Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
Ray Houghton by a country mile.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Show being spoiled by Dunphy and Brolly for me..
Dawn Run, Barry McGuigan and Dennis Taylor for me in no particular order
Dawn Run for me too
Quote from: foxcommander on November 09, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Same way James McClean and Martin O'Neill are not eligible when they are dragging their country to the World Cup?
Houghton and McGuigan for me
Seamus Darby by a mile. Strange that a Scots man is going to win it...
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Extremely tainted though
Quote from: foxcommander on November 09, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Snooker is not a sport .
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Michelle Smith should be the '90s winner so if that's the case.
Dennis Taylor getting a few mentions but no word of Hurricane Higgins, strange that or maybe not!!
Ronnie Whelan's goal against the Soviet Union was better. I'd say impossible to decide between Houghton and Darby.
I detest how people think that soccer started in Ireland in the late 80's. As if there were not incredible results got by teams Managed by Touhy, Giles and Hand.
Also the GAA curtailed the development of International games especially in rural areas. One of the most sectarian organisations up to 1971.
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
Ronnie Whelan's goal against the Soviet Union was better. I'd say impossible to decide between Houghton and Darby.
Whelans goal was in a a 1-1 draw v Russia.
Houghton scored Ireland's first ever goal in a major championship and it was against England. It's a vote on Ireland's greatest sporting moment not how good or not a goal was
Darbys goal was great for Offaly, it's nowhere near Ireland's Greatest sporting moment ever. Ridiculous even having it as part of the vote.
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
It was an incredible moment shook the world man. Houghton isnt even from Ireland ffs!
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
It was an incredible moment shook the world man. Houghton isnt even from Ireland ffs!
His dad was though!
OlliE Campbell and Alex Higgins kept the flag flying.
John Fenton's goal v Limerick
Noel Mannion's try v Wales
Mayo winning a match in Croke Park in 89
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
Ronnie Whelan's goal against the Soviet Union was better. I'd say impossible to decide between Houghton and Darby.
Whelans goal was in a a 1-1 draw v Russia.
Houghton scored Ireland's first ever goal in a major championship and it was against England. It's a vote on Ireland's greatest sporting moment not how good or not a goal was
Darbys goal was great for Offaly, it's nowhere near Ireland's Greatest sporting moment ever. Ridiculous even having it as part of the vote.
Perhaps not Ireland's
greatest moment but certainly one of the most iconic sporting memories of the 80s
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 09, 2017, 10:50:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
Ronnie Whelan's goal against the Soviet Union was better. I'd say impossible to decide between Houghton and Darby.
Whelans goal was in a a 1-1 draw v Russia.
Houghton scored Ireland's first ever goal in a major championship and it was against England. It's a vote on Ireland's greatest sporting moment not how good or not a goal was
Darbys goal was great for Offaly, it's nowhere near Ireland's Greatest sporting moment ever. Ridiculous even having it as part of the vote.
Perhaps not Ireland's greatest moment but certainly one of the most iconic sporting memories of the 80s
True,but the show is called Ireland's Greatest sporting moment.
If there is ever a show called Iconic moments in Irish sport then it could be right up there as a contender!
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
Ronnie Whelan's goal against the Soviet Union was better. I'd say impossible to decide between Houghton and Darby.
Whelans goal was in a a 1-1 draw v Russia.
Houghton scored Ireland's first ever goal in a major championship and it was against England. It's a vote on Ireland's greatest sporting moment not how good or not a goal was
Darbys goal was great for Offaly, it's nowhere near Ireland's Greatest sporting moment ever. Ridiculous even having it as part of the vote.
England were disorganised. They were shite.
The Soviet Union were one of the best teams in the tournament. And Ireland played really well. They could have won it.
'Moment' is the key word. Taylor and Darby in that case. Especially Taylor, no moment like that.
Michael Carruth?
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Michelle Smith should be the '90s winner so if that's the case.
Show me a rider who wasn't doping. Show me one in the 90s or 00s who didn't, actually. To compete you had to.
So if you want to make the case he's a cheat you'll have to show me the world class cyclists he was up against who didn't because there was few if any that haven't been implicated or rumours spread about. I think it's pretty obvious now that doping in that sport has been so prevalent that you have to have some perspective when judging achievements.
The Tour de France remains one of the greatest physical and mental challenges in existence and an Irish winner of it will always stand above most other achievements.
Roche was a legendary cyclist while Smith was someone who came out of nowhere and went back to nowhere after 96. Swimming is full of dopers too, but that's a story for another day. I'd say fair fûcks to her, but a few laps of a pool doesn't eclipse what Roche did.
Arconada Armstrong 1982
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
Down beating the team that couldn't be beaten 91 AI final.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
Has to be Michelle Smith.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 09, 2017, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
Down beating the team that couldn't be beaten 91 AI final.
Aka a tired outfit. Doesn't rank at all in my book. Meath actually winning the AI that year would have, though.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.
The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
Not that Leix have ever had anything to shout about.
It is said that when Mandela was released from prison, the first question he asked was: have Leix made it out of Leinster yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Has to be Ireland winning a friendly in Rugby in November against some visiting tour side on a jolly.
Would have Sonia's silver on the list, especially after what had gone before for her
Quote from: LooseCannon on November 09, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
Not that Leix have ever had anything to shout about.
It is said that when Mandela was released from prison, the first question he asked was: have Leix made it out of Leinster yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Eh ok. Weirdo.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
Offaly hurlers 94
Offaly hurlers 98
Quote from: Itchy on November 09, 2017, 11:16:19 PM
Has to be Ireland winning a friendly in Rugby in November against some visiting tour side on a jolly.
As RTÉ are running it a rubby occasion will of course win it - probably their match v England when the cnuts were homeless and had to be bailed out by the despised " GAH".
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
I've never re-watched that fight but my memory from watching it as a kid was that Carruth won by holding the Cuban's long arms for most of the fight and exploiting the scoring system to get a sneaky win against a superior boxer. Would have thought he'd be in there though and would obviously be more deserving than Michelle.
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 09, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Seamus Darby by a mile.
How can that be Ireland's Greatest Sporting moment. Shouldn't even be in the list imo.
Houghton moment a deserved and obvious winner.
Is he not Scottish?
13 not out.
Hard to believe Tyrone's magnificent performance when 2 men down v Derry in Ulster semifinal is not topping that list.
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.
The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
Laois winning Leinster in 2004 was picked up by news media all over the world. It is used in psychology seminars every day. Yes you can.
For the 80s 2 of the standouts were Ronnie Whelan etc winning European Cups with Liverpool and Sean Kelly winning Paris-Nice 6 times in a row.
If we're putting in our favourites I'll give a shout out to Norman Whiteside's delicious curler in extra time in the '85 FA Cup final for 10 man United. Southall was one of the best in the world that time and was left clutching air. Frank Stapleton was playing centre back in place of his mate Kevin Moran who was wrongly sent off for an outrageous dive by Peter Reid. 13 months later the most watched moment of Reid's career was replaced......Different Class!!!!!
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2017, 07:42:32 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.
The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
Laois winning Leinster in 2004 was picked up by news media all over the world. It is used in psychology seminars every day. Yes you can.
Laois didn't win Leinster in 2004 so everyone in those seminars are being sold a lie.
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.
The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
More people regularly watch the all Ireland final than the big international sporting events so the country obviously comes to a standstill for it. Although people aren't directly supporting them people will have great interest in new teams making a breakthrough or in Kerry getting beat for five in a row for example. More interest than someone doing well in a random sport like cycling that they generally would have no interest or knowledge in.
I suppose it comes down to your perception of what they mean by 'Ireland's greatest sporting moment'. Laoislad seems to think it equates to the greatest moment representing Ireland. I think it includes that, but should also include events which happened within Ireland, not necessarily on an International stage. So I'm happy with GAA moments being on the list, because they have resonance with the people of Ireland, and when they happened , absolutely yes the whole country was watching.
For what it's worth, my list from yesterday was Houghton at 1, Seamus at 2, McGuigan at 3, Roche at 4, Coughlan at 5. I just don't like Eamon Coughlan :)
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2017, 07:42:32 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.
The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
Laois winning Leinster in 2004 was picked up by news media all over the world. It is used in psychology seminars every day. Yes you can.
Leix won in 2003
Sure Darby's goal wasn't even voted the greatest Gaa moment of all time. How the hell could it be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment.. ;D
https://youtu.be/dQw2a7Ej_NU
Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Sure Darby's goal wasn't even voted the greatest Gaa moment of all time. How the hell could it be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment.. ;D
https://youtu.be/dQw2a7Ej_NU
that was 1998, so it wasn't eligible for last night :)
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
1990's moments -
O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
My 1st ever All Ireland final experience was to watch Maurice Fitz do his stuff in 97. What an exhibition!
RTE is increasingly becoming watchmojo.com
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Michelle Smith should be the '90s winner so if that's the case.
Show me a rider who wasn't doping. Show me one in the 90s or 00s who didn't, actually. To compete you had to.
So if you want to make the case he's a cheat you'll have to show me the world class cyclists he was up against who didn't because there was few if any that haven't been implicated or rumours spread about. I think it's pretty obvious now that doping in that sport has been so prevalent that you have to have some perspective when judging achievements.
The Tour de France remains one of the greatest physical and mental challenges in existence and an Irish winner of it will always stand above most other achievements.
Roche was a legendary cyclist while Smith was someone who came out of nowhere and went back to nowhere after 96. Swimming is full of dopers too, but that's a story for another day. I'd say fair fûcks to her, but a few laps of a pool doesn't eclipse what Roche did.
so youre ok with Armstrong?
Collins beating Eubank/Benn???
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 10, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
I've never re-watched that fight but my memory from watching it as a kid was that Carruth won by holding the Cuban's long arms for most of the fight and exploiting the scoring system to get a sneaky win against a superior boxer. Would have thought he'd be in there though and would obviously be more deserving than Michelle.
Aye, wayne McCulloughs fight was better even though he lost. Carruths fight was a damp squib.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 10, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 10, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
I've never re-watched that fight but my memory from watching it as a kid was that Carruth won by holding the Cuban's long arms for most of the fight and exploiting the scoring system to get a sneaky win against a superior boxer. Would have thought he'd be in there though and would obviously be more deserving than Michelle.
Aye, wayne McCulloughs fight was better even though he lost. Carruths fight was a damp squib.
Absolute rubbish, Carruth's fight was brilliant from start to finish, beating the Word's nr 1 Hernadez 13 -10 despite only going in level into the last round after being deducted 3 points in the 2nd.
