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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: September 24, 2018, 01:03:28 PM »
As the club are run by business men instead of football men i can't see JM sacked until United mathematically they can't reach the top 4. In current form probably looking at March for that to happen.

The next manager then has a big clear out on his hands. A squad full of poor signings many of which left over from Moyes and LVG time. When you have Fellaini as a regular starter and is given a role to protect the nervous lindelof you really know how deep rooted the problems are for United at the moment.
Mourinho has bought:
Pogba,Lukaku, Matic, Fred, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez,Lindeloff, Bailley and Dalot,
so he cant really complain that its not his team.
If the players aren't good enough, he has to take the blame.

I think Pogba,Sanchez was Ed Woodward signings to sell jerseys.   

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Rachel Wyse.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:29:52 PM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

But why was there widespread player dissatisfaction? That is a critical question

Was it that 1 or 2 players were unhappy because he was challenging them.
Were they unhappy because he is looking at long term plans and the need to blood new players, and they were the players that were going to be replaced?
Did the 12 players leave out of loyalty to player alliances?
Are the allegations legitimate or a case of the manager having "Hot Conversations" and the players not reacting well to it?
Was the manager incompetent (even though they have got to an All-Ireland and a league final in the past two years)
Does the manager have bad communication skills?
Did the manager put the players health at risk (or did he ruffle to many feathers)

At the moment I would be siding with the manager. Mainly due to the absolute mismanagement of the players who left.
Cora's interview was a disaster
The behind the scenes campaign to influence players
The changing narrative of the complaints. 

The "exitiers" need to do  a better job in spelling out their grievances, in a clear, precise and substantiated manor, before I start to lean towards  their side of the situation

That's a lot of quoting.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 17, 2018, 10:03:07 PM »
Liverpool forced the errors.  You're overlooking the load of clear chances Liverpool missed.  Game should have been out of sight.  Liverpool dominated that game.
In the after match analysis it wasn't overlooked for all Liverpool's dominance of the game only two goals was scored and both were gifts from a keeper that only played because Lloris was injured.


Okay I thought that would've been your response. You don't know if a better goalkeeper would've saved those. Also just if they were awarded the penalty it doesn't mean it is automatically a goal...you do realize penalties can be saved or missed?
I know they were very bad errors by a replacement goalkeeper. Two errors on the first goal and the second goal he let the ball through his fingers. We aren't to know on the penalty because that referee wasn't as quick to point to the spot as he was for the Liverpool Crystal palace match a month ago.






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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 17, 2018, 08:12:54 PM »
Lads Captain Obvious is a bit of an eegit. Don't be wasting your time with him.
It takes one to know one.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 17, 2018, 08:02:46 PM »
Tottenham probably would have got at least a point out of that game if Lloris had played.

Would doubt that.  He might have done better on the corner for the goal but he couldn't do much about Spurs getting pressed all over the pitch and getting caught on the break repeatedly. Tactically Spurs couldn't live with Liverpool in that game.  Spurs couldn't get the time they wanted to get their main men like Erickson into the game and they ended up hitting long hopeful balls.



Tottenham were error ridden throughout that game and none more so than Vorm in goal which was highlighted on the Match of the day.  A better goalkeeper wouldn't have conceded those two goals and Tottenham should have scored twice themselves because that was a clear penalty in injury and interesting it was the same ref that gave Liverpool a very soft penalty against Crystal palace.

Far too may 'ifs' in there but I'll throw another couple in there...if Lloris was playing, and if he had dealt with the corner better do you not agree Liverpool should've received a penalty for Vertongen holding VVD back with both arms?
Not one if did I use in that last post.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 17, 2018, 07:02:06 PM »
Tottenham probably would have got at least a point out of that game if Lloris had played.

Would doubt that.  He might have done better on the corner for the goal but he couldn't do much about Spurs getting pressed all over the pitch and getting caught on the break repeatedly. Tactically Spurs couldn't live with Liverpool in that game.  Spurs couldn't get the time they wanted to get their main men like Erickson into the game and they ended up hitting long hopeful balls.

Tottenham were error ridden throughout that game and none more so than Vorm in goal which was highlighted on the Match of the day.  A better goalkeeper wouldn't have conceded those two goals and Tottenham should have scored twice themselves because that was a clear penalty in injury and interesting it was the same ref that gave Liverpool a very soft penalty against Crystal palace.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone's noughties team would stuff the Dubs!
« on: September 16, 2018, 12:44:46 AM »
Football moves on a lot in 10-15 years. That Tyrone team wouldn’t lay a glove on the current Dublin team.
Yes because that Tyrone team would be too old now to lay a glove on the current Dublin team.
No, because the Tyrone team of that time played nowhere near the level of the current Dublin team.
If that Tyrone team were exposed to modern low risk football with a big focus on strength and conditioning they very much would have laid a glove on them and more. FFS the current Tyrone team only lost by 3 points to the current Dublin in Omagh with a number of players not near the level of Tyrone's noughties players

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone's noughties team would stuff the Dubs!
« on: September 16, 2018, 12:27:12 AM »
Football moves on a lot in 10-15 years. That Tyrone team wouldn’t lay a glove on the current Dublin team.
Yes because that Tyrone team would be too old now to lay a glove on the current Dublin team.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 15, 2018, 03:13:02 PM »
Tottenham probably would have got at least a point out of that game if Lloris had played.

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I heard a thousand times how good Woolys podcast is from you lads on here, opened one a month ago and he was going on about hurling wasn’t any better than football. He was shouting and roaring at some hurler about how it’s not fair to compare the two etc etc. Such bullshit, Twas like two schoolboys arguing at the back of the bus. The man is a bit of craic but really he’s an overgrown teenager.
Podcast would be better if he wasn't on it, needs to know when to shut up. Overgrown teenager is a good description of him

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: September 12, 2018, 02:32:11 PM »

An offensive mark would totally change the character of the game for the worse. It would largely kill off points from play as we know them. No thanks.

One thing that is worth considering is going to 13 a side. More space means harder to have a mass defense.
Would mean more focus on fitness and less on skill. No thanks.

Arguably the way the game has gone since 2010. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All Stars 2018
« on: September 12, 2018, 01:42:52 PM »
All star nominations out this morning

Goalkeepers: Graham Brody (Laois), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders: Ryan Wylie (Monaghan), Drew Wylie (Monaghan), Karl O'Connell (Monaghan), Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Eoin Murchan (Dublin), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), James McCarthy (Dublin), Sean Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Galway), Seán Kelly (Galway), Eoin Kerin (Galway), Eoin Doyle (Kildare), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Michael McKernan (Tyrone), Gavin White (Kerry), Che Cullen (Fermanagh), Eoghan Bán Gallagher (Donegal).

Midfielders: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Niall Kearns (Monaghan), Thomas Flynn (Galway).

Forwards: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Paul Mannion (Dublin), Brian Howard (Dublin), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Niall Scully (Dublin), Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paul Broderick (Carlow), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan), Ian Burke (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), Damien Comer (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paul Cribbin (Kildare), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).

Well done to Rory Grugan. Its a long time since no Mayo man was on the nomination list.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Kieran Donaghy
« on: September 11, 2018, 05:39:20 PM »
One of the last few characters of the game gone. Not only had he a great pair hands but his big arse was very useful to hold onto the ball. Happy retirement Kieran.

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General discussion / Re: Great song intros
« on: September 08, 2018, 08:48:31 PM »
Black Sabbath - Iron man
Metallica - Nothing else matters
Baba O'Riley - The Who
The Prodigy - Firestarter
The Beatles - Come Together

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