I want to learn how to play the guitar.
When I ask other guitarists how they learnt each and everyone of them said 'I learnt off the internet'.
Where? Anybody out there who have learnt from the internet can you post the links here?
Get a chord book from a music shop and practice strumming the main chords (i.e. majors and minors) until your fingers bleed. Then practice moving between the main chords until your fingers are worn to the bone.
Once you've done that, Youtube is full of brilliant tutorials, and any song music you want is freely available, a lot of the time with associated videos for all levels of guitarist. Honestly though, this stuff won't be any use to you until you know your chords.
I taught myself to play. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/ is a handy website for both chords and tabs for 1000's of songs. I've also found youtube can be very useful. Here's a few easy songs to get you started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M836_e2FH_0 Wonderwall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjUjxGac_0 Good Riddance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4kZYESimI&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-2r-1-HM Knockin' on Heavens Door
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/babysteps_-_the_beginners_guide_to_guitar_part_1.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/babysteps_-_the_beginners_guide_to_guitar_part_2.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/babysteps_-_the_beginners_guide_to_guitar_part_3.html
If you get through these lessons you'll be doing rightly
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 29, 2009, 12:58:06 PM
I taught myself to play. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/ is a handy website for both chords and tabs for 1000's of songs. I've also found youtube can be very useful. Here's a few easy songs to get you started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M836_e2FH_0 Wonderwall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjUjxGac_0 Good Riddance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4kZYESimI&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-2r-1-HM Knockin' on Heavens Door
i never bothered much with rhythm and chords,so i cant even play the last 2 songs.im fairly handy on the guitar,but not practisin chords has really set me back.you tube and ultimate guitar are great websites to learn how to play.
When I learned there were no Internet resouces for things like this. I'll only use ultimate guitar if there's a sequence of a song that I just can't get by ear.
The fundamental point remains that's already been made- learn your chords first, otherwise you'll get frustrated trying to learn the songs from tab either online or in books. Once the chords and their basic finger shapes become second nature, it's a little easier to throw on progressions and the little rythmn that make them into songs.
Good luck
Total Guitar - monthly magazine, also includes a CD for your computer with audio/visual content.
Learn as many of the Basic chords first then learn the simple tunes like the ones listed above. You will then move on to bar chords and progressions.
But the main thing is PRACTICE,PRACTICE and more PRACTICE.
I'm learning the guitar myself, but I am rarely near the computer, especially to sit down and learn the guitar from it. Thats why i prefer to go to an actual teacher.
Where are you from? I may know a few guitarists from around your area if you wanted to pay someone for lessons?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12103.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12103.0)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6431.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6431.0)
Lot of good sites and advice. But no shortcuts to practising.
Have been learning for a while know the main chords but struggle with strumming pattern/ rhythm any ideas on how to improve this?
Get yourself a metronome to keep time to, or play along with tracks for basic rythmn skills.
If you need to count in your head, just do it.
Once you get basic timing down you should be able to progress.
I think it's just like everything else, walk before running.
Thanks for the advice I'll keep at it!
Puck any tips for getting rid of (or at least reducing) that noise of fingers sliding up/down strings?
Muppet,
I actually hadn't noticed the squeak in years, but I was sure it still existed so I tried to run a little experiment before replying.
Sure enough, on certain runs, or chord progressions it's still there if I listen for it, but markedly different on my two guitars.
One is my performing guitar which I use weekly for 3-4 hours at a time so I guess it has more of my natural oils on the fret board and the strings, which are medium gauge d'addario exps. They are also bout 6 weeks old.
The other guitar doesn't get played too much, but it has higher action, newer less used strings, and the strings are elixers.
So, because that didn't really help I looked at some forums and the suggestions ranged from using moisturizer on your hands, and string lube on your guitar, to sliding your fingers more on their sides, as opposed to their tips.
I went back and played the same runs again and realised I do kind of release fingertip pressure onto their sides when I'm sliding, which I presume may be why I don't notice the noise so much anymore.
It's not a noise that particularly would bother me anyway, do you get it a lot?
Quote from: muppet on January 03, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
Puck any tips for getting rid of (or at least reducing) that noise of fingers sliding up/down strings?
Always been part of the sound for me!!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 04, 2010, 10:33:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 03, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
Puck any tips for getting rid of (or at least reducing) that noise of fingers sliding up/down strings?
Always been part of the sound for me!!
I think you are right - but I guess
some recording artists dont like it.
I was just listening to the blowers daughter there, and its quite frequent on that track when he slides from E-A and then from A-B.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 04, 2010, 04:17:03 AM
Muppet,
I actually hadn't noticed the squeak in years, but I was sure it still existed so I tried to run a little experiment before replying.
Sure enough, on certain runs, or chord progressions it's still there if I listen for it, but markedly different on my two guitars.
One is my performing guitar which I use weekly for 3-4 hours at a time so I guess it has more of my natural oils on the fret board and the strings, which are medium gauge d'addario exps. They are also bout 6 weeks old.
The other guitar doesn't get played too much, but it has higher action, newer less used strings, and the strings are elixers.
So, because that didn't really help I looked at some forums and the suggestions ranged from using moisturizer on your hands, and string lube on your guitar, to sliding your fingers more on their sides, as opposed to their tips.
I went back and played the same runs again and realised I do kind of release fingertip pressure onto their sides when I'm sliding, which I presume may be why I don't notice the noise so much anymore.
It's not a noise that particularly would bother me anyway, do you get it a lot?
No way am I using moisturiser after my comments on the other thread!
I get it mainly playing power chords, e.g. The White Stripes, and it is way too loud. I might try your side pressure tip.
Thats because you are playing the same finger shapes, but just moving them up and down the fretboard, but Im sure you know that.
Just lift your hands off a little bit and it should work too - or dampen the strings with the palm of your strumming hand.
I never pictured you playing power chords! Funny old thing this internet persona. :D
Quote from: Puckoon on January 05, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
Thats because you are playing the same finger shapes, but just moving them up and down the fretboard, but Im sure you know that.
Just lift your hands off a little bit and it should work too - or dampen the strings with the palm of your strumming hand.
I never pictured you playing power chords! Funny old thing this internet persona. :D
I don't normally play them but would like to be smoother. I am just about intermediate but kinda skipped most of the basics.
I picked up this little beauty from a rich kid up at lake tahoe who didnt give a damn how much he got for it.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Breedlove-Atlas-Series-Stage-BJ350-CR4-Acoustic-Electric-Bass-Guitar-500480-i1427511.gc (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Breedlove-Atlas-Series-Stage-BJ350-CR4-Acoustic-Electric-Bass-Guitar-500480-i1427511.gc)
(http://www.bigdiscountwarehouse.co.uk/images/9/bj350guitar.jpg)
One year old, barely played = he took $300 with a hardshell case included. 900$ new, so I think I got a good deal. Going to work the finger tips though.
Any bass players here? The old man just started on the upright bass - now there is an instrument!
Some of my mates learned from a site called justinguitar.com. It's supposed to be very good and the guy that runs it asks for a voluntary donation if you're happy with the site.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 03, 2010, 04:26:31 PM
Get yourself a metronome to keep time to, or play along with tracks for basic rythmn skills.
If you need to count in your head, just do it.
Once you get basic timing down you should be able to progress.
I think it's just like everything else, walk before running.
Sound advice.
My tip would be that, if there is drumming in the song, listen to the drum rhythm and strum along to that - if not, try and listen to how the guitarist is strumming on the song. For me, this is as important as learning the chords - have heard so many guys who can master the chords wreck a song by not strumming properly.
If you want, you could even buy a set of cheap bongos to play along to songs with - this will help build the rhythm in your head.
I have also found the following songs as a good starting point, both in D, with chords G and A - can post the chords up if anyone wants them.
Will ye go Lassie go
and The Man who can't be Moved by The Script
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on November 23, 2010, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 03, 2010, 04:26:31 PM
Get yourself a metronome to keep time to, or play along with tracks for basic rythmn skills.
If you need to count in your head, just do it.
Once you get basic timing down you should be able to progress.
I think it's just like everything else, walk before running.
Sound advice.
My tip would be that, if there is drumming in the song, listen to the drum rhythm and strum along to that - if not, try and listen to how the guitarist is strumming on the song. For me, this is as important as learning the chords - have heard so many guys who can master the chords wreck a song by not strumming properly.
If you want, you could even buy a set of cheap bongos to play along to songs with - this will help build the rhythm in your head.
I have also found the following songs as a good starting point, both in D, with chords G and A - can post the chords up if anyone wants them.
Will ye go Lassie go
and The Man who can't be Moved by The Script
Post the chords and strumming pattern for The man who cant be moved. Please.
Marty Schwartz on youtube can give you some helpful advice.
He's got a load of guitar lessons loaded onto his page
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on November 23, 2010, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 03, 2010, 04:26:31 PM
Get yourself a metronome to keep time to, or play along with tracks for basic rythmn skills.
If you need to count in your head, just do it.
Once you get basic timing down you should be able to progress.
I think it's just like everything else, walk before running.
Sound advice.
My tip would be that, if there is drumming in the song, listen to the drum rhythm and strum along to that - if not, try and listen to how the guitarist is strumming on the song. For me, this is as important as learning the chords - have heard so many guys who can master the chords wreck a song by not strumming properly.
If you want, you could even buy a set of cheap bongos to play along to songs with - this will help build the rhythm in your head.
I have also found the following songs as a good starting point, both in D, with chords G and A - can post the chords up if anyone wants them.
Will ye go Lassie go
and The Man who can't be Moved by The Script
The Man who can't be Moved
Please note these chords were made out for guitar beginners - a more complex tablature can be found on the likes of Ultimate Guitar
- Still sounds good
"The Man Who Can't Be Moved"
D A
Going Back to the corner where I first saw you
G A
Gonna camp in my sleeping bag I'm not gonna move
D A
Got some words on cardboard, got your picture in my hand
G A
Saying, "If you see this girl can you tell her where I am?"
