Exclusive: JP McManus to donate €1 million to every GAA county board in Ireland (https://extra.ie/2023/12/14/sport/gaa/jp-mcmanus-donate-gaa-counties)
Bloody hell, that's some dough to be splashing about and to the clubs...
That's brilliant. Wonder would he fire a few quid at Casement while he's at it lol.
Didn't he do the same a few years ago when a Limerick won the all Ireland, 2018 ? Maybe it wasn't a million each
fair play to him
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 14, 2023, 11:46:57 AMDidn't he do the same a few years ago when a Limerick won the all Ireland, 2018 ? Maybe it wasn't a million each
It was 100k then.
Quote from: Wolfetones on December 14, 2023, 11:53:50 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on December 14, 2023, 11:46:57 AMDidn't he do the same a few years ago when a Limerick won the all Ireland, 2018 ? Maybe it wasn't a million each
It was 100k then.
Yeah you're right
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 14, 2023, 11:45:19 AMThat's brilliant. Wonder would he fire a few quid at Casement while he's at it lol.
The JP McManus Casement Park...imagine that all over the TV screens during the Euro's.
Some investment and says a lot about the man
I would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
Is it not to be distributed to clubs like the last time?
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2023, 12:44:42 PMI would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
+1
Should go a long way to cover some of the managerial expenses certain counties incur.
Quote from: square_ball on December 14, 2023, 01:01:36 PMIs it not to be distributed to clubs like the last time?
Cork Clubs won't be getting much compared to Clubs in the smaller Counties.
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2023, 12:44:42 PMI would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
I'd have my own issues with him as well. However cutting out the clusterf**k of a government in the north could only be described as good business sense. And if passed through the government in the south, would prob only result in a set of bids and 5 O'Neill's for each club. Bit of Robin Hood about it all.
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2023, 12:44:42 PMI would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
In fairness I think I'd rather McManus choose where his money goes as the government waste it on shite but thats a whole other debate that I don't really want to have at the minute lol.
Quote from: trailer on December 14, 2023, 01:04:39 PMQuote from: Itchy on December 14, 2023, 12:44:42 PMI would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
+1
Should go a long way to cover some of the managerial expenses certain counties incur.
I'd hope it's a straight split to the clubs like it's intended and nothing syphoned off to the county boards as an "Admin" fee.
what a gesture that 32 million will be well spent in each recepients clubs all over Ireland.
Ideally JP would stay in Ireland and pay his taxes, but then the government would just blow it on more HSE wastage and Social Welfare payments.
At least this way the money goes to an organisation that promotes health and wellbeing.
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2023, 12:44:42 PMI would have mixed thoughts on this. The man is a tax exile so he doesnt pay his fair share into government where our elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Instead he thinks he should decide where it should go - that doesnt sit easy with me to be honest.
On the other hand it is an extremely generous donation that he doesnt need to make and will be very welcome by each County board, especially in smaller counties.
I would normally say the same, but he does a lot of other low profile stuff in Munster that doesn't get the headlines and there are lots of social enterprises really helping families that just wouldn't get it.
Ideally he would pay the tax here, but when you look at the Children's Hospital and the likes where money is pissed away, you can understand why he does it his way.
When the 1st lockdown happened here, he gave I think it was €1M to family carers Ireland to purchase ppe gear and distribute to home carers that needed anything. Big box of gloves, masks, hand gel and aprons arrived here to me. Fair play to him, letter from him too in the box.
The Sundance Kid, Some operator!
Seems it's to go to every club in each county across GAA, LGFA and Camogie.
There are still some clubs that have separate men's and women's football, and camogie and hurling clubs are also included. So in Tyrone, each club might get £4k each.
It is a fantastic gesture that will cause plenty of headaches ;D
Fair play JP, brilliant generosity. He is obliged to give feck all as a tax exile but consistently gives money to his chosen areas.
