http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sky-in-talks-for-gaa-tv-deal-30130109.html
Seems they are doing a deal for some of the championship games.
I'm really hoping that this is part of the strategy to grow the game beyond the shores of Ireland and not just a new way of fleecing the existing viewing public.
The extra exposure will be good but I'll be dead before I ever pay for sky sports.
Quote from: thejuice on March 27, 2014, 02:35:17 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sky-in-talks-for-gaa-tv-deal-30130109.html
Seems they are doing a deal for some of the championship games.
I'm really hoping that this is part of the strategy to grow the game beyond the shores of Ireland and not just a new way of fleecing the existing viewing public.
The extra exposure will be good but I'll be dead before I ever pay for sky sports.
+ 1.
Sky Sports me arse.
http://webfirstrow.eu (http://webfirstrow.eu)
http://tykestv.eu/ (http://tykestv.eu/)
http://coolsport.tv (http://coolsport.tv)
http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports)
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/ (http://www.firstrowsports.eu/)
http://www.vipbox.tv/s (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/rugby.html)
http://www.nj43.com/ (http://www.nj43.com/)
http://cricfree.tv/index.php (http://cricfree.tv/index.php)
http://www.stopstream.com/ (http://www.stopstream.com/)
http://www.tsmplug.com (http://www.tsmplug.com)
What's the reasoning behind this? So some of the fixtures will now be behind a paywall. An amateur organisation is not paying its players but is selling it's rights to the highest bidder and restricting it's viewership.
Some people in GAA HQ have lost the run of themselves. Totally money mad. Making €5 million from concerts this year, and did I not read that Croker is now debt free?
Just because we don't pay players doesn't mean we don't need money. If nothing else it's a shot across the bows of the awful RTE so it might shake them up a bit.
Whilst I can understand that people will be annoyed at this development, don't forget that when Setanta came along, there was a row about that. Sky might be very good for GAA development in the long term and they might be what is needed in the minds of the top brass to take Gaelic games to the next level.
The GAA head men know that there'll be a few column inches of condemnation written, a few moans and groans and a few pages written on Gaaboard, Boards.ie etc etc but that it will blow over and at the end of it, the GAA will get a few more million a year and the president will go round and tell us at dinner dances and meetings how important and invaluable the grass roots are.
And they'll work away at the next commercial deal.
That's the way of the world. The real power lies with the lads in Croke Park. If your opinion was required, you'd have been asked for it.
Get over it.
When the grassroots are asked for their opinion they don't bother their ass (see FRC) but they'll sure as hell complain about whatever you do decide to do.
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 10:12:52 AM
When the grassroots are asked for their opinion they don't bother their ass (see FRC) but they'll sure as hell complain about whatever you do decide to do.
Forget about the grass roots then.
How many committees, county committees, provincial committees etc were consulted on this ?
They have completely fucked over Setanta here.
But anyway, it's a sad indictment of how the GAA is now being incorporated, and in my opinion could be seen in 10-15 years time as one of the now many steps on the road to professionalism.
Quote from: stibhan on March 28, 2014, 10:19:16 AM
They have completely fucked over Setanta here.
But anyway, it's a sad indictment of how the GAA is now being incorporated, and in my opinion could be seen in 10-15 years time as one of the now many steps on the road to professionalism.
I honestly can't see GAA going professional. Maybe semi pros but not full time.
Quote from: orangeman on March 28, 2014, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 10:12:52 AM
When the grassroots are asked for their opinion they don't bother their ass (see FRC) but they'll sure as hell complain about whatever you do decide to do.
Forget about the grass roots then.
How many committees, county committees, provincial committees etc were consulted on this ?
How many need to be and what the hell would most of them know about TV rights anyway? Besides the more people you bring into the consultation process the less likely you are to get an agreed plan. The GAA are going about this exactly as they should be with a small knowledgeable group.
Quote from: stibhan on March 28, 2014, 10:19:16 AM
They have completely fucked over Setanta here.
But anyway, it's a sad indictment of how the GAA is now being incorporated, and in my opinion could be seen in 10-15 years time as one of the now many steps on the road to professionalism.
How do you know they've fucked Setanta over? I'm sure Setanta have the right to bid as well. If they get out bid, then it's hardly surprising if the GAA go with the highest bidder?
My 'professionalism' radar is usually on high Do, as the likes of Zulu will confirm, but all I see here is the potential to have our games in millions of homes across the UK. That in itself is a good thing I think. Remember as our season is in full swing, the only thing the Brits have to watch is fecking cricket.
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 28, 2014, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 10:12:52 AM
When the grassroots are asked for their opinion they don't bother their ass (see FRC) but they'll sure as hell complain about whatever you do decide to do.
Forget about the grass roots then.
How many committees, county committees, provincial committees etc were consulted on this ?
How many need to be and what the hell would most of them know about TV rights anyway? Besides the more people you bring into the consultation process the less likely you are to get an agreed plan. The GAA are going about this exactly as they should be with a small knowledgeable group.
I wouldn't argue with you on that point.
But who appointed this group and what was the agenda and what debate was there around this ?
Or is there this wee group of smart lads who just decide to do whatever they feel is "right" for the rest of us ?
And what else are they doing that we don't know about ?
How many "customers" do Sky have in Ireland at the minute ?
One thing for sure, it'll be great for Irish men and women all over the world who struggle with getting to see games on TV presently.
I wouldn't be surprised if Irish Sky customers won't be able to see these games on Sky. I'd imagine a similar arrangement to the Europa Leagues on Setanta and BT. I expect an Irish broadcast rights agreement, probably with RTE and TV3 or Setanta, and a European rights agreements with BSkyB or BT/ESPN.
I think the same thing actually happens in the summer on Setanta as it is? Premiersports or one of them companies broadcast the games on the Setanta Channel on the Sky EPG, but as they are on RTE, you get the message that the programme is unavailable in Ireland.
Lads, the fellas up in HQ are operating the GAA as a business. They wouldn't have their highly paid jobs otherwise. They make money for the association and every club and county needs money so in one sense they should be welcomed, but there are huge downsides for the rank and file members.
Selling rights to setanta or sky or whoever, giving the English queen and Garth Brooks access to Croke Park. Worries about the game going professional are legitimate as there's already 1 county operating at this status. As I've said the GAA is a business now and this county makes them a lot of money so it's in HQ's interests to make them successful. This means giving Dublin unlimited funds and building them state of the art facilities.
Money is important for everyone in the association, we all need it, but what price are we willing to pay? In my view it's gone too far, the pitfalls are far outweighing the rewards.
Good point No Matter. I better write that down in case I forget it
::) ::) ::)
Let's wait for the details first perhaps?
All I've heard so far is a report by that bastion of Gaeldom the "Irish" Independent".
From what I've heard, Sky's coverage is essentially TV3's old package and a little bit more. TV3 may be the big losers here
And would the Sky broadcasts be available in Ireland then easytiger?
Oh yeah, but on their subscription service AFAIK. But I wouldn't discount them doing stuff like putting matches on Sky 1 free to air (that's not anything I heard, just speculation - it might defuse the situation if the GAA start getting a load of flak).
I've been out of the business myself for a couple of years so I'm a bit removed but i think in general, it is a positive development for the GAA. From a purely technical point of view, Sky have access to resources that RTE and TV3 don't, through no fault of their own. I'm sure they'll push the coverage forward.
I have the Sky Sports subscription, so from a selfish point of view 'I'm alright Jack' if they show them in Ireland. I thought we'd have a Irish and UK rights situation. I guarantee you Sky Sports won't be putting the down in the mouth football analysts on the panel. They'll want to hype it to the last, so I expect football's Liam Griffin and Cyril Farrell there :)
Liam Harnan and Brian Mullins? :o
No, but isnt that a telling thing actually. Who would the most upbeat of pundits be?
Jarlath Burns on tG4 and BBC seems to actually enjoy the games. Who else? They'll probably get Wooly Parkinson or some other dingdong.
Genuine Q. Should they not look into creating a 'GAA' pay subscription channel and creating their own network?
If it's a good deal for the GAA and doesn't disenfranchise the viewing public significantly then I don't mind.
Currently, it can be random what games get shown on live tv. So people are already consigned to the idea that a game they have an interest in won't get covered.
Selling rights to Sky may boost revenues and open new audiences abroad. Even in Ireland it may give the games extra prestige to those who still view gaelic games as small time, parochial affairs.
What will Sky's coverage be like, I wonder? Will it they give it the Sky treatment - dozens of cameras and the big build up.
Or will it be RTE's coverage reheated - Victor Meldrew punditry, pitchside interviews with a dozen rubber neckers leering into the camera, ad break music montages showing all the mistimed tackles and mistakes.
Quote from: hardstation on March 28, 2014, 12:09:05 PM
Nah, they'll have to get Spillane & Brolly on. I can imagine the half time analysis of the first game.
Brolly
"I don't know what to say to that first half. That was the antithesis of Gaelic Football. Really depressing, mind-numbing stuff. If I was watching this at home, I'd get out of the house and go for a long drive. And, Antrim, Antrim? I have no idea what they have been doing since January but to turn up and produce that at this time of the year is an embarrassment to the game. Brutal."
Spillane:
"The game is dead, Michael."
haha Repeat year after year...
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 28, 2014, 12:14:43 PM
If it's a good deal for the GAA and doesn't disenfranchise the viewing public significantly then I don't mind.
Currently, it can be random what games get shown on live tv. So people are already consigned to the idea that a game they have an interest in won't get covered.
Selling rights to Sky may boost revenues and open new audiences abroad. Even in Ireland it may give the games extra prestige to those who still view gaelic games as small time, parochial affairs.
What will Sky's coverage be like, I wonder? Will it they give it the Sky treatment - dozens of cameras and the big build up.
Or will it be RTE's coverage reheated - Victor Meldrew punditry, pitchside interviews with a dozen rubber neckers leering into the camera, ad break music montages showing all the mistimed tackles and mistakes.
See Skys coverage of the Irish League in the North.
Don't think there is a comparison there - the Irish League coverage is a contractual add on to the international games, so it will always be a lower priority. they have to go full power on this as they are principal rights holders and they are spending a lot of money to get involved.
Can't say I've ever watched it, but I'm prejudiced against Irish League soccer anyway.
That annoying moment when the BBC's Final Score are about to show the updated Premier League table and it suddenly cuts over to the NI sports feed. We then get treated to 10 minutes of NI club soccer, which should be running to a backing track of the 'Walk of Life' by Dire Straits.
I'd expect something like what they give the Football League, or the domestic rugby/Heineken Cup. They've got such a formula for that now that I think it's repeatable for whatever sport. I don't think they really do 'low key' barring speedway or something.
I wouldn't expect 'Super Sunday' treatment although there's little enough on at the height of summer other than the Cricket, so you never know.
Suppose with BT getting exclusive rights to the Champions League from 2015 and more Premiership games, it could be a good angle to hold onto a significant portion of Irish Sky subscriptions. FFS they are even showing live netball now.
There will be a few high profile ex players knocking Sky's door for the punditry jobs..££$$££$$
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Irish Sky customers won't be able to see these games on Sky.
Not much point in Sky getting involved if they don't have exclusive rights to show matches in Ireland - this is about them strengthening their market position here, as is nabbing the Rab O'Die Wrecked rogbee rights from RTE.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 28, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
Can't say I've ever watched it, but I'm prejudiced against Irish League soccer anyway.
That annoying moment when the BBC's Final Score are about to show the updated Premier League table and it suddenly cuts over to the NI sports feed. We then get treated to 10 minutes of NI club soccer, which should be running to a backing track of the 'Walk of Life' by Dire Straits.
Can't miss an opportunity to show this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34), in case there's anyone out there who hasn't seen it:
That is hilarious.
Alistair Donaldson the Ulster rugby fan is a much under-utilised character on the part of the Apres Match team.
Quote from: Hardy on March 28, 2014, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 28, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
Can't say I've ever watched it, but I'm prejudiced against Irish League soccer anyway.
That annoying moment when the BBC's Final Score are about to show the updated Premier League table and it suddenly cuts over to the NI sports feed. We then get treated to 10 minutes of NI club soccer, which should be running to a backing track of the 'Walk of Life' by Dire Straits.
Can't miss an opportunity to show this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34), in case there's anyone out there who hasn't seen it:
#
Mighty.
Brilliant.
Late result, Tyrone 5 kicks, 10 slaps and no suspensions !! :) :) :) :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
No, but isnt that a telling thing actually. Who would the most upbeat of pundits be?
Jarlath Burns on tG4 and BBC seems to actually enjoy the games. Who else? They'll probably get Wooly Parkinson or some other dingdong.
Him and Kevin Cassidy having a "ding dong" on pay for play on twitter at the minute. Wolly advocating going on strike and Cass fighting his corner against pay for play.
The British leg of Sky is broadcast throughout the world both on cable and many legal and illegal streams online. I f we want to expand the game then this is a no brainer. As far as i can see RTE has what it had anyway and Sky will pick up TV3 games plus a few added extra games. TV3 are in trouble with UTV expanding south full term taking the brit soaps and reality shows. Sky will do what they do best and hype the shite out of this. I feel with SKY in the GAA family we are closer to an Aussie rules/Rugby league type championship of 16 teams with a top 8 play off more so than professional players.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 28, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
The British leg of Sky is broadcast throughout the world both on cable and many legal and illegal streams online. I f we want to expand the game then this is a no brainer. As far as i can see RTE has what it had anyway and Sky will pick up TV3 games plus a few added extra games. TV3 are in trouble with UTV expanding south full term taking the brit soaps and reality shows. Sky will do what they do best and hype the shite out of this. I feel with SKY in the GAA family we are closer to an Aussie rules/Rugby league type championship of 16 teams with a top 8 play off more so than professional players.
We're still a few universes away from that.
Quote from: Hardy on March 27, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Sky Sports me arse.
http://webfirstrow.eu (http://webfirstrow.eu)
http://tykestv.eu/ (http://tykestv.eu/)
http://coolsport.tv (http://coolsport.tv)
http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports)
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/ (http://www.firstrowsports.eu/)
http://www.vipbox.tv/s (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/rugby.html)
http://www.nj43.com/ (http://www.nj43.com/)
http://cricfree.tv/index.php (http://cricfree.tv/index.php)
http://www.stopstream.com/ (http://www.stopstream.com/)
http://www.tsmplug.com (http://www.tsmplug.com)
Anyone worried they might miss a game,see the above.
I dont even have saorview in the house.Everything goes through the laptop onto the big screen and of course it's free.You can watch almost any channel online now these days (including all the sky sports channels)
QuoteI dont even have saorview in the house.Everything goes through the laptop onto the big screen and of course it's free
No wonder the Internet is congested!
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
Plenty of counties suffering at home before we even talk about overseas.
The extra exposure is the biggest thing that will come from this deal. TV is king.
Quote from: Syferus on March 28, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
Plenty of counties suffering at home before we even talk about overseas.
The extra exposure is the biggest thing that will come from this deal. TV is king.
Just out of interest, why do we have to make sure all the home clubs are ok before even talking about the hundreds of clubs overseas?
Exactly, what makes a club in Roscommon more deserving of financial help than one outside of Ireland?
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 28, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 28, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
Plenty of counties suffering at home before we even talk about overseas.
The extra exposure is the biggest thing that will come from this deal. TV is king.
Just out of interest, why do we have to make sure all the home clubs are ok before even talking about the hundreds of clubs overseas?
I'm not even talking about individual clubs but counties as a whole. Only a few large counties have not experienced shortfalls in the recent past.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, though, but in a sport where the vast majority of the money is made in Ireland the counties and clubs in Ireland will always come first.
If you want to argue the morals of that you can but it is how it is and how it will continue to be.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
Nothing to do with morals, if you want to take that position then Dublin deserve far more than Roscommon and the likes of Wicklow should get very little. By the way, nobody involved in international GAA would suggest we should get vast sums of money but the idea that you look after Ireland first and we get what's leftover is nonsense. You invest the money where there is a return.
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
We have to show there is value in the investment abroad as well but the GAA is hardly flowing in disposable cash. I'm no fan of Sky sports but those pundits you mentioned were the face of the growth of soccer into what it is now so clearly people ain't all that intelligent. We could definitely get a fair share of the market as both sports are good spectator sports though we'll never be huge but most sports aren't.
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
For someone who does a whole lot of ranting you seem pretty badly mis-informed.
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
Nothing to do with morals, if you want to take that position then Dublin deserve far more than Roscommon and the likes of Wicklow should get very little. By the way, nobody involved in international GAA would suggest we should get vast sums of money but the idea that you look after Ireland first and we get what's leftover is nonsense. You invest the money where there is a return.
Dublin wouldn't matter for anything if they had no one to play against. Ireland (+ London for (only) senior IC) is the home territory for this sport and hence it will always take a huge chunk of the money. There's nothing wrong with that, what's the point rotting the key pillar of the sport for the benefit of other territories? That's simply not how sport works in any part of the world.
Money isn't even being distributed correctly in the country as it is so of course money could be used more intelligently but like any sport that is played at the highest level (and the money-spinning level) in one country the money that is gained from the product will largely go to the territory that it's based in.
If the GAA wants to expand its horizons it can't be at the expense of the game at home and it won't be because all the key decision markers are here and will look after their own interests first.
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
Who said anything about outclassing cricket? If you're referring to my post above, what I meant was there is very little on TV in the way of top class sport during the summer OTHER than cricket. In other words, there's probably a slot there that GAA on Sky could fit nicely on a Saturday evening/Sunday afternoon. They have 4 sports channels after all.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
Who said anything about outclassing cricket? If you're referring to my post above, what I meant was there is very little on TV in the way of top class sport during the summer OTHER than cricket. In other words, there's probably a slot there that GAA on Sky could fit nicely on a Saturday evening/Sunday afternoon. They have 4 sports channels after all.
Five if you count the cardboard car racing channel.
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
The GAA don't fund their clubs outside of Ireland, eh? I must have imagined that story the other day (http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/500k-pledged-toward-redevelopment-of-london-gaa-ground-in-ruislip) about London GAA getting half a million quid to develop Ruislip. I must have imagined the money that was poured into Gaelic Park New York, Gaelic Park Chicago, Páirc na Gael in San Francisco, and the new grounds in Philadelphia. I must have imagined the paid development officers that I've been working with in five US cities for the last six years or so.
QuoteAs for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
I've seen how Sky promote sports. They talk the games up. They run trailers for every big match that's coming up. They hype the games up. They generate a bit of excitement. Phone hacking and Rupert Murdoch's personality is irrelevant. Contrast Sky's treatment of the games to RTE's:
"The first half was even, the second half was even worse."
"They have a forward line that couldn't punch holes in a paper bag."
"You get more contact in an old-time waltz at the old-folks' home than in a National League final."
That's it, lads. Bad mouth the game. Denigrate it. Hate it. Turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. Don't come crying to me when you've lost the broadcasting rights because you couldn't be professional in your presentation. If you behaved like that on an American network that paid big bucks to get these games and needed to get its money's worth, you'd be looking for a new job if you came out with bile like that.
QuoteThe far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Sure. I remember when people told me it was "laughable" that there'd be a college hurling championship in America.
There once was a time when cricket wasn't played outside the UK too. Every sport has to start its journey somewhere.
In any case who said anything about overtaking cricket or rugby or soccer? That's not what I'm about, I just want to see Gaelic games improving on their current status, which is invisibility.
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Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
Nothing to do with morals, if you want to take that position then Dublin deserve far more than Roscommon and the likes of Wicklow should get very little. By the way, nobody involved in international GAA would suggest we should get vast sums of money but the idea that you look after Ireland first and we get what's leftover is nonsense. You invest the money where there is a return.
Spot on. If I had my way the funding in the USA would go to cities like Milwaukee and Indy rather than the likes of Boston and San Francisco (my own city). You'd get far bigger return.
Quote from: Syferus on March 28, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
Dublin wouldn't matter for anything if they had no one to play against. Ireland (+ London for (only) senior IC) is the home territory for this sport and hence it will always take a huge chunk of the money. There's nothing wrong with that, what's the point rotting the key pillar of the sport for the benefit of other territories? That's simply not how sport works in any part of the world.
Money isn't even being distributed correctly in the country as it is so of course money could be used more intelligently but like any sport that is played at the highest level (and the money-spinning level) in one country the money that is gained from the product will largely go to the territory that it's based in.
If the GAA wants to expand its horizons it can't be at the expense of the game at home and it won't be because all the key decision markers are here and will look after their own interests first.
There was uproar when FIFA hosted the World Cup in the USA, outside the soccer heartlands of South America and Europe. Now soccer's booming in America.
FIFA has taken the World Cup to Japan, Korea and South Africa. Investing in new territories is
exactly how successful international sports should and do operate.
It is exactly what successful, international, professional sporting organisations do.
Listen lads, I'm all for Sky as I've wanted to see the coverage shaken up for a long time now - but it is also worth noting that the one of the last amateur sporting organisations to undertake a successful expansion ended up going professional. the Rugby World Cup in 91 was the death knell for amateur rugby, and it was fueled by increased television exposure.
I know enough to know the huge differences between the two situations - but my point is, while I'm supportive of the move, this is a historic moment in the Association's history. Any sporting organisation to work with Sky has ended up changed (for better, or worse, whatever your opinion) by the huge profile and the technical excellence of the coverage. TV has driven innovation in all sports and no one does it better than Sky. The issues this will bring up are definitely worthy of debate because no matter what, once the contract is signed, we're in a different ball game. For me this is as significant an event as the opening of Croker. The GAA will need to listen to everyone's concerns as we go.
I think people are ignoring the realities of demographics, lt'll be filler in Sky's schedules, between Ireland & GB I'd say there'll be as many, if not more, who'll be tuning in for Tightlines, Cycling or Speedway. It'll not be a seismic development & will have as much impact on their schedules as the already mentioned sports. On a side note I'm delighted to see it as I can't get TV3 at all but I have Sky Sports. I also have Sky Broadband that unfortunately blocks all those sports internet links.
Depends on the games they get, but if they pick up a Leinster/Munster football final, where you could be guaranteed a 35k plus crowd for Cork v Kerry and 50k plus for Dublin v Meath, you can be guaranteed they will go big on it. They also may have the rights to simulcast the semis and finals with RTE - 80k in Croke Park at the end of August? They will give it the full gun alright.
The demographics may be against them, but if it ends up filler it won't be through lack of effort on a production level. Basically what I'm saying is the GAA may not change Sky, but Sky will change the GAA (for the better, I hope!)
QuoteI think people are ignoring the realities of demographics, lt'll be filler in Sky's schedules, between Ireland & GB I'd say there'll be as many, if not more, who'll be tuning in for Tightlines, Cycling or Speedway.
I'm not sure about that. Those sports are minority sports in every country they are in, I'm not even sure what tight lines is, fishing? GAA is a huge sport in Ireland and has the potential to be big elsewhere. The games are good viewing, they're European (which is important I think) and there is a significant Irish population in every developed country in the world. I would suggest that bar soccer, rugby, cricket and American football the GAA could eventually beat the regular viewing figures for most other sports.
Well 'potential' is a huge word in this context. The (random) sports that i mentioned are International sports that cross cultures, Gaa is regional/provincial sport with limited scope for development outside it's cultural boundaries, it could be argued any sport given the Sky treatment could become anything (Darts being a superb example) but i think Gaa & the others mentioned would in theory struggle to get out of the confines that restrict them.
I disagree benny, the sports you mention have no chance of widespread TV support just as weightlifting, judo, hockey, swimming or a hundred other sports have no chance. Football and hurling could get support beyond their traditional bases. There are challenges and they'll never compare to the major world sports but good team sports have away better chance of getting a foothold than individual sports.
I'm not all that bothered about GAA becoming popular in every English home but there is enough people in Britain who want to watch the games and deserve a better service than the hit and miss that Premier Sports have served up over the past few years. (Though they do seem to have improved a bit this year and have regularly been showing 2 or 3 league games a weekend).
The development of the game overseas won't hinge on exposure from Sky, but it won't do any harm. Syferus, no club is asking for huge investment that would rob from the poor Irish clubs but I'd be just be happy if we had a pitch with some sort of changing facilities in our county and if the council didn't remove the posts the day before the county final.
Will they have to change the rules to allow more advert breaks when it's shown in USA where advertising revenues are huge and Cookstown sizzle and Galtee bacon get a wee plug ?
They'll struggled to get a few GAA babes for presenting.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
This is a positive development.
Sky will bring an upbeat presentation of the game and they won't hire pundits who bad mouth the game as if it's their job to turn off as many repeat viewers as possible. They'll do a proper job of marketing the game and they'll be a lot more professional about it than RTE.
The game will be exposed to new audiences in the UK which is what we've needed for years. I could write a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Launch-Untapped-Global-Potential-ebook/dp/B00IOWN9T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396030889&sr=8-1&keywords=waiting+to+launch) about that.
The money will be put to good use. I have to laugh at the "sure we've got plenty of money, we don't need any more" crowd. Clubs in Britain and around the world are screaming out for extra resources, and it has to come from somewhere. As the games grow worldwide, it's entirely appropriate that a bigger audience outside of Ireland brings in more revenue to be reinvested in these new clubs.
We're a long way off professionalism.
You're a long way off if you think "clubs in Britain and around the world" will reap this worldwind. If the GAA won't fund them now and they're not exactly stuck for the cash, why the f**k would they do it in future?? Expect a few more white elephants like the Gaelic grounds in Limerick, Connacht centre of excellence and plush tours to Aussie to play a series that died 4 long years ago.
As for pushing the boundaries of "broadcasting excellence", where the f**k has your heads been? This is the channel that gave us Andy Gray, Richard Keyes and Chris Kamara. They're headed up by Fox and the Murdochs and contain the same character of person as was involved in the phone-hacking scandal.
The far flung idea that they'll be beaming GAA into the homes of every English Tom, Dick and Harry I'd say you're being optimistic at best. The suggestion that we'll easily outclass cricket, an established international sport with a huge following in Britain and a wealth of tradition is laughable.
Wouldn't just lose the run of yourselves just yet lads. There's as many pitfalls in this deal as there are advantages, combined with the fact that those involved with making the deal have the sole intention of making money and not serving the best interests of the volunteer at the base of the organisation. For the laugh 3.48 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5otHw6Jkns)
Who said anything about outclassing cricket? If you're referring to my post above, what I meant was there is very little on TV in the way of top class sport during the summer OTHER than cricket. In other words, there's probably a slot there that GAA on Sky could fit nicely on a Saturday evening/Sunday afternoon. They have 4 sports channels after all.
I just don't see us edging into the English/ European market as easily as you suggest. A lot of smaller sports are broadcast on SKY/ Eurosport/BT Sport and I'd say a fair few of them couldn't say that the exposure has hugely boosted their following (with the exception of MMA). I mean I see ski-ing on the Eurosport channel all the time but does that mean international ski-ing/handball/badminton saw a resurgence the day they signed up for the tv deal? I wouldn't think so.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
I think people are ignoring the realities of demographics, lt'll be filler in Sky's schedules, between Ireland & GB I'd say there'll be as many, if not more, who'll be tuning in for Tightlines, Cycling or Speedway. It'll not be a seismic development & will have as much impact on their schedules as the already mentioned sports. On a side note I'm delighted to see it as I can't get TV3 at all but I have Sky Sports. I also have Sky Broadband that unfortunately blocks all those sports internet links.
Agree whole-heartedly with your post. Nail on the head.
Didn't realise they block internet links, f**king hoors.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 28, 2014, 11:09:40 PM
I'm not all that bothered about GAA becoming popular in every English home but there is enough people in Britain who want to watch the games and deserve a better service than the hit and miss that Premier Sports have served up over the past few years. (Though they do seem to have improved a bit this year and have regularly been showing 2 or 3 league games a weekend).
The development of the game overseas won't hinge on exposure from Sky, but it won't do any harm. Syferus, no club is asking for huge investment that would rob from the poor Irish clubs but I'd be just be happy if we had a pitch with some sort of changing facilities in our county and if the council didn't remove the posts the day before the county final.
And I fully agree with that, clubs outside Ireland deserve a cut too. Funding is so uneven that using what is there already more intelligently would mean more for everyone that does need it.
It will be interesting to see if playing numbers pick up somewhat at UK clubs with the Sky Sports exposure, every single body counts at club level.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
I think people are ignoring the realities of demographics, lt'll be filler in Sky's schedules, between Ireland & GB I'd say there'll be as many, if not more, who'll be tuning in for Tightlines, Cycling or Speedway. It'll not be a seismic development & will have as much impact on their schedules as the already mentioned sports. On a side note I'm delighted to see it as I can't get TV3 at all but I have Sky Sports. I also have Sky Broadband that unfortunately blocks all those sports internet links.
So do I Benny, you can get past that pretty easy, firstrow was banned in britain, they set up firstrow.eu and works perfectly. People be wary of the streams because they believe the false pop ups.
~on the murdoch issue, i would be as anti murdoch as they come. However Sky do sport top class, like a spoiled bitch they ignore what they dont have (prem rugby union/ FA Cup etc) but when your on board with them they create a phenomenal buzz/hype about a game. I have to admit I have booked many a box office boxing match when previously I had no intention of doing and i for one do get sucked in. My wee man loves the WWE and I end up watching it as I did when I was younger.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 28, 2014, 11:19:10 PM
They'll struggled to get a few GAA babes for presenting.
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/157285688.jpg?1283723749)
like button, wheres the fecking like button?
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 11:03:55 PM
I disagree benny, the sports you mention have no chance of widespread TV support just as weightlifting, judo, hockey, swimming or a hundred other sports have no chance. Football and hurling could get support beyond their traditional bases. There are challenges and they'll never compare to the major world sports but good team sports have away better chance of getting a foothold than individual sports.
But what evidence do you have though that we are sport just waiting to expand beyond our traditional bases? What potential do we have that Baseball, Aussie rules, American football, European handball, Rugby league or any other of the world's deeply parochial sports don't have. They have all huge revenues, professional games and SKY shitting coverage down your throat but still haven't cracked the international market.
SKY coverage might just let a greater percentage of people know that the GAA exists but in terms of people playing or paying to watch the game it'll make very, very little difference. Right now on the sports channel I can watch, rugby league, figure-skating, American horse racing, cycling and Tennis. Still doesn't mean I've any interest in them at all and it's very, very unlikely that any person tonight will begin a huge interest in these sports just because there on Sky at the minute.
