The Palestine thread

Started by give her dixie, October 17, 2012, 01:29:42 PM

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seafoid

Quote from: southdown on November 20, 2012, 01:34:14 PM
Correct me if am wrong, but if Palestine were able to get full UN status (that is a bif if) could Israel then be held accountable by the International Criminal Court for their actions?

Is full UN membership a realistic goal, or will the US do all in their powers to veto this.

The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court recently advised that there was no reasonable basis to proceed with any investigation of war crimes or crimes against humanity unless the relevant bodies at the United Nations or the ICC Assembly of States Parties first make a legal determination as to whether or not the victim qualifies as a State. Ambassador Christian Wenaweser, president of the ICC Assembly of State Parties, told Joe Lauria of the WSJ that a Palestinian UN observer state could join the ICC and ask the court to investigate any alleged war crimes and other charges against Israel committed on Palestinian territory after July 2002, including Israel's 2008-09 assault on the Gaza Strip.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576575002527221120.html

The US will not tolerate full UN membership but observer status is not subject to a veto at the security council and
the palestinians are looking at a win in a free vote


According to a Palestinian official, Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair and EU foreign affairs chief Lady Ashton were in Ramallah yesterday to renew efforts to persuade the Palestinian leadership to delay its drive to get the United Nations general assembly to recognise a Palestinian state.   

b**tards

If Israel is exposed to the might of international justice Zionism is toast.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

give her dixie

Thousands of Palestinians are fleeing their homes after Israel dropped leaflets over 300,000 homes.
The leaflets also showed a map and had designated roads for them to travel on.

Tomorrow, you will hear an Israeli spokesperson on the airwaves justifying the slaughter of innocents by telling us that they are a very humane people. They sent them a message, and we even drew a map for them to show them where to go. If they are on the BBC, do not expect an interviewer to challenge them.

George Orwell was right. "War is peace"

next stop, September 10, for number 4......

theskull1

Nothing exposes the corruption of political leaders like this issue. Protecting the claim jumping bully at every turn. Its hard to fathom the level of influence zionists have on so many western powers from politics, media all the way to finance. The other side of the arguement here in the 'free world' never has a chance just like the Palestinians themselves. It really is an ugly world out there
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Nally Stand

Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 03:31:31 PM
Thousands of Palestinians are fleeing their homes after Israel dropped leaflets over 300,000 homes.
The leaflets also showed a map and had designated roads for them to travel on.

Tomorrow, you will hear an Israeli spokesperson on the airwaves justifying the slaughter of innocents by telling us that they are a very humane people. They sent them a message, and we even drew a map for them to show them where to go. If they are on the BBC, do not expect an interviewer to challenge them.

George Orwell was right. "War is peace"

What's your reading of the Egyptians claiming that a truce is imminent, GHD?
"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

give her dixie

It's looking good at this stage Nally. Various well connected sources are confirming a ceasefire from midnight.

However, I still don't trust Israel over the next few hours.

Hamas had laid down a condition for a ceasefire in that the siege had to be lifted.

Apparently, while not a complete lifting is to be announced, a substantial shift is on the cards.

The sad part is, Hilary Clinton is scheduled to appear later to announce the deal. WTF?
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Nally Stand

Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
It's looking good at this stage Nally. Various well connected sources are confirming a ceasefire from midnight.

However, I still don't trust Israel over the next few hours.

Hamas had laid down a condition for a ceasefire in that the siege had to be lifted.

Apparently, while not a complete lifting is to be announced, a substantial shift is on the cards.

The sad part is, Hilary Clinton is scheduled to appear later to announce the deal. WTF?

As you say, they can't be trusted. Even if they do agree to a truce, how many more pounds of flesh will they needlessly claim before midnight?
"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

seafoid

Quote from: Nally Stand on November 20, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
It's looking good at this stage Nally. Various well connected sources are confirming a ceasefire from midnight.

However, I still don't trust Israel over the next few hours.

Hamas had laid down a condition for a ceasefire in that the siege had to be lifted.

Apparently, while not a complete lifting is to be announced, a substantial shift is on the cards.

The sad part is, Hilary Clinton is scheduled to appear later to announce the deal. WTF?

As you say, they can't be trusted. Even if they do agree to a truce, how many more pounds of flesh will they needlessly claim before midnight?
They might send the Phalange in to mop up. I think they did that before somewhere. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

give her dixie

Mark Regev made good on his promise as 2 camera men from Al Aqsa TV were killed in the past 30 minutes.

