Just listened to the audio of Sopel and Humphrys discussing Carrie Gracie's resignation and the fact they should both have their salaries reduced so that there can be parity between genders in the BBC.
Also Ewan MacKenna saying that in a capitalist society sportswomen can't demand to be paid the same as men because male sports bring in more money and that's life.
I know we haven't many women on the board but just wanted to gauge opinion on it.
Personally I have no issue with women getting paid the same as men for the same position or more if they're performing better than their male counterparts. It's not quite as simple as that though unfortunately but would be interesting to hear an alternative view or even employers who have had to face the issue?
It could descend into madness but hopefully not!
Quote from: screenexile on January 13, 2018, 04:05:04 PM
Just listened to the audio of Sopel and Humphrys discussing Carrie Gracie's resignation and the fact they should both have their salaries reduced so that there can be parity between genders in the BBC.
Also Ewan MacKenna saying that in a capitalist society sportswomen can't demand to be paid the same as men because male sports bring in more money and that's life.
I know we haven't many women on the board but just wanted to gauge opinion on it.
Personally I have no issue with women getting paid the same as men for the same position or more if they're performing better than their male counterparts. It's not quite as simple as that though unfortunately but would be interesting to hear an alternative view or even employers who have had to face the issue?
It could descend into madness but hopefully not!
Perhaps you can wear a dress when you're posting to bring up the quota.
Was there no mention in this debate about pay for transgenders/intersex/pansexuals etc?? Theres bound to be some of them at the BBC. Lily savage and the like.
You liberal pc lads f**king love that stuff.
I had a reply typed til I saw the reply. I fear this has descended into mayhem sooner than you anticipated screenexile...
My firm publishes pay gap info - it performs well. The issue isn't the gap for us, more so female representation at more senior levels, which is pretty shocking but representative of the corporate world at present (though changing).
Sports is a special case, given men have demonstrative physical advantages (in most sports, while in motorsport, horse racing, darts and snooker it's much more cloudy) and hence their versions of the same sports are more popular because of that, and plenty of other less simple factors too.
There's no reason in other professions where members of either gender do the exact same jobs should be paid less. I do feel the problem now focuses in a large part on career progression - i.e. in a lot of jobs a woman and a man do start off on the same salary, but the male is still at a significant advantage when it comes to reaching upper and executive level management in companies. The fact a woman has a high likelihood of being on maternity level for months at a time contribute to that, which is both an actual administrative issue and something that is sexist in nature. Few parts of this issue are clean cut.
Tenure is also an issue that isn't brought up enough - when people kicked up a fuss about Sharon Ní Bheoláin. earning significantly less than Bryan Dobson the fact he had been in his job far longer and hence had the opportunity to accrue or negotiate many more salary raises - also contributes to the difference. It's a bit like most social issues - if you're on one side or another you're not likely to be very willing to acknowledge mitigating factors and hence the debate devolves into childish name-calling.
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
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You would be pissed off too.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
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You would be pissed off too.
Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?
A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.
Most people will go to watch a film because Wahlberg is in it. Unfortunately they wouldn't necessarily do the same for a Williams film. Plus, in this case her contract stipulated she had to do reshoots and his didnt. He fulfilled hos obligations and they wanted more; he duly asked to be paid and rightfully so.
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
I had a reply typed til I saw the reply. I fear this has descended into mayhem sooner than you anticipated screenexile...
My firm publishes pay gap info - it performs well. The issue isn't the gap for us, more so female representation at more senior levels, which is pretty shocking but representative of the corporate world at present (though changing).
I hope the wemen that are at the top levels are queer, trans etc and not a one of them is a white privilege hetro! ::)
This thread is a prime example of one where moderation is needed for an adult conversation to take place.
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2018, 05:58:28 PM
This thread is a prime example of one where moderation is needed for an adult conversation to take place.
Maybe just don't post then?
Quote from: screenexile on January 13, 2018, 04:05:04 PM
Just listened to the audio of Sopel and Humphrys discussing Carrie Gracie's resignation and the fact they should both have their salaries reduced so that there can be parity between genders in the BBC.
Also Ewan MacKenna saying that in a capitalist society sportswomen can't demand to be paid the same as men because male sports bring in more money and that's life.
I know we haven't many women on the board but just wanted to gauge opinion on it.
Personally I have no issue with women getting paid the same as men for the same position or more if they're performing better than their male counterparts. It's not quite as simple as that though unfortunately but would be interesting to hear an alternative view or even employers who have had to face the issue?
It could descend into madness but hopefully not!
Things like sport are a special case so I'll exclude those.
For ordinary jobs, pay should be equal for the same experience and level of ability, there's no reason not to pay equally. Enforcing / assessing it may be difficult however.
How to even out the gender gap at top levels is more difficult due to maternity leave and the reduced hours mothers in particular tend to put in after having children.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
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You would be pissed off too.
Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?
A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.
Ironically enough Michelle Williams suffered from "PC quotas" at last year's oscars
I see he has donated the $1.5m to yet another hashtag campaign "Times up", whatever that is
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2018, 07:17:30 PM
I see he has donated the $1.5m to yet another hashtag campaign "Times up", whatever that is
..just a legal fund so blue collar female victims can afford to bring a case against their abusers if they so wish. Don't be so glib Minder.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
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You would be pissed off too.
Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?
A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.
Plenty of people know who she is - just because you don't ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2018, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
You would be pissed off too.
Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?
A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.
Plenty of people know who she is - just because you don't ::) ::) ::)
Never heard of her?
What was she in?
You are on the internet - use it to your advantage
Quote from: stew on January 13, 2018, 05:55:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
I had a reply typed til I saw the reply. I fear this has descended into mayhem sooner than you anticipated screenexile...
My firm publishes pay gap info - it performs well. The issue isn't the gap for us, more so female representation at more senior levels, which is pretty shocking but representative of the corporate world at present (though changing).
I hope the wemen that are at the top levels are queer, trans etc and not a one of them is a white privilege hetro! ::)
I love that entitled white heterosexual males are now crying foul and saying it should be a meritocracy when for decades they benefited from affirmative action for entitled white heterosexual males.
Quote from: thebigfella on January 13, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: stew on January 13, 2018, 05:55:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
I had a reply typed til I saw the reply. I fear this has descended into mayhem sooner than you anticipated screenexile...
My firm publishes pay gap info - it performs well. The issue isn't the gap for us, more so female representation at more senior levels, which is pretty shocking but representative of the corporate world at present (though changing).
I hope the wemen that are at the top levels are queer, trans etc and not a one of them is a white privilege hetro! ::)
I love that entitled white heterosexual males are now crying foul and saying it should be a meritocracy when for decades they benefited from affirmative action for entitled white heterosexual males.
Are you on about this white privilege guilt bullshit? And you fall for it??
Guilt for what? What did you do that led to historical events
It's a ploy to fool the weak-minded. Wise up!
Quote from: foxcommander on January 13, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 13, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: stew on January 13, 2018, 05:55:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
I had a reply typed til I saw the reply. I fear this has descended into mayhem sooner than you anticipated screenexile...
My firm publishes pay gap info - it performs well. The issue isn't the gap for us, more so female representation at more senior levels, which is pretty shocking but representative of the corporate world at present (though changing).
I hope the wemen that are at the top levels are queer, trans etc and not a one of them is a white privilege hetro! ::)
I love that entitled white heterosexual males are now crying foul and saying it should be a meritocracy when for decades they benefited from affirmative action for entitled white heterosexual males.
Are you on about this white privilege guilt bullshit? And you fall for it??
Guilt for what? What did you do that led to historical events
It's a ploy to fool the weak-minded. Wise up!
What the fcuk you on about
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2018, 07:48:11 PM
You are on the internet - use it to your advantage
Obviously nothing good so.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2018, 07:48:11 PM
You are on the internet - use it to your advantage
Obviously nothing good so.
Brokeback Mountain...Manchester by the Sea... Shutter Island... The Greatest Showman
Nominated for 4 Oscar's in her time but yeah she's a nobody!!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 07:39:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2018, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
You would be pissed off too.
Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?
A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.
Plenty of people know who she is - just because you don't ::) ::) ::)
Never heard of her?
What was she in?
$80!a day ffs a guetamalan laborer wouldn't do a half day on a jobsite for that ,male or female
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
The gender gap in hollywood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html
Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot.
For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
You would be pissed off too.
Good lad mark.
http://www.thejournal.ie/mark-walhberg-gender-pay-3796830-Jan2018/
After huge gender pay gap revealed, Mark Wahlberg donates €1.5m reshoot salary to Time's Up
Michelle it's time to look for a better agent.
Quote from: screenexile on January 13, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2018, 07:48:11 PM
You are on the internet - use it to your advantage
Obviously nothing good so.
Brokeback Mountain...Manchester by the Sea... Shutter Island... The Greatest Showman
Nominated for 4 Oscar's in her time but yeah she's a nobody!!
Films about gay cowboys wouldn't be my thing. It also sounds to me like she could do with getting a better agent.
First world problems as they say
80 dollars a day sounds weird. How could any movie actress agree to that?
Are female models better paid than male models?
Quote from: theskull1 on January 14, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
80 dollars a day sounds weird. How could any movie actress agree to that?
I believe this was just for the reshoots with the new actor, she had a clause in her contract and yer man didnt.
Quote from: stew on January 14, 2018, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 14, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
80 dollars a day sounds weird. How could any movie actress agree to that?
I believe this was just for the reshoots with the new actor, she had a clause in her contract and yer man didnt.
Isn't that her fault for signing it?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
Are female models better paid than male models?
funnily enough they aren't. At the top yes, but at the lower levels, which would constitute the vast majority of the modelling industry, male models are paid more than there female counterparts.
Quote from: HiMucker on January 15, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
Are female models better paid than male models?
funnily enough they aren't. At the top yes, but at the lower levels, which would constitute the vast majority of the modelling industry, male models are paid more than there female counterparts.
But isn't that the case with the gender pay gap?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2018, 09:16:21 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 15, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
Are female models better paid than male models?
funnily enough they aren't. At the top yes, but at the lower levels, which would constitute the vast majority of the modelling industry, male models are paid more than there female counterparts.
But isn't that the case with the gender pay gap?
Yes. Other than women being paid more than men at the top end, it would seem that the modelling industry is no different than near all other industries when it comes to the gender pay gap.
Quote from: HiMucker on January 15, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
Are female models better paid than male models?
funnily enough they aren't. At the top yes, but at the lower levels, which would constitute the vast majority of the modelling industry, male models are paid more than there female counterparts.
That seems like quite a contradictory post. Female models would seem to be better paid than male models.
It is possible Im mixing this up with porn stars :D