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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 18, 2018, 08:43:11 PM »
I think it was a mark of the level of excellence achieved by the team, no different to KK a few years ago or the Dubs now.
They are a tribute to Irish sport.

As Dan Shanahan said one time it is a privilege to be playing against Cork and Tipp .. and bating them.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: November 18, 2018, 08:09:06 PM »
He really was a one off. Also one of the band of GAA prominents who if you closed your eyes had all the rhythms and sounds of Irish. Spillane and Gerlock have it as well. Jim Gavin wouldnít .

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 18, 2018, 02:37:03 PM »
RoI dropped Articles 2&3 for the GFA. The value of the GFA was shown last week.
Articles 2&3 were only ever symbolic. NI canít be prised away from the GFA.
The message to the Tories n DUP is GFY. Go f**k yourselves.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 17, 2018, 08:25:38 PM »
Stockdalr is some hoor for scoring tries

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 07:02:16 PM »
Imagine how it looks in Finland. NI gets a super deal and the DUP does a tantrum. Thinking Europeans will indulge them just as UK and Irish gvts always  had to.

What a shower of gobshites

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 03:25:21 PM »
No surrender!Ē

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 02:40:57 PM »
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

Germany had bigger problems and they made it work.
Sort of. The East is still much poorer

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 08:18:53 PM »
Franko you beat me to it there. I'm sure there is an element of self interest, but in my opinion and having heard the men speak in a more private arena, just like what has been said of Corbyn, they come a across as very decent individuals. I think history will judge them well.

Probably truth in that.  Varadkar (and probably moreso Coveney) do come across to me as level headed and decent.
Even if it was just alignment of interest the GFA gave the Dublin govt leverage to be used in times like these. There is a very good reason for the DUP heads to be shouting  and roaring now. The 6 counties are not the same as Finchley.
Anyway if you look at the demographics it is a no brainer.

I think Kevin OHiggins was justice minister when a group of Gaels came down in 1927 looking for help. They were turned away. So many times people from the North were ignored.
Now you have Paris and Berlin supporting the Dublin position which supports the GFA ie living in NI with Irish passport and an open border.


Bia na mara:

a bit of advice please

That period of Irish history between 1918 and 1938 is seriously under covered. Do you have any recommendations on where I can go to do some research on the period.

Conor McNamara is very good

https://www.kennys.ie/results/?q=Conor+Mcnamara

Kennys.ie is good for Irish history

Ulster history is fascinating. The OíNeills had a coronating chair in Tullyogue. SF should have used it for Michelle. Untouchable political theatre vs makey uppy on the DUP side.

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: November 16, 2018, 08:12:02 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/rogbennett/status/1063206613530681344


The reason I fell in love with
@ChicagoBears
. Walter Payton. What an athlete. Not only his Hyperdrive acceleration and Baryshnikov-esque footwork, but way he finished runs by smiting defenders who sought to stop him. If you never saw him play, take minute to watch. A human marvel


https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1063184851602366464

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 05:32:20 PM »
Franko you beat me to it there. I'm sure there is an element of self interest, but in my opinion and having heard the men speak in a more private arena, just like what has been said of Corbyn, they come a across as very decent individuals. I think history will judge them well.

Probably truth in that.  Varadkar (and probably moreso Coveney) do come across to me as level headed and decent.
Even if it was just alignment of interest the GFA gave the Dublin govt leverage to be used in times like these. There is a very good reason for the DUP heads to be shouting  and roaring now. The 6 counties are not the same as Finchley.
Anyway if you look at the demographics it is a no brainer.

I think Kevin OHiggins was justice minister when a group of Gaels came down in 1927 looking for help. They were turned away. So many times people from the North were ignored.
Now you have Paris and Berlin supporting the Dublin position which supports the GFA ie living in NI with Irish passport and an open border.



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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 04:25:47 PM »
I bought the Telegraph and one thing about the deal is the primacy of the GFA because the UK does not have a written constitution.
The UK can leave the EU if they want but they canít take NI with them because of the GFA.
The South gets a lot of shite, much of it deserved, from 6 county posters for past behaviour but protecting the rights of nationalists (and Huns)  in the face of an insane project is quite impressive in my view. The Southern Gov is thinking strategically for once.
Once the GFA was signed the Union was weakened but the DUP only figured it out this week.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 16, 2018, 04:18:35 PM »
I am sure I said it many pages back but I was told long ago by someone who knows his football that Martin O'Neill was a spoofer.

Time to go Martin before you poison the psyche of the team for a generation.
He probably is spoofing SS. Soccer managers rarely stay relevant for more than 10 years as Man Utd have been finding out repeatedly.
At the same time the players do not have what Mullinalaghta have. Pride and balls. And they wonít be remembered like that FMG team are. It is all about class and not the level and they donít have it.

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So, tomorrow it will be 25 years since that night.

I canít remember much about the match except the two goals, but I do remember the hostile atmosphere. The relief when McLoughlin hit the equaliser, then afterwards the seemingly long wait to see if Spain could hang on v Denmark.

What are your memories of that night?
The tension before the match and the effect it had on the game
there was a strong sense of Schadenfreude coming off the NI side. Billy Bingham was leading it.
They had a sort of dog in the manger attitude.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 10:33:48 AM »
Brexit is driven by the losers of the English economy who live outside the metro areas in towns where the only new jobs available are crap. For them Brexit is an issue of pride.
The tories have to fix this

the DUP on the other hand got a gold plated deal to put NI in the Single Market and give it a huge competitive advantage over Scotland and England and they turn up their noses at it. you could not make it up.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 09:49:46 AM »
For some reason the DUP want to leave the EU AND they donít want a hard border.
Imagine Mickey Harte pre AIF saying he wanted to win the All Ireland plus 5 marquee forwards.
Everyone would be laughing at him.
How did the DUP get away with its nonsense?
Seafoid make no mistake. The DUP absolutely do want a hard border.

The DUP are insane
Any party that puts wee Sammy ahead as a spokesman has to be
Just listened to a segment on BBC Radio Ulster where they interviewed people at a Shankill Rd community centre. Based on their comments (threatening action like that after the Anglo Irish Agreement), Sammy wilson is exactly the kind of person who speaks directly to them. May not go down well with the intelligensia, but he can fairly whip up a unionist frenzy.

If you look back at the flag protests they whipped that up and gave the likes of bryson oxygen. People were lucky not to die - alliance councillors and police officers -and they stirred the whole pot. They are very dangerous people and the language they use in my view is tantamount to incitement of hatred quite regularly. Absolute scumbags.
Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

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