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Delighted to have just read that the Copa America is going to be streamed live on paddypower.com, saying I dont have the Sky in anymore! I predict Argentina to win it..or maybe Brazil..

Some daring predictions there EagleLord!

I took a look at the last four games for a few of those teams

Moy seem to have the most difficult last 4 matches Carrickmore, Errigal, Ardboe and Coalisland (away)

Greencastle have Trillick (a), Moortown, Ardboe and Eglish

Derrylaughan have Clonoe (a), Coalisland, Eglish and Trillick (a)

Moortown have Greencastle (a), Eglish (a), Killyclogher (a) and Carrickmore

Too close to call at this stage.

I'd like to think that Greencastle could get wins against Trillick and Moortown, have a stab at Eglish and maybe get lucky against Ardboe.

I would fancy Greencastle against Eglish before Trillick, Trillick going well enough from what I have heard/seen of them this year, while Eglish seem to have stepped off the gas the past while. I can't see Moy picking up any points in their last 4 but 3 home games is a bonus. Too close to call is right!

Markets still showing paying 3 places even with the 5 horses...Would Ante Post bet still be subject to Rule 4 even after declarations?

Snow Fairy is the only horse that seems to offer value.  SYT being odds on would probably prefer softer ground and longer distance.

Rule 4 never applies to any ante-post markets, whether final declarations have been made or not.

The eclipse stakes has a bit of potential to be a cracker this week. We will find So You Think's true credentials this weekend coming up against a fresh Workforce who won at Sandown earlier in the year, and Snow Fairy looks set to run as well.

If SYT comes on as O'Brien anticipated surely he won't be far away. Ascot was only 2 weeks ago and it is a possibility the defeat to Rewilding may have taken a bit out of him and Saturday could be too soon. Or it could be that the run at Ascot wil bring SYT up to speed if O'Brien is to be believed, though from reading this board whether that is a reliable tactic remains to be seen. SYT too short at the prices and Workforce will be fresh and bound to run a big race. Alot may depend on the ground, if the ground is quick and Workforce handles the flat spots I would fancy him to come out on top. I think it is too close to call and I will be backing neither,but if I was pushed between the two it would be Workforce for me.

I will be backing Snow Fairy e/w. On oddschecker best price is 8/1 with Coral also paying 1/4 odds to THREE places. A filly who had a sensational season last year, a lot depends on how she recovers from injury but surely there is value at 8/1, especially at 3 places.

Took a look on pp - snow fairy not on the prices???

She is running Radda just seen on Sky Sports. On Oddschecker it say Snow Fairy is available at 7/1 on PP according to it. Any hopes of 3 places have been dashed with Cape Blanco/Jan Vermeer and Alexander Pope being ruled out today. Pretty disappointing that there will only be a field of five.

And another advantage for the companies, these normally have expiry dates - how many of us have made purchases that we've never gotten around to using? 

I would have, but the company actually agreed to extend the date when I called more in hope than expectation - still, it's one way to earn a customer's respect.

Good point. I had a voucher for four ball at K-Club and some dinner one year that I was given as a present from a rather well-off Uncle. The thing ran over by about 9 days before I realised. I rang up and the b**tards said there was nothing they could do, I vowed never to step foot in the place. Then, I got onto a senior employee and ranted for a while, give him a wee story of a family death (bad I know but come on, it was worth about €500). Needless to say the man that the night before vented he would never step foot in the complex, was walking out of it the following Tuesday with his K-Club t-shirt on and after shooting one of the best rounds of his life.

But main point I am trying to make is, which Bogball made, when a business goes beyond a customer's expectations (or in my case unexpectedly met them) it can lead to a better customer-employee relationship, which ultimately is of benefit to the business.

Did ye read what I posted at all?  The customer/business pays Groupon for the vouchers up front, they dont get a refund.  Groupon take the consumers payments and keep the money for thrity days and then and only then do they pay the business 50% of the voucher cost and a further payment in another 30 days, some payments taking up to 90 days. If you dont feel hungry and dont use the voucher it is of no benefit to the hotel. There was an article in the Sunday Business Post or one of the papers last week or thereabouts and I will try and dig it out.

What do you mean if you don't feel hungry it is of no benefit to the hotel Bud? I would imagine the payment to Groupon would not be as great as the payment you would have to make to gain exposure through ordinary run of the mill advertising, if it was then these websites would have no real point in being in business. And the delayed payment I am sure will be taken into account by the business, and infact a lot of the payment may well represent prepayments as a number of consumers may not have used the voucher yet.

The eclipse stakes has a bit of potential to be a cracker this week. We will find So You Think's true credentials this weekend coming up against a fresh Workforce who won at Sandown earlier in the year, and Snow Fairy looks set to run as well.

