The Many Faces of US Politics...

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Itchy

Quote from: J70 on September 02, 2024, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2024, 12:24:18 PMPerhaps genocide supporting democrats should consider this...

https://x.com/SocialistMMA/status/1830032252023300162?t=pieRA3Vw8NSFR4bmpAMyAQ&s=19

Dems are well aware of this and the impact it could have in a state like Michigan.

That impact means you might get your wish with a Trump victory, because that's the only alternative outcome available.

That outcome will be even worse for the Palestinians, and according to his plans, a lot of other people too, including the following:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-massive-deportation-plan-echoes-concentration-camp-history/

And those signs are real. You can buy the tshirt too.


You are living in yank land too long. Why dont you show me where I wished for a Trump victory. Either that or withdraw that.

btw Trump said he'd build a wall, he said it every day of his previous campaign. He says whatever he thinks stupid americans want to hear so they will vote for him. You'd have to be pretty stupid to take anything he says at face value.

J70

I'll withdraw it when you withdraw the "genocide lovers" horseshit. How about that?

And Trump will push the deportation thing as far as he can, which could be very far the way the US courts are going these days. And court protections matter for far more than just undocumented immigrants. Trump has other targets too. Voting against him matters.

But mainly, I'm just illustrating the point that there is a lot more at stake here than just the Palestinians, easy and all as it is throw around inflammatory accusations on an Internet forum.

Itchy

You think the issue of Palestinians being the victims of a genocide funded by your tax dollars is just some election issue with equal weight to other elections issues like the cost of living. I think that the Genocide of an innocent people paid for, supported by and ignored by the west is the measure of mankind itself and the point of no return for western civilization. It is a disgrace, it is evil. To do nothing only poo poo it is also evil. We are in 1938 Germany again and doing the same thing again. Absolutely horrendous.

RadioGAAGAA

Just to throw out a thought for some to mull over. What if Harris either candidate (in the interests of fairness) cannot say much about what they actually wants to do in middle east without ruining their chances of winning the vote?

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RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 01:43:48 PMYou are living in yank land too long. Why dont you show me where I wished for a Trump victory. Either that or withdraw that.


You must be living in dumb f__k land if you keep insisting people should not vote for Harris without realising it will only mean a Trump victory.
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PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 08:17:02 PMJust to throw out a thought for some to mull over. What if Harris either candidate (in the interests of fairness) cannot say much about what they actually wants to do in middle east without ruining their chances of winning the vote?


say they are happy to support a genocide to get elected but really they aren't happy to support a genocide... fanciful at best and not something I could ever support even if true.

As for not voting for Harris will get trump elected, that's on Harris and Democrats policy... the blame is solely on them not on the voter who chooses to vote for someone not supporting a genocide regardless of their chance of winning.. 

if Trump does win maybe the democrats will learn from it. If Harris wins let's hope your fanciful scenario becomes a reality.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2024, 08:36:39 PMAs for not voting for Harris will get trump elected, that's on Harris and Democrats policy

You do understand that if someone decides to stay at home and not vote for Harris, then that is effectively +1 to Trump.

If that same person decides to vote for Donald, that is a swing of +2 to Trump?


So yourself and Itchy advocating for either staying away or wasting a vote is by proxy supporting the election of Donald Trump.

Maybe you can't wrap your head around it. Maybe you refuse to admit it in your mind. Either way, its what your both doing.
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PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2024, 08:36:39 PMAs for not voting for Harris will get trump elected, that's on Harris and Democrats policy

You do understand that if someone decides to stay at home and not vote for Harris, then that is effectively +1 to Trump.

If that same person decides to vote for Donald, that is a swing of +2 to Trump?


So yourself and Itchy advocating for either staying away or wasting a vote is by proxy supporting the election of Donald Trump.