22 killed today so far.

Now watch this interview with Regev yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU0MLpX2iGw
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

seafoid

Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
Mark Regev made good on his promise as 2 camera men from Al Aqsa TV were killed in the past 30 minutes.

22 killed today so far.

Now watch this interview with Regev yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU0MLpX2iGw
Regev is such a slimeball.


He is the Grand Wizard of hasbara.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

stew

Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: southdown on November 20, 2012, 01:34:14 PM
Correct me if am wrong, but if Palestine were able to get full UN status (that is a bif if) could Israel then be held accountable by the International Criminal Court for their actions?

Is full UN membership a realistic goal, or will the US do all in their powers to veto this.

Yep, as a state, Palestine can take Israel to court and by the time they are finished with them, there wouldn't be much left. As Seafoid said earlier, it would be the end of the Zionist dream and plan.

So, in light of that, never will the US allow that to happen as they hold a veto at the UN. That is the sham of the UN as it's a democracy of one.

The very fact that Obama hasn't been able to say boo so far on the babies getting murdered, and instead justifies their death in a "Israel has the right to defend itself" statement. Pathetic excuse for a human and as a father of 2 young girls, it shows you how much hold Israel have over the US. The US is not allowed to comment and must do as it's told by a lunatic state in the Middle East. It is extremely sad as it makes a complete mockery of the independence of the US.

Towards the US, Israel behaves like a school bully. Every one of his victims hand over their full support and dinner money. Until they grow up and grow a pair of balls, the school bully will reign.

Tell me again why so many of you wanted Obama to win again????

Never mind, Romney would have been just as bad if not worse on this issue, I am beside myself for not having the balls nor intellect to
see through the propaganda and I am ashamed of myself for backing the pro Israeli brigade for so long!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

give her dixie

The bastards are shelling the shit out of Gaza right now. 50 explosions in the past 45 minutes and many injures and some further deaths been reported. I hope all those leaders and politicians are proud of themselves.
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

give her dixie

According to all the people tweeting out of Gaza right now reporting huge explosions going off everywhere. They are under heavy attack in the area's they dropped the leaflets on

North to the south, east to the west, they are getting a full on attack.

Navy ships are shelling all along the coast.

14 killed in the past 3 hours

This is mental. Mental
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Saffrongael

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/11/20/hamas-kills-suspected-col_n_2165236.html

Hamas kills six suspected Israel collaborators

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel in a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.
Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites.
The killing came on the seventh day of an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 120 Palestinians, both militants and civilians. Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes, targeting rocket launching sites, weapons caches and homes of Hamas activists, as Palestinians fired hundreds of rockets at Israel.
Israel relies on a network of local informers to identify its targets in Gaza.
The six were killed on Tuesday afternoon in Gaza City's Sheik Radwan neighborhood.
Witnesses said a van stopped in the intersection, and four masked men pushed the six suspected informers out of the vehicle. Salim Mahmoud, 18, said the gunmen ordered the six to lie face down in the street and then shot them dead. Another witness, 13-year-old Mokhmen al-Gazhali, said the informers were killed one by one, as he mimicked the sound of gunfire.
They said only a few people were in the street at first – most Gazans have been staying indoors because of the Israeli airstrikes – but the crowd quickly grew after the killings. Eventually several hundred men pushed and shoved to get a close look at the bodies, lying in a jumble on the ground. One man spit at the corpses, another kicked the head of one of the dead men.
"They should have been killed in a more brutal fashion so others don't even think about working with the occupation (Israel)," said one of the bystanders, 24-year-old Ashraf Maher.
One body was then tied by a cable to the back of a motorcycle and dragged through the streets. A number of gunmen on motorcycles rode along as the body was pulled past a house of mourning for victims of an Israeli airstrike.
There is broad consensus among Palestinians that informers for Israel deserve harsh punishment, and it is rare to hear someone speak out against killings of alleged collaborators. Such public killings been carried out in the West Bank and Gaza since the first uprising against Israeli occupation in the late 1980s.
In Israel's last major Gaza offensive four years ago, 17 suspected collaborators who fled after their prisons were hit in airstrikes were later shot dead in extra-judicial killings.
During the current offensive, Tuesday's killings brought to eight the number of suspected informers being shot dead in public. On Friday, the body of one alleged informer was found in a garbage bin, and another was shot dead in the street. Hamas claimed responsibility for both killings.
Since seizing Gaza in 2007, Hamas has executed four informers by firing squad, and about a dozen more are on death row in Gaza.
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Puckoon

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-ed-eugene-robinson-112012-20121119,0,6832845.column

The drama unfolding in Gaza seems numbingly familiar. This time, however, there's a big and potentially tragic difference: Not even the actors — Palestinians and Israelis — can possibly know how it will turn out.