Many other tax exiles court plenty of media interviews and talk the talk, JP just does it.
Fair play to him I'd love the opportunity to decide where my tax money is spent but instead the leaches in the Royal family and British army get their hands on it
Just go to Clubs to pay their managers, rather he attached conditions to fed it into clubs underage. On another matter if he firing that out, what he putting to the Limerick Hurling team, def ain't on the books as Galway is showing up as the big spenders.
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2023, 07:37:50 PMThere are still some clubs that have separate men's and women's football, and camogie and hurling clubs are also included. So in Tyrone, each club might get £4k each.
It is a fantastic gesture that will cause plenty of headaches ;D
Ah now, there isn't 250 clubs in Tyrone
Great to see and it goes to an organisation in which it's members are contributing massively to Irish society. If the Government got their hands on it they would probably give it to anyone but.
Quote from: time ticking away on December 14, 2023, 07:54:28 PMQuote from: Rois on December 14, 2023, 07:37:50 PMThere are still some clubs that have separate men's and women's football, and camogie and hurling clubs are also included. So in Tyrone, each club might get £4k each.
It is a fantastic gesture that will cause plenty of headaches ;D
Ah now, there isn't 250 clubs in Tyrone
If it was me I'd be allocating half to improve Healy and O'Neill park and the other half to the clubs.
Strength & conditioning coaches will be rubbing their hands with glee all over ireland tonight.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2023, 08:11:54 PMStrength & conditioning coaches will be rubbing their hands with glee all over ireland tonight.
I'd say their fees went up 30% on the news today.
Tyrone clubs got €1400/1500 from memory last time he gave €100k. €14/15k will be a nice wee lift for clubs big or small.
Quote from: time ticking away on December 14, 2023, 07:54:28 PMQuote from: Rois on December 14, 2023, 07:37:50 PMThere are still some clubs that have separate men's and women's football, and camogie and hurling clubs are also included. So in Tyrone, each club might get £4k each.
It is a fantastic gesture that will cause plenty of headaches ;D
Ah now, there isn't 250 clubs in Tyrone
No, the £4k was tongue in cheek, but I saw a figure of £20k mentioned on social media - that was very optimistic. 50 could become 100 when you add in hurling, camogie and separate ladies' clubs.
Be great if your club only has one code and single sex
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 10:46:59 PMBe great if your club only has one code and single sex
Depends on how many of those clubs are in the county though! Each individual club dilutes the share of the €1m.
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2023, 10:28:58 PMQuote from: time ticking away on December 14, 2023, 07:54:28 PMQuote from: Rois on December 14, 2023, 07:37:50 PMThere are still some clubs that have separate men's and women's football, and camogie and hurling clubs are also included. So in Tyrone, each club might get £4k each.
It is a fantastic gesture that will cause plenty of headaches ;D
Ah now, there isn't 250 clubs in Tyrone
No, the £4k was tongue in cheek, but I saw a figure of £20k mentioned on social media - that was very optimistic. 50 could become 100 when you add in hurling, camogie and separate ladies' clubs.
Yeah definitely not be €20k per club
There's 47 football clubs for starters. Add in the separate hurling, camogie and ladies football clubs probably getting between 60 and 70 in total?
Did I see this year that some clubs have formally adopted the the "One Club" guidelines - have they done themselves out of payouts for each of their separate codes?
Nothing for handball & rounders :P
This was already decided in 2018 when the last payout happened. This is the breakdown per club per county
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/12/14/how-much-each-gaa-club-will-receive-following-jp-mcmanuss-32m-donation/
Map showing what clubs should receive in each county.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/12/15/some-gaa-clubs-to-receive-over-30000-after-donation-by-jp-mcmanus/
The £1million would be much better used by county boards rather than being allocated to clubs. It becomes far too diluted - like if a club gets say £4k it's not really going to make a massive difference over the next few years in the grand scheme of things and most of it will fall into the pockets of outside managers in brown envelopes.
But if the county board used one million to say employ coaches in schools or clubs or even to improve facilities then it would be money much better spent
Quote from: sam03/05 on December 15, 2023, 10:09:39 AMThe £1million would be much better used by county boards rather than being allocated to clubs. It becomes far too diluted - like if a club gets say £4k it's not really going to make a massive difference over the next few years in the grand scheme of things and most of it will fall into the pockets of outside managers in brown envelopes.
But if the county board used one million to say employ coaches in schools or clubs or even to improve facilities then it would be money much better spent
Wouldnt agree with that at all. Clubs rarely get a penny from county boards, it's all take take take as far as I see. This way communities get some benefit.
Quote from: sam03/05 on December 15, 2023, 10:09:39 AMThe £1million would be much better used by county boards rather than being allocated to clubs. It becomes far too diluted - like if a club gets say £4k it's not really going to make a massive difference over the next few years in the grand scheme of things and most of it will fall into the pockets of outside managers in brown envelopes.
But if the county board used one million to say employ coaches in schools or clubs or even to improve facilities then it would be money much better spent
agree with this
diluting the money means it will end up paying managers wages etc and not have a material impact
give it to county boards with the clear proviso its spent on a capital project
Armagh building the portadown training base a perfect example
What about london and new york
Naka and Sam, isn't it a condition of the donation that its to be split evenly among all clubs of the 3 Associations?
Quote from: naka on December 15, 2023, 10:21:11 AMQuote from: sam03/05 on December 15, 2023, 10:09:39 AMThe £1million would be much better used by county boards rather than being allocated to clubs. It becomes far too diluted - like if a club gets say £4k it's not really going to make a massive difference over the next few years in the grand scheme of things and most of it will fall into the pockets of outside managers in brown envelopes.
But if the county board used one million to say employ coaches in schools or clubs or even to improve facilities then it would be money much better spent
agree with this
diluting the money means it will end up paying managers wages etc and not have a material impact
give it to county boards with the clear proviso its spent on a capital project
Armagh building the portadown training base a perfect example
Don't agree with this at all and also don't agree with that map in the Irish Times based on the previous donation, for Down anyway.
Firstly I know where our part of it will be going and it's on improving our playing surface, not paid managers etc etc as we don't do such a thing and I'd hazard this amount could be put to good use by lots of the smaller clubs going year to year hand to mouth.
If anything I'd be more concerned about County boards using the money to pay managers than a lot of clubs.
Very seldom does the money from Croke Park trickle down to the clubs in a meaningful way, trust me.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 15, 2023, 11:21:06 AMQuote from: naka on December 15, 2023, 10:21:11 AMQuote from: sam03/05 on December 15, 2023, 10:09:39 AMThe £1million would be much better used by county boards rather than being allocated to clubs. It becomes far too diluted - like if a club gets say £4k it's not really going to make a massive difference over the next few years in the grand scheme of things and most of it will fall into the pockets of outside managers in brown envelopes.
But if the county board used one million to say employ coaches in schools or clubs or even to improve facilities then it would be money much better spent
agree with this
diluting the money means it will end up paying managers wages etc and not have a material impact
give it to county boards with the clear proviso its spent on a capital project
Armagh building the portadown training base a perfect example
Don't agree with this at all and also don't agree with that map in the Irish Times based on the previous donation, for Down anyway.
Firstly I know where our part of it will be going and it's on improving our playing surface, not paid managers etc etc as we don't do such a thing and I'd hazard this amount could be put to good use by lots of the smaller clubs going year to year hand to mouth.
If anything I'd be more concerned about County boards using the money to pay managers than a lot of clubs.
Very seldom does the money from Croke Park trickle down to the clubs in a meaningful way, trust me.
100% - Antrim spent the guts of €250k last year on their senior hurling and football management teams, not prep or food or anything, paying them. I wouldn't trust them to put that money to any good use anytime soon, let clubs use it as they see fit.
