China Coronavirus

[rodney trotter]

What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.

Many months?

It could be 12 months or more before there is a chance it will be gone.  Varadkar wasn't optimistic chatting yesterday, saying there could be 85,000 deaths in Ireland.

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Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it's always someone else's fault.

No.

Its blindingly obvious that in this case, the actions of any individual can only do so much.


Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.

By keeping the existence of the virus to the border entry points only, the burden on health could be managed. NHS/HSE under too much strain? Reduce the flux through the borders.


That would have had a lower impact on the economy than the massive disruption this will cause on a large scale... unless you think the Italian economy is working full steam this week?


Unfortunately, that option was not considered in time. In another 6-8 weeks, I'll reckon they wish they could turn back time and make a different decision.

Utter nonsense.

[RadioGAAGAA]

First, "Ireland (and the rest of UK)"? 

Clumsy way of saying these islands.

Second, how does "largely self-sufficient" apply in the greater scheme of things here? For example, the UK cannot produce enough food to sufficiently feed its resident population and in fact hasn't been able to do so for nearly two centuries (at present it only produces around 55% of consumption) so rationing would almost certainly have to be brought in there.

So be it. Would also fix the obesity problem!

Does the shutting of border outlets work both ways, or just going in?

Just going in, you can leave, but be aware that if you come back, your going through the same tight several week quarantine system.

How does potential urgent repatriation of Irish & British citizens be possibly accommodated, let alone those whom are outside the country on a short term basis when the announcement is made of the border being shut (e.g. Lorry drivers)?

Coming back from anywhere more than 200 miles from a known corona virus case and you are likely OK.

Any less and you are in quarantine.

If that means a bit of buffering before taking everyone back, so be it.

Is the closure effectively sealed, or is a limited amount of material & goods allowed to be imported (e.g. essential medical supplies that aren't manufactured locally)? Also, within the local context here, how does the border between NI & ROI be managed, and would there be restrictions on travel between NI & GB? The foot & mouth crises of 2001 would appear to suggest that significant action would be taken in both cases to restrict people's movement. That then falls on to knock-on effects that such decisions have at least in the short term on work & economic activity?

Goods are OK, they can sit for a period before moving on or the containers can be disinfected and I don't believe there are any known cases of transmission via goods yet.

A sealed good should be OK due to hygiene regulations on the source side.




The idea that even yesterday, the HSE was saying don't travel to parts of Northern Italy, but the rest is uncommented on is ludicrous. The idea that anyone coming back from continental Europe right now is not in isolation is madness. What on earth do they expect to happen?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Utter nonsense.

Thanks for yet another valuable contribution there tinfoil hat.

[clarshack]

Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it's always someone else's fault.

No.

Its blindingly obvious that in this case, the actions of any individual can only do so much.


Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.

By keeping the existence of the virus to the border entry points only, the burden on health could be managed. NHS/HSE under too much strain? Reduce the flux through the borders.


That would have had a lower impact on the economy than the massive disruption this will cause on a large scale... unless you think the Italian economy is working full steam this week?


Unfortunately, that option was not considered in time. In another 6-8 weeks, I'll reckon they wish they could turn back time and make a different decision.

Utter nonsense.

We should be locking down the country now as what Italy are currently doing. It will be too late doing it in 4-5 weeks.

[imtommygunn]

Now is the time to do it IMO. 4 or 5 weeks time and the horse has bolted.

[Milltown Row2]

End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn't recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money

[BennyCake]

It really does defy belief that Cheltenham is going ahead.

Looks like Boris is going to wait as long as possible to take action in case it annoys his buddies in the City

Yep and yep.

Thousands of Irish there and could bring it home. As well as everywhere else.

And yes, that's it in a nutshell.

[imtommygunn]

It really is the worst possible prime minister for such a scenario.

(You could take the last 4 words away there too).

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-keep-watch-on-evolving-situation-as-fears-grow-for-league-1.4197786

[armaghniac]

End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn't recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money

He was talking bollix. The economy will recover rightly. The Germans have the same problem.

[Baile Brigín 2]

End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn't recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money

He was talking bollix. The economy will recover rightly. The Germans have the same problem.

All the more reason for them to look for their money.

There are lots of people that the loss of 2 weeks earnings will put them under.

[highorlow]

Appears that the life of this is 6 weeks.

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What keeps the economy going if the country shuts down for 4-6 weeks? I could work with 2 weeks self isolation. But if it is 4-6 weeks complete quarantine and our business stops what should I do? 

[larryin89]

But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .