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[Gmac]

Nothing will come of bright if you are going against the policy of the current administration you work for you are lucky to be transferred but mostly fired ask Michael Flynn .

Michael Flynn didn't go against the policy of the Trump regime in any way, he was carrying it out. He resigned, he wasn't fired. He was specifically put into the position he was in, where he had access to literally every piece of intelligence available to the US, precisely because he's a foreign agent. He was brought in specifically to undermine US national security. And Trump is only gagging to bring him back into the cabinet.

So, when are we going to see the transcripts of all Flynn's conversations with Kislyak?

obama fired him because of his differences over Middle East policy , giving billions to Iran
Arab spring, isis jv team etc

Read your own first post in this exchange before making a tit of yourself.

Michael Flynn resigned.

i said if you go against the administrations policy you work for you get whacked like Flynn did in 2014 when he was director of the defense intelligence agency in the Obama administration.

[sid waddell]

Nothing will come of bright if you are going against the policy of the current administration you work for you are lucky to be transferred but mostly fired ask Michael Flynn .

Michael Flynn didn't go against the policy of the Trump regime in any way, he was carrying it out. He resigned, he wasn't fired. He was specifically put into the position he was in, where he had access to literally every piece of intelligence available to the US, precisely because he's a foreign agent. He was brought in specifically to undermine US national security. And Trump is only gagging to bring him back into the cabinet.

So, when are we going to see the transcripts of all Flynn's conversations with Kislyak?

obama fired him because of his differences over Middle East policy , giving billions to Iran
Arab spring, isis jv team etc

Read your own first post in this exchange before making a tit of yourself.

Michael Flynn resigned.

i said if you go against the administrations policy you work for you get whacked like Flynn did in 2014 when he was director of the defense intelligence agency in the Obama administration.

He resigned then too, he was useless at his job.

[J70]

You don't think there's a legitimate reason (assuming your assertion is correct) that the majority of the media, including many conservatives, are anti-Trump?

DeSantis and Kemp chanced their arm, going against the public health expertise. Circumstances may mean they'll get away with it (time will tell), but there was hardly much design to their strategies. One does wonder though what influence all those spring breakers had on infections elsewhere? And both administration have had accusations leveled at them in the past week for fixing the numbers.

And in case you'd forgotten, Trump himself condemned Kemp.

Cuomo is getting plenty of criticism for the nursing home issue and expecting them to take and adequately care for COVID-infected residents. Their motivation was a desire to preserve hospital space in light of the dire predictions (coming from the Feds BTW) at the time, but their directive was obviously extremely problematic in retrospect. Its a significant black mark against an otherwise mature and competent performance on Cuomo's part.

two of trumps policies he was running on last time have  shown to be crucial in the pandemic having strong tight border control and trying to get away from relying on China for most everything we consume and need , they are very simple messages but I don't think anyone would disagree with them now .
On couple of other things Georgia is doing good and seems to be out of the woods , Texas has lowest hospitalization since early April and the data lady in Florida is turning out to be just what I said a disgruntled insubordinate worker .
Mr bright also seems to be a disgruntled worker and he has gone to the back burner which is a sign he had no dirt to tell , on a positive note for bright he was transferred not fired and is still on his 295k salary so don't feel too sorry for him .

We'll see how much people start disagreeing with Chinese manufacturing when the price of everything starts to increase. There's a reason all those jobs left the west, simple capitalism and consumption.

As for borders, give me a break. The major source of the outbreak in NYC was Europe. Are you saying Trump is going to start restricting ALL travel into the US forever? Because diseases as easily transmissible and infectious as COVID-19 are going to be circulating way before anyone knows about it.

As for Richard Bright... er.... he testified before Congress a few days ago; he was on 60 minutes on Sunday night (promoting a petulant tweet storm from you know who) and is in the midst of a major and public whistleblower investigation into his allegation that he was retaliated against and demoted.  How is he "on the back burner"?

Georgia very much remains to be seen. Hopefully for us all they do get lucky. Doesn't make Kemp any less reckless or ill-informed.

The Florida lady - also remains to be seen. I see DeSantis laying into her today.

I said have a tight secure border nothing about travel.
Nothing will come of bright if you are going against the policy of the current administration you work for you are lucky to be transferred but mostly fired ask Michael Flynn .