Former Kerry forward and current Sydney Swans star Tommy Walsh has reacted angrily to reports that Sky are in talks with the GAA to broadcast our national games.
Walsh took to twitter and wrote: "So our "amateur" game is now being sold to Sky? There is no other sport in the world where players & supporters are taken advantage of more!"
GAA fans could be hit with TV subscription charges to watch some of this year's All-Ireland championship games.
Sky Sports are believed to be at an advanced state of negotiations with Croke Park to enter the GAA market as part of an overall deal featuring a range of broadcasters.
RTE will continue as the main rights holder, but several other stations, including Sky, are also interested in getting a slice of the market.
It's understood that negotiations have taken place under which the Sky package would feature up to 10 games, including two All-Ireland quarter-finals. It's unclear whether Sky's bid is in conjunction with an other broadcaster.
Awarding Sky exclusive rights to a particular package would spark anger among the GAA public as it would leave them facing subscription charges.
Can someone also explain how all this increased worldwide coverage is beneficial when you factor in the reduced coverage at home for people because they haven't the money for a subscription to SKY? Does the money that the GAA gained from the SKY deal have to be spent enticing back the punters they lost because the matches weren't free to air?
tommy walsh could be right
I think the GAA know that the crowds / fans are still going to attend regardless. Pitting Gaelic games in sky make it more appealing to advertisers and the few patrons they might lose at the turnstiles will be made up for when the TV rights are being bid for again.
So it's win win. More money. Higher profile. And the power of Sky means you can hardly get a better marketing tool.
Smart boys alright.
It's great to have lads like Tommy to defend the amateur ethos of the GAA. It must frustrate him that this ethos and tradition of our great organisation has been tossed aside at the first sign of a few dollars.
This is a load of dung. The founding principles of the GAA and SKY are polar opposites. The GAA suits are losing the run of themselves.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 29, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
I think people are ignoring the realities of demographics, lt'll be filler in Sky's schedules, between Ireland & GB I'd say there'll be as many, if not more, who'll be tuning in for Tightlines, Cycling or Speedway. It'll not be a seismic development & will have as much impact on their schedules as the already mentioned sports. On a side note I'm delighted to see it as I can't get TV3 at all but I have Sky Sports. I also have Sky Broadband that unfortunately blocks all those sports internet links.
So do I Benny, you can get past that pretty easy, firstrow was banned in britain, they set up firstrow.eu and works perfectly. People be wary of the streams because they believe the false pop ups.
~on the murdoch issue, i would be as anti murdoch as they come. However Sky do sport top class, like a spoiled bitch they ignore what they dont have (prem rugby union/ FA Cup etc) but when your on board with them they create a phenomenal buzz/hype about a game. I have to admit I have booked many a box office boxing match when previously I had no intention of doing and i for one do get sucked in. My wee man loves the WWE and I end up watching it as I did when I was younger.
Lots of ways around sky blocking the sites,google it.
Use firefox,install an ad blocker and you'll never see a pop up.
Quote from: babarino on March 29, 2014, 12:34:21 AM
This is a load of dung. The founding principles of the GAA and SKY are polar opposites. The GAA suits are losing the run of themselves.
A lot worse has happened since 1884 than the GAA cashing in in its product. A lot, lot worse.
Looks like http://myp2p.ec/ will come in handy ;)
Quote from: babarino on March 29, 2014, 12:34:21 AM
This is a load of dung. The founding principles of the GAA and SKY are polar opposites. The GAA suits are losing the run of themselves.
Whatever you think about Rupert Murdoch or his organisation, you can't deny that Sky Sports' coverage is top class. I for one am looking forward it.
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
As much as ye all love the Connacht final I don't think Roscommon playing on Sky Sports will particularly negatively effect the future of the sport.
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:16:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
As much as ye all love the Connacht final I don't think Roscommon playing on Sky Sports will particularly negatively effect the future of the sport.
Maybe not, but big QFs/SFs like Tyrone/Kerry, Dublin/Kerry, Mayo/Dublin etc should be enjoyed free to all of us, especially the kids. They're the future Coopers, Brogans, Murphy's. No point spending money on coaches, centres etc if the kids can't see their heroes on TV, and aspire to be like them.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
.... A lot of scare mongering here :P
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
I have to disagree with Rugby League. The professional stance of Union was a shot to the heart for League and through the evolution of the sport should have killed it off. The Super League on SKY has kept invigorated a sport that would have died otherwise. You only have to look at the demise of the Challenge Cup which stayed within the ranks of the BBC for so long and it gradually lowered in importance of League faithful. The same can be said of the FA cup in soccer circles. SKY has its downfalls I do know that, Barry McGuigan was its bitch until he wanted more of the pie and got shot to the ground by Matchroom (Hearns Empire), the lad young Frampton would have been world champ by now, but there has hardly been a dickybird about him with exception of UTV. As much of a republican I claim to be be i know the Irish as a nation has been infiltrated by British society and culture throughout this Island and I feel somehow with acquisition of GAA, not only the British public but the British influenced societies (former colonies in Asia/Africa/south america etc) they will be receptive to our games given the right platform. Snooker and Darts were so popular with the 3/4 channel option in Britain in the 80/90s and when the commercialism of Sky came Darts split in half and you had a breakaway. The BBC backed BDO suffered slightly at the start and has survived because many working class couldnt afford SKY TV, but now they can and the PDC has taken-over big style.
Honestly who knows what's ahead of us with this partnership, but bullshit tweets from former players earning a living playing Aussie Rules (because partly to the dedication of their amateur coaches) stinks imho, we sell games rights every year to RTE and Setanta, WHAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO TURN DOWN THE OVERTURES OF sky tv. Our players are not paid but they presently get compensated for their efforts. The GAA will become professional if it takes off worldwide because the best players will want to play for the best team et al. If our games become a worldwide phenomenon then professionalism is an inevitability but thats a long way away. I just hope that Hurling semis and Final are involved in this set up.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:23:05 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:16:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
As much as ye all love the Connacht final I don't think Roscommon playing on Sky Sports will particularly negatively effect the future of the sport.
Maybe not, but big QFs/SFs like Tyrone/Kerry, Dublin/Kerry, Mayo/Dublin etc should be enjoyed free to all of us, especially the kids. They're the future Coopers, Brogans, Murphy's. No point spending money on coaches, centres etc if the kids can't see their heroes on TV, and aspire to be like them.
Emotion can't really come into business decisions. The GAA gains a lot in its potential reach with this move. You only need to look at the growth of American football (at mad hours) to see the power television exposure has. It may seem bad for the end consumer but it has every chance of being a huge success for the GAA down the road.
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:48:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:23:05 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:16:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
As much as ye all love the Connacht final I don't think Roscommon playing on Sky Sports will particularly negatively effect the future of the sport.
Maybe not, but big QFs/SFs like Tyrone/Kerry, Dublin/Kerry, Mayo/Dublin etc should be enjoyed free to all of us, especially the kids. They're the future Coopers, Brogans, Murphy's. No point spending money on coaches, centres etc if the kids can't see their heroes on TV, and aspire to be like them.
Emotion can't really come into business decisions. The GAA gains a lot in its potential reach with this move. You only need to look at the growth of American football (at mad hours) to see the power television exposure has. It may seem bad for the end consumer but it has every chance of being a huge success for the GAA down the road.
Er, that's the point I was making.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2014, 10:55:49 PM
Gaa is regional/provincial sport with limited scope for development outside it's cultural boundaries,
How many more Americans in Milwaukee and Indy, US college students, US National Guard soldiers, Frenchmen in Brittany, Spaniards in Galicia, and South Africans have to take up the game before people stop coming out with unfounded and flat out incorrect statements like this?
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 03:04:00 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:48:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:23:05 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 29, 2014, 02:16:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Boxing and Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
As much as ye all love the Connacht final I don't think Roscommon playing on Sky Sports will particularly negatively effect the future of the sport.
Maybe not, but big QFs/SFs like Tyrone/Kerry, Dublin/Kerry, Mayo/Dublin etc should be enjoyed free to all of us, especially the kids. They're the future Coopers, Brogans, Murphy's. No point spending money on coaches, centres etc if the kids can't see their heroes on TV, and aspire to be like them.
Emotion can't really come into business decisions. The GAA gains a lot in its potential reach with this move. You only need to look at the growth of American football (at mad hours) to see the power television exposure has. It may seem bad for the end consumer but it has every chance of being a huge success for the GAA down the road.
Er, that's the point I was making.
And the game has and always will be available on FTA. It has never been available on a platform as big as Sky Sports before.
The amount of skepticism here is baffling me. Maybe I'm just being naive, but can't we look at the positives of this deal instead of being dead set against it. I look forward to the potential international exposure our games could receive as a result of this deal. So guys, give it a chance before you knock it. :P
Quote from: BennyCake on March 29, 2014, 02:06:27 AM
Rugby League have went down the pan since they sold their souls to Rupert Murdoch. I fear Gaelic Games will join them.
This is just nonsense, rugby league has been revitalised under Sky.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 29, 2014, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2014, 10:55:49 PM
Gaa is regional/provincial sport with limited scope for development outside it's cultural boundaries,
How many more Americans in Milwaukee and Indy, US college students, US National Guard soldiers, Frenchmen in Brittany, Spaniards in Galicia, and South Africans have to take up the game before people stop coming out with unfounded and flat out incorrect statements like this?
Limited scope means limited scope. But every journey begins with a 1st step.
Quote from: trileacman on March 29, 2014, 12:21:55 AM
Can someone also explain how all this increased worldwide coverage is beneficial when you factor in the reduced coverage at home for people because they haven't the money for a subscription to SKY? Does the money that the GAA gained from the SKY deal have to be spent enticing back the punters they lost because the matches weren't free to air?
Sky might be getting some games, they are not getting exclusive rights to the championship so there'll be no lost punters. There isn't any down side to this as far as I can see and is in fact the very definition of a win win for the GAA.
Theme tune? I go for Blanket On The Ground.
Sky is like a TV version of the Daily Mail.
Very flash, lovely colours, slick, some interesting ideas but very repetitive and aimed at DM readers.
Cricket on BBC was much more interesting.
Is there a single man on here supporting this deal with Murdochs Sky who doesn't currently have Sky subscription?
I have a subscription to Sky sports and if they get some GAA matches I'll finally have a reason to watch it!
Quote from: J OGorman on March 29, 2014, 12:56:17 PM
Is there a single man on here supporting this deal with Murdochs Sky who doesn't currently have Sky subscription?
Yes - it is potentially very good for the game.
Dont be surprised if theres not too many though, whos gonna vote for extra outlay?!
I will support it tentatively. I don't have sky but local pub does. For me this is only worth doing if it promotes the games audiences and participation internationally. I haven't seen any detail yet.
What I really hope this will do is bring an armatuer game to the masses where people see a game largely played by ordinary people playing for the lands of their birth, for pride of place.
It can stand as a vanguard against mercenary professionalism. If it can show people that this level of sport can compete with and provide as much entertainment, if not more as professional games. That the modern professional sport model isn't the only way and if anything it might give meaning back to sports in a way that has been largely lost.
Somewhat idealistic and romantic view but it is what could be achieved in all this. That said, it could go completely the opposite way.
To me it's football provided by the people for the people. Each and every volunteer in every club. The door knockers bringing in the cash, underage coaches developing the players. These folk (you and I) should not, in my eyes, have to pay a subscription to watch 10 (if the number being bandied about is true) championship matches. 'Business' seems to be the word of the day in this thread...sounds scarily like how we often describe the soccer across the Irish sea
All this talk of promoting the games...would the championship final (not sure what this would be called) in say London or Philadelphia in 50 years time be a goal in the new world of Team Sky GAA? Or will we promote it but only so much so we in little old Ireland still have control
I couldn't disagree more. We are competing with soccer, rugby and 101 other sports and we need to be open to all options. RTE do a God awful job promoting the sports IMO and I'd have taken matches off them for Sky not TV3. Not sure why you are so dismissive of the international aspect of this, we are as much a part of the GAA as those at home.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
I couldn't disagree more. We are competing with soccer, rugby and 101 other sports and we need to be open to all options. RTE do a God awful job promoting the sports IMO and I'd have taken matches off them for Sky not TV3. Not sure why you are so dismissive of the international aspect of this, we are as much a part of the GAA as those at home.
I'm all for promotion, but not at the expense of the very people who make it all happen.
I've played football in a few countries, would be very supportive of the game abroad Zulu :-)
The quicker Sky come in the better. The commentary and analysis on Setanta here is brutal.
I see that Rachel Wyse has been tipped to head up Sky's GAA coverage. A lot easier on the eye than Marty Morrissey.
Quote from: Dag Dog on March 29, 2014, 08:58:14 PM
I see that Rachel Wyse has been tipped to head up Sky's GAA coverage. A lot easier on the eye than Marty Morrissey.
Start a campaign to get both of them presenting. They'd be good for each other.
I'm sure a Sky subsrciption would be cheaper than the €54 it cost to watch 1 bloody game i was interested in this evening on Setanta...... 2 month subsrciption minimum plus 15 connection fee.
At least with Sky its Sky Sports 1 & 2 equals €15 per month (30 for 1, 2, 3 & 4) and you can inform them of your cancellation (1 months notice) in a call immediately after your subscription call
Quote from: thejuice on March 29, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
I will support it tentatively. I don't have sky but local pub does. For me this is only worth doing if it promotes the games audiences and participation internationally. I haven't seen any detail yet.
What I really hope this will do is bring an armatuer game to the masses where people see a game largely played by ordinary people playing for the lands of their birth, for pride of place.
It can stand as a vanguard against mercenary professionalism. If it can show people that this level of sport can compete with and provide as much entertainment, if not more as professional games. That the modern professional sport model isn't the only way and if anything it might give meaning back to sports in a way that has been largely lost.
Somewhat idealistic and romantic view but it is what could be achieved in all this. That said, it could go completely the opposite way.
That's an interesting angle Juice. I suppose it depends on how Sky want to position it. If it's mostly an Irish focus , it'll have more of an Irish feel but there's also potential to be another sport on the telly- a bit different and there are (mostly) men all over the world who'll watch sport of any nature at any time of the day.
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Quote from: thejuice on March 29, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
I will support it tentatively. I don't have sky but local pub does. For me this is only worth doing if it promotes the games audiences and participation internationally. I haven't seen any detail yet.
What I really hope this will do is bring an armatuer game to the masses where people see a game largely played by ordinary people playing for the lands of their birth, for pride of place.
It can stand as a vanguard against mercenary professionalism. If it can show people that this level of sport can compete with and provide as much entertainment, if not more as professional games. That the modern professional sport model isn't the only way and if anything it might give meaning back to sports in a way that has been largely lost.
Somewhat idealistic and romantic view but it is what could be achieved in all this. That said, it could go completely the opposite way.
That's an interesting angle Juice. I suppose it depends on how Sky want to position it. If it's mostly an Irish focus , it'll have more of an Irish feel but there's also potential to be another sport on the telly- a bit different and there are (mostly) men all over the world who'll watch sport of any nature at any time of the day.
We are told that rte will also be showing the games that sky have so they will still be free to view. My worry is that sky will block out the signal to freeview rte customers just like they do with the champions league on Wednesday nights. This would mean a significant portion of the north wouldn't get to see big games without subscribing.
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
I couldn't disagree more. We are competing with soccer, rugby and 101 other sports and we need to be open to all options. RTE do a God awful job promoting the sports IMO and I'd have taken matches off them for Sky not TV3. Not sure why you are so dismissive of the international aspect of this, we are as much a part of the GAA as those at home.
I dunno Zulu. I think Marty and Spillane could be replaced by better people but it is very much audience dependent.
I watch sports on various channels and it is all pretty much of a muchness IMO - French TV is not much better than RTE, Swiss TV is worse, Austrian is around the same.
The 3 panelists in suits discussing the match opposite the straight presenter is a dead horse that has been flogged to death all over European TV . Sky tart it up with flashy graphics etc but you don't end up getting much more information than you get on RTE. If you want something a bit more highbrow you have to go online to places like this.....
That is one of the problems with telly nowadays- they have to aim at a very diverse audience of all ages and insights and it's not going to please everyone.
QuoteWe are told that rte will also be showing the games that sky have so they will still be free to view. My worry is that sky will block out the signal to freeview rte customers just like they do with the champions league on Wednesday nights. This would mean a significant portion of the north wouldn't get to see big games without subscribing.
Lenny i can't see how RTE would be allowed to show Sky matches. From what I have heard, Sky have 14 matches exclusively to themselves, and then also have the right to simulcast with RTE the semifinals and finals - so apart from those they'll never be on air at the same time. Why would Sky pay money for non-exclusive matches? They won;t have to block anything as RTE won't be allowed put those games on Saorview - it was the same with the TV3 contract last time.
I'm wondering though where BBC will fit in to the new equation?
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
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Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
+1
Seanie, while I think it might be valid to question the long term strategy Croke Park may have, I don't think Sky particularly have one, bar the fact that as a territory we are becoming more important to them.
They care about showing something Sky customers in Ireland want to see - whether it is amateur or professional means nothing to them except, as the juice mentioned a couple of pages ago, amateurism as romantic narrative to draw in new viewers in the Uk. Given the Guardian's unprecedented editorial on the hurling final, they may be picking up on a new desire in the UK viewing public for sport untainted by premier league excess.
The first changes towards "professionalism" will be Sky demanding team sheets a guaranteed hour before throw in, making sure games start on time, making sure TV facilities at grounds are improved etc. In other words the coverage will get better - I saw them do it with regard to the Heineken Cup.
With regard to what the GAA are looking to do long term, I just hope they do have a long term strategy - if they are doing it fpr for short-sighted reasons like clearing debt etc, then we could find ourselves in the quagmire you describe.
But if they honestly see a way to guarantee the amateur ethos, whilst maintaining themselves as viable commercial proposition then I'd love to hear it, and having heard it, support them along the way.
I just think the founders of the GAA in 1884 would have been as astounded/angry/confused with the GAA of 1984 as much as of the GAA of 2014. The only constant is change.
And thank God for that.
You hear the same lame excuses against change by conservatives or liberals in America - "Is this what the founders would do?"
If they were good founders they would understand the unstoppability of changing times and the need to adapt but really why would we give mind to old ghosts?
This is the GAA of 2014, not 1984 and certainly not 1884.
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2014, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
+1
So SKY get to show FOURTEEN games of the 50,000 or 100,000 (or whatever the number is) Gaelic games played in Ireland in a year and " it's the end of the GAA as we know it" .
Jasus lads would ye pair ever go to a doctor and get something to lighten ye up a biteen.
Seriously though - is this in fact happening or is it a tale to make RTE/TV3/BBC/UTV put up a few more €?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2014, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2014, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
+1
So SKY get to show FOURTEEN games of the 50,000 or 100,000 (or whatever the number is) Gaelic games played in Ireland in a year and " it's the end of the GAA as we know it" .
Jasus lads would ye pair ever go to a doctor and get something to lighten ye up a biteen.
Seriously though - is this in fact happening or is it a tale to make RTE/TV3/BBC/UTV put up a few more €?
It's you that needs to see someone by the looks of things. Making up a quote that clearly doesn't reflect what I said at all - what kind of an illness is that?
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
Seanie I've no doubt that at sometime in the near future someone will try to make the game professional.
But I've said for years, and I'll say it again, even with the best will in the world, they will fail miserably. You only have to look at how many people attend a Railway Cup match (or a Sigerson match), versus how many people attend Club Championship matches (or a McKenna Cup match), to understand that the overwhelming majority of GAA people go to watch their team, and not the players within that team.
The teams you follow are those you are born into, and as such are deep-rooted into your psyche.
And as a result, any attempts to go professional will need to take those teams with them. Which isn't going to happen as a) county boards will never surrender their control, b) there's at least 20 too many counties to make professional sport a viable option, c) spectators don't want it.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
Seanie I've no doubt that at sometime in the near future someone will try to make the game professional.
But I've said for years, and I'll say it again, even with the best will in the world, they will fail miserably. You only have to look at how many people attend a Railway Cup match (or a Sigerson match), versus how many people attend Club Championship matches (or a McKenna Cup match), to understand that the overwhelming majority of GAA people go to watch their team, and not the players within that team.
The teams you follow are those you are born into, and as such are deep-rooted into your psyche.
And as a result, any attempts to go professional will need to take those teams with them. Which isn't going to happen as a) county boards will never surrender their control, b) there's at least 20 too many counties to make professional sport a viable option, c) spectators don't want it.
Whilst I agree that spectators want to watch their own team, amateur rugby clubs had a massive following back in the day whilst club rugby has almost died and spectators have gone to watch The. If games. This is very, very unlikely to happen in GAA but it wouldn't be impossible for super clubs to evolve. The "smart fellas" in Croke Park who seemingly are constantly looking at improving the game and increasing revenue might decide that a super 16 of the top clubs in Ireland ( with most based in Dublin ) might make for an attractive advertising and spectating "product".
The GAA are by nature conservative but I wouldn't totally dismiss some form of professionalism ( virtually impossible ) or semi professionalism ( slightly more likely - let's face it we're not far off that in some places at the minute ).
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2014, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 30, 2014, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
+1
So SKY get to show FOURTEEN games of the 50,000 or 100,000 (or whatever the number is) Gaelic games played in Ireland in a year and " it's the end of the GAA as we know it" .
Jasus lads would ye pair ever go to a doctor and get something to lighten ye up a biteen.
Seriously though - is this in fact happening or is it a tale to make RTE/TV3/BBC/UTV put up a few more €?
Sky will want to show the big games like all Ireland qfs and sfs. If these aren't available free to view then its disgraceful.
They will still be available on terrestrial television. I think its great that Sky are getting involved, spread awareness of our great games. I'm sure all these arguments were bandied about when soccer and rugby turned professional.
Here's what Eugene Mc Gee had to say on the subject yesterday. It's not one of Eugene's real forceful pieces. It's a. It's a bit lukewarm but then again his hands are maybe a wee bit tied now after his success with the FRC committee but maybe I'm doing him a disservice by saying that. And while we're at it, what is the definition of a "true GAA fan"?
Giving away TV rights to Sky would be a betrayal of true GAA fans.
EUGENE MCGEE –
I have had several people on to me last week about the suggestion that the GAA is going to give one of the television championship packages, possibly 10 games, to Sky for the next few years.
The people who have contacted me are generally older people who live in rural Ireland and do not have Sky on their television simply because they cannot afford it and, indeed, most don't want it.
Young people who do not have Sky, regularly watch soccer games in local pubs, but the people I refer to won't do that because of the drink-driving laws.
These people have spent a lifetime following GAA games, very often as players, club officers or general volunteers. They will feel let down by the GAA if this proposal goes ahead and they are unable to watch big games in the summer.
Those men, and women, deserve better because when the GAA was in a far poorer state many years ago it was people like them who provided the structures on and off the field that contributed greatly to the strong Associastion of today.
Nobody doubts that, in several ways, Sky having a package of live games would be very attractive to a lot of people and those who constantly criticise RTE would be included in that.
But while there are flaws in 'The Sunday Game,' it is better than the vast majority of similar sports programmes that I have watched in many countries, so Sky fans might end up disappointed.
But the main point I want to make here is that thousands of older people will feel the GAA has let them down in their desire to rake in more money from television rights.
That is something the GAA should not treat lightly, no matter what Sky may bring to the table.
If Sky could be used to bring live games to America it would be much more important for the Irish diaspora and then the GAA could go out and challenge Irish stations to do a lot better.
Quote from: smort on March 31, 2014, 12:06:11 PM
They will still be available on terrestrial television. I think its great that Sky are getting involved, spread awareness of our great games. I'm sure all these arguments were bandied about when soccer and rugby turned professional.
Exactly what the concern is!
If these games will still be available on terrestrial television then great, it will jizz up the offering. But Sky will not pay a significant amount for games also being shown elsewhere.
The GAA needs some mechanism where members get a code to watch these things, without a separate subscription if they are not interested in the other Sky stuff.
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Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
Seanie I've no doubt that at sometime in the near future someone will try to make the game professional.
But I've said for years, and I'll say it again, even with the best will in the world, they will fail miserably. You only have to look at how many people attend a Railway Cup match (or a Sigerson match), versus how many people attend Club Championship matches (or a McKenna Cup match), to understand that the overwhelming majority of GAA people go to watch their team, and not the players within that team.
The teams you follow are those you are born into, and as such are deep-rooted into your psyche.
And as a result, any attempts to go professional will need to take those teams with them. Which isn't going to happen as a) county boards will never surrender their control, b) there's at least 20 too many counties to make professional sport a viable option, c) spectators don't want it.
Whilst I agree that spectators want to watch their own team, amateur rugby clubs had a massive following back in the day whilst club rugby has almost died and spectators have gone to watch The. If games. This is very, very unlikely to happen in GAA but it wouldn't be impossible for super clubs to evolve. The "smart fellas" in Croke Park who seemingly are constantly looking at improving the game and increasing revenue might decide that a super 16 of the top clubs in Ireland ( with most based in Dublin ) might make for an attractive advertising and spectating "product".
The GAA are by nature conservative but I wouldn't totally dismiss some form of professionalism ( virtually impossible ) or semi professionalism ( slightly more likely - let's face it we're not far off that in some places at the minute ).
I'd suggest the key difference is that rugby has always been a provincial game in Ireland. While the club game was undoubtedly a bigger deal pre-professionalism, the natural order was club -> province -> country. Even the club leagues are run on a provincial basis.
So when that sport went professional, they'd an easy and clear path to getting there: 4 super clubs based on existing regional boundaries, support, and feeder clubs.
There's 32 such boundaries in the GAA.
Quote from: orangeman on March 31, 2014, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
Seanie I've no doubt that at sometime in the near future someone will try to make the game professional.
But I've said for years, and I'll say it again, even with the best will in the world, they will fail miserably. You only have to look at how many people attend a Railway Cup match (or a Sigerson match), versus how many people attend Club Championship matches (or a McKenna Cup match), to understand that the overwhelming majority of GAA people go to watch their team, and not the players within that team.
The teams you follow are those you are born into, and as such are deep-rooted into your psyche.
And as a result, any attempts to go professional will need to take those teams with them. Which isn't going to happen as a) county boards will never surrender their control, b) there's at least 20 too many counties to make professional sport a viable option, c) spectators don't want it.
Whilst I agree that spectators want to watch their own team, amateur rugby clubs had a massive following back in the day whilst club rugby has almost died and spectators have gone to watch The. If games. This is very, very unlikely to happen in GAA but it wouldn't be impossible for super clubs to evolve. The "smart fellas" in Croke Park who seemingly are constantly looking at improving the game and increasing revenue might decide that a super 16 of the top clubs in Ireland ( with most based in Dublin ) might make for an attractive advertising and spectating "product".
The GAA are by nature conservative but I wouldn't totally dismiss some form of professionalism ( virtually impossible ) or semi professionalism ( slightly more likely - let's face it we're not far off that in some places at the minute ).
The only ones likely to be interested in super clubs mostly based in Dublin will be Dubs and even then the parochial nature of GAA followers would be of the opinion that if its not my club I'm not interested.
As someone has already said, people don't necessarily turn up to see the top players, they turn up to see their teams, hence the reason the provincial finals smattered with top footballers and hurlers from the provinces fail to get much of a crowd.
You can be sure that if there is any significant significant viewing figres for the Sky GAA package and they see a bit of growth potential in it the next step will be Sky getting the GPA to set up a professional game in Ireland. It might initially hafta be a hybrid to suit soccer or rugby grounds but you can be sure the GAA will not be included in any way shape of form. This is turkeys voting for christmas.
quick summary of the thread thus far:
* sky will be broadcasting 14 matches
* sky will be broadcasting 10 games (TV3 current matches)
* sky matches will be available on terrestrial tv
* sky matches will not be available of terrestrial
* sky matches will be available on terrestrial but blocked in certain jurisdictions
* drink driving is down in rural areas
if the big Sky deal does go through, Joe Brolly's parting soundbite will be "Rte who?"
Quote from: J OGorman on March 31, 2014, 12:37:00 PM
quick summary of the thread thus far:
* sky will be broadcasting 14 matches
* sky will be broadcasting 10 games (TV3 current matches)
* sky matches will be available on terrestrial tv
* sky matches will not be available of terrestrial
* sky matches will be available on terrestrial but blocked in certain jurisdictions
* drink driving is down in rural areas
if the big Sky deal does go through, Joe Brolly's parting soundbite will be "Rte who?"
You left out
* the GAA/GPA will bring in professionalism ;)
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 31, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
You can be sure that if there is any significant significant viewing figres for the Sky GAA package and they see a bit of growth potential in it the next step will be Sky getting the GPA to set up a professional game in Ireland. It might initially hafta be a hybrid to suit soccer or rugby grounds but you can be sure the GAA will not be included in any way shape of form. This is turkeys voting for christmas.
Sorry but that's paranoid nonsense.
QuoteBut the main point I want to make here is that thousands of older people will feel the GAA has let them down in their desire to rake in more money from television rights.
Did Eugene make that point when the GAA themselves, supported by many 'true' GAA fans, reduced the number of games they televised a few years ago?
Is TV3 available in the north?
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 31, 2014, 01:21:17 PM
Is TV3 available in the north?
reception can be ropey enough where I'm at, the north coast would have a few problems i'd say.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 12:19:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 31, 2014, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 30, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on March 30, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Sky getting in on the act and illegal transfers to big clubs being let happen the GAA is starting to let things slip in my opinion.
Things have been slipping for a while. Slipping from the old style values some of us think are important.
I've come to realise that we are on an unavoidable path to a form of professional game. Cultivation of new markets has to be part of this for sustainability reasons. Getting involved with SKY TV was more of a "when" not "if" question. How many teams (franchises) will there be? Depends on how well this goes I'd reckon.
Some people think I'm crackers saying this but I reckon it's a nailed on certainty to happen. I'm a little saddened by it but a clean break between club and "county" might not be the worst thing if it's managed correctly.
Seanie I've no doubt that at sometime in the near future someone will try to make the game professional.
But I've said for years, and I'll say it again, even with the best will in the world, they will fail miserably. You only have to look at how many people attend a Railway Cup match (or a Sigerson match), versus how many people attend Club Championship matches (or a McKenna Cup match), to understand that the overwhelming majority of GAA people go to watch their team, and not the players within that team.
The teams you follow are those you are born into, and as such are deep-rooted into your psyche.
And as a result, any attempts to go professional will need to take those teams with them. Which isn't going to happen as a) county boards will never surrender their control, b) there's at least 20 too many counties to make professional sport a viable option, c) spectators don't want it.
Whilst I agree that spectators want to watch their own team, amateur rugby clubs had a massive following back in the day whilst club rugby has almost died and spectators have gone to watch The. If games. This is very, very unlikely to happen in GAA but it wouldn't be impossible for super clubs to evolve. The "smart fellas" in Croke Park who seemingly are constantly looking at improving the game and increasing revenue might decide that a super 16 of the top clubs in Ireland ( with most based in Dublin ) might make for an attractive advertising and spectating "product".
The GAA are by nature conservative but I wouldn't totally dismiss some form of professionalism ( virtually impossible ) or semi professionalism ( slightly more likely - let's face it we're not far off that in some places at the minute ).
I'd suggest the key difference is that rugby has always been a provincial game in Ireland. While the club game was undoubtedly a bigger deal pre-professionalism, the natural order was club -> province -> country. Even the club leagues are run on a provincial basis.
So when that sport went professional, they'd an easy and clear path to getting there: 4 super clubs based on existing regional boundaries, support, and feeder clubs.
There's 32 such boundaries in the GAA.
Thewobbler - I take your points but I think it has been proven time and time again that if the money is there, a "solution" will be found. The whole "grants/additional expenses" farcical charade is a prime example. People will adjust to the new reality and if the pro game isn't for them, they'll always have the club scene. I'm not advocating this - I simply do not see it ending up any other way. There's too much money to be made, especailly if the likes of Sky get involved.
Seanie, there's only money to be made if the product is concentrated on a small, high quality group of people.
Professional rugby in Ireland has maybe 120 full time players and maybe another 80 part-time/development players. Or put another way, enough to fill out 6 or 7 GAA squads.
The only reason they can afford those playing numbers is down to Ireland's home games in the 6N and November series. Which the GAA, even it was called SkyGAAgo, would have absolutely nothing to compare.
Yet despite the international income, there are regular calls to close Connacht down, simply to balance the books.
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But more pertinent is this. Imagine Ireland's 4 provinces only ever played each other, and to generate the gate/TV money to pay their players, had to do so 4 or 5 times a season; basically on a giant roundabout. How much spectator/TV traction do you think there'd be left after 3 or 4 years?
The answer is none.
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It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Good man Wobbler bringing a bit of common sense in to counter the paranoia.
Rugby was able to go Pro because it has an International outlet giving 2 international competitions for their professional clubs.
And of course the absolute €millions their 6 Nations thingy raises.
For the GAA to go professional - even if for only 12 "franchises" you'd need 300 players, 60 or 70 team management and maybe 100 back room admin etc. 470 x €70,000 = c€33m. I doubt if Sky will be paying that. sort of money. Add in travel, Ground rents, insurance, match day expenses and complete lack of international outlet or variety of fixtures.......
Won't be happening any time soon and anyway with a GAA audience of 5 million people less the old, the uninterested, the very young, other sports etc totally unfeasable.
Dream team.
Marty Morrissey
Martin Carney
Pat Spillane
I'd agree largely with Seanie and say that the GAA could never fund or sustain a professional structure. The numbers just don't stack up. Counties are already on their feet paying the running costs of a county team without adding payroll into it. To set up a franchise or regional system how do you target it? Majority based in Dublin? The GAA heartland isn't in the urban areas round the country but in the smaller rural communities who I don't think would have any interest in a team based elsewhere.
Monaghan on a crest of a wave at the minute, position has never been as positive with everything going well. A match yesterday that would go a long way to securing Div 1 status yesterday - about 2,300 people at it, mind you the venue, reserve matches fixed and mothers day probably knocked the attendence. I've said it before but the GAA county scene is the biggest bandwagon in the country and I'd include myself on that. The majority of county supporters tog out for the big championship days and that's it.
I could count the number of people from the club who go to county games on one hand for the NFL - very few players or coaches would have any sort of interest in it bar an Ulster final or big summer day out.
Putting in place any sort of professional structure or pay for play would only further erode a connection between the community and the intercounty player.
I see the likes of Parkinson and Mortimor having a kitty fit on twitter on Friday about the sky deal and the players been left out in the cold. You'd expect it from them. The likes of Philip Jordan and Kevin Cassidy quickly put Parkinson in his place and had a more realistic approach to it.
TBH I'd have no issue with the GAA issuing 'International' rights to all the major games if it meant taking them out of the going down to the local pub to watch a game which would be pretty common in the states and hardly conducive to family viewing and opening up the audience to a new audience.
But International rights would not nee to include the 6 counties as that would be a balls up for a 32 county organisation such as the GAA.
Quote from: Bingo on March 31, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
I'd agree largely with Seanie and say that the GAA could never fund or sustain a professional structure. The numbers just don't stack up. Counties are already on their feet paying the running costs of a county team without adding payroll into it. To set up a franchise or regional system how do you target it? Majority based in Dublin? The GAA heartland isn't in the urban areas round the country but in the smaller rural communities who I don't think would have any interest in a team based elsewhere.
Monaghan on a crest of a wave at the minute, position has never been as positive with everything going well. A match yesterday that would go a long way to securing Div 1 status yesterday - about 2,300 people at it, mind you the venue, reserve matches fixed and mothers day probably knocked the attendence. I've said it before but the GAA county scene is the biggest bandwagon in the country and I'd include myself on that. The majority of county supporters tog out for the big championship days and that's it.
I could count the number of people from the club who go to county games on one hand for the NFL - very few players or coaches would have any sort of interest in it bar an Ulster final or big summer day out.
Putting in place any sort of professional structure or pay for play would only further erode a connection between the community and the intercounty player.
I see the likes of Parkinson and Mortimor having a kitty fit on twitter on Friday about the sky deal and the players been left out in the cold. You'd expect it from them. The likes of Philip Jordan and Kevin Cassidy quickly put Parkinson in his place and had a more realistic approach to it.
Part of the reason for this, and i include my self in this, is that there is so much time and effort put into the club game, that for alot of people heavily involved , when a county weekend comes around , it is more a chance to get a weekend off rather than go and watch more football.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 31, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: Bingo on March 31, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
I'd agree largely with Seanie and say that the GAA could never fund or sustain a professional structure. The numbers just don't stack up. Counties are already on their feet paying the running costs of a county team without adding payroll into it. To set up a franchise or regional system how do you target it? Majority based in Dublin? The GAA heartland isn't in the urban areas round the country but in the smaller rural communities who I don't think would have any interest in a team based elsewhere.
Monaghan on a crest of a wave at the minute, position has never been as positive with everything going well. A match yesterday that would go a long way to securing Div 1 status yesterday - about 2,300 people at it, mind you the venue, reserve matches fixed and mothers day probably knocked the attendence. I've said it before but the GAA county scene is the biggest bandwagon in the country and I'd include myself on that. The majority of county supporters tog out for the big championship days and that's it.
I could count the number of people from the club who go to county games on one hand for the NFL - very few players or coaches would have any sort of interest in it bar an Ulster final or big summer day out.
Putting in place any sort of professional structure or pay for play would only further erode a connection between the community and the intercounty player.
I see the likes of Parkinson and Mortimor having a kitty fit on twitter on Friday about the sky deal and the players been left out in the cold. You'd expect it from them. The likes of Philip Jordan and Kevin Cassidy quickly put Parkinson in his place and had a more realistic approach to it.
Part of the reason for this, and i include my self in this, is that there is so much time and effort put into the club game, that for alot of people heavily involved , when a county weekend comes around , it is more a chance to get a weekend off rather than go and watch more football.
Yes that would be a valid point alright. I would have enjoyed going to county matches cause you could relax and enjoy them but now its another 2/3 hours away from the house.
But outside of that I do think a gap is developing between the club and county scene - its a one way street in terms of been told when you see your county players, when you fixtures are to be played and pulled, you give us XX amount, county teams spend xxx amount, etc etc. Its like clubs are after thoughts and a lot of good club people see this and don't feel the connection as much.
Has this been posted yet?
http://historyhub.ie/wp-content/files_mf/1365161079Paul_Rouse_PayTv.pdf
From the conclusions:
"Alongside the creation of elites within sports comes the reinforcement of divides
amongst those who watch on television. The strength of universal public service
broadcasting is that it provides equality of access to every community within a
country – pay-tv subverts this equality. The evidence is everywhere: when a
sport moves to pay-tv, people who are older or poorer or who live in rural areas
are substantially less likely to be able to watch it, regardless of their interest in
or commitment to that sport. But, even in cities, significantly fewer people watch
sport on pay-tv than watch it on free-to-air channels. "
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why?
So much panic.
You'd need to be bringing in a lot of money before we'd be anywhere close to going pro. Even if the rights were sold for $10 million, that sounds like a lot of money but it's not when you reinvest it back into the association. It spreads thin over the 32 counties of Ireland and all the international units.
Quote from: orangeman on March 31, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
Here's what Eugene Mc Gee had to say on the subject yesterday. It's not one of Eugene's real forceful pieces. It's a. It's a bit lukewarm but then again his hands are maybe a wee bit tied now after his success with the FRC committee but maybe I'm doing him a disservice by saying that. And while we're at it, what is the definition of a "true GAA fan"?
Giving away TV rights to Sky would be a betrayal of true GAA fans.
EUGENE MCGEE –
I have had several people on to me last week about the suggestion that the GAA is going to give one of the television championship packages, possibly 10 games, to Sky for the next few years.
The people who have contacted me are generally older people who live in rural Ireland and do not have Sky on their television simply because they cannot afford it and, indeed, most don't want it.
Young people who do not have Sky, regularly watch soccer games in local pubs, but the people I refer to won't do that because of the drink-driving laws.
These people have spent a lifetime following GAA games, very often as players, club officers or general volunteers. They will feel let down by the GAA if this proposal goes ahead and they are unable to watch big games in the summer.
Those men, and women, deserve better because when the GAA was in a far poorer state many years ago it was people like them who provided the structures on and off the field that contributed greatly to the strong Associastion of today.
Nobody doubts that, in several ways, Sky having a package of live games would be very attractive to a lot of people and those who constantly criticise RTE would be included in that.
But while there are flaws in 'The Sunday Game,' it is better than the vast majority of similar sports programmes that I have watched in many countries, so Sky fans might end up disappointed.
But the main point I want to make here is that thousands of older people will feel the GAA has let them down in their desire to rake in more money from television rights.
That is something the GAA should not treat lightly, no matter what Sky may bring to the table.
If Sky could be used to bring live games to America it would be much more important for the Irish diaspora and then the GAA could go out and challenge Irish stations to do a lot better.
They're not being "given away", Eugene. They're being sold. And not for all matches as you imply. Painting a picture of poor rural old people deprived of the ability to watch any more GAA matches on TV? You might want to cut back on the hyperbole and get a few facts straight before putting pen to paper.
Facts don't seem to stop you posting crap.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 31, 2014, 01:21:17 PM
Is TV3 available in the north?
It's not available on freeview which a significant portion of the population use to access rte1 rte2 and tg4. Quite a few people are able to access saorview though and therefore have all the southern channels. Probably about half of gaa fans in the north are unable to access the tv3 games free to view.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
I personally think it would be a good move for the gaa to let sky get involved. The games are crying out for a bit of marketing and sky are excellent at this as can be seen from the success of other sports such as darts.
Rugby currently gets huge marketing in this country. You'd think to listen to the media it was by far and away the number one sport in the country. Yet it only has a fraction of the players or members of the gaa. It also attracts considerably less numbers to its games in the country and was well behind the gaa in the tv ratings last year with the gaa having 6 of the top 10 watched sports programmes. I would often check the tv ratings on tg4 their site and the gaa league games beat the magners league nearly every week. But despite this it gets all the back page headlines and hype from the radio stations and gets more coverage on sports bulletins. Guinness are now giving it huge marketing too with pubs up and down the country flying support Irish rugby Guinness flags.
The gaa is still out in front but needs to start fighting back and competing with this and using to the county games to keep the games high in people's minds. The tyrone Dublin league games showed what the gaa can do when it puts its mind to it but sadly for some reason they didn't try to build on this and the marketing of the Dublin games is well down. Why they didn't try to kick of the league very year with a huge lights display/fireworks and making it a national gaa celebration day I don't know. Saturday nights repeat of the all Ireland was an excellent game and great opportunity to promote the games but the Leinster rugby crowd kicked the gaa's ass at selling their game.
Obviously the semi finals on should be on free view but before this I'd be happy for a deal to be done with sky. There marketing would be a great boost for the game. Rte to me don't deserve any special favours. I've no doubt they spend more in the year on rugby and soccer and pay lip service to the gaa for 9 months of the year. Look at their league sunday and lack of effort for it. Their pundits spend their time criticising the games and do nothing to promote it.
Apart from sky's marketing expertise they would also bring the games to a wider audience which can only be positive. For some reason people are very quick to complain in the gaa about anything new and want the organisation to stand still and not try to continue to improve itself. It takes money to run the organisation and the more money we have the more it can be used to develop our games. If we'd set still there'd be no modern day croke park for example.
Quote from: Zulu on March 31, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
Quote from: Black Card on March 31, 2014, 07:41:24 PM
Facts don't seem to stop you posting crap.
Well. I really don't know what to say to that.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
Only if the GPA has their way. All the indigenous development in the games outside of Ireland so far has been very much inside the GAA's tent.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 31, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
Ah Jesus will ya stop. Think about what you've just said, American, British, German, Spanish or South African kids playing football or hurling is a bad thing, really? And what in the blue heaven do Sky want???
To listen to some lads around here you'd think there's nothing to developing a worldwide professional sport. I really don't get the lunacy that takes over some in the GAA when it comes to this type of thing.
A sporting behemoth like the NFL has failed, despite a few serious efforts, to develop American football as a viable professional entity outside America. And some lads reckon the GAA can do it with a few bob from Sky??? Jesus wept, what the hell do Sky care if GAA goes pro or not??
We've reached a new low in GAA warped thinking when fans of the sport don't want other people taking up the game. ::) ::)
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It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
How......? What the.....? Sky get what they want? I'm actually lost for words. This is a mental post and the plain absurdity of it beggars belief. I'm glad the lads in GAA clubs abroad aren't doing any real harm to you proper GAA men.
Well said Zulu and Benny. Some right clownish posts on this subject God help us.
And for that Eamoncal's info the GPA are well inside the GAA tent too so please lose the paranoia/obsession.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
Well said Zulu and Benny. Some right clownish posts on this subject God help us.
Whether or not you agree, I don't think that an opinion that overseas development is a essentially a distraction to the GAA should be characterised as clownish.
Edit: further confirmation of Sky deal on RTÉ 11am news, perhaps it is all an April Fool!
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Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
Ah Jesus will ya stop. Think about what you've just said, American, British, German, Spanish or South African kids playing football or hurling is a bad thing, really? And what in the blue heaven do Sky want???
To listen to some lads around here you'd think there's nothing to developing a worldwide professional sport. I really don't get the lunacy that takes over some in the GAA when it comes to this type of thing.
A sporting behemoth like the NFL has failed, despite a few serious efforts, to develop American football as a viable professional entity outside America. And some lads reckon the GAA can do it with a few bob from Sky??? Jesus wept, what the hell do Sky care if GAA goes pro or not??
We've reached a new low in GAA warped thinking when fans of the sport don't want other people taking up the game. ::) ::)
a sport like gridiron with its 100 players / team, ad breaks every 2 mins, players dressed up like there are gonna defuse a bomb etc could only exist in the U.S.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
Well said Zulu and Benny. Some right clownish posts on this subject God help us.
Whether or not you agree, I don't think that an opinion that overseas development is a essentially a distraction to the GAA should be characterised as clownish.
Edit: further confirmation of Sky deal on RTÉ 11am news, perhaps it is all an April Fool!
You suggested that non-Irish people playing GAA around the world would lead to Sky getting what it wanted (whatever the hell that is?) was completely and utterly ridiculous and you haven't been able to defend it.
Can you even elaborate on how it is a distraction?
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Quote from: Zulu on March 31, 2014, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 31, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
It doesn't add up Seanie. We may end up in a scenario where there are a small number of professionals within a county team, in much the same manner that cricket and rugby used to work in Ireland i.e. some counties will find the money (through sponsorship) to allow a handful of players to give up "normal" work. But in return they're a paid employee of their team (county board) and will do what's asked of them, from coaching and administration, through to cleaning toilets.
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing; it's a person making a living, and It's happening informally across the country at present. Supply and demand though will ensure it never gets beyond these levels.
This is fair comment. However some people here seem to envisage people playing GAA in South America, Africa and Antarctica. This type of international development is not desirable, in my opinion. Fortunately is is entirely unlikely.
Why on earth is it not desirable?
As long as GAA teams abroad are a place for a few emigrants to get together, there is no real harm in them. But if they develop a life of their own then they will be outside the control of the GAA and Sky will get what they want.
Ah Jesus will ya stop. Think about what you've just said, American, British, German, Spanish or South African kids playing football or hurling is a bad thing, really? And what in the blue heaven do Sky want???
To listen to some lads around here you'd think there's nothing to developing a worldwide professional sport. I really don't get the lunacy that takes over some in the GAA when it comes to this type of thing.
A sporting behemoth like the NFL has failed, despite a few serious efforts, to develop American football as a viable professional entity outside America. And some lads reckon the GAA can do it with a few bob from Sky??? Jesus wept, what the hell do Sky care if GAA goes pro or not??
We've reached a new low in GAA warped thinking when fans of the sport don't want other people taking up the game. ::) ::)
a sport like gridiron with its 100 players / team, ad breaks every 2 mins, players dressed up like there are gonna defuse a bomb etc could only exist in the U.S.
The NFL is a case study in the power of television in developing sports aboard.
I do not agree with GAA games going to paid subscriptions.
They should all be free to air on both for everyone both North and South.
I have already stopped going to lots of away games as I simply can't justify the cost of fuel for some of them, depending on where they are.
I am not going to the Down Laois game, as it will cost about £50 to get there.
I don't tend to watch many games on TV, but if I'm not doing anything of a Saturday or sunday and there is a game on I do tend to watch it, especially the championship, so if it's not on I won't be watching them - the gaa has a lot of viewers like me, and we won't be paying subsciptions.
I don't currently have a sky subscription at all and to get one with sky sports would be £37 a month - no way would i pay that to watch 10 games a year and I have no interest in any other sports.
Sell skys the rights to simulcast by all means but the games should be free to air, and preferably on RTE (without SKY being able to block RTE).
Don't see the issue to be honest. Wonder who will head it up in terms of anchor, reporters etc..
Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News
Why go to a match when you can complain about Sky showing it?
IF the negotiations between Croke Park and Sky run smoothly, the GAA will announce details of its new TV and radio rights deal today or tomorrow.
There has been widespread speculation that Sky Sports has secured the exclusive broadcast rights to 14 Championship games. But those 14 games are only part of Sky's package. In addition to acquiring eight Saturday evening Qualifiers, two Saturday evening and two Sunday provincial Championship games, and two All-Ireland football quarter-finals, Sky has also purchased 'simulcast rights' to the semi-finals and finals of the All-Ireland football and hurling Championships. That's an additional six matches, which brings Sky's total for the summer to 20.
There is now a distinct possibility that RTE and Sky Sports 3 will be showing the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals at the same time. Subscribers to Sky Sports will be able to choose between the two channels.
Contrary to some reports, RTE's coverage will remain largely unaffected. During last year's Championship, RTE showed 31 games. For the next three years, RTE will continue to show 31 games. Their package includes all the provincial finals. The BBC will continue to cover the games in the Ulster Championship which are broadcast by RTE.
The big losers are TV3, the station which showed nine games in last year's Championship. TV3 are no longer part of the equation. Given that TV3 isn't available in huge chunks of the North, there will not be a huge amount of weeping about that particular revelation.
Under the last deal, RTE (31) and TV3 (nine) broadcast a total of 40 Championship games. From 2014 to 2017, it will be possible to watch 45 games, 31 on RTE, and another 14 for those who are willing to sign up to Sky Sports. Even before the details of the GAA's TV rights deal have been confirmed, the backlash has started. Former Kerry footballer Tommy Walsh, who joined the Sydney Swans five years ago, outlined his views via Twitter.
Walsh wrote: "So our 'amateur' game is now being sold to Sky? There is no other sport in the world where players and supporters are taken advantage of more!"
Derry County Board chairman John Keenan has voiced his opposition to games being broadcast on subscription channels. "I would not favour asking our patrons to pay to watch gaelic games [on TV]. I am in favour of having all our games being available to all classes and creeds," said Keenan.
A few years ago, I would have been in total agreement with the Derry chairman. However, my views on this issue have changed somewhat. For the continued promotion of gaelic games, it remains extremely important that matches are aired on free-to-air television.
But let's consider the amount of fixtures which are available on RTE and TG4. Under the new deal, RTE will show 31 Championship games. TG4 will show 62 live and 22 deferred games. That's 93 live games.
Now, let's examine the identity of your stereotypical armchair viewer.
John Keenan's native county Derry represents an excellent case-study. The county has a population of roughly 250,000. Sunday's home game against Kildare attracted a crowd of 2,429. That's equates to less than one per cent of the population.
Using this formula, Dublin don't fare much better. Saturday night's attendance of approximately 22,000 in Croke Park might sound good. But Dublin is a city of nearly 1.5 million. That crowd represents about two per cent of the population.
The bottom line is the vast majority of television viewers never darken the turnstile of a GAA ground. They don't pay into county games. They don't support their clubs. They don't pay club memberships. They contribute nothing.
Why are these people automatically entitled to watch every GAA game free-of-charge? Where is it written that all gaelic football and hurling matches must be broadcast on terrestrial channels?
Let's not forget that for the purpose of this debate, we are talking about the loss of nine games from a station which wasn't even available nationwide. Naturally, once Sky enters the arena, the GAA will be accused of succumbing to corporate greed. But this is just a lazy sound-bite, which is normally flung around by people who know nothing about the GAA.
Just look at Croke Park's two leading figures. The director-general is Paraic Duffy, a dyedin-the-wool GAA man, who never misses a Monaghan game. As a character, Duffy is about as far removed from a corporate fat cat as you can get. He is the former principal of St Macartan's, Monaghan.
The GAA president is Liam O'Neill. Cut from much the same cloth as Duffy, the Laois man is the principal of a primary school. While the GAA's commercial director Peter McKenna might have headed the negotiations with Sky, he would have taken his direction from Duffy and O'Neill. It's understood that the GAA will not make a huge amount of money from Sky. Next year's financial figures will show that the new contract will net a marginally larger figure than the last deal. Croke Park's main motivation for allowing Sky to join the table goes back to the primary purpose of the GAA - they believe it's the best way for the Association to promote its games, not just in Ireland but in Britain and further afield.
If the National League is a taster for the Championship, there is no reason why gaelic games can't attract a wider audience.
If Irish people can become avid fans of American football, it is not beyond the realms of fantasy that the Scottish, English and Welsh will start watching football and hurling.
There is no doubt that Tommy Walsh will have voiced the sentiments of many people. But the GAA has no need to apologise for this deal. The GAA is perfectly entitled to sell their games to whomever they please.
It's hardly corporate greed when 80 per cent of all revenue is redistributed to the provincial councils and county boards. Besides, there are plenty of games on terrestrial television - 93 of them to be exact.
The armchair viewers who want to see more, but who don't want to subscribe to Sky, always have the option of getting off their backsides and going to one.
RTE will have to up their game now. Their coverage has been lousy for years.
I have to say, i agree with Paddy Heaney.
If anything, it will lead to MORE games being available to watch on tv, not less.
Yeah, more games if you pay for them. It'll be 14 this time but come 2017 and the end of this imminent deal, I'd expect it to go the whole hog.
Still, as long as the jerseys are of Irish manufacture.
Huge contradictions in the positions here -
"I want free to air coverage available North and South."
"Let them simulcast with sky by all means but remain free to air."
Here is something that may surprise a lot of people - covering a match costs a lot of money. To cover a match well costs even more. I'm assuming in point 1 you want the coverage to be good? As good as other sports seem to get from other channels? Costs a lot of money, and, quite frankly, neither RTE or TV3 have the resources to come anywhere near a Sky/BBC/ITV production. But because we live in a territory where the majority of people were able to see BBC coverage of sports and then latterly subscribed to Sky, we feel we can slag away at the coverage of GAA. It is a false comparison. Lads, RTE didn't cover provincial championships live until 1995! The Premier League was four years old at that stage.
So then in point 2, we say let Sky cover away - but not exclusively. I'm sorry, the deal as it stands may be right, may be wrong depending on what opinion you hold, but the idea that Sky would pay to coevr GAA matches on a subscription channel while RTE covers them on FTA is absurd - there is no logic to that statment. It actually smacks of such arrogance "Yeah we'll take their dirty money, but we won't give them any kind of consideration in return."
Who do we think we are lads? Sky are the biggest sports commercial broadcaster. We entered the commercial rights market ten years ago with Setanta - the days of turning up our noses at the realities of pay per view should be gone. As Bernard Shaw said to the Duchess, we know what you are, now we're just deciding the price.
We can decide to keep our games free to air and give them to RTE to cover each year - fine, but please let's not bitch and moan about the coverage they provide when it is a monopoly.
Or we can give Championship games to Sky as well, get some money for it but have them on a subscription basis - but please let's not wail about our loss of innocence, when we started Pay Per View games with a different company 10 years ago.
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 01, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
Huge contradictions in the positions here -
"I want free to air coverage available North and South."
"Let them simulcast with sky by all means but remain free to air."
Here is something that may surprise a lot of people - covering a match costs a lot of money. To cover a match well costs even more. I'm assuming in point 1 you want the coverage to be good? As good as other sports seem to get from other channels? Costs a lot of money, and, quite frankly, neither RTE or TV3 have the resources to come anywhere near a Sky/BBC/ITV production. But because we live in a territory where the majority of people were able to see BBC coverage of sports and then latterly subscribed to Sky, we feel we can slag away at the coverage of GAA. It is a false comparison. Lads, RTE didn't cover provincial championships live until 1995! The Premier League was four years old at that stage.
So then in point 2, we say let Sky cover away - but not exclusively. I'm sorry, the deal as it stands may be right, may be wrong depending on what opinion you hold, but the idea that Sky would pay to coevr GAA matches on a subscription channel while RTE covers them on FTA is absurd - there is no logic to that statment. It actually smacks of such arrogance "Yeah we'll take their dirty money, but we won't give them any kind of consideration in return."
Who do we think we are lads? Sky are the biggest sports commercial broadcaster. We entered the commercial rights market ten years ago with Setanta - the days of turning up our noses at the realities of pay per view should be gone. As Bernard Shaw said to the Duchess, we know what you are, now we're just deciding the price.
We can decide to keep our games free to air and give them to RTE to cover each year - fine, but please let's not bitch and moan about the coverage they provide when it is a monopoly.
Or we can give Championship games to Sky as well, get some money for it but have them on a subscription basis - but please let's not wail about our loss of innocence, when we started Pay Per View games with a different company 10 years ago.
You are right, sky probabably wouldn't want a simulcast deal, but there is nothing to stop it being offered, so its not really a contradiction - as long as the games are available free to air in Ireland, then I couldn't care less if Sky, Setanta, BT Sports or anyone else also shows them.
As for the quality, I would prefer poorer quality games broadcast free than excellent quality coverage paid for through sky.
I'm not really that bothered about sky having 14 games or so, but how long is it before they are all subscription only?
I have only got RTE in the last about 6 years, and I have loved being able to see other counties play. I will get of off the sofa and go to my own county games but rarely would go see any other county.
http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/13260/2/Gift_Sky_Sports_GAA
Well Lazer, you might be lucky - if Sky do get it, they may not have any Ulster championship games. The large majority of games will be an RTE, so hopefully you'll get to see the games you want. Also, not sure where BBC NI fit in - they could still have their quota of games as well.
I think too many are making the comparison between SKY and going professional, many seem to think this is a windfall.
And I can't see the situation arising where SKY will ever have exclusive rights to the games.
Before Bill Whelan and Riverdance Irish dancing was on a small scale in a couple of countries and you could follow it and participate in it without having to have a pile of money.
Now it's massive in about 50 + countries in the world and participation levels are unbelievable. Whether by accident or design, participation costs have rocketed. It's big, big bucks now to be part of it.
Quote from: Bingo on April 01, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
I think too many are making the comparison between SKY and going professional, many seem to think this is a windfall.
And I can't see the situation arising where SKY will ever have exclusive rights to the games.
If media reports are correct, Sky have already netted exclusive rights to some games. It's really not that big a leap to overall control. It has happened in almost every area they've invested in. They don't do small pieces of the pie.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-sky-deal-heralds-whole-new-era-263893.html
It's probably a better situation for me as I can't get access to TV3 except for 2 pubs in the Town that have it but sure now it'll be on Sky.
It's not like they're taking over, RTÉ will still be covering the Lion's share and surely this will give our games greater exposure and participation rates which can only be a good thing...
Unless you are armagniac
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
If media reports are correct, Sky have already netted exclusive rights to some games. It's really not that big a leap to overall control. It has happened in almost every area they've invested in. They don't do small pieces of the pie.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-sky-deal-heralds-whole-new-era-263893.html
Gaelic games are so tiny in comparison to a lot of Sky's output so "overall control" of Gaelic Games is hardly part of their agenda.
Has anyone any FACTS about the proposed deal?
Paddy has it spot on.
Quote from: thejuice on April 01, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
Paddy has it spot on.
Yeah, but Paddy didn't mention a dickeybird about Sky sports policy about the goal and point celebration music that they certainly impose on games they cover, which also implies proper goal celebrations by players and pro active DJ announcements over the PA system to whip the crowd into a 'frenzy'.
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 01, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
I think too many are making the comparison between SKY and going professional, many seem to think this is a windfall.
And I can't see the situation arising where SKY will ever have exclusive rights to the games.
If media reports are correct, Sky have already netted exclusive rights to some games. It's really not that big a leap to overall control. It has happened in almost every area they've invested in. They don't do small pieces of the pie.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-sky-deal-heralds-whole-new-era-263893.html
Sky have always done selective pieces of the sports - there is very few sports that they hold full exclusive rights for.
