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Title: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:09:59 PM
Hi everyone,

This may seem like an entirely random question but here goes.  If someone goes to the doctor and is diagnosed with a condition, and is issued a prescription by the doctor, would the doctor ever know whether or not the patient had actually went to the pharmacy and received the medicine?

Cheers
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 19, 2010, 12:18:32 PM
Trying to double up on the methadone, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: ziggysego on January 19, 2010, 12:21:12 PM
No, not to my knowledge. Why wouldn't want to take the medication?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
Dont think so as i had a thing on my leg one time and had to go get cream for it with prescription. Never did (dont ask). Anyway went back to the doc year later with the same thing and as far as she was concerned i had received and used the first prescription.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 19, 2010, 12:21:12 PM
No, not to my knowledge. Why wouldn't want to take the medication?

Some of the boyos and laydeees on DLA for depression have no call to use the medication  :o
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Orior on January 19, 2010, 12:24:40 PM
I detect a scam being concocted. Please keep us all in the loop.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.  I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
No idea to be honest. When i didnt lift my prescription it was a one off. Sure if people are gona do that why not just lift the prescription and dont use it. As i said above lots on dla for depression have no call for their meds as there damm all wrong with them so obviously dont use them. Though id imagine they would be lifting the prescription from the chemist
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:36:42 PM
Would he not have to pay for the drugs?  Maybe that's why he's not doing it?  Maybe he's just too lazy to go and do it!  either way, he's not lifting them!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Shamrock Shore on January 19, 2010, 12:39:50 PM
A pharmacist may ring a doctor to query a scrip if they think it looks odd but, no, there is no link up between a doctor and a pharmacy to see if the scrip ever gets dispensed.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
Working on an IT project up North to enable pharmacists to be reimbursed for scripts, I was shocked to learn that everyone gets free prescriptions in the North, needless to say we don't...
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:46:41 PM
What u mean everyone gets free prescriptions? No they dont
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I went to the doctor with an ear infection last year and had to pay for the subscription???
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
They used to be 6.95 they are now 3 quid as far as im aware.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 12:49:30 PM
QuoteWhat u mean everyone gets free prescriptions? No they dont

Apart from the nominal fee, is it not the case that until recently something like 90% of the pop in the north got free scripts soon to be 100%? Open to correction..
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:54:45 PM
If your on benefits you dont pay for them, but as far as i was aware the rest of us had to pay. Im open to correction though. Think they are all to be free from april 2010.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 12:59:06 PM
But you only pay a nominal fee, not the full cost of the script...no?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: delboy on January 19, 2010, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.

£3 at the moment, used to be closer to £7, due to be abolished altogether come april.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 12:54:45 PM
If your on benefits you dont pay for them, but as far as i was aware the rest of us had to pay. Im open to correction though. Think they are all to be free from april 2010.
you dont pay for them if you've some medical conditions, I dont pay for mine. 

and no, dr would never know you didnt lift the stuff from the chemist, unless he's suspicious and decides to pick up the phone
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.

Anything from £10 to £80 or more even, we'd be quite envious of that system in the South. Only medical card holders get free scripts down here.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: delboy on January 19, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.

Anything from £10 to £80 or more even, we'd be quite envious of that system in the South. Only medical card holders get free scripts down here.

What rate do you pay national insurance at down there (i assume it exists on top of income tax) something in the order of 11 % up here.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 19, 2010, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.

£3 at the moment, used to be closer to £7, due to be abolished altogether come april.

See my above posts - know all that. Was only questioning what the apparent full charge is. That is what we pay
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: delboy on January 19, 2010, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 19, 2010, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
What would the full cost be? I havnt a clue.

£3 at the moment, used to be closer to £7, due to be abolished altogether come april.

See my above posts - know all that. Was only questioning what the apparent full charge is. That is what we pay

How longs a peice of string, for some scripts like cheap antibiotics a few pence/pounds would cover it, for other drugs such as recombinant proteins like interferon or monoclonal antibody treatments a single script could potentially cost the system thousands.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 19, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
QuoteWhat rate do you pay national insurance at down there (i assume it exists on top of income tax) something in the order of 11 % up here.

Employees pay anything between 4% to 9% depending on income and Employers pay an additional 8.5% on top of that.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 02:29:36 PM
On that note - i have two national insurance numbers - could i not start fiddling the old system some way  :o
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).

