Great win on the road by our lot above in Clones. I'll be disappointed if we don t build on that at home this weekend. Kerry started the year spluttering a bit but were bright eyed and bushy tailed as soon as a gunslingin' Donegal rode into town. Donegal were cranky for February above in Ballybofey the Sunday before and Kerry took note and seemed keen to get their retaliation in first it appeared.
That game may have slaked their thirst for blood for a whileeen.
Hopefully we can get a couple of wins now. Twould be nice to be heading up to Longford for the last game as a semi-final shoot-out rather than a relegation must-win.
Well theres no love lost between these 2 teams.Will be a real battle.From a Mayo point of view i would like to see someone new tried at 6.Someone to hold the ground as they say.S Coen if he is available? Teams are still having joy running straight through the middle at us.Any word on Freeman? He needs to be given a go if fit
Wonder is Diarmuid o Connor going to play with the u 21 game coming up?I thought I saw somewhere that he said he would be unavailable for the Kerry game.
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 07, 2016, 10:37:58 PM
Well theres no love lost between these 2 teams.Will be a real battle.From a Mayo point of view i would like to see someone new tried at 6.Someone to hold the ground as they say.S Coen if he is available? Teams are still having joy running straight through the middle at us.Any word on Freeman? He needs to be given a go if fit
Maybe it's about organisation rather than somebody holding the ground. Not sure a big stopper can stop a runner like Ryan McHugh without taking his head off as he goes past. Nally was lucky to stay on the pitch for doing that last week. Surely Freeman would be in there already if he was about? dunno what is going on there?
We know what Freeman is about and he knows the game at this level too. I d give the younger lads to bed in more, get to the pace of things, get a bit of confidence and form - hopefully in a winning side.
Quote from: maigheo on March 07, 2016, 11:09:20 PM
Wonder is Diarmuid o Connor going to play with the u 21 game coming up?I thought I saw somewhere that he said he would be unavailable for the Kerry game.
Mayo U21 game isn't on until the 19th which should make him available for both games.
Have never understood the call from some Mayo fans for a stopper at 6 or for a fullback with a big presence on the edge of the square.Do you want a chb just to stand on the 40 and not move thro out the game?Same with fullback.I have seen calls for Sheamus O Shea to be installed on the edge of the square to catch any high balls but guess what every team would play low balls to the wing if OShea was fullback.Ger Caff is one of the better fullbacks to play for Mayo and is always designated to mark the oppositions best forward and I do not think that he is fully appreciated by a lot of Mayo fans
Quote from: maigheo on March 08, 2016, 01:20:20 AM
Have never understood the call from some Mayo fans for a stopper at 6 or for a fullback with a big presence on the edge of the square.Do you want a chb just to stand on the 40 and not move thro out the game?Same with fullback.I have seen calls for Sheamus O Shea to be installed on the edge of the square to catch any high balls but guess what every team would play low balls to the wing if OShea was fullback.Ger Caff is one of the better fullbacks to play for Mayo and is always designated to mark the oppositions best forward and I do not think that he is fully appreciated by a lot of Mayo fans
as long as caff realises he cant actually play football and needs to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it.
he did a wonderful job on mcmanus and I was really impress (and amused) buy his prematch warm up but i fear every time he solos the ball.
As for runs up the middle its the most effective technique for atttack in the moderen Game as as soon as a player is touched its a free and a possible black card. The 2 mchughs nearly destroyed mayo in ballybofey and Dublin though are experts at it
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 07, 2016, 10:37:58 PM
Well theres no love lost between these 2 teams.Will be a real battle.From a Mayo point of view i would like to see someone new tried at 6.Someone to hold the ground as they say.S Coen if he is available? Teams are still having joy running straight through the middle at us.Any word on Freeman? He needs to be given a go if fit
Maybe it's about organisation rather than somebody holding the ground. Not sure a big stopper can stop a runner like Ryan McHugh without taking his head off as he goes past. Nally was lucky to stay on the pitch for doing that last week. Surely Freeman would be in there already if he was about? dunno what is going on there?
We know what Freeman is about and he knows the game at this level too. I d give the younger lads to bed in more, get to the pace of things, get a bit of confidence and form - hopefully in a winning side.
Maybe your right.Im just never comfortable when Mayo are ahead in a game i always feel we will give up a goal chance or 2.We cant seem to shut up shop the way other teams can
I don't know moysider, when the fixtures were made initially, I had this down as one would win. However, Kerry won the last two games, they played Donegal at their own game and won. Then again, if we can win the midfield battle it'll be a springboard. And by midfield, I mean all the individual battles out between the two 45s. I haven't seen Kerry yet this year so I'm in no way able to comment on them, but I would hope that our middle sector can gain the upper hand.
I also don't see the point of AOS in the edge of the square. I think he should be put at his best position at midfield. Who slots in at full forward is another discussion, but I don't think Mayo are getting the best out of him in there. He was poor against Donegal I thought. Unfortunately he wasn't long enough on to see if the Donegal game was a blip or not.
