school in a dress by his parents? I don't, I think they are setting him up for a very hard time and I further think a six year old should not have to worry about any part of his or her sexuality for years to come!

The parents have failed him completely and don't get me started on the hoors that are suing the school!

Children dictating to their parents, and telling the parents what they want. Says it all really. Who's the f**king adults here?

Could some one ask the people suing the school ask them what was jesus wearing as he went around cconverting people?

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

What was wrong with Jamine?

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 12, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
I know a couple of secondary school teachers and they have had to deal with students identifying as transgender over the past few years. The unfair thing is that, with all the cutbacks to counselling services in schools in the Republic, teachers are having to deal with these issues themselves, without expert support, for them or the students.

It is a really difficult question to face. Purely from my gut, I'd like to see kids make these decisions when they are older, at least beyond the start of puberty. But I don't know enough about the issues, and I'm sure that there have been cases of gender misidentification, where, biologically, a younger child could be intrinsically female (in terms of their chromosomes) whilst being treated from birth as a boy. Sex organs are not the only signifiers of gender. Again, I'd need to do some more research, but I feel for everyone involved here. I doubt the parents of the student involved started out with the ambition of having a transgender child, given how much prejudice they could face, and as for the other parents, there is always an instinct to preserve a child for as long as possible from having to face issues of gender and sexuality.

But transgender people have always existed, they are now more visible and vocal in terms of their rights as a group, and people are going to have to deal with that.

Obviously Tony, I don't include you in "people". You, God and Nature can continue ordaining genders for people to your heart's content.

Maybe not in this case but it might surprise you....

I posted this at lunchtime yesterday as I caught the tail end of the BBC Lunch news, I'm open to correction but I think his 'family unit' was a transgender lone parent who sent the child to school this way on purpose to highlight the issue - whatever that issue is. Again I'm not 100% sure this was the case. I did think WTF myself.

Quote from: bennydorano on September 12, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
I posted this at lunchtime yesterday as I caught the tail end of the BBC Lunch news, I'm open to correction but I think his 'family unit' was a transgender lone parent who sent the child to school this way on purpose to highlight the issue - whatever that issue is. Again I'm not 100% sure this was the case. I did think WTF myself.

If there is an angle here that suggests that the gender issues are off the parent rather than the child then that needs explored.

If the gender issues are real for the the child then let them wear the clothes.

I don't think nature (or god) ordained that we should wear clothes at all. I certainly arrived into the world in the nip

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 12:14:14 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 11:43:38 AM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 11:37:03 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

My thoughts would be that I don't worry about telling six year old kids in the Isle of Wight what they should do. Obviously you do.

I don't worry about what he does, it is supposed to be a conversation, do you think it is ok that a six year old boy is allowed to go to school in a dress by his parents? I don't, I think they are setting him up for a very hard time and I further think a six year old should not have to worry about any part of his or her sexuality for years to come!

The parents have failed him completely and don't get me started on the hoors that are suing the school!

You say you're not worried about what the child does and then immediately contradict yourself.

A dress is an item of clothing, mate. I'd advise you not to get your knickers in a twist over what clothes people wear. Girls even wear trousers now, you know.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 02:46:52 PM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 12:14:14 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 11:43:38 AM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 11:37:03 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

My thoughts would be that I don't worry about telling six year old kids in the Isle of Wight what they should do. Obviously you do.

I don't worry about what he does, it is supposed to be a conversation, do you think it is ok that a six year old boy is allowed to go to school in a dress by his parents? I don't, I think they are setting him up for a very hard time and I further think a six year old should not have to worry about any part of his or her sexuality for years to come!

The parents have failed him completely and don't get me started on the hoors that are suing the school!

You say you're not worried about what the child does and then immediately contradict yourself.

A dress is an item of clothing, mate. I'd advise you not to get your knickers in a twist over what clothes people wear. Girls even wear trousers now, you know.

Are you implying stew wears knickers?

Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2017, 03:54:23 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 02:46:52 PM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 12:14:14 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 11:43:38 AM

Quote from: stew on September 12, 2017, 11:37:03 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

Meh, John Wayne's real first name was Marion.

Jack Lynch was John Mary Lynch.

Gay Byrne is Gay Mary Byrne.

Gay, isn't it.

So the kid is six sidley! Thoughts?

My thoughts would be that I don't worry about telling six year old kids in the Isle of Wight what they should do. Obviously you do.

I don't worry about what he does, it is supposed to be a conversation, do you think it is ok that a six year old boy is allowed to go to school in a dress by his parents? I don't, I think they are setting him up for a very hard time and I further think a six year old should not have to worry about any part of his or her sexuality for years to come!

The parents have failed him completely and don't get me started on the hoors that are suing the school!

You say you're not worried about what the child does and then immediately contradict yourself.

A dress is an item of clothing, mate. I'd advise you not to get your knickers in a twist over what clothes people wear. Girls even wear trousers now, you know.

Are you implying stew wears knickers?

I'm sure Stewy can answer that one himself. But sure David Beckham used to wear his missus' knickers and I thought no less of him for it.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
Easy solution: let kids and anybody wear what they bloody well want.

Sure the vast majority of women and girls crossdress in public, why shouldn't it be the same for males or whatever people classify themselves as.

Some people will stop at nothing to feel victimised. Going so far as to feel victimised because a six year old boy in another country wants to wear a dress is really going out of one's way to feel such.

These are generally the same people who blame actual victims, such as victims of rape, and condone racist symbolism.

Hello George Hook.

Such an array of emotions just went through my head on reading this first page.

First I thought that the kid should be allowed wear what he wants, on the assumption that there's no uniform. This is nothing to do with transgenderism, just the freedom to wear whatever you feel comfortable with. The article implies transgenderism but maybe the boy just likes dresses.

Then I felt the usual rage reading Fearon's comments. I can imagine the education the kid that's being removed will get. I pity him more than anything.

Finally, a part of me wonders if the parents of the kid in the dress need to protect him more at such a young age. I mean, would he not be better not to wear the dress until he's a little older?

In summary, remove all religion from all schools. Make Sunday School available to all. Let's test that faith.

Say the kid identifies as a nudist and wants to march to school naked. That allowed now too?

