The Big Bailout of the Eurozone (Another crisis coming? - Seriously)

Started by muppet, September 28, 2008, 11:36:36 PM

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Bogball XV

Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 08, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
I thought they couldnt cut interest rates because that would cause something else to go up?

It's called running out of ideas, so far they've disregarded virtually everything they used to hold sacred: competition law, deregulation, free market is always right, privitisations, etc, etc.

Seriously, what is this supposed to achieve?  Do they think this will cause the interbank rate to drop?  I'm a bit confused tbh (but then that'll hardly be a surprise).

muppet

Quote from: Bogball XV on October 08, 2008, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 08, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
I thought they couldnt cut interest rates because that would cause something else to go up?

It's called running out of ideas, so far they've disregarded virtually everything they used to hold sacred: competition law, deregulation, free market is always right, privitisations, etc, etc.

Seriously, what is this supposed to achieve?  Do they think this will cause the interbank rate to drop?  I'm a bit confused tbh (but then that'll hardly be a surprise).

It has caused a bit of a bounce but it does smack of total desperation.

If the banks refuse to pass on the cuts, given the taxpayer is insuring them, it would be time to hit the streets IMHO.
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Billys Boots

QuoteAny bets the banks don't pass the cuts on?

Don't they have to?  If you have an ECB + margin mortgage, they must drop the rate immediately, or are all deals effectively over?
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gerrykeegan

Quote from: Billys Boots on October 08, 2008, 12:48:28 PM
QuoteAny bets the banks don't pass the cuts on?

Don't they have to?  If you have an ECB + margin mortgage, they must drop the rate immediately, or are all deals effectively over?

that would be breach of contract Billy, If you have a tracker you will be fine.
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muppet

Quote from: Billys Boots on October 08, 2008, 12:48:28 PM
QuoteAny bets the banks don't pass the cuts on?

Don't they have to?  If you have an ECB + margin mortgage, they must drop the rate immediately, or are all deals effectively over?

If you have a tracker it should drop immediately however I'd read the small print just in case.
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Bogball XV

Quote from: Billys Boots on October 08, 2008, 12:48:28 PM
QuoteAny bets the banks don't pass the cuts on?

Don't they have to?  If you have an ECB + margin mortgage, they must drop the rate immediately, or are all deals effectively over?
trackers have to drop alright, but I don't know that central bank rates are actually that important to banks anymore, a lot of their borrowing is at the interbank rates and they're way higher than central bank rates anyway, mainly because there is no trust or confidence in the market anymore, basically if i'm going to lend you 20 quid but I'm not sure that you can pay me back I'm going to demand a high premium.
Essentially if the interbank rates don't drop as a result of this, and I don't know that there is any direct link, then the banks won't be in a position to drop their mortgage rates.
I suppose the thinking is that this will decrease interbank rates, which will allow the banks to pass on the cut which may stimulate consumer spending, it's another gamble.

lynchbhoy

Quote from: Billys Boots on October 08, 2008, 11:06:16 AM
Quoteyea  it is definately illegal down south banks aren't allowed to send out letters to customers offering pre approved loans to  them

I've been getting a letter inviting me to draw down a pre-approved loan up to the value to €15,000, every month (for at least the last year) from MBNA.  My missus also gets one (almost simultaneously each month) from GE Woodchester for a pre-approved loan up to the value of €10,000.  They haven't stopped coming this month.
I get similar from two other Irish financial institutions

In your case billy, they prob know you will need a top up load to pay for all the 'celebrating' the '50 years of hurt' :D
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orangeman

What is the interbank rate now ??

Mentalman

They were discussing the credit crunch with Nick Lesson of all people on Pat Kenny this morning. His adivce was an immediate drop of interest rates, as close to zero as possible. His reasoning was that they needed to get money flowing between the institutions as fast as possible even at the risk of inflation. To discourage reckless lending he reckoned the bank regulation on lending criteria would need to be monitored extremely closely. So basically it's a desperation measure, nothing else has worked so let's try this as a concerted unified measure. I'd say there will be another few cuts before the market is satisfied.
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Donagh

ISEQ down almost 6% now and the FTSE by almost 5%. Anyone got another trick they'd like to try?

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Quote from: Donagh on October 08, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
ISEQ down almost 6% now and the FTSE by almost 5%. Anyone got another trick they'd like to try?


get on to Laois Lad to give Debbie a ring i'm sure she has a few up sleeve at this stage anything is worth a try ;)
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pintsofguinness

Quote from: Donagh on October 08, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
ISEQ down almost 6% now and the FTSE by almost 5%. Anyone got another trick they'd like to try?
I say write off all debts, mortgages, credit card etc and start again.
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Zapatista

Quote from: Donagh on October 08, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
Anyone got another trick they'd like to try?

Irish people in their millions traipsen back to mass.

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folks, perhaps slightly of topic but could any of ye explain to me the easiest way to buy shares in a company?
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