Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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Rossfan

That good lady usually does talk sense.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

yellowcard

It looks like Cummings with Johnson there as a front, is trying to push a no deal through by the back door. The chances of another Scottish referendum just increased infinitely today with the blatant disregard for parliamentary democracy and the economic future of the UK. Scottish Tories gone into hiding and they will be wiped out now if there is an election which looks increasingly likely. Another Scottish drive for independence will inevitably lead to louder calls for a border poll here. BBC Parliament ratings for next week will be unprecedented.

yellowcard

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 28, 2019, 03:32:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
It looks like Cummings with Johnson there as a front, is trying to push a no deal through by the back door. The chances of another Scottish referendum just increased infinitely today with the blatant disregard for parliamentary democracy and the economic future of the UK. Scottish Tories gone into hiding and they will be wiped out now if there is an election which looks increasingly likely. Another Scottish drive for independence will inevitably lead to louder calls for a border poll here. BBC Parliament ratings for next week will be unprecedented.
Technically, Scotland cannot hold (another) independence referendum without Westminster approval. If the current government there refused to allow one, then what next? Hold a "defiance" poll similar to the one Catalonia did, or even go full UDI?

The UK is going to sh*t right now.

I don't expect that the current government will last long and it is anybody's guess as to the make up of the next parliament. If the UK leaves without a deal which appears to be the path on which this current government is set, then a 2nd Scottish independence referendum is inevitable imo. There is no doubt that the UK is in the midst of chaos.

Keyser soze

Any chance that Boris suspending parliament is a means for him to push through a NI only backstop, and then go for an election having secured a deal? It appears to me he has effectively neutered the DUP at Westminster though they have greeted the suspension of parliament as a great blow in the fight for democracy lol.

bennydorano

Boris doesn't want a deal, if the EU called his bluff and relented on the backstop he'd shit himself. The withdrawal agreement without the backstop would still struggle to get through Parliament. A Vote of no confidence would seem to be the only option left for Remainers, but Cummins probably has a plan for that too.

Keyser soze

Quote from: bennydorano on August 28, 2019, 04:12:51 PM
Boris doesn't want a deal, if the EU called his bluff and relented on the backstop he'd shit himself. The withdrawal agreement without the backstop would still struggle to get through Parliament. A Vote of no confidence would seem to be the only option left for Remainers, but Cummins probably has a plan for that too.

I would say Boris would take a deal with a NI only backstop in a heartbeat, didn't he vote for TM's deal more than once also.

Surely he won't need Parliaments backing as he is suspending them?

Eamonnca1

How is this not a coup?

Applesisapples

The DUP led by anti-Irish bigotry are cheerfully driving a coach and horses through the constitution of their precious union. Any semblance of economic intellect has been jettisoned by the party that in bringing us cash for ash are now preparing to ransom Boris. The revenge of theUK parliament and the Tories will follow at the next election. Not that I give a stuff about the queen, but the position they have put her in by supporting Trump Junior shows no respect for her as monarch.

BennyCake

DUP will do anything to stay in the Union. On the other side, SF will do anything to get a United Ireland. All of them, a shower of fuckwits.

Common sense doesn't and won't come into this Brexit situation. They're all like rutting stags showing who's in control and none of them will back down.

In or out, deal or no deal, you can be sure the political parasites won't be suffering over any Brexit outcome. It'll be Joe Soap.

omaghjoe

#7839
    Hmm well things just got interesting again..... Channel 4 news the nite for sure

    Ive only just heard a few bits and bobs nothing from parliamentary experts but it seems to me that


    • this was an option that was always on the cards and while it may seems a bit soon to press the nuclear button, time was also running out?
    • also despite what all those opposed are saying... it is within the proper procedure? tho the reason for it is obviously corrupt and attempt to subvert parliament on the brexit issue

Is there time for a vote of confidence before hand?



seafoid

    Quote from: omaghjoe on August 28, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
    Hmm well things just got interesting again..... Channel 4 news the nite for sure

    Ive only just heard a few bits and bobs nothing from parliamentary experts but it seems to me that



    • this was an option that was always on the cards and while it may seems a bit soon to press the nuclear button, time was also running out?
    also despite what all those opposed are saying... it is within the proper procedure? tho the reason for it is obviously corrupt and attempt to subvert parliament on the brexit issue [/li][/list]
    FT showed a YouGov poll

    27% of the general population approve
    9% of Remain voters
    51% of Leave voters
    [/list]


    Is there time for a vote of confidence before hand?
    "f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

    bennydorano

    Also, if the EU does backtrack on the backstop the UK Parliament won't be able to pass it anyway if the prorogation is successful.  Some top work there???

    Solo_run

    What's dangerous is that there are two parties in Westminster who couldn't care less about GFA that could bring about another wave of violence

    maddog

    Apparently Ruth Davison stepping down. Knows there is an election coming and going to be wiped out in Scotland?

    omaghjoe

    Quote from: bennydorano on August 28, 2019, 05:53:21 PM
    Also, if the EU does backtrack on the backstop the UK Parliament won't be able to pass it anyway if the prorogation is successful.  Some top work there???

    YEah looks like he forgot he was making that argument and blaming the EU for not negotiating. The softer stance they took was probably unexpected when this was the plan all along.

    I think a vote of no confidence in the government will proceed.... be lost and then the GE which No.10 was gearing up for all along....
    It will be a real challenge to unite the no-deal side in a GE at this point... if they dont the Tories would win a majority with possibly some help from the Brexit party.