Move the island to the northern end of the mainland and call the skirt a kilt.

Everyone happy.

Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

Here's that case in canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Pretty horrific what they did to him

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

I don't think there's any need to expressly tech kids at six about transgender issues. What there is a need for is to teach kids of all ages not to giving bully anyone because of how they look/dress/sounds/act etc.

Actually never mind kids, people of all ages need to be taught that, including some complete f**king muppets who fancy themselves as hilarious comedians on this board.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

Quote from: gallsman on September 13, 2017, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

I don't think there's any need to expressly tech kids at six about transgender issues. What there is a need for is to teach kids of all ages not to giving bully anyone because of how they look/dress/sounds/act etc.

Actually never mind kids, people of all ages need to be taught that, including some complete f**king muppets who fancy themselves as hilarious comedians on this board.

Take it you are referring to yourself, it amazes me the sanctimonious wankers on here who think everyone else is the problem, not them!

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:39:44 AM

Take it you are referring to yourself, it amazes me the sanctimonious w**kers on here who think everyone else is the problem, not them!

"Sanctimonious wankers who think everyone else is the problem, not them" would appear to be a very good description of the parents who removed their child from school because another child wore a dress, alright.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:50:31 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:39:44 AM

Take it you are referring to yourself, it amazes me the sanctimonious w**kers on here who think everyone else is the problem, not them!

"Sanctimonious w**kers who think everyone else is the problem, not them" would appear to be a very good description of the parents who removed their child from school because another child wore a dress, alright.

A 6 year old boy - Jesus wept.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

It's a very basic point that you obviously can't deal with.

If a boy wearing a dress is considered to be "crossdressing", isn't a girl wearing trousers "crossdressing" too?

So, why is one acceptable to you, and the other not?

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 12:12:50 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

It's a very basic point that you obviously can't deal with.

If a boy wearing a dress is considered to be "crossdressing", isn't a girl wearing trousers "crossdressing" too?

So, why is one acceptable to you, and the other not?

Trousers are not gender specific, women have been wearing them for about 100 years, most school uniforms in nursery are trousers only, and a lot of primary schools also, they are very practical attire for schools.  My question again - your point is?

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 12:12:50 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

It's a very basic point that you obviously can't deal with.

If a boy wearing a dress is considered to be "crossdressing", isn't a girl wearing trousers "crossdressing" too?

So, why is one acceptable to you, and the other not?

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A girl wearing trousers has been done for a century you clampett!

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 12:12:50 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

It's a very basic point that you obviously can't deal with.

If a boy wearing a dress is considered to be "crossdressing", isn't a girl wearing trousers "crossdressing" too?

So, why is one acceptable to you, and the other not?

Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

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Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

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Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

Quote from: gallsman on September 13, 2017, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

I don't think there's any need to expressly tech kids at six about transgender issues. What there is a need for is to teach kids of all ages not to giving bully anyone because of how they look/dress/sounds/act etc.

Actually never mind kids, people of all ages need to be taught that, including some complete f**king muppets who fancy themselves as hilarious comedians on this board.

There is already an anti-bully charter for schools but while it might reduce bullying it will never eradicate it - kids, particularly primary school kids can be cruel.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

Maybe a simple solution given the debate here about trousers being for girls as well is to stick the 6 yr old in trousers and tell him they are girls trousers, or even better go and buy him girls trousers.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:16:13 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 12:12:50 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:45:48 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 11:37:25 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 07:58:22 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 13, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Looked in depth into the transgender thing about a year ago and must say I was surprised what I found.
I initially thought it was purely a psychological thing but there appears to be a strong genetic evidence for it in id twins, (tho my own anecdotal experience of id twins has been the opposite, where twin appeared to be forging a different identity but then I dont know how they have progressed since.) There also even appear to be strong biological indicators. Certainly the medical evidence for it is quite strong especially in comparison to other identities we now take as a given.

Gender confusion often seems to manifest itself fairly early as well, so and the earlier its "practiced" the less psychological damage apparently.

A particularly tragic case of two twin boys in canada I think where one had an accident during routine male genital mutilation (known as circumcision in countries were its practiced) had to be castrated and the doctors suggested it would be best to raise him a girl. This included hormone injection everything being treated like a girl his whole life. He always thought he waa boy and ended up committing suicide as a young man. This is a single case obviously but it is indicative evidence that gender swapping is difficult to induce environmentally or physiologically

I still cant help but smirk sometimes when I see trannie out and about but I catch myself from going down the roll my eyes, passing it off as attention seeking and try to remember there is a person in there with a real struggle going on, must be fairly shit when you think about it.

This case is fairly young tho but I could not have an opinion only that you would presume the parents know their child best. I think the transgender with the transgender child mentioned was a spokesperson not the parent of the child in question. Taking the child out of school seems a bit extreme but was there also something that the child was going to be subject to discipline for calling the transgender child a boy? That also seems a bit extreme but then suing the school seems a bit mad also.
Seems like people cant take a step back, if the two sets of parents were set down and explained to each other their situations they would be able to understand each others position a lot better.

You're hole, in this age of social media, the interweb and no real rules to play by, everyone thinks they are correct and everyone should compromise for them, every tail now thinks they have the right to wag the dog, the 6 year old's parents should be told the child conforms to a male attire or expel them from the school end off, it was a council not wishing to offend a minority group that allowed the rape of kids for years.

You're obviously somebody who thought very deeply about this!

Tell me, what do you think of girls wearing trousers to school?

Very practical attire - your point?

But surely, as trousers are traditionally "male attire", girls wearing them would be "crossdressing", yes?

You are clutching at straws now kid, is that the best argument you have.

It's a very basic point that you obviously can't deal with.

If a boy wearing a dress is considered to be "crossdressing", isn't a girl wearing trousers "crossdressing" too?

So, why is one acceptable to you, and the other not?

Trousers are not gender specific, women have been wearing them for about 100 years, most school uniforms in nursery are trousers only, and a lot of primary schools also, they are very practical attire for schools.  My question again - your point is?