D A
Some try to hand me money, they don't understand
G A
I'm not broke I'm just a broken hearted man
D A
I know it makes no sense but what else can I do
G A
How can I move on when I'm still in love with you
CHORUS
D A
'Cause if one day you wake up and find that you're missing me
G A
And your heart starts to wonder where on this earth I could be
D A
Thinkin maybe you'll come back here to the place that we'd meet
G A
And you'll see me waiting for you on our corner of the street
D A G
So I'm not moving, I'm not moving
- Strumming is one down stroke on each chord in the verse and only play another down stroke on the next chord, thus leaving a gap between the chords.
Once you reach the chorus it is normal regular 1-2-3-4 down-stroke played at the same speed as the song you know. Repeat chord pattern for rest of verses and chorus
Guitar men - a market research type question.
Suppose there was software available (running on your PC) that allowed you to take any track in your digital music selection and
- suppress the lead guitar part so that you can play it on your guitar along with the modified track (e.g. you can be Clapton playing Crossroads with Cream);
- extract the lead guitar from it to listen to it separately/play along with it, slowed down to your proficiency level while you learn, but preserving correct pitch.
Would you find a tool like that of no interest/interesting/useful/must have?
Would you pay for it?
How much would you pay for it?
Quote from: Hardy on November 23, 2010, 11:19:18 PM
Guitar men - a market research type question.
Suppose there was software available (running on your PC) that allowed you to take any track in your digital music selection and
- suppress the lead guitar part so that you can play it on your guitar along with the modified track (e.g. you can be Clapton playing Crossroads with Cream);
- extract the lead guitar from it to listen to it separately/play along with it, slowed down to your proficiency level while you learn, but preserving correct pitch.
Would you find a tool like that of no interest/interesting/useful/must have?
Would you pay for it?
How much would you pay for it?
Personally would find it useful Hardy, but would be a must have for performing musicians.
If you are asking would there be a market for this, a lot of money is spent by one/two man bands sequencing backing tracks for their performances in the local pub on a Fri/Sat night.
A lot of potential for a karaoke type program that allows guitarists go out and earn a living by themselves, definitely. That would increase the amount you could sell it for.
Quote from: Hardy on November 23, 2010, 11:19:18 PM
Guitar men - a market research type question.
Suppose there was software available (running on your PC) that allowed you to take any track in your digital music selection and
- suppress the lead guitar part so that you can play it on your guitar along with the modified track (e.g. you can be Clapton playing Crossroads with Cream);
- extract the lead guitar from it to listen to it separately/play along with it, slowed down to your proficiency level while you learn, but preserving correct pitch.
Would you find a tool like that of no interest/interesting/useful/must have?
Would you pay for it?
How much would you pay for it?
Definitely be interesting to have. Fact is you'd still have to learn the damn crossroads solo.
Quote from: Hardy on November 23, 2010, 11:19:18 PM
Guitar men - a market research type question.
Suppose there was software available (running on your PC) that allowed you to take any track in your digital music selection and
- suppress the lead guitar part so that you can play it on your guitar along with the modified track (e.g. you can be Clapton playing Crossroads with Cream);
- extract the lead guitar from it to listen to it separately/play along with it, slowed down to your proficiency level while you learn, but preserving correct pitch.
Would you find a tool like that of no interest/interesting/useful/must have?
Would you pay for it?
How much would you pay for it?
is that not something similar to the idea behind Guitar hero and all those types of games?? Are ye doing some diverisifying? Will there be a version for the Fiddle? :P
I think Hardy is suggesting a software that gives you the option for how you want to play along with a track. Either pull out the piece of interest to make learning it easier - or then pull it out of the song but the leave the song intact to see how you can play along with the song.
Guitar hero is a video game with colour coded buttons on a plastic guitar - I dont know that its anything like what he is suggesting? But then, what I know about video games you could write on the back of a stamp.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 24, 2010, 05:04:53 PM
I think Hardy is suggesting a software that gives you the option for how you want to play along with a track. Either pull out the piece of interest to make learning it easier - or then pull it out of the song but the leave the song intact to see how you can play along with the song.
Guitar hero is a video game with colour coded buttons on a plastic guitar - I dont know that its anything like what he is suggesting? But then, what I know about video games you could write on the back of a stamp.
I mean the concept moreso, the young lad loves it and it has helped him understand chords and stuff like that. It basically lets you play the lead guitar through the plastic guitar but you can't stop it etc that I know of. Obviously clever Hardy is thinking of an advanced version of the idea! But he better have the Fiddle covered!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZLw_KBdqc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZLw_KBdqc)
Are you a fiddle player BC?
Quote from: Puckoon on November 24, 2010, 05:14:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZLw_KBdqc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZLw_KBdqc)
Are you a fiddle player BC?
:D That yould be some sight alright!!! Maybe you were not around when Hardy first burst onto the GAABoard scene and took all before him out of it with his bow! Some hard he had his own channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hardyarse (http://www.youtube.com/user/Hardyarse)
Puck - I was christened Hardyarse the Fiddler; shortened it when I grew up - hence BC1's concern.
You're correct in your interpretation of what I'm describing. The unique technology is the ability to extract an instrument or vocal from a digital track or suppress it in the track. This creates an ideal tool for jam and practice. No other technology can do this. There are products that separate out the original recording tracks, but obviously you need to have the original tracks available. This does it from the raw mp3 or whatever.
The technology exists - I'm working with the people who are trying to commercialise it. We've done a fair bit of market research, but I just wanted to get the opinion of a trusted group!