Is it in Skys interests to have exclusive rights for the GAA? Who knows, they are likely testing the water but you can't imagine it been a Sky sports 1 or 2 viewing sport. Likely to sit on 3 or 4. Plus when the GAA season is at the business end the premiership is in full flow again.
Is it in GAA's interests to have exclusive rights for the GAA? Not now or in the future and these guys are smart in Croke Park, money isn't always first to them. They know that the GAA already battles for media space on the air waves with other sports and taking it off freeview in its entirety is in no ones interests. They will see the bigger game and know the national broadcaster is the bread and butter. It may pressure them into getting better deal or improving the coverage but closing the doors to many isn't an option.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News
Why go to a match when you can complain about Sky showing it?
IF the negotiations between Croke Park and Sky run smoothly, the GAA will announce details of its new TV and radio rights deal today or tomorrow.
There has been widespread speculation that Sky Sports has secured the exclusive broadcast rights to 14 Championship games. But those 14 games are only part of Sky's package. In addition to acquiring eight Saturday evening Qualifiers, two Saturday evening and two Sunday provincial Championship games, and two All-Ireland football quarter-finals, Sky has also purchased 'simulcast rights' to the semi-finals and finals of the All-Ireland football and hurling Championships. That's an additional six matches, which brings Sky's total for the summer to 20.
There is now a distinct possibility that RTE and Sky Sports 3 will be showing the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals at the same time. Subscribers to Sky Sports will be able to choose between the two channels.
Contrary to some reports, RTE's coverage will remain largely unaffected. During last year's Championship, RTE showed 31 games. For the next three years, RTE will continue to show 31 games. Their package includes all the provincial finals. The BBC will continue to cover the games in the Ulster Championship which are broadcast by RTE.
The big losers are TV3, the station which showed nine games in last year's Championship. TV3 are no longer part of the equation. Given that TV3 isn't available in huge chunks of the North, there will not be a huge amount of weeping about that particular revelation.
Under the last deal, RTE (31) and TV3 (nine) broadcast a total of 40 Championship games. From 2014 to 2017, it will be possible to watch 45 games, 31 on RTE, and another 14 for those who are willing to sign up to Sky Sports. Even before the details of the GAA's TV rights deal have been confirmed, the backlash has started. Former Kerry footballer Tommy Walsh, who joined the Sydney Swans five years ago, outlined his views via Twitter.
Walsh wrote: "So our 'amateur' game is now being sold to Sky? There is no other sport in the world where players and supporters are taken advantage of more!"
Derry County Board chairman John Keenan has voiced his opposition to games being broadcast on subscription channels. "I would not favour asking our patrons to pay to watch gaelic games [on TV]. I am in favour of having all our games being available to all classes and creeds," said Keenan.
A few years ago, I would have been in total agreement with the Derry chairman. However, my views on this issue have changed somewhat. For the continued promotion of gaelic games, it remains extremely important that matches are aired on free-to-air television.
But let's consider the amount of fixtures which are available on RTE and TG4. Under the new deal, RTE will show 31 Championship games. TG4 will show 62 live and 22 deferred games. That's 93 live games.
Now, let's examine the identity of your stereotypical armchair viewer.
John Keenan's native county Derry represents an excellent case-study. The county has a population of roughly 250,000. Sunday's home game against Kildare attracted a crowd of 2,429. That's equates to less than one per cent of the population.
Using this formula, Dublin don't fare much better. Saturday night's attendance of approximately 22,000 in Croke Park might sound good. But Dublin is a city of nearly 1.5 million. That crowd represents about two per cent of the population.
The bottom line is the vast majority of television viewers never darken the turnstile of a GAA ground. They don't pay into county games. They don't support their clubs. They don't pay club memberships. They contribute nothing.
Why are these people automatically entitled to watch every GAA game free-of-charge? Where is it written that all gaelic football and hurling matches must be broadcast on terrestrial channels?
Let's not forget that for the purpose of this debate, we are talking about the loss of nine games from a station which wasn't even available nationwide. Naturally, once Sky enters the arena, the GAA will be accused of succumbing to corporate greed. But this is just a lazy sound-bite, which is normally flung around by people who know nothing about the GAA.
Just look at Croke Park's two leading figures. The director-general is Paraic Duffy, a dyedin-the-wool GAA man, who never misses a Monaghan game. As a character, Duffy is about as far removed from a corporate fat cat as you can get. He is the former principal of St Macartan's, Monaghan.
The GAA president is Liam O'Neill. Cut from much the same cloth as Duffy, the Laois man is the principal of a primary school. While the GAA's commercial director Peter McKenna might have headed the negotiations with Sky, he would have taken his direction from Duffy and O'Neill. It's understood that the GAA will not make a huge amount of money from Sky. Next year's financial figures will show that the new contract will net a marginally larger figure than the last deal. Croke Park's main motivation for allowing Sky to join the table goes back to the primary purpose of the GAA - they believe it's the best way for the Association to promote its games, not just in Ireland but in Britain and further afield.
If the National League is a taster for the Championship, there is no reason why gaelic games can't attract a wider audience.
If Irish people can become avid fans of American football, it is not beyond the realms of fantasy that the Scottish, English and Welsh will start watching football and hurling.
There is no doubt that Tommy Walsh will have voiced the sentiments of many people. But the GAA has no need to apologise for this deal. The GAA is perfectly entitled to sell their games to whomever they please.
It's hardly corporate greed when 80 per cent of all revenue is redistributed to the provincial councils and county boards. Besides, there are plenty of games on terrestrial television - 93 of them to be exact.
The armchair viewers who want to see more, but who don't want to subscribe to Sky, always have the option of getting off their backsides and going to one.
Does Paddy not understand Irish culture ?
Do not ask what I can do for my country. What will it give me ?
What about the people who do support their clubs? and do pay club memberships and more.
Get a dreambox and Sky can shove their subscriptions for watching GAA matches up their hole!!
You get the whole shooting gallery of channels and can watch sport all weekend until your hearts content!!
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
What about the people who do support their clubs? and do pay club memberships and more.
exactly. To spite these shameful rascals who watch the game yet dont suport club / county, alot of good gaels (without whom there wouldnt be this 'business' 'product' to whore off to Sky) will miss out on important championship matches
Is there a single man / woman on here who has access to TV3 and rte and doesnt subscribe to Sky Sports support this deal?
Whilst Paddy makes some very good points, he is too broad in some very important analysis :
Almost one-third of all Irish adults are members of a sports club and that one-third of that sports membership in Ireland is
accounted for by the GAA. Similarly, of the approximately 50% of all Irish adults who attended a sports
event in 2005, nearly two-thirds went to a GAA match.
A lot of people who watch TV do pay club memberships, buy lotto and do contribute something.
To say that the vast majority of television viewers contribute nothing is over the top and takes away from an otherwise decent article.
http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/13260/2/Gift_Sky_Sports_GAA
:-)
Quote from: J OGorman on April 01, 2014, 04:23:51 PM
http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/13260/2/Gift_Sky_Sports_GAA
:-)
Pure class. John Mullane - LOL
Quote from: J OGorman on April 01, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
What about the people who do support their clubs? and do pay club memberships and more.
exactly. To spite these shameful rascals who watch the game yet dont suport club / county, alot of good gaels (without whom there wouldnt be this 'business' 'product' to whore off to Sky) will miss out on important championship matches
Is there a single man / woman on here who has access to TV3 and rte and doesnt subscribe to Sky Sports support this deal?
I don't have Sky and have access to the others.
I haven't seen the detail on deal yet so I will not be making a judgment.
However it will probably mean the same to me as the Setanta situation now. Where I go to a friend's house/pub to watch the game I want.
There will still be the Sunday game to catch the highlights (the importance of this will be increased somewhat. Hopefully RTE can improve their game time coverage here).
Quote from: J OGorman on April 01, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
What about the people who do support their clubs? and do pay club memberships and more.
exactly. To spite these shameful rascals who watch the game yet dont suport club / county, alot of good gaels (without whom there wouldnt be this 'business' 'product' to whore off to Sky) will miss out on important championship matches
Is there a single man / woman on here who has access to TV3 and rte and doesnt subscribe to Sky Sports support this deal?
Half these 'good gaels' wouldn't even watch many of the matches, or certainly wouldn't be upset if they missed them. What are the TV viewing numbers for most qualifiers?
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0104141419-media-rights-press-release/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0104141419-media-rights-press-release/)
Boom goes the dynamite.
edit, great news for the Aussie ex-pats amongst us...
QuoteIn addition to Sky Sports providing exclusive live coverage of 20 championship matches in Britain, in a major new departure, Channel 7 will show all 45 live championship games free to air in Australia.
Quote from: Zulu on April 01, 2014, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 01, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 01, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
What about the people who do support their clubs? and do pay club memberships and more.
exactly. To spite these shameful rascals who watch the game yet dont suport club / county, alot of good gaels (without whom there wouldnt be this 'business' 'product' to whore off to Sky) will miss out on important championship matches
Is there a single man / woman on here who has access to TV3 and rte and doesnt subscribe to Sky Sports support this deal?
Half these 'good gaels' wouldn't even watch many of the matches, or certainly wouldn't be upset if they missed them. What are the TV viewing numbers for most qualifiers?
how do you know this? jayzus
Viewing figures. What are you basing your view that these good gaels will miss out on these games due to 'whoring' out the games? Have none of these gaels friends or a pub close by?
It was never about money so you have to commend the GAA for doing this deal on behalf of Gaels all over the world.
Padraig Duffy
"Financial considerations were far from being the guiding criterion in our negotiations, and were of lesser importance than the issue of making our games more widely available to Irish people living abroad. In fact, the financial benefit to the GAA from the new broadcast contracts compared to the previous ones is marginal
So do premier sports still get to show the RTE covered games in Britain?
Quote from: Zulu on April 01, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
So do premier sports still get to show the RTE covered games in Britain?
RTE - same package as before
SKY - TV3 package plus get to show the semi-finals and finals.
TG4 - same package as before
Setanta - same package as before
Chanel 7 Australia - show live championship games, 45 or so.
US - some live streaming online package.
No idea where premier sports fits in.
Not quite Bingo - the Sky package is a little bigger than TV3's used to be as there are more games being covered this year.
Quote from: Bingo on April 01, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 01, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
So do premier sports still get to show the RTE covered games in Britain?
RTE - same package as before
SKY - TV3 package plus get to show the semi-finals and finals.
TG4 - same package as before
Setanta - same package as before
Chanel 7 Australia - show live championship games, 45 or so.
US - some live streaming online package.
No idea where premier sports fits in.
BBC?
They basically just show games televised in Ireland whether by RTE, TG4 or setanta with their own commentator. There's no studio analysis shown on their coverage. I'm only wondering as we pay for that too and if the GAA is gone then it's gone.
Quote from: screenexile on April 01, 2014, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 01, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 01, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
So do premier sports still get to show the RTE covered games in Britain?
RTE - same package as before
SKY - TV3 package plus get to show the semi-finals and finals.
TG4 - same package as before
Setanta - same package as before
Chanel 7 Australia - show live championship games, 45 or so.
US - some live streaming online package.
No idea where premier sports fits in.
BBC?
They will show Ulster games that RTE are showing.
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 01, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
Not quite Bingo - the Sky package is a little bigger than TV3's used to be as there are more games being covered this year.
Sky have 14 games plus the semi's and finals - that's 20 in total.
I don't think TV3 had the semi's and finals. Did they have less than 14?
On the yellow ticker on Sky Sports News now.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 01, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
On the yellow ticker on Sky Sports News now.
Has Jim White got the Bantys phone number yet?
http://www1.skysports.com/other-sports/news/20876/9243818/sky-sports-secure-rights-to-all-ireland-gaelic-football-and-hurling-championships
Bingo TV3's first contract was for nine games up to the quarter finals (plus any replays that accrued) and then for their second contract they got the same plus the two minor finals.
Paraic Duffy, Director General of the GAA said: "We are delighted to have awarded Sky Sports the rights to show a third of the televised games in the season.
"This agreement will boost our reach to new audiences in the UK as well as secure a new depth of coverage for viewers in Ireland. This is great news for fans, players and the sport and look forward to working with the best in the business."
Good for players ?
RTE will love that last comment.
My immediate reaction is no harm done.....yet....we'll see how it develops over the years.
Great deal meaning Gaelic games are more widely available than ever before. It's was not a financial decision but a promotional one. Some of the claims by backward members within the organisation would lead you to scratch your head. Why for example does paying your club membership give you more of a right than some one who is a club member in the uk to see the game?
It's a small number of games and free to air only loses 9 that were on tv3 last year which weren't available across Ireland anyway. People will still have the option to go to games or get sky or go to a friends or go to a pub to see the sky games.
Will be great to see them hyping up the all Ireland finals across the uk. Looking forward to seeing what they can do from a promotional point of view.
Channel 7 showing all 45 matches live and free to air in Australia is an outstanding deal on the GAA's part, in my view.
I think the RTE/Sky balance has been struck right for this deal, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the 31/14 split of exclusive live matches reversed for the next deal, and that's the worry I would have.
I'm excited to see how Sky cover Gaelic Games, however - not just in terms of their live coverage, but how they promote the games on Sky Sports News etc.
The online streaming service should be a significant leap forward in terms of international access also.
I haven't seen what the arrangements are for the leagues but it's about time some proper coverage was given to them by RTE.
Quote from: Bingo on April 01, 2014, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 01, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
On the yellow ticker on Sky Sports News now.
Has Jim White got the Bantys phone number yet?
f**k me but they could have used more modern pictures!
They have Nicky English in one of them!
The Australian part of the deal is what caught my eye. Apparently Channel 7 is the highest rating terrestrial channel in Oz. This is a big deal.
Paraic Duffy coming up on Newstalk at the top of the hour...
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 06:53:56 PM
The Australian part of the deal is what caught my eye. Apparently Channel 7 is the highest rating terrestrial channel in Oz. This is a big deal.
They are the main broadcaster for the AFL (and also make Home and Away ;)).
There is no downside to this for our sport. Anyone crying about it can only be doing so out of petty self-interest.
Wullie Frazer is having a Sky box burning event. SKY R A!
You're being more than a tad dramatic. Most people, could go to the pub or a mates to watch some of the 9 matches unavailable to them if they really want to see them.
All you need is a laptop and the right website. No one needs to be paying Sky anything.
Might actually increase qualifier attendances....anything that promotes the game, esp abroad has to be welcomed and encouraged. Look at attendance of All Ireland finalists at the weekend compare to Leinster v Munster rugby....the people complaining about this deal are the same who'll whinge about an all Ireland final ticket availability yet wont go to league fixture involving the same teams!
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
One thing I hope they never introduce to GAA matches is the inane Continental football and icehockey custom of the stadium announcer announcing the teams by giving the first name of the each player and the crowd replying with the surname.
They also do it for goals. Pure shite.
Does seems a bit odd though that you can watch 45 games for free on terrestrial television in Australia yet living in Ireland you will need a Sky subscription to watch some games.
Usually cancel Sky during the Summer months but I noticed Sligo v Galway/London is their first football game in June.
PrimeTime's doing a piece on it.
Coming on now on prime time. Ciaran Whelan says its a bad move and that the gaa is an ameteur organisation and shouldn't be doing thing for commercial gain. I hope this is challenged. The gaa have made it clear that this is not about money but promotion of the games and the extra money is marginal. I wonder does Ciaran do his role on the Sunday Game for free as its an ameteur organisation that they're broadcasting on and he's providing a service to his fellow gaa members.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 01, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Coming on now on prime time. Ciaran Whelan says its a bad move and that the gaa is an ameteur organisation and shouldn't be doing thing for commercial gain. I hope this is challenged. The gaa have made it clear that this is not about money but promotion of the games and the extra money is marginal. I wonder does Ciaran do his role on the Sunday Game for free as its an ameteur organisation that they're broadcasting on and he's providing a service to his fellow gaa members.
Aye! Dublin set up ain't exactly amatuer.
I'm sure people on the breadline have more to worry them than not being able to see some 9 GAA games on their own TV.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 01, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Coming on now on prime time. Ciaran Whelan says its a bad move and that the gaa is an ameteur organisation and shouldn't be doing thing for commercial gain. I hope this is challenged. The gaa have made it clear that this is not about money but promotion of the games and the extra money is marginal. I wonder does Ciaran do his role on the Sunday Game for free as its an ameteur organisation that they're broadcasting on and he's providing a service to his fellow gaa members.
Although the money paid by Sky may not be huge, I'd imagine the larger coverage would attract bigger sponsorship revenue. On a separate issue, Premier Sports are still broadcasting most of the GAA in Britain this summer:
PREMIER SPORTS ANNOUNCE CONTINUED GAA COVERAGE IN GREAT BRITAINCHANNEL WINS EXCLUSIVE COVERAGE OF PACKS 2,3,4,7,8 & 9
WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW OVER 75% OF GAA BROADCASTS
Premier Sports, operating exclusively on SKY channel 428 and Virgin 551 in the UK have today announced they will continue to be the home of GAA in Great Britain for a further 3 years.
The deal will see the channel cover the following content;
- Exclusive coverage of 26 games each season for the next 3 years from the GAA Championships.
- Includes Sunday Provincial games including the finals from all 4 regions, 1st/2nd choice of qualifiers from rounds 1 and 2 and 4 Quarter Finals.
- Exclusive coverage of over 30 Allianz League games including TG4 games in English.
- Minimum of 6 Club Championship games covering the semi-finals and finals.
Richard Sweeney, General Manager of Premier Sports commented, "We are delighted to continue to be the main broadcaster of GAA and offer fans in Great Britain the above content for the great value price of only £9.99 per month."
;D gift grub gaa sky
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=560354170729593&stream_ref=10
This thread is turning into a Father Ted sketch full of Irish stereotypes.
Couldn't believe Eugene McGee on Today FM earlier, and I got the feeling that the more times he said out loud about pensioners not being able to see game, the more ludicrous he realised it sounded.
Here's the bottom line folks. RTE has no more room in their schedule for coverage. They genuinely don't unless Championship games are moved to weekdays. So they're out.
TV3 can do nothing to further the game. They simply don't have the budgets to improve live TV coverage by adding cameras, features and personalities; nor do they have international reach.
TG4. Much as I love my winter football, there's maybe only 7 people in Ireland want to listen to commentary in Irish, and even less among our diaspora.
It had to leave 'free' TV. I'm just glad it has gone to the market leader for Sports coverage.
I just lost the Primetime feed at the commercial break.
I liked Paraic's comeback at the start. "...or go to the match."
It's a great point. All these "die-hard fans who sacrificed everything including their lives"* are all bent out of shape about having to pay a few quid back into the organization so you can be an armchair fan? Why aren't you at the match?
*yes, exaggeration. But you get my point.
It was inevitable they were going to find someone in the audience to throw out the old grab all association line! Thought Brennan and Duffy dealt with it all quite well. Brennan responded to that point by throwing back that over 80 per cent of money coming in centrally is reinvested at club and county level. A lot of people dont seem to realise the cost of running an organisation like the gaa.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 01, 2014, 11:08:20 PM
It was inevitable they were going to find someone in the audience to throw out the old grab all association line! Thought Brennan and Duffy dealt with it all quite well. Brennan responded to that point by throwing back that over 80 per cent of money coming in centrally is reinvested at club and county level. A lot of people dont seem to realise the cost of running an organisation like the gaa.
Sure the newspaper comments today were full of the old "nobody knows where the money goes" garbage.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
Oh, so you lose Irish citizenship as soon as you emigrate? Am I a "foreigner" now?
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Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
I'm sure the vast majority of fans are well fit to and able to attend the games. If not they can make a choice if sky is worth it for 9 games. If not they can go to a friends house who has sky or down to the local pub. Failing that they can listen to it on the radio and watch highlights on rte. Not all championship games are currently live and I don't see any uproar over that and people cope.
I see sky will be doing a midweek highlights show. This could be good if they put a bit of effort into it. Currently there's too much crap talking on rte and not enough coverage of games not live on tv, would be great if this was a decent highlights show.
Quote from: hardstation on April 01, 2014, 11:12:51 PM
True that. Do ye ever see the cut of some of the videos Eamonn posts of hurling in America etc? Let them watch that garbage.
Ouch.
That hurts.
That is like a dagger through my heart. :'(
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 01, 2014, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
I'm sure the vast majority of fans are well fit to and able to attend the games. If not they can make a choice if sky is worth it for 9 games. If not they can go to a friends house who has sky or down to the local pub. Failing that they can listen to it on the radio and watch highlights on rte. Not all championship games are currently live and I don't see any uproar over that and people cope.
I see sky will be doing a midweek highlights show. This could be good if they put a bit of effort into it. Currently there's too much crap talking on rte and not enough coverage of games not live on tv, would be great if this was a decent highlights show.
Sure it wasn't so long ago when the only "coverage" was on the wireless. In my dad's day he had to tr**p over a mile to someone's house where there was a radio. Some fierce sense of entitlement soon sinks in, people demanding the "right" to view games on their armchairs for nothing.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 12:03:43 AM
Sure it wasn't so long ago when the only "coverage" was on the wireless. In my dad's day he had to tr**p over a mile to someone's house where there was a radio. Some fierce sense of entitlement soon sinks in, people demanding the "right" to view games on their armchairs for nothing.
Why shouldn't they, it is not as if your Dad had to pay per listen on his neighbour's radio.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2014, 12:34:05 AM
Why shouldn't they, it is not as if your Dad had to pay per listen on his neighbour's radio.
Play me the world's smallest violin. What do you think we've been doing out here for years? $20 a head to squeeze into a crowded pub to watch a match, that's what. And you're crying about having to pay to see handful of qualifier games that didn't even exist a few years ago when you still get over 30 games a year for free?
So people in Austailia will get all games free to air. Don't see anything in this deal to help people in the US see matches. Do we still have to go to bars early in the morning and hand over $20 to premium sports to watch?
RTE streaming if I understand it correctly
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
Oh, so you lose Irish citizenship as soon as you emigrate? Am I a "foreigner" now?
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The poor ould Armagh boy would rather watch it on the BritishBC and pays taxes to the government in Dublin to fund RTE I'm sure.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
Armaghniac, either you are on the wind up or you are incredibly thick. I hope it's the former because it would be mad to think that there are actually people in Ireland who view the Irish abroad like you do.
This is awful news. I never thought they would actually do it.
Quote from: hardstation on April 01, 2014, 11:31:07 PM
Aye, and put the price of the ticket up. Not so slow...
I'm pretty sure the price of championship tickets haven't gone up in recent years. The quarter finals and semi finals actually reduced. I think the qualifiers may have gone down and certainly in ulster the championship matches haven't gone up. Also the gaa has been very good at making family tickets available particularly in croke park. Up to the final children's tickets can be purchased for €5. Also new group ticket concessions were introduced were big games could be entered for something like €10.
The gaa gets a hard time despite the fact that it reinvests the majority of the money made, is cheaper than other major sporting events such as rugby and the vast majority of its games are free to watch.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
You do realise that you're in the same jurisdiction as these "foreigners", and their taxes subsidise you, right?
EUGENE MCGEE – UPDATED 02 APRIL 2014 07:26 AM
Giving with one hand and taking with the other – that is about the best description of the Sky deal worked out in protracted discussions between Sky television and the GAA.
On the one hand, the GAA has achieved a cherished ambition of spreading the coverage of live games far beyond Ireland, particularly to Britain, via Sky, but at the same time as these new viewers are being facilitated, Sky will be closing the doors on thousands of people all over Ireland who do not have Sky and many of whom will be unwilling or unable for financial reasons to buy a Sky subscription.
Over half a million people in Ireland are aged 70 or over and the same number are aged 16 or under.
It is very possible that thousands in those categories will be unable to watch any of the 14 games shown only on Sky.
This scenario was brought to my attention last week when the first leaks about the Sky deal emanated from some of the parties involved in the negotiations.
Two brothers of my acquaintance, aged 72 and 76, who live in a rural part of the country on their own, have always regarded Gaelic football as an integral part of their lives.
They played for the local club for over 20 years, they were on the club committee and they often assisted in preparing young players to become footballers in the local pitch. Days out to watch their own and neighbouring counties play were the highlights of their year, but in recent years, because of their age, that has become something they have been unable to do so.
Instead, they watched the live televised games in the championship, regardless of what counties were involved.
They were heartbroken when they heard that they would not see 14 games in this year's championship because they have never had Sky and have absolutely no intention of spending their scarce money on a subscription as other sports do not interest them.
So, this is the downside of the new deal and I have no doubt the leading GAA officials are painfully aware of it.
They in their wisdom felt that this was a sacrifice worth bearing for the greater good of the GAA and, particularly, to push GAA coverage onto many more television sets around the word.
Channel 7 in Australia, for instance, will show all the televised games live in 2014, which will certainly appeal to the recent droves of Irish people who have emigrated to that country.
But won't it be ironic when the grandson of a recent Irish emigrant gets on the phone to discuss a game that has just ended on Channel 7 in Australia to tell his grandad all about it 12,000 miles away?
How will the old man feel about the fact that he cannot watch the same match in his own kitchen? At the other end of the age scale, we have thousands of boys and girls aged 16 and under who also may not be able to see big games because their home does not have Sky television.
The GAA has carefully cultivated the youth GAA market with great success, but we wonder how the young people will feel if and when they are unable to watch big games live this summer and it will certainly not be well-received.
On the broader scene, the history of amateur sports that were subject to pay-to-view usually sees them going professional, with rugby union being the best example.
INFLUENCE
It is too soon for scare stories about GAA games in that regard, but, as historian Paul Rouse said yesterday, this Sky venture is not just the thin edge of the wedge, it is the whole wedge and in future years we can be sure Sky's presence and influence on GAA games will increase – for better or worse.
The concluding stages of the championships will be the most interesting period in the battle for television supremacy because the final six games in football and hurling, including the All-Ireland finals, will be shown by both RTE and Sky which will make for a fascinating comparison between the stations.
Liam O'Neill is obviously new to the media game
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0401/606068-oneill-denies-comments-were-insulting/
He added: "Paraic Duffy and I are as conservative and traditional as you will get in the GAA. We are looking at a package here that will satisfy the broad group of people that we are trying to satisfy. "Those that want to constantly refer to those that won't get to see those games will harp on and quite frankly you couldn't please everybody anyway and that's the nature of it."
I would love to see the Apres Match team riffing on that
The winners and losers in this:
Irish living abroad - winners
Foreigners - winners
Those in Australia - winners
Anyone living in Ireland (i.e. those providing the matches everyone wants to see) - losers
Look, you boyos with sky or who are benefitting from this can call us criers or whatever all you want, bottom line is, the games should be free to air. I've lived and worked and played GAA in the states, I know the craic. I've done the same in the Warwickshire, again, I know the craic, and Australia. Those selling lotto, national draw tix, stewarding at club games should not have to pay above the TV license to watch their games. Would have been great for rte online to stream the games free to all our gaels abroad (this should have been done years ago). Sky are here to stay. Wont be long 'til they have steamrolled rte. Anyways, its done.
There are 31 games free to air in Ireland on RTE.
20 years ago, there was probably 4 or 5.
TV3 wasn't available in the whole island of Ireland, so a lot of our northern brethern were excluded from watching those games aleady.
RTE are retaining their number of games.
Sky are essentially replacing TV3.
I understand the argument. My Dad, and my Father in Law will both be missing out on the ex-TV3 games. However, I don't see it as the wholesale treachery that others seem to think it is. Look at Zulu's kids team in Scotland there. They'll now be able to show their friends the games on SKY, which is king of sports in the UK. It gives it street cred straight away, especially if they do it the way they do other ball sports.
All in all though, I think to be able to see 31 games free to air on live TV, RTE, is far from pensioners (or anyone else) being 'locked out' by Sky. A ridiculous line from McGee.
IMO the availability of games outside of Ireland (through streaming etc) is completely separate from the PPV deal for championship games. One doesn't depend on the other in any way.
It's too late for people to be getting worked up now. I was very annoyed when TV3 got games as it was not available in many parts of Ireland (now broadly addressed with SaorView/Sat). I was very annoyed when Setanta got games as it was the first time that GAA games were PPV. The Sky PPV deal is a logical next step and sure the deal is now done.
Does anyone believe that the % of championship games that will be PPV on Sky in the years to come is going to stay the same or decrease? Of course not. This is the thin end of the wedge. How long before one of the 2 AI semi's is PPV?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 09:46:48 AM
There are 31 games free to air in Ireland on RTE.
20 years ago, there was probably 4 or 5.
TV3 wasn't available in the whole island of Ireland, so a lot of our northern brethern were excluded from watching those games aleady.
RTE are retaining their number of games.
Sky are essentially replacing TV3.
I understand the argument. My Dad, and my Father in Law will both be missing out on the ex-TV3 games. However, I don't see it as the wholesale treachery that others seem to think it is. Look at Zulu's kids team in Scotland there. They'll now be able to show their friends the games on SKY, which is king of sports in the UK. It gives it street cred straight away, especially if they do it the way they do other ball sports.
All in all though, I think to be able to see 31 games free to air on live TV, RTE, is far from pensioners (or anyone else) being 'locked out' by Sky. A ridiculous line from McGee.
I agree 100% AZ.
If there were LESS games being shown for free on RTE, i could see the argument, but this will actually lead to an increase in TV coverage and offer an option for watching the semis & final on different channels.
Granted this wont be for everyone, but it will benefit a large number of people, home & away and increase the profile of our championships over all.
StephenC, that's certainly a possibility. And that's up to the GAA (we are the GAA) to decide. I'm sure if a motion was brought to congress to say that Sky will never get more than X percent of games, and that All Ireland Semis and Finals will always remain free to air on terrestrial TV, it would have a chance to pass. We have 3 years now to close that stable door before the horse bolts. Get onto your club, and make sure it's on the agenda.
If this is a runner with Sky, I think they *will* try to expand their coverage, including more exclusivity. They'd be mad not to. But that doesn't mean we have to sell to them. Maybe this will make RTE up their game, and quit the Brolly shit. Get people in the studio who actually enjoy the games. Because if in 2 years time Sky have a high positivity and energy factor in their coverage, and RTE are still giving the impression they actually hate to have to sit through a game of football, then that motion I was talking about above would have a very hard time winning.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 02, 2014, 09:55:24 AM
Granted this wont be for everyone, but it will benefit a large number of people, home & away and increase the profile of our championships over all.