Dresses or skirts are not gender specific. They're pieces of cloth. Pieces of cloth cannot, by definition, be gender specific. Only culture influences that. Culture is a social construct and it never stands still, it's constantly changing, has always done so and will always do so.

Roman men wore skirts and considered trousers effeminate. High heels were originally designed for men, and many men continue to wear heels, which are commonly associated with some of the most self-consciously "macho" styles in popular culture.

And as has already been said, Roman Catholic priests wear dresses.

So basically, your notions about who should wear what are a load of nonsense and your obsession with what clothes children wear is a bit weird.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

It seems to me that the only people craving attention are the "Christian" parents who pulled their boy out of school because one of his classmates wore a particular item of clothing.

I see they were on BBC 1 the other morning.

Now that's craving attention.

The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:08 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

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Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

It seems to me that the only people craving attention are the "Christian" parents who pulled their boy out of school because one of his classmates wore a particular item of clothing.

I see they were on BBC 1 the other morning.

Now that's craving attention.

Sending your 6 year old child into school in a dress isn't craving attention!  I salute these parents for calling out the school, minorities go out of their way to cause offence and be offended and fuckwits like you play into their hands.  No 6 year old wakes up and says mummy or daddy or maddy or whomever the f**k is raising them, please can i wear a dress to school today - please!

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals? 

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Did I mention the travelling community? Gipsys?

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

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Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

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Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

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Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

I don't think there's any need to expressly tech kids at six about transgender issues. What there is a need for is to teach kids of all ages not to giving bully anyone because of how they look/dress/sounds/act etc.

Actually never mind kids, people of all ages need to be taught that, including some complete f**king muppets who fancy themselves as hilarious comedians on this board.

There is already an anti-bully charter for schools but while it might reduce bullying it will never eradicate it - kids, particularly primary school kids can be cruel.

Agree Hectic.
Does the child's welfare not include protection against bullying and getting beaten up? Surely any mental or physical damage done through mental or physical attack would be worse than curtailing their dress sense at such a young age? Especially when the child hasn't the wherewithal to defend themselves.
Live and let live is the way I see life, but in this case, the parent's have a duty of care to protect their child, which, for me, includes avoiding unnecessary provocation.

Just a thought -  my son wears GAA jerseys all the time. When he is going to visit his cousins who live near Stormont, and he is at the age where him and his cousins head off on the bikes for a few hours, do I let him wear his GAA jersey? Not a chance. Purely because I don't want him to be in situation where that Jersey may cause him trouble. It might be a small chance, but it's still a chance. And I think it is my responsibility to tell him the crack, rather than him dictate to me.
I know it is not a direct comparison, but the sentiment of avoiding unnecessary trouble is the point I am trying to make.

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Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

The question is whether a 6 year old boy should wear a dress to school. The answer is no he should not and his parents are pricks for making him.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 07:03:07 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:08 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

The question is whether a 6 year old boy should wear a dress to school. The answer is no he should not and his parents are pricks for making him.

THIS is the question I posted:

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

Its a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, then why the f**k don't you leave it alone? Those who are interested can all see your feelings on the issue from your other posts.

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 09:48:10 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 07:03:07 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:08 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

The question is whether a 6 year old boy should wear a dress to school. The answer is no he should not and his parents are pricks for making him.

THIS is the question I posted:

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

Its a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, then why the f**k don't you leave it alone? Those who are interested can all see your feelings on the issue from your other posts.

Start another topic, this one concerns attention seeking parents point scoring with a 6 year old boy. If you can't fathom that why don't you f**k off.

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 10:31:12 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 09:48:10 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 07:03:07 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:08 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

The question is whether a 6 year old boy should wear a dress to school. The answer is no he should not and his parents are pricks for making him.

THIS is the question I posted:

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

Its a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, then why the f**k don't you leave it alone? Those who are interested can all see your feelings on the issue from your other posts.

Start another topic, this one concerns attention seeking parents point scoring with a 6 year old boy. If you can't fathom that why don't you f**k off.

The question I posed related directly to the topic i.e. the other kids in the scenario.

Anything else?

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Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

Bring that dead horse to a kn**ker Sidley, hey kid, I just despise your politics, you make my skin crawl you are so far to the left, that said I believe in your right to believe in anything and everything as long as it suits your agenda, I even believe in your right to get outraged when your media masters pull your strings and invent controversy to get gimps like you going.

I am outraged that a pack of gypsys enslaved homeless people of all ages and beat the shit out of them and made over a million of their backs before getting caught! Are you outraged Sidley??? Are ya kid????

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 11:01:56 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

Bring that dead horse to a kn**ker Sidley, hey kid, I just despise your politics, you make my skin crawl you are so far to the left, that said I believe in your right to believe in anything and everything as long as it suits your agenda, I even believe in your right to get outraged when your media masters pull your strings and invent controversy to get gimps like you going.

I am outraged that a pack of gypsys enslaved homeless people of all ages and beat the shit out of them and made over a million of their backs before getting caught! Are you outraged Sidley??? Are ya kid????

I'd advise you to go and sober up somewhere, stew.

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 10:43:30 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 10:31:12 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 09:48:10 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 07:03:07 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:08 PM

Quote from: punt kick on September 13, 2017, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2017, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM

Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2017, 06:47:29 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.

Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

For the sake of argument why NOT let the kid wear a dress at home to appease his chic liberal parents and conform to normal attire during school. Oh wait that would mean they couldn't get the attention they crave.

You may (or may not) be right about the parents using their kid for a crusade. Separate argument/discussion.

Now, how about answering my question?

It can only be answered with my question, if you can't see that, that's your issue.

Only one person with vision problems here.

Whether or not these parents are trying to stir the pot using their child as a guinea pig is irrelevant to my question about whether kids should be taught that differences such as this are ok.

The former is about the method of challenging the status quo, the tactic. We can argue away about whether that tactic is appropriate, even if we agree that the status quo is deserving of challenge.

The latter is about the question of whether the status quo SHOULD be challenged. Completely separate arguments.

The question is whether a 6 year old boy should wear a dress to school. The answer is no he should not and his parents are pricks for making him.

THIS is the question I posted:

For the sake of argument, why NOT teach primary school kids that it's ok? Who is the cross dressing kid hurting?

