Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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Main Street

AMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.


Itchy

Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 09:02:16 PM
Quote from: Emmett Greene on March 23, 2024, 01:17:11 PMAnyway.. regardless of who is behind this attack, watch the Kremlin invent some tenuous link to Ukraine. It's already happening.



You are right, they will do that. Just like the gasline explosion was tenuously linked to Russia which is also bullshit.
False equivalent, some pipeline sabotage versus mass murder of civilians.
In any event Russia had previous form  recent enough with gas pipeline sabotage, just as the Kremlin had plenty of form  with mass murder of its own citizens.


The equivalence was between the lies of governments which is not at all false.

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question

Main Street

#1203
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 24, 2024, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question
What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.








PadraicHenryPearse

#1204
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 24, 2024, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question
What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.






I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.


burdizzo

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 07:51:22 AMI very a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.



Exactly. And they all lie.

Main Street

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 24, 2024, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question
What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.


I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.


Whatabout whatabout, same old Kremlin spiel, you're a terrorist state therefore don't comment on our 100 year reign of terror inside Russia and inside the previously occupied nations of eastern Europe.

Why don't you just apply same level of scrutiny to Russia's imperialism as you do to US war mongering The USA & UK lied through their backsides about Iraq,  who's disputing that? What's your point, that Russia can therefore invade Ukraine and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation because that's the way of the world?
Russia is a mafia mob sadistic terrorist state, there is no communist party anymore the KGB have taken over total control.

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Main Street

Timothy Snyder blog

Moscow Terror  A Chronology that Might Help Predict

1. US warns that Russia will invade Ukraine.  General disbelief, daily Russian mockery. (December 3 2021-February 24 2022)

2.  Russia invades Ukraine, kills tens of thousands of people, kidnaps tens of thousands of children, commits other ongoing war crimes (February 24 2022-present)

3.  Russia blames US for Russia's invasion of Ukraine (March 2022-present)

4. US warns of terror attack in Moscow.  Putin denies any risk and mocks the United States. (March 7 and March 19 2024).

5.  Terror attack near Moscow, ISIS takes responsibility, Russia meanwhile kills Ukrainian citizens with drones and missiles as it has for more than two years. (today, March 22 2024)

6.  Russia's security apparatus, focused on bringing carnage to Ukraine, has failed in Moscow.  Russia's leaders, focused on demonizing the US, did not protect Russians.  What next?  Where to direct the blame?

7.  It would not be very surprising if the Kremlin blames Ukraine and the United States for terror in Moscow and uses the Moscow attack to justify continuing and future atrocities in Ukraine.

armaghniac

There certainly is scope for some opposition figure in Russia to say, wtf are we bombing Orthodox churches in Ukraine while these loonies are allowed attack although the US warned of this a fortnight ago.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 24, 2024, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question
What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.


I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.


Whatabout whatabout, same old Kremlin spiel, you're a terrorist state therefore don't comment on our 100 year reign of terror inside Russia and inside the previously occupied nations of eastern Europe.

Why don't you just apply same level of scrutiny to Russia's imperialism as you do to US war mongering The USA & UK lied through their backsides about Iraq,  who's disputing that? What's your point, that Russia can therefore invade Ukraine and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation because that's the way of the world?
Russia is a mafia mob sadistic terrorist state, there is no communist party anymore the KGB have taken over total control.

.



you are putting loads of words in my mouth there... nowhere have I even hinted at anything you suggested.

It was two simple questions. Still not answered if you have ISIS as more reliable than Russia for information.

As people continually say Russia don't need a reason to carry out the attacks it does, its just an evil terrorist state, kgb run, sadistic mob etc. yet then there is speculation on false flags etc. and they are trying to create a narrative for something..

I hold them all to the same standard or try to but that isn't the same for those countries that can prevent a genocide for example, they chose to actively support it.



imtommygunn

You read about russia have set this up to try and justify further attacks on ukraine. They have never needed justification before so why would they start now?

armaghniac

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 02:20:16 PMIt was two simple questions. Still not answered if you have ISIS as more reliable than Russia for information.

As people continually say Russia don't need a reason to carry out the attacks it does, its just an evil terrorist state, kgb run, sadistic mob etc. yet then there is speculation on false flags etc. and they are trying to create a narrative for something..

I hold them all to the same standard or try to but that isn't the same for those countries that can prevent a genocide for example, they chose to actively support it.


If Russia had not started blathering about Ukraine, who had nothing to do with it, then this false flag thing would not have arisen.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Putin ran the war in Ukraine to distract from the state of the economy and present himself as a strongman.
Then he gets blindsided by Tajiks. You couldn't make it up.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Wildweasel74

#1213
Show on bbc2 there about Ukraine  front line. Tough watch, hard going out there. be a understatement.

Main Street

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 25, 2024, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2024, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on March 24, 2024, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2024, 04:47:05 PMAMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.



Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question
What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.


I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.


Whatabout whatabout, same old Kremlin spiel, you're a terrorist state therefore don't comment on our 100 year reign of terror inside Russia and inside the previously occupied nations of eastern Europe.

Why don't you just apply same level of scrutiny to Russia's imperialism as you do to US war mongering The USA & UK lied through their backsides about Iraq,  who's disputing that? What's your point, that Russia can therefore invade Ukraine and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation because that's the way of the world?
Russia is a mafia mob sadistic terrorist state, there is no communist party anymore the KGB have taken over total control.

.



you are putting loads of words in my mouth there... nowhere have I even hinted at anything you suggested.

It was two simple questions. Still not answered if you have ISIS as more reliable than Russia for information.

As people continually say Russia don't need a reason to carry out the attacks it does, its just an evil terrorist state, kgb run, sadistic mob etc. yet then there is speculation on false flags etc. and they are trying to create a narrative for something..

I hold them all to the same standard or try to but that isn't the same for those countries that can prevent a genocide for example, they chose to actively support it.
It's an inane  question to pose, who is the most reliable source,  ISIS or Russia? I don't know about ISIS's reliability re their propaganda
however, Russia is reliably the World's most effective with propaganda and lying.

 For the past 100 years the Kremlin have lying and propaganda down to an art form. There is nothing on planet earth that comes close.The resources devoted to the KGB and propaganda are enormous by any standard.

Re the war against Ukraine, it's the simple ploys that work the best, such as  ascribing their own traits to the opponent.

eg "You are the Nazis" "You are genocidal" "You are the rapists"
Tim Snyder terms this "schizoid-fascism" to describe actual fascists who call their enemies fascists.
The Kremlin wages a genocidal war against a democratic nation with a Jewish President and calls the victims Nazis. How to explain away this absurdity?  As Hitler recommended, tell a lie that´s just too big and outrageous to be resisted. Lavrov on Italian tv then repeated the canard that "Hitler was part-Jewish", therefore  "Jews are the worst anti-Semites".