Maybe you can't wrap your head around it. Maybe you refuse to admit it in your mind. Either way, its what your both doing.

you are assuming that it's a Democrat not voting for Harris there!!!

maybe you can see voting for Harris is supporting genocide and voting for Trump is voting genocide and no one should be voting for genocide...

you can try and ignore that, I wouldn't and again it's not the voters fault that the democrats are supporting a genocide so by proxy (if you like) they are supporting the election of Trump by being genociders.

Itchy

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2024, 08:36:39 PMAs for not voting for Harris will get trump elected, that's on Harris and Democrats policy

You do understand that if someone decides to stay at home and not vote for Harris, then that is effectively +1 to Trump.

If that same person decides to vote for Donald, that is a swing of +2 to Trump?


So yourself and Itchy advocating for either staying away or wasting a vote is by proxy supporting the election of Donald Trump.

Maybe you can't wrap your head around it. Maybe you refuse to admit it in your mind. Either way, its what your both doing.

America think this is a democracy. So if you support green policies and you've a green Councillor in your area you would check polls and if he has no hope you will not vote green and if you do its a wasted vote. Utter utter bullshit and f**king shame on any clown who wastes their democratic vote like that.

It's like something a Healy Rae would come out with.

whitey

The reality of the American voting system is that unless you live in one of 7 or eight battleground states your vote essentially doesn't matter

J70 staying home in November or voting for Jill Stein means nothing because Harris should and will beat Trump by about 50 points in New York

Similarly if I vote for Trump in MA (which I'm not going to do) it's meaningless because he's going to lose here by about 50 points

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 09:28:34 PMAmerica think this is a democracy. So if you support green policies and you've a green Councillor in your area you would check polls and if he has no hope you will not vote green and if you do its a wasted vote. Utter utter bullshit and f**king shame on any clown who wastes their democratic vote like that.

It's like something a Healy Rae would come out with.

blah blah blah blah. Not one word of what I said registered did it? So back to repeating your point ad-nauseum.

In reality, it *is* a binary choice in this US presidential election. Like it or lump it - that's what it is.

Maybe at some point in the past it wasn't. Maybe at some point in the future it won't be. But, right now, it is.


So your choices are:
- Hold your nose, accept the kow-towing of Democrats to Israeli hawks, and vote for the one that definitely will not let Putin perform ethnic cleansing in Ukraine with the hope their position on Israel hardens after the election.
- Vote for Trump, ensuring Israel definitely aren't squeezed and also probably ensuring Putin gets to take over all or most of Ukraine, with the resulting displacement or death of hundreds of thousands if not millions.
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Itchy

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 09:28:34 PMAmerica think this is a democracy. So if you support green policies and you've a green Councillor in your area you would check polls and if he has no hope you will not vote green and if you do its a wasted vote. Utter utter bullshit and f**king shame on any clown who wastes their democratic vote like that.

It's like something a Healy Rae would come out with.

blah blah blah blah. Not one word of what I said registered did it? So back to repeating your point ad-nauseum.

In reality, it *is* a binary choice in this US presidential election. Like it or lump it - that's what it is.

Maybe at some point in the past it wasn't. Maybe at some point in the future it won't be. But, right now, it is.


So your choices are:
- Hold your nose, accept the kow-towing of Democrats to Israeli hawks, and vote for the one that definitely will not let Putin perform ethnic cleansing in Ukraine with the hope their position on Israel hardens after the election.
- Vote for Trump, ensuring Israel definitely aren't squeezed and also probably ensuring Putin gets to take over all or most of Ukraine, with the resulting displacement or death of hundreds of thousands if not millions.

3rd choice, spoil your vote and register your displeasure at both candidates. Didn't a section of Democrats to this already recently?

I don't care what your predictions are for the winner of the turd election nor your end of the world prediction for the orange Turd winning.

Father Murphy

Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 09:28:34 PMAmerica think this is a democracy. So if you support green policies and you've a green Councillor in your area you would check polls and if he has no hope you will not vote green and if you do its a wasted vote. Utter utter bullshit and f**king shame on any clown who wastes their democratic vote like that.