BC1 - you'll be delighted to hear that it works for the fiddle as well - any instrument or vocal, in fact.
Thanks all for the input so far - any more appreciated.
Quote from: Hardy on November 24, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
Puck - I was christened Hardyarse the Fiddler; shortened it when I grew up - hence BC1's concern.
You're correct in your interpretation of what I'm describing. The unique technology is the ability to extract an instrument or vocal from a digital track or suppress it in the track. This creates an ideal tool for jam and practice. No other technology can do this. There are products that separate out the original recording tracks, but obviously you need to have the original tracks available. This does it from the raw mp3 or whatever.
The technology exists - I'm working with the people who are trying to commercialise it. We've done a fair bit of market research, but I just wanted to get the opinion of a trusted group!
BC1 - you'll be delighted to hear that it works for the fiddle as well - any instrument or vocal, in fact.
Thanks all for the input so far - any more appreciated.
I'd love something like that.
I'm thinkin of startin the guitar myself. Anyone any online links to decent places to buy? Nothing fancy, just a beginners type guitar in around about £100 would be ideal!
Quote from: screenmachine on November 26, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
I'm thinkin of startin the guitar myself. Anyone any online links to decent places to buy? Nothing fancy, just a beginners type guitar in around about £100 would be ideal!
Some great guitar deals on ebay!
Quote from: Hardy on November 24, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
Puck - I was christened Hardyarse the Fiddler; shortened it when I grew up - hence BC1's concern.
You're correct in your interpretation of what I'm describing. The unique technology is the ability to extract an instrument or vocal from a digital track or suppress it in the track. This creates an ideal tool for jam and practice. No other technology can do this. There are products that separate out the original recording tracks, but obviously you need to have the original tracks available. This does it from the raw mp3 or whatever.
The technology exists - I'm working with the people who are trying to commercialise it. We've done a fair bit of market research, but I just wanted to get the opinion of a trusted group!
BC1 - you'll be delighted to hear that it works for the fiddle as well - any instrument or vocal, in fact.
Thanks all for the input so far - any more appreciated.
id buy it if it wasnt very expensive.audacity can take the vocals out of a track,but the quality of the track is severly affected.not sure if it can do any more than that.
Quote from: screenmachine on November 26, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
I'm thinkin of startin the guitar myself. Anyone any online links to decent places to buy? Nothing fancy, just a beginners type guitar in around about £100 would be ideal!
Danny Otterson in Maghera.
Thanks for the feedback everybody. Any more appreciated.
Dougal - it can both suppress and extract vocal or instruments in a track.
Hardy, I am interested in this. There is, or at least was, a guy in City (gone) West that seems to have figured a way to seperate soundtracks like what you are saying. I subscribed to a company but it did not work out. Give us a shout next year for updates.
BTW I am currently in the middle of a project trying to get a kind of retrofit for this technology and am stuck on how the knot was tied. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD2G5LHowI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD2G5LHowI&feature=related)
Keep up the research and let us know when you are ready to launch.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 27, 2010, 10:17:09 PM
Hardy, I am interested in this. There is, or at least was, a guy in City (gone) West that seems to have figured a way to seperate soundtracks like what you are saying. I subscribed to a company but it did not work out. Give us a shout next year for updates.
BTW I am currently in the middle of a project trying to get a kind of retrofit for this technology and am stuck on how the knot was tied. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD2G5LHowI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD2G5LHowI&feature=related)
Keep up the research and let us know when you are ready to launch.
:D I'm stook as well, Bud.
I'll be in touch.
http://www.911tabs.com/link/?5847716 (http://www.911tabs.com/link/?5847716)
Paul Brady - Crazy Dreams (including intro and riff).
Is it normal to want to throw the thing out the f**king window a few times with a bloodied hand??!!
Played for an hour yesterday and half an hour today and in pain! Can't get my pinkie to hold down that shitty bottom string. AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
Learning to play the tin whistle was 20 times easier, why can't learning music just be like that?!
www.actiontab.com
Quote from: screenexile on December 25, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
Is it normal to want to throw the thing out the f**king window a few times with a bloodied hand??!!
Played for an hour yesterday and half an hour today and in pain! Can't get my pinkie to hold down that shitty bottom string. AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
Learning to play the tin whistle was 20 times easier, why can't learning music just be like that?!
It takes a while for your fingers to toughen up. It's great when you can finally get a few chords of a song put together though. Gets very addictive but can be brutally frustrating at times
Just keep practicing screen, you'll need calloused finger tips eventually.
Merry Christmas
Downloaded an App (iPhone 4) called Lick of the day.
Absolutely class for those of us stuck between beginner and nowhere in particular.
It is free to download with a few free lessons already on it. I downloaded a pack of 20 lessons for €3.99 which will keep me going for weeks. Well worth a look if you are not already taking lessons or like me you can't commit to regular practice/lessons.
Any ukulele apps?
I am finally revealing myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vms_6_TSQuc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vms_6_TSQuc)
have been trying on and off for a few years to learn this blasted instrument, I'm having serious trouble with the "F" chord - any tips??
