Jeremy Corbyn

[whitey]

Don't have a dog in the fight, but the Conservatives are delighted he's running so far ahead.

That tells me that, once again, Labour is not listening to the people, if they take this abrupt left turn.

Keep in mind that the Conservatives hammered Labour in the last election....in spite of UKIP getting almost 4,000,000 votes.

It was the SNP vote in Scotland that fucked labour, not UKIP.

Not true...UKIP won 14% of all votes cast in England.mLabour lost ground to UKIP in some of their traditional heartlands.

From what I could tell, Labour had your back if you were on benefits, but if you were a blue collar worker, they had nothing for you




http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/labours-loss-has-been-ukips-gain/16962#.Vc8sE3D3arU

[dferg]

300000 new people joined the labour party in the last few months, most of which will support Jeremy Corbyn because they do care about things like too many good banks.

[muppet]

Anything to the left or to the right uses the same ATM no matter where they are. The middle class bank.

Does anyone seriously think SYRIZA will go after the Greek shipping magnates? Does anyone seriously think the IMF will?

'Tax the rich', from the left, means tax the f*ck out of anyone earning more than the average industrial wage. But extremely high earners will offset most of their income or simply become tax exiles. 'Reduce taxes', from the right, means (for example in Ireland) corporation tax of 12.5%, but the 52% marginal rate applies to most workers. Worse again, when big private business (e.g. banks) really screw up, who pays?

The UK seems to be moving towards a further left party and further right party. But regardless of which is in power, those who pay the bills will remain the same.

[dferg]

Anything to the left or to the right uses the same ATM no matter where they are. The middle class bank.

Does anyone seriously think SYRIZA will go after the Greek shipping magnates? Does anyone seriously think the IMF will?

'Tax the rich', from the left, means tax the f*ck out of anyone earning more than the average industrial wage. But extremely high earners will offset most of their income or simply become tax exiles. 'Reduce taxes', from the right, means (for example in Ireland) corporation tax of 12.5%, but the 52% marginal rate applies to most workers. Worse again, when big private business (e.g. banks) really screw up, who pays?

The UK seems to be moving towards a further left party and further right party. But regardless of which is in power, those who pay the bills will remain the same.

Unfortunately I think you might be right

[whitey]

Don't have a dog in the fight, but the Conservatives are delighted he's running so far ahead.

That tells me that, once again, Labour is not listening to the people, if they take this abrupt left turn.

Keep in mind that the Conservatives hammered Labour in the last election....in spite of UKIP getting almost 4,000,000 votes.

It was the SNP vote in Scotland that fucked labour, not UKIP.

Not true...UKIP won 14% of all votes cast in England.mLabour lost ground to UKIP in some of their traditional heartlands.

From what I could tell, Labour had your back if you were on benefits, but if you were a blue collar worker, they had nothing for you




http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/labours-loss-has-been-ukips-gain/16962#.Vc8sE3D3arU

Spiked! as a critical review source is about as reliable as World Net Daily. Not somewhere for serious analysis.

Labour's vote share across the UK actually went up 1.5% compared to 0.8% for the Tories - in England this was +3.6% and +1.4% respectively. But for Labour, like the Lib Dems in 2010, in spite of an increasing vote share they ended up losing seats. Their collapse of the vote in Scotland was the most significant factor, but the turning of vote shares in the South-West of England was also crucial. Outside of Bristol, Exeter & Plymouth, Labour do not have much impact here and most seats are between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. The major collapse of the Liberal Democrats across Britain meant seat turnover to the Tories on a significant scale there.

UKIP did pick up a significant vote share in England & Wales but lost one of its sitting MPs, gained none, and their one MP that retained did so on a lower majority than either his by-election victory or his win as a Conservative in 2010. Without the cult of personality that is Nigel Farage, UKIP would quickly implode. They did notably well in parts of Northern England where Labour have long dominated and where the Tories aren't strong down to pushing buttons on the likes of immigration and moping up protest votes that would have previously gone to the Lib Dems. UKIP are such a rag bag of vastly different political outlooks that only have an anti-EU policy uniting them.

Ed Milliband was cast in many pro-Tory sections of the media as a dangerous leftist but to be honest, he wasn't that much different to much of what can be described as the moderate or centrist wing of the Conservatives. As an example when Milliband proposed freezing regulated energy prices, shitstorms surfaced. When Cameron proposed in the run up to the general election freezing regulated train fares, cricket chirps and tumbleweed from the same sources. There isn't much idealogical between the two parties significantly at present (though that might widen if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership contest), it's like Irish Man Utd & Liverpool followers getting on each other's tits.

The fact that the Conservatives managed to increase their vote at all, is quite an achievement given their leakage to UKIP. In most constituencies it didn't matter, as they were strongly Conservative  constituencies to begin with and never going to lose. In some constituencies they did in fact eat into Labour support, but my understanding is that was the exception rather than the norm and that they-UKIP-took a lot more votes from the Conservatives and Lib Dems.

This whole "Labour Increased their voter share more than the Tories" while true, is irrelevant in the grand scale of things. You dont win elections by just appealing to your base, you have to appeal to the marginal voters and that doesn't seem to have happened this time round. Lib Dems were going to get wiped out and all those seats were up for grabs. in spite of leakage to UKIP the Conservatives managed to pick up a good slice of these seats

FFS labour even lost a seat in Wales, while the Tories picked up 3.

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21650733-labour-has-lost-election-how-exactly-borderline-catastrophe

[whitey]

Thanks-that's a great explanation

So let me ask your opinion-is Labours recovery better served by a move to the left or to the right?


(I didn't follow the election too closely, but I did listen to the last debate in its entirety. Jaysus, Milliband soundedike a complete fvckin moron. My Labour voting sister and English husband actually had to turn off the TV he was that bad)

[Clov]

A landslide victory.

Interesting times ahead.

[ashman]

A landslide victory.

Interesting times ahead.
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Chefs and politicians really overuse the word "passion".

[orangeman]

Great work by the Conservatives.

[Maguire01]

A landslide victory.

Interesting times ahead.

Chefs and politicians really overuse the word "passion".

And people in Ballymena. But that's generally when they're talking about the weather.

[Canalman]

Things will definitely get spicey if big brother Milliband comes home from New York .

Regardless whether you agreee with their policies or not, very important for a country imo anyway to have a strong left leaning / socialist party. (something Ireland never had).

[Maguire01]

Things will definitely get spicey if big brother Milliband comes home from New York .

Regardless whether you agreee with their policies or not, very important for a country imo anyway to have a strong left leaning / socialist party. (something Ireland never had).

Unless it leaves the scenario where there is no realistic competition for the Conservatives.

[Hardy]

A landslide victory.

Interesting times ahead.

Chefs and politicians really overuse the word "passion".

And people in Ballymena. But that's generally when they're talking about the weather.

[gallsman]

A landslide victory.

Interesting times ahead.

Chefs and politicians really overuse the word "passion".

And people in Ballymena. But that's generally when they're talking about the weather.

And when they have their tea.

[An Watcher]

What's the story with corbyn and sinn fein? Him and Gerry big mates?