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Title: Career Change
Post by: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
Anyone got any advice on a career change for a 40 year old? Been in my current role for 15 years and feel like I'm stagnating. Feel like it's change now or stick it out for the forseeable. Has anyone went through a change of career and have any recommendations etc.?

Should have added, I don't mind going and doing a part time course ie. plumbing etc.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Dire Ear on March 21, 2018, 10:58:04 AM
Plenty of engineering jobs in Tyrone,  training given, seems to be plenty of hours available.  Not sure what area,  place or job type , you're looking?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
Cheers Dire Ear. That's the thing, I'm not sure what area I want to go down, hence I'm here looking for ideas. Its worked already as I never thought about engineering. What kind of salary are you talking after say 5 years experience?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Dire Ear on March 21, 2018, 11:16:36 AM
Can't help you with figures I'm sorry!  But the numbers are vast ; Terex, Maximus, Chieftain, Mallaghan,  and thats just on the main road between Coalisland and Dungannon
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 21, 2018, 11:24:29 AM
Been down this route a couple times, from an engineering background originally and got into teaching engineering in training colleges.. good sector to get into providing you have the temperment and skills.. Most training organisations will put you through all your exams also, up to a teaching certificate..

Lots of other things to branch off into within those jobs, management, auditor, and so on

But I changed all that about 5 odd years ago and got into medical sales, mine is a niche market of sales which required a foundation degree course but its been the best move yet, very tough to give it a go in your 40's, I was 41 so for me it was a gamble that has paid off and works well for me..

I'd full recommend to change your job if your feeling like that
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
Anyone got any advice on a career change for a 40 year old? Been in my current role for 15 years and feel like I'm stagnating. Feel like it's change now or stick it out for the forseeable. Has anyone went through a change of career and have any recommendations etc.?

Should have added, I don't mind going and doing a part time course ie. plumbing etc.

What's your skills?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Boycey on March 21, 2018, 11:43:37 AM
I'm in the same boat but almost 10 years older  >:(. The job I'm in at the minute is actually affecting my mental health but I'm not sure where to turn or what I'm qualified to do...
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: The Iceman on March 21, 2018, 11:52:53 AM
I know a lot of lads around 40 questioning life, career choice, looking forward to retirement and the time they have left.
A job is a job. If it isn't something vocational that doesn't translate well in to another role I would sit tight and just view it as a way to make money to pay for life.
Then try to embrace the actual living part a little more......take up a new hobby or go on a trip or take on a project around the house and complete it.... happiness in work or relationships or life isn't chasing the next thing...I've found it's a decision mostly.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 12:03:42 PM
Fair point Iceman
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 21, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 21, 2018, 11:43:37 AM
I'm in the same boat but almost 10 years older  >:(. The job I'm in at the minute is actually affecting my mental health but I'm not sure where to turn or what I'm qualified to do...

If its affecting your health you need to review your current choices, and yes you have to take into consideration the money side of things but if the job starts to have a down side medically then I'd be looking a way out or speak to those within the company to reduce the pressures of the job, if possible
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: general on March 21, 2018, 12:49:42 PM
Anyone working on the tools - Health & Safety is the most obvious choice. Its an interesting career which of course is spoken about badly by any site workers - however all H&S personnel do is help make work safer and potentially save lives. Sure what does it matter if it means doing things a bit differently or slower.

I'm involved with my own family Health & Safety Training business - serious amount of men getting off the tools and into H&S - anyone want any advice or have a chat by all means send me a DM and we can get a craic on the phone
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 21, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
You're not alone Ty4Sam. I remember chatting with a fella a couple of years ago and he said that he thought 40 was the apex of his (or anyone's) career where he has plenty of knowledge and experience to offer employers which he could use to to make some "real money" as he called it, whereas as starting to move towards 50 he thought he'd become less employable. He jacked his job and took up a similar albeit far better paid job in England. Afterwards I stuck some feelers out, interviewed for another job, told my boss the score and they offered me better pay and conditions to stay, but I can feel the effect of that starting to wear off now and I'd be game for a change too.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 21, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
You're not alone Ty4Sam. I remember chatting with a fella a couple of years ago and he said that he thought 40 was the apex of his (or anyone's) career where he has plenty of knowledge and experience to offer employers which he could use to to make some "real money" as he called it, whereas as starting to move towards 50 he thought he'd become less employable. He jacked his job and took up a similar albeit far better paid job in England. Afterwards I stuck some feelers out, interviewed for another job, told my boss the score and they offered me better pay and conditions to stay, but I can feel the effect of that starting to wear off now and I'd be game for a change too.