Quote from: aontroim abu on October 11, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
have been trying on and off for a few years to learn this blasted instrument, I'm having serious trouble with the "F" chord - any tips??
yes, avoid barre F to begin with. Even a good guitarist playing a guitar were the action isnt great will struggle with the 'b' string using barre F. I'm currently teaching my wee girl. you can get away with the following 'F' until you are ready to barre or even go with all strings except the bass e string. put your index finger on the wee e and b strings 1st fret (or initially leave out the wee e string), middle finger on the g string 2nd fret and ring finger on the d string on the third fret (you introduce the a string later on down the line).
Stick with it as 4 chord trick of choice is C F G Am
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-161-F-chord.php
Quote from: J OGorman on October 11, 2013, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: aontroim abu on October 11, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
have been trying on and off for a few years to learn this blasted instrument, I'm having serious trouble with the "F" chord - any tips??
yes, avoid barre F to begin with. Even a good guitarist playing a guitar were the action isnt great will struggle with the 'b' string using barre F. I'm currently teaching my wee girl. you can get away with the following 'F' until you are ready to barre or even go with all strings except the bass e string. put your index finger on the wee e and b strings 1st fret (or initially leave out the wee e string), middle finger on the g string 2nd fret and ring finger on the d string on the third fret (you introduce the a string later on down the line).
Stick with it as 4 chord trick of choice is C F G Am
Thanks J, i'll give this a lash later
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-161-F-chord.php
Yes the F barre (and Bb played at the first fret) are feckers. So the guy on the link says it'll take about a month to master?!?! I'd be too embarrassed to tell you how long it took me. For a long time I played the 5 string F chord and simply muted the bass E string (the thick one) with my thumb to avoid unwanted E notes. One technique he does mention that I used is to roll your index finger slightly so that you're almost pressing with the side of your finger on the strings. That helped me but you just have to stick with it and one day it will be there!
For beginner/intermediate players here is a great (as in relatively easy but sounds difficult) version of Romeo & Juliet: http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/d/dire_straits/romeo_and_juliet_ver5_tab.htm (http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/d/dire_straits/romeo_and_juliet_ver5_tab.htm)
Quote from: aontroim abu on October 11, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
have been trying on and off for a few years to learn this blasted instrument, I'm having serious trouble with the "F" chord - any tips??
Stop strumming and sing a wee bit louder - I've been getting away with it for years! Can't play it 6 times out of 10 - broken fingers from old war wounds don't help ;)
I'd recommend the F chord a few posts back (modified C shape with everything shifted over a string) myself. The barred F chord has too much potential to lose the contact of the barre on the B string and the low E string can get a bit rattley depending on the action.
Starting to learn guitar and reading on web that it's better to learn on an electric rather then acoustic.
Would this be accurate and if so what type of electric would be best?
I learnt on an acoustic. Once you get over the initial pain and get your fingertips calloused it's grand.
However, it is easier to do barre chords on an electric. But you'll be learning the standard chords first, G,C,D,Em,A,Am before you even think about barre chords. So I would stick to the acoustic first. Plus, you'll not need the added expense of an amp/leads etc as you would with an electric.
That's just my verdict!
In terms of make, I'd go for a Fender or Yamaha. You can pick decent ones up for in and around £100.
If you are going for an electric, I got my wee lad (10) a decent wee 3/4 size Epiphone Les Paul Junior for £100.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0047YUM9O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's a great wee guitar for really cheap. He's started off playing acoustic for 2 years. The size really suits him, but it's also big enough for me to play. It has a really good tone. Better than some electrics I've played at 10 times the price!!!
Started from a chord book and once I had an idea of basic shapes, went to Ultimate Guitar and started looking for songs that I like. Started on a semi acoustic I bought in Aldi for 80 quid (still the best sounding guitar I ever played but very battered now) but now I'm on a Tanglewood acoustic. Currently working my way through a Dylan songbook.
Can't do barres for love nor money - and I haven't really tried finger picking. I never had a problem picking up rhythm so I basically just bash away on the basic chords.
Learnt this one the other day - very good for when we have the weather - giving you the easy version as there are killer Bs all over the original - God bless the capo
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/m/michael_franti_spearhead/sound_of_sunshine_ver2_crd.htm
And for playing along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgHosrqJ8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgHosrqJ8o
Bought an acoustic last Saturday and am starting out on something which has been an ambition of mine for a long time. Have practiced 20-30 minutes every evening, just looking at chords from chord charts and/or videos on youtube. My soft fingertips are going through the ringer. I'm determined and I know it will take ages to get any level of competency so I'm willing to put the practice in. I still find it very hard to understand how I'll get there......it seems like a huge mountain to climb. Advice on here looks really good so I'm reviving the thread.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Bought an acoustic last Saturday and am starting out on something which has been an ambition of mine for a long time. Have practiced 20-30 minutes every evening, just looking at chords from chord charts and/or videos on youtube. My soft fingertips are going through the ringer. I'm determined and I know it will take ages to get any level of competency so I'm willing to put the practice in. I still find it very hard to understand how I'll get there......it seems like a huge mountain to climb. Advice on here looks really good so I'm reviving the thread.
Seanie there's some really good free stuff on You Tube for beginners, an English guy called Andy (Cowley I think) and an American guy called Marty Schwartz. Here's a tip, learn your scales early and you'll benefit once you move from beginner to intermediate. I never bothered with scales, I wanted to get straight into blasting out rock n roll, but they are really useful for practice when you're a beginner and for bringing your playing on when you get past the beginner stage. Otherwise practice on half a dozen chords or so, e.g. A, Am, C, G E, Em, D. You'll be able to play hundreds of songs with these. As the fella said "Six chords is more than enough, sure U2 made millions with five!"
If it has more than three chords, it's jazz....
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2018, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Bought an acoustic last Saturday and am starting out on something which has been an ambition of mine for a long time. Have practiced 20-30 minutes every evening, just looking at chords from chord charts and/or videos on youtube. My soft fingertips are going through the ringer. I'm determined and I know it will take ages to get any level of competency so I'm willing to put the practice in. I still find it very hard to understand how I'll get there......it seems like a huge mountain to climb. Advice on here looks really good so I'm reviving the thread.
Seanie there's some really good free stuff on You Tube for beginners, an English guy called Andy (Cowley I think) and an American guy called Marty Schwartz. Here's a tip, learn your scales early and you'll benefit once you move from beginner to intermediate. I never bothered with scales, I wanted to get straight into blasting out rock n roll, but they are really useful for practice when you're a beginner and for bringing your playing on when you get past the beginner stage. Otherwise practice on half a dozen chords or so, e.g. A, Am, C, G E, Em, D. You'll be able to play hundreds of songs with these. As the fella said "Six chords is more than enough, sure U2 made millions with five!"
Sure there's only 5 notes in the pentatonic scale, is there a rock solo out there not written in this minor scale?
Personally I'd stay well clear of scales until you've mastered the 4 chord trick / basic chords and have a good grasp of strumming (and singing while playing if that's your thing) as scales can be daunting and put many off.
Buy a stand so the guitar is always handy, and a capo if you want to sing along. Means you can use the same chord shapes higher up the fret board (this changes the key)
Light gauge strings maybe a good option, be easier on the finger tips. Guitars will most likely come strung with medium gauge
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2018, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Bought an acoustic last Saturday and am starting out on something which has been an ambition of mine for a long time. Have practiced 20-30 minutes every evening, just looking at chords from chord charts and/or videos on youtube. My soft fingertips are going through the ringer. I'm determined and I know it will take ages to get any level of competency so I'm willing to put the practice in. I still find it very hard to understand how I'll get there......it seems like a huge mountain to climb. Advice on here looks really good so I'm reviving the thread.
Seanie there's some really good free stuff on You Tube for beginners, an English guy called Andy (Cowley I think) and an American guy called Marty Schwartz. Here's a tip, learn your scales early and you'll benefit once you move from beginner to intermediate. I never bothered with scales, I wanted to get straight into blasting out rock n roll, but they are really useful for practice when you're a beginner and for bringing your playing on when you get past the beginner stage. Otherwise practice on half a dozen chords or so, e.g. A, Am, C, G E, Em, D. You'll be able to play hundreds of songs with these. As the fella said "Six chords is more than enough, sure U2 made millions with five!"
Is he the guy that does Beatles tracks? Very good if its the same guy i'm thinking of. These guys on YouTube are brilliant. Chord books are ok for learning the basic chords but the YouTube clips really help you pick up the actual chords and moves on the songs you like. A lot cheaper than guitar lessons too!
Quote from: JoG2 on January 18, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2018, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Bought an acoustic last Saturday and am starting out on something which has been an ambition of mine for a long time. Have practiced 20-30 minutes every evening, just looking at chords from chord charts and/or videos on youtube. My soft fingertips are going through the ringer. I'm determined and I know it will take ages to get any level of competency so I'm willing to put the practice in. I still find it very hard to understand how I'll get there......it seems like a huge mountain to climb. Advice on here looks really good so I'm reviving the thread.
Seanie there's some really good free stuff on You Tube for beginners, an English guy called Andy (Cowley I think) and an American guy called Marty Schwartz. Here's a tip, learn your scales early and you'll benefit once you move from beginner to intermediate. I never bothered with scales, I wanted to get straight into blasting out rock n roll, but they are really useful for practice when you're a beginner and for bringing your playing on when you get past the beginner stage. Otherwise practice on half a dozen chords or so, e.g. A, Am, C, G E, Em, D. You'll be able to play hundreds of songs with these. As the fella said "Six chords is more than enough, sure U2 made millions with five!"
Sure there's only 5 notes in the pentatonic scale, is there a rock solo out there not written in this minor scale?
Personally I'd stay well clear of scales until you've mastered the 4 chord trick / basic chords and have a good grasp of strumming (and singing while playing if that's your thing) as scales can be daunting and put many off.
Buy a stand so the guitar is always handy, and a capo if you want to sing along. Means you can use the same chord shapes higher up the fret board (this changes the key)
Light gauge strings maybe a good option, be easier on the finger tips. Guitars will most likely come strung with medium gauge
Good tip (excuse the pun).
Lads, I'm just good enough to be called bad, but I enjoy myself. I love strumming along on an acoustic in the study, and singing stuff from Christy Moore, Fureys etc. Easy on the voice, and easy enough (relatively) in the Chord department.