And who made you the internet police?

No, in my opinion he is just digging a hole for himself and will live to regret delaying exams and coursework.  In the end he still has to do it!  I agree, nothing to do with my work, and won't affect any marks I get!  I was just surprised someone could cheat the system so easily, that's all!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 02:47:37 PM
You are surprised that someone can cheat the system so easily? R u serious?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:05:52 PM
Yes I am serious!  Obviously very naive on my behalf!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Naiveity can be endearing but dont be surprised about people cheating the system. It goes on in more ways than you would think and goes on everywhere. As for your mates coursework i wouldnt count that as cheating the system.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: johnneycool on January 19, 2010, 03:15:06 PM
I thought that in the North most GP's prescription's came out of their budget so there must have been some way for the GP to know who'd actually bothered to go to the pharmacy to pick up the script even if it was only for financial reasons.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:18:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Naiveity can be endearing but dont be surprised about people cheating the system. It goes on in more ways than you would think and goes on everywhere. As for your mates coursework i wouldnt count that as cheating the system.

Okay, so he fakes a serious mental condition.  He lies to his lecturers, family and the doctor about it.  The only reason he does this is to have more time than normal to do his work.  He gets more time to do his work therefore should get better marks because of this.

How do think he is not cheating the system?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Naiveity can be endearing but dont be surprised about people cheating the system. It goes on in more ways than you would think and goes on everywhere. As for your mates coursework i wouldnt count that as cheating the system.

Also, no need to be patronising
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:21:49 PM
I honestly wasnt - and looking back at that post it appears i was but that wasnt my intention apologies.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
No worries
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: AFS on January 19, 2010, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).

And who made you the internet police?

No, in my opinion he is just digging a hole for himself and will live to regret delaying exams and coursework. In the end he still has to do it!  I agree, nothing to do with my work, and won't affect any marks I get!  I was just surprised someone could cheat the system so easily, that's all!

Not necessarily. I know a lad that deferred his exams at Queens 3 or 4 times over the space of a couple of years because he was 'depressed' and eventually Queens classified him as 'disabled' and let him away with doing coursework only. He got a 2.1 in the end.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:34:12 PM
It's the coursework that this lad has the problem in doing!  If he has a day to do something he'll get it done, but if its months away he'll never start it!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:35:29 PM
Loads people do that though - id never dream of starting something that was due months down the line. Im a last minute person and always have been.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
Have you ever tried doing a dissertation a couple of days before it's due in having not went to any class for that module?  That's the sort of situation my friend finds himself in.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:39:36 PM
Not a dissertation but coursework for a module i never went to one week for. Looking back now i cant remember how i did it or what happened but i obviously must have got it handed in. Also how can u get away with not having started your dissertation a couple days before its due in. Do you not have to meet with your advisor or whatever as you go along? Also a dissertation isnt done on a module you have. The dissertation is the module.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:52:52 PM
Not on my course.  We had 3 hours a week for the dissertation module.  We were shown step by step how the dissertation should be formatted etc and also went over various reports which could be used depending on the module.  We had to do presentations every 2/3 weeks which amounted to 20/25% of the total marks for the dissertation. He didn't do any of the presentations and wasn't chased up!

Anyhow when starting the thread I just assumed that it wouldn't be as easy as it seems but apparently it is!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
Have you ever tried doing a dissertation a couple of days before it's due in having not went to any class for that module?  That's the sort of situation my friend finds himself in.

To quote yourself - "An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class."

Now he's your friend?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
To be honest I was disgusted when I found out what he was doing and that's why at the time I didn't want to call him my friend, but I suppose he is.  I just get very annoyed with him at times.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).
No but someone else is having more time to do something than he is, it's not very fair. 

I know someone that went all through uni cheating in exams.  He brags about it, he's in quite a good job now.  He cheated in every exam he ever done.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 07:57:19 PM
Can the GPs find out if you are not picking up prescriptions. Yes most of this stuff is computerised these days so it is easy to know. In the past they may give the impression of indifference if people aren't picking up prescriptions, etc but they will know generally speaking if people are taking the piss out of them by not getting the medications or getting too much.