Its a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, then why the f**k don't you leave it alone? Those who are interested can all see your feelings on the issue from your other posts.

Start another topic, this one concerns attention seeking parents point scoring with a 6 year old boy. If you can't fathom that why don't you f**k off.

The question I posed related directly to the topic i.e. the other kids in the scenario.

Anything else?

So start another thread the question here is about a boy un school in a dress due to his attention seeking chic liberal fuckwit parents.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 11:05:38 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 11:01:56 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

Bring that dead horse to a kn**ker Sidley, hey kid, I just despise your politics, you make my skin crawl you are so far to the left, that said I believe in your right to believe in anything and everything as long as it suits your agenda, I even believe in your right to get outraged when your media masters pull your strings and invent controversy to get gimps like you going.

I am outraged that a pack of gypsys enslaved homeless people of all ages and beat the shit out of them and made over a million of their backs before getting caught! Are you outraged Sidley??? Are ya kid????

I'd advise you to go and sober up somewhere, stew.

I hardly drink anymore sidley, and certainly not on a Wednesday night............................. Also I was just out of work, nice deflection by the way, answer the question big man!

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2017, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: stew on September 13, 2017, 12:45:42 PM


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?

Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?

Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

As you know full well, it's the people who use the word I objected to who use that implication, not me.

Use the word in a derogatory manner and see whether Travellers and will object to it or not.

Gordon D'Arcy did so the other day and got clamped on it by John Connors.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 10:22:26 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

As you know full well, it's the people who use the word I objected to who use that implication, not me.

Use the word in a derogatory manner and see whether Travellers and will object to it or not.

Gordon D'Arcy did so the other day and got clamped on it by John Connors.

Sid just went racist people, the lowest of the low he called the gypsies! For shame, I am appalled!

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 11:10:56 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 10:22:26 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

As you know full well, it's the people who use the word I objected to who use that implication, not me.

Use the word in a derogatory manner and see whether Travellers and will object to it or not.

Gordon D'Arcy did so the other day and got clamped on it by John Connors.

Sid just went racist people, the lowest of the low he called the gypsies! For shame, I am appalled!

The creche obviously hasn't opened yet.  ;D

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 10:22:26 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

As you know full well, it's the people who use the word I objected to who use that implication, not me.

Use the word in a derogatory manner and see whether Travellers and will object to it or not.

Gordon D'Arcy did so the other day and got clamped on it by John Connors.

As I said not wild up to speed with Irish Law and do not watch much tv or follow much news apart from the like of these boards so thanks for that info - I take it John Connors is an Irish Traveller - in a way it is a bit sad if these people have actually accepted that the term relates to them and are into monitoring how it is used rather than ignore it or point out its literal meaning.  Is there a history of Irish Travellers with this particular profession?

Amazes me all these experts on here. I doubt very much a single post has been made by anyone who has been involved in a case such as this or with any experience of a similar scenario. 
Much of what I have read here is wild surmise, possibly rooted in intolerance.
I can think of several other more dangerous influences on a young school child, academic selection at the age of 11 to name but one! But that's a whole other debate.

Quote from: outinfront on September 14, 2017, 11:37:05 AM
Amazes me all these experts on here. I doubt very much a single post has been made by anyone who has been involved in a case such as this or with any experience of a similar scenario. 
Much of what I have read here is wild surmise, possibly rooted in intolerance.
I can think of several other more dangerous influences on a young school child, academic selection at the age of 11 to name but one! But that's a whole other debate.

That's the whole point - it's not normal to send a 6 year old boy to school in a dress!

Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2017, 08:37:17 AM
Such tosh.If you're born male,you are male,as both God and nature ordained.No wonder their parents withdrew their son from this school.It only takes one or two freaks to infect a whole raft of impressionable kids.Seriously I do not know what the world is coming to.

Tony, you have your own views and that's ok. I don't agree with a lot of them, but hey it's a free world and we're all entitled to believe what we believe.

BUT, this is a 6 year old. How dare you call this child a freak! No wonder society is full of bullies when they hear sentiments like this from adults.

Quote from: outinfront on September 14, 2017, 11:37:05 AM
Amazes me all these experts on here. I doubt very much a single post has been made by anyone who has been involved in a case such as this or with any experience of a similar scenario. 
Much of what I have read here is wild surmise, possibly rooted in intolerance.
I can think of several other more dangerous influences on a young school child, academic selection at the age of 11 to name but one! But that's a whole other debate.

The child is six ffs! six!

These so called parents are to blame here, not the child, because he is 6 years of age, not 11, at 11 I could see were a child might be confused as to his or her sexuality, I cannot see that at 6 years of age.

These parents are arseholes and, in my opinion are the numpties that are suing the school because of this mess, regardless of what he wears to school he should be treated with respect and dignity, sadly he will get neither and his parents are as much to blame as the wee bastards that are inevitably going to bully him!

Tony, you have sunk to an all time low calling a 6 year old a freak because he wants to wear a dress to school, the freaks here are the parents, both sets of parents, not the child, the child is being set up to fail, and he will fail because of the likes of the parents who are suing the school because he wears a skirt, or dress or whatever.

Finally, this is the sort of gender fluid shite the left love and it is sickening, there are, and always will be either male or female, there is no other designation needed, male or female is it, if you consider yourself a male trapped in a females body you can change but ultimately, you are one or the other!

What about intersex people (used to be grouped under hermaphrodites) stew? They, for whatever reason, whether anatomical, chromosomal or otherwise, don't fit into your neat pigeon holes. Biological development is sometimes a messy thing.

Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
What about intersex people (used to be grouped under hermaphrodites) stew? They, for whatever reason, whether anatomical, chromosomal or otherwise, don't fit into your neat pigeon holes. Biological development is sometimes a messy thing.

They are entitled to be whichever they see themselves, I wouldn't wish that on anybody, that has to be unbelievably hard.

Neat pidgeon holes my arse! It is the way it is and always was, don't blame me, I helped create two females, as for the rest, not my problem.

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 12:48:15 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
What about intersex people (used to be grouped under hermaphrodites) stew? They, for whatever reason, whether anatomical, chromosomal or otherwise, don't fit into your neat pigeon holes. Biological development is sometimes a messy thing.