A lot of that resonates with me. I would feel pretty confident going down any line of work at the minute and would feel that I could offer any business a lot. As you said, in the (far away!) horizon is 50 and less chance of getting employed therefore it feels like I'm approaching last chance saloon.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 21, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
Cheers Dire Ear. That's the thing, I'm not sure what area I want to go down, hence I'm here looking for ideas. Its worked already as I never thought about engineering. What kind of salary are you talking after say 5 years experience?

Depends what sort of engineering you want to look at. Engineers (Design, Manufacturing, Project) after 5 years would be looking at anything between £30-45K depending on industry. Tyrone is booming engineering wise. But you'll have ground work to do if you don't already have a Engineering qualification. What are you doing at the minute? 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: illdecide on March 22, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
I worked in Engineering for 13 years and served an Engineering apprenticeship but was fed up coming home from work every night with the face black and blowing your nose seeing what you had been breathing in all day. Not to mention the hospital visits to get steel out of your eye and arc eye (welding flash) so decided around late 20's and early 30's to go back to college and done a foundation degree in Civil Engineering and this is what i currently work at, i'm mostly office based but i do get out on site sometimes surveying with Total Station and GPS equipment which i love as being from an outside man background. I'm glad i done the career change but TBH there are very few people who really truly love their job and as someone stated it's about earning as much as possible for as little as work as possible.

Believe it or not but recently another opportunity has come up to purchase a we small business (family in law owned) which i'm strongly considering but still hope to stay where i currently work...Things will be interesting in the next 6-12 months.

I don't know what you currently work at or what else interests you but don't be afraid to give it a go...whats the worst can happen? If it doesn't work out you have tried it and go back to what you know best and you'll be happy with yourself that you gave it a go and it wasn't for you. If you give it a go and you like it then winner winner chicken dinner ;D
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on March 22, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
You could try a real career path change and go into law.....PM Syferus and he'll keep you right about that....he's a legal expert like Jamie Bryson ;D
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 22, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.

Work in the software field myself and starting contracting around 18 months ago.  Been going well so far - and was actually contacted by a company I was full time with to see would I be interested in coming back as a contractor.  You obviously need a few years experience in the field before you might be confident to be a contractor.  Some of the Daily rates for the right skillset in London/Dublin is great - drop me a pm if you want to discuss further.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: seafoid on March 22, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on March 21, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
Anyone got any advice on a career change for a 40 year old? Been in my current role for 15 years and feel like I'm stagnating. Feel like it's change now or stick it out for the forseeable. Has anyone went through a change of career and have any recommendations etc.?

Should have added, I don't mind going and doing a part time course ie. plumbing etc.

To do it properly you need a career advisor who can do a few tests to see if something else would suit you. Courses are a good idea so you can gain exposure to the new thing and also start building a network.
The best job is one that suits the way you think .
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 22, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
You could try a real career path change and go into law.....PM Syferus and he'll keep you right about that....he's a legal expert like Jamie Bryson ;D

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: lurganblue on March 22, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
It's something i have been thinking about recently myself. My own issues would be that a change of career sometimes means a drop in wages (not that i earn very much) to start on the bottom rung. With a young family and the various commitments that brings I dont think I could do that. Possibly going back to some sort of part time learning would be a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on March 22, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.

Work in the software field myself and starting contracting around 18 months ago.  Been going well so far - and was actually contacted by a company I was full time with to see would I be interested in coming back as a contractor.  You obviously need a few years experience in the field before you might be confident to be a contractor.  Some of the Daily rates for the right skillset in London/Dublin is great - drop me a pm if you want to discuss further.

I'm in the game about 20 years and to be honest, most contract roles I've seen are all development roles. If I never had to write another line of code I wouldnt complain at this stage.
Also, with a young family, I wouldnt fancy the Dublin/London thing. Maybe I'm too picky.
The role I'm looking at currently is a non development one whereas I currently still have some element of coding though mostly management. I'm hoping that if I do decide to go, the change of role will re-invigorate me.
But I do know that when you are doing the same job for too long, you do stagnate and that can affect your health.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 22, 2018, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on March 22, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.

Work in the software field myself and starting contracting around 18 months ago.  Been going well so far - and was actually contacted by a company I was full time with to see would I be interested in coming back as a contractor.  You obviously need a few years experience in the field before you might be confident to be a contractor.  Some of the Daily rates for the right skillset in London/Dublin is great - drop me a pm if you want to discuss further.

I'm in the game about 20 years and to be honest, most contract roles I've seen are all development roles. If I never had to write another line of code I wouldnt complain at this stage.
Also, with a young family, I wouldnt fancy the Dublin/London thing. Maybe I'm too picky.
The role I'm looking at currently is a non-development one whereas I currently still have some element of coding though mostly management. I'm hoping that if I do decide to go, the change of role will re-invigorate me.
But I do know that when you are doing the same job for too long, you do stagnate and that can affect your health.