The black jerseys we'll be wearing according to twitter there earlier. Didn't they make their debut down in Killarney last year if I'm right? I'll have to check back.
I really, really hope this is very different from last Sunday in Tralee..but it might be a similar type of affair I've a feeling to be honest.
I don't know how it keeps happening but as with quite a few recent encounters in Castlebar, this might be another game that Fitzmaurice tries a few lads out in. Pressure off a lot for us thankfully, but will still be looking for a good performance and will need one to be in contention as Mayo, despite only having 2 points, have been going well enough post-Cork.
Brendan devenny was in no doubt where the blame lay last week , kerry came out to kick the poor wee boys from the hills and sure what could they do but protect themselves was the gist of it
Quote from: rosnarun on March 10, 2016, 10:04:01 AM
Brendan devenny was in no doubt where the blame lay last week , kerry came out to kick the poor wee boys from the hills and sure what could they do but protect themselves was the gist of it
A very good player was Brendan..but not the sharpest tool in the box to be fair.
Kerry really needed to win the game, but to be fair when things got hot an heavy, were more than happy to get stuck in. Donegal were clearly trying to lay down some kind of marker, which in a way they did, but their non-stop fouling was awful indisciplined. McGee committed a filthy act, Donaghy and Mahony both had dangerous high tackles that could have been red, many players spent the entire game acting the bollox..it was a real slugfest.
This Sunday, Mayo are focused on getting 2 points and Kerry will be looking to push on aswell, so while I think it will be a tough game, it shouldn't be anything as bad as last Sunday.
I've been impressed with Mayo's reaction to the Cork debacle. Consiering the players missing, performances like the one in Ballybofey are fairly good, but it's a metter of getting points on the table now.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PMI haven't seen Kerry yet this year so I'm in no way able to comment on them, but I would hope that our middle sector can gain the upper hand.
Sheehan and Donaghy are a long way behind Maher and Moran as a midfield pairing imo.
Ignore Sheehan's deadball striking and he is a very ordinary intercounty midfielder in my opinion. Donaghy is far more effective a player in around the square compared to midfield.
Really wouldn't be surprised if Mayo won this sector.
I'd imagine that Donaghy will be in on the square on Sunday, he's done so much damage to us in the past in there
are Maher and Moran injured and has the tomy wals re-integration plan been abandoned?
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 10, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PMI haven't seen Kerry yet this year so I'm in no way able to comment on them, but I would hope that our middle sector can gain the upper hand.
Sheehan and Donaghy are a long way behind Maher and Moran as a midfield pairing imo.
Ignore Sheehan's deadball striking and he is a very ordinary intercounty midfielder in my opinion. Donaghy is far more effective a player in around the square compared to midfield.
Really wouldn't be surprised if Mayo won this sector.
David Moran is the best midfielder Kerry have but he's out with a broken hand I think. Buckley is back and will likely play in midfield Alongside Sheehan. Donaghy to play in his more familiar role at full forward.
The Mayo team for Sunday's round five Allianz Football League clash against Kerry in Elverys MacHale Park at 2.30pm is:
1. Robbie Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
3. Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
4. Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
5. Lee Keegan (Westport)
6. Colm Boyle (Davitts)
7. Shane Nally (Garrymore)
8. Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
9. Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
13. Evan Regan (Ballina Stephenites)
14. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
15. Conor O'Shea (Breaffy) .
Quote from: mrhardyannual on March 11, 2016, 09:45:13 PM
The Mayo team for Sunday's round five Allianz Football League clash against Kerry in Elverys MacHale Park at 2.30pm is:
1. Robbie Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
3. Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
4. Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
5. Lee Keegan (Westport)
6. Colm Boyle (Davitts)
7. Shane Nally (Garrymore)
8. Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
9. Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
13. Evan Regan (Ballina Stephenites)
14. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
15. Conor O'Shea (Breaffy) .
Same team as was named to start the last day but didn t?
I think we might be seeing what Rochford has in mind for us. Cunniffe, Barry Moran, Durkan and Cillian most likely to come into the frame as well.
We might as well enjoy this team while we can. A horror result for minors tonight after a couple of poor years at U18. Not to mention U21 recent history.
Agree moy. Maybe that's the reason our tried and trusted have been on the team for so long. Our recent u21 record is shocking.
Would expect a big improvement with Mayo U21s this year. Play Leitrim for a place in the final which no disrespect to leitrim should be a straight forward win. Likely final against Roscommon who Mayo have beaten in at minor level 2013 and 2014.
Sheehan seems to be massively underrated as a midfielder, but the man has won an Allstar there in 2011 and put in some excellent performances there. Was keeping David Moran out of the team in 2014 up until an injury against Galway. He actually was only ok from play against Donegal but was still probably the most effective player around the middle. If he maintains his sharpness I'd have no problem playing him there.
Donaghy won't last out there when it comes down to it fair enough, but not many options right now.
Is this game on T.V ?
Quote from: FL/MAYO on March 13, 2016, 01:56:05 PM
Is this game on T.V ?
