A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

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muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."
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smelmoth

Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

Adams was the one calling for a border poll.

As for stability, there is no stability after the vote. There is limited time to do something about the massive problems it could trigger for us on this island, some more than others obviously. Doing nothing and calling it stability, is only an option if you can't think of anything better to do, which is probably exactly how they see it.

A decision was made not to throw further unnecessary instability into the NI situation. Are you seriously lamenting that?

I am not calling for 'further unnecessary instability'.

I am calling for the opposite.

Doing nothing in a crisis is still doing nothing, no matter how you look at it.
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muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"


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smelmoth

Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

smelmoth

In the event of a UI and all ireland sports teams would northern supporters who withheld their support be labelled "bigots"?

muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

;D ;D

Why?

To keep it a secret from Unionists?

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armaghniac

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:27:51 PM
In the event of a UI and all ireland sports teams would northern supporters who withheld their support be labelled "bigots"?

Of course they would. Why on earth would you not support the team of your own country?

Marty was on the radio at lunchtime, he did mention the border poll but was more interested in the keeping NI in the EU.
The solution is to keep NI under British rule, but in the EU.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

smelmoth

Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

;D ;D

Why?

To keep it a secret from Unionists?

Maybe that is why they are keeping hush on it now? Maybe you have it? Maybe your are the chief SF strategist?

Or possibly they have grown up and decided to stop shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring?

smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2016, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:27:51 PM
In the event of a UI and all ireland sports teams would northern supporters who withheld their support be labelled "bigots"?

Of course they would. Why on earth would you not support the team of your own country?

Marty was on the radio at lunchtime, he did mention the border poll but was more interested in the keeping NI in the EU.
The solution is to keep NI under British rule, but in the EU.

So presumably its bigotry for someone from the north to support RoI and specifically not to support NI?

muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

;D ;D

Why?

To keep it a secret from Unionists?

Maybe that is why they are keeping hush on it now? Maybe you have it? Maybe your are the chief SF strategist?

Or possibly they have grown up and decided to stop shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring?

They are keeping a hush on it by announcing it to the media? I've heard it all now.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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smelmoth

Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

;D ;D

Why?

To keep it a secret from Unionists?

Maybe that is why they are keeping hush on it now? Maybe you have it? Maybe your are the chief SF strategist?

Or possibly they have grown up and decided to stop shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring?

They are keeping a hush on it by announcing it to the media? I've heard it all now.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I realise that you are probably not as infantile as you are pretending to be.

The issue is why have they gone quiet on it (having previously been candid on the point) and why did they not mention in in the open debate today?

armaghniac

The latest analogy for the wee 6, reverse Greenland. Not a sexual position under a polar bearskin, but referring to the fact that Greenland is part of Denmark but is not in the EU. Reverse Greenland would place NI in the EU, but still under British rule.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

muppet

Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it.

Political stability considered more valuable than political opportunism. Obviously not all politicians are d**kheads

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36637915

"...Northern Ireland also voted in favour of remain, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South, which is outside the UK and remains in the EU..."

What point are you making here?

You said: "In Stormont the Shinners avoid any mention of a border poll and in the Dail the government reject any notion of it."

Yet: "Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, of the Sinn Fein party, has called for a referendum on reuniting the North with the South"
I'm fully aware to the fact that several shinners have called for a border poll. I am drawing attention to the fact that they have not done so in the specially convened debate in Stormont. It has been mentioned in the Dail debate (also onging) but only to reject it outright

;D ;D

Why?

To keep it a secret from Unionists?

Maybe that is why they are keeping hush on it now? Maybe you have it? Maybe your are the chief SF strategist?

Or possibly they have grown up and decided to stop shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring?

They are keeping a hush on it by announcing it to the media? I've heard it all now.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I realise that you are probably not as infantile as you are pretending to be.

The issue is why have they gone quiet on it (having previously been candid on the point) and why did they not mention in in the open debate today?

Adams, McGuinness and Mary Lou have all raised it in the media since Friday, so saying 'they have gone quiet on it' is not representing the reality at all.

As for not mentioning in the debate today in Stormont, who knows? Stormont will have no say in what happens next, so maybe that is why they are saying it publicly elsewhere, who knows how they see it.
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smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2016, 03:55:17 PM
The latest analogy for the wee 6, reverse Greenland. Not a sexual position under a polar bearskin, but referring to the fact that Greenland is part of Denmark but is not in the EU. Reverse Greenland would place NI in the EU, but still under British rule.

We have a dysfunctional economy but not quite as narrowly based as Greenland. If the NI population could all fit in Kilkeel and Ardglass and the rest was just an icefield then maybe we could sit out the rest of UK