County Rankings 2001-2015

Started by Feckitt, June 10, 2013, 12:19:44 PM

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seafoid

#15
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 10, 2013, 04:16:04 PM
Any ranking that puts Galway above Mayo has no value, Galway have done nothing in a very long time.
Why choose 2001?

Why not start in the year 2000 or ten years ago in 2003 season - 2012 season?

Does Mayo leap frog to third if we win just 1 All-Ireland?
In fairness, neither have Mayo.
Nobody in Galway would boast about the lost all Ireland finals of the 70s 
Mayo have potential but they haven't converted it yet.

Fuzzman

It's hard to believe that only Kerry & Tyrone have won more than 1 AI in the last 10 years.
Cork certainly should have had at least another one and probably the Dubs as they always win Leinster at a canter.

Before 2000 then Dublin have 2 going back to 1995, Cork have 3 if you include 1989, Meath have 4 if you go back to 1987 and Down have 2 going back to 1991.

So if we go back to 1980 which is 23 years then the table of titles reads
Kerry   11
Meath  4 (including 2 in a row 87 & 88)
Dublin  3
Cork 3 (including 2 in a row 89 & 90)
Tyrone 3
Down 2
Galway 2
Donegal 2

Tyrone & Donegal seem to be the only new kids on the block breaking in to the main contenders over the years. For the last year decades Dublin have only won one AI every decade. Will that change this year?

AZOffaly

What's very interesting  (relatively) is to track a team's progression or otherwise through the years in the All Ireland Series, since the Qualifiers were brought in. (Which is why 2001 is used I presume).

For example, Galway versus Mayo since 2001.



Or the Big 4 teams of the last decade...



The legend is simple. 1 is first round of the qualifiers, each round of progression is the next number until 8 is All Ireland champion.

PAULD123

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 10, 2013, 04:16:04 PM
Any ranking that puts Galway above Mayo has no value, Galway have done nothing in a very long time.

Why choose 2001?

Why not start in the year 2000 or ten years ago in 2003 season - 2012 season?

Does Mayo leap frog to third if we win just 1 All-Ireland?

If Mayo win even one All-Ireland then they deserve to be third or at least considered ranked up there with Cork. If they had won one, only Tyrone and Kerry would deserve to be considered better than Mayo in the last decade.

Let's be honest if Mayo could win this year's title then how could anyone honestly say Donegal have achieved more in the last ten years than Mayo? it would mean an All-Ireland, 3 runner up, and 3 NFL runner up. Mayo have been at the top table for a long time.

AZOffaly

Out of the 12 years since the qualifiers started, Mayo have been in the quarter finals or better 7 times. That's Munster Holy Grail type consistency.

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 10, 2013, 04:19:31 PM
It's hard to believe that only Kerry & Tyrone have won more than 1 AI in the last 10 years.
Cork certainly should have had at least another one and probably the Dubs as they always win Leinster at a canter.

Before 2000 then Dublin have 2 going back to 1995, Cork have 3 if you include 1989, Meath have 4 if you go back to 1987 and Down have 2 going back to 1991.

So if we go back to 1980 which is 23 33 years then the table of titles reads
Kerry   11
Meath  4 (including 2 in a row 87 & 88)
Dublin  3
Cork 3 (including 2 in a row 89 & 90)
Tyrone 3
Down 2
Galway 2
Donegal 2

Tyrone & Donegal seem to be the only new kids on the block breaking in to the main contenders over the years. For the last year decades Dublin have only won one AI every decade. Will that change this year?
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

armaghniac

Quote=19. Monaghan 0-0-0-1

If Monaghan had been in Munster/Connacht they might very well have been in a few QFs.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

J70

#22
People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Syferus

Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Wildweasel74

Better craic doing the rankings of the worst 10, Kilkenny leading the way, but i wouldnt be sure who and in what order the rest would follow

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Syferus

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2013, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Underage success is no guarantee of future glory - which was the question, not that they would be a top level team - we know that very well, as do Galway, Armagh and a multitude of other counties.

Cork are a team on a downward incline right now and unless they unearth some real gems and keep lads like Colm O'Niell on their feet the likes of Dublin and Donegal will be immovable objects for them.

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

#27
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Quote=19. Monaghan 0-0-0-1

If Monaghan had been in Munster/Connacht they might very well have been in a few QFs.

Similarly, Mayo might have won more All-Ireland's by playing in Ulster after the decline of Galway and as Roscommon slumbered mid-decade. Sligo was hit and miss.

Kerry might have won less All-Irelands but beat Tyrone on a regular basis if they had been in Ulster.

Dublin might have struggled against Mayo if they had been in Connacht (and against Galway in early part of decade), they may have never got past Kerry or Cork and not built as they have.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

From the Bunker

These sort of discussions are great for fans of Counties who have done well in the past to feel good about themselves in the present. Galway can live off winning a All Ireland 12 years ago and doing feck all since. Mayo can live of of the odd big scalp consistently and doing feck all else. In reality we don't really need analysis like this to show us that Kerry and Tyrone were the Top teams of the last while. Still I suppose it's a bit of fun!

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2013, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2013, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Underage success is no guarantee of future glory - which was the question, not that they would be a top level team - we know that very well, as do Galway, Armagh and a multitude of other counties.

Cork are a team on a downward incline right now and unless they unearth some real gems and keep lads like Colm O'Niell on their feet the likes of Dublin and Donegal will be immovable objects for them.
Colm O'Neill came from the 2007,09 U-21 teams as did Goudling,Kerrigan,Gould,Sheehan

Apart from Donegal who did win a minor,U-21 Ulster titles which of the top sides haven't had success at underage level? It's no guarantee however those that don't produce at senior level like Armagh,Galway have underachieved.