Not live anyway, prob be highlights on rte this evening
Vaughan and Carolan to start instead of Regan and Barrett
Sounds like a poor second half performance from Mayo. Completely outplayed and a lot of wides kicked.
The Rossies is a huge game now, they are flying, we are struggling....
Well where do you start! Well, if there was a Manual on what not to do in a football match. Mayo would have covered all the practical examples today. Really missed Regan for frees today. Wonder why he was not started? Was it because of the physicality Kerry would bring? Kerry got a lot of soft frees in the first half and I wonder is it something to do with Cafferkey, but it seems he can not touch a Kerry player without it being a free. Donaghy in Limerick, Gooch today. Both got a free pass! O'Mahoney worked a treat as a sweeper in front of the Full back line. The O'Shea Full forward tactic is getting lame. Kerry were lucky to be just a point down at half time and they came out all guns blazing in the second half. Kerry second goal was fortuitous, and Hennelly won't want to see the replays.
You'd have to admire the way the Kerry team controlled everything for the last 15/20 minutes. They took Mayo on the counter and soaked up anything we had to offer. Frees and injuries took a lifetime. Andy's moment of panic going for goal when a simple tap over and at least 10 minutes of time to go. I counted on at least six occasions where Aidan to a free in on goal. All of them loobed in. Only problem was he was not there to contest them. Both Donaghy and Diarmuid were unlucky to be sent off. The rules are all over the place when players get away with consistent fowling and other players get sent off for handbags.
You'd be a bit depressed leaving as a Mayo supporter. A lot of the old habits/problems are there. We paniced a bit to early in the second half.
If we are to take any comfort. It's only the League. We still have survival in our own hands. There are important players to come back.
I suppose now it's down to Monaghan keeping us in Division One. The Rossie will want to rub salt in our wounds in 2 weeks time. Really looking forward to that one now. There will be some crowd there and I expect a crunching tie.
Kudos to Roscommon! Word of warning Derry had a similar run in the League a few years ago and imploded in the Championship. Although I have a suspicion that this is not the false dawn Derry had.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 05:46:21 PM
Well where do you start! Well, if there was a Manual on what not to do in a football match. Mayo would have covered all the practical examples today. Really missed Regan for frees today. Wonder why he was not started? Was it because of the physicality Kerry would bring? Kerry got a lot of soft frees in the first half and I wonder is it something to do with Cafferkey, but it seems he can not touch a Kerry player without it being a free. Donaghy in Limerick, Gooch today. Both got a free pass! O'Mahoney worked a treat as a sweeper in front of the Full back line. The O'Shea Full forward tactic is getting lame. Kerry were lucky to be just a point down at half time and they came out all guns blazing in the second half. Kerry second goal was fortuitous, and Hennelly won't want to see the replays.
You'd have to admire the way the Kerry team controlled everything for the last 15/20 minutes. They took Mayo on the counter and soaked up anything we had to offer. Frees and injuries took a lifetime. Andy's moment of panic going for goal when a simple tap over and at least 10 minutes of time to go. I counted on at least six occasions where Aidan to a free in on goal. All of them loobed in. Only problem was he was not there to contest them. Both Donaghy and Diarmuid were unlucky to be sent off. The rules are all over the place when players get away with consistent fowling and other players get sent off for handbags.
You'd be a bit depressed leaving as a Mayo supporter. A lot of the old habits/problems are there. We paniced a bit to early in the second half.
If we are to take any comfort. It's only the League. We still have survival in our own hands. There are important players to come back.
I suppose now it's down to Monaghan keeping us in Division One. The Rossie will want to rub salt in our wounds in 2 weeks time. Really looking forward to that one now. There will be some crowd there and I expect a crunching tie.
Kudos to Roscommon! Word of warning Derry had a similar run in the League a few years ago and imploded in the Championship. Although I have a suspicion that this is not the false dawn Derry had.
No team has had more false dawns that Derry. :( Roscommon do genuinely look very good.
Ah sure at least we won the wide count. 14 to 3 or something to that effect. Says it all.
Depressing stuff. A big step backwards today.
We got a lesson today how to control a game and use possession wisely and productively. Our lads are putting in big shifts but it's laboured and naïve.
Once we went a few points down again it was as good as over. Even against 14 men and playing at home we were beaten from a long way out.
Quote from: moysider on March 13, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Depressing stuff. A big step backwards today.
We got a lesson today how to control a game and use possession wisely and productively. Our lads are putting in big shifts but it's laboured and naïve.
Once we went a few points down again it was as good as over. Even against 14 men and playing at home we were beaten from a long way out.
As McGregor said after his fight with Diaz '
I feel I was simply inefficient with my energy'. The different uses of energy from both teams was the key. Todays game reminded me of our game v Donegal in the QF last August. We got a goal just before half time and another early in the second. And after that just Toyed with Donegal. Holding them at arms length and holding possession without having to be urgent.
