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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #90 on: October 21, 2017, 07:37:37 PM »
Abolish Provincial Councils???
Would you do the same for hurling?

Population imbalances - what do we do?
Split Dublin? Amalgamations of the 11 small Counties?
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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2017, 11:38:43 AM »
Mayo again, Roscommon certainly have had the luck with the draw this decade.

Nos dates released yet, would imagine it will be mid May at the latest.
That's a very pessimistic outlook considering you've been drawn against a team you've beaten for the last two years!

Its not pessimism at all, will probably be a good time to play Mayo. More aimed at Roscommon and coming out on the soft side of the draw again.

Is their definitely no A & B side in the qualifiers? edit, just read they've done away with it.


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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2017, 11:54:38 AM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2017, 01:58:43 PM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

Making sure the big boys have an even easier ride is not a solution anyone but Zulu wants.

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2017, 05:31:13 PM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

How would it give more Championship games than the present system?
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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2017, 03:18:32 PM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

How would it give more Championship games than the present system?

If both the NFL league and prov champ games impacted your overall seeding for an AI championship draw, then the 8 league games are championship level games, obviously building up to the the All Ireland draw.

This would provide clarity and reduce the backdoor concept and increase the profile of the NFL. It would also free up weekends for the club.

So for Ulster counties
min county games -  7 league plus 1 prov and 1 All-Ireland = 9 championship games
Max county season   7 league plus 4 prov and 5 All-Ireland = 16 championship games



Played in NY, the championship mentality covered the league games before the knockout rounds. All the games were full on and must win.


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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2017, 03:31:19 PM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

How would it give more Championship games than the present system?

If both the NFL league and prov champ games impacted your overall seeding for an AI championship draw, then the 8 league games are championship level games, obviously building up to the the All Ireland draw.

This would provide clarity and reduce the backdoor concept and increase the profile of the NFL. It would also free up weekends for the club.

So for Ulster counties
min county games -  7 league plus 1 prov and 1 All-Ireland = 9 championship games
Max county season   7 league plus 4 prov and 5 All-Ireland = 16 championship games



Played in NY, the championship mentality covered the league games before the knockout rounds. All the games were full on and must win.

Do you really think it would bother the division one teams which of the division 4 teams they'd be playing in the first round?

 Effectively division two and three teams would be playing each other,  with a lot around the same level again meaning which you drew wouldn't be that big a deal. I don't think it would lead to teams going all out during the league or matches feeling anything like a championship game.

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2017, 03:37:31 PM »
You'd have to limit the AI to the 4 Provincial Champions and say the top 3 in each Div of the NFL to make League games relevant.
Also the NFL and Provincials would have to be happening over the same months say April, May , June.
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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2017, 03:52:11 PM »
You'd have to limit the AI to the 4 Provincial Champions and say the top 3 in each Div of the NFL to make League games relevant.
Also the NFL and Provincials would have to be happening over the same months say April, May , June.

I would def support that approach.

Have a really active county period league and provincial championships tightened up.

Regarding limiting the AI, you could keep all the teams in, but have a pre-seeded draw structure like what is used for March madness in college basketball.

Or you could limit the AL draw to a reduced number.

With a seeding system, the importance of the provincial championships is increased, as a smaller county should be rewarded for a shock result, and jump significantly up the standings

But overall, the GAA do have options to make the entire season really exiciting

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2017, 10:36:49 PM »
Pa Power has the odds up already for the first round games :o !

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2017, 06:41:54 PM »
2010 was the last time a Division 4 side beat a Division 1 side in the championship.

There have been 160 championship games in the senior football championship from 2010 to 2017.

A system where the number 1 seed played the number 32 seed and so-on would be an absolute disaster.

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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2017, 10:56:24 PM »
Any dates set for these games yet? Surely to God they know what they're at over a week after the draw has been done.
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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2017, 11:55:57 PM »
I expect -6th May NY game, 13th Sligo/ London, 20th Galway v them crowd, 27th Laythrum v Ros, Bank holiday weekend Sligo v Galway and final 17th June.
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« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2017, 09:09:06 PM »
I expect -6th May NY game, 13th Sligo/ London, 20th Galway v them crowd, 27th Laythrum v Ros, Bank holiday weekend Sligo v Galway and final 17th June.
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Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« Reply #104 on: October 31, 2017, 03:19:09 PM »
Any dates set for these games yet? Surely to God they know what they're at over a week after the draw has been done.
The dates are set now. http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/15/11/47/MasterFixturesGrid(2)_English.pdf
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