How many times must they rehash this tired plot? Resentments build, tensions rise. A disputed border incident provides a spark. Israel reacts with sudden force. Palestinians fire rockets at civilian targets. Israel launches reprisal attacks — first justified, then disproportionate. Anguished women wail at the funerals of dead children. Men swear oaths of vengeance, solemn vows that honor and self-respect will never allow them to break.

The usual ending is a cease-fire and a return to the status quo. But the whole Mideast region is undergoing a process of tumultuous change, and there is no guarantee that the stasis considered "normal" in the occupied territories will ever return.

As President Obama noted, Israel has the absolute right to defend itself against rocket attacks whose sole purpose is to terrorize and kill civilians. Israel does not have a right, in my view, to keep Gaza's 2 million residents under permanent blockade as punishment for choosing officials of Hamas, the Islamist group, as their leadership.

Hamas, of course, has no right to launch rockets at Israel knowing they may fall on schools, hospitals and playgrounds. But Israel has no right to use this flare-up as an excuse for what some commentators have called "mowing the grass" — assassinating Palestinian leaders who have proved particularly effective, destroying infrastructure for the sake of destruction, chalking up civilian casualties in Gaza as an unfortunate side effect.

Israel has the right to exist in peace. Palestinians have the right to an independent state. Each side insists on having its rights fully acknowledged before the other side's rights are even considered.

Enough with rights. Someone has to start dealing with new and unfamiliar realities.

Henry Kissinger's famous observation about Israel's security was that there could be no war without Egypt, no peace without Syria. For more than three decades, Israel has had a peace treaty with Egypt, the Arab world's most populous state, and a strictly observed truce with Syria across the Golan Heights. But then came the Arab Spring.

Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak is gone, replaced by an elected government whose leaders are members of the once-banned Muslim Brotherhood — an organization that has nurtured and supported Hamas. The new government has pledged to honor the treaty, but it is likely to take the plight of the Palestinians much more seriously than did Mubarak, who saw them not as brothers and sisters but as pawns.

Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, meanwhile, is fighting for his regime's survival in a civil war. It is quite possible that the country will fracture — and with it, perhaps, the once-sturdy Golan truce.

Throughout the Arab world, religious parties are demanding — and attaining — new power and influence. There are many reasons for this Islamic ascendance, most of which have nothing to do with Israel. But is the continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza a contributing factor? Yes, without a doubt, if only because it represents Arab humiliation and provides a focal point for a host of grievances.

Another factor to take into account is the influence Iran now has in Syria and Gaza. One of Israel's aims in the current bombing campaign may be to degrade Iran's ability to retaliate — with rockets fired from Gaza — in case of an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. But does anyone really think the regime in Tehran is viewing these events with anything other than smug satisfaction? Perceived Israeli excesses in Gaza — more than 90 people have been killed so far — can only weaken international support for an attack on the nuclear sites.

There are far too many variables for anyone to be confident of what happens next. Perhaps Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh have an exquisite sense of how far they can push before things spin out of control. I hope so.

Both leaders say they want a cease-fire. Once the fighting stops, there must be renewed negotiations toward the obvious two-state solution. The Obama administration should use its power and influence to bring Israelis and Palestinians to the table, kicking and screaming if necessary.

Given the situation, a peace process is likely to be long, bitter and frustrating. But not undertaking one, as everyone should now realize, is much worse.

seafoid

Quote from: give her dixie on November 20, 2012, 06:54:31 PM
According to all the people tweeting out of Gaza right now reporting huge explosions going off everywhere. They are under heavy attack in the area's they dropped the leaflets on

North to the south, east to the west, they are getting a full on attack.

Navy ships are shelling all along the coast.

14 killed in the past 3 hours

This is mental. Mental
there won't be a ceasefire at midnight.
Netanyahu wants to get reelected.

Zionism is insane. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU