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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2017, 09:02:50 AM »
In this years comp the bigger counties will certainly dominate as the others wont be able to combine an U17 and Minor squad. Expect Donegal and Tyrone to dominate Ulster.
U17 IS minor from 2018 on.

Yeah but smaller counties aren't going to run two full squads simultaneously at a high level. The better players will be in the minors as it takes precedent.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2017, 11:04:40 AM »
Anyone have any interest in this? Ulster is starting this weekend, not sure about the other provinces. One good thing is that it can be run off earlier as none of the players should be doing final year school exams.

What are you talking about!  In six of the counties the players will be beginning their AS and GCSE exams on 11th May and some AS units will have begun this week.

Yet again the future of young fellas will have been affected by overdone training schedules leaving them unable to put in the full effort needed in preparation for such a marathon of exams at GCSE and AS levels and then to bring in the games throughout the exam season running from the beginning of May through to the end of June.

Didn't know that. Down south u18s were always badly effected by leaving cert. Now most u17s will be one year out from the leaving.

In NI, we have public exams or their modular components every year for the last four years of secondary school.  So, moving to u17 is no help, it just makes it worse as it destroys GCSE prospects for all as GCSEs are taken by every student and training takes up vital revision time unlike A levels taken by fewer.

How many subject do ye sit up north? Down south it's 8 or 9. The way you portray the education system up north it doesn't sound like there is ever a good year to play matches. Maybe the gaa went with a system that suits the most people? What is your solution to the issue?

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2017, 12:13:18 PM »
If anyone is interest wearecavan.com doing commentary on Cavan v Derry u17 game.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2017, 12:38:44 PM »
Anyone have any interest in this? Ulster is starting this weekend, not sure about the other provinces. One good thing is that it can be run off earlier as none of the players should be doing final year school exams.

What are you talking about!  In six of the counties the players will be beginning their AS and GCSE exams on 11th May and some AS units will have begun this week.

Yet again the future of young fellas will have been affected by overdone training schedules leaving them unable to put in the full effort needed in preparation for such a marathon of exams at GCSE and AS levels and then to bring in the games throughout the exam season running from the beginning of May through to the end of June.

Didn't know that. Down south u18s were always badly effected by leaving cert. Now most u17s will be one year out from the leaving.

In NI, we have public exams or their modular components every year for the last four years of secondary school.  So, moving to u17 is no help, it just makes it worse as it destroys GCSE prospects for all as GCSEs are taken by every student and training takes up vital revision time unlike A levels taken by fewer.

How many subject do ye sit up north? Down south it's 8 or 9. The way you portray the education system up north it doesn't sound like there is ever a good year to play matches. Maybe the gaa went with a system that suits the most people? What is your solution to the issue?

10 or 11 subjects at 16 and 4/5 I believe at 17/18. Perhaps some of the teachers can confirm?

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2017, 02:06:01 PM »
Antrim beat armagh and tyrone beat donegal...

Gcses at 16 - usually 9 but couldbe 10 or 11
AS levels at 17 - 3 or 4 subjects
A levels at 18 - 3 or 4 again

At 17 there weren't exams in my day but in the last 10-15 years they have been introduced.

Gaa can't win here as you say itchy.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2017, 02:24:10 PM »
Antrim beat armagh and tyrone beat donegal...

Gcses at 16 - usually 9 but couldbe 10 or 11
AS levels at 17 - 3 or 4 subjects
A levels at 18 - 3 or 4 again

At 17 there weren't exams in my day but in the last 10-15 years they have been introduced.

Gaa can't win here as you say itchy.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2017, 02:24:21 PM »
Cavan bet Derry well.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2017, 04:23:22 PM »
Tyrone beat Donegal 2-09 to 1-07 with a young lad called Darragh Canavan (apparently his aul boy was half decent) putting on a great performance. Down up next weekend, I think.

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2017, 05:24:45 PM »
Anyone have any interest in this? Ulster is starting this weekend, not sure about the other provinces. One good thing is that it can be run off earlier as none of the players should be doing final year school exams.

What are you talking about!  In six of the counties the players will be beginning their AS and GCSE exams on 11th May and some AS units will have begun this week.

Yet again the future of young fellas will have been affected by overdone training schedules leaving them unable to put in the full effort needed in preparation for such a marathon of exams at GCSE and AS levels and then to bring in the games throughout the exam season running from the beginning of May through to the end of June.

Didn't know that. Down south u18s were always badly effected by leaving cert. Now most u17s will be one year out from the leaving.