The thing about doctors is their code of omerta means they will never throw stones, so you can go to them for sick notes or get the prescritptions for depression or whatever and they will know you are taking the piss but will say nothing.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 07:57:19 PM
Can the GPs find out if you are not picking up prescriptions. Yes most of this stuff is computerised these days so it is easy to know. In the past they may give the impression of indifference if people aren't picking up prescriptions, etc but they will know generally speaking if people are taking the piss out of them by not getting the medications or getting too much.

The thing about doctors is their code of omerta means they will never throw stones, so you can go to them for sick notes or get the prescritptions for depression or whatever and they will know you are taking the piss but will say nothing.

that's not true, my doctor would throw you out on your ear if he thought you were taking the piss!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Puckoon on January 19, 2010, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 07:57:19 PM
Can the GPs find out if you are not picking up prescriptions. Yes most of this stuff is computerised these days so it is easy to know. In the past they may give the impression of indifference if people aren't picking up prescriptions, etc but they will know generally speaking if people are taking the piss out of them by not getting the medications or getting too much.

The thing about doctors is their code of omerta means they will never throw stones, so you can go to them for sick notes or get the prescritptions for depression or whatever and they will know you are taking the piss but will say nothing.

By code of omerta you mean the fact that every script they write helps to line their pockets? Keeps the Drug reps happy? Gets them a free round of golf and dinner here or there?

Omerta me arse.

"Don Pollock will see you now". :D
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Hardy on January 19, 2010, 08:27:52 PM
I'd say I've filled about half the prescriptions I've been given by doctors over the years. Thankfully, I haven't needed to go that often - last time was about 5 years ago. But you'll rarely come out of a surgery without a prescription, whether you need it or not. Antibiotics, painkillers, statins, tranquilisers, anti-inflammatories, sleeping pills are all massively over-prescribed. And usually without any discussion of side-effects, long term effects, etc. The medical profession seems to be obsessed with chemical solutions to every problem. They're great when they're appropriate, but they're not always appropriate.

Typically, I've use the visit for a diagnosis and then decided for myself whether I'll need the stuff they prescribe to get over whatever the problem was or whether the cure might be worse than the disease. 
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: ziggysego on January 19, 2010, 08:41:46 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on January 19, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Naiveity can be endearing but dont be surprised about people cheating the system. It goes on in more ways than you would think and goes on everywhere. As for your mates coursework i wouldnt count that as cheating the system.

Also, no need to be patronising

I don't think tyrone girl is. I think she like the cut of 188's jip and is thinking of giving her bf of hers the heave-ho.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 07:57:19 PM
Can the GPs find out if you are not picking up prescriptions. Yes most of this stuff is computerised these days so it is easy to know. In the past they may give the impression of indifference if people aren't picking up prescriptions, etc but they will know generally speaking if people are taking the piss out of them by not getting the medications or getting too much.

The thing about doctors is their code of omerta means they will never throw stones, so you can go to them for sick notes or get the prescritptions for depression or whatever and they will know you are taking the piss but will say nothing.

that's not true, my doctor would throw you out on your ear if he thought you were taking the piss!

Doctors are a law unto themselves and it is up to each doctor how he runs his clinic. Your doctor would take the direct approach to insincere medical claims, others are snakier and might just put the head down and write the prescription, but that does not mean they have been fooled.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 10:10:15 PM
How does 118cmal know he's faking it and what the fcuk was he doing in his room looking through someone else's prescriptions? Do you even know if they are anti-depressants?

Just because he is not getting the scripts is in no way evidence that he is faking. In fact there is such a stigma round anti-depressants that some people do not want to take them even though they are prescribed them for depression or stress.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).

And who made you the internet police?

No, in my opinion he is just digging a hole for himself and will live to regret delaying exams and coursework.  In the end he still has to do it!  I agree, nothing to do with my work, and won't affect any marks I get!  I was just surprised someone could cheat the system so easily, that's all!

He would want to be very careful with what he is doing going in to a doctor and claiming to mentally ill. One way or another this could come back to haunt him. He should realise that he is now in the system as a mental health patient, do not play such games with your life.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: omagh_gael on January 20, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
What would worry me (coming from a psychology background) is the fact that a doctor would prescribe anti-depressants as a first treatment. Its an issue that bugs me, there is a system in place were people like this should be referred to primary care mental health teams and their needs assessed by specialist mental health professionals, not just drugged up and sent on their way!
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Capt Pat on January 20, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 20, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
What would worry me (coming from a psychology background) is the fact that a doctor would prescribe anti-depressants as a first treatment. Its an issue that bugs me, there is a system in place were people like this should be referred to primary care mental health teams and their needs assessed by specialist mental health professionals, not just drugged up and sent on their way!