McCullough never looked like winning, he also got badly hurt by some accurate punching, his jaw was broken, he hardly landed a punch of note until the end of the 2nd round and was 10 points behind going into the last,
Casamayor toyed with him in the 3rd. Wayne had a bit of a flurry in the last 30 seconds.
Olympic gold medal is the ultimate and Carruth's gold was a unique magnificent occasion.
Quote from: Main Street on November 10, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 10, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 10, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
I've never re-watched that fight but my memory from watching it as a kid was that Carruth won by holding the Cuban's long arms for most of the fight and exploiting the scoring system to get a sneaky win against a superior boxer. Would have thought he'd be in there though and would obviously be more deserving than Michelle.
Aye, wayne McCulloughs fight was better even though he lost. Carruths fight was a damp squib.
Absolute rubbish, Carruth's fight was brilliant from start to finish, beating the Word's nr 1 Hernadez 13 -10 despite only going in level into the last round after being deducted 3 points in the 2nd.
McCullough never looked like winning, he also got badly hurt by some accurate punching, his jaw was broken, he hardly landed a punch of note until the end of the 2nd round and was 10 points behind going into the last,
Casamayor toyed with him in the 3rd. Wayne had a bit of a flurry in the last 30 seconds.
Olympic gold medal is the ultimate and Carruth's gold was a unique magnificent occasion.
I agree with that, McCullough was brave but not a skilled fighter and got the head bet of him in that final. Carruth was much more skilled and clever and tactically he won that fight against a great fighter.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2017, 08:31:32 AM
I suppose it comes down to your perception of what they mean by 'Ireland's greatest sporting moment'. Laoislad seems to think it equates to the greatest moment representing Ireland. I think it includes that, but should also include events which happened within Ireland, not necessarily on an International stage. So I'm happy with GAA moments being on the list, because they have resonance with the people of Ireland, and when they happened , absolutely yes the whole country was watching.
For what it's worth, my list from yesterday was Houghton at 1, Seamus at 2, McGuigan at 3, Roche at 4, Coughlan at 5. I just don't like Eamon Coughlan :)
What about Offaly''s first hurling all Ireland in 81? Jaysus.
I remember being in CP in 83 when the crowd reacted to news of Coughlan''s win.
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
80s was best decade for music and sport - maybe one inspired t'other?
Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Sure Darby's goal wasn't even voted the greatest Gaa moment of all time. How the hell could it be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment.. ;D
https://youtu.be/dQw2a7Ej_NU
Did you see what was phone voted number 1? Some aul point by Galway in 1998 All Ireland final they won easy, wasn't even the winning point. Phones west of the Shannon were red hot that nite ::)
Quote from: longballin on November 10, 2017, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Sure Darby's goal wasn't even voted the greatest Gaa moment of all time. How the hell could it be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment.. ;D
https://youtu.be/dQw2a7Ej_NU
Did you see what was phone voted number 1? Some aul point by Galway in 1998 All Ireland final they won easy, wasn't even the winning point. Phones west of the Shannon were red hot that nite ::)
Not in Mayo they weren't :D
Quote from: ashman on November 09, 2017, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on November 09, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Snooker is not a sport .
I agree, horse racing either.
Quote from: Rudi on November 10, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: ashman on November 09, 2017, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on November 09, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Snooker is not a sport .
I agree, horse racing either.
Seriously? How do you define a sport?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 10, 2017, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 09, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 09, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Michelle Smith should be the '90s winner so if that's the case.
Show me a rider who wasn't doping. Show me one in the 90s or 00s who didn't, actually. To compete you had to.
So if you want to make the case he's a cheat you'll have to show me the world class cyclists he was up against who didn't because there was few if any that haven't been implicated or rumours spread about. I think it's pretty obvious now that doping in that sport has been so prevalent that you have to have some perspective when judging achievements.
The Tour de France remains one of the greatest physical and mental challenges in existence and an Irish winner of it will always stand above most other achievements.
Roche was a legendary cyclist while Smith was someone who came out of nowhere and went back to nowhere after 96. Swimming is full of dopers too, but that's a story for another day. I'd say fair fûcks to her, but a few laps of a pool doesn't eclipse what Roche did.
so youre ok with Armstrong?
I'm not ok with how he treated his teammate and others, and he seems like a dick (a fascinating one, but a dick all the same) but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he didn't win seven Tour de Frances either, like the UCI want to do.
Cycling has been so drug-fuelled to try to throw out any achievements really misses the bigger picture. The UCI themselves aided and abetted it in many high profile cases.
There's a damn good reason they never retroactively awarded Armstrong's titles to other cyclists - they were doped to the gills too.
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Roche's is definitely the greatest achievement, if not the greatest moment.
Michelle Smith should be the '90s winner so if that's the case.
Show me a rider who wasn't doping. Show me one in the 90s or 00s who didn't, actually. To compete you had to.
So if you want to make the case he's a cheat you'll have to show me the world class cyclists he was up against who didn't because there was few if any that haven't been implicated or rumours spread about. I think it's pretty obvious now that doping in that sport has been so prevalent that you have to have some perspective when judging achievements.
The Tour de France remains one of the greatest physical and mental challenges in existence and an Irish winner of it will always stand above most other achievements.
Roche was a legendary cyclist while Smith was someone who came out of nowhere and went back to nowhere after 96. Swimming is full of dopers too, but that's a story for another day. I'd say fair fûcks to her, but a few laps of a pool doesn't eclipse what Roche did.
so youre ok with Armstrong?
I'm not ok with how he treated his teammate and others, and he seems like a dick (a fascinating one, but a dick all the same) but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he didn't win seven Tour de Frances either, like the UCI want to do.
Cycling has been so drug-fuelled to try to throw out any achievements really misses the bigger picture. The UCI themselves aided and abetted it in many high profile cases.
There's a damn good reason they never retroactively awarded Armstrong's titles to other cyclists - they were doped to the gills too.
I kind of feel the same. He still had to put the hours in and do the training. It's not as if just taking the PEDs means you are automatically brilliant
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The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
Not my era but just watched it - Maybe a silly question but why no black runners on the podium - Did they not compete in Marathons then?
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Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
Not my era but just watched it - Maybe a silly question but why no black runners on the podium - Did they not compete in Marathons then?
Don't care enough about the Olympics to know who won in the other years, but Ethopia were amongst the countries boycotting the US Olympics that year.
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Focusing on the 1980s tonight.
Top 5 are;
- Barry McGuigan
- Eamon Coghlan
- Ray Houghtons Euro 88 goal
- Stephen Roche Tour win
- seamus Darby AI winning goal 82
No mention of Dennis Taylor's world championship win in 1985. Surely that's Ireland's greatest sporting moment of the 1980s?
For some folk Dennis Taylor would not be eligible.
Snooker is not a sport .
I agree, horse racing either.
Seriously? How do you define a sport?
Nah id have horse racing as a sport. Snooker is just a game though... like poker or darts.
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80s was best decade for music and sport - maybe one inspired t'other?
That whole "new romantic" ballix rules the 80s out in terms of music IMO
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That whole "new romantic" ballix rules the 80s out in terms of music IMO
Don't you want me, baby? Don't you want me? Oh!
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Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
Me too.
Mind you a lot of people think Charlie Haughley winning the Tour de France was up there too😀
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Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
Me too.
Mind you a lot of people think Charlie Haughley winning the Tour de France was up there too😀
;D
Missed Thursdays show from the 90s.
What were the top 5?
Italia 90
USA 94 (Ray Houghton)
Clare 95
Sonia O'Sullivan World Champ
Michael Carruth
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Italia 90
USA 94 (Ray Houghton)
Clare 95
Sonia O'Sullivan World Champ
Michael Carruth.
Italia 90 was a failure as was USA 94, for me it has to be O'Sullivan or Carruth with the nod going to Carruth.
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Quote from: laoislad on November 10, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
The biggest omission from last nights show was John Tracey winning silver in the Marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Made all the better by Jimmy Magee's commentary as he came to the finish line. That was a great moment in Irish Sport and deserved to be on the list.
An Irishman coming anywhere near the medals in an Olympic marathon is probaly impossible nowadays.
Couldn't agree more. Jimmy Magee's commentary was the stuff of legend. Makes the hair stand on the back of my neck thinking of it.
He finished second ffs! Great achievement however given the fact Ireland did not win gold should disqualify anyone from winning our greatest sporting moment.
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He finished second ffs! Great achievement however given the fact Ireland did not win gold should disqualify anyone from winning our greatest sporting moment.
Not to mention the fact that Ireland's greatest sporting moment is as real a competition as big brother.
Quote from: stew on November 18, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
Italia 90
USA 94 (Ray Houghton)
Clare 95
Sonia O'Sullivan World Champ
Michael Carruth.
Italia 90 was a failure as was USA 94, for me it has to be O'Sullivan or Carruth with the nod going to Carruth.
Italia 90 was a partial success. Though if Ireland had qualified in 1958 or 1982 as they should have, it wouldn't have had the same novelty.
Sonia O'Sullivan never crowned her career with an Olympic gold though. She got the tactics wrong in 1992 to finish 4th and had a very distressing meltdown in 1996 when she should have cleaning up. There was no question of her ability, but her big race temperament was suspect at times.
Carruth didn't pull up any trees in the pro game. It all depends how much people value achievements in amateur boxing, I suppose.
Quote from: Boycey on November 18, 2017, 11:06:01 AM
Italia 90
USA 94 (Ray Houghton)
Clare 95
Sonia O'Sullivan World Champ
Michael Carruth
Few surprises there. Not sure about Italia 90, hardly a 'moment'. O'Learys penalty was a memorable moment though. As was Carruth.
Edit: was that the order they were voted 1-5?
60's and 70's tonight...
Down bringing Sam North in 1960 worth a mention.
Jez will they ever give the Kerry v Dublin '77 hype a rest!
Did McGuigan threaten to sue RTE too? Piss poor stuff issuing an apology for what was just an opinion.
RTE afraid of being too interesting, as usual. A Dumphy/Broly podcast would be some craic.
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60's and 70's tonight...
Down bringing Sam North in 1960 worth a mention.
They have used the ''its was not televised'' as the excuse not to use it!
Can't understand through all these sporting events, Padraig Harrington or Rory McIlroy's major wins haven't made it??
No Hurricane Higgins winning the world title!
No Galway three in a row!
Golf is not sport - just commercial business stuff.
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Golf is not sport - just commercial business stuff.
Same with Horse Racing!
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Golf is not sport - just commercial business stuff.
Same with Horse Racing!
Complete balls boys. Complete balls. Golf is probably the no.1 sport in the world. The most recognisable sports star of the last 100 years...Tiger Woods....sport that vast majority of athletes turn to after they retire....golf....
As for Horse racing, I think it is a sport.
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Golf is not sport - just commercial business stuff.
Same with Horse Racing!
Complete balls boys. Complete balls. Golf is probably the no.1 sport in the world. The most recognisable sports star of the last 100 years...Tiger Woods....sport that vast majority of athletes turn to after they retire....golf....
As for Horse racing, I think it is a sport.
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Golf is not sport - just commercial business stuff.
Same with Horse Racing!
Complete balls boys. Complete balls. Golf is probably the no.1 sport in the world. The most recognisable sports star of the last 100 years...Tiger Woods....sport that vast majority of athletes turn to after they retire....golf....
As for Horse racing, I think it is a sport.
Muhammad Ali, if he were alive would disagree with you, as would Pele, Maradonna and Best.
I love golf, I am decent at it and I have the utmost respect for its rules and the fact players get to call foul on themselves when the occasion arises, it is a wonderful game and not just commercial stuff pimped by the ignorant rossie commie !
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
Golf is a brilliant sport both to play and watch.The back 9 of a Major on a Sunday can be as tense and exciting as any big sporting event/final if not more so.
Harrington's Open wins, especially his approach shot to the 17th at The Open in 2008, is right up there with any of the great Irish sporting moments.
Now I know why Yankee right wing nut job Stew has ended up like he is -GOLF!!!!!
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
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Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
Yeah put the top 10 golfers in the world against the top 10 darts players in any kind of fitness test and see how you go . . .
What an absolutely stupid comment even for you Syf!!
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Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
Yeah put the top 10 golfers in the world against the top 10 darts players in any kind of fitness test and see how you go . . .
What an absolutely stupid comment even for you Syf!!
an absolute classic............. try putting jon Rahm in a bleep test against phil taylor
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Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
Yeah put the top 10 golfers in the world against the top 10 darts players in any kind of fitness test and see how you go . . .
What an absolutely stupid comment even for you Syf!!
an absolute classic............. try putting jon Rahm in a bleep test against phil taylor
I have I just come up with the new hit reality TV Show?? Darts Players vs Golfers??!!
Comment: Teletubbies for sports fans - RTÉ's Greatest Sporting Moment an infantile regression to supposedly happier times
'Ronnie Delany's Olympic gold medal in '56, arguably the greatest sporting achievement ever by an Irishman, doesn't exist in this fairytale.'
Tommy Conlon
November 27 2017 7:30 AM
It is seemingly a human necessity to return incessantly to the past, and find some comfort there amid the sea of troubles that comes with living in the present.
But if you spend too much time wandering around memory lane, you will soon enough find yourself in a cul-de-sac. Nostalgia may be a pleasant escape but it is not a solution: the here and now will be waiting for you with a bucket of cold water once your blissful reverie is over.
Worse still, these sentimental picnics can easily deceive you into thinking that yesterday will always be better than today. Maybe this is another basic human trait, the need to put some distance on our days in order to appreciate them. But if the stuff of living needs the benediction of time before being cherished, it seems like a bit of a waste all round. Ideally we are supposed to appreciate it while it's happening, not waiting for it to glow in our memory years later.
Anyway, we are suckers for the sentimental journey with all its cheap seductions and romantic aversions to reality. The truth back then is always an early casualty of these sunlit jaunts. We remember the daisies but not the pismires, the day at the seaside but not the wretched drive home.
One is nostalgia, the other is history. RTE's major current production from its sports department is heavy on the former and light on the latter. Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment is one enormous heap of self-indulgence and self-congratulation. It is Enid Blyton on steroids, Teletubbies for sports fans, an infantile regression to supposedly happier and simpler times. It is a big-budget folly of back-slapping and cheerleading, a children's birthday party of treats and sweets dressed up in tricolours and patriotic emotion.
To sustain the fantasy, reality must not intrude. So the selective editing of anything unpleasant begins with the premise itself. Obviously, it is not Ireland's greatest sporting moment that is being "celebrated" but the national broadcaster's.
RTE's television life began in late 1961 so, for the purposes of this exercise, the history of Irish sport only begins in this decade. The previous half-century and more has been erased. Ronnie Delany's Olympic gold medal in '56, arguably the greatest sporting achievement ever by an Irishman, doesn't exist in this fairytale. It can't be included if RTE wasn't there to cover it. The back-slapping and cheerleading is first and foremost for itself.
The series is mounted over five one-hour episodes covering 1962-2012. It is therefore not so much a stroll down memory lane as a marathon excursion into its comforting backwaters. Inevitably with such an extravagant wallow, complacent myths are perpetuated at every turn. The most abiding of these is our self-designation as a great sporting nation.
And yet, so few are our achievements on the world stage that virtually all the highlights selected for inclusion are old hat by now. We have seen them all before, over and over and over. They've been done to death, talked to death, drank to death. The tapes are in danger of exhaustion from over-exposure. Houghton, Sonia, Treacy, McGuigan, Carruth, Roche and Dawn Run; the tries, the goals, the homecomings. Seen it once, seen it a thousand times.
This production is old wine in new bottles. It is a festival of self-congratulation that reflects the delusions about our wider sporting culture. Everything from its governance to its infrastructure to its education policy has been second rate from the founding of the state. In reality it is a story of neglect and mediocrity, compounded by the self-satisfied myths which TV shows like this only serve to perpetuate.
Ireland has won 31 Olympic medals over 21 summer Olympiads. A common explanation for this paltry return is the dominance of Gaelic games.
New Zealand has a population of 4.7 million. The dominant sport there is rugby union. New Zealand has won 117 Olympic medals across 23 summer Olympiads, including 46 gold. They won 18 medals alone at the Rio games in 2016; Ireland won two. All this while the All Blacks have continued to set the standard in world rugby for most of a century, and whilst maintaining a competitive international cricket team too.
Let's remind ourselves of another familiar comparator country. Denmark has a population of 5.7 million. Its tally of Olympic medals? 194. In passing, their national football team managed to win the European Championships in 1992.
Measured against these facts and stats, Ireland's total is borderline embarrassing. Measured against a comparable TV show in Denmark or New Zealand, Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment becomes a risible indulgence. It is one thing to look back over a century of outstanding international achievements, as Denmark and New Zealand would be entitled to do, but quite another to celebrate Ireland's thin gruel like it is a royal banquet of greatness. For far too long there has been far too little to celebrate.
After it is finished its prolonged waltz with nostalgia, RTE might consider taking the hard road. It might tell the story of those sportsmen and women who, in aspiring towards excellence, were faced by economic impoverishment, institutional ignorance, and usually exile too. The first thing most of them did was to get the hell out of Ireland.
You wouldn't know it from this show, but for every good day, back in the day, there was a thousand bad ones. They are buried somewhere on memory lane too.
Spot on
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
If there was an award for Ireland's Biggest spoofer - you'd win in a landslide
Great and truthful article there Declan!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
Great and truthful article there Declan!
Sounds like a grumpy aul fcuker if you ask me.
The Journo not Declan...
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Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
Yeah put the top 10 golfers in the world against the top 10 darts players in any kind of fitness test and see how you go . . .
What an absolutely stupid comment even for you Syf!!
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Apologies in the form of emojiis only, thanks.
There's an awful lot of little man syndrome on this forum, get nasty in lieu of saying any of substance.
QuoteSounds like a grumpy aul fcuker if you ask me.
The Journo not Declan...
Thanks LL ;)
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Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Go back to sleep.
Darts is a far more entertaining sport than golf and they require similar levels of fitness.
man in the know there!
Yeah put the top 10 golfers in the world against the top 10 darts players in any kind of fitness test and see how you go . . .
What an absolutely stupid comment even for you Syf!!
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Apologies in the form of emojiis only, thanks.
There's an awful lot of little man syndrome on this forum, get nasty in lieu of saying any of substance.
Montgomery outside the top 1500 in the world is a really valid one to use alright............
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
Apologies in the form of emojiis only, thanks.
There's an awful lot of little man syndrome on this forum, get nasty in lieu of saying any of substance.
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Right we'll compare the greatest golfer of the last 20 years (Tiger Woods) with the greatest darts player (Phil Taylor)....need I go on?? Anyone who says golf isn't a sport is only saying so because they were no good at it.
Far be it for me to side with Connacht's idiot in chief but for anyone to say darts or snooker aren't sports is just ridiculous.
Unless your definition of a sport is something which requires athletic fitness. In which case, I'm sorry, but golf is gone too.
what is a 'sport' though?
Genuinely interested in a few lads opinions on here. For the record I think all activities mentioned so far are sports.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
Great and truthful article there Declan!
I stopped reading about two paragraphs in. I see no reason to listen to such a miserable old git who can't see the joy in anything.
Quote from: bamboo on November 28, 2017, 06:16:28 PM
what is a 'sport' though?
Genuinely interested in a few lads opinions on here. For the record I think all activities mentioned so far are sports.
IMO, anything which involves the performance of a physical activity in a competitive environment. People always counter with the inevitable 'if darts is a sport, so is chess/poker' which is horse manure. Any game where a proxy could perform the physical task for you and not violate the rules of the game is out. An online game of chess or poker is every bit as valid as one where the opponents are in the same room. The same isn't true of snooker.
Incidentally, this also means that competitive dancing is a sport, which I have no issue with. After all, competitive dancing on an ice rink is one of the flagship events in the Winter Olympics.
You'd want to tell the International Olympic Committee Chess isn't a sport.
Sports are just games with a different label, and most games can be sports. E-sports is the fastest growing segment in sports for Christsakes.
This is the same well of silliness that produces endless 'is X art?' arguments. Spend your time in life thinking something more gratifying and worthwhile than semantics.
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
You'd want to tell the International Olympic Committee Chess isn't a sport.
Sports are just games with a different label, and most games can be sports. E-sports is the fastest growing segment in sports for Christsakes.
This is the same well of silliness that produces endless 'is X art?' arguments. Spend your time in life thinking something more gratifying and worthwhile than semantics.
See my original comment on this thread.
McGregors KO of Aldo.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
McGregors KO of Aldo.
thought you were going to say his attempted KO in the Black Forge Sunday night........
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
McGregors KO of Aldo.
That will have to wait until we are assessing Ireland's best scriptwriters .
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
McGregors KO of Aldo.
That will have to wait until we are assessing Ireland's best scriptwriters .
I don't think that quip was as good in reality as it must have sounded in your head.
I'm just saying...darts and snooker aren't sports. Any sport that is predominantly practiced and played in a bar sadly dont make the cut in Donald's eyes
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
Some of the best golfers in the world resemble the Michelin Man, AZ.
