Middle East landscape rapidly changing

[Mike Sheehy]

The landscape certainly changed tonight as President Morsi in Egypt has been overthrown in what can only be described as a "Coup D'Etat"

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood won a democratic election, and despite promising so much, they delivered very little in the eyes of most Egyptians.

The following days are going to be very interesting.....

I think the Yanks kept funding the army.

Egypt is a total mess. Very hard to triangulate between American geopolitical needs, the requirement for the economy to keep paying for stuff and the wishes of the people .

I wonder did Mohammed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party enjoy the same amount of 'International Aid' as Mubarak did?

Talking out your hole as usual. What is going on in Egypt has sweet eff all to do with "American geopolitical needs".

[johnneycool]

The landscape certainly changed tonight as President Morsi in Egypt has been overthrown in what can only be described as a "Coup D'Etat"

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood won a democratic election, and despite promising so much, they delivered very little in the eyes of most Egyptians.

The following days are going to be very interesting.....

I think the Yanks kept funding the army.

Egypt is a total mess. Very hard to triangulate between American geopolitical needs, the requirement for the economy to keep paying for stuff and the wishes of the people .

I wonder did Mohammed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party enjoy the same amount of 'International Aid' as Mubarak did?

Talking out your hole as usual. What is going on in Egypt has sweet eff all to do with "American geopolitical needs".

That big long border with Israel would suggest different.

[seafoid]

The landscape certainly changed tonight as President Morsi in Egypt has been overthrown in what can only be described as a "Coup D'Etat"

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood won a democratic election, and despite promising so much, they delivered very little in the eyes of most Egyptians.

The following days are going to be very interesting.....

I think the Yanks kept funding the army.

Egypt is a total mess. Very hard to triangulate between American geopolitical needs, the requirement for the economy to keep paying for stuff and the wishes of the people .

I wonder did Mohammed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party enjoy the same amount of 'International Aid' as Mubarak did?

Talking out your hole as usual. What is going on in Egypt has sweet eff all to do with "American geopolitical needs".

Of course. The Yanks prop up the Egyptian army with $2bn a year because they love Umm Kulthoum

[seafoid]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jul/04/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-morsi-unrest-protests

With 40% of Egyptians already below the UN poverty line of less than £2 a day, Morsi's IMF-inspired policies amounted to a form of economic warfare on the Egyptian people. To make matters worse, as Egypt's economic crisis made it harder to arrange payments, wheat imports dropped sharply - between 1 January and 20 February, the country bought around 259,043 tonnes, roughly a third of what it purchased in the same period a year ago. Coupled with ongoing unemployment and poverty, Morsi's Egypt was a time-bomb waiting to explode.
Post-Morsi, Egypt still faces the same challenges, which have worsened under the Brotherhood's mismanagement. In the long term, the country also faces a growing demographic crisis. Currently at 84 million, the population is projected to increase to an estimated 100 million after about a decade.
In this sense, Egypt is in some ways a microcosm of our global challenges. With the age of cheap oil well and truly behind us, an age of climate extremes and population growth ahead, we should expect increasing food prices for the foreseeable future. This in turn will have consequences. For the last few years, the food price index has fluctuated above the critical threshold for probability of civil unrest.
Unless Egypt's leaders and activists begin taking stock of the convergence of crises unraveling the social fabric, their country faces a permanent future of intensifying turmoil.
And that lesson, in a world facing rising food, water and energy challenges, is one no government can afford to ignore.

[mylestheslasher]

This man was elected democratically was he not?

[Count 10]

This man was elected democratically was he not?

He was, as were Hamas.

[seafoid]

The Israelis would like a return to the old days when the Yanks chose the leaders


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/former-israeli-envoy-in-cairo-egypt-s-problems-are-chronic-disease-1.533824


Former Israeli envoy in Cairo: Egypt's problems are chronic disease
Eli Shaked accuses United States of harboring illusions about democracy in the Middle East, says Muslim Brotherhood will likely be banned from next election.
By DPA | Jul.04, 2013 | 6:03 PM |   1
      


Eli Shaked, the Israeli ambassador in Cairo from 2004-2005, says he "does not envy" Egypt's future leadership, which will have to cope with the huge problems that the Muslim Brotherhood was unable to solve in a year in power.He told DPA in an interview Thursday: "We very much hope that they will be able to restore law and order and stability in the country." "I don't envy the Egyptian leaders, today and in the future, because the problems in Egypt are like a chronic disease. They are so big, so malignant, that it is very, very difficult for me to see what kind of miracles the next leader or the next leadership of Egypt can bring about."
What do you regard as the most harrowing of those problems?
"Egypt is 1 million square kilometers, but on only 4 percent, you have 90 million living there and you have 1.5 million new babies every year and this is a disaster. "This young society is unemployed. There is no way to supply proper schools, nurseries, kindergartens, hospitals, jobs after university. By law the government has to employ all university graduates. This is from the socialist times in the 1950s of [former president Gamal] Abdel Nasser. But at the time Egypt was 20 million and not more.

What can be expected of the democratic process in Egypt?

"I don't see the Egyptian military giving a second opportunity to the Muslim Brotherhood to be elected in democratic or non-democratic elections that will be take place sometime in the future. "I'm sure they will not let the Muslim Brotherhood establish a party, normal party to participate in the next elections.
"Historically, since the very beginning of the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1920s, more than 80 years ago ... the military in Egypt fought the Muslim Brotherhood very, very harshly.Islamists who raised their heads too much were thrown immediately in jail. [Former Egyptian president Mohammed] Morsi is one of the examples. There will be no democracy in the Middle East for many, many years.

"Democratic Washington has many illusions. Washington is a friend of ours, of you and us, but they are not realistic. They betrayed [former Egyptian president Hosni] Mubarak. They betrayed Morsi. They betrayed the Shah of Iran in 1979.

"They, the Americans, by demanding democratic elections in the West Bank and Gaza in 2006, by putting this demand, pressure on the Palestinian Authority and Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas], they brought Hamas to power through democratic means.

"In Iran in 1979, the Shah was expelled, betrayed by the United States and through democratic elections, the Americans, the Israelis, all of us got ... [Ayatollah] Khomeini as the leader of Iran. We lost Iran. "Gaza was lost to Hamas. Mubarak was kicked out and stabbed in the back because [President Barack] Obama and his administration demanded that he take seriously the pressure of the people. Democratization is a process. You don't jump. You have to build it bottom up."

What are the consequences of the developments in Egypt for Israel?

"We have concerns about the situation in the Sinai Peninsula in particular, but not only. In the Sinai ... it is an issue of security, because the area has become a launching pad for terrorists for attacks against Israel.
"The Egyptian military and police in Sinai have suffered also from those activities by the international jihadists, extremists ... Since they made Sinai their home, a process that started in the days of Mubarak, but gained momentum in the past two-and-half years since Mubarak, they are a source of concern for Israel as well as for Egypt.
"Now, Israel would like Egypt to restore law and order and stability in the country in general and in Sinai in particular. The common interest exists between the Israeli military and the Egyptian military.
"And it is interesting to know that throughout these two-and-a-half turbulent years since Mubarak, the only good, tangible contacts were maintained by the two armies."

[Mike Sheehy]

The landscape certainly changed tonight as President Morsi in Egypt has been overthrown in what can only be described as a "Coup D'Etat"

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood won a democratic election, and despite promising so much, they delivered very little in the eyes of most Egyptians.

The following days are going to be very interesting.....

I think the Yanks kept funding the army.

Egypt is a total mess. Very hard to triangulate between American geopolitical needs, the requirement for the economy to keep paying for stuff and the wishes of the people .

I wonder did Mohammed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party enjoy the same amount of 'International Aid' as Mubarak did?

Talking out your hole as usual. What is going on in Egypt has sweet eff all to do with "American geopolitical needs".

Of course. The Yanks prop up the Egyptian army with $2bn a year because they love Umm Kulthoum

Yeah, of course, all those people in Tahrir square that protested against Morsi were doing Americas bidding.

What happens in Egpyt is down to Egyptians. The Army is a million strong and every soldier has a family and extended family so there are millions that are fine with whats going on. Its their own self interest that is the primary driver here. On the other side you have millions that voted for an Islamic theocracy and now they are complaining because the country is still a basket case. You get the politicians you deserve.

And all the time in the background the anti-semites, xenophobes and sectarian bigots are whispering in their ears that its all somebody elses fault....its the jews, its the Americans, its the Coptic Christians. That's why c***ts like you are so despicable. You are perfectly happy to see the middle east remain a basket case as it gives you a perfect theatre to project/promote your vicious prejudices.

[Mike Sheehy]

Here is a perfect example of what I was saying....

"Anti-American sentiments have been on the rise in Egypt in recent months. Morsi's opponents have accused the United States of being party to a conspiracy to keep Morsi in power. The official in Morsi's office, speaking Monday, had the opposite interpretation, saying that some in the president's camp believed any possible coup "would not happen without American tacit acquiescence or outright support."

source: http://www.ticotimes.net/More-news/News-Briefs/Egypt-s-military-gives-Morsi-opposition-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-conflict_Tuesday-July-02-2013

so both sides blame the Americans. Its all bullshit. Just like in Syria and Libya both sides use the US/Israelis to serve their own propaganda purposes.

[seafoid]

Thanks for the laughs mikesheehy. You should stick to the caid. At least you understand it.
And you don't lose the head when you talk about it because you can always respond coherently.

[Mike Sheehy]

The thing about you Seafoid is that you really know the square root of eff all about the middle east. You fake it. You hide your ignorance beneath
a thin veneer of cut'n'pasting whatever shite you find and any time you are challenged to give your own analysis you give your trite little one-liners about zionists and American cabals then you  run and hide.
You are like an anti-semitic bot spreading his modern day "protocol-of-the-elders-of-zion" meme all over the internet.

[seafoid]

The thing about you Seafoid is that you really know the square root of eff all about the middle east. You fake it. You hide your ignorance beneath
a thin veneer of cut'n'pasting whatever shite you find and any time you are challenged to give your own analysis you give your trite little one-liners about zionists and American cabals then you  run and hide.
You are like an anti-semitic bot spreading his modern day "protocol-of-the-elders-of-zion" meme all over the internet.

Have you ever been to the Middle East?
And why are you so angry?

[Mike Sheehy]

The thing about you Seafoid is that you really know the square root of eff all about the middle east. You fake it. You hide your ignorance beneath
a thin veneer of cut'n'pasting whatever shite you find and any time you are challenged to give your own analysis you give your trite little one-liners about zionists and American cabals then you  run and hide.
You are like an anti-semitic bot spreading his modern day "protocol-of-the-elders-of-zion" meme all over the internet.

Have you ever been to the Middle East?
And why are you so angry?

Yes I have.
Why do you hate jews so much ?

[Mike Sheehy]

No answer ?

What happened ?  Did your trawl of the internet to find some article explaining your prejudice come up short ?

I can understand that after 10+ years of cut'n'pasting your hatred of jews/Israelis/Americans on here that actually explaining your core beliefs, in your own words, might be a stretch but surely you can give it a shot.

[seafoid]

No answer ?

What happened ?  Did your trawl of the internet to find some article explaining your prejudice come up short ?

I can understand that after 10+ years of cut'n'pasting your hatred of jews/Israelis/Americans on here that actually explaining your core beliefs, in your own words, might be a stretch but surely you can give it a shot.

Leviticus 19:33. Read it.

What Zionism has done to Judaism is a tragedy

And calling anti Zionists antisemites won't stop the rot.