The Sunday Game

[An Fhairche Abu]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

[marty34]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

Spillane just tries to throw out as many stats as he can inside a 10 minute period.

Bamboozle us with stats for the sake of it.

[Derryman forever]

There always seems to be  a wee bit of mysogny  floating about. Not really appropriate.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

There always seems to be  a wee bit of mysogny  floating about. Not really appropriate.

Agreed, I am not for this 50/50 gender thingy for the sake of it but analysis is about intelligence and there is no reason why Cora wouldnt be better than any man at that.

[thewobbler]

There always seems to be  a wee bit of mysogny  floating about. Not really appropriate.

This isn't misogyny and to suggest so is lazy thinking.

I don't want Spillane as a pundit because he's loud and lazy. I don't like Whelan as a pundit as he is lazy and takes no interest in the finer points of the game. I don't like Gooch as a pundit because if he has insight then he's unwilling to express it. I don't like Cavanagh because he's basically Whelan all over again.

But nor do I wish these players to be replaced by career D4 footballers whose highlights reel consists of getting whalloped by Dublin in the LSFC every year. Nor do I wish them to be replaced by top class club players who were unwilling to commit to county football for any extended period of time. Nor do I want them to be replaced by females who cannot relate to playing in such a prestigious competition, in front of such healthy crowds, and against such physically imposing, tactically informed opponents.

It's not misogyny to suggest that Sky have proven it's possible to find and cultivate top class GAA analysts, but whose every word is validated by their playing and management experiences.

That's not misogyny.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

Ignore them lad, you made your point well. Maith Thú

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

There always seems to be  a wee bit of mysogny  floating about. Not really appropriate.

This isn't misogyny and to suggest so is lazy thinking.

I don't want Spillane as a pundit because he's loud and lazy. I don't like Whelan as a pundit as he is lazy and takes no interest in the finer points of the game. I don't like Gooch as a pundit because if he has insight then he's unwilling to express it. I don't like Cavanagh because he's basically Whelan all over again.

But nor do I wish these players to be replaced by career D4 footballers whose highlights reel consists of getting whalloped by Dublin in the LSFC every year. Nor do I wish them to be replaced by top class club players who were unwilling to commit to county football for any extended period of time. Nor do I want them to be replaced by females who cannot relate to playing in such a prestigious competition, in front of such healthy crowds, and against such physically imposing, tactically informed opponents.

It's not misogyny to suggest that Sky have proven it's possible to find and cultivate top class GAA analysts, but whose every word is validated by their playing and management experiences.

That's not misogyny.

its all about the money with Sky, thats what they are about

[seafoid]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

About 20% of Joe Brollys stories are true, but good craic all the same, bar stool banter

[seafoid]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

About 20% of Joe Brollys stories are true, but good craic all the same, bar stool banter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCuMgb2ibwY&t=23s

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

About 20% of Joe Brollys stories are true, but good craic all the same, bar stool banter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCuMgb2ibwY&t=23s

Class!

[Milltown Row2]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

Ignore them lad, you made your point well. Maith Thú

So I'll go back to my point earlier, why are there no men regularly commentating on ladies football or holding the presenters job? good for the goose and all that..

[An Fhairche Abu]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

You can have both on the SG, we shouldn't have to accept that decent analysis and entertainment have to be mutually exclusive.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

Ignore them lad, you made your point well. Maith Thú

So I'll go back to my point earlier, why are there no men regularly commentating on ladies football or holding the presenters job? good for the goose and all that..

Thery always are, TG4. Why are men managing them when they have never played ? They don't know what it's like to have a period or rear wains lol. Dead duck debate

[seafoid]

I think we are looking for different things, I'm looking for someone who can better explain the how and why of what is happening in the match happening right now, that's analysis to me.
Someone who has experienced the big day themselves can tell us of the pressure the players are under, ok great, what does that give me when I want to know why one teams LHB is doing wreck on the pitch, how a previously dominant midfielder is being bypassed, how the HF line off camera are taking turns in dropping back cutting off that ball over the top of the HB line. Does that all come back to knowing what is like to be able to carry the weight of a county? For me it certainly doesn't, being able to tell me how men representing their county on the biggest day are under pressure is a level of insight from their own experience obviously, how many times do we need to be told that though really?

Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane can tell us all about being there on the big day, they offer nothing in terms of insight bar clichés and platitudes at this stage but as I said, we seem to be looking for very different things here.

TSG may not be the forum for that. Specialised analysis draws a smaller audience online.
TSG gets a huge audience. The Lowest Common Denominator wants entertainment, emotion and football. Ask Joe Brolly.
It's like the difference between a sports newspaper and the Irish Independent.
The nutritional content in TSG is quite low.

You can have both on the SG, we shouldn't have to accept that decent analysis and entertainment have to be mutually exclusive.

Of course you can but ultimately it's driven by the audience imo. Same for the Late Late Show.