Sure, some try to take their fitness seriously to get an advantage but it's far less of an impediment to high level play being a fat fúcker in golf than other sports. Darts players could similarly benefit from better fitness too.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
Some of the best golfers in the world resemble the Michelin Man, AZ.
Sure, some try to take their fitness seriously to get an advantage but it's far less of an impediment to high level play being a fat fúcker in golf than other sports. Darts players could similarly benefit from better fitness too.
Syf, do us a favour my google isn't working right...check the top 20 golfers in the world and squint your eyes to see if you can imagine their body fat...do the same with the top 20 darts players and squint your eyes and see if you can guess how many pints they had at training today.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
And some posters here are shit-stirring assholes
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Quote from: Syferus on November 29, 2017, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
Some of the best golfers in the world resemble the Michelin Man, AZ.
Sure, some try to take their fitness seriously to get an advantage but it's far less of an impediment to high level play being a fat fúcker in golf than other sports. Darts players could similarly benefit from better fitness too.
Syf, do us a favour my google isn't working right...check the top 20 golfers in the world and squint your eyes to see if you can imagine their body fat...do the same with the top 20 darts players and squint your eyes and see if you can guess how many pints they had at training today.
The only ones you could argue that are carrying any timber would be Matsuyama, Leishman and Perez
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Splitting hairs in fairness. I think any form of competition that requires a defined skillset is a sport. It doesn't equate to athleticism in my eyes.
That said, I don't think you can say darts players are as athletic as golfers :) Golfers actually have to do gym work, whereas some darts players are called Jim.
I heard some yank newscasters pontificate about this a while ago. They were talking about Nascar. They said "if you can eat while doing it, it's not a sport." Bloody eejits.
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2000-12 on now. Spoilt for choice tonight. Not.
Katie bloody taylor is there, yet Michelle Smith with 3 gold and a bronze couldn't even make it. Mad, Ted.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Katie bloody taylor is there, yet Michelle Smith with 3 gold and a bronze couldn't even make it. Mad, Ted.
Ireland's greatest sportsman is in there....either if you say Padraig Harrington or Henry Shefflin
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Katie bloody taylor is there, yet Michelle Smith with 3 gold and a bronze couldn't even make it. Mad, Ted.
wonder why Michelle isn't there ::)
Quote from: longballin on November 30, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Katie bloody taylor is there, yet Michelle Smith with 3 gold and a bronze couldn't even make it. Mad, Ted.
wonder why Michelle isn't there ::)
I meant on the 90s show of course
At least none of that rugby shite won tonight.
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
I'd agree on both counts.
The hype rugby gets in this country is unbelievable.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 01, 2017, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
I'd agree on both counts.
The hype rugby gets in this country is unbelievable.
Yea, remember there was an ad (Guinness I think) that said 'this is rugby country' ffs.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
I'm not a rugby fan and soccer is a much bigger sport than rugby but surely the Irish team winning a grand slam is bigger than an Irish player scoring an equalising goal in a World Cup match? They didn't even win the game.
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
I'm not a rugby fan and soccer is a much bigger sport than rugby but surely the Irish team winning a grand slam is bigger than an Irish player scoring an equalising goal in a World Cup match? They didn't even win the game.
In my opinion, a man winning a wife carrying world title is bigger than any rugby achievement.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 01, 2017, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Surely Robbie Keane's goal in the World Cup against Germany in 2002 was a greater moment than all of those?
Football is a global sport, it's mad the way the free state media constantly attempt to overegg the achievements of the egg chasers in an 8 nation sport (who have never made it past the last 8 in its pinnacle tournament).
I'm not a rugby fan and soccer is a much bigger sport than rugby but surely the Irish team winning a grand slam is bigger than an Irish player scoring an equalising goal in a World Cup match? They didn't even win the game.
In my opinion, a man winning a wife carrying world title is bigger than any rugby achievement.
and more exciting than most of GAA county football and the big chess soccer... zzz
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 30, 2017, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Katie bloody taylor is there, yet Michelle Smith with 3 gold and a bronze couldn't even make it. Mad, Ted.
Ireland's greatest sportsman is in there....either if you say Padraig Harrington or Henry Shefflin
Harrington yes, -- Shefflin, overrated.
Over the period since WW2 I would say the most significant event in Irish sport was Down winning the All Ireland in 1960. It was politically significant beyond its sporting importance. Since then teams from the occupied territories have won Sam 9
8 other times. The establishment of Northern Ireland was an attempt to overwrite history and culture. Down said "f**k youse". And they did it with such panache. They also gave people in the north something to be proud about. As well as a template for excellence.
Tyrone would not have won anything if Kerry had won in 1960.
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Late entry but the current DUP implosion must be right up there.
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
not if your from Tyrone ;D
Quote from: longballin on December 01, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
not if your from Tyrone ;D
I think both Armagh and Tyrone's AIs are contenders objectively for the best moment of the decade, but obviously if you're from either county it wouldn't even be close.
The soccer lads didn't do much in that decade, and Kenny Egan and the horse doper would have been our most prominent Olympians. Egan was absolutely robbed in the Olympic final but that's neither here nor there.
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 01, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
not if your from Tyrone ;D
I think both Armagh and Tyrone's AIs are contenders objectively for the best moment of the decade, but obviously if you're from either county it wouldn't even be close.
The soccer lads didn't do much in that decade, and Kenny Egan and the horse doper would have been our most prominent Olympians. Egan was absolutely robbed in the Ilympic final but that's neither here nor there.
aye the Grand Slam was great
For me the greatest sporting moment of the greatest sporting moment was Harrington's chipped approach to the 18th in that final round. Having been in the water twice on the hole, and looking like he had done a 'Devon Loch', he still had the presence of mind to hit it dead and minimise the damage with a double-bogey. Ultimately it saved the day for him.
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
For west brits it was ;)
Quote from: foxcommander on December 01, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
For west brits it was ;)
an All Ireland team unlike Martin O'Neill (OBE) team?
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
Great to see I'm not alone in my distaste of that abomination of a game called rugby union football.
Rugby gets hyped because the media bigwigs in Dublin all attended the snooty colleges.
Can't stand the f**king game.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2017, 04:42:32 PM
Great to see I'm not alone in my distaste of that abomination of a game called rugby union football.
I think it's OK apart from the concussion and the drugs
Quote from: BennyCake on December 01, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
Rugby gets hyped because the media bigwigs in Dublin all attended the snooty colleges.
Can't stand the f**king game.
Aye, them snooty f**kers like Sean O'Brien, Peter O'Mahony, Darren Sweetnam and Tadhg Furlong. Toffee nose gits the lot of them.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
2000-12 on now. Spoilt for choice tonight. Not.
Are they doing a 2013-2017
Laois beating Armagh,giving them a replay and then beating them again must surely be a contender...
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2017, 05:34:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 01, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
Rugby gets hyped because the media bigwigs in Dublin all attended the snooty colleges.
Can't stand the f**king game.
Aye, them snooty f**kers like Sean O'Brien, Peter O'Mahony, Darren Sweetnam and Tadhg Furlong. Toffee nose gits the lot of them.
They're players not media.
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2017, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
2000-12 on now. Spoilt for choice tonight. Not.
Are they doing a 2013-2017
Laois beating Armagh,giving them a replay and then beating them again must surely be a contender...
Only in your head.
Derval O'Rourke was a total farce in that last show. Wasn't much better in the 90's one
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2017, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 30, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
2000-12 on now. Spoilt for choice tonight. Not.
Are they doing a 2013-2017
Laois beating Armagh,giving them a replay and then beating them again must surely be a contender...
Us relegating ye was surely better, not that either of us have much to shout about.
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on December 01, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Derval O'Rourke was a total farce in that last show. Wasn't much better in the 90's one
That O'Gara bollix was mindnumbingly boring the week before.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Any big soccer occasion (Italia 90, Euro 88, Keanes goal 02 etc) far outweighs any rugby moment for me. Soccer is played more, on the street, schools etc. As you say, most have no association with rugby yet seem to be obsessed with it. Odd association indeed.
Its nearly like people attend big rugby games because they're being told it's the "thing" to do, like going to a Bouncy Knowles or Ned Sheehan concert, or whoever head case belts out annoying noise these days.
Is boxing big? Are many people involved in it relative to soccer or G.A.A? Should that reduce the significance of Michael Carruth's gold medal?
Again, I don't see why the reason a sport is so popular should take away from the achievement.
I am a sunshine Ireland Rugby supporter. I like to see us win. I'm happy when we win. I want us every year to win the Triple Crown, 6 Nations or Grand Slam. I'm not a die hard supporter.
It will never have the same feeling for me as the National Soccer team or more importantly my home county in Gaelic football. But I would still take pride in any Irish Rugby achievement.
Rugby is hyped to the hill by the D4 crew in RTE, but that does not give me a reason to despise or belittle it. There are great, passionate people who give their free time for like sports like rugby who deserve recognition for their efforts.
As for it's National and International popularity of the game. One can only dance with the Girls in the Hall. And as GAA people we should more so realise this.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 02, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
I am a sunshine Ireland Rugby supporter. I like to see us win. I'm happy when we win. I want us every year to win the Triple Crown, 6 Nations or Grand Slam. I'm not a die hard supporter.
It will never have the same feeling for me as the National Soccer team or more importantly my home county in Gaelic football. But I would still take pride in any Irish Rugby achievement.
Rugby is hyped to the hill by the D4 crew in RTE, but that does not give me a reason to despise or belittle it. There are great, passionate people who give their free time for like sports like rugby who deserve recognition for their efforts.
As for it's National and International popularity of the game. One can only dance with the Girls in the Hall. And as GAA people we should more so realise this.
That's not why I despise it. I despise it because it is a bloody stupid game.
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 02, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Is boxing big? Are many people involved in it relative to soccer or G.A.A? Should that reduce the significance of Michael Carruth's gold medal?
Again, I don't see why the reason a sport is so popular should take away from the achievement.
I boxed when I was younger, there was a boxing club in the community and most lads my age gave it a crack at some stage. I'm not sure about down the South but boxing clubs are very prominent in nationalist communities around the O6.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 02, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 02, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
I am a sunshine Ireland Rugby supporter. I like to see us win. I'm happy when we win. I want us every year to win the Triple Crown, 6 Nations or Grand Slam. I'm not a die hard supporter.
It will never have the same feeling for me as the National Soccer team or more importantly my home county in Gaelic football. But I would still take pride in any Irish Rugby achievement.
Rugby is hyped to the hill by the D4 crew in RTE, but that does not give me a reason to despise or belittle it. There are great, passionate people who give their free time for like sports like rugby who deserve recognition for their efforts.
As for it's National and International popularity of the game. One can only dance with the Girls in the Hall. And as GAA people we should more so realise this.
