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Shane Walsh of Galway gave his views on the new rules talking to rte
 "The hand pass rule seems just a bit daft with three. Youíve gone from a record number of hand passes in a game to three hand passes consecutively. I think thatís a bit of an extreme jump.

"If the ball can be moved forward quickly, move it forward quickly It's not a case of we have to count this hand-pass and use the three and then kick. Just play the game as you see it.

"If the attacking mark goes through, you will look to play to playersí strengths.

"Youíre probably going to see a few big lads youíve never seen before play football inside in the full-forward line. I think it brings a bit of excitement Ė youíre showing the art of catching and kicking, which is a huge part of what Gaelic football  is about.

"So I think that would be huge if they implement that one. But does it slow up the game? Will teams use the time advantage to kill off games? Itís 15 seconds, thatís probably something that trial and error will work out. I donít know. For us, having the likes of Damo [Comer] inside, it would be something youíd like to use." :)
I notice he didn't mention the sin bin this has to be a must one of the more positive proposals"


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I too would be a supporter of the forward mark,Michael Murphy,Aidan o shea in around the forward line,soaring for high ball.it did not work too well for Jason Doherty's in the fbd last Sunday, he caught a high ball was in on goal but was called back for a mark.it can be tweaked though.
Shane Walsh of Galway gave his views on the new rules talking to rte
 "The hand pass rule seems just a bit daft with three. Youíve gone from a record number of hand passes in a game to three hand passes consecutively. I think thatís a bit of an extreme jump.

"If the ball can be moved forward quickly, move it forward quickly It's not a case of we have to count this hand-pass and use the three and then kick. Just play the game as you see it.

"If the attacking mark goes through, you will look to play to playersí strengths.

"Youíre probably going to see a few big lads youíve never seen before play football inside in the full-forward line. I think it brings a bit of excitement Ė youíre showing the art of catching and kicking, which is a huge part of what Gaelic football  is about.

"So I think that would be huge if they implement that one. But does it slow up the game? Will teams use the time advantage to kill off games? Itís 15 seconds, thatís probably something that trial and error will work out. I donít know. For us, having the likes of Damo [Comer] inside, it would be something youíd like to use." :)
I notice he didn't mention the sin bin this has to be a must one of the more positive proposals"


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I too would be a supporter of the forward mark,Michael Murphy,Aidan o shea in around the forward line,soaring for high ball.it did not work too well for Jason Doherty's in the fbd last Sunday, he caught a high ball was in on goal but was called back for a mark.it can be tweaked though.

so is the mark compulsory if the ball I scaught or is there an option to play on?

You can play on

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So some managers and coaches should be listened to? Could you supply two lists so that we know how navigate the discussion?

 I feel like I'm a teacher in baby infants with you., If all these managers today are universally against the rule why did the vast majority of them not get involved when invited to in the formative period when rules were being developed? Some rules were tweaked in the early stages. Now same managers just expect them to be dumped and Declan Bonner for example heaped insult on those who came up with the rules. That is the point I'm asking the likes of you to comment on.

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http://pca.st/0Xj8

off the ball podcast, 40 odd mins in Brian Cuthbert, Cork manager, chats about the rules. He was on the standing committee that introduced them. For those who are rubbishing the rules I strongly suggest you at least listen to him. Then ask yourself why only 12 of the 32 managers surveyed bothered to reply.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Club mass
« on: January 14, 2019, 08:43:28 PM »
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.

Here, whatís the deal with paying for such masses? Isnít it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?

No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about  waiving the entrance fee for matches

The money goes to the priest in most cases.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Club mass
« on: January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM »
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.

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If there are people who see a net long term positive effect on either the aesthetics or playing enjoyment of limiting the chained number of handpasses then, for me, they should be disqualified from meaningful discussion about how we actually take a serious look at evolving the game. Essentially those that came up with it and those who support it should be patted on the head and told to sit in the stand.

Similarly the forward sideline contributes nothing positive but there are more and more people saying sure what harm just to say something conciliatory against a morbid handpass discussion backdrop.

The kick out experiment really changes nothing but it highlights the lack of foresight of the Rules crew. They had a "radical" vision for the kick out, were told to wise up and came back with two separate versions before simply moving where keepers kick the ball from to save face in maintaining the facade that they still had a kick out rule experiment. Alarm bells should have been ringing early based on this alone.

Personally i'd be happy that the Sin bin is a better solution to BC offenses (which need reviewed) and that there is a version of the offensive mark that can help the game. Carefully reviewed versions of these and the kick out position change should be trialed during Higher Education and Colleges leagues in the autumn.

Great idea, disqualify anyone from discussion who doesn't agree with you.

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Anyone know if eir sport is available on Virgin?

Its available on an IPTV box ;) If you want to know more drop me a PM

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About time RTE did something useful on GAA in the league. Lets hope the highlights show gives us highlights and not Pat and Joe talking shite for 3/4 of it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2019
« on: January 10, 2019, 01:37:02 PM »
Is there tables somewhere for how the groups finished?

https://billhillwicklow.com/dr-mckenna-cup-2019/

Cheers, thats a useful website since it seems to be too much effort for the GAA to provide such a service

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Had my first look at the new rules in a properly competitive match tonight in Armagh. The kick out and sideline didn't seem much different and I don't think there was an offensive mark. The sin bin may be easier on the player black carded but the team does suffer a bigger punishment. Sadly I am going to have to go with majority and say if the 3 hand pass rule makes it into a championship match in future referees lives are going to get even tougher. Cassidy missed a couple of 4 hand passes and on one of these Armagh scored a point - and they only won by a point. Imagine the controversy if that happened in a big championship game.