They are entitled to be whichever they see themselves, I wouldn't wish that on anybody, that has to be unbelievably hard.

Neat pidgeon holes my arse! It is the way it is and always was, don't blame me, I helped create two females, as for the rest, not my problem.

I'm not blaming you for anything.

I'm questioning your contention that they're either male or female when it is obviously not always that simple.

Tradition is irrelevant. Culture and knowledge evolves as formerly held norms and sacred cows are found wanting.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "not my problem" bit?

Quote from: outinfront on September 14, 2017, 11:37:05 AM
Amazes me all these experts on here. I doubt very much a single post has been made by anyone who has been involved in a case such as this or with any experience of a similar scenario. 
Much of what I have read here is wild surmise, possibly rooted in intolerance.
I can think of several other more dangerous influences on a young school child, academic selection at the age of 11 to name but one! But that's a whole other debate.

What is wrong with academic selection?  If my kids are academic I would like them to go to a Grammar School.  If they are not I would prefer they went elsewhere and focused on the subjects and skills that suit them rather than being piled in with everyone else, probably put into a lower class in the same school (that is the alternative selection) and maybe be made feel inferior simply because they are not tuned academically when in reality is will be better for them to grow up and aim for what suits their individual strengths best.

A different debate not gonna get into it. My opinion refers more to the current testing scenario and the stress it causes young children.
Back to dresses and freaks...

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not 

Stew I've reported your bigotry to the mods, as I don't think such prejudice has any place anywhere on the internet, never mind on a Gaelic discussion board!

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.  Problem for me is more these folk that have their peculiar ways and want to flaunt them but then on the other hand when someone else voices their thoughts on it they round on them.

That's what they used to say about left-handed people.

Quote from: Captain Black on September 14, 2017, 11:04:52 PM
Stew I've reported your bigotry to the mods, as I don't think such prejudice has any place anywhere on the internet, never mind on a Gaelic discussion board!

Good man Captain, you are the bigot not me, I have no time for these people based on experience, you are hating on me because of my experience with travellers? I do not know a single human being on the planet who has any time for these people! Not a f**king one.

I stand by my comments all the way, again I ask, have you ever seen a tidy gypsy camp after they have left? who has to clean their filth up after they leave and who pays for it? I guarantee your bleeding heart it is not those f**kers themselves, they are mighty people for stealing shit and enslaving the homeless whilst ruining the environment in which they lived for a couple of weeks.

I am sure that in your world travellers are all hard working, jesus loving liberals who dont send their kids out to panhandle, in my world they are absolutely and totally devoid of quality, just my experience, just my  opinion.

Quote from: red hander on September 14, 2017, 10:46:56 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not

Load of bollocks from stem to stern!

How would you understand that all 300 spartans that fought at Thermoplyae were gay? Wise up man dear, the odds of that are beyond astronomical.

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:34:50 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Your opinion of Travellers was so predictable.

You'd do well to take note of that old saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Quote from: Hectic on September 12, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Problem for me is more these folk that have their peculiar ways and want to flaunt them but then on the other hand when someone else voices their thoughts on it they round on them.

The "Christian" parents, yes?

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:29:40 AM

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:34:50 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Your opinion of Travellers was so predictable.

You'd do well to take note of that old saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Would you let one of them stay in your house for one night??? I know I wouldn't.

I love pushing your buttons siddles, you are sooooo easy )

This is a discussion forum last time I checked, if everyone acted like you all the time sid and got offended at everything when told to by popular opinion via the media, this site would die on the vine, you are a bleeding heart liberal sidley, cant you love me too????  :)

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:38:40 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:29:40 AM

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:34:50 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Your opinion of Travellers was so predictable.

You'd do well to take note of that old saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Would you let one of them stay in your house for one night??? I know I wouldn't.

I love pushing your buttons siddles, you are sooooo easy )

This is a discussion forum last time I checked, if everyone acted like you all the time sid and got offended at everything when told to by popular opinion via the media, this site would die on the vine, you are a bleeding heart liberal sidley, cant you love me too????  :)

You don't "push anybody's buttons", mate.

You're just thought of as a bigoted, racist fool.

If you still lived in Ireland you'd fit right in in the DUP.

You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Ah poor wee Sid, you know one person from a traveller background, but not a traveller - ah bless, you really are so liberal.  By the way son I wasn't objecting to the kid more his fuckwit parents for imposing their will on the lad, maybe if you stop pulling the plums of yourself and ever get a woman and have kids you will think different.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:11:18 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Ah poor wee Sid, you know one person from a traveller background, but not a traveller - ah bless, you really are so liberal.  By the way son I wasn't objecting to the kid more his fuckwit parents for imposing their will on the lad, maybe if you stop pulling the plums of yourself and ever get a woman and have kids you will think different.

The only person who wants to impose their will on a six your old child is yourself, pal.

People who do that are generally socially maladjusted freaks who can't deal with life.

You've given no indication that you're any different.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:58:03 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:38:40 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:29:40 AM

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:34:50 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Your opinion of Travellers was so predictable.

You'd do well to take note of that old saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Would you let one of them stay in your house for one night??? I know I wouldn't.

I love pushing your buttons siddles, you are sooooo easy )

This is a discussion ! Do try and keep upforum last time I checked, if everyone acted like you all the time sid and got offended at everything when told to by popular opinion via the media, this site would die on the vine, you are a bleeding heart liberal sidley, cant you love me too????  :)

You don't "push anybody's buttons", mate.

Oh sidley we both know that is a lie.

You're just thought of as a bigoted, racist fool.

I am not a racist, I simply have no use for people who beg, steal and permanently borrow shit they don't own, that pollute every area they inhabit and who are generally seen in a very poor light by all bar the stupid f**kers on the left that are apologists for them! I have not met a single one of them with an ounce of decency in them, that's nothing but personal experience and fact,

You know a former traveller, ONE former traveller, I am sure he was a great lad you had over to your home many times..Yeaahhhh.


If you still lived in Ireland you'd fit right in in the DUP.