That's not why I despise it. I despise it because it is a bloody stupid game.
+1
A game where a ball is passed to a teammate who deliberately kicks it out of play followed by delirious cheering.
Odd.
If you broke most sports down to basic principles, if not all sports, they sound stupid.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2017, 01:57:56 PM
If you broke most sports down to basic principles, if not all sports, they sound stupid.
Not really.
Rugby is another level of stupidity.
Take the scrum and lineouts for ridiculous restart methods to a game in isolation.
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 02, 2017, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
You say the Six Nations is contains six of the top ten teams in the world?
Only 8 countries take rugby anywhere remotely seriously so when you're one of those teams it's not in anyway difficult to be competing at the top end. Ireland winning the 6 nations is not that great an achievement.
Ireland qualifying for a World Cup in soccer or major international tournament is a greater achievement quite easily as hundreds of countries, most much, much bigger than Ireland do take it seriously.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2017, 02:17:52 PM
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
You say the Six Nations is contains six of the top ten teams in the world?
Only 8 countries take rugby anywhere remotely seriously so when you're one of those teams it's not in anyway difficult to be competing at the top end. Ireland winning the 6 nations is not that great an achievement.
Ireland qualifying for a World Cup in soccer or major international tournament is a greater achievement quite easily as hundreds of countries, most much, much bigger than Ireland do take it seriously.
I'm thinking you add New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina and you have the Top 10. Am I missing someone?
So if there was a soccer tournament that had the best six teams in the world and one of them won all five games in it for the first time in 50 years (?) then I'd say it was a pretty good achievement.
You're comparing Ireland's soccer team qualifying for the World Cup of 32 teams, when they're ranked up and around the Top 50 (I think) to the rugby team beating ALL five teams, who are five of the top ten teams in the world.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
You say the Six Nations is contains six of the top ten teams in the world?
Only 8 countries take rugby anywhere remotely seriously so when you're one of those teams it's not in anyway difficult to be competing at the top end. Ireland winning the 6 nations is not that great an achievement.
Ireland qualifying for a World Cup in soccer or major international tournament is a greater achievement quite easily as hundreds of countries, most much, much bigger than Ireland do take it seriously.
Well said. I dont see the hoo hah about winning the odd tournament thats played annually between 6 teams (with up to 2 of your 5 opponents basically cannon fodder).
The northie hatred of one of the only genuinely significant all-Ireland representative sport here has always been a little amusing. Trying to navigate all these contradictions in terms would require a high-powered radar.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
You say the Six Nations is contains six of the top ten teams in the world?
Only 8 countries take rugby anywhere remotely seriously so when you're one of those teams it's not in anyway difficult to be competing at the top end. Ireland winning the 6 nations is not that great an achievement.
Ireland qualifying for a World Cup in soccer or major international tournament is a greater achievement quite easily as hundreds of countries, most much, much bigger than Ireland do take it seriously.
I'm thinking you add New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina and you have the Top 10. Am I missing someone?
So if there was a soccer tournament that had the best six teams in the world and one of them won all five games in it for the first time in 50 years (?) then I'd say it was a pretty good achievement.
You're comparing Ireland's soccer team qualifying for the World Cup of 32 teams, when they're ranked up and around the Top 50 (I think) to the rugby team beating ALL five teams, who are five of the top ten teams in the world.
And in that top 10 you have two countries (Italy and Argentina) who don't really care all that much about rugby. They are sports who have little appeal to the ordinary persons there.
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
The northie hatred of one of the only genuine all-Ireland representative sports here has always been a little amusing. Trying to navigate all these contradictions in terms would require a high-powered radar.
The West Brit love-in with the pre-eminent British sport, played almost exclusively by current and former British commonwealth nations is very amusing.
Personally I would have issue with supporting a national team who supported apartheid South Africa back in the day but if you're happy to cheerlead institutionalised racism, then so be it.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Just to be clear, I have virtually no interest in rugby but I can appreciate the skill in the game. I don't care why it's popular but it is. If people love it as a spectator sport and aren't involved in the game at any level then so be it.
Ireland have competed in the five/six nations for a long time. It's a tough competition as I suspect that it contains six of the top ten teams in the World in it. Winning the grand slam in it is a great achievement. If it wasn't it would have been done more recently than it was.
I don't see how Keane's goal can be considered anywhere close to it. We didn't see Quinn's equaliser against Holland in 1990s contest and it seems to be pretty much the same achievement. Does Ireland's draw with Russia in '88 gain much attention apart from the fantastic goal? I don't think so because it was a draw, in a group game which ultimately achieved nothing.
You say the Six Nations is contains six of the top ten teams in the world?
Only 8 countries take rugby anywhere remotely seriously so when you're one of those teams it's not in anyway difficult to be competing at the top end. Ireland winning the 6 nations is not that great an achievement.
Ireland qualifying for a World Cup in soccer or major international tournament is a greater achievement quite easily as hundreds of countries, most much, much bigger than Ireland do take it seriously.
Well said. I dont see the hoo hah about winning the odd tournament thats played annually between 6 teams (with up to 2 of your 5 opponents basically cannon fodder).
It would basically be like Roscommon (or Mayo) celebrating Ballaghaderreen winning a Connacht cricket title as their greatest sporting achievement this decade.
Joe's not happy.........
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/joe-brolly-slams-rte-for-apology-over-his-barry-mcguigan-criticism-36384721.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/joe-brolly-slams-rte-for-apology-over-his-barry-mcguigan-criticism-36384721.html)
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Joe's not happy.........
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/joe-brolly-slams-rte-for-apology-over-his-barry-mcguigan-criticism-36384721.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/joe-brolly-slams-rte-for-apology-over-his-barry-mcguigan-criticism-36384721.html)
He's right it's just opinion and people too easily offended these days.
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
I personally don't see what the big deal is with letting the IRFU use Croker. My best memory of sport in Croker is probably the night of the 125 celebration in , it was a great night and made you feel proud of what the GAA stood for. I've said it earlier and I'll say it again, Harrington's major win in 07 is going to win this. Arguably Ireland's greatest sporting achievement on a personal level and there's no allegations of doping, cheating, ill-will and as a bigger plus he's not Barry the brit.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
It's voted for by the public. There were a few GAA moments to be voted for but didn't get enough votes so maybe you should have voted for them.
Italia 90 is easily the standout moment in Irish Sporting history anyway. I would be surprised if it doesn't win easily.
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Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
It's voted for by the public. There were a few GAA moments to be voted for but didn't get enough votes so maybe you should have voted for them.
Italia 90 is easily the standout moment in Irish Sporting history anyway. I would be surprised if it doesn't win easily.
Yes but I don't think the original 5 options from each era were chosen by the public.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
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It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
Ireland have never won the major prize in rugby, in fact they've never even made in past the last 8.
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Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
soccer because everyone went on the lash and sang ole ole...
I believe the last 4 are Italia 90 and Germany 1988 from Soccery stuff
Harrington from golf and a fkn friendly rubby match
Unless something bizarre happens this will all amount to the media yet again saying 'Remember Italia 90? Wasn't it grand?'
A series that dedicated each episode to a given moment and interviewing those involved would have been much better viewing.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 07, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 07, 2017, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
Ireland have never won the major prize in rugby, in fact they've never even made in past the last 8.
And in soccer they've won what? I get that you don't like rugby, neither do I. But your arguments make no sense to me.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 07, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
Ireland have never won the major prize in rugby, in fact they've never even made in past the last 8.
And in soccer they've won what? I get that you don't like rugby, neither do I. But your arguments make no sense to me.
The same they have in rugby and football in a global sport which is the no. 1 sport all over the world. Being 8th in a game around 8 countries take half seriously is no great achievement. Being in top 8 in a sport hundreds of countries take very seriously is a far greater feat.
You don't seem to be getting it in any case so I'll try once more.
Rugby, very small, very limited global participation.
Football, very big, massive global participation.
No need for an expensive TV show. Just show the penalty shootout - Ireland Vs Romania in 1990. Especially David O'Leary's winner.
I don't know how anything else could even be considered. The country went f**king nuts.
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Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
It's RTÉ so it'll be a rubby game that wins - probably the time we bailed out the homeless IRFU by letting them play England in Croke Pk.
They seem to have an obsession with that in Dublin 4.
PS - haven't watched any of this thing and have no intention of doing so
Are you implying that it's fixed? The most watched sports events on RTE last year were mainly GAA and soccer so I don't follow your logic.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
So no GAA representation and likely no GAA moment to decide greatest moment tonight... a joke of a programme.
Well a hurling event couldn't possibly be expected to win. The Liam McCarthy is only played between a handful of teams and it's not a worldwide sport. Did you not read the lads' opinions on rugby below.
Soccer it is so.
Ireland have never won the major prize in rugby, in fact they've never even made in past the last 8.
And in soccer they've won what? I get that you don't like rugby, neither do I. But your arguments make no sense to me.
The same they have in rugby and football in a global sport which is the no. 1 sport all over the world. Being 8th in a game around 8 countries take half seriously is no great achievement. Being in top 8 in a sport hundreds of countries take very seriously is a far greater feat.
You don't seem to be getting it in any case so I'll try once more.
Rugby, very small, very limited global participation.
Football, very big, massive global participation.
I get it, I just don't see how that matters in a contest to see what the Irish public rate as their favourite sporting moment
On the global participation point, I give you G.A.A. Should it not be considered as it's only played in Ireland? Should hurling be further disregarded because so few counties take it seriously?
With regards to our first point on your most recent post, you're comparing the two World Cups only. Looking down a level, I'd have thought that the Tri-Nations and the Six Nations are the next level of competition. Compare them to the Euros perhaps. Ireland won the Six Nations AND beat ever team en route. The Irish soccer team came nowhere near to doing that.
Another point you made previously (at least I think it was you, apologies if it wasn't)is that many Irish people that watch rugby only do so when it's popular and that many of them don't participate in the sport. What does that matter? Again, it's a question of what do you think is the greatest sporting moment of all time? I don't see how a viewer's non-viewing interest in the sport matters in the slightest.
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
They slag off rugby but eat and drink the other British game of association football including following Premier League teams. Not many of them have ever been to a minor league game in their local areas or supported such teams.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
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Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
They slag off rugby but eat and drink the other British game of association football including following Premier League teams. Not many of them have ever been to a minor league game in their local areas or supported such teams.
True supping on the tit of Rupert Mordock and SKY TV Super Sundays
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
For the record I wasn't and haven't watched rubby on TV since I was about 8.
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples
How many Olympic golds did Sonia win?
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I think rugby is a very good sport though I prefer League.
