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johnnycool

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« Reply #10305 on: July 26, 2022, 08:38:33 AM »
Much of the premise of Andrew Neil's article is that the EU is goosed, and by implication, mighty Britain will soar, and this is because major EU countries are being ruled by buffoon leaders, or are on the verge of electing buffoons.

Unfortunately, he might be overlooking who the current and next PMs of Britain are.

When the result of the Brexit vote was announced, Neil claimed that the EU would end up tearing itself apart with individual countries arguing against each other over securing a "quick" trade deal with a UK that left the EU. Turned out to be near enough the opposite, funnily enough.

He's a very good political interviewer, probably the best there is in the UK, but Andrew Neil's hot takes particularly over the last decade have seen him be a lot more miss than hit. On that basis it's hard to take him seriously on such matters, as is the case with most whom generally espouse either "British exceptionalism" or an automatic bias to the (for the lack of a better term) White Anglosphere.

Andrew Neil is the epitome of client journalism, so everything he says has to be taken in that context.

His owners want the EU to fail.

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« Reply #10306 on: August 08, 2022, 08:56:49 AM »
Is Ireland in danger of becoming a de facto British protectorate?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40934678.html

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« Reply #10307 on: August 08, 2022, 01:15:07 PM »
Is Ireland in danger of becoming a de facto British protectorate?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40934678.html

Inevitably, since the Sabina Higgens, PBP type people think that you should not defend yourself.
Some coordination with neighbours is always going to be appropriate, but you have to do your bit yourself.
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« Reply #10308 on: August 08, 2022, 03:54:11 PM »
So far, Brexit has contracted the UK economy by 5.6%
The North is protected by the Protocol and growing faster than England but the DUP have paralysed Stormont because of the Protocol.
Who is pulling the strings of the DUP ?
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« Reply #10309 on: August 08, 2022, 04:01:51 PM »

Who is pulling the strings of the DUP ?
Take yer pick.. .
Orange Order, UDA, UVF, ERG, International neo Nazism, American fundamentalist Bible thumpers......
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« Reply #10310 on: August 08, 2022, 06:55:34 PM »

Who is pulling the strings of the DUP ?
Take yer pick.. .
Orange Order, UDA, UVF, ERG, International neo Nazism, American fundamentalist Bible thumpers......
Nah, it's much more likely to be  Mr.Magoo.

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« Reply #10311 on: August 08, 2022, 07:34:33 PM »

Who is pulling the strings of the DUP ?
Take yer pick.. .
Orange Order, UDA, UVF, ERG, International neo Nazism, American fundamentalist Bible thumpers......
I don't think any of those have access to serious money. It's inthermeejit level
The DUP are playing senior hurling with links to the plutocracy i mo thuairim. Brexit does nothing for Sandy Row. So why are the DUP up to their neck in it ?
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« Reply #10312 on: August 08, 2022, 07:36:33 PM »
When have the DUP ever done anything for Sandy Rowe? You're mistaken here in thinking that it is different for them not to look after their own communities. It is not. They are basically tories. Sandy Rowe residents voting for the DUP is akin to people in poor areas in the north of england voting for tories. (same applies to brexit)

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« Reply #10313 on: August 08, 2022, 07:53:25 PM »
When have the DUP ever done anything for Sandy Rowe? You're mistaken here in thinking that it is different for them not to look after their own communities. It is not. They are basically tories. Sandy Rowe residents voting for the DUP is akin to people in poor areas in the north of england voting for tories. (same applies to brexit)
They don't do anything  for anybody in the Unionist community . They are working for someone else
Brexit changed the -tories and made them more extremist. Something similar happened to the DUP.
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« Reply #10314 on: August 08, 2022, 10:11:06 PM »
They arenít more extreme though as theyíve always been pretty extreme- they arenít much different. There is a school of thought that brexit will make drugs harder to get in and that does not please the loyalist paramilitaries who would definitely be in the running to be the ones pulling their strings.


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« Reply #10315 on: August 09, 2022, 09:11:46 AM »
They arenít more extreme though as theyíve always been pretty extreme- they arenít much different. There is a school of thought that brexit will make drugs harder to get in and that does not please the loyalist paramilitaries who would definitely be in the running to be the ones pulling their strings.
That's business as usual when things are ticking over. But anti Protocol when Brexit reduces the economy by more than 5% is a different kettle of fish imo.
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« Reply #10316 on: August 09, 2022, 09:18:20 AM »
I don't think it is. Also don't forget they were pro protocol not very long ago. Someone had words - so it's either like you say someone with financial clout or it's loyalist paramilitaries.

Personally I think there's been a realisation somewhere that the border expedites a united ireland significantly - or in their eyes makes it a real possibility - and it's that more than the economic stuff going on here.

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« Reply #10317 on: August 09, 2022, 09:48:42 AM »
I don't think it is. Also don't forget they were pro protocol not very long ago. Someone had words - so it's either like you say someone with financial clout or it's loyalist paramilitaries.

Personally I think there's been a realisation somewhere that the border expedites a united ireland significantly - or in their eyes makes it a real possibility - and it's that more than the economic stuff going on here.

Economics has absolutely nothing to do the DUP's current stance as is rightly being pointed out that initially both Arlene and Jeffrey are on record stating that the NIP had given NI great opportunities economics wise.

As for that change in stance, was it the ERG or the loyalist drug smugglers/community stake holders who got them to about turn on it or a mixture of both.

Ironically the DUP struggle to see that an economically successful NI would be inclined to ensure the middle ground vote for the status quo if it came to a border poll, no doubt the Shinners do as well.


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« Reply #10318 on: August 09, 2022, 10:04:41 AM »
I know - I don't get that irony either. It's about as ironic as having the word democratic in their name  >:(

It's just bigotry and they fail to mention brexit when saying how bad the NIP is so then people who would be of the persuasion to listen to them do.

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« Reply #10319 on: August 09, 2022, 12:34:13 PM »
I don't think it is. Also don't forget they were pro protocol not very long ago. Someone had words - so it's either like you say someone with financial clout or it's loyalist paramilitaries.

Personally I think there's been a realisation somewhere that the border expedites a united ireland significantly - or in their eyes makes it a real possibility - and it's that more than the economic stuff going on here.

Economics has absolutely nothing to do the DUP's current stance as is rightly being pointed out that initially both Arlene and Jeffrey are on record stating that the NIP had given NI great opportunities economics wise.

As for that change in stance, was it the ERG or the loyalist drug smugglers/community stake holders who got them to about turn on it or a mixture of both.

Ironically the DUP struggle to see that an economically successful NI would be inclined to ensure the middle ground vote for the status quo if it came to a border poll, no doubt the Shinners do as well.

Wee Jeffrey is on record as saying he doesn't care if Brexit costs 40,000 job losses in Northern Ireland. Wee Jeff will be OK with his MP salary, Trade missions and future house of lords position. No-one in Northern Ireland ever lost out from being a bigot, very financially rewarding if you play it right.