What, are Henry Shefflin and the Gooch going to be making an unexpected visit to Summer Bay as part of the deal with Channel 7?
Quote from: Sidney on April 02, 2014, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 02, 2014, 09:55:24 AM
Granted this wont be for everyone, but it will benefit a large number of people, home & away and increase the profile of our championships over all.
What, are Henry Shefflin and the Gooch going to be making an unexpected visit to Summer Bay as part of the deal with Channel 7?
the allstars are going to play an exhibition game against the Riverboys
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
Armaghniac, either you are on the wind up or you are incredibly thick. I hope it's the former because it would be mad to think that there are actually people in Ireland who view the Irish abroad like you do.
There are several posters here who prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
My point is that the strength of the GAA is that it can bring on board the whole community and there can be a sense of involvement when a team is doing well that goes beyond the actual hard core fans as such. I think the ability of people to watch free to air TV is part of that. This is a strength of the GAA and it should play to that strength and stay on free to air TV when other sports have gone in the other direction.
This is a modest change and may well be designed to put pressure on RTÉ as anything else, it is a trade-off and may work out. But if (say) Derry or Cavan win the Ulster championship and find themselves in a quarter final against Kerry, some of the atmosphere will be lost if this quarter final is restricted in this way.
Quote from: AZOffaly
I understand the argument. My Dad, and my Father in Law will both be missing out on the ex-TV3 games. However, I don't see it as the wholesale treachery that others seem to think it is. Look at Zulu's kids team in Scotland there. They'll now be able to show their friends the games on SKY, which is king of sports in the UK. It gives it street cred straight away, especially if they do it the way they do other ball sports
My point is that while games having street cred for Zulu's kids is a nice to have, this is basically irrelevant to the future of the GAA in general, which is affected by things in Ireland.
I think the international Internet coverage (if it works) is a great 21st century style service for ex-pats, in whatever country they are. But it would be better if this was single service with all games.
The only unknown is the BBC. Do they still get the Ulster games and does this mean that Sky will not, or will SKy have some of these? I think the BBC showing games was helpful to the GAA in NI as at least some people from non GAA areas must have watched from time to time.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
Armaghniac, either you are on the wind up or you are incredibly thick. I hope it's the former because it would be mad to think that there are actually people in Ireland who view the Irish abroad like you do.
There are several posters here who prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
My point is that the strength of the GAA is that it can bring on board the whole community and there can be a sense of involvement when a team is doing well that goes beyond the actual hard core fans as such. I think the ability of people to watch free to air TV is part of that. This is a strength of the GAA and it should play to that strength and stay on free to air TV when other sports have gone in the other direction.
This is a modest change and may well be designed to put pressure on RTÉ as anything else, it is a trade-off and may work out. But if (say) Derry or Cavan win the Ulster championship and find themselves in a quarter final against Kerry, some of the atmosphere will be lost if this quarter final is restricted in this way.
Quote from: AZOffaly
I understand the argument. My Dad, and my Father in Law will both be missing out on the ex-TV3 games. However, I don't see it as the wholesale treachery that others seem to think it is. Look at Zulu's kids team in Scotland there. They'll now be able to show their friends the games on SKY, which is king of sports in the UK. It gives it street cred straight away, especially if they do it the way they do other ball sports
My point is that while games having street cred for Zulu's kids is a nice to have, this is basically irrelevant to the future of the GAA in general, which is affected by things in Ireland.
I think the international Internet coverage (if it works) is a great 21st century style service for ex-pats, in whatever country they are. But it would be better if this was single service with all games.
The only unknown is the BBC. Do they still get the Ulster games and does this mean that Sky will not, or will SKy have some of these? I think the BBC showing games was helpful to the GAA in NI as at least some people from non GAA areas must have watched from time to time.
That's a very narrow view of the future. Other people would have an opinion that the future of the GAA can include foreign, indigenous teams playing the games, enjoying the games and being successful in the games.
If the future is as you seem to think, then you are correct, there's no point showing it to kids in the UK. f**k them. However, I happen to think the more people around the world that enjoy our games, the better.
Right,
I'll tilt this one on its head, for those people who are doomsdaying the televised future of our sport.
Yes, if things work out for Sky, of course they're going to want more games. But if things are working out for Sky, this can ONLY be because things are also working out for the GAA i.e. our games have an increased profile, an increased marketability.
Why on earth then would we stop them having this mooted "bigger piece of the pie"?
There is absolutely zero chance of the GAA reducing their free-to-air coverage. GAA and RTE need each other. The GAA needs a direct line to market and entertain the largest possible audience, and the RTE needs the ability to generate mass viewing figures for a relatively straightforward and manageable expense.
And that's before politicians get involved; which they would, if they had to. But they won't have to.
So, for people who have a problem with Sky, Which of these situations is more preferable?
1. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but we limit SKY to a maximum market share, thereby limiting live Championship matches to say 45 per year.
2. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but SKY are allowed to pick up all or any other games, thereby meaning we could end up with 60+ televised games a year, and have our very own "GAA Super Sundays".
There is no option 3. The only way to fit more sports coverage into networks on a Saturday and Sunday is to have a dedicated sports channel. Which isn't going to happen on free-to-air in our lifetimes.
Yes with option 2, we have to pay for the privilege of these extra games. But surely to God it's better to be able to pay for something you want, than not have the option at all.
- - -
(By the way, almost 10 years on I'm still waiting for the predicted demise of Gaelic Games as a result of amending rule 42)
Quote from: J OGorman on April 02, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
The winners and losers in this:
Irish living abroad - winners
Foreigners - winners
Those in Australia - winners
Anyone living in Ireland (i.e. those providing the matches everyone wants to see) - losers
Here's a more accurate picture:
Irish living abroad - winners
Foreigners - winners
Those in Australia - winners
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 31 games - winners
Anyone living in Ireland with a subscription - Winners
Anyone living in Ireland with a friend who has a subscription - Winners
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
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Those selling lotto, national draw tix, stewarding at club games should not have to pay above the TV license to watch their games.
Unless of course they happen to live outside of Ireland in which case they should be ripped off by the likes of Setanta for a third rate viewing experience with no option of going to the match.
Sorry, but the day when people in Ireland have to get on a plane and take a five hour flight to play a match will be the day when I listen to sad stories about how hard yiz work to keep the games going and how that gives you an entitlement to see the game without having to get off your armchair or pay anything for it. We put in plenty of work out here against the odds and we're every bit as much a part of the GAA as you are.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Right,
I'll tilt this one on its head, for those people who are doomsdaying the televised future of our sport.
Yes, if things work out for Sky, of course they're going to want more games. But if things are working out for Sky, this can ONLY be because things are also working out for the GAA i.e. our games have an increased profile, an increased marketability.
Why on earth then would we stop them having this mooted "bigger piece of the pie"?
There is absolutely zero chance of the GAA reducing their free-to-air coverage. GAA and RTE need each other. The GAA needs a direct line to market and entertain the largest possible audience, and the RTE needs the ability to generate mass viewing figures for a relatively straightforward and manageable expense.
And that's before politicians get involved; which they would, if they had to. But they won't have to.
So, for people who have a problem with Sky, Which of these situations is more preferable?
1. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but we limit SKY to a maximum market share, thereby limiting live Championship matches to say 45 per year.
2. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but SKY are allowed to pick up all or any other games, thereby meaning we could end up with 60+ televised games a year, and have our very own "GAA Super Sundays".
There is no option 3. The only way to fit more sports coverage into networks on a Saturday and Sunday is to have a dedicated sports channel. Which isn't going to happen on free-to-air in our lifetimes.
Yes with option 2, we have to pay for the privilege of these extra games. But surely to God it's better to be able to pay for something you want, than not have the option at all.
- - -
(By the way, almost 10 years on I'm still waiting for the predicted demise of Gaelic Games as a result of amending rule 42)
If I was already tooled up with a Sky system and subscribing to Sky sports then this is brilliant news, but I'm not, so the decision I have to make is do I cough up the monthly subscription and get Sky in for just these 11 games, depends on the games though, if it was a Munster or Leinster hurling final, I'd be tempted, Monaghan and Meath in a qualifier, not so!.
Have we any idea of what these 11 games will consist of?
So, these dreamboxes, what are they all about then?
Dream boxes are the way forward.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
2. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but SKY are allowed to pick up all or any other games, thereby meaning we could end up with 60+ televised games a year, and have our very own "GAA Super Sundays".
Three years ago the GAA reduced the number of live championship matches allowed to be shown. To me this was a clear retrograde step, but I don't recall much of an outcry over it.
RTE have been lazy in their coverage. I couldn't get to the drawn Dublin-Kilkenny hurling match in Portlaoise last year. The game was not om the television. RTE completely neglected the game on radio. I couldn't pick up a KCLR stream, and Dublin City FM didn't have it. So while Dublin were on the verge of beating the All-Ireland champions for the first time in 70 years, DubMatchTracker was the only way I could keep updated. So much for "the right to hear (never mind see) your county playing".
Last week, Brian Carthy commentated away on the Tipperary-Dublin league match as if it was a challenge match, and didn't bother his hole to inform listeners what Tipperary needed to do in order to qualify ahead of Dublin, leaving the listener to frantically look at the league table themselves and do the maths. Could you imagine Sky doing that?
Here is my problem with the GAA right now
In my own county we have a new state of the art centre of excellence and its a great place. With the recent weather our pitch was not fit to be used so we used this centre for a few weeks.
I pay my club membership and contribute as much as I can to the club but we were asked to pay towards the use of this centre which I think is not right. With the money the GAA is taking in surly members should be able to use these places without paying.
Quote from: Sidney on April 02, 2014, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
2. RTE continue to show 31 games a year forever, but SKY are allowed to pick up all or any other games, thereby meaning we could end up with 60+ televised games a year, and have our very own "GAA Super Sundays".
Three years ago the GAA reduced the number of live championship matches allowed to be shown. To me this was a clear retrograde step, but I don't recall much of an outcry over it.
RTE have been lazy in their coverage. I couldn't get to the drawn Dublin-Kilkenny hurling match in Portlaoise last year. The game was not om the television. RTE completely neglected the game on radio. I couldn't pick up a KCLR stream, and Dublin City FM didn't have it. So while Dublin were on the verge of beating the All-Ireland champions for the first time in 70 years, DubMatchTracker was the only way I could keep updated. So much for "the right to hear (never mind see) your county playing".
Last week, Brian Carthy commentated away on the Tipperary-Dublin league match as if it was a challenge match, and didn't bother his hole to inform listeners what Tipperary needed to do in order to qualify ahead of Dublin, leaving the listener to frantically look at the league table themselves and do the maths. Could you imagine Sky doing that?
It will be fascinating to see what sort of personality Sky pick to compete with Brian Carthy. Will they go for someone similar or someone with a bigger youth appeal who is not from Roscommon? Will it flop, will they go back to a BC type, because that is what the punters want ?
Or will the exclusion of the non sky watching punters mean that the lure of a BC type is reduced anyway?
The RTE crowd are smarter than people give them credit for
PAUL BYRNES (Programme Editor since 2004):
"Pat was someone who'd done a fair bit of radio; he'd appeared on other shows apart from The Sunday Game and he was keen to try something new. We said we'd give him a chance. I always felt that the least someone deserved was a chance.
ML: "It was just a matter of practicality that I would stop doing it. The fact that it was Pat who took over took me by surprise. I didn't know that they were thinking that way. I felt that Pat was our man as a panellist and that by taking him out of that seat, you were taking away his strength. I felt it was the wrong call."
Haven't read through this thread at all so apologies if its already posted but can someone confirm the following:
1) What is the deal worth financially in terms of revenue from Sky?
2) Where specifically will the money be filtered down to?
I don't have a problem with the deal if it can be shown that there is a significant additional income stream accruing from the deal and provided that the money is filtered back into clubs and grassroots. As with all things GAA sometimes change can be viewed with a certain amount of scepticism until people get used to the idea. I think this deal could be positive provided the money is directed into proper areas.
I've a question on this Sky deal - Does anyone know what happens with RTE games that do not feature Ulster sides (as they won't be on the BBC). Will they be available to us or will they be blocked by Virgin/Sky if you have only the Virgin/Sky feed to view the free to air channels?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
Armaghniac, either you are on the wind up or you are incredibly thick. I hope it's the former because it would be mad to think that there are actually people in Ireland who view the Irish abroad like you do.
There are several posters here who prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
My point is that the strength of the GAA is that it can bring on board the whole community and there can be a sense of involvement when a team is doing well that goes beyond the actual hard core fans as such. I think the ability of people to watch free to air TV is part of that. This is a strength of the GAA and it should play to that strength and stay on free to air TV when other sports have gone in the other direction.
This is a modest change and may well be designed to put pressure on RTÉ as anything else, it is a trade-off and may work out. But if (say) Derry or Cavan win the Ulster championship and find themselves in a quarter final against Kerry, some of the atmosphere will be lost if this quarter final is restricted in this way.
Im not playing the man, I am responding to an incredibly ignorant view of those who develop the game in communities abroad and the ridiculous links you are making between those abroad having access to watching the games and the more deserving hard core fans at home being left abandoned. You live in Ireland and have the opportunity to attend every game that is potentially on TV - those abroad do not. You do not have a given right to watch that game free on TV, by that logic it you should have free entry to every game - why should you pay anything? How did you cope before these games where on TV - did you sit and moan in your living room about not seeing them? Does everyone in Armagh have a right to see every Armagh championship game from the comfort of their own arm chair?
Also, how does the game being on Sky TV impact on the atmosphere at a Derry/Cavan v Kerry championship game? Maybe more will actually make the effort to go?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 01, 2014, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
It's only nine games FFS! Viewers in Ireland lose 9 games, international viewers gain them all. We come out ahead overall.
It is Irish teams that are playing in these games and the people in these places that will not be able to see their county. Let the GAA provide British games to people in Britain if it wants, but stop taxing people in Ireland to facilitate foreigners.
I'm sure the vast majority of fans are well fit to and able to attend the games. If not they can make a choice if sky is worth it for 9 games. If not they can go to a friends house who has sky or down to the local pub. Failing that they can listen to it on the radio and watch highlights on rte. Not all championship games are currently live and I don't see any uproar over that and people cope.
I see sky will be doing a midweek highlights show. This could be good if they put a bit of effort into it. Currently there's too much crap talking on rte and not enough coverage of games not live on tv, would be great if this was a decent highlights show.
Sure it wasn't so long ago when the only "coverage" was on the wireless. In my dad's day he had to tr**p over a mile to someone's house where there was a radio. Some fierce sense of entitlement soon sinks in, people demanding the "right" to view games on their armchairs for nothing.
Well isn't that exactly what you've been doing through god knows how many interminably boring posts, crying about your right to see matches as cheaply and conveniently as you can.
Would there be anyone who would watch all the games on TV?
With club games and other commitments, I would be doing well to catch half of them on TV.
AFAIK there is no money to be filtered down to the clubs from this. According to O'Neill on the radio yesterday, it's essentially revenue neutral with the cost of providing the streaming and the loss of TV3 money cancelling out the Sky payment.
Quote from: Hereiam on April 02, 2014, 10:45:19 AM
Here is my problem with the GAA right now
In my own county we have a new state of the art centre of excellence and its a great place. With the recent weather our pitch was not fit to be used so we used this centre for a few weeks.
I pay my club membership and contribute as much as I can to the club but we were asked to pay towards the use of this centre which I think is not right. With the money the GAA is taking in surly members should be able to use these places without paying.
I suppose the GAA should pay for transport for all club players to these facilities too? And sure why not have full time coaches on hand to give free lessons? Anyone gets a knock - sure lay on round the clock free physios too. Let's put a lucozade sport drinks machine in the foyer... and not charge anyone for the drinks. Anything else?
I truly do despair at the mindset of some Gaels.
Now your getting the idea Wobbler.
Sky's exclusive matches
Provincial Championship Games
June 7 – Kilkenny v Offaly LSHC
June 14 – Dublin v Wexford LSHC
June 21 – Sligo v Galway/London CSFC
June 28 – Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan (USFC)
Qualifiers
July 5 – Game D qualifiers
July 12 – Game F Qualifiers
July 19 – Games I and J
July 26 – Games G and H
August 2 – Games K and L
All-Ireland Series
August 9 – 2 x Football Quarter-Finals
TBH there's no real biggies in there for Sky barring maybe the Ulster semi-final at a push, but I suppose who knew Kilkenny would have been going through the qualifier route last year.
The Ulster semi will still beavailable free to air on the BBC though
I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 02, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
The Ulster semi will still beavailable free to air on the BBC though
Is this confirmed for the BBC?
Quote from: J OGorman on April 02, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
The winners and losers in this:
Irish living abroad - winners
Foreigners - winners
Those in Australia - winners
Anyone living in Ireland (i.e. those providing the matches everyone wants to see) - losers
Look, you boyos with sky or who are benefitting from this can call us criers or whatever all you want, bottom line is, the games should be free to air. I've lived and worked and played GAA in the states, I know the craic. I've done the same in the Warwickshire, again, I know the craic, and Australia. Those selling lotto, national draw tix, stewarding at club games should not have to pay above the TV license to watch their games. Would have been great for rte online to stream the games free to all our gaels abroad (this should have been done years ago). Sky are here to stay. Wont be long 'til they have steamrolled rte. Anyways, its done.
I don't have Sky Sports, but I think this is a great deal. So we have to pay to see a few extra games, so what? It's bringing the games to ex-pats in the UK and Australia, whilst RTE is opening up it's online streaming to places like America. This has to be a great thing and I can't understand why some are so dead against this. Yes, we're the ones living here, but we aren't the only Irish people on the planet.
Stop thinking about yourselves for once.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 02, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
Would there be anyone who would watch all the games on TV?
With club games and other commitments, I would be doing well to catch half of them on TV.
Exactly, technically I'm a loser here in that I get TV3 and don't have Sky and don't intend to "invest" in it. Look like I'll miss out on the minor finals?? I usually go to the hurling final and will just have to live without the football final. Other than that there's little effect on me.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 02, 2014, 12:01:10 PM
Sky's exclusive matches
Provincial Championship Games
June 7 – Kilkenny v Offaly LSHC
June 14 – Dublin v Wexford LSHC
June 21 – Sligo v Galway/London CSFC
June 28 – Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan (USFC)
Qualifiers
July 5 – Game D qualifiers
July 12 – Game F Qualifiers
July 19 – Games I and J
July 26 – Games G and H
August 2 – Games K and L
All-Ireland Series
August 9 – 2 x Football Quarter-Finals
TBH there's no real biggies in there for Sky barring maybe the Ulster semi-final at a push, but I suppose who knew Kilkenny would have been going through the qualifier route last year.
Holy good Jaysus. I think Offaly were involved in some other televisual 'first', but to be the first game on Sky is brutal. Against Kilkenny!!!
Quote from: AQMP on April 02, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 02, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
Would there be anyone who would watch all the games on TV?
With club games and other commitments, I would be doing well to catch half of them on TV.
Exactly, technically I'm a loser here in that I get TV3 and don't have Sky and don't intend to "invest" in it. Look like I'll miss out on the minor finals?? I usually go to the hurling final and will just have to live without the football final. Other than that there's little effect on me.
Minor finals will be shown on TG4
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 02, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Every game that's ever on? Including those not featuring your county?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 02, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Every game that's ever on? Including those not featuring your county?
When your county isn't playing there will a club game on locally for you to go to.
This is on the Sky website. Maybe an option for people who don't want to fork out the money for a full sky subscription?
GAA fans with a Sky Sports subscription can watch live on TV, online and on mobile and tablet devices via Sky Go or the award-winning Sky Sports for iPad app, which are both free for subscribers to download at no extra cost. Non-subscribers can also watch these games on mobile, which is a first in Ireland, by downloading the Sky Sports TV app for just £4.99/€5.99 a month.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2014, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 02, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
The Ulster semi will still beavailable free to air on the BBC though
Is this confirmed for the BBC?
I understand that BBC NI will be showing all Ulster Championship games??
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 02, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Every game that's ever on? Including those not featuring your county?
Do you get time to watch every game thats on - even those not featuring your own county?
The first gaelic football match on Sky will be Sligo V Galway (or London) - this will have the neutrals all over britain drooling from the off!
Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
This is on the Sky website. Maybe an option for people who don't want to fork out the money for a full sky subscription?
GAA fans with a Sky Sports subscription can watch live on TV, online and on mobile and tablet devices via Sky Go or the award-winning Sky Sports for iPad app, which are both free for subscribers to download at no extra cost. Non-subscribers can also watch these games on mobile, which is a first in Ireland, by downloading the Sky Sports TV app for just £4.99/€5.99 a month.
So, a tenner gets you all Sky matches.
Yep, looks like it. Well, maybe £15. June, July, August.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2014, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 02, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Every game that's ever on? Including those not featuring your county?
Do you get time to watch every game thats on - even those not featuring your own county?
The first gaelic football match on Sky will be Sligo V Galway (or London) - this will have the neutrals all over britain drooling from the off!
Of course not, but I Sky Plus a good few of them, and watch a fair few. I'm just picking at the notion that if you a regular attendee at games, you are not also allowed watch the games on TV. I'm involved in coaching Kids in the club twice a week, and various other squads which take another couple of evenings. And yes, sometimes I prefer to sit on my arse and watch the game on Sunday rather than piling into the car again and heading for Tullamore or Thurles.
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I love all this hard core fan talk. If you were a hard core fan then you'd have a season ticket and actually get up off your hole and go to games. If you just like to sit up and watch games of a Sunday on your armchair then surely you can wait for the Sunday Game.
If truth be told the GAA think there are too many games on free to air. They want people going to games, that's their MO.
Every game that's ever on? Including those not featuring your county?
Do you get time to watch every game thats on - even those not featuring your own county?
The first gaelic football match on Sky will be Sligo V Galway (or London) - this will have the neutrals all over britain drooling from the off!
Of course not, but I Sky Plus a good few of them, and watch a fair few. I'm just picking at the notion that if you a regular attendee at games, you are not also allowed watch the games on TV. I'm involved in coaching Kids in the club twice a week, and various other squads which take another couple of evenings. And yes, sometimes I prefer to sit on my arse and watch the game on Sunday rather than piling into the car again and heading for Tullamore or Thurles.
Would you Sky plus Sligo v Galway and watch every minute of the game? Or would you just fast forward through (like I often do) or watch the highlights on The Sunday Game. I dont imagine there will be too many games invovling other counties that most people will be up in arms about missing. I'd say most would settle for the highlights. Then again, I could be wrong - some of the "hard core" GAA men on here seem to want to watch every minute of every county game to show how hard core they are.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 02, 2014, 12:01:10 PM
Sky's exclusive matches
Provincial Championship Games
June 7 – Kilkenny v Offaly LSHC
June 14 – Dublin v Wexford or Laois/Carlow/Westmeath/Antrim/London LSHC
June 21 – Sligo v Galway/London CSFC
June 28 – Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan (USFC)
Qualifiers
July 5 – Game D qualifiers
July 12 – Game F Qualifiers
July 19 – Games I and J
July 26 – Games G and H
August 2 – Games K and L
All-Ireland Series
August 9 – 2 x Football Quarter-Finals
TBH there's no real biggies in there for Sky barring maybe the Ulster semi-final at a push, but I suppose who knew Kilkenny would have been going through the qualifier route last year.
Fixed your post... this is going around the net and it is assuming Wexford win their quarter final first - quite offensive for anyone from the 5 counties listed in red.
Also, Sky will be showing all semi-finals and finals of the All Ireland alongside RTE.
It'll hurt hurling more than most, I know that I would often watch big game qualifiers and especially the Munster Championship matches if they're on a Sunday and I'm just sitting round the house. It provides me an interest into hurling which I wouldn't have otherwise. Couldn't see myself shell out money to watch them on Sky though so the interest or following I'd have for hurling will be affected as it would be in other households.
I just can't see how anyone can complain about this and I don't buy this 'thin edge of the wedge' line at all. Looking back at some of the posts here it seems some people want free access to any GAA facility, cheaper access to games which are already very well priced IMO, and free to air TV for all televised games. Well, lets just say it's good you boys aren't in charge as it wouldn't be long before we wouldn't have a pot to piss in.
Quote from: trileacman on April 02, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
It'll hurt hurling more than most, I know that I would often watch big game qualifiers and especially the Munster Championship matches if they're on a Sunday and I'm just sitting round the house. It provides me an interest into hurling which I wouldn't have otherwise. Couldn't see myself shell out money to watch them on Sky though so the interest or following I'd have for hurling will be affected as it would be in other households.
There's no Munster championship matches included for Sky and games like Kilkenny/Offaly would only turn a man off hurling (no offence AZ!).
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Quote from: johnneycool on April 02, 2014, 12:01:10 PM
Sky's exclusive matches
Provincial Championship Games
June 7 – Kilkenny v Offaly LSHC
June 14 – Dublin v Wexford or Laois/Carlow/Westmeath/Antrim/London LSHC
June 21 – Sligo v Galway/London CSFC
June 28 – Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan (USFC)
Qualifiers
July 5 – Game D qualifiers
July 12 – Game F Qualifiers
July 19 – Games I and J
July 26 – Games G and H
August 2 – Games K and L
All-Ireland Series
August 9 – 2 x Football Quarter-Finals
TBH there's no real biggies in there for Sky barring maybe the Ulster semi-final at a push, but I suppose who knew Kilkenny would have been going through the qualifier route last year.
Fixed your post... this is going around the net and it is assuming Wexford win their quarter final first - quite offensive for anyone from the 5 counties listed in red.
Also, Sky will be showing all semi-finals and finals of the All Ireland alongside RTE.
Just a bit presumptuous alright there.
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Quote from: trileacman on April 02, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
It'll hurt hurling more than most, I know that I would often watch big game qualifiers and especially the Munster Championship matches if they're on a Sunday and I'm just sitting round the house. It provides me an interest into hurling which I wouldn't have otherwise. Couldn't see myself shell out money to watch them on Sky though so the interest or following I'd have for hurling will be affected as it would be in other households.
There's no Munster championship matches included for Sky and games like Kilkenny/Offaly would only turn a man off hurling (no offence AZ!).
None taken. I'm sure people will be switching off when Offaly score their 8th or 9th goal.
That's the spirit AZ, when all else fails pig headed blind optimism will see us through!
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That's the spirit AZ, when all else fails pig headed blind optimism will see us through!
Hey, it worked for us for years. That's our problem. Not enough pig headedness these days!
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Quote from: trileacman on April 02, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
It'll hurt hurling more than most, I know that I would often watch big game qualifiers and especially the Munster Championship matches if they're on a Sunday and I'm just sitting round the house. It provides me an interest into hurling which I wouldn't have otherwise. Couldn't see myself shell out money to watch them on Sky though so the interest or following I'd have for hurling will be affected as it would be in other households.
There's no Munster championship matches included for Sky and games like Kilkenny/Offaly would only turn a man off hurling (no offence AZ!).
None taken. I'm sure people will be switching off when Offaly score their 8th or 9th goal.
Yeah, but will ye manage any points this year? :P
I am broadly in favour of the arrangement. The ideal solution would be to have the 14 games on TV3 here and on BBC/ITV/CH4 in Britain but you'd be loosing out on the Sky razzmatazz then and it will be interesting to see what they bring to the game and how much RTE can pull up their socks. If we don't have to look/listen to Marty Morrissey and Championship Matters this summer it will definitely be worth it.
Yeah, I'm interested in the midweek show they have planned. Will it be Rachel Wyse and a few others doing a revista la liga type show? That would be worth watching. I actually just laughed out loud at the thoughts of Daithi Regan doing that show :D
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Quote from: trileacman on April 02, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
It'll hurt hurling more than most, I know that I would often watch big game qualifiers and especially the Munster Championship matches if they're on a Sunday and I'm just sitting round the house. It provides me an interest into hurling which I wouldn't have otherwise. Couldn't see myself shell out money to watch them on Sky though so the interest or following I'd have for hurling will be affected as it would be in other households.
There's no Munster championship matches included for Sky and games like Kilkenny/Offaly would only turn a man off hurling (no offence AZ!).
god be with the early 90s.
Liveline is superb listening today. ;D
The Plain People of Ireland are rising up.
Actually had to stop listening after 10 minutes because it was making me angry. Unchallenged hyperbolic statements being allowed to sit out there. One woman said this would kill her mother. For fucks sake.
Still listening and Joe hasn't any intention of putting a different side to it. Shay is now defending it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
Actually had to stop listening after 10 minutes because it was making me angry. Unchallenged hyperbolic statements being allowed to sit out there. One woman said this would kill her mother. For f**ks sake.
Sky doing their bit for natural selection so....another bonus point to Sky from me.
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Still listening and Joe hasn't any intention of putting a different side to it. Shay is now defending it.
RTE are happy to stir the pot and sit back on this one, just look at prime time last night.
They've nothing to gain and potentially everything to lose from Sky entering the GAA market.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
Yeah, I'm interested in the midweek show they have planned. Will it be Rachel Wyse and a few others doing a revista la liga type show? That would be worth watching. I actually just laughed out loud at the thoughts of Daithi Regan doing that show :D
Was referring to RTE "revamping" their midweek show (again). This time they'll have to do it properly. Don't have Sky so not aware what their magazine type programmes are like but I'll certainly be having a look for a few streams during the summer. Regan and a few other agricultural heads (I'm thinking Joe Cooney and the O'Connor brothers) sitting alongside Rachel Wyse would be quite the sight. Not sure how appealing it would be to the 10.whatever million viewers in Britain though. ;D
Another plus point for me is TG4 getting a run out in Croker on AI final day, which they deserve for the coverage of the different competitions they put on throughout the year. The traditionalists will love to see the minor final presented back in Irish as well (I know the commentary was in Irish on 3e before anyone says).
I genuinely understand the point that some (maybe a lot) of people will not be able to view games that they were able to view on TV3 before, but I think the overreaction is crazy. some of the statements made on that show would make you despair.
In context, if you have no SKY, no Internet access, and no interest in going to the pub or whatever, you will STILL be able to see 31 live games on RTE.