Quote from: HalfBack7 on December 15, 2023, 08:57:15 AMMap showing what clubs should receive in each county.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/12/15/some-gaa-clubs-to-receive-over-30000-after-donation-by-jp-mcmanus/
Nothing for Derry, based on that map.
Maybe JP reckons that if they can afford Mickey Harte...
The criticism seems to be exclusively coming from politicians surprise surprise...
Quote from: LeoMc on December 15, 2023, 01:29:30 PMQuote from: HalfBack7 on December 15, 2023, 08:57:15 AMMap showing what clubs should receive in each county.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/12/15/some-gaa-clubs-to-receive-over-30000-after-donation-by-jp-mcmanus/
Nothing for Derry, based on that map.
Maybe JP reckons that if they can afford Mickey Harte...
;D we'll now break even with JP's cheque
How did they arrive at £8,065 per club in Down for example?
There are 45-50 clubs I was expecting around 20k per club?
An amazing gesture for all clubs, just curious
Quote from: Brendan on December 15, 2023, 01:53:12 PMThe criticism seems to be exclusively coming from politicians surprise surprise...
They'd just hand it over to someone like Zelensky. Brilliant to see them upset over it.
Quote from: clarshack on December 15, 2023, 03:23:30 PMQuote from: Brendan on December 15, 2023, 01:53:12 PMThe criticism seems to be exclusively coming from politicians surprise surprise...
They'd just hand it over to someone like Zelensky. Brilliant to see them upset over it.
Exactly.
Quote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 02:44:51 PMHow did they arrive at £8,065 per club in Down for example?
There are 45-50 clubs I was expecting around 20k per club?
An amazing gesture for all clubs, just curious
Thought the same - mind you this is only clickbait in many instances saying what each club get. Sure they wouldne even know how its being distributed in individual counties.
Could come down to x amount if you have 1 club, x + y if you have ladies and gents, x + y + z if you have ladies/gents/hurling/camogie etc
Quote from: Taylor on December 15, 2023, 03:37:42 PMQuote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 02:44:51 PMHow did they arrive at £8,065 per club in Down for example?
There are 45-50 clubs I was expecting around 20k per club?
An amazing gesture for all clubs, just curious
Yes was thinking that
So if you've football and camogie that would be 8,065 X 2
Thought the same - mind you this is only clickbait in many instances saying what each club get. Sure they wouldne even know how its being distributed in individual counties.
Could come down to x amount if you have 1 club, x + y if you have ladies and gents, x + y + z if you have ladies/gents/hurling/camogie etc
Quote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 03:51:36 PMQuote from: Taylor on December 15, 2023, 03:37:42 PMQuote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 02:44:51 PMHow did they arrive at £8,065 per club in Down for example?
There are 45-50 clubs I was expecting around 20k per club?
An amazing gesture for all clubs, just curious
Yes was thinking that
So if you've football and camogie that would be 8,065 X 2
Thought the same - mind you this is only clickbait in many instances saying what each club get. Sure they wouldne even know how its being distributed in individual counties.
Could come down to x amount if you have 1 club, x + y if you have ladies and gents, x + y + z if you have ladies/gents/hurling/camogie etc
Quote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 03:51:36 PMQuote from: Taylor on December 15, 2023, 03:37:42 PMQuote from: maldini on December 15, 2023, 02:44:51 PMHow did they arrive at £8,065 per club in Down for example?
There are 45-50 clubs I was expecting around 20k per club?
An amazing gesture for all clubs, just curious
Thought the same - mind you this is only clickbait in many instances saying what each club get. Sure they wouldne even know how its being distributed in individual counties.
Could come down to x amount if you have 1 club, x + y if you have ladies and gents, x + y + z if you have ladies/gents/hurling/camogie etc
Yes was thinking that
So if you've football and camogie that would be 8,065 X 2
Soccer needs the money more than GAA. I mo thuairim.