1. You said "strong tight border control" has been shown to be crucial by the pandemic. Travel is absolutely a huge component of border control. JFK Airport is as much a part of the US international border as the Rio Grande. In the case of COVID, a much more important part as it happens. How many COVID cases have been traced to either of the US land borders? Trump's wall is pretty much irrelevant to this outbreak.

2. On Bright, the soundness of said policy and the integrity of the administration doesn't mean anything?

You think its ok that a man of good reputation was demoted because he had the integrity, professionalism and concern about the public good NOT to toe the political line on an poorly supported, reckless policy position? There was no grey area in this in which reasonable men could disagree. What Trump was pushing was pure bullshit and made a political issue of something that should never have been politicized i.e. trials of a clinical drug.

[J70]

The Democrats' real fear is that people will vote their pocketbooks. Under Mr. Trump, working-class minorities in particular have experienced generational lows in unemployment and seen their wages grow at a faster clip than their supervisors'. The Wall Street Journal reported Monday that a new survey suggests the president is "making headway with select groups of Americans who disapprove of his job performance but are willing to credit him for a bustling economy, revealing a block of voters that his re-election campaign is likely to target in the coming months." That frightens Democrats far more than any supposed "voter suppression" effort by their opponents.

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Can you point to where in the unemployment curve the Trump policies kicked in for African Americans?


https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-remains-at-near-historic-low-of-3-7-percent-african-american-unemployment-rate-hits-new-series-low/

Or any group for that matter?


https://www.rsfjournal.org/content/5/5/198

[omochain]

Omo-I asked him a direct question which he won't answer about Voter suppression and his lackey Eamonn is claiming it's not a valid question

Having lived her for 30 years....voter suppression is the same as voter fraud.....non existent

I have lived here for 37 years .. voter suppression has been present constantly.. particularly in the south east.. the confederacy.. the place where racism is more overt.
Whitey .. why do you and that other fraud from Queen's country never answer my posts.

[Gmac]

Omo-I asked him a direct question which he won't answer about Voter suppression and his lackey Eamonn is claiming it's not a valid question

Having lived her for 30 years....voter suppression is the same as voter fraud.....non existent

I have lived here for 37 years .. voter suppression has been present constantly.. particularly in the south east.. the confederacy.. the place where racism is more overt.
Whitey .. why do you and that other fraud from Queen's country never answer my posts.

relax, are the Pinocchio's  talking to you .

[omochain]

Still awaiting to hear about those San Francisco policies that are coming back to haunt us.

[whitey]

Omo-I asked him a direct question which he won't answer about Voter suppression and his lackey Eamonn is claiming it's not a valid question

Having lived her for 30 years....voter suppression is the same as voter fraud.....non existent

I have lived here for 37 years .. voter suppression has been present constantly.. particularly in the south east.. the confederacy.. the place where racism is more overt.
Whitey .. why do you and that other fraud from Queen's country never answer my posts.

It's just like the Russia Hoax.....Democrats just cannot accept that they lost


The Voter Suppression Myth
Minority turnout surged in 2018, notably in Georgia and Florida.

By The Editorial Board
May 3, 2019 5:54 pm ET
Voters form long lines at Ousey United Methodist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, Nov. 6, 2018.
Voters form long lines at Ousey United Methodist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, Nov. 6, 2018.
PHOTO: MIGUEL JUAREZ LUGO/ZUMA PRESS

Democrats accuse Republicans of suppressing the minority vote with laws to ensure ballot integrity. But then how do they explain record minority turnout last November? If Republicans were trying to stop minorities from voting, their schemes were inept.

The number of Latino voters nearly doubled in last year's midterms compared to 2014 and came close to presidential year levels, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of new Census Bureau data. The share of blacks who voted climbed 10.8 percentage points to 51.4%, which was similar to the increase in white turnout (11.7 points).

Whites made up 72.8% of the national electorate, down from 76.3% in 2014. The minority turnout surge benefited Democrats who picked up 40 House seats, seven governorships and six legislative chambers. But Democrats still blame their defeats in the Florida and Georgia gubernatorial races on voter suppression. Census data show otherwise.

Georgia law requires voters be removed from the rolls if they haven't cast a ballot in seven years and don't respond to an inquiry in the mail to confirm their address. Another law requires voter information in registration applications to mirror information on file at the Georgia Department of Driver Services and Social Security Administration.