I can also understand the 'thin end of the wedge' fears, but again we have 3 years to bring a motion to Croke Park to safeguard that if you like. There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to some of the comments. Two of the most ridiculous (apart from the mother whose card is marked because of this) were...
Man in Galway... What will I do if one of Galway's matches are on Sky?
Possible answer a) Go to game (shock horror), b) go to pub or a friend just this once.
Also, what will that poor man do when Galway play a game that's not on EITHER RTE or Sky? The humanity!!
Woman somewhere else .... 'You'll have people having to go to their pubs to watch their children playing the games'. The premise is that having given up their time bringing kids to games, and then when they play in a championship match, unless you have Sky you have to go to the pub to watch it.
This is bizarre on so many levels, but primarily I'd be hoping that if my young lad is fortunate to play for Tipp, I'll be there watching it. You know. At the game.
And by the way, when Joe asked the lady who spoke about this killing her mother would she bring her around to watch the game in her house (she has sky). The answer 'No we won't do that because she's normally out at matches anyway'.
You couldn't make it up.
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That's the spirit AZ, when all else fails pig headed blind optimism will see us through!
Hey, it worked for us for years. That's our problem. Not enough pig headedness these days!
The Offaly lads would want to do a bit of training between now and then.
I don't want lads with beer guts hanging out over their shorts showing us up in front of a global audience.
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Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 01:42:21 PM
That's the spirit AZ, when all else fails pig headed blind optimism will see us through!
Hey, it worked for us for years. That's our problem. Not enough pig headedness these days!
The Offaly lads would want to do a bit of training between now and then.
I don't want lads with beer guts hanging out over their shorts showing us up in front of a global audience.
Lovely wristy hurlers though.
Now a pub owner is hammering Nicky Brennan for saying pubs are bad, Jesus it's a wonder the GAA has managed to survive when it can't do right by so many people.
Jesus this Liveline show is woeful.
No chance of any balance to this debate????
some of the unchallenged rubbish people are phoning in with is unreal
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Jesus this Liveline show is woeful.
No chance of any balance to this debate????
some of the unchallenged rubbish people are phoning in with is unreal
And Joe Duffy is quick to move on to the next caller if anyone tries to be reasonable or is in favour.
Have the words 'Grab All Association' been used yet?
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Jesus this Liveline show is woeful.
No chance of any balance to this debate????
some of the unchallenged rubbish people are phoning in with is unreal
And Joe Duffy is quick to move on to the next caller if anyone tries to be reasonable or is in favour.
Exactly, he seemed to try an undercut one guy by saying GAA on RTE wasn't free as they were paying for it. Awful stuff.
Has Joe nothing more important to be talking about, such as Shatter and his goings on and the tapping of phones in both Prisons and Garda Stations.
Did the rugby lot get this much grief when the HC went over to Sky?
Quote from: johnneycool on April 02, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
Has Joe nothing more important to be talking about, such as Shatter and his goings on and the tapping of phones in both Prisons and Garda Stations.
Did the rugby lot get this much grief when the HC went over to Sky?
I do remember George Hook and Brent Pope having a good auld whinge about it in Thomond Park after one of the games there, but I don't think it was like this. And Sky took ALL the HEC games.
Thank God I never listen to Jow Whinge but can imagine the type of sh1te especially when RTE are an affected party.
Of course rubby didn't get a rough ride from RTE.
It along with English Premier Soccer are the RTE peoples' National Sports after all.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 02, 2014, 03:14:36 PM
Thank God I never listen to Jow Whinge but can imagine the type of sh1te especially when RTE are an affected party.
Of course rubby didn't get a rough ride from RTE.
It along with English Premier Soccer are the RTE peoples' National Sports after all.
Which, of course, is almost exclusively live on Sky Sports, unless you have BT Sports which is also pay per view in the republic.
If you could rig the RTE switchboard to deliver an electric-shock during Liveline, the national average IQ would jump up.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
This is on the Sky website. Maybe an option for people who don't want to fork out the money for a full sky subscription?
GAA fans with a Sky Sports subscription can watch live on TV, online and on mobile and tablet devices via Sky Go or the award-winning Sky Sports for iPad app, which are both free for subscribers to download at no extra cost. Non-subscribers can also watch these games on mobile, which is a first in Ireland, by downloading the Sky Sports TV app for just £4.99/€5.99 a month.
This is a good option, i would actually think about this and maybe get it if My own County were playing in a match that for some reason I wasn't able to go too - it's nice that there is another option that doesn't involve paying £37 a month to Sky, but would be preferable if it wasn't app and was available trought the sky box (without active sky subscription) as my internet connection is rubbish.
I still do not agree with GAA games being behind a paywall, but as long as sky don't start dictating what games they get etc. RTE should always get first pick and should never have less games than they do now, then it is not important in the grand scheme of things.
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
This is on the Sky website. Maybe an option for people who don't want to fork out the money for a full sky subscription?
GAA fans with a Sky Sports subscription can watch live on TV, online and on mobile and tablet devices via Sky Go or the award-winning Sky Sports for iPad app, which are both free for subscribers to download at no extra cost. Non-subscribers can also watch these games on mobile, which is a first in Ireland, by downloading the Sky Sports TV app for just £4.99/€5.99 a month.
This is a good option, i would actually think about this and maybe get it if My own County were playing in a match that for some reason I wasn't able to go too - it's nice that there is another option that doesn't involve paying £37 a month to Sky, but would be preferable if it wasn't app and was available trought the sky box (without active sky subscription) as my internet connection is rubbish.
I still do not agree with GAA games being behind a paywall, but as long as sky don't start dictating what games they get etc. RTE should always get first pick and should never have less games than they do now, then it is not important in the grand scheme of things.
As long as RTE do the games a service, as opposed to a disservice, then I agree with you. Maybe this will make RTE look at themselves a bit.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
enda mcginley & mcgeeney were both pretty good when on the BBC last year.
please god not martin mchugh
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
Have the words 'Grab All Association' been used yet?
What about "Gah"?
Sure with the Sky money it'll reduce the need for draws this year.
Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2014, 03:46:58 PM
The concern among the people I've spoken to is that this is a 'foot in the door' job and before long Sky will take the lot.
Hard to know if that will be the case but we do know that money talks and Sky have money.
That is something different, and something i would be against as well.
As AZ suggested , tehy should be a motion passed that the all ireland semis & finals of both codes are always to be broadcast on free to air channels.
I think they have something similar in england with the FA cup final
Sell out / Sold out bastards the lot of them
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Quote from: johnneycool on April 02, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
Has Joe nothing more important to be talking about, such as Shatter and his goings on and the tapping of phones in both Prisons and Garda Stations.
Did the rugby lot get this much grief when the HC went over to Sky?
did the woman from Clontarf say anything interesting ?
Some of the reaction to this is way out of proportion.
Typical of the island we live on really - people love to be outraged and be seen to be outraged.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-president-shocked-by-aggressive-rt%C3%A9-interviews-1.1747424
GAA president Liam O'Neill says he was "shocked" by the "aggressive" RTÉ interviews he and director general Páraic Duffy took part in on Tuesday, in relation to association's decision to sell media rights to Sky.
QuoteHas Joe nothing more important to be talking about, such as Shatter and his goings on and the tapping of phones in both Prisons and Garda Stations.
Whineline is always like this.
QuoteDid I hear right, that during one of the advert breaks during Liveline they had an advert for Sky? Such clowns.
Yes, Sky are clowns to put an ad there.
QuoteAs AZ suggested , tehy should be a motion passed that the all ireland semis & finals of both codes are always to be broadcast on free to air channels.
This may hardly be needed, as there is government legislation on the matter, at least for the finals.
QuoteGAA president Liam O'Neill says he was "shocked" by the "aggressive" RTÉ interviews he and director general Páraic Duffy took part in on Tuesday, in relation to association's decision to sell media rights to Sky.
Bollix, he was asked fair questions. What does he expect?
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Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
100%. I find Malachy Clerkin excellent and the lad from Wexford on Off The Ball too is spot on.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
Agree and I've often thought that myself. Furthermore they tend to be a bit forthright and balanced.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
Could be a way back for Richard Keyes as the anchor. ;)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
100%. I find Malachy Clerkin excellent and the lad from Wexford on Off The Ball too is spot on.
Is the lad from Wexford not Dizzy Lyng, the ex hurler?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 02, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
100%. I find Malachy Clerkin excellent and the lad from Wexford on Off The Ball too is spot on.
Is the lad from Wexford not Dizzy Lyng, the ex hurler?
Gizzy, you're getting mixed up with your aul hi hop. ;D ;D ;D Not a huge fan of Gizzy, talks a lot of sense but takes a long time to get the right words out. I'd love to see Kieran Shannon involved.
Sorry, I should have said Gizzy. I'm never sure which one it is :) But he's an ex-hurler, not a journo anyhow.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 02, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
100%. I find Malachy Clerkin excellent and the lad from Wexford on Off The Ball too is spot on.
Is the lad from Wexford not Dizzy Lyng, the ex hurler?
Jeeze, would have sworn he was a journo.
Eoin McDevitt to anchor?
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
Agree and I've often thought that myself. Furthermore they tend to be a bit forthright and balanced.
They also have a wider perspective. You don't tend to get much insights into how systems evolve from players - journalists have a longer reference frame as well. And they are used to putting coherent points together
Gerlock was interviewed by Canning over the Christmas about the Clare hurlers and he was very low in content.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
Paul Galvin would give Jamie a run for it in the tight trousers stakes.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Now that it's happening, who would you like to see on the matchday panels. Who are hurling and football equivalents of Gary Neville or (shudder) Jamie Redknapp. I don't care who they get as long as they deliver their analysis in a way which shows they actually enjoy the games. If they *don't* enjoy the games, then don't be on the panel.
Hurling: Daith Regan/Michael Duignan/Jamsie O'Connor maybe? Can't see new viewers taking to Cyril, Ger Loughnane or Tomás Mulcahy.
Football : Dara O'Cinneide maybe? Darragh O'Sé? Jarlath Burns? Anyone else untainted by RTE's cynicism?
The thing is, whatever about anchors or commentators there is a potential treasure trove of analysts who could be used. Though I think they might need to be a bit more urban than some knowledgeable people would be, no point in saying something insightful if nobody across the water can understand you :).
I think McStay (not everyone's cup of tea I know), Canavan, O'Cinneide, Conor Deegan and Anthony Moyles would be good options. There are definitely good ex-players and managers that haven't got a good crack at it on a national level that would be excellent.
Do they have to be ex-players or ex managers? Watching Marty Morrissey's thing last year I was thinking journalists are often far more interesting than the former player/manager crowd.
Agree and I've often thought that myself. Furthermore they tend to be a bit forthright and balanced.
They also have a wider perspective. You don't tend to get much insights into how systems evolve from players - journalists have a longer reference frame as well. And they are used to putting coherent points together
Gerlock was interviewed by Canning over the Christmas about the Clare hurlers and he was very low in content.
God you'd miss Cyrils insight all the same, he can tell you how so and so played with their club in a certain position ages ago.
The man is a walking fountain of knowledge and not a bluffer like some.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 04:51:38 PM
Sorry, I should have said Gizzy. I'm never sure which one it is :) But he's an ex-hurler, not a journo anyhow.
Think he's one now, works with TG4 and has written a few columns with the Indo (I know). Fairly sure he has or is studing for a masters in journalism, or that could be Parkinson.
Michael Foley, Christy O'Connor, Denis Walsh other journos that would do a good job as panelists.
If Naill Quinn doesn't turn up for a hurling game I'll be shocked.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 09:28:56 AM
Liam O'Neill is obviously new to the media game
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0401/606068-oneill-denies-comments-were-insulting/
He added: "Paraic Duffy and I are as conservative and traditional as you will get in the GAA. We are looking at a package here that will satisfy the broad group of people that we are trying to satisfy. "Those that want to constantly refer to those that won't get to see those games will harp on and quite frankly you couldn't please everybody anyway and that's the nature of it."
I would love to see the Apres Match team riffing on that
It gets better - see the Indo.
GAA President Liam O'Neill has heavily criticised RTE for the way they handled the news that Sky would be broadcasting 14 Championship games exclusively this year.
O'Neill says that he felt that coverage of the rights announcement was unbalanced and was heavily critical of RTE in particular.
"An awful lot of the reaction was misinformed because they reacted before the news story," the GAA President told GAA.ie
"That was a bit unprofessional of some people doing that.
"Then, when they got the information, they zoned in on one particular part of the deal. And quite frankly, in relation to last night, we are shocked by the treatment we got from RTÉ. Every single one of the interviews was aggressive.
"RTÉ are our partners. They have got 31 of our games. They have radio, we give them access beyond what would be given to broadcasters in other sports and in other countries. We didn't expect them to be in our favour - we weren't looking for that. We were looking for balance and I don't think we got balance last night."
O'Neill urged GAA fans to look at the deal in its entirety.
"The easiest thing to do, if Páraic and I wanted to get through these negotiations, all we had to do was say no, to do what we had always done," he added.
"But we said we would step out beyond that, and I've admitted last night on RTÉ that when you make a decision like this, of course you are nervous.
"Of course you are concerned that it might not turn out as you want it. But the fact of the matter is we have done it now. We've taken that leap of faith and my message to the followers on the ground would be to sit back and enjoy the games you want to go to and sit back and enjoy the coverage and let's judge all of this at the end of the day."
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 02, 2014, 05:41:11 PM
i wonder how many people here that support the gaa giving sky exclusive rights for some championship games would also never buy a copy of the sun newspaper??
I certainly wouldn't but that's cause it's rubbish. I'm not sure why some are pursuing the Murdoch angle and the, perhaps, dubious morals of his corporation. If we all refused to buy products from corporations with suspect morals and politics with didn't agree with then we'd be living fairly basic lives.
O'Neill and that other finger pointing fckhead are sneaky cowardly lieing cheating deceitful intrustworthy rats. Not bothering to put this to congress illustrate this succinctly.
Lads it was like Fox News today on Joooe! My God two callers took the biscuit.
One lad from the US pub scene giving out about GAA greed. The same buck then casually mentioned how the pubs over there would charge 20 bucks in when they showed games.
Then the woman who was going to bring the kids on the lash in a bid to gain entry to the pubs! She also noted that parents and families of players would have to hit the pub to watch their relative play...
I think we are all curious here of what way they will tackle it. Judging on Sky they prefer recently retired guys and even Scott Minto does well on La Liga. Galvin could be an option for presenter.
For hurling I like Gizzy but Paul Flynn is a straight talker and could work.
For football they could look at Gooch as he is injured and that is another thing they tend to go for.
Some people over reacting here badly.
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:25:31 PM
O'Neill and that other finger pointing fckhead are sneaky cowardly lieing cheating deceitful intrustworthy rats. Not bothering to put this to congress illustrate this succinctly.
Rule changes go before Congress, not TV deals!
Lads calm down here :P Streaming online is an option is you have decent broadband, no need for a sky subscription then.
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
At last - the voice of reason ::)
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
I like the cut of your jib
I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.....
Quote from: J OGorman on April 01, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Is there a single man / woman on here who has access to TV3 and rte and doesnt subscribe to Sky Sports support this deal?
Absolutely, and that's me down to a tee.
I don't know who these people are who need to watch more than 31 live games a year from their armchair, but if the idea of paying a subscription is that abhorrent to you, I'm thinking you're unlikely to pay into too many matches. Of course there are exceptions but my work involves taking in as much action as I can and it's impossible to watch that many ties at the busy time of the week. As far as I'd be concerned, armchair supporters are a long way down the pecking order behind clubs who need money, evangelists trying to sell the game abroad and indeed those of us at home who get a bit tired of every analyst on RTE and TV3 running down the games and stopping just short of telling people to turn off the TV and go out for a walk instead.
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
Syfin is Director of teenage opinion around here
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
Syfin is Director of teenage opinion around here
Fora isn't the only correct pluralisation of forum.
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
I think you could made some valuable contributions to the sweeper system thread Joey.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: Lazer on April 02, 2014, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 02, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
This is on the Sky website. Maybe an option for people who don't want to fork out the money for a full sky subscription?
GAA fans with a Sky Sports subscription can watch live on TV, online and on mobile and tablet devices via Sky Go or the award-winning Sky Sports for iPad app, which are both free for subscribers to download at no extra cost. Non-subscribers can also watch these games on mobile, which is a first in Ireland, by downloading the Sky Sports TV app for just £4.99/€5.99 a month.
This is a good option, i would actually think about this and maybe get it if My own County were playing in a match that for some reason I wasn't able to go too - it's nice that there is another option that doesn't involve paying £37 a month to Sky, but would be preferable if it wasn't app and was available trought the sky box (without active sky subscription) as my internet connection is rubbish.
I still do not agree with GAA games being behind a paywall, but as long as sky don't start dictating what games they get etc. RTE should always get first pick and should never have less games than they do now, then it is not important in the grand scheme of things.
As long as RTE do the games a service, as opposed to a disservice, then I agree with you. Maybe this will make RTE look at themselves a bit.
The coverage and analysis by RTE over the years has been terrible. I for one am looking forward to a fresh approach to GAA analysis instead of the drivel that RTE serves up. I wonder if they will try to up their game or continue to punish us with the same tripe that they try to pass as analysis. I will gladly pay a SKY subscription rather than listen to Spillane spout out more nonsense or Brolly pushing his own agendas.
Overall this is excellent for our games and Im sure those ringing into liveline today have never been to a GAA game in their lives.
Quote from: Rodman on April 02, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
The coverage and analysis by RTE over the years has been terrible. I for one am looking forward to a fresh approach to GAA analysis instead of the drivel that RTE serves up. I wonder if they will try to up their game or continue to punish us with the same tripe that they try to pass as analysis.
+1.
And as for League Sunday - must be the worst sports programme ever. Typical D4 effort -any oul thing will do the bogmen as we concentrate on "real" sport like rubby.
I would say Mulligan will be in contention for a spot on the panel.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 02, 2014, 09:57:52 PM
I would say Mulligan will be in contention for a spot on the panel.
Definitely. Emlyn is a good player himself and will give a bit of perspective.
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
You know what, I refuse to listen to anything else you say. I'm disgusted by this, as I'm sure others on the board will be too. Get off your high horse and have a bit of respect, as you're losing mine's.
Emlyn will be to busy winning a Connacht title, forgot you easties only know him as Mugsy!
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-president-shocked-by-aggressive-rt%C3%A9-interviews-1.1747424
GAA president Liam O'Neill says he was "shocked" by the "aggressive" RTÉ interviews he and director general Páraic Duffy took part in on Tuesday, in relation to association's decision to sell media rights to Sky.
Some man. Shocked by getting a fight where he picked one.
Very excited about this deal. Can't wait to see the quality of the coverage SS can provide. Hopefully it will benchmark the standards for other TV coverage in Ireland. Enough of people complaining about paying, go to the match or got to the pub or a friends house if you don't already have Sky!
Quote from: joey brandon on April 02, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
I see all this crack of guessing who'll get the sky gaa commentary jobs is thriving. Speculation and so on.... It shows quite clearly to me that internet fora are ram jammed with teenagers who have a poor understanding of the the real world. This one here gaa.board included.
Anyone taking soundings from these fora should be aware that 90% + of contributors are children or retarded adults. Please bear this in mind.
w**ker.
I'm delighted.... The TV3 coverage was shite!!
Anchor - McDevitt?
Panellists - I really like Malachy Clerkin, but can't imagine he'll feature
Dave Brady - Every man/woman/monkey!
Galvin - a very fashionable shoe-in
Cooper? - he's free for the summer, but don't think he'd be that good
McConville - no bullshit with him, needs to brush up on the elocution though!!
Parkinson - 🔫
Moyles - not keen on him
Eoin Mulligan - he'll get a chance, but only a few
I fear they will go down the Niall Quinn/Shane Long route though..... I wouldn't mind Kevin Moran
Quote from: Rossfan on April 02, 2014, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Rodman on April 02, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
The coverage and analysis by RTE over the years has been terrible. I for one am looking forward to a fresh approach to GAA analysis instead of the drivel that RTE serves up. I wonder if they will try to up their game or continue to punish us with the same tripe that they try to pass as analysis.
+1.
And as for League Sunday - must be the worst sports programme ever. Typical D4 effort -any oul thing will do the bogmen as we concentrate on "real" sport like rubby.
Nail on the head. I think League Sunday infuriates me even more than The Committee Room/Championship matters. What a lazy show - 1 hour weekly when some weeks you have football/hurling on same weekend.
RTE responding to Liam O'Neills comments today.
http://www.thescore.ie/gaa-rte-row-sky-sports-deal-1395115-Apr2014/ (http://www.thescore.ie/gaa-rte-row-sky-sports-deal-1395115-Apr2014/)
Speaking on Wednesday's Six One David Nally, RTÉ's managing editor of current affairs, said he was very surprised by O'Neill's comments.
"We're very satisfied that the coverage of this issue yesterday on RTE was fair and impartial and that the GAA got a very fair shake.
"If you take Prime Time for instance, I think nine people spoke in studio on this subject and I think five of them spoke in favour of the GAA on the Sky deal, three against and one was neutral. How that can be singled out as an example of a programme that was biased against the GAA, I find that hard to understand."
I don't care what the audience/panel make-up was, the editorial slant was very much, 'You've just sold-out the elderly men and housewives of the nation. FOR SHAME!'
I didn't hear Liveline today, as I make it my business to never hear Liveline, but I believe some woman said her mother would die as a result of this decision. ::)
Quote from: haze on April 03, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 02, 2014, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Rodman on April 02, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
The coverage and analysis by RTE over the years has been terrible. I for one am looking forward to a fresh approach to GAA analysis instead of the drivel that RTE serves up. I wonder if they will try to up their game or continue to punish us with the same tripe that they try to pass as analysis.
+1.
And as for League Sunday - must be the worst sports programme ever. Typical D4 effort -any oul thing will do the bogmen as we concentrate on "real" sport like rubby.
Nail on the head. I think League Sunday infuriates me even more than The Committee Room/Championship matters. What a lazy show - 1 hour weekly when some weeks you have football/hurling on same weekend.
Have you ever seen against the head or Monday night Soccer?? Viewing for the condemned, I could hardly say they do more justice to the other sports than the shite attempt at GAA.
The sports dept. in RTE is, and has always been, run by rugby men.
These debates never seem to mention that RTE's command of the licence fee effectively makes them paid-for-TV in another guise anyway. And when you see what they've done with that slush fund over the years, and TV3's gradual descent into a cardboard and sticking plaster type production of their GAA, is it any surprise that Croke Park has looked to other partners? Especially to further the promotion of the games abroad, for which serious potential exists?
RTE's nose is obviously seriously out of joint. They've been the main show in town for years and still are, but any time a company with financial muscle gets involved in TV rights bidding, they've been very quick to steer the debate to the emotive faith of our fathers stuff and ramp up public opinion along those lines. It happened last time when Setanta were in the ring, flush with money. And there's plenty who take that bait happily without considering the logic and realities that some of the saner contributors have already outlined on this thread. The world will not stop turning. The planets will not collide. Nobody will die. In a few months it will be accepted and absorbed into the fabric of the association and largely forgotten about. It's only nine games for which people will find any one of a number of ways, paid for or otherwise, to tune into.
The truth is that with regard to GAA, there is a massive, massive sense of The Big House/Old Money entitlement and 'The Establishment' in RTE, now exacerbated that for the first time they not only have competition, but competition that has the innovation, production values, promotional machinery, global reach and financial clout to really put it up to them and by contrast, expose to the viewing public just how jaded, staid and formulaic their own coverage has become. I believe this is the real fear here.
In the longer term though, it could actually be good for RTE if it forces them to reappraise their approach, maximise their resources and develop themselves. Look outward and upward and stop being peevish and petulant because Mommy gave some treats to someone else for a change. Even the presence of TV3 forced them to change a little, SKY will most likely do so too. Unless they mess things up spectacularly, RTE will always have the larger share of games and the most glamorous games. Why not concentrate on protecting what they have by doing a knockout job from this position of great advantage instead of whining and trying to beat back the winds of change.
In the longer term though, it could actually be good for RTE if it forces them to reappraise their approach, maximise their resources and develop themselves. Look outward and upward and stop being peevish and petulant because Mommy gave some treats to someone else for a change.
That's a key benefit.
So this thread also has insane contributors planted by RTE? Are the sane ones in Sky's pocket?
Just checked the RTE website. Good account of the Dublin/Meath U-21 game.
Not a mention of the Ulster U-21games...no final scores even.
Shows their commitment to anything outside the Pale.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just checked the RTE website. Good account of the Dublin/Meath U-21 game.
Not a mention of the Ulster U-21games...no final scores even.
Shows their commitment to anything outside the Pale.
I hate to be cast in the role of defender of RTE, but in fairness to them, they cover provincial finals only at this grade. If you want to accuse them of scant coverage then do, and you may have a point, but it's not geographical bias whatever else it is. I was on duty for RTE.ie tonight and I will be again for the Connacht final on Saturday - and it's a long way from the Pale to Carrick on Shannon.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2014, 01:00:54 AM
So this thread also has insane contributors planted by RTE? Are the sane ones in Sky's pocket?
I don't know. Are they? I didn't say so either way and you know that, although you've chosen to interpret it that way - in what's a good example of the hair-trigger hyperbole and faint hysterics awash in this thread.
But you're naive if you think that RTE's own radio shows, news bulletins, current affairs journalists - and on-screen contributors with newspaper and internet columns like Brolly and O'Rourke - didn't or don't currently leverage them in some way to protect their own, and by extension RTE's interests. It's a natural phenomenon and not specifically an RTE one, but in any case my substantive point was that the predictable hand-wringing and will somebody please think of the pensioners is all a bit twee and parochial, in my opinion, and just takes the discussion out of the realm of the logical where it belongs.
Nobody will die and the fabric of our universe will not be irredeemably altered because SKY TV has nine GAA matches in a summer. If we actually waited to see how it pans out, it might actually...whisper it now...be a
good thing. And here's the really great part - if after the deal runs out, the GAA decides it hasn't been beneficial or doesn't merit renewal, or SKY make a bags of it, then they can simply bin it and move on or return to RTE or get new partners or whatever. Nothing is etched in stone.
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Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just checked the RTE website. Good account of the Dublin/Meath U-21 game.
Not a mention of the Ulster U-21games...no final scores even.
Shows their commitment to anything outside the Pale.
I hate to be cast in the role of defender of RTE, but in fairness to them, they cover provincial finals only at this grade. If you want to accuse them of scant coverage then do, and you may have a point, but it's not geographical bias whatever else it is. I was on duty for RTE.ie tonight and I will be again for the Connacht final on Saturday - and it's a long way from the Pale to Carrick on Shannon.
I did say good account of the Leinster game tonight...fair dues to you. Your efforts are appreciated by those unable to attend, the bonus of a well written account eliminate the need for the paper tomorrow.
Nice to hear that there is a plan in place - even if it is confined to provincial finals. With regard to earlier games within each province, surely the PRO of the provincial council (or one of the competing teams) can provide information to Donnybrook, who can then post it online?
Team line out, reasons for any late changes, weather report, crowd estimate, who scored and what minute...do that for the first half and email at halftime, do it again for the second half and we are there.
The GAA should look at covering the gaps to make sure updates are done in a timely manner. Bet a lot of board members here would offer to do it if they got free admission. I'm sure we could unearth a diamond in the rough that might turn into a career.
Anyway, looking forward to your report from the west...keep up the good work.
Jesus wept!
QuoteMark Conway, founder of the Of One Belief group:
...
I'm not a believer in the internationalisation of Gaelic games. The GAA was founded as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism and now to say the rest of the world should embrace gaelic games is arrogant.
"As a response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, are we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world?
"I think that's just a smokescreen. It's all about money. Every other sport in the world has gone down this road and it's made some people very wealthy.
Full rant here. (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-deal-will-do-irreparable-damage-264136.html)
God forbid if the higher-ups ever listen to this drivel.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 05:11:52 AM
Jesus wept!
QuoteFormer GAA PRO Danny Lynch claims the Sky media rights deal will do "irreparable damage" to the organisation.
...
I'm not a believer in the internationalisation of Gaelic games. The GAA was founded as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism and now to say the rest of the world should embrace gaelic games is arrogant.
"As a response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, are we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world?
"I think that's just a smokescreen. It's all about money. Every other sport in the world has gone down this road and it's made some people very wealthy.
Full rant here. (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-deal-will-do-irreparable-damage-264136.html)
Thank God he's no longer the association's PRO with that attitude.
Don't confuse turning the games into World Cup type stuff like FIFA versus having them played internationally governed by locals.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 05:11:52 AM
Jesus wept!
QuoteFormer GAA PRO Danny Lynch claims the Sky media rights deal will do "irreparable damage" to the organisation.
...
I'm not a believer in the internationalisation of Gaelic games. The GAA was founded as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism and now to say the rest of the world should embrace gaelic games is arrogant.
"As a response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, are we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world?
"I think that's just a smokescreen. It's all about money. Every other sport in the world has gone down this road and it's made some people very wealthy.
Full rant here. (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-deal-will-do-irreparable-damage-264136.html)
Thank God he's no longer the association's PRO with that attitude.
Em, they're quotes from Conway, not Lynch. Bit rough having a go at him for things he didn't say!
Good catch. Post amended.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 05:47:33 AM
Don't confuse turning the games into World Cup type stuff like FIFA versus having them played internationally governed by locals.
I'm very much aware of the difference. My book talks about it at great length.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 07:33:26 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 05:47:33 AM
Don't confuse turning the games into World Cup type stuff like FIFA versus having them played internationally governed by locals.
I'm very much aware of the difference. My book talks about it at great length.
Congrats on the book, by the way. However, the chapter as a preview seems to be a collection of quotes for other sources...30 in the chapter if I remember correctly...hardly original work, but more like a work that falls between a thesis on the high side and a school project on the low side. Hopefully there is some original thinking in the rest of it (I have not decided if I want to purchase yet as I'm very much afraid of a sour grapes type work).
What progress is being made in the schools in SF? Any healthy rivalries yet in high school games? How many kids are playing...that is the future. The number of teams in an area ultimately determine the success of our games.
Plus, your apparent hatred for Danny Lynch is not healthy.
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The coverage and analysis by RTE over the years has been terrible. I for one am looking forward to a fresh approach to GAA analysis instead of the drivel that RTE serves up. I wonder if they will try to up their game or continue to punish us with the same tripe that they try to pass as analysis.
