Middle East landscape rapidly changing

Started by give her dixie, January 25, 2011, 02:05:36 PM

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Mike Sheehy

Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2011, 09:54:48 PM
Here's an example for you, MikeSheehy. You should inform yourself about how Israel works

DBG April 21, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Shingo,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Cairo_pogrom

Chaos4700 April 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Speaking of which, Shingo, check the history on that entry. It's not even a month old! And the citations reference the Jewish Virtual Library and the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.

Israel has been spinning about pogroms in egypt since Mubarak was deposed. There was no 1945 Cairo pogrom either.

Do you know who Beitar Jerusalem are ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4pzjebgSM&feature=fvsr
We hate Hapoel Tel Aviv, we hate Sakhnin, we hate Arabs

So you are using wikipedia as your "proof" that Israel is behind the recent Muslim v Christian clashes ? ....and are you saying that some moronic soccer fans with links to a right wing movement in Israel is somehow connected with the Muslim v Christian clashes in Egypt ?  ::)

Also, who says there was no Pogrom in Cairo in 1945 ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/books/chapters/1st-chapter-jihad-and-jew-hatred.html

"In 1945 the worst anti-Jewish pogroms in Egypt's history were perpetrated in Cairo. On November 2, 1945, on the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration, demonstrators "broke into the Jewish quarter, plundered houses and shops, attacked non-Muslims, and devastated the adjacent Ashkenazi synagogue before finally setting it on fire." The event left some 400 people injured and a policeman dead. Meanwhile in Alexandria, at least five people were killed in the course of even more violent riots "which according to a British embassy official were clearly anti-Jewish and, to his relief, not directed against the British." A few weeks later Islamist newspapers "launched a frontal attack against Egypt's Jews as being Zionists, Communists, capitalists, bloodsuckers, traffickers in arms, white slave-traders and, more generally, a 'subversive element' in all states and societies", and called for a boycott of Jewish goods."


http://www.sis.gov.eg/vr/figures/english/html/azzam.htm

"Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam (1893 - 1976) was an Egyptian diplomat, with family origins in Egypt. He served as the first secretary-general of the Arab League between 1945 and 1952. Azzam also had a long career as an ambassador and parliamentarian. He was an Egyptian nationalist and one of the foremost proponents of pan-Arab idealism and was passionately opposed to the partition of Palestine. One of Azzam's first acts as secretary-general was to condemn anti-Jewish rioting in Egypt of November 2-3, 1945 during which Jewish and other non-Muslim owned shops were destroyed and the Ashkenazi synagogue in Cairo's Muski quarter was set aflame."


seafoid

Mikesheehy

You have to do better than that. Give me some sources and references on the famous 1945 pogrom when you get a minute. Does Tom Cooney have anything ?

Matthias Küntzel seems to have built a career out of finding Nazism in the Middle East

Thttp://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/iranian-antisemitism-stepchild-of-german-national-socialismhe
Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs IV:1, January 2010
Iranian Antisemitism: Stepchild of German National Socialism

How incredible that this thesis finds such a welcome home in Israel. I can't understand that.

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Matthias_K%C3%BCntzel
Matthias Küntzel (born 1955), is a German author and a political scientist best known for his belief that Islamists movements are essentially fascistic and anti-Semitic and thus comparable with the Third Reich.

Do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are the Third Reich too ?   
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Ayn Rand, the poster woman of neoliberalism, on why the Arabs will never make anything of themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU

Very interesting to watch post Tahrir Square
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

#408
Here is Jew hating antisemite Jew Carlo Strenger writing in the Jew hating antisemitic Israeli rag Ha'aretz but what would he know, the hate-filled bigot ? 