Ah fair enough then - I'm coding just over 10 years now and that was one of the main reasons got into contracting - didn't want all the b*llshit that goes with moving up the roles in companies to an architect role or project manager, etc - enjoy coming in writing code going home.  The money is the only thing that would tempt me to London/Dublin - however happy with what I'm - based in b.fast city centre which is a handy enough commute for me - also have the home office if I need to do a bit from home and the company are happy enough that I can work from home if needed 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: seafoid on March 22, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.
A good career consultant will be able to build the parameters of a new career from things you have done in your old one. Eg what management or project management experience you have. Lots of skills are transferable. 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.
A good career consultant will be able to build the parameters of a new career from things you have done in your old one. Eg what management or project management experience you have. Lots of skills are transferable.


How popular Re these career consultants now? Are they a step up from a recruitment agent? Who I've no time for based on past experiences ( that's not to say I had the best ones working to get me employed)
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: seafoid on March 22, 2018, 07:18:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: laoislad on March 21, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
If you can at all I'd advise anyone to give working for yourself a go. It certainly brings it's own headaches and whatever but the freedom of it and not having to answer to anyone is what makes it for me.
I couldn't imagine ever working for anyone again. I don't like being told what to do anyways (get enough of that off the mrs at home)so working for myself suits me down to the ground.

I'd love to give this a go, but in the software field its a difficult one to go it alone. I'm on the verge of taking a new role, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others here.
I think if I was to do it all again, I'd start out on my own at a younger age when I have no responsibilities. When you have kids and a mortgage its a bigger risk.
Plus, work-life-balance is key for me. I dont want to live to work, which I fear would happen when self employed.

I've often thought about a complete change of career and retraining etc, but then you go back to the bottom of the salary scale again and that would be a tough pill to swallow.
A good career consultant will be able to build the parameters of a new career from things you have done in your old one. Eg what management or project management experience you have. Lots of skills are transferable.


How popular Re these career consultants now? Are they a step up from a recruitment agent? Who I've no time for based on past experiences ( that's not to say I had the best ones working to get me employed)
Very different pros. Recruitment agents put you in the box you were always in. Career consultants find you a different box.
A lot of the reasons why people think they could be in a different career are based around how they think.
If you have a job that motivates you it is less likely that the job will be be boring or not go anywhere. 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on March 22, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Career coach who I did a bit of work with before was very good. She's based in Holywood if anyone interested. PM me
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?

Not having daughters would be a start!
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: imtommygunn on March 22, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?

It really depends on your career surely?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 08:11:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?

Not having daughters would be a start!
How are you getting on with the pup by the way
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 08:11:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?

Not having daughters would be a start!
How are you getting on with the pup by the way

9 months now and it's like she has always been there.. the kids do the odd thing but we generally do all the walking lifting and feeding! Very good with people and other dogs..

The wife has started taking her to a behaviour training class, just for info and tips as I've no issues at all but just to see.. holidays have been curtailed as I'm just interested in finding spots that are dog friendly!

As an add on to this thread, there are a serious amount of dog jobs, walkers, kennels, pampering, play parks. They are well paid and one girl I know who does this earns real good coin
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Minder on March 22, 2018, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 08:11:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 22, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
So what's considered to be good money for a man in his 50s?

Not having daughters would be a start!
How are you getting on with the pup by the way

9 months now and it's like she has always been there.. the kids do the odd thing but we generally do all the walking lifting and feeding! Very good with people and other dogs..

The wife has started taking her to a behaviour training class, just for info and tips as I've no issues at all but just to see.. holidays have been curtailed as I'm just interested in finding spots that are dog friendly!

As an add on to this thread, there are a serious amount of dog jobs, walkers, kennels, pampering, play parks. They are well paid and one girl I know who does this earns real good coin

Woman lives opposite me is a dog groomer and never stops from 8am to 5pm, £25 a go
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: laoislad on March 22, 2018, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 22, 2018, 09:12:44 PM

Woman lives opposite me is a dog groomer and never stops from 8am to 5pm, £25 a go
Huge money to be made from pets, some people are crazy what they are willing to spend on animals.
My wife is a Vet but before we had kids she had a little side business doing dog obedience classes at the weekend. She was flat out every Saturday doing  it. I was always amazed how much people were willing to spend on their dogs.
She eventually gave it up when she got pregnant but it was good while it lasted.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Puckoon on March 22, 2018, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 22, 2018, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 22, 2018, 09:12:44 PM

Woman lives opposite me is a dog groomer and never stops from 8am to 5pm, £25 a go
Huge money to be made from pets, some people are crazy what they are willing to spend on animals.
My wife is a Vet but before we had kids she had a little side business doing dog obedience classes at the weekend. She was flat out every Saturday doing  it. I was always amazed how much people were willing to spend on their dogs.
She eventually gave it up when she got pregnant but it was good while it lasted.