+1.
And as for League Sunday - must be the worst sports programme ever. Typical D4 effort -any oul thing will do the bogmen as we concentrate on "real" sport like rubby.
Nail on the head. I think League Sunday infuriates me even more than The Committee Room/Championship matters. What a lazy show - 1 hour weekly when some weeks you have football/hurling on same weekend.
Have you ever seen against the head or Monday night Soccer?? Viewing for the condemned, I could hardly say they do more justice to the other sports than the shite attempt at GAA.
I watch Against the Head and like for like it's infinitely better than its GAA comparator Championshio Matters for one reason - it's 30 mins longer. Height of the Summer and the best RTE can do is 30 minutes.
Interesting that some county chairmen are complaining that they weren't consulted about this Sky deal. Do they not realise that they don't have to be consulted and that the group in Croke Park can work away on their own ?
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/tv3-in-turmoil-as-all-staff-offered-voluntary-redundancy-30151860.html
"It's the latest move in a dramatic start to the year for the station.
It has just lost its GAA broadcasting rights to Sky Sports while UTV, which is launching an Irish base next year, has been headhunting staff members.
The new UTV station is also set to take some of the biggest shows from TV3 - including 'Coronation Street' and 'I'm a Celebrity...' - which will heap further pressure on station bosses."
BTW WTF does 'UTV, which is launching an Irish base next year' mean? Is Belfast not in Ireland ?
I couldn't see TV3 surviving when UTV went all Ireland. Sure they show the same shit nearly. I actually thought, until recently, that TV3 was an ITV affiliate in R of Ireland.
QuoteInteresting that some county chairmen are complaining that they weren't consulted about this Sky deal. Do they not realise that they don't have to be consulted and that the group in Croke Park can work away on their own ?
The can work away on their own, but why would they want to, are they on a different side than other parts of the GAA?
I think, and I might be wrong here, that they are mandated to negotiate these deals on the behalf of the GAA. Every decision made does not go to congress. If a decision is made that, for example, TV deals are negotiated by XYZ, then XYZ doesn't have to go back to congress to ratify the deals.
A new motion would probably need to be passed to say that all TV deals need to be ratified at congress via vote.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 07:43:23 AM
Congrats on the book, by the way. However, the chapter as a preview seems to be a collection of quotes for other sources...30 in the chapter if I remember correctly...hardly original work,
Huh?
Only one direct quote in the first chapter. You must have me mixed up with someone else, mate.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 07:43:23 AM
What progress is being made in the schools in SF? Any healthy rivalries yet in high school games? How many kids are playing...that is the future.
Not sure, I don't have much involvement on the youth side. Used to have a great high school competition years ago, there's talk of trying to get it going again.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2014, 10:01:32 AM
I couldn't see TV3 surviving when UTV went all Ireland. Sure they show the same shit nearly. I actually thought, until recently, that TV3 was an ITV affiliate in R of Ireland.
It's owned by, or at least has a large percentage shares, Granada TV.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 05:11:52 AM
Jesus wept!
QuoteMark Conway, founder of the Of One Belief group:
...
I'm not a believer in the internationalisation of Gaelic games. The GAA was founded as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism and now to say the rest of the world should embrace gaelic games is arrogant.
"As a response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, are we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world?
"I think that's just a smokescreen. It's all about money. Every other sport in the world has gone down this road and it's made some people very wealthy.
Full rant here. (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-deal-will-do-irreparable-damage-264136.html)
God forbid if the higher-ups ever listen to this drivel.
The Purity Corner man is back again.
That type probably hate the games aspect of the GAA and would prefer if there weren't any - just a "holy pure" anti British/European/World /everything organisation.
Their high point was removing Dúbhghlas De hÍde from the role as Patron because he attended a Soccer match in hos role as President.
I was interested to see the break down of proposed GAA coverage once Sky gets started.
RTÉ & Sky secure GAA rights, RTÉ in worldwide deal
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A total of 31 matches will be shown live on RTÉ
A total of 31 matches will be shown live on RTÉ
RTÉ has secured rights to broadcast 31 games of the All-Ireland Championships in a new three-year agreement, with 20 games to be shown on Sky.
RTÉ has exclusive rights to 25 games, Sky Sports has exclusive rights to 14 games. A further six games - the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals in football and hurling - will be shown by both broadcasters.
In a separate development, RTÉ and the GAA are to launch an online paid-for service offering Gaelic Games to audiences worldwide. Games will be streamed in HD with studio programming exactly as broadcast to audiences in Ireland
The online service will enable users to watch the games on iPad or Android tablet, laptop, PC, Smart TV, or on mobile phone.
In Ireland, a total of 45 provincial and All-Ireland Championship matches will be broadcast live on television for the next three years.
The 31 championship games to be televised by RTÉ include the All-Ireland finals and semi-finals in both codes; the All-Ireland hurling quarter-finals; all six provincial finals in football and hurling; and two of the four All-Ireland football quarter-finals
Ulster Championship games covered by RTÉ, including the Provincial football final, will also be broadcast on BBC Northern Ireland.
Sky Sports has obtained exclusive Island of Ireland rights to 14 Championship games.
These consist of eight Saturday evening matches in the All-Ireland qualifiers, two All-Ireland football championship quarter-finals, and two Saturday evening and two Sunday Provincial championship games.
Confirmed fixtures which will be broadcast on Sky include Kilkenny v Offaly and Dublin v Wexford in the Leinster SHC; Sligo v Galway/London in the Connacht SFC; and Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan in the Ulster SFC.
Sky Sports will also broadcast the All-Ireland Hurling and Football semi-finals and finals, thus making 20 live games available to its subscribers throughout Britain and Ireland.
In addition the GAA revealed that fans in Australia will be able to watch all 45 games live on Channel 7.
RTÉ and Newstalk retain radio rights
Radio coverage of GAA games remains with RTÉ and Newstalk, while Raidió na Gaeltachta will continue to broadcast both league and Championship games.
TG4 has retained its package of Sunday afternoon Allianz League matches.
It has also been awarded coverage of the Electric Ireland All-Ireland Minor finals and will again cover AIB Club Championships, the Irish Daily Mail Fitzgibbon and Sigerson Cups, Masita All-Ireland Post-Primary Schools competitions, the Cadburys Under-21 Football Championship, Bord Gáis Energy Under-21 Hurling Championship and county finals.
It is anticipated that TG4 will again cover 62 live and 22 deferred games in each of the three years.
Setanta Sports will continue to broadcast Saturday evening Allianz Leagues games.
Sky Sports News to feature GAA
Managing Director of Sky Ireland JD Buckley said the broadcaster was honoured to secure rights for the first time: "It's a privilege to be partnering with the GAA to bring our customers top quality content.
Sky confirmed that midweek highlights as well as news and interviews will be carried on 24-hour channel Sky Sports News.
The broadcaster also said that a discount subscription offer may be made available to GAA clubs.
"We are committed to providing the best programming, service and value to our customers and Sky Sports will offer world class production values and a great viewing experience to GAA fans across the country.
"This marks another milestone in our continued investment in Ireland to better satisfy our customers."
31 games free to air on RTÉ
RTÉ's Group Head of Sport Ryle Nugent said he was delighted with securing 31 matches, as well as the new online initiatives.
He said: "In an increasingly competitive market, we are delighted to retain these television and radio rights on behalf of the Irish public, ensuring that coverage of Gaelic games is delivered free-to-air to Irish audiences until 2017.
"We in RTÉ Sport are conscious of our long standing heritage with the GAA while also being passionate about constantly evolving our coverage.
"Year-on-year increases for RTÉ's GAA Championship content across all platforms underlines the fact that the Irish public are fully engaged with our comprehensive coverage.
"Given the financial challenges that RTÉ faces, we have had to prioritise our investment in securing sports rights to deliver coverage of our national teams, national games and major events and we are delighted to retain these rights and to continue sharing this major Irish sporting and cultural experience with the Irish public."
TV3 said it was disappointed at missing out on media rights for the sport.
Director of Broadcasting Niall Cogley said: "TV3 has been proud to broadcast the GAA Championship free to viewers throughout the country over the past six years.
"TV3 made a very commercial bid for the next three years but this appears to have been superseded by the GAA's preference for a pay television strategy.
"While this was obviously not our choice, it leaves TV3 in a better position to secure other sports properties to sit alongside our prime-time Champions League coverage like tonight's Manchester United v Bayern Munich fixture.
"We hope to be in a position to make announcements in this regard in the near future."
How does this Conway man get air time! He seems to appear only to argue about something.
Well sure you get what you vote for. The GAA, a multimillion Euro business is being run by 2 schoolteachers, what on earth would they know about running a business?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
How does this Conway man get air time! He seems to appear only to argue about something.
You obviously know very little about the man and what he does for his club and Tyrone GAA.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 03, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
Well sure you get what you vote for. The GAA, a multimillion Euro business is being run by 2 schoolteachers, what on earth would they know about running a business?
Ara sure isn't the country being run by a school teacher!
Liveline is at it again today.
This deal will cause young men to turn to drink and gambling because Sky don't have the restrictions that RTE have.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 05:11:52 AM
Jesus wept!
QuoteMark Conway, founder of the Of One Belief group:
...
I'm not a believer in the internationalisation of Gaelic games. The GAA was founded as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism and now
to say the rest of the world should embrace gaelic games is arrogant.
"As a response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, are we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world?
"I think that's just a smokescreen. It's all about money. Every other sport in the world has gone down this road and it's made some people very wealthy.
Full rant here. (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-deal-will-do-irreparable-damage-264136.html)
God forbid if the higher-ups ever listen to this drivel.
The Purity Corner man is back again.
That type probably hate the games aspect of the GAA and would prefer if there weren't any - just a "holy pure" anti British/European/World /everything organisation.
Their high point was removing Dúbhghlas De hÍde from the role as Patron because he attended a Soccer match in hos role as President.
Insane, "internationalization" means letting emigrants keep in touch with the games at home.
What an arsehole.
So you choose to insult the man rather than think about what he's saying?
He's not talking about denying emigrants access to games. He's talking about constant focus on making the games international and how's it's merely a smokescreen for finance deals. Only when the GAA is seen as international by sponsors will it get top dollar.
This new international audience gives a larger pool for sponsors to pitch to. The GAA can make from deals down the line. The mechanism of Sky is nothing to do with Paddy in Melbourne seeing Offaly play Kilkenny. There are much simpler and easier ways to do that. This is about finance plain and simple and the grassroots at home can just put up with it.
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Gaelic Players Association founder Donal O'Neill predicts the GAA's entire commercial revenues will grow significantly as a result of bringing Sky Sports into their stable of media partners.
"Sky are going to bring additional value to the GAA's entire commercial stock and while the sponsorship deals might not be happening now, they will increase in value because of Sky," said the former IMG sales and marketing manager.
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 02:30:26 PM
So you choose to insult the man rather than think about what he's saying?
He's not talking about denying emigrants access to games. He's talking about constant focus on making the games international and how's it's merely a smokescreen for finance deals. Only when the GAA is seen as international by sponsors will it get top dollar.
This new international audience gives a larger pool for sponsors to pitch to. The GAA can make from deals down the line. The mechanism of Sky is nothing to do with Paddy in Melbourne seeing Offaly play Kilkenny. There are much simpler and easier ways to do that. This is about finance plain and simple and the grassroots at home can just put up with it.
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Gaelic Players Association founder Donal O'Neill predicts the GAA's entire commercial revenues will grow significantly as a result of bringing Sky Sports into their stable of media partners.
"Sky are going to bring additional value to the GAA's entire commercial stock and while the sponsorship deals might not be happening now, they will increase in value because of Sky," said the former IMG sales and marketing manager.
Is this also not good news for the likes of Hunkey Doreys with their product potentially getting global exposure even if it is to only the Irish diaspora let alone a new audience?
It'll make it easier and beneficial to counties when they go looking new sponsors
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
How does this Conway man get air time! He seems to appear only to argue about something.
You obviously know very little about the man and what he does for his club and Tyrone GAA.
We're all doing our bit for club and county but that doesn't give us the right to spout inane nonsense that would have you laughed out of house and home. Of course you can disagree with this but going on about colonialism and the "response to the Anglicisation of Ireland, we now trying to 'Gaelicise' the world" is backward nonsense. He then claims this is about money when it clearly wasn't a commercial decision.
This is a classic example of the high horse, indignant, self importance of some GAA folk (and Irish people) who only love to elevate everything into a national disaster. Let's look at the simple facts -
1. There are only 9 free to air games less this year, most of them with limited national appeal.
2. Every year inter county games are played with loads of room for thousands more supporters but now we seemingly have thousands upon thousands distraught supporters that can't watch these games. Not everyone of them is an 80 year old mountain dweller, are they?
3. This is a 3 year deal, if it isn't working for the GAA it can be altered or scraped altogether. This isn't the end of the world and anyone who says Sky are automatically going to get a bigger slice of the pie are simply scaremongering. As 'wobbler' posted, if they do it's only because they are doing a good job for the GAA.
Well said Zulu!
I find it bizarre how people how people are ranting that "this is all about money", as if money coming in is a bad thing. The GAA has a duty to maximise its commercial revenue. It has a duty to try and bring in as much money as possible, because you can't run the GAA without money. Croke Park wasn't built by volunteer construction workers, neither are clubhouses and pitches all over the country. Development structures can't happen without money. Games Promotion Officers and full time officials have to be paid.
What are sponsors logos on jerseys about? What were the Guinness and Bank of Ireland sponsorships of the championships about? What are the Etihad, Super Valu, Centra, Liberty Insurance and Ulster Bank sponsorship deals for the championships about? What is the AIB sponsorship of the All-Ireland club championships about?
Money.
Is Mark Conway complaining about all that?
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
I find it bizarre how people how people are ranting that "this is all about money", as if money coming in is a bad thing. The GAA has a duty to maximise its commercial revenue. It has a duty to try and bring in as much money as possible, because you can't run the GAA without money. Croke Park wasn't built by volunteer construction workers, neither are clubhouses and pitches all over the country. Development structures can't happen without money. Games Promotion Officers and full time officials have to be paid.
What are sponsors logos on jerseys about? What were the Guinness and Bank of Ireland sponsorships of the championships about? What are the Etihad, Super Valu, Centra, Liberty Insurance and Ulster Bank sponsorship deals for the championships about? What is the AIB sponsorship of the All-Ireland club championships about?
Money.
Is Mark Conway complaining about all that?
Ours was.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 03, 2014, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
I find it bizarre how people how people are ranting that "this is all about money", as if money coming in is a bad thing. The GAA has a duty to maximise its commercial revenue. It has a duty to try and bring in as much money as possible, because you can't run the GAA without money. Croke Park wasn't built by volunteer construction workers, neither are clubhouses and pitches all over the country. Development structures can't happen without money. Games Promotion Officers and full time officials have to be paid.
What are sponsors logos on jerseys about? What were the Guinness and Bank of Ireland sponsorships of the championships about? What are the Etihad, Super Valu, Centra, Liberty Insurance and Ulster Bank sponsorship deals for the championships about? What is the AIB sponsorship of the All-Ireland club championships about?
Money.
Is Mark Conway complaining about all that?
Ours was.
Good for you.
Here's an example of something that doesn't build itself and the type of sums involved.
http://dunshaughlingaa.com/fundraising/
Is Mark Conway against club lottos and race nights? What are they about? Money.
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 02:30:26 PM
So you choose to insult the man rather than think about what he's saying?
He's not talking about denying emigrants access to games. He's talking about constant focus on making the games international and how's it's merely a smokescreen for finance deals. Only when the GAA is seen as international by sponsors will it get top dollar.
This new international audience gives a larger pool for sponsors to pitch to. The GAA can make from deals down the line. The mechanism of Sky is nothing to do with Paddy in Melbourne seeing Offaly play Kilkenny. There are much simpler and easier ways to do that. This is about finance plain and simple and the grassroots at home can just put up with it.
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Gaelic Players Association founder Donal O'Neill predicts the GAA's entire commercial revenues will grow significantly as a result of bringing Sky Sports into their stable of media partners.
"Sky are going to bring additional value to the GAA's entire commercial stock and while the sponsorship deals might not be happening now, they will increase in value because of Sky," said the former IMG sales and marketing manager.
Where's the problem with any of that?
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 03, 2014, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
I find it bizarre how people how people are ranting that "this is all about money", as if money coming in is a bad thing. The GAA has a duty to maximise its commercial revenue. It has a duty to try and bring in as much money as possible, because you can't run the GAA without money. Croke Park wasn't built by volunteer construction workers, neither are clubhouses and pitches all over the country. Development structures can't happen without money. Games Promotion Officers and full time officials have to be paid.
What are sponsors logos on jerseys about? What were the Guinness and Bank of Ireland sponsorships of the championships about? What are the Etihad, Super Valu, Centra, Liberty Insurance and Ulster Bank sponsorship deals for the championships about? What is the AIB sponsorship of the All-Ireland club championships about?
Money.
Is Mark Conway complaining about all that?
Ours was.
Good for you.
Here's an example of something that doesn't build itself and the type of sums involved.
http://dunshaughlingaa.com/fundraising/
Is Mark Conway against club lottos and race nights? What are they about? Money.
I agree Sidney, the concept that money is a dirty word in the GAA is baffling. When the money that is raised goes back into the organisation then generating money is a good thing. We all want better facilities, more CDA's to promote the games and the ability to look after players medical and training needs (club and county) and these all cost money. We've had debates here about promoting the Railway cup and the national leagues better, well guess what, that costs money. If we want to remain as the biggest and best sports organisation in Ireland then we have to be able to match other sports in the spending stakes, it's as simple as that.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2014, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 02:30:26 PM
So you choose to insult the man rather than think about what he's saying?
He's not talking about denying emigrants access to games. He's talking about constant focus on making the games international and how's it's merely a smokescreen for finance deals. Only when the GAA is seen as international by sponsors will it get top dollar.
This new international audience gives a larger pool for sponsors to pitch to. The GAA can make from deals down the line. The mechanism of Sky is nothing to do with Paddy in Melbourne seeing Offaly play Kilkenny. There are much simpler and easier ways to do that. This is about finance plain and simple and the grassroots at home can just put up with it.
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Gaelic Players Association founder Donal O'Neill predicts the GAA's entire commercial revenues will grow significantly as a result of bringing Sky Sports into their stable of media partners.
"Sky are going to bring additional value to the GAA's entire commercial stock and while the sponsorship deals might not be happening now, they will increase in value because of Sky," said the former IMG sales and marketing manager.
Where's the problem with any of that?
The problem people like Mark Conway have is that they live in a la la world. They don't understand that in order to remain the primarily volunteer-led, community organisation that everybody in the GAA prides itself as, business decisions have to be made. Building the new Croke Park was a business decision. Bringing in proper live coverage of the provincial championships in the mid-90s was a business decision. The Dublin County Board courting Vodafone and AIG was a business decision. Every sponsorship deal for every club in the country is a business decision. Business decisions are made at every level of the GAA and it can't survive without them.
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
I think that's a defence mechanism against the Grab All Association jibes that people put up with. Now it's like we have to be almost alergic to any big money stuff. Of course the weekly club lotto is grand because nobody passes any remarks to that.
I agree that if Sky, or increased exposure, results in more merchandise, more fans, more ticket sales, whatever, then great. Take the money and plough it back into the association as it always is. More the merrier.
Do you think ticket prices will be reduced or will it be a case that clubs will get reduced affiliation fees as a result of the increased revenue ?
Why should ticket prices be reduced, there are great ticket deals already? Why would you reduce affiliation fees? There isn't a large increase in revenue so why would you give that away for minimal (none really) advantage to clubs.
I'm against paying for things.
In general.
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
Do you think ticket prices will be reduced or will it be a case that clubs will get reduced affiliation fees as a result of the increased revenue ?
No cause that is the county boards setting the rate, who if they receive extra funds from Croke park will likely spend it on county teams.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Why should ticket prices be reduced, there are great ticket deals already? Why would you reduce affiliation fees? There isn't a large increase in revenue so why would you give that away for minimal (none really) advantage to clubs.
ok. If the GAA were to find themselves making much increased profits as a result of this great deal with SKY and as more than one president etc ( in order to appease / excuse the move) has said that the money will be ploughed back into the clubs, do you think that reducing the affiliation fees of already cash strapped clubs would be a runner / possibility / likelihood ?.
County boards don't set inter county ticket prices.
A bit of a leading question there orangeman. You seem to have your mind made up on this already.
Firstly, the deal with Sky is almost revenue neutral if we are to believe the GAA, and I don't have any reason to disbelieve them on that subject.
So, if there are extra funds in the longer term, due to increased exposure, more jersies, more tickets etc, then I'm sure the money would be ploughed back into the GAA according to existing arrangements. Development squads, infrastructure grands, coaching assistance, Cúl camps, Easter Camps, etc etc etc. And again, that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
I have no problem with the deal as it appears . but questions must be asked
was any commission paid to any GAA members/Officials or agency. which i imagine is par for the course in professional sports?
will any GAA people involved in the deal be employed as consultants regarding the coverage.
Are any of the very enthusiastic Tweets by older and former just a lick arse attempt to please Sky in the hope of a job(GOOD) or are they sponsored (BAD)
this would i think a lot of peoples view of the situation
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Why should ticket prices be reduced, there are great ticket deals already? Why would you reduce affiliation fees? There isn't a large increase in revenue so why would you give that away for minimal (none really) advantage to clubs.
ok. If the GAA were to find themselves making much increased profits as a result of this great deal with SKY and as more than one president etc ( in order to appease / excuse the move) has said that the money will be ploughed back into the clubs, do you think that reducing the affiliation fees of already cash strapped clubs would be a runner / possibility / likelihood ?.
I'd doubt it and I wouldn't be in favour of doing that. If the GAA had a €1 million to give to clubs I'd sooner see 10 clubs get €100,000 to help build a 3G floodlight pitch (or something like that) than give 2,500 clubs €400 each, which while helpful really makes no odds to anyone.
I think the GAA should use the money from the Sky deal to pay for a Sky subscription for all elderly people in rural Ireland.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
I think the GAA should use the money from the Sky deal to pay for a Sky subscription for all elderly people in rural Ireland.
And set up a tab in all the pubs.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Why should ticket prices be reduced, there are great ticket deals already? Why would you reduce affiliation fees? There isn't a large increase in revenue so why would you give that away for minimal (none really) advantage to clubs.
ok. If the GAA were to find themselves making much increased profits as a result of this great deal with SKY and as more than one president etc ( in order to appease / excuse the move) has said that the money will be ploughed back into the clubs, do you think that reducing the affiliation fees of already cash strapped clubs would be a runner / possibility / likelihood ?.
I'd doubt it and I wouldn't be in favour of doing that. If the GAA had a €1 million to give to clubs I'd sooner see 10 clubs get €100,000 to help build a 3G floodlight pitch (or something like that) than give 2,500 clubs €400 each, which while helpful really makes no odds to anyone.
I think clubs, some of whom gripe about the rising affiliation fees would greatly appreciate a reduction in their fees even if it were €400 a club. That way the GAA could rightly claim that the Sky and other deals have been good for clubs and that some of the money went directly to the clubs by way of a reduction in their annual fees.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2014, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
I think the GAA should use the money from the Sky deal to pay for a Sky subscription for all elderly people in rural Ireland.
And set up a tab in all the pubs.
And obviously pay for the taxis home as well.
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Why should ticket prices be reduced, there are great ticket deals already? Why would you reduce affiliation fees? There isn't a large increase in revenue so why would you give that away for minimal (none really) advantage to clubs.
ok. If the GAA were to find themselves making much increased profits as a result of this great deal with SKY and as more than one president etc ( in order to appease / excuse the move) has said that the money will be ploughed back into the clubs, do you think that reducing the affiliation fees of already cash strapped clubs would be a runner / possibility / likelihood ?.
I'd doubt it and I wouldn't be in favour of doing that. If the GAA had a €1 million to give to clubs I'd sooner see 10 clubs get €100,000 to help build a 3G floodlight pitch (or something like that) than give 2,500 clubs €400 each, which while helpful really makes no odds to anyone.
I think clubs, some of whom gripe about the rising affiliation fees would greatly appreciate a reduction in their fees even if it were €400 a club. That way the GAA could rightly claim that the Sky and other deals have been good for clubs and that some of the money went directly to the clubs by way of a reduction in their annual fees.
We'd certainly appreciate a €400 reduction in our annual outlay but if in 5 years time we wanted to develop our clubhouse, build a 3G pitch or install floodlights and when we applied for assistance from the GAA they couldn't help us because they were giving clubs like Kilmacud Crokes, St. Vincents, Nemo Rangers, Blackrock, Mount Sion, Ballinderry etc. €400 a year off affiliation fees I'd be pretty disappointed as those, and many others, would be just fine without that €400 reduction. Clubs don't come much smaller or broke than my own and €400 would make no odds to us, albeit nice to have.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
Can you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
Can you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
Sure if you go to the games you have to pay money to get past an ACTUAL wall. Or should all GAA members have free entry to games as well? Any profits from this deal will be put back into the GAA, I'm sure of that.
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
Can you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat this but GAA fans outside Ireland faced paywalls for years. Where's the righteous indignation on our behalf?
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games?
1- nobody is being forced to do anything - watching a game is voluntary as is paying for Sky TV.
2- more people than members of the GAA watch Gaelic games on TV. In fact I'd say a lot of members of the GAA are probably engaged in club games/affairs and too busy to watch a tv game.
3- what about the 40 odd Championship games that NOBODY can see on TV?
Is it 20 games of football and 20 of hurling or is it 20 combined?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
Can you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
Sure if you go to the games you have to pay money to get past an ACTUAL wall. Or should all GAA members have free entry to games as well? Any profits from this deal will be put back into the GAA, I'm sure of that.
Logically you are saying that because you have to pay into a game, then you have no problem with all games being pay per view. Is that your position?
Not at all, but logically you seem to be saying that no-one who gives their time to the GAA should have to pay to view the games on telly. Does this extend to never having to pay to watch 'our games' at all? And if not, what's the difference?
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PMCan you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
you are wasting your time roney.
there is nothing wrong with making money for the gaa. but not at any price. club sponsorships are nearly always of local benefit with many sponsors either being actively involved with their club. entrance money into games is no different from paying to watch a play by a local amateur drama group, clubs and counties try to raise funds and get the best deals. but if there is more going out than coming in then you must cut your cloth as you need.
but there are principles that you, me and many others have where money does not go above everything else. as i have said i refuse to give any money to the murdoch empire. look at the front page of the irish sun today for one very small reason why.
the problem is that ireland is and has been full of gombeen men with very few morals and principles, who would sell their mothers if there was a few bob in it for them. foreigners know this when they deal with irish people and companies on how to deal with us. and the smarter gombeens also know this. the dail is full of them, getting elected by less smart gombeens who will happily sell their vote to get a personal favour over money going towards hospitals and education. got mine, f**k you.
when people with principles start to stand up and make their voice heard, it scares the gombeen, they call them backwards, stupid, anti business, against the gaa. all the shit of the day like that fianna fail threw at people who warned of a property bubble a decade ago. maybe we should commit suicide?
remember when you do a deal with sky, when they say jump you ask 'how high'?
God between us and all harm !!! ::)
I'm a Gael who lives on the Island of Ireland who couldn't see any games televised by TV3. For many years the only way I could see games on RTE was on the Sky Ireland platform (acquired at additional expense), I can still only get RTE on Sky, RTE geoblocks RTE player to me even though I live on the Island of Ireland. I expect Sky to promote the games they'll cover instead of denigrating them. Hopefully this will put a rocket under RTE. Personally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
ps I pay setanta to watch league games because I want to. Its my choice, i don't expect to be handed everything for free.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
Lookit, I can understand why people are upset at this development. And I know the people who feel strongly about it have very good reasons in their own minds for doing so. But I consider myself a strong supporter of the GAA. One of those volunteers we all hear about, and someone whose whole life has revolved around the GAA. And I can see this as a positive development for the GAA in terms of increasing exposure, and yes, increasing revenue from the spin offs. I would prefer if every game was free on TV for everyone, but unfotunately in my opinion RTE have treated the games with disdain, especially football, and I think Sky will put a new approach and a new spin on this.
I would not like to lose any more games to Sky, personally, or I should say I would not like to reduce the Free to Air number any more. If sky want to pick up some games not on RTE's slate, then I'd be happy with that.
But I think we need to look at this as an opportunity to get more exposure in the UK, maybe make more money for the GAA from sponsorship deals etc with that added exposure, and take that money and use if for something tangible in our clubs.
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
I'm a Gael who lives on the Island of Ireland who couldn't see any games televised by TV3. For many years the only way I could see games on RTE was on the Sky Ireland platform (acquired at additional expense), I can still only get RTE on Sky, RTE geoblocks RTE player to me even though I live on the Island of Ireland. I expect Sky to promote the games they'll cover instead of denigrating them. Hopefully this will put a rocket under RTE. Personally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
ps I pay setanta to watch league games because I want to. Its my choice, i don't expect to be handed everything for free.
+1
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
What about the scores of games not on any television? Again, I understand the frustration, but people are blowing it out of proportion I think. There are several Leinster Championship games in football and hurling that won't be on any TV channel. Is this a disgrace as well?
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PMPersonally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
got mine, f**k you eh?
Who GAF when I couldn't get RTE or TV3 in my part of Ireland. Who was ranting on Liveline when broadcast rights were given to TV companies who don't broadcast to the whole Island?
Plenty people got theirs and F**k me eh?
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 03, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Wasnt so long ago his Club Tyrone were going around the states with their caps out looking finance. No problem taking it of Paddy in New York who may not have it to give but a crime to take it of sky. Does Mr Conway not think this money will be reinvested in the GAA or does he think the top brass are going to line their pockets?
Can you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
Do you have a problem with having to pay in to see your own club play a county championship match? Or should that be free as well?