If SYT comes on as O'Brien anticipated surely he won't be far away. Ascot was only 2 weeks ago and it is a possibility the defeat to Rewilding may have taken a bit out of him and Saturday could be too soon. Or it could be that the run at Ascot wil bring SYT up to speed if O'Brien is to be believed, though from reading this board whether that is a reliable tactic remains to be seen. SYT too short at the prices and Workforce will be fresh and bound to run a big race. Alot may depend on the ground, if the ground is quick and Workforce handles the flat spots I would fancy him to come out on top. I think it is too close to call and I will be backing neither,but if I was pushed between the two it would be Workforce for me.

I will be backing Snow Fairy e/w. On oddschecker best price is 8/1 with Coral also paying 1/4 odds to THREE places. A filly who had a sensational season last year, a lot depends on how she recovers from injury but surely there is value at 8/1, especially at 3 places.

[And to think that the Club was a merger of three Parishes that initially didn't want to play with each other.]

result from the Errigal v Killeeshil game ??

Was wondering for a second, until I realised it was Errigal's Thirds that were playing Killeshil.

A Cousin of my Dad told me that Errigal nick players from Killeshil, Beragh and Eskra. And to think that the Club was a merger of three Parishes that initially didn't want to play with each other.

Errigal's catchment area is one parish only, oddly enough called Errigal Ciaran!

As for "nicking" players, dunno about Killeeshil but in the case of Beragh it's likely to be a claim from Sixmilecross where some players would live closer to Dunmoyle than St. Mary's and some others would be at Carrickmore. And I've never heard of Eskra being allegedly plundered.

I think a lot of people reckon Peter Harte should be playing for Eskra.

And another advantage for the companies, these normally have expiry dates - how many of us have made purchases that we've never gotten around to using? 

I would have, but the company actually agreed to extend the date when I called more in hope than expectation - still, it's one way to earn a customer's respect.

Good point. I had a voucher for four ball at K-Club and some dinner one year that I was given as a present from a rather well-off Uncle. The thing ran over by about 9 days before I realised. I rang up and the bastards said there was nothing they could do, I vowed never to step foot in the place. Then, I got onto a senior employee and ranted for a while, give him a wee story of a family death (bad I know but come on, it was worth about €500). Needless to say the man that the night before vented he would never step foot in the complex, was walking out of it the following Tuesday with his K-Club t-shirt on and after shooting one of the best rounds of his life.

But main point I am trying to make is, which Bogball made, when a business goes beyond a customer's expectations (or in my case unexpectedly met them) it can lead to a better customer-employee relationship, which ultimately is of benefit to the business.

Bud, every business has fixed and variable costs, in these days anything that covers it's own variable cost is a winner.
Company's making these offers do their own sums and if the numbers make sense they run with the offer.  As someone else pointed out, if the product is worth coming back for, it's good advertising.

Have to agree, these deals are anything but unfair on the companies. There is no better way for a business to try and build relationships with potential customers than to provide a good quality product/service.

As you pointed out Bud the company could just advertise normally, but this does not guarantee a foot flow of customers through the business, which is vital above all things. No customers=No business. If it means that a business may not incur as high a profit as usual/or just break even in order to gain multiple customers, well surely it is bound to be worth it.

It also allows businesses to keep their general prices steady if they offer these deals/vouchers. For example say a golf club was having difficulties and reduced it's costs, if things did pick up and they increased their price again as demand increased it can be detrimental to the image and goodwill of a business and damage rapport with long-term customers.

Despite the sendings off (sending offs) Moy v Eglish was entertaining enough fare. The Moy needed those points alot more than Eglish.

I don't know about that. It's pretty tight at the bottom now.

Everybody up to Trillick could still go down. Bottom goes down automatically, next two playoff.

Trillick- 8
Eglish- 8
Moy- 7
Greencastle- 7
Derrylaughan 6
Moortown- 4
Cookstown- 2

I would imagine the bottom two won't change. Can't see Eglish or Trillick being dragged into it. Between the other three for the last spot I would say. I would imagine Moortown would rather have a win against Eglish next wewek in the league rather than the championship!!

Noticed this myself. You started a new thread on an Ardboe reserve game, this falls under the club thread so put it in there.

Thanks KK

There has already been a bid. Do I have any other options no?

Carrickmore St Colmcille's  2-12 v  Greencastle St Patrick's  1-6
Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa  0-15 v  Coalisland Fianna  2-8
Cookstown Fr Rocks  0-6 v  Clonoe O`Rahilly's  4-17
Derrylaughan Kevin Barry's GAC  3-8 v  Errigal Ciaran  2-12
Domhnach Mór Naoimh Pádraig  0-15 v  Moortown St Malachy's  0-5
Killyclogher Killyclogher St Mary's  1-9 v  An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait  1-9
Moy Tír na nÓg  0-14 v  An Eaglais, Naoimh Pádraig  1-9
Omagh St Enda's  1-13 v  Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin  0-8

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