Boxing Thread

[Syferus]

Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.

Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.

Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO.  Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense.  He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails.  Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation.  From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves,  nearly every fight has been pure entertainment.  Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch.  He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off. 

Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight.  Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas.  Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.

To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.

Either one will make ribbons of Froch.

Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done

The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.

Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.

GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.

[CiKe]

Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.

Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.

Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO.  Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense.  He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails.  Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation.  From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves,  nearly every fight has been pure entertainment.  Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch.  He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off. 

Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight.  Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas.  Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.

To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.

Either one will make ribbons of Froch.

Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done

The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.

Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.

GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.

Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.

Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.

Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.

[J OGorman]

Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.

Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.

Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO.  Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense.  He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails.  Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation.  From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves,  nearly every fight has been pure entertainment.  Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch.  He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off. 

Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight.  Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas.  Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.

To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.

Either one will make ribbons of Froch.

Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done

The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.

Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.

GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.

a great boxer, no, but a great fighter, most definitely. Froch has been in with the best,  so why would you fear for his safety? He'd welcome a rematch against Ward I reckon, and would give Golovkin and Martinez their fill of it imo.

[Syferus]

Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.

Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.

Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO.  Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense.  He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails.  Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation.  From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves,  nearly every fight has been pure entertainment.  Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch.  He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off. 

Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight.  Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas.  Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.

To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.

Either one will make ribbons of Froch.

Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done

The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.

Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.

GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.

Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.

Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.

Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.

To be honest Groves was a blow-up domestic fighter and he had Froch beat in one fight and fading in the second one. Someone like Macklin is a better fighter than Groves and even he could barely last two rounds with GGG. Macklin has a hardy chin too and it made no difference - GGG's power is scary.

Macklin gave Martinez a run but Macklin's defense is far tighter than Froch's and were Froch to fight someone as technically talented as Martinez I can see him picking apart those gaping holes in Froch's offense. That's a 39 year-old Martinez too. That tells you where Froch sits on the world stage.

[J OGorman]

its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011

[DuffleKing]

I think Froch beats anyone but ward.

[Syferus]

its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011

He had an a serious shoulder injury that took him out of commission for a good while before the proposed Kelly Pavlik fight.

To your previous post - I would agree that Froch is a great 'fighter' but not a great boxer. He has all those intangibles lots of better boxers don't have - heart, never knowing when he's beat, reckless bravery. But that only takes you so far. Ward, GGG and Martinez look to be all-time greats in their weight class. They're the sort of boxers that will comfortably sit alongside Haggler, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr in years to come.

There's no shame in not being able to beat that level of fighter as so few can. Froch has earned the right to have another pop if he wants to (he does) but I don't see how it will do anything but tarnish what has been a great career. I don't think he has a snowball's chance against GGG, which looks like the super-fight he's aiming for with Hearn ruling out Ward.

[nrico2006]

Froch has as good a chance as anybody at beating Ward, and very few fighters go through careers unbeaten.  As mentioned, he has the power to trouble Ward and has the chin to take pretty much anything Ward can throw at him.

As for Golovkin, he has a great record both at amateur and professional level, but he has not fought any of the top fighters yet to see how good he really is. 

[Syferus]

Froch has as good a chance as anybody at beating Ward, and very few fighters go through careers unbeaten.  As mentioned, he has the power to trouble Ward and has the chin to take pretty much anything Ward can throw at him.

As for Golovkin, he has a great record both at amateur and professional level, but he has not fought any of the top fighters yet to see how good he really is.

Ward has already made Froch look like a jobber, what exactly has changed since they fought? Froch struggling domestic fighter? He probably knows himself it's pointless fighting Ward. He might have to be shown the same is true with GGG.

[BennyHarp]

its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011

He had an a serious shoulder injury that took him out of commission for a good while before the proposed Kelly Pavlik fight.

To your previous post - I would agree that Froch is a great 'fighter' but not a great boxer. He has all those intangibles lots of better boxers don't have - heart, never knowing when he's beat, reckless bravery. But that only takes you so far. Ward, GGG and Martinez look to be all-time greats in their weight class. They're the sort of boxers that will comfortably sit alongside Haggler, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr in years to come.

There's no shame in not being able to beat that level of fighter as so few can. Froch has earned the right to have another pop if he wants to (he does) but I don't see how it will do anything but tarnish what has been a great career. I don't think he has a snowball's chance against GGG, which looks like the super-fight he's aiming for with Hearn ruling out Ward.

He's done ok with only having these skills. Froch is a fighter and it is the fight game. As we found out on Saturday night a top class fighter will generally beat a good boxer. I'd find it hard to think that Ward has improved much since the last meeting and coming off the back of a serious injury he may just not be the boxer he was. But I do agree Froch isn't exactly calling out Andre Ward and I think he probably doesnt fancy it as his last fight, he seems more concerned with his legacy at the minute and with the only unavenged defeat being to someone of Ward's calibre seems like something he is comfortable with.

[CiKe]

Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.

Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.

Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO.  Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense.  He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails.  Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation.  From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves,  nearly every fight has been pure entertainment.  Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch.  He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off. 

Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight.  Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas.  Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.

To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.

Either one will make ribbons of Froch.

Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done

The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.

Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.

GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.

Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.

Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.

Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.

To be honest Groves was a blow-up domestic fighter and he had Froch beat in one fight and fading in the second one. Someone like Macklin is a better fighter than Groves and even he could barely last two rounds with GGG. Macklin has a hardy chin too and it made no difference - GGG's power is scary.

Macklin gave Martinez a run but Macklin's defense is far tighter than Froch's and were Froch to fight someone as technically talented as Martinez I can see him picking apart those gaping holes in Froch's offense. That's a 39 year-old Martinez too. That tells you where Froch sits on the world stage.

In my view:

i) I think Groves gave him the run around in fight 1 because Froch didn't take it seriously enough (as evidenced by dominating the opening 6 rounds of rematch).

ii) Agree that Groves not elite level but he is a very decent boxer all the same and as good as anything GGG has fought at this point if not better - Macklin had been in a lot of wars by time he fought GGG and was clearly on the way down

iii) Macklin's defense is tighter than Froch's but less than stellar and as you pointed out he gave Martinez a decent rattle. Macklin doesn't have Froch's power and floored Martinez, who was also in serious trouble in last round from Chavez Junior (although probably that he weighed upward of super-middle when they fought). Despite weaker defense and movement, Froch also has a better chin than Macklin. I'd be putting my money on Froch to take what Martinez can throw at him and still be standing in front of him.

Now don't get me wrong I don't think Froch is a great boxer, more as someone else mentioned a great fighter. Ward is a great boxer and as you mentioned earlier Ward-Golovkin could be great but I think as spectacle would prefer to see Froch-Golovkin.

[Muzz]

So with Froch and Groves settled another grudge match on the cards - Martinez versus Frampton

Will Kiko get revenge or will Frampton become world champion?  Either way Belfast will be mental come the 6th September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/27693529

[HiMucker]

Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton?  Was it scott quigg?   Was bumming himself up no end

[nrico2006]

Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton?  Was it scott quigg?   Was bumming himself up no end

Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.

[Muzz]

Scott, you are right, is a world champion but did not have to beat a world champion to get the belt.  The WBA belt he has was vacated as Guillermo Rigondeaux became the WBA Super Champion.  He has not beaten anyone of considerable note and whilst Frampton's last fight wasnt against a true Super-Bantamweight he has destroyed Kiko and Steve Molitor who is the current and previous IBF champions.

Im not sure on what everyone else thinks but 10 times that Framption fights Quigg, Frampton wins 10 times.