Zelensky!
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2023, 04:40:36 PMSoccer needs the money more than GAA. I mo thuairim.
The taxpayer is bailing them clowns out.
Can you imagine if the FAI were handed €32m....
Quote from: gallsman on December 15, 2023, 05:01:39 PMZelensky!
The Irish Government have already given him over €210 million sure what would be another 32.
What happens if you've a football club in one county and a camogie club in another county?
Quote from: Brendan on December 15, 2023, 01:53:12 PMThe criticism seems to be exclusively coming from politicians surprise surprise...
is he not entitled to spend money on what he wants as long as its not illegal
was it social democrats and greens that were moaning about the money.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 15, 2023, 11:22:16 PMwas it social democrats and greens that were moaning about the money.
He should have started growing veg in every gaa ground. All those acres going to waste.
My understanding is that each one payment per Club. So if you are a club that fields Football, Hurling and Camogie you get one payment.
Now if you have a standalone club in your region for say ladies football then they get one full payment too.
That's what I was told today by chairman of a local club for what it is worth.
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2023, 08:34:03 PMMy understanding is that each one payment per Club. So if you are a club that fields Football, Hurling and Camogie you get one payment.
Now if you have a standalone club in your region for say ladies football then they get one full payment too.
That's what I was told today by chairman of a local club for what it is worth.
If that's the case it's going to cause more than a few murmurs. Could be seen as discrimination against those who've gone the one club route.
It's his money, he sets the rules for how it's disseminated. If anyone wants to go whining about being discriminated against then good luck to them. I'm not sure there'll find much sympathy, but good luck all the same.
Joe not impressed with JP in his independent article this morning.
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 17, 2023, 05:33:12 PMJoe not impressed with JP in his independent article this morning.
If Joe was mates with him it would be a different story.
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2023, 03:24:00 PMIt's his money, he sets the rules for how it's disseminated. If anyone wants to go whining about being discriminated against then good luck to them. I'm not sure there'll find much sympathy, but good luck all the same.
Yes - but I daresay that JP might not be aware that neighbouring parishes in the same county could both be fielding in 3 codes, but one of them is already operating a one-club model, and the the other is not just yet.
I'm sure any County unhappy with it can just tear up the cheque.
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 17, 2023, 05:33:12 PMJoe not impressed with JP in his independent article this morning.
Joe is a socialist now, so isn't allowed to be impressed.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on December 17, 2023, 09:23:31 PMQuote from: Jim Bob on December 17, 2023, 05:33:12 PMJoe not impressed with JP in his independent article this morning.
Joe is a socialist now, so isn't allowed to be impressed.
Champagne Socialist
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2023, 08:53:43 PMI'm sure any County unhappy with it can just tear up the cheque.
Why so belligerent?
If JP's wish is that GAA, LGFA and camogie all benefit from his generosity, then it is not even remotely insolent to ask him for a steer on whether a "one club" should be assessed as one unit or three.
My own parish is 3 x separately constituted clubs by the way. I doubt even our neighbours know that. So we would be one of the main benefactors should the instruction be taken literally.
It might not be insolent to ask. It'd be pretty insolent to whine about being discriminated against.
only in the GAA could this be seen as discrimination
It's money for nothing. No idea why everybody is getting their knickers in a twist. Take the free money and invest it in something for the future generations of your club.
Are rounders and handball clubs included in this?
Are there separated handball clubs?
Are Rounders clubs part of the GAA?
There might be a few separated but most handball clubs that I know of are part of a gaa club (with their own separate handball committee etc but reporting to the main gaa club committee etc)
I presume it's similar for rounders but not sure?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 21, 2023, 04:04:25 PMQuote from: cup1000 on December 20, 2023, 10:27:17 PMAre rounders and handball clubs included in this?
No, according to the article on the opening post of the thread.
