MPs unite to fight law that will make abortions available in Northern Ireland

[Baile Brigín 2]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

If it's not a human.... what is it??

A foetus. Potentially human.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

What's the dispute?

That a foetus is a full human being.

Do you mean a fully grown human being? Because maturity isnt reached until late teens

No, that would be silly

[omaghjoe]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

What's the dispute?

That a foetus is a full human being.

Do you mean a fully grown human being? Because maturity isnt reached until late teens

No, that would be silly

So nothing to do with maturity then, now I am intrigued..... please do tell us how a foetus or any other stage in the human lifecyle is not a human being?

In fact tell us your personal opinion what constitutes a human being and what doesn't because at this point you really do appear to be running contrary to all biological science

[omaghjoe]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

If it's not a human.... what is it??

A foetus. Potentially human.

Theres nothing potential about any stage of the human lifecycle they have been a human since conception.

[Eamonnca1]

[RedHand88]

Do you need someone to explain to you the scientific difference between a sperm cell and an unborn baby?

[Baile Brigín 2]

Do you need someone to explain to you the scientific difference between a sperm cell and an unborn baby?

I think you need the explanation

[Baile Brigín 2]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

If it's not a human.... what is it??

A foetus. Potentially human.

Theres nothing potential about any stage of the human lifecycle they have been a human since conception.

Is that science or Catholic theology?

I love the fact 'science' is invoked to exactly match what the church settled on, having allowed abortion for over a thousand years,  with zero backup.

This is why you list last year. Total gobbeldygook

[gallsman]

they have been a human since conception.

Really?! Says who?

[Baile Brigín 2]

they have been a human since conception.

Really?! Says who?

All science apparantly. Just don't expect a credible link

[RedHand88]

Do you need someone to explain to you the scientific difference between a sperm cell and an unborn baby?

I think you need the explanation

Sperm - A single haploid set of chromosomes derived from father. Is not a human being.

Foetus - Developing/Developed organism where every cell is diploid and contains a full set of 23 human chromosonal pairs. Contains all the genetic information for personality, hair colour, height, predisposition for illness, intelligence etc.
By any scientific definition, is a human being.


To say a foetus is not a human life is to ignore basic biological science.

[omaghjoe]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

If it's not a human.... what is it??

A foetus. Potentially human.

Theres nothing potential about any stage of the human lifecycle they have been a human since conception.

Is that science or Catholic theology?

I love the fact 'science' is invoked to exactly match what the church settled on, having allowed abortion for over a thousand years,  with zero backup.

This is why you list last year. Total gobbeldygook

You and Eamonn seem to be the only ones mentioning Catholicism
If your against anything they're for, at least admit to it.

Dont take my word on the science at all it pretty basic level stuff children learn about it at 3-6 years old, we havent even got into unique DNA or anything else.
But at least look into it yourself and be open minded to your opinion when exploring the facts.
Let the facts form your opinion not the other way around I mean that genuinely

[Baile Brigín 2]

Do you need someone to explain to you the scientific difference between a sperm cell and an unborn baby?

I think you need the explanation

Sperm - A single haploid set of chromosomes derived from father. Is not a human being.

Foetus - Developing/Developed organism where every cell is diploid and contains a full set of 23 human chromosonal pairs. Contains all the genetic information for personality, hair colour, height, predisposition for illness, intelligence etc.
By any scientific definition, is a human being.


To say a foetus is not a human life is to ignore basic biological science.

You are interchangeably using terms like human being and human life. Think about that

[Angelo]

I find the prospect of abortion not only being legal but also normalised and socially acceptable as the death knell of any morality in society.

To see SF then parading this as some sort of victory is a major insult to a big base of their long term voting core.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Whatever your views on the rights & wrongs of abortion, saying that it is not human life until it is born (and has a birth certificate) is stretching the narrative into the "mental as fcuk" realms.

The disputed phrase was 'a human'.

If it's not a human.... what is it??

A foetus. Potentially human.

Theres nothing potential about any stage of the human lifecycle they have been a human since conception.

Is that science or Catholic theology?

I love the fact 'science' is invoked to exactly match what the church settled on, having allowed abortion for over a thousand years,  with zero backup.

This is why you list last year. Total gobbeldygook

You and Eamonn seem to be the only ones mentioning Catholicism
If your against anything they're for, at least admit to it.

Dont take my word on the science at all it pretty basic level stuff children learn about it at 3-6 years old, we havent even got into unique DNA or anything else.
But at least look into it yourself and be open minded to your opinion when exploring the facts.
Let the facts form your opinion not the other way around I mean that genuinely

Its quite the coincidence that the antis here are using theological phrases and passing them off as science and claiming unanimity.

Science is not even almost united and certainly not around your position derived from a middle eastern moral code.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml