The Many Faces of US Politics...

[T24]

Anybody who thinks letting Trump back into the White House will be good for the Palestinians needs to see a doctor.

No one said that. I said it makes no difference.

So why single out Harris for all the criticism while keeping schtum about Trump?

Cos no one on here is backing Trump.  We all know what a utter cnut he is.

are you voting in November ? if no don't get so worked up you

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

[trueblue1234]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

In your simplistic perspective and spin, yes.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

I dont care if a party or candidate cut all my taxes or even gave me free money. I would not vote for a someone or a party that is arming a genocide.. 

[trueblue1234]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

I dont care if a party or candidate cut all my taxes or even gave me free money. I would not vote for a someone or a party that is arming a genocide.. 

So as a principle, you'd allow a worse option in? Far enough, but I don't think that's the best option for Palestine imo. In fact the opposite.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

In your simplistic perspective and spin, yes.

It is very simple alright, you are financing and supporting someone who is happy to support a genocide of Palestinians but there is no Spin.

it's actually worst than that, she and Biden could stop the genocide and they choose not too and you are contributing financially to that party.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

I dont care if a party or candidate cut all my taxes or even gave me free money. I would not vote for a someone or a party that is arming a genocide.. 

So as a principle, you'd allow a worse option in? Far enough, but I don't think that's the best option for Palestine imo. In fact the opposite.

I wouldn't  allow either in. Both support arming the genocide, they are equally are terrible as each other.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

In your simplistic perspective and spin, yes.

It is very simple alright, you are financing and supporting someone who is happy to support a genocide of Palestinians but there is no Spin.

it's actually worst than that, she and Biden could stop the genocide and they choose not too and you are contributing financially to that party.

The spin is in how you present the genocide as the only issue pertinent to my contributions and vote.

[J70]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

I dont care if a party or candidate cut all my taxes or even gave me free money. I would not vote for a someone or a party that is arming a genocide.. 

So as a principle, you'd allow a worse option in? Far enough, but I don't think that's the best option for Palestine imo. In fact the opposite.

I wouldn't  allow either in. Both support arming the genocide, they are equally are terrible as each other.

You wouldn't allow either in?

Good luck with that.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

In your simplistic perspective and spin, yes.

It is very simple alright, you are financing and supporting someone who is happy to support a genocide of Palestinians but there is no Spin.

it's actually worst than that, she and Biden could stop the genocide and they choose not too and you are contributing financially to that party.

The spin is in how you present the genocide as the only issue pertinent to my contributions and vote.

you'd think it would be the most important issue, Harris supports and is and will arm the murder of thousands of innocent  people!!!

 

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

no, they should not be voting for or supporting people who support and arm a genocide.

Look I think little of Biden, and Harris feels like a similar puppet. But the reality is that it's a 2 horse race. And not voting or voting for outside the top 2 is a guaranteed wasted vote. Therefore imo if your basing your vote solely on the Genocide in Palestine, would you not be obligated to vote for the least worst option. Even if you didn't fully support the candidate? Surely that would be the best thing to do? And while I Agree the democrats have failed badly in Palestine, I 100% think Trump would have been worse. All be it marginally.
And that's my opinion from afar, without any inside track on US politics.

I dont care if a party or candidate cut all my taxes or even gave me free money. I would not vote for a someone or a party that is arming a genocide.. 

So as a principle, you'd allow a worse option in? Far enough, but I don't think that's the best option for Palestine imo. In fact the opposite.

I wouldn't  allow either in. Both support arming the genocide, they are equally are terrible as each other.

You wouldn't allow either in?

Good luck with that.

I dont have a vote, if I did I wouldn't vote either. I would not be responsible for either of them getting elected.. the people who vote for them get them elected, no one else.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

Not as much as it is in Ireland, no, where sympathy towards Palestine is a mainstream position.

Trump is unlikely to win NY, but I'd still be reluctant to take that risk and, given that he is even worse on Gaza, other issues are also extremely important to me in voting against him (taxes is not one of them).

If I was living out west in the deep red state my wife is from, my vote against Trump would definitely be completely irrelevant and I'd be freer to register a wasted protest vote on a single issue.

However, even if I did throw away that vote (and it would be wasted at this moment in time)  I would still be contributing cash to Harris and hoping for a Dem victory.

so it is an option but you choose not only to vote for but to finance a supporter of arming the genocide of Palestinians.

In your simplistic perspective and spin, yes.

It is very simple alright, you are financing and supporting someone who is happy to support a genocide of Palestinians but there is no Spin.

it's actually worst than that, she and Biden could stop the genocide and they choose not too and you are contributing financially to that party.

The spin is in how you present the genocide as the only issue pertinent to my contributions and vote.

you'd think it would be the most important issue, Harris supports and is and will arm the murder of thousands of innocent  people!!!

 

Once again, given that her opponent is even worse, she is the better alternative and at least will fight for the Palestinians way more than Trump will in deciding the future. So on the balance, other issues such as Trump's authoritarian tendencies and his support of the movement of the US in an anti-democratic, christian nationalist direction matter just as much to me in choosing who to support.

If you wouldn't vote, that's your choice, but you would then surrender any right to complaint about what Trump would bring on.