In NI, we have public exams or their modular components every year for the last four years of secondary school.  So, moving to u17 is no help, it just makes it worse as it destroys GCSE prospects for all as GCSEs are taken by every student and training takes up vital revision time unlike A levels taken by fewer.

How many subject do ye sit up north? Down south it's 8 or 9. The way you portray the education system up north it doesn't sound like there is ever a good year to play matches. Maybe the gaa went with a system that suits the most people? What is your solution to the issue?

10 or 11 subjects at 16 and 4/5 I believe at 17/18. Perhaps some of the teachers can confirm?

Yep.  Across the ability range taking from 5 to 11 subjects in Year 11 and 12 for GCSE and then from 2 to 4 subjects at A level and BTEC level in Years 13 and 14.

In NI, the GCSE subjects are now fully modularised over 2 years, so young people at 15/16 are taking exams throughout the two year period, all count towards the GCSE results at the end of 2 years.  On top of these there is coursework which has been moved into the school and completed under exam conditions, so an expansion of the number of exams as it must be prepared prior to completion in school.  In Years 13 and 14, the modular assessments continue in all subjects and are regular during this time.  It is a much different system from RoI which seems still to be end of year exams for Inter and Leaving.

Is there an answer? No.  It is made worse by many of the same boys playing MacRory/MacLarnon Cup games from September to March and training for both school and county.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2017, 05:38:07 PM »
Anyone have any interest in this? Ulster is starting this weekend, not sure about the other provinces. One good thing is that it can be run off earlier as none of the players should be doing final year school exams.

What are you talking about!  In six of the counties the players will be beginning their AS and GCSE exams on 11th May and some AS units will have begun this week.

Yet again the future of young fellas will have been affected by overdone training schedules leaving them unable to put in the full effort needed in preparation for such a marathon of exams at GCSE and AS levels and then to bring in the games throughout the exam season running from the beginning of May through to the end of June.

Didn't know that. Down south u18s were always badly effected by leaving cert. Now most u17s will be one year out from the leaving.

In NI, we have public exams or their modular components every year for the last four years of secondary school.  So, moving to u17 is no help, it just makes it worse as it destroys GCSE prospects for all as GCSEs are taken by every student and training takes up vital revision time unlike A levels taken by fewer.

How many subject do ye sit up north? Down south it's 8 or 9. The way you portray the education system up north it doesn't sound like there is ever a good year to play matches. Maybe the gaa went with a system that suits the most people? What is your solution to the issue?

10 or 11 subjects at 16 and 4/5 I believe at 17/18. Perhaps some of the teachers can confirm?

Yep.  Across the ability range taking from 5 to 11 subjects in Year 11 and 12 for GCSE and then from 2 to 4 subjects at A level and BTEC level in Years 13 and 14.

In NI, the GCSE subjects are now fully modularised over 2 years, so young people at 15/16 are taking exams throughout the two year period, all count towards the GCSE results at the end of 2 years.  On top of these there is coursework which has been moved into the school and completed under exam conditions, so an expansion of the number of exams as it must be prepared prior to completion in school.  In Years 13 and 14, the modular assessments continue in all subjects and are regular during this time.  It is a much different system from RoI which seems still to be end of year exams for Inter and Leaving.

Is there an answer? No.  It is made worse by many of the same boys playing MacRory/MacLarnon Cup games from September to March and training for both school and county.

As stated before no reason MacRory can't be run off pre Christmas!

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2017, 09:43:56 PM »
In this years comp the bigger counties will certainly dominate as the others wont be able to combine an U17 and Minor squad. Expect Donegal and Tyrone to dominate Ulster.
U17 IS minor from 2018 on.

Yeah but smaller counties aren't going to run two full squads simultaneously at a high level. The better players will be in the minors as it takes precedent.
There will be one squad. The minor (u17).
There will be no u 18 after this year.
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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2017, 01:33:35 PM »
In this years comp the bigger counties will certainly dominate as the others wont be able to combine an U17 and Minor squad. Expect Donegal and Tyrone to dominate Ulster.
U17 IS minor from 2018 on.

Yeah but smaller counties aren't going to run two full squads simultaneously at a high level. The better players will be in the minors as it takes precedent.
There will be one squad. The minor (u17).
There will be no u 18 after this year.

I think the point being made is that for 2017 there will be two squads which smaller counties won't really be able to run.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2017, 12:26:22 PM »
Cavan well up on Antrim in 1st Semi coming up to half time. 5-5 to 1-3.

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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 01:24:59 PM »
Cavan win 5-11 to 2-11. Decent fight back by Antrim in 2nd half with a young Brolly to the fore.

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Re: U17 Football Championship
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2017, 03:11:38 PM »
Tyrone 0-15 v Down 0-10