The right's insistence on the status quo is not only risky, it will unfailingly lead to the end of Israel's existence as a democratic country with a Jewish character. It has proven to be incapable of dealing with Hamas, Hezbollah or any of Israel's other major security threats.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/israel-has-only-one-option-when-it-comes-to-iran-1.361290



and Gideon Levy :

Anyone who says "it's not apartheid" is invited to reply: Why is an Israeli allowed to leave his country for the rest of his life, and nobody suggests that his citizenship be revoked, while a Palestinian, a native son, is not allowed to do so? Why is an Israeli allowed to marry a foreigner and receive a residency permit for her, while a Palestinian is not allowed to marry his former neighbor who lives in Jordan? Isn't that apartheid? Over the years I have documented endless pitiful tragedies of families that were torn apart, whose sons and daughters were not permitted to live in the West Bank or Gaza due to draconian rules - for Palestinians only.
Take Dalal Rasras, for example, a toddler with cerebral palsy from Beit Omar, who was recently separated from her mother for months only because her mother was born in Rafah. Only after her case was publicized did Israel let the mother return to her daughter "beyond the letter of the law" - the cruel letter of the law that does not permit residents of Gaza to live in the West Bank, even if they have made their homes there.


"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Tyrones own

Quote from: Tyrones own on May 12, 2011, 01:41:46 AM
Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2011, 12:46:46 AM
Are we now seeing a case of 'be careful what you wish for' in Egypt?  Christians and Muslims are fighting against each other in the street, food prices have doubled and there are widespread protests at the leadership of Tantawi and Sharaf.  The vibrant tourist industry has been ruined for years to come, unemployment has increased and over 800 people have had to die to achieve this.
I'm genuinely interested in hearing the views of those who were most vocal in their support of the revolution on where it has all went wrong / where does Egypt go from here?
You simply asked a reasonable question Franko and what do ye get?.... a scattering session, if it's linking
everything under the Sun that goes on in the world to either the US or Israel, they're now reduced to finding
a link between Egypt and Ireland in order to save face  :D

FFS answer the man's question...I'm sure there's more than him that would like to hear an answer to it
..especially having taken a little time to go back over the thread, it's no wonder their all over the place  :D
Bump...  ;)
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
  - Walter Lippmann

PadraicHenryPearse

i dont want to get involved in this debate (if you can call it that) but TO you of all people should not be pointing out one posters lack of an answer to a question  ::)

Tyrones own

Quotei dont want to get involved in this debate
Shocker..of course you don't, that's my point!
Some here had plenty to say at the time about how wonderful it
was but now of course that it's been a case of out of the pan
and into the fire, it's staring at the shoes while mumbling incoherently time for ye ::)
Quotebut TO you of all people should not be pointing out one posters lack of an answer to a question
In Gallsman's own words "Sorry, I don't bother to answer pointless, idiotic questions."
What's good for the goose is good for the gander or are the rules different for me :-\
But what question is it that I'm supposed to have left unanswered ???

Lord knows I get a lot of them from the relay team here in a meager attempt
to keep me back on my heels...not easy keeping up you see.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
  - Walter Lippmann

mylestheslasher

Wasn't there a civil war when the brits were put out of the us and same in Ireland. Obviously it would have been better to stay enslaved under British rule rather than depart down the rocky road to self determination and democracy.

Tyrones own

Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 12, 2011, 08:17:17 PM
Wasn't there a civil war when the brits were put out of the us and same in Ireland. Obviously it would have been better to stay enslaved under British rule rather than depart down the rocky road to self determination and democracy.
Thought you were ignoring me  :-\ But now that I have your attention, question;
What foreign aggressor was Egypt in need of ousting here?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
  - Walter Lippmann

seafoid

Quote from: Tyrones own on May 12, 2011, 08:33:19 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 12, 2011, 08:17:17 PM
Wasn't there a civil war when the brits were put out of the us and same in Ireland. Obviously it would have been better to stay enslaved under British rule rather than depart down the rocky road to self determination and democracy.
Thought you were ignoring me  :-\ But now that I have your attention, question;
What foreign aggressor was Egypt in need of ousting here?

Mubarak's Egypt was a client state of the US . Why do you think Egypt had a contract selling gas at significantly below market prices to Israel, TO, while 40% of Egyptians lived on less than $2 a day?  You must know how many suspects on your glorious War on Terror were waterboarded in Egypt.

Why do you think Israel begged the Egyptians to keep Mubarak and warned the EU aabout saying anything negative about him? Why did Peres call Mubarak a statesman ?