The Obedience? Or the side business?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Puckoon on March 22, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 21, 2018, 11:52:53 AM
I know a lot of lads around 40 questioning life, career choice, looking forward to retirement and the time they have left.
A job is a job. If it isn't something vocational that doesn't translate well in to another role I would sit tight and just view it as a way to make money to pay for life.
Then try to embrace the actual living part a little more......take up a new hobby or go on a trip or take on a project around the house and complete it.... happiness in work or relationships or life isn't chasing the next thing...I've found it's a decision mostly.

Crazy how accurate the first sentence is. Pushing 40 in 2 years myself and 2016 I left a very busy, albeit not greatly paid job to take on a less busy job, being paid twice as much with incentive to make up to 3 times my previous salary. I thought the money would bring great happiness - and while it's very nice to be in this position from a financial perspective - there are days I go up the walls with madness. I was used to turning the computer on at 6am on a Monday and having enough work in the mailbox by lunch time to keep me going until the weekend. It was overwhelming but I really enjoyed it. It was like crossfit employment.

I still work very hard, but have a much more enjoyable work life balance now. I can take the kid to school, pick her up, go to the gym during the day etc - but I am gone overnight anywhere from 10-18 nights out of 24 average in a month. That being said, I felt much more successful in my older job. Some people have an unhealthy sense of self worth tied into what they do, and I was clearly in that boat and it took some readjustment of expectations on my part.

I'd love to have a marketable skill that translated into my own business. I do regret never learning things like that as a younger man.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 08:14:07 AM
Not sure if the right thread....but

Currently work at a place I enjoy and got a promotion of sorts to another department two years ago.  It's been going well, but having made some enquiries with recruitment companies etc I could be probably be getting a further 3/4K doing the same role elsewhere.  They are keen to send the CV, but I'm sorta torn between staying put for another bit to get more experience, or just letting them send the CV and see if I get called up for any interviews.  Regarding asking for a pay increase with current employer, I did touch on it before with them, but to honest it's the sort of place were it won't happen unless you had an offer from somewhere else and they wanted to keep you.  Anyone been in similar position?  Is liking a place of work enough of a justification to say for a further bit?  I have though found that progress has stalled abit in current role.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2019, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 08:14:07 AM
Not sure if the right thread....but

Currently work at a place I enjoy and got a promotion of sorts to another department two years ago.  It's been going well, but having made some enquiries with recruitment companies etc I could be probably be getting a further 3/4K doing the same role elsewhere.  They are keen to send the CV, but I'm sorta torn between staying put for another bit to get more experience, or just letting them send the CV and see if I get called up for any interviews.  Regarding asking for a pay increase with current employer, I did touch on it before with them, but to honest it's the sort of place were it won't happen unless you had an offer from somewhere else and they wanted to keep you.  Anyone been in similar position?  Is liking a place of work enough of a justification to say for a further bit?  I have though found that progress has stalled a bit in current role.

Firstly enjoying where you work is massive and should be a big consideration. Have you actually firmly asked for a raise and shown them some justification, i.e shots of job boards showing similar roles with higher salaries, salary surveys etc? If not then, that would be my first step. If it's still a no you've then a decision to make.
Secondly you have to consider the long term. With that business are you going to have to interview and get a counter offer every time you feel you are justified in a pay rise? A lot of hassle if the company aren't being proactive to ensure they keep talent.
What I would say is don't go down the route of getting another offer to push up your salary unless you've actually decided that you are prepared to leave if your current employer doesn't play ball. The reality is that maybe the business can't afford an increase, or that they don't believe you are preforming at a level to justify the increase. And at that stage I think you need to be prepared to follow through and leave.
All in my opinion obviously. But definitely don't under rate the importance of working somewhere you enjoy.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2019, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 08:14:07 AM
Not sure if the right thread....but

Currently work at a place I enjoy and got a promotion of sorts to another department two years ago.  It's been going well, but having made some enquiries with recruitment companies etc I could be probably be getting a further 3/4K doing the same role elsewhere.  They are keen to send the CV, but I'm sorta torn between staying put for another bit to get more experience, or just letting them send the CV and see if I get called up for any interviews.  Regarding asking for a pay increase with current employer, I did touch on it before with them, but to honest it's the sort of place were it won't happen unless you had an offer from somewhere else and they wanted to keep you.  Anyone been in similar position?  Is liking a place of work enough of a justification to say for a further bit?  I have though found that progress has stalled abit in current role.