The one thing that is killing me is the Barre chords. B, Bm etc etc. My fingers just can't form the chords because either the one acting as a 'capo' won't stay down, or the other ones forming the chord can't reach. Is there an easier way to play those chords, or do i just have to keep at it until my auld fingers loosen up enough to do it?
PS, seanie, I agree with All JOG says there. Also I like this url for easy enough songs, and loads of them....
http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html (http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Lads, I'm just good enough to be called bad, but I enjoy myself. I love strumming along on an acoustic in the study, and singing stuff from Christy Moore, Fureys etc. Easy on the voice, and easy enough (relatively) in the Chord department.
The one thing that is killing me is the Barre chords. B, Bm etc etc. My fingers just can't form the chords because either the one acting as a 'capo' won't stay down, or the other ones forming the chord can't reach. Is there an easier way to play those chords, or do i just have to keep at it until my auld fingers loosen up enough to do it?
PS, seanie, I agree with All JOG says there. Also I like this url for easy enough songs, and loads of them....
http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html (http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html)
There are multiple forms for all chords. Here's a good resource, with a non-barre Bm: https://www.8notes.com/guitar_chord_chart/bm.asp (https://www.8notes.com/guitar_chord_chart/bm.asp)
Regarding scale and chord work at the same time, I disagree that you need to stay clear of scales. There's no reason to omit them, and while they are boring - sitting around watching the TV and just having the guitar in your hand and working on the fingering on the low and middle part of the fret board will increase familiarity and help with little runs and licks in between chord changes - which will help immensely down the line. There's certainly no rule against not playing scales within a chord. On top of that, knowing the notes within the chord is a nice tool - scales definitely help with that.
AZ - Regarding the Barre chords - don't give up on them. Alternative versions are great to have in your back pocket - but if you can master the Barre with the E chord configuration, and the Barre with the A minor chord and A chord configurations - you open up the entire fret board.
A decent exercise to strengthen the Barre Finger/Familiarity with Barre Chords.
Make the E chord with your other fingers. I.e. don't use your first finger. Play E in this configuration and just practice sliding the configuration up to the 3rd or 4th fret (i.e. F# or G) and slide that Barre finger in behind it (2nd or 3rd fret respectively). If you can make the chord configuration first and slide the Barre in behind it its a more seamless effort than trying to lay the Barre down first and then finger the chord configuration.
EDIT: Infact, just work on E, A, and Am without using your first finger. Once you can master those with only your 2nd, 3rd, 4th fingers (middle, ring and pinkie) and make your 1st finger redundant - then you'll have an easier time with the fingers reaching once you've then mastered the Barre with the 1st finger.
Seanie - You'll get through the barrier and have shredded fingertips followed by shiny calloused ones soon. Make sure the action isn't too high on the guitar, that can be a real uncomfortable addition to a learner who may have a cheaper/introductory level guitar. The higher the bridge the further the strings sit from the fretboard and the harder you have to press down to make the chord/note.
Finally - What a development YouTube has been for people picking up the guitar or even intermediate players trying to get better. The internet was great, with the advent of tab sites etc... - but YouTube is a game changer. Some great tutorials out there for lessons, theory, gear, set up, styles - and of course learning almost any song you want to. Marty Schwartz' page is definitely a front runner for ease of use/fun.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Lads, I'm just good enough to be called bad, but I enjoy myself. I love strumming along on an acoustic in the study, and singing stuff from Christy Moore, Fureys etc. Easy on the voice, and easy enough (relatively) in the Chord department.
The one thing that is killing me is the Barre chords. B, Bm etc etc. My fingers just can't form the chords because either the one acting as a 'capo' won't stay down, or the other ones forming the chord can't reach. Is there an easier way to play those chords, or do i just have to keep at it until my auld fingers loosen up enough to do it?
PS, seanie, I agree with All JOG says there. Also I like this url for easy enough songs, and loads of them....
http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html (http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html)
Ive always had a lot of trouble with barre chords, partly due to a twisted index finger on my left hand. F-chords, for example, I have to play using only the bottom four strings and individual fret placements, as I can't hold all the strings down with the barre finger.
Don't even get me started on B-chords! I'll usually just avoid the song!
Quote from: J70 on January 18, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Lads, I'm just good enough to be called bad, but I enjoy myself. I love strumming along on an acoustic in the study, and singing stuff from Christy Moore, Fureys etc. Easy on the voice, and easy enough (relatively) in the Chord department.
The one thing that is killing me is the Barre chords. B, Bm etc etc. My fingers just can't form the chords because either the one acting as a 'capo' won't stay down, or the other ones forming the chord can't reach. Is there an easier way to play those chords, or do i just have to keep at it until my auld fingers loosen up enough to do it?
PS, seanie, I agree with All JOG says there. Also I like this url for easy enough songs, and loads of them....
http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html (http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html)
Ive always had a lot of trouble with barre chords, partly due to a twisted index finger on my left hand. F-chords, for example, I have to play using only the bottom four strings and individual fret placements, as I can’t hold all the strings down with the barre finger.
Don’t even get me started on B-chords! I’ll usually just avoid the song!
B is a pain in the hole to play - if you want to include the Barre on the High E string.