The article mentions it's to be invested in Gaelic games / GAA, LGFA and Camogie clubs. Handball and rounders are two Gaelic games alongside football and hurling and both are part of the gaa so they should be included alongside their more popular counterparts IMO.
I wonder have any clubs received their share yet?
It's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
Its a million to each county. I'm not sure how much fairer he can do it.
Quote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 08:44:15 AMIt's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
It's not the reason why Limerick are winning. It helps.
But they put the effort in, at a sustained level, underage. Through their academy.
A fantastic group came through at the same time, over a few years.
Quote from: marty34 on December 22, 2023, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 08:44:15 AMIt's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
It's not the reason why Limerick are winning. It helps.
But they put the effort in, at a sustained level, underage. Through their academy.
A fantastic group came through at the same time, over a few years.
They were handpicked. they got the best coaching. No expense was spared. Don't tell me that money had nothing to do with it. Why didn't Limerick win anything btween 1974 and 2017 ?
Quote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 11:19:30 AMQuote from: marty34 on December 22, 2023, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 08:44:15 AMIt's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
It's not the reason why Limerick are winning. It helps.
But they put the effort in, at a sustained level, underage. Through their academy.
A fantastic group came through at the same time, over a few years.
They were handpicked. they got the best coaching. No expense was spared. Don't tell me that money had nothing to do with it. Why didn't Limerick win anything btween 1974 and 2017 ?
What was the reason other counties were winning in those periods? Was it money and being handpicked?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 22, 2023, 03:14:22 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 11:19:30 AMQuote from: marty34 on December 22, 2023, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 08:44:15 AMIt's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
It's not the reason why Limerick are winning. It helps.
But they put the effort in, at a sustained level, underage. Through their academy.
A fantastic group came through at the same time, over a few years.
They were handpicked. they got the best coaching. No expense was spared. Don't tell me that money had nothing to do with it. Why didn't Limerick win anything btween 1974 and 2017 ?
What was the reason other counties were winning in those periods? Was it money and being handpicked?
It certainly wasn't Mr McManus and nobody ever did 5 in a row (would now be going for 7 if KK hadn't beaten them in 2019).
Quote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 11:19:30 AMQuote from: marty34 on December 22, 2023, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 22, 2023, 08:44:15 AMIt's very generous of McManus but I don't like the influence of (rich people's or unfairly allocated GAA) money in the GAA because it unevens competition levels. Money (from the GAA ) was the reason Dublin won 6 in row and (from McManus) why Limerick are going for 5.
It sucks. I think honest effort is much more honourable and culturally who we are than a team backed with unlimited resources.
Like Derry in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
or Mullinalaghta in 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLxmutEFWM
It's not the reason why Limerick are winning. It helps.
But they put the effort in, at a sustained level, underage. Through their academy.
A fantastic group came through at the same time, over a few years.
They were handpicked. they got the best coaching. No expense was spared. Don't tell me that money had nothing to do with it. Why didn't Limerick win anything btween 1974 and 2017 ?
As I said money helped but it was a once in a lifetime generation of pkayers that came through.
Talented and a great work ethic.
KK did 4 in a row. Who pumped the money and coaching in there?
Glen have won 2 Ulsters, 3 Derrys and 4 Ulster minor championships in a row. Are you telling me it was all about money?
Money certainly helps!
As does being a city, lots of 3rd level Institutions, lots of jobs, players living at home.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2023, 10:54:57 PMAre there separated handball clubs?
Are Rounders clubs part of the GAA?
It must change from county to county because in one county I'm aware of all 5 handball clubs are their own seperate clubs away from the GAA club.
Quote from: JimStynes on December 23, 2023, 09:16:53 AMMoney certainly helps!
But all counties are spending serious amount of money these recent years. Big big money.
It helps, but all counties are on a par.
It's about talent and bringing them through. Clubs deserve great credit in this respect.