I do live in Ireland you tit

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:29:38 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:58:03 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:38:40 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:29:40 AM

Quote from: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:34:50 PM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 AM

Quote from: Hectic on September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

I do know some yes, from my experience they are thieving, filthy feckers who never done a days work in their lives, granted my experience of them is about 25 years old, I have never had any time for them and avoid them at all cost, and will continue to do so, as for their faith? I don't see it, you seem to love them however, next time they are camping in Armagh I will let you know so you can help them clean up after themselves..............................Oh wait!

Your opinion of Travellers was so predictable.

You'd do well to take note of that old saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Would you let one of them stay in your house for one night??? I know I wouldn't.

I love pushing your buttons siddles, you are sooooo easy )

This is a discussion ! Do try and keep upforum last time I checked, if everyone acted like you all the time sid and got offended at everything when told to by popular opinion via the media, this site would die on the vine, you are a bleeding heart liberal sidley, cant you love me too????  :)

You don't "push anybody's buttons", mate.

Oh sidley we both know that is a lie.

You're just thought of as a bigoted, racist fool.

I am not a racist, I simply have no use for people who beg, steal and permanently borrow shit they don't own, that pollute every area they inhabit and who are generally seen in a very poor light by all bar the stupid f**kers on the left that are apologists for them! I have not met a single one of them with an ounce of decency in them, that's nothing but personal experience and fact,

You know a former traveller, ONE former traveller, I am sure he was a great lad you had over to your home many times..Yeaahhhh.


If you still lived in Ireland you'd fit right in in the DUP.

I do live in Ireland you tit

Arlene Foster will be delighted to hear that. I'd say you'd be great on the canvass.

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:27:22 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:11:18 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Ah poor wee Sid, you know one person from a traveller background, but not a traveller - ah bless, you really are so liberal.  By the way son I wasn't objecting to the kid more his fuckwit parents for imposing their will on the lad, maybe if you stop pulling the plums of yourself and ever get a woman and have kids you will think different.

The only person who wants to impose their will on a six your old child is yourself, pal.

People who do that are generally socially maladjusted freaks who can't deal with life.

You've given no indication that you're any different.

Poor Sid, that is some hole you are digging for yourself Kid, any chance you want to back that statement up, poor poor Sid and his mate from a traveller background.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:43:53 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:27:22 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:11:18 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Ah poor wee Sid, you know one person from a traveller background, but not a traveller - ah bless, you really are so liberal.  By the way son I wasn't objecting to the kid more his fuckwit parents for imposing their will on the lad, maybe if you stop pulling the plums of yourself and ever get a woman and have kids you will think different.

The only person who wants to impose their will on a six your old child is yourself, pal.

People who do that are generally socially maladjusted freaks who can't deal with life.

You've given no indication that you're any different.

Poor Sid, that is some hole you are digging for yourself Kid, any chance you want to back that statement up, poor poor Sid and his mate from a traveller background.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said "the only person" - there's obviously stewpid, Tony Fearon and all the other child-bullying, religious fundamentalist whack jobs too.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Em, I know it's pretty obvious you have the memory of a goldfish, but even by that standard it's pretty forgetful of you to not remember that your whole contribution to this thread has been to try and degrade people.

Nobody can degrade you, as you manage it entirely by yourself.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:45:54 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:43:53 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:27:22 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:11:18 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

Ah poor wee Sid, you know one person from a traveller background, but not a traveller - ah bless, you really are so liberal.  By the way son I wasn't objecting to the kid more his fuckwit parents for imposing their will on the lad, maybe if you stop pulling the plums of yourself and ever get a woman and have kids you will think different.

The only person who wants to impose their will on a six your old child is yourself, pal.

People who do that are generally socially maladjusted freaks who can't deal with life.

You've given no indication that you're any different.

Poor Sid, that is some hole you are digging for yourself Kid, any chance you want to back that statement up, poor poor Sid and his mate from a traveller background.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said "the only person" - there's obviously stewpid, Tony Fearon and all the other child-bullying, religious fundamentalist whack jobs too.

Again Kid - read this carefully - you mind backing up your statement in bold, else stop making a fool of yourself kid, you better run you will have missed school assembly.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:48:39 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Em, I know it's pretty obvious you have the memory of a goldfish, but even by that standard it's pretty forgetful of you to not remember that your whole contribution to this thread has been to try and degrade people.

Nobody can degrade you, as you manage it entirely by yourself.

You really are as thick as shite.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:50:01 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:48:39 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Em, I know it's pretty obvious you have the memory of a goldfish, but even by that standard it's pretty forgetful of you to not remember that your whole contribution to this thread has been to try and degrade people.

Nobody can degrade you, as you manage it entirely by yourself.

You really are as thick as shite.

Please forgive me while I pick myself up off the floor laughing at you calling anybody else thick as shite.  ;D

Not going to get involved in this tit for tat argument but have I missed something? Where is the evidence to suggest that the parents have taken this decision to cause controversy or push an agenda?

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Not going to get involved in this tit for tat argument but have I missed something? Where is the evidence to suggest that the parents have taken this decision to cause controversy or push an agenda?

Because a 6 year old boy doesn't ask mummy can he go to school in a dress.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:56:21 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:50:01 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:48:39 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Em, I know it's pretty obvious you have the memory of a goldfish, but even by that standard it's pretty forgetful of you to not remember that your whole contribution to this thread has been to try and degrade people.

Nobody can degrade you, as you manage it entirely by yourself.

You really are as thick as shite.

Please forgive me while I pick myself up off the floor laughing at you calling anybody else thick as shite.  ;D

So you are going to offer no evidence up, poor poor poor wee Sid and his friend from a traveller background.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 10:01:30 AM

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Not going to get involved in this tit for tat argument but have I missed something? Where is the evidence to suggest that the parents have taken this decision to cause controversy or push an agenda?

Because a 6 year old boy doesn't ask mummy can he go to school in a dress.

How do you know this? How do you know this isn't really difficult for the parents involved? I am not passing judgment on the decision but as far as I can see you are presuming a lot here.

I guess what I mean is it appears that all the facts are not available, nor have you any suitable experience of the issue. Therefore what you are saying is uninformed opinion, not fact.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 10:02:14 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:56:21 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:50:01 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:48:39 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 08:58:57 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
You friendly with many travellers sid? Like J70 and other chic liberals on here your rhetoric hides your own bigotry - all hollow words kid. I love Stews honesty.