Can you Barre 2nd fret and then barre the D, G, B strings (The A chord shape configuration) with the flat part of your 3rd or 4th finger so its more of a power chord than a whole B chord? I.E. You are NOT playing the high E string.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 18, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
Regarding scale and chord work at the same time, I disagree that you need to stay clear of scales. There's no reason to omit them, and while they are boring - sitting around watching the TV and just having the guitar in your hand and working on the fingering on the low and middle part of the fret board will increase familiarity and help with little runs and licks in between chord changes - which will help immensely down the line. There's certainly no rule against not playing scales within a chord. On top of that, knowing the notes within the chord is a nice tool - scales definitely help with that.
AZ - Regarding the Barre chords - don't give up on them. Alternative versions are great to have in your back pocket - but if you can master the Barre with the E chord configuration, and the Barre with the A minor chord and A chord configurations - you open up the entire fret board.
A decent exercise to strengthen the Barre Finger/Familiarity with Barre Chords.
Make the E chord with your other fingers. I.e. don't use your first finger. Play E in this configuration and just practice sliding the configuration up to the 3rd or 4th fret (i.e. F# or G) and slide that Barre finger in behind it (2nd or 3rd fret respectively). If you can make the chord configuration first and slide the Barre in behind it its a more seamless effort than trying to lay the Barre down first and then finger the chord configuration.
EDIT: Infact, just work on E, A, and Am without using your first finger. Once you can master those with only your 2nd, 3rd, 4th fingers (middle, ring and pinkie) and make your 1st finger redundant - then you'll have an easier time with the fingers reaching once you've then mastered the Barre with the 1st finger.
Seanie - You'll get through the barrier and have shredded fingertips followed by shiny calloused ones soon. Make sure the action isn't too high on the guitar, that can be a real uncomfortable addition to a learner who may have a cheaper/introductory level guitar. The higher the bridge the further the strings sit from the fretboard and the harder you have to press down to make the chord/note.
Finally - What a development YouTube has been for people picking up the guitar or even intermediate players trying to get better. The internet was great, with the advent of tab sites etc... - but YouTube is a game changer. Some great tutorials out there for lessons, theory, gear, set up, styles - and of course learning almost any song you want to. Marty Schwartz' page is definitely a front runner for ease of use/fun.
That's all great stuff there, but in my experience with friends and family, keep it as simple as possible to start with . Learn a few chords, work on the rhythm arm, play Thunder Road, Wonderwall, Ride On, whatever floats your boat and get the buzz of being able to play a tune. This will reel a person in. The theory, even basic theory, can be looked at later, as imo it turns the vast majority of people off.
J70, any song can be played in another key which will help avoid chord shapes you can't quite get a hold of yet. If you know a man handy enough, send him the tab of the song and they should be able to change the key to suit your needs
Perhaps it's just hindsight on my part. Wish I had have paid attention to scales, arpeggios, runs and licks and picking strokes when I was younger. It's still a concentration exercise for me on some of the scales and runs. I have to think about it.
Definitely Chords and songs will embed the love for the instrument at the start.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 18, 2018, 07:59:27 PM
Perhaps it's just hindsight on my part. Wish I had have paid attention to scales, arpeggios, runs and licks and picking strokes when I was younger. It's still a concentration exercise for me on some of the scales and runs. I have to think about it.
Definitely Chords and songs will embed the love for the instrument at the start.
100%. It's tough learning scales and the like with an older brain!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Lads, I'm just good enough to be called bad, but I enjoy myself. I love strumming along on an acoustic in the study, and singing stuff from Christy Moore, Fureys etc. Easy on the voice, and easy enough (relatively) in the Chord department.
The one thing that is killing me is the Barre chords. B, Bm etc etc. My fingers just can't form the chords because either the one acting as a 'capo' won't stay down, or the other ones forming the chord can't reach. Is there an easier way to play those chords, or do i just have to keep at it until my auld fingers loosen up enough to do it?
PS, seanie, I agree with All JOG says there. Also I like this url for easy enough songs, and loads of them....
http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html (http://www.irish-folk-songs.com/lyrics-and-chords.html)
Practice them to death! And maybe use a lighter gauge string.
Like J70 said, I would have avoided songs with B or whatever in it, to the point where I was transposing everything and using a capo. A bit fiddly, especially on stage.
However, I just grabbed the electric and practised them flat out on that, which is easier. I was then able to revert back to the acoustic.
So, basically it's practise. Don't give up on it!
If you can play F and D sweetly, you can play the guitar.
All those with B problems, play B7, it will get you by.
For those that find it hard to fret (barre), use your thumb to cover the top two strings and fret your F.
Twelve Bar Blues
Great sound out of this and easy to play:
Strum pattern is 4/4 - there are 4 beats in one bar - which means 4 down strokes for each bar.
So start with E7
Four bars - that's 16 down strokes
Next A7
Two bars - 8 down strokes
Back to E7
Two Bars - 8 down strokes
Then B7
One Bar - 4 down strokes
Back to A7
One Bar - 4 Down Strokes
Back to E7
Two Bars - 8 down strokes
Sure give it a go
The post above is used for the likes of Booker T's 'Green Onions' and John Lee Hookers 'Boom Boom'.