About 1.4 million voters were removed from Georgia's rolls after 2012. Yet black voter registration increased to 68.4% last year from 62.3% in 2014. White voter registration increased by a mere 0.7 percentage points to 66.8%. Pruning the rolls also didn't reduce black turnout. Nearly 60% of blacks voted last fall—up from 43% in 2014—compared to 56% of whites.

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Like Democrat Stacey Abrams in Georgia, Florida Democrat Andrew Gillum blamed his loss for the governorship on GOP voter intimidation. "Voter disenfranchisement doesn't just show up when you put dogs on people or water hoses, or block entrances, that's not the only form of voter disenfranchisement," Mr. Gillum told a Baptist church a week after the election.

Yet black turnout increased to 47.2% from 44% in 2014, though there was a bigger jump among Hispanics (eight percentage points) and whites (10 percentage points). According to exit polls, Mr. Gillum underperformed former Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson among black women by nine points, perhaps because of his vocal opposition to school choice. This may have cost him the election.

Democrats also claim that reducing early voting discriminates against minorities, but Hispanics were as likely as whites to cast early ballots last fall. Blacks were most likely to vote on Election Day. Higher incomes and education levels were associated with early voting. So was age. Limiting early voting inconveniences folks who are more likely to be Republican.

There's also no evidence that voter ID requirements suppressed minority turnout. After the 2016 election, Missouri and Iowa adopted such laws to prevent voter fraud. Black turnout increased in both including by a stunning 21 percentage points in Iowa.

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Democrats howl about voter suppression to portray Republicans as racist to stoke minority turnout for Democrats. It's a divisive form of politics. Their losses in Florida and Georgia suggest that inflaming racial resentment may turn off voters they need to win.

[RedHand88]

Remarkable that people in the world have an issue with ID requirements for voting. It should be the law everywhere to prevent voter fraud.

[J70]

All those two pieces show (if their data is true) whitey is that any alleged attempts at voter suppression in those cases failed, at least when it came to reducing turnout.

One example - why were the GOP so determined to shut down Sunday voting in some southern states early in the last decade? It wasn't a direct assault on black voters and their "souls to the polls" drives? That the Dems fought back successfully against these moves in some cases doesn't mean that they weren't trying.

Why use a sledge hammer instead of a scalpel with voter purges? Plenty of accounts of large proportions of minority voters getting wrongly disenfranchised through this.

I have no issue with voter IDs, as long as they make sure anyone who wants to get one can get it, even if they're poor and can't afford it. But why are some IDs ok, and others not? Why is a gun license fine, but a college ID not? Nothing to do with the likely political leanings of the holders?

[J70]

Q-Anon appears to be gaining ground in the GOP.

Their candidate for the US Senate this year in Oregon is an sympathizer. She won the primary by almost 20 points.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/20/21264925/jo-rae-perkins-qanon-us-senate-oregon

Of course she's trying to run away from her comments now, albeit reluctantly; she has released a statement comparing Q-Anon to Bill Gates and George Soros!

https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1263475876408307712

Anit-vaxxer too.

[Eamonnca1]

Remarkable that people in the world have an issue with ID requirements for voting. It should be the law everywhere to prevent voter fraud.

"Voter fraud" is an almost nonexistent problem. Voter suppression is by far the bigger problem. It's got nothing to do with electoral integrity and everything to do with insisting that black and minority voters have to produce IDs that are made all but impossible for them to obtain.

[Gmac]

Remarkable that people in the world have an issue with ID requirements for voting. It should be the law everywhere to prevent voter fraud.

"Voter fraud" is an almost nonexistent problem. Voter suppression is by far the bigger problem. It's got nothing to do with electoral integrity and everything to do with insisting that black and minority voters have to produce IDs that are made all but impossible for them to obtain.

why is it impossible to get an Id card

[Gabriel_Hurl]

And Biden is the senile one - https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1263524876658360326?s=19

[J70]

Steve Schmidt's comment in that thread:

https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1263099694697320453

Hadn't ever thought of that.

In fairness, there are a lot of presidents whose administrations are not remembered fondly and some who are barely remembered at all (Trump will NOT feature in THAT category!), but who knows? It depends on who the president is. Someone else with autocratic, demagogic, populist, conspiratorial leanings may well revere a man like Trump.