Fully agree with your last sentence
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
For the record I wasn't and haven't watched rubby on TV since I was about 8.
too busy watching Man U?
I am amused when people criticise sports they don't like because it doesn't fit the model of the sports they do like. Imposing a soccer model on top of rugby is pointless. They are completely different sports, with a different ethos regarding the meaning and values of international competition and indeed club competition. How would you impose the soccer model on International Test Cricket, the second most popular sport in the world as that seems to be a barometer of meaning, apart from the Ashes it has no meaningful trophies or tournaments and indeed a whole Test series can end in a draw, what kind of sport allows that!!!!
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I think rugby is a very good sport though I prefer League.
Fully agree with your last sentence
my one great Rugby pleasure in life is the IRFUs team letting egg on all their cheerleaders faces every time they fuckup when the stakes get big.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I think rugby is a very good sport though I prefer League.
Fully agree with your last sentence
As do I (the first bit of it).
Not about his first sentence though. Rugby is a stupid stupid game. On a par with American Football.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 08, 2017, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I think rugby is a very good sport though I prefer League.
Fully agree with your last sentence
As do I (the first bit of it).
How was Killkenny beating Clare in the 2002 All Ireland Final Ireland's greatest sporting moment?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Quote from: laoislad on December 08, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 08, 2017, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I think rugby is a very good sport though I prefer League.
Fully agree with your last sentence
As do I (the first bit of it).
How was Killkenny beating Clare in the 2002 All Ireland Final Ireland's greatest sporting moment?
Where's the 'H' in 'AIF final'?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 07, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 07, 2017, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the Aus.
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
For the record I wasn't and haven't watched rubby on TV since I was about 8.
too busy watching Man U?
Don't watch soccery stuff either.
Why does that great Gael Bomber keep calling soccer "football".
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 07, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 07, 2017, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the US.
Id be surprised at football being the main sport in SA. Certainly didn't seem that way when I was there though that was a good many years ago and before the 2010 world cup.
Now, what about Fiji/Samoa/Tonga?
And how do Argentina and Italy not take rugby seriously
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
Mainly Liverpool, Man United and Celtic fans slag off Rugby, i think its a brilliant sport.
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples, I would add Roche but that may or may not be tainted.
O'Sullivans run against the doped up Chinese was absolutely brilliant, to keep going knowing you were being fucked with every stride showed tremendous character and class.
Carruths Gold was incredibly unexpected and McGuigans victory over pedroza was brilliant, if only for a moment.
2002 AIF final was our nations finest moment in my opinion, with Sonia second and Carruth third.
I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it.
It's about dealing things in relative terms, do you think Mayo fans deem FBD trophies as greater achievements than making All Ireland finals?
The Irish Rugby team are mediocre at a niche sport.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 03:16:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 07, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 07, 2017, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the US.
Id be surprised at football being the main sport in SA. Certainly didn't seem that way when I was there though that was a good many years ago and before the 2010 world cup.
Now, what about Fiji/Samoa/Tonga?
And how do Argentina and Italy not take rugby seriously
Well be surprised, football is by far and away the biggest sport in South Africa.
Argentina and Italy don't take Rugby seriously as there is little appeal in the game.
There are more pro soccer players in the USA than there are pro rugby players in the world.
Did you play rugby yourself?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2017, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 08, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
So many slagging off rugby and is most likely they were glued to the TV watching those big games...
For the record I wasn't and haven't watched rubby on TV since I was about 8.
too busy watching Man U?
Don't watch soccery stuff either.
Why does that great Gael Bomber keep calling soccer "football".
Its called Association football. The Americas named it soccer as they already have their own handegg football.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
You can win the world cup without winning a game and how long before ROI are seen in another World cup Quarter final? Quite frankly shit to me and i'm sure many others would be Euro 2012 when Ireland were well beaten in each group game.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Interational soccer is shit, it's always been a standard below the top club levels in the major European leagues. Don't kid yourself that the World Cup is a high competition field, it's actually even a standard below the European Championships. Some amount reaching on this thread.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Interational soccer is shit, it's always been a standard below the top club levels in the major European leagues. Don't kid yourself that the World Cup is a high competition field, it's actually even a standard below the European Championships. Some amount reaching on this thread.
International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will. You speak like a lad who got wrapped up in the egg chasing bubble during the Celtic Tiger era.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Interational soccer is shit, it's always been a standard below the top club levels in the major European leagues. Don't kid yourself that the World Cup is a high competition field, it's actually even a standard below the European Championships. Some amount reaching on this thread.
International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will. You speak like a lad who got wrapped up in the egg chasing bubble during the Celtic Tiger era.
Nope just a sports fan with a keen eye for high level competitive sport and international soccer ain't the highest level. What it is pretty good at is plugging into national identity and creates a sense of unity and that to most is more important than the quality or level of the game, that's why it's popular. Real lowest common denominator stuff to be honest. That's not a bad thing but if you really appreciate high level football, you watch the UCL that is the real pinnacle of the game.
Seeing as there hasn't been a genuine shock result in the champions league for as long as I can remember, I'm not sure it's as competitively brilliant as you're making out. There are half a dozen galactico sides but after that, the standard isn't as exceptional as you want to believe.
International football isn't as prestigious as it was 20 years ago. But 99 out of 100 players, if asked, would still name the World Cup as the one trophy they will want to win in their careers. In my mind, that's why it's the greatest competition of all. Should that attitude change then I'd make you right, but for now, no.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:21:26 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 01, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 01, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the US.
Id be surprised at football being the main sport in SA. Certainly didn't seem that way when I was there though that was a good many years ago and before the 2010 world cup.
Now, what about Fiji/Samoa/Tonga?
And how do Argentina and Italy not take rugby seriously
Well be surprised, football is by far and away the biggest sport in South Africa.
Argentina and Italy don't take Rugby seriously as there is little appeal in the game.
There are more pro soccer players in the USA than there are pro rugby players in the world.
Did you play rugby yourself?
Like I said its a number of years since I visited SA and the world cup has been held there since. They still get big crowds for rugby though, although the experiment of having a couple of teams in the league over here hasn't gone too well.
Looks to me like there is an appetite for rugby in both Argentina and Italy and you still have avoided Fiji/Samoa/Tonga where they also take rugby seriously.
I did play rugby, union and league. I prefer league to play and to watch. Not sure what that has to do with it though
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 08, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Interational soccer is shit, it's always been a standard below the top club levels in the major European leagues. Don't kid yourself that the World Cup is a high competition field, it's actually even a standard below the European Championships. Some amount reaching on this thread.
International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will. You speak like a lad who got wrapped up in the egg chasing bubble during the Celtic Tiger era.
Nope just a sports fan with a keen eye for high level competitive sport and international soccer ain't the highest level. What it is pretty good at is plugging into national identity and creates a sense of unity and that to most is more important than the quality or level of the game, that's why it's popular. Real lowest common denominator stuff to be honest. That's not a bad thing but if you really appreciate high level football, you watch the UCL that is the real pinnacle of the game.
International is the highest level of football. Those who have won World Cup will tell you. I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from.
Il Bomber Destro, "I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it." Are you suggesting that all the people that watch Ireland playing in the Six Nations aren't sports fans? Are you suggesting that these people also follow weightlifting and/or strong man competitions? Everyone that I know personally that follows rugby also follows G.A.A. and soccer. None of them follow weightlifting or strong man competitions, to the best of my knowledge. Could you clarify your statement?
"Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition". If the Six Nations had virtually no competition then surely Ireland would have won the grand slam many times? As for calling it a shit sport.......well there's not much to say to that.
"International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will." What is this based on? The quality on show? Have you been watching Ireland recently? Players are entitled to their view, but from a spectator point of view, do you think the international competitions are or a higher quality than the top club leagues.
Finally, "I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from." I think this line deserves an award and I don't think there'd be any debate that it should win ;D
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Il Bomber Destro, "I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it." Are you suggesting that all the people that watch Ireland playing in the Six Nations aren't sports fans? Are you suggesting that these people also follow weightlifting and/or strong man competitions? Everyone that I know personally that follows rugby also follows G.A.A. and soccer. None of them follow weightlifting or strong man competitions, to the best of my knowledge. Could you clarify your statement?
"Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition". If the Six Nations had virtually no competition then surely Ireland would have won the grand slam many times? As for calling it a shit sport.......well there's not much to say to that.
"International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will." What is this based on? The quality on show? Have you been watching Ireland recently? Players are entitled to their view, but from a spectator point of view, do you think the international competitions are or a higher quality than the top club leagues.
Finally, "I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from." I think this line deserves an award and I don't think there'd be any debate that it should win ;D
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I missed this. Bomber, are you saying weightlifting and strongman aren't sports? Whatabout powerlifting? Crossfit?
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The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the US.
Id be surprised at football being the main sport in SA. Certainly didn't seem that way when I was there though that was a good many years ago and before the 2010 world cup.
Now, what about Fiji/Samoa/Tonga?
And how do Argentina and Italy not take rugby seriously
Well be surprised, football is by far and away the biggest sport in South Africa.
Argentina and Italy don't take Rugby seriously as there is little appeal in the game.
There are more pro soccer players in the USA than there are pro rugby players in the world.
Did you play rugby yourself?
Like I said its a number of years since I visited SA and the world cup has been held there since. They still get big crowds for rugby though, although the experiment of having a couple of teams in the league over here hasn't gone too well.
Looks to me like there is an appetite for rugby in both Argentina and Italy and you still have avoided Fiji/Samoa/Tonga where they also take rugby seriously.
I did play rugby, union and league. I prefer league to play and to watch. Not sure what that has to do with it though
The Pacific Islands have tiny little populations which says it all. Tonga has a population of 107k. Smaller than half the counties in Ireland probably. Samoa about 200k and Fiji 900k.
Listen to yourself - that's the kind of depth you're talking about.
Who did you play for?
Rugby in Italy has very limited popularity outside of certain regions in the north of the country, where it is still a minority sport.
It's a minority sport in Argentina as well, way, way, way behind football which is the only sport that matters, exactly like it is in Italy.
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Il Bomber Destro, "I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it." Are you suggesting that all the people that watch Ireland playing in the Six Nations aren't sports fans? Are you suggesting that these people also follow weightlifting and/or strong man competitions? Everyone that I know personally that follows rugby also follows G.A.A. and soccer. None of them follow weightlifting or strong man competitions, to the best of my knowledge. Could you clarify your statement?
"Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition". If the Six Nations had virtually no competition then surely Ireland would have won the grand slam many times? As for calling it a shit sport.......well there's not much to say to that.