Egypt kicked out Mubarak and Suleiman because the US poodle role delivered nothing for the people.   
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote
i dont want to get involved in this debate

Shocker..of course you don't, that's my point!
Some here had plenty to say at the time about how wonderful it
was but now of course that it's been a case of out of the pan
and into the fire, it's staring at the shoes while mumbling incoherently time for ye
Firstly the debate i didn't want to get invovled in was the seafoid/msheedy ramblings who were posting links to support their general arguments without actually adressing each other in any meaningful way.

I don't remember once commenting on how there would be a peaceful transition but you go ahead and lump me in with "ye".  it fits your case so it has to be right  ::)

you ignored what was Obama hiding question i asked. You then as usual turned it back on me. I gave an answer but you suddenly disappeared from that thread. On a Smaller matter you were asked were you male or female? a Simple question for most but you again refused to answer. Now that probably falls into idoitic/pointless question category but it is in keeping with your general posts.

I've questioned you on this before your need to insult and demean other opinion rather that answer questions or give your own opinions, your use of smileys etc. I've now started to use them when replying to you. Which you didnt seem to like either.

As always a pleasure TO  :-\

seafoid

Videos on Israel's  1948 ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population of the Holy Land.

http://nakbasurvivor.imeu.net/


It wasn't Palestinians who ran the gas chambers.
And the vast majority of Jews didn't live in Palestine either.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Mike Sheehy

Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2011, 10:01:30 PM
Videos on Israel's  1948 ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population of the Holy Land.

http://nakbasurvivor.imeu.net/


It wasn't Palestinians who ran the gas chambers.
And the vast majority of Jews didn't live in Palestine either.

Its quite sickening how you hide your obvious anti-semitism behind the palestinian-Israeli conflict. No right thinking person disputes that the Palestinians were shafted and that Israel has a lot to answer for (as do Hamas and all other extremists) . However,  your totally one-eyed stance on this conflict points at a deeper motive. You have yet to retract your statement that Israel has no right to exist and, given the troubling implications of that statement, you are hardly in a position to lecture the board about who ran the gas chambers  ::)

seafoid

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/05/palestinians-are-driving-the-train-of-history-now-beinart-acknowledges.html#more-42829

Palestinians are driving the train of history now, Beinart acknowledges
by Philip Weiss on May 16, 2011

Peter Beinart has a good piece at Daily Beast.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-16/israels-palestinian-arab-spring-jews-and-americans-losing-ability-to-shape-mideast/

Yes I've been saying this for a while. But a good thing that he and the mainstream are waking up. Not denying the moment. This is the greatest wisdom of Rabbi Hillel, readers: If not now, when? (Oh by the way Sullivan is hip too.)
What hit Israel yesterday was the Palestinian version of the Arab spring. Something fundamental has changed. I grew up believing that we—Americans and Jews—were the shapers of history in the Middle East....

For millennia, we [Jews] had been acted upon. Mere decades earlier, American Jews had watched, trembling and inarticulate, as European Jews were destroyed. But it was that very impotence that made possible the triumph of Zionism, a movement aimed at snatching history's reins from gentiles, and perhaps even God. Beginning in the early 20th century, Zionists created facts on the ground. Sometimes the great powers applauded; sometimes they condemned, but acre by acre, Jews seized control of their fate. As David Ben-Gurion liked to say, "Our future does not depend on what gentiles say but on what Jews do." The Arabs reacted with fury, occasional violence, and in Palestine, a national movement of their own. But they could rarely compete, either politically or militarily. We went from strength to strength; they never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

That world is gone. America and Israel are no longer driving history in the Middle East; for the first time in a long time, Arabs are.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Mike Sheehy

Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2011, 04:09:56 PM
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/05/palestinians-are-driving-the-train-of-history-now-beinart-acknowledges.html#more-42829

That world is gone. America and Israel are no longer driving history in the Middle East; for the first time in a long time, Arabs are.

..until, of course, events happen that do not fit in with your neat little narrative (e.g recent muslim v Copt clashes) , in which case Arabs will then, suddenly, not be in control of their own destiny and , instead it will be a sinister US/zionist conspiracy.