I have one friend that comes from a Traveller background. Why do you ask, mate? Do you think one must have friends from a certain background to object to racist bigotry against them?

I don't have any six year old transgender friends who wear dresses, but that doesn't mean I don't object to neanderthal bigotry against them which is entirely naked, like yours.

The one thing you'll always get from me is honesty - and I honestly think you're a despicable piece of shit, who like stewpid, would fit right in in the DUP, or the TUV, or at an 11th of July bonfire with tricolours and dolls of black people on the top.

That type of "honesty" is the type of "honesty" you go in for.

OOOOH sid, You have lost the plot kid!

No one on here is bigoted against the 6 year old child, they are upset at his parents for putting him in a position were he could well be bullied, that and the fact he is a 6 year old but his liberal arsehole parents chose to use him to cause controversy.

I love when bullies like yourself try and portray themselves as having the best interests of their victims at heart.

"Just do exactly as we say, and we won't bully you!"

"We're actually looking out for your interests!"

A classic DUP position.

Whereas a bully like you tries to win an argument by name calling and trying to degrade folk, you are a lovely human being - poor poor wee Sid.

Em, I know it's pretty obvious you have the memory of a goldfish, but even by that standard it's pretty forgetful of you to not remember that your whole contribution to this thread has been to try and degrade people.

Nobody can degrade you, as you manage it entirely by yourself.

You really are as thick as shite.

Please forgive me while I pick myself up off the floor laughing at you calling anybody else thick as shite.  ;D

So you are going to offer no evidence up, poor poor poor wee Sid and his friend from a traveller background.

Read the thread back, pal, if you're able to read.

Or go to school (in a dress, if you wish). And learn to read.

I do hate to use such cliched a INTERNET barb, but when talking to somebody who is quite clearly a child one has to try and converse on their level.

Lads, I've been slack on the moderating for a good while now. Apologies for that. Sometimes it's not easy to catch up on all the nonsense that's happening on here, and live in the real world at the same time. I think it's pretty clear that the standards have dropped on here. Every post is an argument, which is fine to a certain extent, but every argument pretty quickly descends into name calling, and other petty, childish rubbish.

I have no grá for banning people on this board, but I've sent several PMs to people just on a few things, so please, just dial it back. Try and argue without name calling. Try not to write horrible crude stuff about real people, or groups of people. If you disagree on something like this particular issue here, it's easy to articulate your position without calling other posters names, or without denigrating a whole section of the community.

In short, please cop on.

Cheers.

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 10:04:19 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 10:01:30 AM

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Not going to get involved in this tit for tat argument but have I missed something? Where is the evidence to suggest that the parents have taken this decision to cause controversy or push an agenda?

Because a 6 year old boy doesn't ask mummy can he go to school in a dress.

How do you know this? How do you know this isn't really difficult for the parents involved? I am not passing judgment on the decision but as far as I can see you are presuming a lot here.

I am basing it on being a parent, firstly no 6 year old lad is going want to wear a dress to school and if he did his parents should discourage, just so the kid is not put in a situation where he is open to abuse and bullying - the parents should parent.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 10:56:00 AM

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 10:04:19 AM

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 10:01:30 AM

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Not going to get involved in this tit for tat argument but have I missed something? Where is the evidence to suggest that the parents have taken this decision to cause controversy or push an agenda?

Because a 6 year old boy doesn't ask mummy can he go to school in a dress.

How do you know this? How do you know this isn't really difficult for the parents involved? I am not passing judgment on the decision but as far as I can see you are presuming a lot here.

I am basing it on being a parent, firstly no 6 year old lad is going want to wear a dress to school and if he did his parents should discourage, just so the kid is not put in a situation where he is open to abuse and bullying - the parents should parent.

If he were my son there is not a chance in hell he would go to school in a dress even if he wanted to, that said if he wanted to dress in that way around the house I would hate it but would let him, in the hopes he would grow out of it, if he didn't he would be loved beyond measure no matter how he dressed or who he courted, that would be none of my business, all of that aside in my opinion the parents of this child we are talking about are unfit to be parents, period, end of.

The hardest part of being a parent is saying No to your child, but as the parent you have to for the good of the child, no to crap food, to dangerous situations etc. no to wearing a dress to school as a boy at 6, though I seriously doubt the parents aren't the issue here.

Ok well as I said still there is no evidence to suggest that the parents are doing this as a point scoring or trouble making exercise.
To be honest I would tend to agree with you in as far as I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my 6 yr old son to school in a dress.
But what I do disagree with you on is that the parents are using the child for their own agenda. It would appear to me that it is the Christian parents that are using the situation to make a gain, financial or otherwise.

I will leave it at that. 

Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 11:15:47 AM
Ok well as I said still there is no evidence to suggest that the parents are doing this as a point scoring or trouble making exercise.
To be honest I would tend to agree with you in as far as I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my 6 yr old son to school in a dress.
But what I do disagree with you on is that the parents are using the child for their own agenda. It would appear to me that it is the Christian parents that are using the situation to make a gain, financial or otherwise.

I will leave it at that.

The four parents are a disgrace here, the innocent in this sorry mess is the kid himself, come to think of it the Christian kid is suffering as well, great job parents.

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: red hander on September 14, 2017, 10:46:56 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not

Load of bollocks from stem to stern!

How would you understand that all 300 spartans that fought at Thermoplyae were gay? Wise up man dear, the odds of that are beyond astronomical.

I bow to your obvious expertise on the matter... me, I only have a degree in Ancient History and Classical Archaeology  ::)

Sure you have and trueblue has 5 different engineering degrees.

Wear a kilt.

The parents of this kid reminds me of all those parents who've been protesting against catholic church sponsored schools.
Being assholes for a bit of attention.
Off to your cesspit Educate Together schools with you.

Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2017, 05:16:29 PM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: red hander on September 14, 2017, 10:46:56 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not

Load of bollocks from stem to stern!

How would you understand that all 300 spartans that fought at Thermoplyae were gay? Wise up man dear, the odds of that are beyond astronomical.

I bow to your obvious expertise on the matter... me, I only have a degree in Ancient History and Classical Archaeology  ::)

Wow! And that makes you an expert on homosexual soldiers? 300 of them plus a married King, again, what are the odds of 300 homosexuals fighting to the death with nary a hetro in sight????

Catch yourself on man dear!

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:08:36 PM

Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2017, 05:16:29 PM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: red hander on September 14, 2017, 10:46:56 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not

Load of bollocks from stem to stern!

How would you understand that all 300 spartans that fought at Thermoplyae were gay? Wise up man dear, the odds of that are beyond astronomical.

I bow to your obvious expertise on the matter... me, I only have a degree in Ancient History and Classical Archaeology  ::)

Wow! And that makes you an expert on homosexual soldiers? 300 of them plus a married King, again, what are the odds of 300 homosexuals fighting to the death with nary a hetro in sight????

Catch yourself on man dear!

No, it doesn't make me an expert on homosexual soldiers, just someone with a greater knowledge of ancient history than you, for the simple reason I studied it in depth... you catch yourself on and stop being such a dickhead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-441339/The-greatest-warriors-.html

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:08:36 PM

what are the odds of 300 homosexuals fighting to the death with nary a hetro in sight????

Pretty good if there's a sale with big discounts on high heels at Brown Thomas.

Quote from: red hander on September 17, 2017, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:08:36 PM

Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2017, 05:16:29 PM

Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: red hander on September 14, 2017, 10:46:56 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 13, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
The Spartans at Thermoplyae thought they'd have the edge on the million strong Persians because they rocked up in "effeminate" trousers.

The Persians, meanwhile, were amazed the warriors as legendarily ferocious as the Spartans spent the hours before battle oiling and combing their very long hair.

No lawsuits were lodged.

Sparta was renowned throughout Ancient Greece as a hotbed of homosexuality and lesbianism. I understand that most if not all the 300 Spartans were gay, and many strapped legs together with their lover so both would fight even harder against the Persians, effeminate trousers or not

Load of bollocks from stem to stern!

How would you understand that all 300 spartans that fought at Thermoplyae were gay? Wise up man dear, the odds of that are beyond astronomical.

I bow to your obvious expertise on the matter... me, I only have a degree in Ancient History and Classical Archaeology  ::)

Wow! And that makes you an expert on homosexual soldiers? 300 of them plus a married King, again, what are the odds of 300 homosexuals fighting to the death with nary a hetro in sight????

Catch yourself on man dear!

No, it doesn't make me an expert on homosexual soldiers, just someone with a greater knowledge of ancient history than you, for the simple reason I studied it in depth... you catch yourself on and stop being such a d**khead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-441339/The-greatest-warriors-.html

Some Greek philosophers wrote on the subject of homosexuality in the military. In Plato's Symposium, the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military:[3]


... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born

However, the Symposium is a dialectical exploration of the nature of true love, in which Phaedrus' views are soon found to be inadequate compared to the transcendent vision of Socrates, who:


...seizes this favourable moment in the talk at Agathon's party to suggest that visible beauty is the most obvious and distinct reflection in our terrene life of an eternal, immutable Beauty, perceived not with the eye but with the mind. He preaches no avoidance of the contest with appetite, but rather the achievement of a definite victory over the lower elements of love-passion, and the pursuit of beauty on higher and higher levels until, as in a sudden flash, its ultimate and rewarding essence is revealed.[4]

Xenophon, while not criticizing the relationships themselves, ridiculed militaries that made them the sole basis of unit formation:


they sleep with their loved ones, yet stations them next to themselves in battle ... with them (Eleians, Thebans) it's a custom, with us a disgrace ... placing your loved one next to you seems to be a sign of distrust ... The Spartans ... make our loved ones such models of perfection that even if stationed with foreigners rather than with their lovers they are ashamed to desert their companion


You got a 3:2 right?????

Stop digging your hole ... a core facet of Spartan military training was pedaristy and homosexuality, and lesbianism was rampant among Spartan women. These were the simple points I made and which were shot down by you, not with evidence, but with outrage that such facts were possible, because it insults your sensibilities... now jog on  :-*

Quote from: red hander on September 17, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
Stop digging your hole ... a core facet of Spartan military training was pedaristy and homosexuality, and lesbianism was rampant among Spartan women. These were the simple points I made and which were shot down by you, not with evidence, but with outrage that such facts were possible, because it insults your sensibilities... now jog on  :-*

You said most if not all of the 300 were homosexual, that is not the case, I am well aware of the fact that Thebes had a lot of homosexuals in their army, your statement about the 300 is completely and utter inaccurate.

I don't give a shite if someone in the military is gay or not, I especially do not care about soldiers that died millennia ago who were gay, many gay soldiers have fought and died bravely over the centuries, so no, it does not offend my sensibilities hander, you are right about homosexuality being rampant in the Greek armies back in the day, you are completely wrong however about the three hundred, that's all I am saying.

Quote from: punt kick on September 15, 2017, 05:46:18 PM
Sure you have and trueblue has 5 different engineering degrees.

lol, Glad to see you haven't forgotten me. Wouldn't want thebigfella et al getting all your attention. But I know you've been busy.

Not as busy as yourself - reaching out to folk.  ;D ;D ;D

I know. You have all these vendetta's to keep running on Gaaboard. Full time job that.  :D

Just like calling out bullshitters.  8)

Ouch!!

How, all a sudden, do we know how many gays were at Thermopylae?

Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2017, 10:32:43 PM
How, all a sudden, do we know how many gays were at Thermopylae?

Ask the Tyronie, he is the one that claimed every one of the three hundy were gay! I shit you not!

Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2017, 10:32:43 PM
How, all a sudden, do we know how many gays were at Thermopylae?

They were seen at a local gay nightclub the night before, out for Alpheos and Drimylos' Stag.

Quote from: MoChara on September 19, 2017, 08:24:08 AM

Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2017, 10:32:43 PM
How, all a sudden, do we know how many gays were at Thermopylae?

They were seen at a local gay nightclub the night before, out for Alpheos and Drimylos' Stag.

;D ;D ;D