Like I said earlier, I would support the dropping of counting handpasses in the opposition half which would stop a lot of the controversy on scores.

If a 4th hand pass is made backwards from the opposition half into your half does that count?
I just think its unworkable. Furthermore the GAA know it is unworkable. What they have done (rather cleverly) is to trial this rule to show up the lack of intelligence of people calling for this and other rule changes, thereby hopefully silencing this vocal minuscule minority of part time, bandwagon fans for a generation.

There is a community in the US known as the Amish. They too are stuck in the past and resist change at all costs. You should check it out and see if you can join. I believe they are playing 30 a side GAA matches which run across multiple meadows in the different parishes. They also use the game for a bit of faction fighting which is the main attraction in truth. There are never more than 3 scores in a game. The ball weighs 3 stone and everybody has a mustache and a cap.

The Amish have beards, not no moustaches  :P

You are right, there was a motion to bring in mustaches last year and it was defeated as Mickey Harte and Rory Gallagher hate them.
That probably explains this then.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone/mickey-harte-loses-two-of-tyrone-backroom-lieutenants-30489204.html

QED

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GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2019
« on: January 10, 2019, 11:04:52 AM »
Is there tables somewhere for how the groups finished?

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Had my first look at the new rules in a properly competitive match tonight in Armagh. The kick out and sideline didn't seem much different and I don't think there was an offensive mark. The sin bin may be easier on the player black carded but the team does suffer a bigger punishment. Sadly I am going to have to go with majority and say if the 3 hand pass rule makes it into a championship match in future referees lives are going to get even tougher. Cassidy missed a couple of 4 hand passes and on one of these Armagh scored a point - and they only won by a point. Imagine the controversy if that happened in a big championship game.

Like I said earlier, I would support the dropping of counting handpasses in the opposition half which would stop a lot of the controversy on scores.

If a 4th hand pass is made backwards from the opposition half into your half does that count?
I just think its unworkable. Furthermore the GAA know it is unworkable. What they have done (rather cleverly) is to trial this rule to show up the lack of intelligence of people calling for this and other rule changes, thereby hopefully silencing this vocal minuscule minority of part time, bandwagon fans for a generation.

There is a community in the US known as the Amish. They too are stuck in the past and resist change at all costs. You should check it out and see if you can join. I believe they are playing 30 a side GAA matches which run across multiple meadows in the different parishes. They also use the game for a bit of faction fighting which is the main attraction in truth. There are never more than 3 scores in a game. The ball weighs 3 stone and everybody has a mustache and a cap.

The Amish have beards, not no moustaches  :P

You are right, there was a motion to bring in mustaches last year and it was defeated as Mickey Harte and Rory Gallagher hate them.

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Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
« on: January 10, 2019, 09:23:34 AM »
Down to earth with a bump last night. Phillips very silly getting sent off inside 5 minutes against a pretty strong Donegal team. Didnt get to it but heard Conor Madden showed well which is a plus. I am worried about going into the national league with this team though. I wonder where we are on injuries to the likes of McVetty, Clarke, Smith, Gearoid etc. Hard to see us getting something in Galway without those players.

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Had my first look at the new rules in a properly competitive match tonight in Armagh. The kick out and sideline didn't seem much different and I don't think there was an offensive mark. The sin bin may be easier on the player black carded but the team does suffer a bigger punishment. Sadly I am going to have to go with majority and say if the 3 hand pass rule makes it into a championship match in future referees lives are going to get even tougher. Cassidy missed a couple of 4 hand passes and on one of these Armagh scored a point - and they only won by a point. Imagine the controversy if that happened in a big championship game.

Like I said earlier, I would support the dropping of counting handpasses in the opposition half which would stop a lot of the controversy on scores.

If a 4th hand pass is made backwards from the opposition half into your half does that count?
I just think its unworkable. Furthermore the GAA know it is unworkable. What they have done (rather cleverly) is to trial this rule to show up the lack of intelligence of people calling for this and other rule changes, thereby hopefully silencing this vocal minuscule minority of part time, bandwagon fans for a generation.

There is a community in the US known as the Amish. They too are stuck in the past and resist change at all costs. You should check it out and see if you can join. I believe they are playing 30 a side GAA matches which run across multiple meadows in the different parishes. They also use the game for a bit of faction fighting which is the main attraction in truth. There are never more than 3 scores in a game. The ball weighs 3 stone and everybody has a mustache and a cap.

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Had my first look at the new rules in a properly competitive match tonight in Armagh. The kick out and sideline didn't seem much different and I don't think there was an offensive mark. The sin bin may be easier on the player black carded but the team does suffer a bigger punishment. Sadly I am going to have to go with majority and say if the 3 hand pass rule makes it into a championship match in future referees lives are going to get even tougher. Cassidy missed a couple of 4 hand passes and on one of these Armagh scored a point - and they only won by a point. Imagine the controversy if that happened in a big championship game.

Like I said earlier, I would support the dropping of counting handpasses in the opposition half which would stop a lot of the controversy on scores.

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