I was at this game and was very surprised at how poor the shooting for Mayo was. Lack of a free taker was big as Henelly must have had four wides from frees. Mayo were in control in the first half and Kerry scored a goal before half time to leave them only a point down. I thought Parsons played well but the gooch turned on the magic in the last 15 minutes.
Ciliary o'Connor is a huge loss to Mayo as are the Castlebar contingent.
Roscommon game should be a tasty affair alright.
No penalty, no black card?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
Quote from: StephenC on March 13, 2016, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
O'Shea scoring a point, took the decision away from the referee and allowed him to bottle two important decisions.
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Cafferkey just had no answer to what the Referee expected from him! Any form of contact on Cooper was blown up. Some of the frees given were embarrassing. Anyway that's what you have to put up with.
How many chances does henelly and Doherty need? Bad sign when we have to bring on gibbons to play as a forward.
The surface of the pitch was cat, I walked across it afterwards. Didn't lend itself to AOS style of play.
Nothing from our play to evidence where the management has planned for particular situations, i.e, we are 4 up with 5 minutes left in the half, any management would shore up defence and take that lead into 2 nd half, the sideline failed on that. Why was Regan dropped? Why was keegan and donie given man marking roles? Why did we leave it so late for subs? Why did we play backwards ball from frees and why were these so slow?
The management have questions to answer after today. Embarrassment losing with such ease in front of such a huge crowd. Hopefully the local and national media come down hard on that performance.
Some positives were parsons, macloughlin, Nally and SOS (at times).
p.s we need to forget this sweeper bullshit also. We should have no fear of any team. Time to play man to man ball.!
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Cafferkey just had no answer to what the Referee expected from him! Any form of contact on Cooper was blown up. Some of the frees given were embarrassing. Anyway that's what you have to put up with.
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
Quote from: Ringfort on March 13, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Cafferkey just had no answer to what the Referee expected from him! Any form of contact on Cooper was blown up. Some of the frees given were embarrassing. Anyway that's what you have to put up with.
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
Luckily the only place he was getting possession was cheaply out the field. Couldn't live with Collins in the air at all. Murphy got a couple in the second half but the rest were frees. Very subdued apart from his mouthing to the ref.
Quote from: Ringfort on March 13, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Cafferkey just had no answer to what the Referee expected from him! Any form of contact on Cooper was blown up. Some of the frees given were embarrassing. Anyway that's what you have to put up with.
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
;D
Quote from: Ringfort on March 13, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
Yep. You're not going to know what's hit you, if you find yourself playing a fit James O'Donoghue, in Croke Park, in late summer. ::)
Quote from: Beffs on March 14, 2016, 12:15:59 AM
Quote from: Ringfort on March 13, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
Yep. You're not going to know what's hit you, if you find yourself playing a fit James O'Donoghue, in Croke Park, in late summer. ::)
James' shoulder would probably pop if you gave him a fright at this stage. So I wouldn't hold my breath on the fit part.
Unfit too. Unfortunately for the opposition. His falling to the ground in spasms of agony, clutching his shoulder as if he has just been shot, has won Kerry many a free over the past couple of years. Personally, I'd give him an Oscar, instead of all the frees, but that might be just me. ::)
Kerry deserved that win, we were so far ahead in the first half and still went in only a point up.
Accepting that Kerry deserved to win the referreeing was disgraceful. Every time mayo won the ball in midfield they were fouled by Sheehan, Donaghy and O'Mahony, not some of the time, all of the time. And no sign of a card from the ref. The sending off of DOC was an absolute disgrace, it basically said its ok to kick the ball away down the line and if u try and get it bank it's a yellow card, I can't remember the last time I was as disgusted at a decision
Outside of COC we really have no inside forward, if we're going to kick it into AOS and COS then we need runners off them to take a pop pass. I thought at times yesterday we insisted on kicking it in when we would have been better playing our traditional running game. A mixture of the two is needed surely, so if the long ball isn't on then run it. You can only lump it in if the option is there!
Good win for Kerry without our 3 best players, Maher, Moran and JOD. For the first time in a few years we're now safe from relegation with a couple of games to go so should experiment for the last couple of games tactically and playerwise. Give Brendan O'S a start for one thing.
QuoteGive Brendan O'S a start for one thing
Very impressive newcomer.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 14, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
Good win for Kerry without our 3 best players, Maher, Moran and JOD. For the first time in a few years we're now safe from relegation with a couple of games to go so should experiment for the last couple of games tactically and playerwise. Give Brendan O'S a start for one thing.
Six is far from safe when your remaining two matches are against teams on four and who would own a head to head on ye if they win.
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 14, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
Good win for Kerry without our 3 best players, Maher, Moran and JOD. For the first time in a few years we're now safe from relegation with a couple of games to go so should experiment for the last couple of games tactically and playerwise. Give Brendan O'S a start for one thing.
Six is far from safe when your remaining two matches are against teams on four and who would own a head to head on ye if they win.
Kerry would finish level on points with Mayo if Kerry lose both and Mayo win both of final two games. Kerry have a 35 pt advantage if it comes to points difference. Mayo could beat Down by 15 pts but can't see where the other 20 can be made up.