"International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will." What is this based on? The quality on show? Have you been watching Ireland recently? Players are entitled to their view, but from a spectator point of view, do you think the international competitions are or a higher quality than the top club leagues.
Finally, "I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from." I think this line deserves an award and I don't think there'd be any debate that it should win ;D
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I missed this. Bomber, are you saying weightlifting and strongman aren't sports? Whatabout powerlifting? Crossfit?
Yes I am, they are forms of exercise and bodybuilding.
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For the record Italia 90 is a great moment but as an achievement it sucked, we didn't win one game.
Or you could say ROI reached the Quarter final without losing a game eventually going down to the hosts by the narrowest of margins. To reach the last in 8 in your first ever World cup will considered by most as fine achievement.
Reframe it how you want but considering winning is the only barometer of success, by the majority on this board, so not winning any of 5 games is quite frankly shit and should not be celebrated as success.
Laughable. View things in context.
Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition is nowhere near as big as achievement as competing at a good level in a high competition field.
Is O'Byrne Cup success a bigger achievement than the 98 AI final appearance for Kildare?
Interational soccer is shit, it's always been a standard below the top club levels in the major European leagues. Don't kid yourself that the World Cup is a high competition field, it's actually even a standard below the European Championships. Some amount reaching on this thread.
You should get better acquainted about the elite top players who have won World Cup glory and just where they rank that achievement.
A club can't compete against the ethos of a nation or a nation competing for the world cup. The World Cup and the Euros are an intense competition, one which the best team like France at euro 2016 can falter at the finish, jaded.
Of course a group of top elite players brought together in a club team financed by filthy rich owners spending a fortune have great potential to play at the highest standard, versus a national team of top players who only play together on occasion.
Nevertheless, would Spain 2010 /12 have beaten any side in Spain? or Germany 2014 have beaten any BL team? I suspect so.
France might have a harder time beating PSG in their present incarnation, but that's after billions of euros has been spent to assemble an elite team which still took years to rise above dysfunction.
Lets pretend PSG win the CL, what do you think the French nation's greatest moment in football sport would be, the goal that won PSG the european cup or the 3 goals that won France the world cup?
The penalty shoot out at Italia 90 after a crappy game in the afternoon heat is a standout moment in Irish sport, could only have been trumped had Ireland beaten Spain at WC2002.
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The Grand Slam was easily the sporting moment of the 00s. Not even close.
Grand slam? Beating 5 other teams in a non-world event?? Get a grip. Harrington was the correct choice.f**king egg chasers is right. They beat 3/4 of a New Zealand team last year in a FRIENDLY and the country was in meltdown. They get far too much hype whereas Harrington didn't get enough
In Euro 88, Holland had five games in a non-world event, didn't even win them all and still were champions. Still, I'm sure they had a better sporting achievement that year too.
But football is a global sport, it survives by itself due to its global appeal.
Scoring a last minute equaliser against one of football's superpowers in the dying minutes of a group game at a World Cup may seem trivial but when you view it in its context it's a whole lot more than winning an annual 6 team tournament in a sport where only about 8 countries take semi-seriously.
If truth be told the Irish team are one massive set of over-hyped, under achieving fun boys. They've never been past the last 8 in the World Cup in a sport only 8 teams take seriously. They're the only one of the 8 sides that take it seriously that have never been in the last 4 of a World Cup.
It's popularity in this country is more to do with its social outing culture and the increased chance of success given the small competition pool, there's a disproportionate amount of women at rugby matches compared to other sports. Most lads who attend rugby matches these days have never played an organised game of rugby in their life, that's an odd association with the game.
Im curious. Who are the 8 teams that take it seriously?
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland
England
Only New Zealand have it as their main sport.
and whats the criteria for taking it seriously?
What about Tonga, Samoa, Fiji?
Why not Argentina or Italy?
Whats the main sport in Aus/SA?
Football is the main sport in South Africa. Rugby League, AFL and cricket are more popular in the US.
Id be surprised at football being the main sport in SA. Certainly didn't seem that way when I was there though that was a good many years ago and before the 2010 world cup.
Now, what about Fiji/Samoa/Tonga?
And how do Argentina and Italy not take rugby seriously
Well be surprised, football is by far and away the biggest sport in South Africa.
Argentina and Italy don't take Rugby seriously as there is little appeal in the game.
There are more pro soccer players in the USA than there are pro rugby players in the world.
Did you play rugby yourself?
Like I said its a number of years since I visited SA and the world cup has been held there since. They still get big crowds for rugby though, although the experiment of having a couple of teams in the league over here hasn't gone too well.
Looks to me like there is an appetite for rugby in both Argentina and Italy and you still have avoided Fiji/Samoa/Tonga where they also take rugby seriously.
I did play rugby, union and league. I prefer league to play and to watch. Not sure what that has to do with it though
The Pacific Islands have tiny little populations which says it all. Tonga has a population of 107k. Smaller than half the counties in Ireland probably. Samoa about 200k and Fiji 900k.
Listen to yourself - that's the kind of depth you're talking about.
Who did you play for?
Rugby in Italy has very limited popularity outside of certain regions in the north of the country, where it is still a minority sport.
It's a minority sport in Argentina as well, way, way, way behind football which is the only sport that matters, exactly like it is in Italy.
So because they are small in population they don't count as countries?
I played both codes in Manchester where I lived for close to 12 years. Old Bediand and Mancunians. I also played Gaelic over there.
A minority sport and limited popularity does not mean they are not taken seriously, which was the point I was getting at
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Il Bomber Destro, "I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it." Are you suggesting that all the people that watch Ireland playing in the Six Nations aren't sports fans? Are you suggesting that these people also follow weightlifting and/or strong man competitions? Everyone that I know personally that follows rugby also follows G.A.A. and soccer. None of them follow weightlifting or strong man competitions, to the best of my knowledge. Could you clarify your statement?
"Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition". If the Six Nations had virtually no competition then surely Ireland would have won the grand slam many times? As for calling it a shit sport.......well there's not much to say to that.
"International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will." What is this based on? The quality on show? Have you been watching Ireland recently? Players are entitled to their view, but from a spectator point of view, do you think the international competitions are or a higher quality than the top club leagues.
Finally, "I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from." I think this line deserves an award and I don't think there'd be any debate that it should win ;D
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I missed this. Bomber, are you saying weightlifting and strongman aren't sports? Whatabout powerlifting? Crossfit?
Yes I am, they are forms of exercise and bodybuilding.
Gaelic is a form of exercise. As is soccer and rugby. You don't bodybuild with powerlifting or crossfit and both have world governing bodies and host competitions. That makes them a sport
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Il Bomber Destro, "I would say sports fans dislike Rugby while weightlifting fans and strong man fans might enjoy it." Are you suggesting that all the people that watch Ireland playing in the Six Nations aren't sports fans? Are you suggesting that these people also follow weightlifting and/or strong man competitions? Everyone that I know personally that follows rugby also follows G.A.A. and soccer. None of them follow weightlifting or strong man competitions, to the best of my knowledge. Could you clarify your statement?
"Winning in a shit sport with virtually no competition". If the Six Nations had virtually no competition then surely Ireland would have won the grand slam many times? As for calling it a shit sport.......well there's not much to say to that.
"International football is the be all and end all of football. Club football does not compare and never will." What is this based on? The quality on show? Have you been watching Ireland recently? Players are entitled to their view, but from a spectator point of view, do you think the international competitions are or a higher quality than the top club leagues.
Finally, "I don't know where you are getting your completely incorrect viewpoint from." I think this line deserves an award and I don't think there'd be any debate that it should win ;D
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I missed this. Bomber, are you saying weightlifting and strongman aren't sports? Whatabout powerlifting? Crossfit?
Yes I am, they are forms of exercise and bodybuilding.
Gaelic is a form of exercise. As is soccer and rugby. You don't bodybuild with powerlifting or crossfit and both have world governing bodies and host competitions. That makes them a sport
To quote Bomber I think he has a point.There is virtually no competition in the 6nations? There are 5 matches to be won, against 1 team that would recognise the sport as it's national sport. Rugby in England is seen as a middle class sport. Ireland's failure to win it before stemmed more so from the inadequacy of their teams as opposed to the strength of the opposition. Let's not forget that only 1 team from the Northern Hemisphere has won the World Cup.
The quality on show in inetrnational football compared to the club scene is inferior, however the World Cup final is the most watched sport on TV each year it is held. And when comparing Maradona and Messi, its oft said that Messi has no World Cup whereas Maradona has.
Weightlifting? I assume you mean power lifting in the olympics?
Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Theyre sports, as is bodybuilding itself
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Theyre sports, as is bodybuilding itself
What about bicep curls?
Lifting objects is not s sport.
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Theyre sports, as is bodybuilding itself
What about bicep curls?
Lifting objects is not s sport.
Is kicking objects a sport? How about throwing objects or driving objects? Riding objects?
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
That rules out Ulster Football so....
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
That rules out Ulster Football so....
It's not like you not to post a partitionist answer. Ulster having 9 counties and all...
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
That rules out Ulster Football so....
It's not like you not to post a partitionist answer. Ulster having 9 counties and all...
The three Ulster counties in Ireland are in on the grand southern conspiracy to insult and marginalise the six counties so we let them have a pass.
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Theyre sports, as is bodybuilding itself
What about bicep curls?
Lifting objects is not s sport.
youre wrong on this one pal. And not a good example there. Picking something that is done to help prepare for a soort
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Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
That rules out Ulster Football so....
It's not like you not to post a partitionist answer. Ulster having 9 counties and all...
The three Ulster counties in Ireland are in on the grand southern conspiracy to insult and marginalise the six counties so we let them have a pass.
There are 9 Ulster counties in Ireland.
Beat me to it BennyCake.
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Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples
How many Olympic golds did Sonia win?
She won a silver, beaten by a Chinese athlete I believe.
She finished 4th in the worlds once, got destroyed by three Chinese dopers nobody had ever heard of, she won that race because she was clean, she was a winner and if you are happy with Ireland beating Romania in a shoot out as our greatest moment or someone bravely nearly wiining in the green fair fucks to you, you compete to win and if you don't it can still be a great accomplishment, it just cant be the countrys best sporting moment.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
Donald, powerlifting (squat, bench, deadlift) isn't done at the Olympics. Weightlifting (Clean&Jerk and Snatch) is. Theyre not the same sport
They not sports at all. They are forms of exercise/bodybuilding.
Define a sport.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
That rules out Ulster Football so....
It's not like you not to post a partitionist answer. Ulster having 9 counties and all...
The three Ulster counties in Ireland are in on the grand southern conspiracy to insult and marginalise the six counties so we let them have a pass.
