The Fine Gael thread

[HiMucker]

I, like I suspect half of FG and all of FF was delighted to see smartarse Varadkar squirming and apologising and taken down a peg ir 2.
Showing 1 crowd of doctors a deal that had been reached with another crowd of doctors didn't exactly bother the General public who live outside the political bubble.
Apart from Farradeelin and 6 Co folk there were no comments here.

And why do you think that was? I'll give you a clue. It's the same reason you can rhyme off the names of Jean Mcconville, McCabe, , Gillespie, but you'll struggle to name any of the victims of the Dublin Monaghan bombs, Bloody Sunday, Greysteele etc etc

[Snapchap]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Oh ffs. Is that you Heather?

Absolutely pathetic.

[Rossfan]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

[trueblue1234]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

They've made bits of you in this thread anyway.

[Rossfan]

No they didn't.

[Chief]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

[Snapchap]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

[Snapchap]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

[johnnycool]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The Provos claimed continuity from those fighters in 1920/21.
FG and FF broke away from the IRA and SF of those days.

Thought I saw a recent pic of Leo standing below a pic of Mick Collins recently.......

[ThroughTheLaces]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

So several people call you out on your hypocrisy, you avoid questions being put to you and your response is 'bots'. Cool.

[Angelo]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

So several people call you out on your hypocrisy, you avoid questions being put to you and your response is 'bots'. Cool.

As was predicted, he neither has the smarts or balls to stand behind what he said, that is his character.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

[Angelo]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

That's speculative.

What isn't speculative is that FF/FG never did anything to atone for all the violence and atrocities committed by their bloodline in the aftermath of the War of Independence and Civil War.

[Snapchap]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

If you buried a body on, for instance a vast bog or beach, could you find the exact spot a week later? Probably not. Could you find it if you buried the remains at night, 30 odd years ago? I'd say the fact that most of the remains have been found is fairly strong evidence that those involved have been co-operative in the searches. The Commission for finding the remains seems to think so. But what do they know, eh? They should have consulted you first