That is where the story falls down, does he have previous mental health form?
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: thebigfella on January 20, 2010, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 20, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 20, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
What would worry me (coming from a psychology background) is the fact that a doctor would prescribe anti-depressants as a first treatment. Its an issue that bugs me, there is a system in place were people like this should be referred to primary care mental health teams and their needs assessed by specialist mental health professionals, not just drugged up and sent on their way!

That is where the story falls down, does he have previous mental health form?

Maybe the doctor hasn't prescribed them as a first treatment? There is nothing to suggest based on the posts that he is lying about depression or stress?

The basis of this thread is 118cmal was snooping in someone's room and found these unused prescriptions; now how he knows they are for anti-depressants was not stated but one must assume he has looked at them. If this is the case, I believe this pretty big invasion of privacy and I for one am more curious why he was in this persons room or looking through his personal things or felt the need to post it on a public internet forum?

118mal certainly had a bit of a chip on his shoulder in his first few post regarding the fact this guy is getting extensions and preferential treatment (my comment about addressing him as an acquaintance and later friend sums this up). No where have I read from 118mal (I may have missed it) that this person has admitted to faking this illness? Even if he has, how can you be sure it's not a bit of bravado to cover up, after others found out about the extensions, what is still pretty much a taboo subject among young people?

This person could be faking I fully admit but the usual suspects on the board are queuing up to put the boot in, without knowing any of the facts or making huge assumptions based on a couple of posts. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: Niall Quinn on January 20, 2010, 04:06:43 AM
Reserving judgement isn't much fun to watch on discussion boards.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: TirEoghaingodeo on January 20, 2010, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 19, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: 118cmal on January 19, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I'm afraid TG is correct.  An acquaintance (certainly not a friend) has been going to the doctor claiming depression to help him extend the deadlines for coursework and as an excuse for missing class.   I was in his room and saw a number of prescription leaflets for an anti-depressant that he had received from the doctor but obviously never used.  Pisses me off no end!  >:(

So is there really no way the doctor would ever know that he hadn't actually received the drugs from the pharmacy?

I couldn't believe that it would be that easy.

So what, who made you the Uni police? My suggestion is get on with your own work and forget about what other people do, his actions certainly won't affect your work (unless you happen to get lumped with him in a group project but then again that may play into your hands  ;)).

And who made you the internet police?

No, in my opinion he is just digging a hole for himself and will live to regret delaying exams and coursework.  In the end he still has to do it!  I agree, nothing to do with my work, and won't affect any marks I get!  I was just surprised someone could cheat the system so easily, that's all!

He would want to be very careful with what he is doing going in to a doctor and claiming to mentally ill. One way or another this could come back to haunt him. He should realise that he is now in the system as a mental health patient, do not play such games with your life.


Just felt the need to point out the stupidity of your posts on this page. Although depression is a mental illness, i don't think there's much stigma to having had depression at some point.
'Paying games with your life' - ffs are you a Daily Mail reader or something.
'Doctors are a law unto themselves' - how's that now?

for the record no doctor will check if a prescription is picked up.
Title: Re: FAO Doctors/Pharmacists/Chemists
Post by: TirEoghaingodeo on January 20, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 20, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
What would worry me (coming from a psychology background) is the fact that a doctor would prescribe anti-depressants as a first treatment. Its an issue that bugs me, there is a system in place were people like this should be referred to primary care mental health teams and their needs assessed by specialist mental health professionals, not just drugged up and sent on their way!


Lovely thought, but i don't think you realise how many peolpe attend their GP for depression. That waiting list to have maybe one hundred thousand plus people in NI alone assessed will be fun, esp since this systems is overstretched at the minute. How many people can these primary care mental health teams see?
It's easy to criticize doctors, but if you're a GP in Belfast you'll see 30+ patients a day, half of whom will be depressed. That gives you about 10 minutes to treat depression. The next problem is that a lot of these people are depressed because their lives aren't as nice as those they see in Heat or OK, and they somehow think a pill is going to change all that.