It's like something a Healy Rae would come out with.

blah blah blah blah. Not one word of what I said registered did it? So back to repeating your point ad-nauseum.

In reality, it *is* a binary choice in this US presidential election. Like it or lump it - that's what it is.

Maybe at some point in the past it wasn't. Maybe at some point in the future it won't be. But, right now, it is.


So your choices are:
- Hold your nose, accept the kow-towing of Democrats to Israeli hawks, and vote for the one that definitely will not let Putin perform ethnic cleansing in Ukraine with the hope their position on Israel hardens after the election.
- Vote for Trump, ensuring Israel definitely aren't squeezed and also probably ensuring Putin gets to take over all or most of Ukraine, with the resulting displacement or death of hundreds of thousands if not millions.

3rd choice, spoil your vote and register your displeasure at both candidates. Didn't a section of Democrats to this already recently?

I don't care what your predictions are for the winner of the turd election nor your end of the world prediction for the orange Turd winning.

Speak to any Ukrainian and they'll tell you they are absolutely terrified of a Trump victory but Itchy doesn't care a jot.

Only Palestine matters apparently, dead Ukrainians like the 14yo girl that had her head blown off sitting on a park bench yesterday in Kharkiv do not.

Itchy

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Quote from: Father Murphy on September 02, 2024, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2024, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 09:28:34 PMAmerica think this is a democracy. So if you support green policies and you've a green Councillor in your area you would check polls and if he has no hope you will not vote green and if you do its a wasted vote. Utter utter bullshit and f**king shame on any clown who wastes their democratic vote like that.

It's like something a Healy Rae would come out with.

blah blah blah blah. Not one word of what I said registered did it? So back to repeating your point ad-nauseum.

In reality, it *is* a binary choice in this US presidential election. Like it or lump it - that's what it is.

Maybe at some point in the past it wasn't. Maybe at some point in the future it won't be. But, right now, it is.


So your choices are:
- Hold your nose, accept the kow-towing of Democrats to Israeli hawks, and vote for the one that definitely will not let Putin perform ethnic cleansing in Ukraine with the hope their position on Israel hardens after the election.
- Vote for Trump, ensuring Israel definitely aren't squeezed and also probably ensuring Putin gets to take over all or most of Ukraine, with the resulting displacement or death of hundreds of thousands if not millions.

3rd choice, spoil your vote and register your displeasure at both candidates. Didn't a section of Democrats to this already recently?

I don't care what your predictions are for the winner of the turd election nor your end of the world prediction for the orange Turd winning.

Speak to any Ukrainian and they'll tell you they are absolutely terrified of a Trump victory but Itchy doesn't care a jot.

Only Palestine matters apparently, dead Ukrainians like the 14yo girl that had her head blown off sitting on a park bench yesterday in Kharkiv do not.

What you talking about ya f**king moron.

And I would wager I've personally done more to make Ukrainians welcome and integrated on this country than a fuckin p***k like you ever would.

I'm sorry if I wouldn't vote for a genocide supporting turd like Harris but I'm sure plenty of plastic paddy's will and disgrace themselves.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 02, 2024, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2024, 12:24:18 PMPerhaps genocide supporting democrats should consider this...

https://x.com/SocialistMMA/status/1830032252023300162?t=pieRA3Vw8NSFR4bmpAMyAQ&s=19

Dems are well aware of this and the impact it could have in a state like Michigan.

That impact means you might get your wish with a Trump victory, because that's the only alternative outcome available.

That outcome will be even worse for the Palestinians, and according to his plans, a lot of other people too, including the following:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-massive-deportation-plan-echoes-concentration-camp-history/

And those signs are real. You can buy the tshirt too.


You are living in yank land too long. Why dont you show me where I wished for a Trump victory. Either that or withdraw that.

btw Trump said he'd build a wall, he said it every day of his previous campaign. He says whatever he thinks stupid americans want to hear so they will vote for him. You'd have to be pretty stupid to take anything he says at face value.

By calling for people not to vote for the Democratic candidate, you're calling for a Trump win.