I've always moved to the better paying job in the same career, why be paid less for doing the same job? If its in the same location and you are not travelling further and and the level of work is the same then send your CV, if it encourages your current employers to match that offer then you have the choice! If they don't match it then you'll now how they feel about you as a valued employee
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 09:08:32 AM
I've never moved for a pay decrease but there are two jobs I have worked in I would have considered it for.

Talk to them but if only go for the job if you are prepared to follow through with your threat of leaving if they don't offer you more money.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: trailer on August 05, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 08:14:07 AM
Not sure if the right thread....but

Currently work at a place I enjoy and got a promotion of sorts to another department two years ago.  It's been going well, but having made some enquiries with recruitment companies etc I could be probably be getting a further 3/4K doing the same role elsewhere.  They are keen to send the CV, but I'm sorta torn between staying put for another bit to get more experience, or just letting them send the CV and see if I get called up for any interviews.  Regarding asking for a pay increase with current employer, I did touch on it before with them, but to honest it's the sort of place were it won't happen unless you had an offer from somewhere else and they wanted to keep you.  Anyone been in similar position?  Is liking a place of work enough of a justification to say for a further bit?  I have though found that progress has stalled abit in current role.

Go in an say that you need more money and if you don't get it you'll have to look at other employers but that this is your least favourite choice and you rather stay were you are. If they don't give you the payrise, they don't value you and you should look for another employer.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 05, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2019, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 08:14:07 AM
Not sure if the right thread....but

Currently work at a place I enjoy and got a promotion of sorts to another department two years ago.  It's been going well, but having made some enquiries with recruitment companies etc I could be probably be getting a further 3/4K doing the same role elsewhere.  They are keen to send the CV, but I'm sorta torn between staying put for another bit to get more experience, or just letting them send the CV and see if I get called up for any interviews.  Regarding asking for a pay increase with current employer, I did touch on it before with them, but to honest it's the sort of place were it won't happen unless you had an offer from somewhere else and they wanted to keep you.  Anyone been in similar position?  Is liking a place of work enough of a justification to say for a further bit?  I have though found that progress has stalled a bit in current role.

Firstly enjoying where you work is massive and should be a big consideration. Have you actually firmly asked for a raise and shown them some justification, i.e shots of job boards showing similar roles with higher salaries, salary surveys etc? If not then, that would be my first step. If it's still a no you've then a decision to make.
Secondly you have to consider the long term. With that business are you going to have to interview and get a counter offer every time you feel you are justified in a pay rise? A lot of hassle if the company aren't being proactive to ensure they keep talent.
What I would say is don't go down the route of getting another offer to push up your salary unless you've actually decided that you are prepared to leave if your current employer doesn't play ball. The reality is that maybe the business can't afford an increase, or that they don't believe you are preforming at a level to justify the increase. And at that stage I think you need to be prepared to follow through and leave.
All in my opinion obviously. But definitely don't under rate the importance of working somewhere you enjoy.

Agree with everything trueblue has said here. Have worked places getting more money but it was hateful to get out of bed and go into work in the morning. Love my current job and probably could get more somewhere else but wouldn't compensate for how much I currently enjoy it and the people I work with.

Another thing to consider is the whole package not just the salary - for example my current employer are extremely flexible when it comes to unexpected appointments, working from home, taking time out for family issues etc. Pension, life insurance, dental insurance etc.

Is your manager approachable and could you discuss with him/her the possibility of moving for a higher salary in an informal chat to get an idea of if they will offer you a raise?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
I did broach the subject in a recent appraisal, but to be honest I don't think it was taken seriously and my immediate manager quickly changed topic.  As I said previously, I won't be getting a pay increase unless I had an offer on the table and even then they might not do anything.  They will argue that I don't have sufficient experience in my current role, as I've only been doing it for 2 years compared to others in the team who have much more experience, however: recruitment agency reckons I could get more elsewhere.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Taylor on August 05, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
I did broach the subject in a recent appraisal, but to be honest I don't think it was taken seriously and my immediate manager quickly changed topic.  As I said previously, I won't be getting a pay increase unless I had an offer on the table and even then they might not do anything.  They will argue that I don't have sufficient experience in my current role, as I've only been doing it for 2 years compared to others in the team who have much more experience, however: recruitment agency reckons I could get more elsewhere.

Be careful when listening to recruiters - they will tell you anything to get you on the books.
As someone said start looking around the market to see what a comparable wage is for your role and experience.
Take this to your next appraisal/1:1 along with tangible facts and figures on your performance.

If they dont play ball or take you seriously then start looking elsewhere to get your market worth
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 05, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 05, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 05, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
I did broach the subject in a recent appraisal, but to be honest I don't think it was taken seriously and my immediate manager quickly changed topic.  As I said previously, I won't be getting a pay increase unless I had an offer on the table and even then they might not do anything.  They will argue that I don't have sufficient experience in my current role, as I've only been doing it for 2 years compared to others in the team who have much more experience, however: recruitment agency reckons I could get more elsewhere.

Be careful when listening to recruiters - they will tell you anything to get you on the books.
As someone said start looking around the market to see what a comparable wage is for your role and experience.
Take this to your next appraisal/1:1 along with tangible facts and figures on your performance.

If they dont play ball or take you seriously then start looking elsewhere to get your market worth
When talking to recruiters imagine you are talking to a used car dealer. You seem to be fairly honest in your own appraisal of your experience. If you aren't prepared to make a move ask your manager for specific detail on what you need to do to get promoted and/or a decent pay rise.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 05, 2019, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 22, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
The role I'm looking at currently is a non development one whereas I currently still have some element of coding though mostly management. I'm hoping that if I do decide to go, the change of role will re-invigorate me.
But I do know that when you are doing the same job for too long, you do stagnate and that can affect your health.

Ah jeez - keep coding for as long as you can.

The minute you stop doing the actual work is the minute you start stagnating.

If yer bored, learn a new language.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Hardy on August 10, 2019, 09:54:40 AM
They have to believe you will leave, deal or no deal.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tintin25 on February 08, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
Bumping this again.

Anyone have experience of using an alternative job offer as leverage for a better package with their current employer? I'm guessing you could only do this once with an employer?  Basically, if you tried it around 18 months after 1st time they'd tell ya to get to fcuk?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: imtommygunn on February 08, 2021, 12:07:50 PM
If you, or whoever, feel you need to keep doing this is this not a bit of a red flag? I've done it once but tbh I would just leave before going there again.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 08, 2021, 12:12:30 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on February 08, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
Bumping this again.

Anyone have experience of using an alternative job offer as leverage for a better package with their current employer? I'm guessing you could only do this once with an employer?  Basically, if you tried it around 18 months after 1st time they'd tell ya to get to fcuk?

You are either going or you aren't, its your choice, a confident employer will not fall for it, seen lads overplay their hand many a times.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: imtommygunn on February 08, 2021, 12:13:50 PM
Yeah only ever do this if you are prepared to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tintin25 on February 08, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
Thing is, I actually enjoy working for the current employer (in the main) and the people.  But I know I can get paid more with similar employers within the Industry, circa 20%.  I am prepared to go, but not a case where I really want to....but I can't turn down a significant rise in salary.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: trailer on February 08, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
Definitely a high stakes game. 1 person only ever tried it with me and I just accepted her resignation.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tbrick18 on February 08, 2021, 12:36:46 PM
I would say be very careful when taking this approach.
If you give an ultimatum of "give me a pay rise or else..." nature, be prepared to either eat humble pie or to leave.
I know many employers would just say to go if you want.

A much better approach is to have an honest discussion with your employer to explain why you think you should get more money. They may agree, or they might explain why you wouldn't/shouldn't get more or perhaps explain what you can do to earn more.
At that stage if not happy with the outcome, then go for the new role. If offered something paying more money, you can still go back to your employer and give them the option of paying you more but you need to be prepared to leave if they don't.
For me, that's the only way to be content with your decision.

But bear in mind, money is not the only factor. Flexible working, holidays, prospects, benefits, sick pay....all these things need to be considered. if you lose paid sick pay (for example), or if you're working longer hours the extra money might not be enough. You need to look at the overall package of a new role in terms of salary, benefits and the job itself. It can be difficult to compare roles though.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Louther on February 08, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
If you willing to use that tactic be very willing to move job and follow through.

Also, I've seen a mistrust of employees afterwards by those who have done it. More expectations on them and other factors not going their way - key accounts allocated elsewhere, perks, demands etc. You have to back yourself but that all depends on the role and level involved.

It's still very much an employees market at present for lot of roles even with Covid. So employers do tend to look to hang on where possible.

Very relevant point on money been one factor but not the other. In our manufacturing setting, you'll often see staff leave for 25c an hour more up the road but they ring back weeks later asking to come back as XYZ wasn't as promised and other elements not in their favour.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: marty34 on February 08, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
You'd need to weigh everything up.

Wage, happiness, loyalty, travel and pension etc. etc.

Are you guaranteed, in this economic climate, another job?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: armaghniac on February 08, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 08, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
You'd need to weigh everything up.

Wage, happiness, loyalty, travel and pension etc. etc.

Are you guaranteed, in this economic climate, another job?

I don't care too much for money, as money can't buy me love.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: general on February 08, 2021, 01:31:11 PM
For the like of trades, the easiest way of a change of career is delving into Health & Safety. More often than not you may be seen as the bad guy on site, however with the amount of jobs and attractive salaries available its a no brainer, especially for anyone looking to get off the tools.

If you have knowledge of the construction industry as a tradesman, you will already have the knowledge - training you receive will enable you to use your knowledge to the correct way for the job (H&S).

A course such as NEBOSH Construction, matched with 5+ Years construction experience would enable anyone to walk into a H&S job circa 50k Euro - if you can talk the talk when you get your qualification then your opportunities will be endless
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: imtommygunn on February 08, 2021, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks

According to glassdoor the average salary for a grad is ~25k. I have seen it about taht and a bit less.

Brick I think your advice there is sound.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: HiMucker on February 08, 2021, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on February 08, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
Thing is, I actually enjoy working for the current employer (in the main) and the people.  But I know I can get paid more with similar employers within the Industry, circa 20%.  I am prepared to go, but not a case where I really want to....but I can't turn down a significant rise in salary.
Tintin heres what you do, write a number of the salary you want on a piece of paper, go in to your managers office and slam it down on his desk, face down and tell him firmly "give me a number, and if its not bigger than the one I have written down here, adios amigo"
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 08, 2021, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks

Depends on the software house you may be going to? Some of the smaller software houses that deal in web development would offer anything from the late teens into the early 20's but nothing more. 

I would be looking down the line and assessing where you want to be in 5 or 10 years.  Getting into the right company is more important than anything in my opinion also.  You might land a job where you are learning nothing at all and churning out the same shit every week making the business money but not furthering your own growth. 

Some of those larger businesses, although very corporate, have a good internal path for growth, other businesses you will find you may hit your limit fairly fast. 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 02:19:33 PM
Agree with tbrick etc. on this and why you should approach your employer and explain your current mindset.

I know a fella tried it last year about a month after getting a decent pay rise. Got offered a better job with more money, terms etc. and could we match it to keep him. We told him he had got a decent pay rise and weren't offering anything more so let us know when you plan to leave so we can get a job ad out for a replacement.

Came back a couple of days later with tail between legs saying the new job wasn't right for him. Happy enough to keep him but he has created ill will towards him and looked like a bit of a clown for a while. Stick or twist.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: thebigfella on February 08, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks

Not sure on the junior dev salary in Belfast but you'd be wasting 12-18 months of your career sticking with the role they offered. You need to be writing code in real world delivery/best practice rather than doing coding problems and tutorials.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: majestic on February 08, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 08, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks

Not sure on the junior dev salary in Belfast but you'd be wasting 12-18 months of your career sticking with the role they offered. You need to be writing code in real world delivery/best practice rather than doing coding problems and tutorials.

Yeah - I was thinking this myself, I am really keen to start learning in a professional setting as soon as possible, and as Ethan mentioned I really want to find a role that will help develop my skills.

Is there anywhere that you and Ethan would avoid in terms of churning out the same stuff week in week out? Also, anywhere you would recommend for a strong learning and development culture?

On another topic, any React-Native developers on here? I am trying to create an app which will use some image processing, I was going to use Open CV, but this requires Native Modules and the code to to written in Objective-C, feel like I have bitten off more than I can chew for my final project.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 09, 2021, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 08, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: majestic on February 08, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Hi folks.

I'm coming to the end of a 3 year part time masters course in Software development, to enable me to change careers. I work for a large firm in Belfast and spoke with my current employer about changing roles from an operations type role to a dev role. I was told that this would be supported but has recently been pulled and told that the role available would be more a BA type role, while keeping some of my own current responsibilities. My initial thoughts are that this is not the way to go as I am more interesting in dev/coding and want to gain experience here ASAP. They are selling the fact that I would be able to keep my current salary and would gain more exposure to the dev team and therefore help a transition in 12-18 months if I decided to go that way. Wondering what the starting salary for junior devs would be if anyone has any info that would be helpful, so I can weigh up my options?
Thanks

Not sure on the junior dev salary in Belfast but you'd be wasting 12-18 months of your career sticking with the role they offered. You need to be writing code in real world delivery/best practice rather than doing coding problems and tutorials.

Yeah - I was thinking this myself, I am really keen to start learning in a professional setting as soon as possible, and as Ethan mentioned I really want to find a role that will help develop my skills.

Is there anywhere that you and Ethan would avoid in terms of churning out the same stuff week in week out? Also, anywhere you would recommend for a strong learning and development culture?

On another topic, any React-Native developers on here? I am trying to create an app which will use some image processing, I was going to use Open CV, but this requires Native Modules and the code to to written in Objective-C, feel like I have bitten off more than I can chew for my final project.

Stay away from Digital Agencies that create websites and are trying to claw in new business week in week out.  I worked for one and you were making Wordpress sites every week, your brain turns to much fairly fast. 

My only advise would be to look for a business that is creating/building products, rather than selling services.  A SAAS type business is what you are after.  Where they have their own software, they are constantly working at it and innovating. 

With the pandemic, remote working is a given so look further afield to the UK also, don't limit yourself to Ireland. 
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: pbat on February 13, 2021, 03:26:10 PM
Just wondering has anyone went back to university as a mature student. I regret dropping out of college at 20 and decided I want to back up 25 years Construction Management with some qualifications. I have email UUJ admissions and head of faculty with no response. Do you have to go through the UCAS process as a mature student? Also is there any financial support going back?. Any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: pbat on February 13, 2021, 03:26:10 PM
Just wondering has anyone went back to university as a mature student. I regret dropping out of college at 20 and decided I want to back up 25 years Construction Management with some qualifications. I have email UUJ admissions and head of faculty with no response. Do you have to go through the UCAS process as a mature student? Also is there any financial support going back?. Any advice would be appreciated.

Would your current job not pay towards this if it benefits them?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: trailer on February 15, 2021, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

That's a LOL from me.

Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.

CCEA website gives a brief outline
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Jaysus your some craic
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 15, 2021, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Jesus delgany i think he was only jokin. You teachers are wile touchy these days hi. (My wifes wan an shes as crabbit as an oul cat) 😃
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 15, 2021, 02:00:17 PM
Sure they are off this week, not that it'll make much difference to them  ;D
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.

CCEA website gives a brief outline

Yeah, but do teachers actually use it?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: delgany on February 15, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Jaysus your some craic

Didn't see the smiley face, boss
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: delgany on February 15, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.

CCEA website gives a brief outline

Yeah, but do teachers actually use it?

I think,  it would be compulsory to follow the curriculum, or the boul' inspectors / parents  would be knocking down the doors to get in
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.

CCEA website gives a brief outline

Yeah, but do teachers actually use it?

I think,  it would be compulsory to follow the curriculum, or the boul' inspectors / parents  would be knocking down the doors to get in

Sure can you not tie anything into the curriculum?
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: delgany on February 15, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 15, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Try teaching.  According to this board, it is really easy.

Sure i'm doing that now as well a my own job.  :D

What resources and detailed plans did you use, did you differentiate the learning for the different ability groups in front of you . Did you find the NI curricilum difficult to interpret , did you live a broad balanced curriculum ...be delighted to hear how you managed all that by yourself

Do teachers actually use a curriculum?

That's a serious question.

CCEA website gives a brief outline

Yeah, but do teachers actually use it?

I think,  it would be compulsory to follow the curriculum, or the boul' inspectors / parents  would be knocking down the doors to get in

Sure can you not tie anything into the curriculum?
You still have a core curriculum in ps and a syaballus to follow in post primary
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: knockitdown on February 15, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Haven't been on in a while and have just noticed this tread. I am from a construction background and have been a chartered surveyor for almost 15 years now. I was wondering if anyone had gone into teaching in any form (either in a local tech or one of the universities)? I went self employed around 5 years ago and love my job and having the freedom, but I'm just looking for the next challenge and was always interested in the teaching side of things. How would I go about getting some work in this area, would I need to go back to school myself? I'm looking at teaching surveying and not retraining as a primary or secondary school teacher. I recall in university most of my lecturers were employed elsewhere and the teaching was a part time thing. I would still want to combine this with my normal everyday work. Any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 15, 2021, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on February 15, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Haven't been on in a while and have just noticed this tread. I am from a construction background and have been a chartered surveyor for almost 15 years now. I was wondering if anyone had gone into teaching in any form (either in a local tech or one of the universities)? I went self employed around 5 years ago and love my job and having the freedom, but I'm just looking for the next challenge and was always interested in the teaching side of things. How would I go about getting some work in this area, would I need to go back to school myself? I'm looking at teaching surveying and not retraining as a primary or secondary school teacher. I recall in university most of my lecturers were employed elsewhere and the teaching was a part time thing. I would still want to combine this with my normal everyday work. Any advice would be appreciated.

With your qualification you can do part time in a college and work towards a teaching cert. A years course in UUJ, well that's where I did mine. Holidays are fine and pension with full time employment but wage ceiling would be lower I'd expect for what you do.

Title: Re: Career Change
Post by: tintin25 on February 16, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
Curious to know posters experiences of applying for jobs/attending interviews for higher level roles or those where they had little to no experience.  Anyone went into a managerial or team lead type role without having worked at that level before?