Man Utd Thread:

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Armagh18

Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2024, 10:10:41 AMWreck it Ralph was right, and knows what he's at, go figure
Was anyone in any doubt?

NAG1

Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2024, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2024, 10:10:41 AMWreck it Ralph was right, and knows what he's at, go figure
Was anyone in any doubt?

No don't think anyone was.

johnnycool

Quote from: statto on June 14, 2024, 04:04:10 PMLinked with Branthwaite and going to make an approach.  They need another centre half but Branthwaite and Martinez are both left sided centre backs which will give an inbalance in the team. 

Radcliffe lowballing Everton for Branthwaite and with a bit of scullduggery on the profitability rules with Villa Everton don't need to sell him.

It will be up to the player himself but on Evertons terms.


NAG1

Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2024, 04:04:10 PMLinked with Branthwaite and going to make an approach.  They need another centre half but Branthwaite and Martinez are both left sided centre backs which will give an inbalance in the team. 

Radcliffe lowballing Everton for Branthwaite and with a bit of scullduggery on the profitability rules with Villa Everton don't need to sell him.

It will be up to the player himself but on Evertons terms.



I'd have thought Everton would be one of a number of clubs who need to sell.

johnnycool

Quote from: NAG1 on June 27, 2024, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2024, 04:04:10 PMLinked with Branthwaite and going to make an approach.  They need another centre half but Branthwaite and Martinez are both left sided centre backs which will give an inbalance in the team. 

Radcliffe lowballing Everton for Branthwaite and with a bit of scullduggery on the profitability rules with Villa Everton don't need to sell him.

It will be up to the player himself but on Evertons terms.



I'd have thought Everton would be one of a number of clubs who need to sell.

They sold Lewis Dobbin for £9M to Villa and purchased a player from Villa for the same amount.

Dobbin was a youth player and deemed pure profit when it comes to the sustainability rules and that gets Everton back on track.

The Villa players cost can be shared over the 5 years of his contract hence the inflated price for barely first team players.
Villa are doing the same to meet the sustainability rules. Both clubs win win in this situation.

NAG1

Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 27, 2024, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2024, 04:04:10 PMLinked with Branthwaite and going to make an approach.  They need another centre half but Branthwaite and Martinez are both left sided centre backs which will give an inbalance in the team. 

Radcliffe lowballing Everton for Branthwaite and with a bit of scullduggery on the profitability rules with Villa Everton don't need to sell him.

It will be up to the player himself but on Evertons terms.



I'd have thought Everton would be one of a number of clubs who need to sell.

They sold Lewis Dobbin for £9M to Villa and purchased a player from Villa for the same amount.

Dobbin was a youth player and deemed pure profit when it comes to the sustainability rules and that gets Everton back on track.

The Villa players cost can be shared over the 5 years of his contract hence the inflated price for barely first team players.
Villa are doing the same to meet the sustainability rules. Both clubs win win in this situation.

Wasn't aware JC, knew they had to have some business done in June to get back on track. Makes a mockery of the whole system when two teams can bail each other out but they are just going by the system they are in.

I think Utd should go to whatever value Braithewait is considered to be worth, if Everton don't want that then move to the next target. Too many over inflated transfers in recent seasons at the club.

johnnycool

Quote from: NAG1 on June 27, 2024, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 27, 2024, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 27, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2024, 04:04:10 PMLinked with Branthwaite and going to make an approach.  They need another centre half but Branthwaite and Martinez are both left sided centre backs which will give an inbalance in the team. 

Radcliffe lowballing Everton for Branthwaite and with a bit of scullduggery on the profitability rules with Villa Everton don't need to sell him.

It will be up to the player himself but on Evertons terms.



I'd have thought Everton would be one of a number of clubs who need to sell.

They sold Lewis Dobbin for £9M to Villa and purchased a player from Villa for the same amount.

Dobbin was a youth player and deemed pure profit when it comes to the sustainability rules and that gets Everton back on track.

The Villa players cost can be shared over the 5 years of his contract hence the inflated price for barely first team players.
Villa are doing the same to meet the sustainability rules. Both clubs win win in this situation.

Wasn't aware JC, knew they had to have some business done in June to get back on track. Makes a mockery of the whole system when two teams can bail each other out but they are just going by the system they are in.

I think Utd should go to whatever value Braithewait is considered to be worth, if Everton don't want that then move to the next target. Too many over inflated transfers in recent seasons at the club.

United are reported to have offered £43M for Branthwaite, an England centre back barely 22, when they spunked £80m+ on Maguire a good few years ago.

Everton aren't that desperate for the money and it's more likely that Onana or DCL move on rather than Branthwaite.

Look-Up!

You don't want to be overpaying too much for players but being a smart arse and lowballing clubs is bad business too. Remember Wenger and the 1€ over bid for Suarez, made a right tit of himself.

statto

Quote from: Look-Up! on June 27, 2024, 04:27:27 PMYou don't want to be overpaying too much for players but being a smart arse and lowballing clubs is bad business too. Remember Wenger and the 1€ over bid for Suarez, made a right tit of himself.
Radcliffe maybe give eni aluko a call see how best to play the situation lol

snoopdog

United are right to try to pay less. The so called Utd tax jas to be a thing of the past. If Braithwaite is so good why isn't he at the Euros.

Look-Up!

The Utd tax is as much of their own doing in fairness. If they don't get screwed in the fee they will with the wages. And the contracts of the likes of Rashford, a homegrown talent at that, are a problem and are always going to have a tidal effect elsewhere.

And sometimes the biggest tax of all is last minute shopping because you have f all bought and the window is about to close. So sure you have to be prudent, but also better to be expeditious.

johnnycool

Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2024, 09:14:12 PMUnited are right to try to pay less. The so called Utd tax jas to be a thing of the past. If Braithwaite is so good why isn't he at the Euros.

Because Southgate is by nature conservative and went with Lewis feckin Dunk instead who won't see one minute of gametime unless Stones breaks both legs.

I get United not wanting to be screwed over, Utd tax and all that as some of their transfers were just madness however to go completely the other way makes Radcliffe look to be a total fool and if he doesn't land one or two players who's going to add to the team and quickly the fans will turn on him in no time.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2024, 09:14:12 PMUnited are right to try to pay less. The so called Utd tax jas to be a thing of the past. If Braithwaite is so good why isn't he at the Euros.

Because Southgate is by nature conservative and went with Lewis feckin Dunk instead who won't see one minute of gametime unless Stones breaks both legs.

I get United not wanting to be screwed over, Utd tax and all that as some of their transfers were just madness however to go completely the other way makes Radcliffe look to be a total fool and if he doesn't land one or two players who's going to add to the team and quickly the fans will turn on him in no time.

The Utd team is dysfunctional, some quality players throughout the team and if fully fit and firing on all cylinders would be a match for most teams, finishing third and winning a cup as an example of what that team could do, seems to be good enough for others clubs ;)

But in fairness that current set up is worst than Big Ron's team of the 80's, and while I loved that team back in the day, they struggled most years to compete with Liverpool or Everton   
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

tiempo

A combination approach to transfer/player development is needed and especially well developed at Madrid Bayern and Juve

- target players with specific release clauses
- players coming to end of the contract
- talent ID in the <17 bracket, before acquired by another club where Utd tax can be applied
- development through academy

The last thing you should be doing is dancing to the tune of another club, in this case Everton, for an overinflated price, a double bubble as Utd tax and English player premium

The only time you should be breaching the £80-120m barrier is when you're taking a direct competitors in-form best player, which would be a rare enough thing for a club like Utd in reality, maybe only Veron Sanchez and Van Persie? I'm counting the re-signing of Pogba as a vanity signing, not Di Maria or Varane, Madrid simply don't sell players that are at their peak

Utd have foolishly been caught as a retirement home for past-it Madrid players in particular

Utd have been bullied by selling clubs for years, they need to work smarter, not make crazy opening offers (e.g. Fred) and learn to walk away when selling club takes the piss

At the end of the day the current squad with no new signings is an expensively assembled group (20+) of international players, that squad should be finishing third to sixth with a boot up the hole

gallsman

Veron? Were Lazio 2001 a direct competitor?