We plan on beating Roscommon by 50, to lay down a marker but mainly out of spite for Kerry
Watch your backs, that's all I'm saying
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 13, 2016, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
O'Shea scoring a point, took the decision away from the referee and allowed him to bottle two important decisions.
How big of a tool must the umpire feel, not too mention the ref.
Does anybody grade them, If he was that incompetent on such a critical call, penalty and black card, who's to say he wont do the same later in championship.
btw, Kerry probably would still have won.
The standard of refereeing is getting out of hand and at this stage. Some of these lads seem to be just making it up as they go along. From game to game nobody really knows whats a black card is and its now just turning into a lottery.
Systematic fouling is going unpunished but a lad comes in late with a tackle and he may pick up a black.
How Aiden O'Shea didnt get a penalty for this is beyond belief. Ok. He scored a point and it can be debated that a point is better then a penalty because its a score but for the drag down to go unpunished is ridiculous.
Crowley got a black card for dragging O'Shea to the ground in the square and yet nothing else. No penalty, no free. Bring on a sub and get on with.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 13, 2016, 11:44:31 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
The ref was terrible imo and gave a lot of easy frees to Kerry (especially the Gooch).
Cafferkey just had no answer to what the Referee expected from him! Any form of contact on Cooper was blown up. Some of the frees given were embarrassing. Anyway that's what you have to put up with.
I know they are completely different build but I felt the same today watching Ros try to contain Michael Murphy. He got possession and barrelled into contact. Immediate whistle and free in. We have little or no experience playing the marquee names. Is this what you are up against all the time?
In fairness to MM I've seen him take ferocious abuse in the UFC in recent years and I'm sure refs are hyper keen to protect him.
;D
That's very good alright ;D
I just watched the highlights last night from RTE and they mentioned how O'Shea seems to always struggle to get frees just because he's so big and strong and refs seems to take this into consideration with an attempt to play the advantage or "let the game flow"
It used to be the same years ago with my club mate Stephen O'Neill where he was often strong enough to ride the tackle even though 2 lads could be hanging out of him.
I do understand refereeing is a difficult job but I think they need to become much more open about it all and not be so defensive about their own performances. A lot of refs seem to be untouchable and not be willing to learn from their mistakes.
Is anyone a ref on the board? Do they have regular meetings and look at incidents with a few to help clarify when someone got it wrong and right.
With the swarm defences nowadays and much more double marking on the star players I think refs need some guidance on what is allowed and what is a free. How many times last year did we see players like M.Murphy and Aidan O'Shea being repeately pulled and man handled but the ref waves play on cos he thinks they are big strong lads with loads of skill so you have to "bend" the rules a bit whereas a smaller less known lad would have got the free for the same tackle.
QuoteIs anyone a ref on the board?
Milltownrow2 is yer man.
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No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
O'Shea scoring a point, took the decision away from the referee and allowed him to bottle two important decisions.
How big of a tool must the umpire feel, not too mention the ref.
Does anybody grade them, If he was that incompetent on such a critical call, penalty and black card, who's to say he wont do the same later in championship.
btw, Kerry probably would still have won.
the call has nothing to do with the umpire. if, on the other hand it had happened 'off the ball', the umpire could have brought it to the refs attention.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 09:03:23 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
O'Shea scoring a point, took the decision away from the referee and allowed him to bottle two important decisions.
How big of a tool must the umpire feel, not too mention the ref.
Does anybody grade them, If he was that incompetent on such a critical call, penalty and black card, who's to say he wont do the same later in championship.
btw, Kerry probably would still have won.
the call has nothing to do with the umpire. if, on the other hand it had happened 'off the ball', the umpire could have brought it to the refs attention.
Ok, was not 100% sure and not afraid to admit it.
Just to clarify, The linesman can bring something like a dragdown to refs attention, but the umpire who may be six feet away with a better view cannot.
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Quote from: StephenC on March 13, 2016, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 13, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
No penalty, no black card?
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Aye. This was a crazy decision. I know he got a point from it but it was a blatant penalty and yellow card.
O'Shea scoring a point, took the decision away from the referee and allowed him to bottle two important decisions.
How big of a tool must the umpire feel, not too mention the ref.
Does anybody grade them, If he was that incompetent on such a critical call, penalty and black card, who's to say he wont do the same later in championship.
btw, Kerry probably would still have won.
the call has nothing to do with the umpire. if, on the other hand it had happened 'off the ball', the umpire could have brought it to the refs attention.
Ok, was not 100% sure and not afraid to admit it.
Just to clarify, The linesman can bring something like a dragdown to refs attention, but the umpire who may be six feet away with a better view cannot.
only the ref makes calls on the actual play ie on the ball activity. Linesmen and umpires can only call off the ball stuff. Both should be given the power to call on the ball play as well to give the ref a hand.
Donaghy had a big input on the result the last day.
He had a very decent game in general but was involved in 2 big game changing events.
His tackle on Aido prevented a certain goal and his presence later spooked Hennelly into that awful flap that gifted Kerry their second goal and effectively ended the game as a meaningful contest. That's a 5 point swing and the game.
Disappointing to see a very young fan have a go with him as he went to take his seat after second card.
I could go and rant and rave about last Sunday, however it's too late now at this stage to get anything off my chest. All I know is that Mayo are in trouble. It's time those players who were the ringleaders of the heave (I know, I know - I shouldn't mention it but I had to) stood up and be counted now. There was no leadership in the second half the last day, from the line or the players themselves. Parsons was about the only one to emerge with credit, as did Caff who stuck to Gooch like glue all day, K Mc did nothing wrong apart from those two stupid frees in the first half.
Quote from: moysider on March 15, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
Donaghy had a big input on the result the last day.
He had a very decent game in general but was involved in 2 big game changing events.
His tackle on Aido prevented a certain goal and his presence later spooked Hennelly into that awful flap that gifted Kerry their second goal and effectively ended the game as a meaningful contest. That's a 5 point swing and the game.
Disappointing to see a very young fan have a go with him as he went to take his seat after second card.
Feck Donaghy Moy.Gives out his fair share.Spent his time goading Mayo supporters down in Limerick.Spends his time in the refs ear aswell.Brilliant target man but a gobshite
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Quote from: moysider on March 15, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
Donaghy had a big input on the result the last day.
He had a very decent game in general but was involved in 2 big game changing events.
His tackle on Aido prevented a certain goal and his presence later spooked Hennelly into that awful flap that gifted Kerry their second goal and effectively ended the game as a meaningful contest. That's a 5 point swing and the game.
Disappointing to see a very young fan have a go with him as he went to take his seat after second card.
Feck Donaghy Moy.Gives out his fair share.Spent his time goading Mayo supporters down in Limerick.Spends his time in the refs ear aswell.Brilliant target man but a gobshite
I know, I know. I don t like the cut of him either but I'm sure he doesn t give a shite what we think. He won t be running for election up here anytime soon. But yet again he was very effective against us again. It was clear he was willing to take a card for the tackle on Aido if necessary to try and prevent a gaol. As for the second goal. Not the first time Rob has been done when's been around.
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Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 15, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
Donaghy had a big input on the result the last day.
He had a very decent game in general but was involved in 2 big game changing events.
His tackle on Aido prevented a certain goal and his presence later spooked Hennelly into that awful flap that gifted Kerry their second goal and effectively ended the game as a meaningful contest. That's a 5 point swing and the game.
Disappointing to see a very young fan have a go with him as he went to take his seat after second card.
Feck Donaghy Moy.Gives out his fair share.Spent his time goading Mayo supporters down in Limerick.Spends his time in the refs ear aswell.Brilliant target man but a gobshite
I know, I know. I don t like the cut of him either but I'm sure he doesn t give a shite what we think. He won t be running for election up here anytime soon. But yet again he was very effective against us again. It was clear he was willing to take a card for the tackle on Aido if necessary to try and prevent a gaol. As for the second goal. Not the first time Rob has been done when's been around.
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Not just Donaghy that does him.Hennelly is a liability and always has been.Brilliant shot stopper but his kickouts are erratic and he dosent command the square at all.The sooner Clarke is back the better
I'm very disappointed to see only 5 pages on this one.
D'ye not care about the League any more?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 15, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
I could go and rant and rave about last Sunday, however it's too late now at this stage to get anything off my chest. All I know is that Mayo are in trouble. It's time those players who were the ringleaders of the heave (I know, I know - I shouldn't mention it but I had to) stood up and be counted now. There was no leadership in the second half the last day, from the line or the players themselves. Parsons was about the only one to emerge with credit, as did Caff who stuck to Gooch like glue all day, K Mc did nothing wrong apart from those two stupid frees in the first half.
I think it is dangerous to start putting the gun to players heads over that heave Farr. If anything those who handled the replacement of Horan should be the target of anybody's temper. Early days but looks like our neighbours may have gained from the intrigue post Horan's resignation.
The new management is trying a new tack and so far anyway players seem to be struggling to adapt and confidence appears to be low once we fall behind in a game. We re competitive but not creating chances. That may well come.
As mayo4sam pointed out earlier, some issues have been addressed. It's a work in progress and there's time.
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Quote from: moysider on March 15, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
Donaghy had a big input on the result the last day.
He had a very decent game in general but was involved in 2 big game changing events.
His tackle on Aido prevented a certain goal and his presence later spooked Hennelly into that awful flap that gifted Kerry their second goal and effectively ended the game as a meaningful contest. That's a 5 point swing and the game.
Disappointing to see a very young fan have a go with him as he went to take his seat after second card.
Feck Donaghy Moy.Gives out his fair share.Spent his time goading Mayo supporters down in Limerick.Spends his time in the refs ear aswell.Brilliant target man but a gobshite
I know, I know. I don t like the cut of him either but I'm sure he doesn t give a shite what we think. He won t be running for election up here anytime soon. But yet again he was very effective against us again. It was clear he was willing to take a card for the tackle on Aido if necessary to try and prevent a gaol. As for the second goal. Not the first time Rob has been done when's been around.
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Not just Donaghy that does him.Hennelly is a liability and always has been.Brilliant shot stopper but his kickouts are erratic and he dosent command the square at all.The sooner Clarke is back the better
First goal went straight under him. That can happen though.
Not sure he can or will be dropped.
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
Interesting points Moy.Ideally Clarke would stay injury free and Hennelly would fight it out for the number 1 spot with him.Keeping a fella on the team because he might walk away if dropped is not very fair to the rest of the squad.As sure as night follows day Hennelly will crack when the pressure comes on
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Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
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Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
I'm not demanding dropping Hennelly anyway - even though I think Clarke is a better keeper. Age, injury history and maybe more come into the equation. Dropping Hennelly would be a huge call for management, but the back-up keeper should get time during the league.
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Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
I'm not demanding dropping Hennelly anyway - even though I think Clarke is a better keeper. Age, injury history and maybe more come into the equation. Dropping Hennelly would be a huge call for management, but the back-up keeper should get time during the league.
Not you.
There is very little between them, but personally I would stick with Hennelly (even if I didn't see the last game).
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Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
I'm not demanding dropping Hennelly anyway - even though I think Clarke is a better keeper. Age, injury history and maybe more come into the equation. Dropping Hennelly would be a huge call for management, but the back-up keeper should get time during the league.
Not you.
There is very little between them, but personally I would stick with Hennelly (even if I didn't see the last game).
If it was just down to better keeper I would go with Clarke by some distance. But it's not that simple. He has a terrible track record of injury and now that he is into his thirties are things likely to change? He's been very unlucky and as a consequence so have we.
In my time 3 Dublin keepers (Cullen, O'Leary and Cluxton) would have played @ 90% of Dublin matches, league and championship, last 40+ years. That's something else. Cork hurling goalkeepers huge careers also.
Clarke in Mayo panel since 2001 but probably missed 50% of those years with injury. For a goalie he is still relatively young but he has a history of breaking down.
The goalie is the least of our problems lads.
Quote from: highorlow on March 16, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
The goalie is the least of our problems lads.
its as big as any .
I dont believe there was any structuaral flaws that cost mayo the game on sunday . we cooulda shudda got a couple of penalties kerry goal should have been disallowed. out free taking was bad and we had too many bad wides , so i would say it was more of an unlucky and subpar effort rather than any fundemental weakness.
After the exxcellence of monaghan diarmaid Oconnor had a poor game and was cranky thought out , he only a kid yet maybe a break would do him the world of good, or even a run with the u21's
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Hennelly also threw one into his net in the 08 AI minor final replay. He has a penchant for blowing up on the big day.
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Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Apologies i may have worded my opening statement wrong but i stand by my opinion that he is a very poor keeper.I accept all goalkeepers make mistakes but Hennelly consistently makes them.Hes no spring chicken either he must be 26 or 27 at this stage so its not like this is new to him.You talk about potential and that he will continue to improve but i have never seen any improvement in him.I dont think he is any better of a keeper now than when he burst on to the scene a few years ago.
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Apologies i may have worded my opening statement wrong but i stand by my opinion that he is a very poor keeper.I accept all goalkeepers make mistakes but Hennelly consistently makes them.Hes no spring chicken either he must be 26 or 27 at this stage so its not like this is new to him.You talk about potential and that he will continue to improve but i have never seen any improvement in him.I dont think he is any better of a keeper now than when he burst on to the scene a few years ago.
Interesting.
A very poor keeper? James Horan, Pat Holmes, Noel Kennelly and now Stephen Rochford all picked him. But you know more obviously.
Are you going to tell us the real reason for your online abuse of Hennelly?
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Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 16, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 16, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2016, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Apologies i may have worded my opening statement wrong but i stand by my opinion that he is a very poor keeper.I accept all goalkeepers make mistakes but Hennelly consistently makes them.Hes no spring chicken either he must be 26 or 27 at this stage so its not like this is new to him.You talk about potential and that he will continue to improve but i have never seen any improvement in him.I dont think he is any better of a keeper now than when he burst on to the scene a few years ago.
Interesting.
A very poor keeper? James Horan, Pat Holmes, Noel Kennelly and now Stephen Rochford all picked him. But you know more obviously.
Are you going to tell us the real reason for your online abuse of Hennelly?
As ive said several times its my opinion.Do you not like it when people disagree with you?Are you incapable of having a discussion without having to throw in childish insults?As for online abuse cop yourself on this is a discussion forum where im giving an opinion nothing more.
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As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Apologies i may have worded my opening statement wrong but i stand by my opinion that he is a very poor keeper.I accept all goalkeepers make mistakes but Hennelly consistently makes them.Hes no spring chicken either he must be 26 or 27 at this stage so its not like this is new to him.You talk about potential and that he will continue to improve but i have never seen any improvement in him.I dont think he is any better of a keeper now than when he burst on to the scene a few years ago.