Wow, neither history or geography a strong point . Partitioning freestate blue shirt. O'Duffy wouldn't have been as bad
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Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples
How many Olympic golds did Sonia win?
She won a silver, beaten by a Chinese athlete I believe.
She finished 4th in the worlds once, got destroyed by three Chinese dopers nobody had ever heard of, she won that race because she was clean, she was a winner and if you are happy with Ireland beating Romania in a shoot out as our greatest moment or someone bravely nearly wiining in the green fair f**ks to you, you compete to win and if you don't it can still be a great accomplishment, it just cant be the countrys best sporting moment.
Sonia for me too. The hysteria for the world cup was obviously bigger but as far as achieving something, Sonia gets my vote
Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
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Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
Yes it was.
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Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
Yes it was.
Not a Romanian?
Szabo defected to China and finished her career at 29 years of age, he mother was Chinese and she was also the doctor who administered the dope to the three Chinese bastes who beat Sonia, true story!
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 09, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2017, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 09, 2017, 11:42:35 AM
Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
Yes it was.
Not a Romanian?
Szabo defected to China and finished her career at 29 years of age, he mother was Chinese and she was also the doctor who administered the dope to the three Chinese bastes who beat Sonia, true story!
Are you fishing or on wind up? Her Mum is Romanian, her father Hungarian.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on December 09, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2017, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 09, 2017, 11:42:35 AM
Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
Yes it was.
Not a Romanian?
Szabo defected to China and finished her career at 29 years of age, he mother was Chinese and she was also the doctor who administered the dope to the three Chinese bastes who beat Sonia, true story!
Are you fishing or on wind up? Her Mum is Romanian, her father Hungarian.
LOL A wind up, you knew before you asked who beat o'Sullivan, so did I, she is my favourite Irish athlete of all time (Female) I do think that Szabo was doping to beat her and I think that if athletes that she competed against had been clean this whole question would be moot because you would have been able to take your pick of multiple Sonia wins on the world stage to choose from.
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Quote from: stew on December 09, 2017, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 09, 2017, 11:42:35 AM
Wasn't a Chinese that bet her in Olympics.
Yes it was.
Not a Romanian?
Szabo defected to China and finished her career at 29 years of age, he mother was Chinese and she was also the doctor who administered the dope to the three Chinese bastes who beat Sonia, true story!
Are you fishing or on wind up? Her Mum is Romanian, her father Hungarian.
LOL A wind up, you knew before you asked who beat o'Sullivan, so did I, she is my favourite Irish athlete of all time (Female) I do think that Szabo was doping to beat her and I think that if athletes that she competed against had been clean this whole question would be moot because you would have been able to take your pick of multiple Sonia wins on the world stage to choose from.
Well there are questions over her after one of her entourage was caught with a car full of performance enhancers. Plus she retired at 29 due to "exhaustion". Sonia's silver a great moment too. A kind of redemption after previous experience in Olympics.
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
How do we know O'Sullivan wasnt doping - just because she was Irish, looked civil and seemed nice enough?
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
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Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
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How do we know O'Sullivan wasnt doping - just because she was Irish, looked civil and seemed nice enough?
She never tested positive for steroids and never was under investigation for steroid use, that said and to your point we simply dont know.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Massively sweeping statement regarding weightlifting. Maybe you're getting t mixed up with body building?
I seriously doubt any Sport is absent of skill. What actually makes a skill? Is there any one skill that will win you anything? Even in the obvious 'skill' sports such as Darts or Snooker you need so much more than 'skill'. Preperation, tactics, endurance, mental toughness, (among numerous other things) all combine to make a 'skill' that a skillful athlete makes look easy.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
It's hard to score when the goal posts are on wheels.
Is that the Bull Hayes you're talking about? I think he was 18 or so before he played Rugby. Mind you he was tackling cattle for a while before that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 10, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
Is that the Bull Hayes you're talking about? I think he was 18 or so before he played Rugby. Mind you he was tackling cattle for a while before that.
Probably. Being well over 6 foot and the best part of 20 stone of brick shithouseness helped his cause.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
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Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
Didier Drogba didn't take up soccer until he was 15. He became the best player in africa and also the best player in england for a good few seasons. Says it all really.
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens
Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer.
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Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens
Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.
Finished that one for you.
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Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!
Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples
How many Olympic golds did Sonia win?
She won a silver, beaten by a Chinese athlete I believe.
She finished 4th in the worlds once, got destroyed by three Chinese dopers nobody had ever heard of, she won that race because she was clean, she was a winner and if you are happy with Ireland beating Romania in a shoot out as our greatest moment or someone bravely nearly wiining in the green fair f**ks to you, you compete to win and if you don't it can still be a great accomplishment, it just cant be the countrys best sporting moment.
You've contradicted yourself though. As talented a runner as O'Sullivan was, she didn't fully deliver on the biggest stage.
In the 1992 Olympics she made a tactical error in hitting the front too early and reversed into 4th position. In 1996 when she was the fastest runner in the field that year and the gold medal should have been a tap in, she had an emotional meltdown.
By 2000 she was slightly over the hill, so a silver medal was a decent enough achievement.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens
Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.
Finished that one for you.
?? What does it say about soccer in the 70s? He played most of his career in the 80s. He only joined united in 78 and he played until 1994. He was captain of blackburn for his last couple of seasons when they finished in the top 4 of the premier league.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens
Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.
Finished that one for you.
?? What does it say about soccer in the 70s? He played most of his career in the 80s. He only joined united in 78 and he played until 1994. He was captain of blackburn for his last couple of seasons when they finished in the top 4 of the premier league.
Apologies - I meant in no way to belittle Kevin Moran or his achievements. It was easier for players who went to England in the 70's and 80's. They'd more than likely get their chance to develop, no matter how late they went. Kevin Moran and Paul McGrath are prime examples of this. Such a situation would never happen today. Not with the ''Top'' clubs.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
Shades of grey at least. You never defined a sport for me. Where do you draw the line on it? Are weightlifting and walking below the line, i.e. not sports? What about darts and snooker?
Sean Og O hAilpin didn't even arrive in Ireland until he was ready for secondary school and went on to success with Cork. Says it all about hurling too.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 10, 2017, 11:03:07 PM
Sean Og O hAilpin didn't even arrive in Ireland until he was ready for secondary school and went on to success with Cork. Says it all about hurling too.
It does, an amateur sport taken seriously by about 8 counties in a very small country.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
Ken Norton and Bernard Hopkins?
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
Ken Norton and Bernard Hopkins?
So you are now switching to boxers. Hopkins turned his life around after a prison stint, while he was a latecomer to the sport, it still took him a long time to make it to the top of the boxing ladder. It took him 4 years and 21 fights to land his first domestic title and 5 years for his first world title fight.
He boxed in his youth and boxed when in prison.
Norton had a four year amateur career behind him before turning pro.
The lack of comparable cases to Hayes says it all.
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Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
Ken Norton and Bernard Hopkins?
So you are now switching to boxers. Hopkins turned his life around after a prison stint, while he was a latecomer to the sport, it still took him a long time to make it to the top of the boxing ladder. It took him 4 years and 21 fights to land his first domestic title and 5 years for his first world title fight.
He boxed in his youth and boxed when in prison.
Norton had a four year amateur career behind him before turning pro.
The lack of comparable cases to Hayes says it all.
we are talking sports people here aren't we?
Hopkins didn't start boxing until prison and Norton didn't start until he was in the marines.
How long did this Hayes play for before he was capped for Ireland?
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
Oh well if you said it then it must be true. NOT.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?
Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)
Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.
Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.
Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?
Is it a climbdown? No
Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.
The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.
Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.
They are absent of skill.
Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.
I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.
Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
What does it say?
That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.
Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.
Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.
It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.
Oh well if you said it then it must be true. NOT.
It's hilarious the way all the rugby fans here have to fabricate falsehoods to contend arguments.
So far we've had lies told about Sean Og O'Hailpin, Kevin Moran and Didier Drogba.
As if the TV programme wasn't bad enough, this thread is worse.
Just to clarify......it's Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment.....not victory, not tournament, not sport.....MOMENT.
So it can't be Italia 90. That was 3 weeks or so.
In gaelic games off the top of my head - Mikey Sheehy lobbing Paddy Cullen, Joe McDonagh singing "The West's Awake", Seamus Darby's goal in '82, Maurice's sideline point in Thurles.....these are great moments.
Soccer - Gary MacKay v Bulgaria, Ray Houghton in Stuttgart and Giants Stadium, Niall Quinn v Holland and in Wembley, Sheedy in Sardinia, O'Leary penalty and/or Packie save v Romania, Roy Keane lifting Overmars out of it in 2001.
John Treacy's silver with that famous commentary in 1984. Sonia's silver in 2000 was a huge moment too. Think I had a mini stroke looking at that sprint for the line. Many, many others.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
As if the TV programme wasn't bad enough, this thread is worse.
Just to clarify......it's Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment.....not victory, not tournament, not sport.....MOMENT.
So it can't be Italia 90. That was 3 weeks or so.
In gaelic games off the top of my head - Mikey Sheehy lobbing Paddy Cullen, Joe McDonagh singing "The West's Awake", Seamus Darby's goal in '82, Maurice's sideline point in Thurles.....these are great moments.
Soccer - Gary MacKay v Bulgaria, Ray Houghton in Stuttgart and Giants Stadium, Niall Quinn v Holland and in Wembley, Sheedy in Sardinia, O'Leary penalty and/or Packie save v Romania, Roy Keane lifting Overmars out of it in 2001.
John Treacy's silver with that famous commentary in 1984. Sonia's silver in 2000 was a huge moment too. Think I had a mini stroke looking at that sprint for the line. Many, many others.
I'd have said that my favourite sporting moment was Van Gaal bringing on his fifth striker against us in 2001.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
As if the TV programme wasn't bad enough, this thread is worse.
Just to clarify......it's Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment.....not victory, not tournament, not sport.....MOMENT.
So it can't be Italia 90. That was 3 weeks or so.
In gaelic games off the top of my head - Mikey Sheehy lobbing Paddy Cullen, Joe McDonagh singing "The West's Awake", Seamus Darby's goal in '82, Maurice's sideline point in Thurles.....these are great moments.
Soccer - Gary MacKay v Bulgaria, Ray Houghton in Stuttgart and Giants Stadium, Niall Quinn v Holland and in Wembley, Sheedy in Sardinia, O'Leary penalty and/or Packie save v Romania, Roy Keane lifting Overmars out of it in 2001.
John Treacy's silver with that famous commentary in 1984. Sonia's silver in 2000 was a huge moment too. Think I had a mini stroke looking at that sprint for the line. Many, many others.
Packie Bonnar's penalty save was a moment during Italia 90 so it could be that