Interesting.
A very poor keeper? James Horan, Pat Holmes, Noel Kennelly and now Stephen Rochford all picked him. But you know more obviously.
Are you going to tell us the real reason for your online abuse of Hennelly?
As ive said several times its my opinion.Do you not like it when people disagree with you?Are you incapable of having a discussion without having to throw in childish insults?As for online abuse cop yourself on this is a discussion forum where im giving an opinion nothing more.
You are the one throwing the insults.
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A very poor keeper'? Seriously??
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Were asking for trouble with him'. All those Mayo managers just keep asking for trouble.
He was an All-Star replacement to Cluxton. Moysider put any club bias aside and a gave a good reason not to put Clarke in.
You insult a Mayo player, anonymously and ludicrously imho, and you are whinging about online insults? Are we to simply bow to your opinion? Are we not allowed to dispute it or have even a cursory look at what might be behind it?
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Quote from: mayoman dan on March 15, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as i know Clarke is involved so i dont see any reason not to drop him.Were asking for trouble with him.Look at the 2 Dubin games last year big mistakes in each of them cost us goals
What happens if Hennelly is dropped and walks? Is the new management strong enough to deal with it. Clarke's injury history is very bad and what are the chances he's able to complete a year? What then?
It is probably best that we trash him on the internet and demand that he be dropped. Maybe we could start screaming in panic everytime the ball comes in, just like we did with Peter Burke (who played for Ireland) near the end of his days.
I reckon Hennelly is 8 years younger than Cluxton and 6 years younger than Clarke. Even though he is there a long time, he is still relatively young for a keeper and will continue to improve. On his day he is terrific. We are fortunate to have such a very experienced back-up to step in if necessary.
This is simply not true.In the big games he consistently makes mistakes that cost us.2013 AIF mistake leads to a goal.2014 replay in Limerick he was shocking.2015 replay against Dublin he lost the head completley and it cost us.Im not making any demands that he be dropped i dont pick the team but the last i looked this was a discussion forum and in my opinion hes a dodgy keeper and we have a better option sitting on the bench.
An opinion is merely an opinion and is not something that 'is simply not true'.
In the 2013 AIF both keepers made a bad error, the Dublin forwards took their opportunity, ours watched as Cluxton flapped and completely missed a ball.
In 2006 Clarke made the worst flap I ever saw but so what? I have never seen a keeper who didn't make an error.
There is very little between them, but Hennelly is far younger and therefore more potential and one for the future.
Apologies i may have worded my opening statement wrong but i stand by my opinion that he is a very poor keeper.I accept all goalkeepers make mistakes but Hennelly consistently makes them.Hes no spring chicken either he must be 26 or 27 at this stage so its not like this is new to him.You talk about potential and that he will continue to improve but i have never seen any improvement in him.I dont think he is any better of a keeper now than when he burst on to the scene a few years ago.
Interesting.
A very poor keeper? James Horan, Pat Holmes, Noel Kennelly and now Stephen Rochford all picked him. But you know more obviously.
Are you going to tell us the real reason for your online abuse of Hennelly?
As ive said several times its my opinion.Do you not like it when people disagree with you?Are you incapable of having a discussion without having to throw in childish insults?As for online abuse cop yourself on this is a discussion forum where im giving an opinion nothing more.
You are the one throwing the insults.
'A very poor keeper'? Seriously??
'Were asking for trouble with him'. All those Mayo managers just keep asking for trouble.
He was an All-Star replacement to Cluxton. Moysider put any club bias aside and a gave a good reason not to put Clarke in.
You insult a Mayo player, anonymously and ludicrously imho, and you are whinging about online insults? Are we to simply bow to your opinion? Are we not allowed to dispute it or have even a cursory look at what might be behind it?
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First off i havent insulted anyone.I am giving an opinion on a player on a discussion board.Is that not allowed? Are we only allowed to discuss players that we think are going well.Secondly if you think this is some club bias your wrong and Faarendeelin can back me up on that one.I have never met Hennelly im sure hes a nice fella but i dont think hes the best goalkeeper in the Mayo squad at the minute.As for bowing to my opinion well thats just pure bluster.Im entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours.If you dont agree with me thats fine but to suggest i have a hidden agenda when it comes to Hennelly is wide of the mark.
By all means point to Clarke, O'Malley or whoever you like as your preferred starter, as many others do here. But attacking an amateur player, on the team you are supposed to support, on a public forum as 'a very poor keeper' or 'looking for trouble' is pretty crass in my opinion. Goalkeepers usually mature later than other players and often don't hit their peak until late 20s/early 30s, so saying he is 'no spring chicken' at 26 is comical.
I have my reasons for preferring Hennelly over Clarke, but to justify it I won't publicly point to any perceived weakness I might think I see in Clarke's game. He is a great servant and I have too much respect for him to do that.
Anyway, enough of that, I have another team to support today.
C'mon Mitchels!