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
Ah ffs - lads it's only a few games, will ye stop this 'would someone think of the children' shite. We appear to have an inherent need to be outraged. Think Thierry Henry's handball, Brian O'Driscoll during the Lions tour, Roy Keane etc etc.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: roney on April 03, 2014, 04:16:56 PMCan you not see the difference between a voluntary donation to the GAA and forcing members to part with money to get past a pay wall to view their own games? The whole point of his Club Tyrone model is that it's done voluntarily and without expecting anything in return. It called the ethos of the GAA, or possibly former ethos at this stage.
you are wasting your time roney.
there is nothing wrong with making money for the gaa. but not at any price. club sponsorships are nearly always of local benefit with many sponsors either being actively involved with their club. entrance money into games is no different from paying to watch a play by a local amateur drama group, clubs and counties try to raise funds and get the best deals. but if there is more going out than coming in then you must cut your cloth as you need.
but there are principles that you, me and many others have where money does not go above everything else. as i have said i refuse to give any money to the murdoch empire. look at the front page of the irish sun today for one very small reason why.
the problem is that ireland is and has been full of gombeen men with very few morals and principles, who would sell their mothers if there was a few bob in it for them. foreigners know this when they deal with irish people and companies on how to deal with us. and the smarter gombeens also know this. the dail is full of them, getting elected by less smart gombeens who will happily sell their vote to get a personal favour over money going towards hospitals and education. got mine, f**k you.
when people with principles start to stand up and make their voice heard, it scares the gombeen, they call them backwards, stupid, anti business, against the gaa. all the shit of the day like that fianna fail threw at people who warned of a property bubble a decade ago. maybe we should commit suicide?
remember when you do a deal with sky, when they say jump you ask 'how high'?
Not arguments. Merely emotive bluster. Would you be saying the same thing if it was BT Sport who had bought the rights?
In 1995 when live TV for the provincial championships was mooted, the same type of bluster was used to argue against it. It would damage the club game, it would damage attendances at matches screened live.
I'd venture that a lot of the same people who were scaremongering back in 1995 about the supposed negative effect of live TV are those scaremongering again about this deal.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PMPersonally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
got mine, f**k you eh?
Which is the same attitude you took whilst he couldn't get the games on TV3?
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
Ah ffs - lads it's only a few games, will ye stop this 'would someone think of the children' shite. We appear to have an inherent need to be outraged. Think Thierry Henry's handball, Brian O'Driscoll during the Lions tour, Roy Keane etc etc.
Don't forget Mary Byrne being voted off X-Factor.
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
Ah ffs - lads it's only a few games, will ye stop this 'would someone think of the children' shite. We appear to have an inherent need to be outraged. Think Thierry Henry's handball, Brian O'Driscoll during the Lions tour, Roy Keane etc etc.
Don't forget Mary Byrne being voted off X-Factor.
Sean Cavannaghs rugby tackle
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 06:18:43 PMNot arguments. Merely emotive bluster. Would you be saying the same thing if it was BT Sport who had bought the rights?
In 1995 when live TV for the provincial championships was mooted, the same type of bluster was used to argue against it. It would damage the club game, it would damage attendances at matches screened live.
I'd venture that a lot of the same people who were scaremongering back in 1995 about the supposed negative effect of live TV are those scaremongering again about this deal.
by dismissing what i wrtie as 'emotive bluster' proves that gombeens like you have no pride, no principles and no morals except when money is involved. i might not have been too happy with bt sports getting the rights instead, but as far as i am aware the main shareholders of bt have never stood by their outlets making anti irish slurs, whipping up anti irish feelings in britain, cheerleading for bombs to be dropped on innocent people and calling it 'regime change' or the 'war on terror', or knowing that journalists you employ are hacking into mobile answerphones of missing children. i am not a hore that is bought and sold easly.
the idea that live tv games can affect attendance is not just in the gaa. in the six counties and in britain you cannot see any 3 pm game on a saturday in the premier league because the fa fear that attendances at other games would otherwise drop. are the english fa scaremongering for having this broadcast ban in place? but that is just diverting from the real issue.
This thread is some craic now the new lads have come on board. Prime Time - check. Live Line -Check. Now, you take gaaboard and ill phone Stephen Nolan.
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a month of their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
There's 31 matches they can watch, which is a whole lot more than was available free to air when they were young.
Next question.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PMPersonally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
got mine, f**k you eh?
That's exactly the attitude of many of the whingers who don't seem to care about ex-pat viewers who faced a paywall for years.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 06:03:35 PM
azoffaly i already said that i dont have a problem with gaa games being on a subscription tv channel or even having less games available free to air. my problem is that the gaa have done a deal with a foreign company whose main shareholder has the morals of a sewer rat. so much for the gaa telling clubs and counties to support irish industry as well.
rte really do need a good kick up the arse with their coverage, but an extra deal could have been done without going to sky. setanta or even utv could have been better alternatives.
Setanta saw the GAA as a revenue stream to build their business. Once they got established they positioned themselves as a provider of rugby and Premiership soccer. Setanta is no charity, they were happy to grab $20/head off GAA volunteers around the world for years. They took RTE's unprofessional presentation and hid the games behind such a high pay-per-view paywall that only die-hard fans got to see them. Sky will put a proper presentation on the games, won't bad-mouth them, and they'll put them in front of a new audience in a positive light. Setanta is not a better alternative.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 06:51:33 PMThis thread is some craic now the new lads have come on board. Prime Time - check. Live Line -Check. Now, you take gaaboard and ill phone Stephen Nolan.
as i said earlier, gombeens get scared when people with principles and morals speak out.
What's your principles? That as long as everyone in Ireland is ok, well feck everyone who has for one reason or another had to emigrate? As long as you get EVERY SINGLE game for FREE, you don't care if the millions of Irish abroad get to see ANY of the games. You have principles for yourself only and the greatest principle you stand up for is the principle of being outraged at every opportunity and insulting anyone who disagrees, by in some way inferring they are less Irish than you. I'm sure Joe Duffy loves you guys.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PMPersonally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
got mine, f**k you eh?
That's exactly the attitude of many of the whingers who don't seem to care about ex-pat viewers who faced a paywall for years.
two wrongs dont make a right.
And where was your moral outrage when this wrong was occurring? It didn't impact on you so you didn't care! Principles - my ass!
If you're going to boycott every single business that has some involvement in something unethical then you're going to find it very hard to get through your day. I hope you don't buy any petrol from BP after they pumped all that oil into the Gulf of Mexico a few years ago and destroyed all that wildlife.
Is 5thmantackle Lawnseed in disguise?
He obviously went to the same spelling/typing sKoOle anyway :)
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
by dismissing what i wrtie as 'emotive bluster' proves that gombeens like you have no pride, no principles and no morals except for money. i might not have been too happy with bt sports getting it instead, but as much as i know the main shareholders of bt have never stood by their outlets making anti irish slurs, whipping up anti irish feelings in britain, cheerleading for bombs to be dropped on innocent people and calling it 'regime change' or the 'war on terror', or know that journalists you hire are hacking into mobile answerfones of missing children. i am not a hore that is bought and sold easly.
I presume you think Liverpool supporters are people with no morals and no principles because they
only boycott The Sun, and still subscribe to Sky in their hundreds of thousands? I'm sure there's even a few who buy The Times.
Why aren't you complaining that the GAA have once again given radio rights to Newstalk? They're owned by Denis O'Brien, a well-known tax avoider and anti-trade union man who also controls INM, which also cheerled the Iraq War.
Where's your consistency here?
GAA TV cash should be going direct into a players fund
Can you list the companies and countries which meet your ethical standards and provide links or histories of these companies and countries that prove they meet these exacting standards? Can you also tells us if we can ignore the behaviour of companies and countries before a certain date, for example can we buy anything from Germany or are they still guilty by association with Nazism?
If I understand your point, in between insulting all and sundry, it's the GAA shouldn't deal with Sky. Your objection is nothing to do with pensioners not being able to afford it or 'true gaels' having to pay for GAA matches, it's simply that Sky don't meet your ethical standards?
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 06:51:33 PMThis thread is some craic now the new lads have come on board. Prime Time - check. Live Line -Check. Now, you take gaaboard and ill phone Stephen Nolan.
as i said earlier, gombeens get scared when people with principles and morals speak out.
What's your principles? That as long as everyone in Ireland is ok, well feck everyone who has for one reason or another had to emigrate? As long as you get EVERY SINGLE game for FREE, you don't care if the millions of Irish abroad get to see ANY of the games. You have principles for yourself only and the greatest principle you stand up for is the principle of being outraged at every opportunity and insulting anyone who disagrees, by in some way inferring they are less Irish than you. I'm sure Joe Duffy loves you guys.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2014, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 05:39:21 PMPersonally ICGAF if Sky got all the games.
got mine, f**k you eh?
That's exactly the attitude of many of the whingers who don't seem to care about ex-pat viewers who faced a paywall for years.
two wrongs dont make a right.
And where was your moral outrage when this wrong was occurring? It didn't impact on you so you didn't care! Principles - my ass!
where did i say that i should get to watch every single game for free? i have not. where did I say that irish men and women abroad should not have any access to gaa games? i have not either. i have insulted nobody except the gombeens of this island and elsewhere who resort to lying and smears when they get shown up and challenged. no wonder bertie ahern and fianna fail where in power for so long, you elect the people you deserve.
my principles are that i will not deal with or buy products or services from businesses, companies and countries which have poor ethics, human and workers rights and are also corrupt or aid corruption. the gaa i would like to take such a role themselves with their place in irish society. news corp are as grubby as they come anywhere on this planet, for that reason i refuse to subscribe to sky, buy the sun or the english times. as another example some people here boycott goods made in israel. 30 years ago dunne stores workers went on strike in a recession to support a boycott of selling products brought from white rule south africa, how many irish people today would say that they should shut up and be lucky to have a job but also said that nelson mandela was a great guy? sadly i think there would be a lot.
oh i think the gaa rights package agreed now is a great deal for those outside of ireland and uk compared to what was there before. i do think about people other than myself, including irish men and women who have went abroad, especially those who have had to emigrate to work thanks to the gombeens who have ruined ireland and i think more should be done to help them connect closer to home. but rather than ask a question, you would prefer to make shit up. ::)
The only gombeen here is yourself for trying to make a comparison between the Dunnes Stores Apartheid strike and nine matches that were free to air last year going to a subscription TV service.
Have we a hundred pager here??
Elaborate 5thManTackle, you can't put yourself on a moral pedestal and not explain what is ok and what is not ok, in your opinion, of course. So answer my questions please?
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 07:57:23 PM
I presume you think Liverpool supporters are people with no morals and no principles because they only boycott The Sun, and still subscribe to Sky in their hundreds of thousands? I'm sure there's even a few who buy The Times.
Why aren't you complaining that the GAA have once again given radio rights to Newstalk? They're owned by Denis O'Brien, a well-known tax avoider and anti-trade union man who also controls INM, which also cheerled the Iraq War.
Where's your consistency here?
not just liverpool supporters that boycott the sun, everton fans dont buy lots of copies of it too. the target is the sun because of the lies and smears they printed over hillsborough. you need to ask them why some subscribe to sky as im not a liverpool or everton fan. slightly hypocritical in my view but the boycott is principled. only begrudgers would oppose them.
its funny that you name denis o brien like its a bad thing when you say that the gaa should maximise its revenue streams yet o brien is doing the same. :D :D ireland has made its own rod in its back with its tax laws, and tax avoidance isnt illegal. tax evasion is. also o brien could bluster all he wanted about iraq. he has no voice where it mattered the most, in washington and london unlike murdoch. denis o brien is a big fish in a small pond. i dont boycott things just because i dont always agree 100% with their politics. also newstalks radio coverage is not as good as rte but do those who whinge about the lack of tv3s coverage do the same about newstalk?
my consistency extends beyond just the gaa and the murdochs in my life. consistency is something gombeens fail to really understand.
But you haven't been consistent. You're a hypocrite. You say you're principled but yet you've just defended tax avoidance, despite it being ethically questionable at best. You say won't oppose Liverpool fans for not boycotting Sky and The Times because you'd be a "begrudger" yet you're ranting about the GAA giving 9 matches that were on TV3 last year to Sky this year.
i dont boycott things just because i dont always agree 100% with their politics. I find that line quite funny, given your previous rants. Where are your principles now?
Oh yeah, by the way, I try not to buy Israeli goods if possible. I try to avoid buying Nestle products if possible. I don't buy The Sun or the any of the INM stable of newspapers. I've never given even a low number vote to Fianna Fail or Fine Gael. I have no love for Rupert Murdoch. These are my personal choices but I'm not going to impose them onto anybody else.
Do I think that Sky Sports are a top class broadcaster? Yes. Do I see that they can benefit the GAA in terms of coverage and promotion of the games and in terms of maximising revenue? Hell, yes.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 03, 2014, 08:29:20 PMThe only gombeen here is yourself for trying to make a comparison between the Dunnes Stores Apartheid strike and nine matches that were free to air last year going to a subscription TV service.
nope. im making a comparison between a boycott against apartheid and a boycott against a company whos main shareholder corrupts law and democracy.
either your mind is too simple or you should join bennyharp in the liars corner. ;)
Again I'll refer you to what you wrote above:
i dont boycott things just because i dont always agree 100% with their politics. You really are all over the place, here.
Quote from: Black Card on April 03, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
Anyone living in Ireland who wants to see a certain 9 games games (many of which didn't even exist a few years ago), don't have a subscription and are too lazy/unable to get to the actual match - losers
You really are a most hateful and unlikable soul, what about people who lived for GAA but now in later life have mobility issues and no intention of paying 30 quid a monthof their pension for the ability to watch the matches.
That would pay into a right few matches if they were really all that bothered.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
Is 5thmantackle Lawnseed in disguise?
He obviously went to the same spelling/typing sKoOle anyway :)
He is hitting a higher than normal count of Gombeens but hasn't mentioned dung outs so I am not so sure, definitely a regular acting the WUM. Registered since 2010 and only a few token bits of bait laid out in all that time.
Can someone speculate an answer to this.. 2 quarter football quarter finals on Sky this year; 2 on RTE. And let's for purposes of this question assume Dublin Kerry being on Sky and Mayo Cork being on RTE.
Which game country wide will have the most viewers and what will the discrepancy be?
My guess is Mayo and Cork with a significant discrepancy between the two. How can anyone in all seriousness make an argument that in such an instance having Sky Sports on board INCREASES the exposure if our games in Ireland?? And that point is made with no disrespect to Mayo Cork, I am just alluding to the Dublin Kerry game after last years thriller.
I remember reading before an article about the impact of viewing figures in Ireland after the Heineken Cup moved from terrestrial to Sky. While I can't find it now on a quick Google search I did stumble across another similar paper, http://historyhub.ie/the-impact-of-pay-tv-on-sport , which sets out the significant decreases in viewing figures.
While I currently pay for Sky Sports and will even more happily continue to do so and somewhat excited by what they will bring (especially the mid week show) I am struggling to decide whether this is in the Associations best interests
Edit: just to add I wrote this before hearing Dr Paul Rouse on Off the Ball on podcast talking about exact same point!
Quote from: haze on April 03, 2014, 10:21:40 PM
How can anyone in all seriousness make an argument that in such an instance having Sky Sports on board INCREASES the exposure if our games in Ireland??
Why does it always have to be about Ireland?
Ireland isn't the only country in the world containing GAA fans or GAA volunteers who work hard to promote the association's community ethos.
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
the rest of you gombeens, good night!!!! dont whinge to mummy and daddy :D:D
I think you've used up the whole whinging quota of the forum for the night.
QuoteIreland isn't the only country in the world containing GAA fans or GAA volunteers who work hard to promote the association's community ethos.
OK then, name another community, never mind country in the world where the GAA has any sort of important role in that community.
What's your point?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2014, 11:49:31 PM
QuoteIreland isn't the only country in the world containing GAA fans or GAA volunteers who work hard to promote the association's community ethos.
OK then, name another community, never mind country in the world where the GAA has any sort of important role in that community.
There's 83 clubs in Britain and I can assure you that it plays a massive role in the community I'm part of. The GAA plays a vitally important part in the lives of thousands of Irish ex-pats around the world as a place to socialise with friends, sort lads with jobs and obviously play or watch our sport and celebrate our Irish culture. It is the hub for these thriving communities, just like it is in Ireland. But sure, you wouldn't know this if you had never left Armagh.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
There's 83 clubs in Britain and I can assure you that it plays a massive role in the community I'm part of. The GAA plays a vitally important part in the lives of thousands of Irish ex-pats around the world as a place to socialise with friends, sort lads with jobs and obviously play or watch our sport and celebrate our Irish culture. It is the hub for these thriving communities, just like it is in Ireland. But sure, you wouldn't know this if you had never left Armagh.
Once again the unnecessary reference to me, playing than man and not the ball. Sure what do you know about whether I have left Armagh or not? I have no doubt that GAA is important to ex-Pats, but ex-Pats are not a community but a special interest group. I am distinguishing between communities where the GAA has a role for pretty much everyone and sets of individuals greatly interested in GAA, but who have negligible impact on their general communities. My point was that a big GAA game can be a shared experience for a large proportion of a community and that that shared experience is diminished when most people cannot watch it on TV. But I from previous experience I imagine the substance of my point will be ignored and the only response will be that I am "thick" or "untravelled".
Quote from: armaghniac on April 04, 2014, 12:59:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
There's 83 clubs in Britain and I can assure you that it plays a massive role in the community I'm part of. The GAA plays a vitally important part in the lives of thousands of Irish ex-pats around the world as a place to socialise with friends, sort lads with jobs and obviously play or watch our sport and celebrate our Irish culture. It is the hub for these thriving communities, just like it is in Ireland. But sure, you wouldn't know this if you had never left Armagh.
Once again the unnecessary reference to me, playing than man and not the ball. Sure what do you know about whether I have left Armagh or not? I have no doubt that GAA is important to ex-Pats, but ex-Pats are not a community but a special interest group. I am distinguishing between communities where the GAA has a role for pretty much everyone and sets of individuals greatly interested in GAA, but who have negligible impact on their general communities. My point was that a big GAA game can be a shared experience for a large proportion of a community and that that shared experience is diminished when most people cannot watch it on TV. But I from previous experience I imagine the substance of my point will be ignored and the only response will be that I am "thick" or "untravelled".
It's hard not to play the man when he keeps tripping himself up in front of me. I couldn't care less if you have left Armagh or not, but my point is that you plainly have no experience of the Irish communities abroad that you quite happily make comments about with some sort of misplaced authority. Also, I'm not ignoring the substance of your point I'm trying to fathom what point you are making? Are we only to televise to areas where the whole community is completely immersed in the GAA by the standards you set? A big GAA match will attract hundreds of people to the Irish centre where I live and is a massively important shared experience for everyone there. Does it not matter if those people can't watch it? Is their experience less important than yours? Is that the point you are making? Also, can you explain why you are distinguishing between these groups of people?
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ex-Pats are not a community but a special interest group.
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the only response will be that I am "thick" or "untravelled".
You don't say.
One of the worst afflictions Ireland suffers from is its entitlement culture. I am old enough to remember no live games bar All Ireland finals and semi finals. Even then there was one year rte didnt show an ai semi because it clashed with show jumping or something. No one has a right to anything for free. I went to see the local u16 in their div 3 final last year and was happy to pay a fiver in.
Quote from: fearglasmor on April 04, 2014, 05:09:53 AM
One of the worst afflictions Ireland suffers from is its entitlement culture. I am old enough to remember no live games bar All Ireland finals and semi finals. Even then there was one year rte didnt show an ai semi because it clashed with show jumping or something. No one has a right to anything for free. I went to see the local u16 in their div 3 final last year and was happy to pay a fiver in.
You might be right. If the GAA went from 0 games on TV to a split with RTE and Sky, everyone would be delighted. Except fifth man there, who has an issue with Sky on other, perfectly valid, grounds.
Quote from: fearglasmor on April 04, 2014, 05:09:53 AM
One of the worst afflictions Ireland suffers from is its entitlement culture. I am old enough to remember no live games bar All Ireland finals and semi finals. Even then there was one year rte didnt show an ai semi because it clashed with show jumping or something. No one has a right to anything for free. I went to see the local u16 in their div 3 final last year and was happy to pay a fiver in.
Said this before on many things in Ireland, its everywhere and once something changes you get all sorts of minorities coming out of the woodwork and crying the poor mouth.
Think its time this was put to bed, the decision is made and we will see how it works out. No bad thing in my eyes.
But as per usual its been discussed on the Late Late show tonight, Tubs will have plenty to say I imagine :o
Quote from: fearglasmor on April 04, 2014, 05:09:53 AM
One of the worst afflictions Ireland suffers from is its entitlement culture. I am old enough to remember no live games bar All Ireland finals and semi finals. Even then there was one year rte didnt show an ai semi because it clashed with show jumping or something. No one has a right to anything for free. I went to see the local u16 in their div 3 final last year and was happy to pay a fiver in.
That's an interesting philosophy. I sincerely hope you don't get sick and find yourself without the ability to pay for healthcare at any point.
This might get to a hundred pages. But it looks like we're going round in circles. At the end of the day whether there should hsve been consultation or not, whether the deal should have proceeded or not, whether it will be positive or not for GAA, it's all done and dusted and we'll just have to hope that it can end up being good for the GAA ( that means different things to different people ).
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
This might get to a hundred pages. But it looks like we're going round in circles. At the end of the day whether there should hsve been consultation or not, whether the deal should have proceeded or not, whether it will be positive or not for GAA, it's all done and dusted and we'll just have to hope that it can end up being good for the GAA ( that means different things to different people ).
thats it. Will be interesting to see how it pans out
I'm emmigrating to Australia btw, free GAA man !
It's a topic on The Late Late Show tonight :-[
My ideal panel to discuss this would be:
Kevin Myarse
John Waters
Ian O'Doherty
Michael Healy Rae
The Dali Lama would know more about the GAA than Tubs.
One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; GAA on Sky will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new Sky overlords
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 04, 2014, 09:44:28 AM
It's a topic on The Late Late Show tonight :-[
My ideal panel to discuss this would be:
Kevin Myarse
John Waters
Ian O'Doherty
Michael Healy Rae
The Dali Lama would know more about the GAA than Tubs.
One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; GAA on Sky will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new Sky overlords
I'd like to see this guy on the panel
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on April 03, 2014, 05:33:34 PM
there is nothing wrong with making money for the gaa. but not at any price. club sponsorships are nearly always of local benefit with many sponsors either being actively involved with their club. entrance money into games is no different from paying to watch a play by a local amateur drama group, clubs and counties try to raise funds and get the best deals. but if there is more going out than coming in then you must cut your cloth as you need.
but there are principles that you, me and many others have where money does not go above everything else. as i have said i refuse to give any money to the murdoch empire. look at the front page of the irish sun today for one very small reason why.
the problem is that ireland is and has been full of gombeen men with very few morals and principles, who would sell their mothers if there was a few bob in it for them. foreigners know this when they deal with irish people and companies on how to deal with us. and the smarter gombeens also know this. the dail is full of them, getting elected by less smart gombeens who will happily sell their vote to get a personal favour over money going towards hospitals and education. got mine, f**k you.
when people with principles start to stand up and make their voice heard, it scares the gombeen, they call them backwards, stupid, anti business, against the gaa. all the shit of the day like that fianna fail threw at people who warned of a property bubble a decade ago. maybe we should commit suicide?
remember when you do a deal with sky, when they say jump you ask 'how high'?
It's only 14 games FFS. RTE still has enough for those who don't have Sky or neighbours with Sky. What it might do is reinvigorate the pub trade in some rural areas. Murdoch's money is as good as any.
This is great stuff. Genuine competition for RTE.
The boys in RTE who've had handy, cosy numbers for the past few years now have to up their game.
Editors, commentators, analysts etc.
Just as a matter of interest, do people who object to a "foreign company" getting TV rights to the championships, also object to sponsorship deals various branches of the GAA have signed in recent years with foreign companies such as AIG, Vodafone, 02, Etihad and Ladbrokes?
Did no-one think of Jerry Kiernan in all this, the man must be having a fit.
Quote from: Mac2 on April 04, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Did no-one think of Jerry Kiernan in all this, the man must be having a fit.
Has been admitted to rehab.
Quote from: Sidney on April 04, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
Just as a matter of interest, do people who object to a "foreign company" getting TV rights to the championships, also object to sponsorship deals various branches of the GAA have signed in recent years with foreign companies such as AIG, Vodafone, 02, Etihad and Ladbrokes?
Diagio?
Quote from: Mac2 on April 04, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Did no-one think of Jerry Kiernan in all this, the man must be having a fit.
Post of the year.
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2014, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on April 04, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Did no-one think of Jerry Kiernan in all this, the man must be having a fit.
Post of the year.
Tis up there, shamrock shores kent brockman one above is brilliant too.
Haven't been following the thread, don't really have time, but my 2 cents is that is negative development. Not disasterous in itself, yet, but Sky is a multinational corporation - purely motivated by pursuit of profit. It will not be good for our games, whose character and ethos, as a multinational corporation that will not give a damn about.
The door is creaking open futher and this to me is another step in the commercialisation of our games. There is very little that money doesn't corrupt. I suppose its a wonder the GAA has lasted as long the way it is.
Debate over the quality of punditry is incredibly short-sighted and its not that long ago that only AI semis and finals were shown live with highlights of the days action on a Sunday evening. The games should be protected by the state in my opinion and not sold out to the highest bidding, satanic, free-marketeer.
British soccer has been destroyed by these bastards.
Quote from: Ringfort on April 04, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
British soccer has been destroyed by these b**tards.
Or alternatively, the only reason why British soccer clubs can compete internationally is because of them?
Are Sky involved in bringing the games to audiences outside of the UK and Ireland? It's a genuine question.
Quote from: Ringfort on April 04, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Haven't been following the thread, don't really have time, but my 2 cents is that is negative development. Not disasterous in itself, yet, but Sky is a multinational corporation - purely motivated by pursuit of profit. It will not be good for our games, whose character and ethos, as a multinational corporation that will not give a damn about.
The door is creaking open futher and this to me is another step in the commercialisation of our games. There is very little that money doesn't corrupt. I suppose its a wonder the GAA has lasted as long the way it is.
Debate over the quality of punditry is incredibly short-sighted and its not that long ago that only AI semis and finals were shown live with highlights of the days action on a Sunday evening. The games should be protected by the state in my opinion and not sold out to the highest bidding, satanic, free-marketeer.
British soccer has been destroyed by these b**tards.
exolain how sky has destroyed english soccer.
Leaving out jealously about players wages.
at the moment the english have the 2nd best attended league in europe and by far and away the highest attended lower leagues anywhere in the world.
and played in stadiums that could hold the world cup at a few weeks notice . there's a tragic reason why that is but that does speak of a league that has been destroyed.
It may be a shite game but it cannot be faulted on an organizational or commercial level
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on April 04, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Haven't been following the thread, don't really have time, but my 2 cents is that is negative development. Not disasterous in itself, yet, but Sky is a multinational corporation - purely motivated by pursuit of profit. It will not be good for our games, whose character and ethos, as a multinational corporation that will not give a damn about.
The door is creaking open futher and this to me is another step in the commercialisation of our games. There is very little that money doesn't corrupt. I suppose its a wonder the GAA has lasted as long the way it is.
Debate over the quality of punditry is incredibly short-sighted and its not that long ago that only AI semis and finals were shown live with highlights of the days action on a Sunday evening. The games should be protected by the state in my opinion and not sold out to the highest bidding, satanic, free-marketeer.
British soccer has been destroyed by these b**tards.
exolain how sky has destroyed english soccer.
Leaving out jealously about players wages.
at the moment the english have the 2nd best attended league in europe and by far and away the highest attended lower leagues anywhere in the world.
and played in stadiums that could hold the world cup at a few weeks notice . there's a tragic reason why that is but that does speak of a league that has been destroyed.
It may be a shite game but it cannot be faulted on an organizational or commercial level
Global TV rights are keeping English soccer afloat in a big way. Take away the TV rights and most clubs would fold in a week.
Sky TV money has created a false economy in the premier league.
Clubs borrow against future earnings.
Players wages are out of control, for the top 20% of players.
Ticket prices have gone way up.
Clubs just buy their way to success, little sustainability, unlike say Germany or Dutch leagues
Comparisons with soccer are irrelevant, more accurate would be sports like rugby union/league, netball, etc. (what other sports do they show?). Success should also be measured by what we want to get from it. It's obviously not money in this first deal so is it increased international exposure, playing numbers or both?
I suspect a big part of this deal is it's a shot across the bows of RTE and this will hopefully wake them up a bit. The GAA doesn't need RTE half as much as RTE needs the GAA but you wouldn't know that to watch their coverage.
Shots across bows is a fairly outdated way of resolving issues.
Until GAA develop its own TV platform or equivalent it needs RTE and TG4.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2014, 03:02:22 PM
Comparisons with soccer are irrelevant, more accurate would be sports like rugby union/league, netball, etc. (what other sports do they show?). Success should also be measured by what we want to get from it. It's obviously not money in this first deal so is it increased international exposure, playing numbers or both?
I suspect a big part of this deal is it's a shot across the bows of RTE and this will hopefully wake them up a bit. The GAA doesn't need RTE half as much as RTE needs the GAA but you wouldn't know that to watch their coverage.
RTE has found that GAA rights are a buyers market up to now. It will not find that in three years and will need to get its act together big time.
Blaming Sky for some soccer clubs mis-managing the money that Sky paid to them is the absolute height of nonsense.
Perhaps the GAA should just buy TV3!
The main financial benefits from this to the GAA aren't exclusively in the money or rather extra money they will gain from SKY. More so that they can now look for increased sponsorship levels from their main championship "partners" that they will now be exposing their branding to an easily accessible international market.
Will we see crowds of barstoolers in English pubs goading each other as "their" counties do battle?
Will there be riots between the notorious Barking "Kingdom Loyal" Kerry supporters firm and Dagenham's "Union Jackeens"?
Will there be chants like:
"You know wot you aaahhhh
You know wot you aaaaaaahhhhhhhh
No-el O'Leary
You know wot you aaaaaaahhhhh"
Will the West Ham-Chelsea Super Sunday match have to be put back by 15 minutes because people won't leave the pubs because they're watching the end of the All-Ireland football final?
Will we see fans ringing into Talksport's phone in programme, "Radio GAA-GAA" shouting "I'm so proud Andy, we've only gone and dahn it! We've won the blaaddy Aw-Wyeland!"?
Quote from: Bingo on April 04, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
The main financial benefits from this to the GAA aren't exclusively in the money or rather extra money they will gain from SKY. More so that they can now look for increased sponsorship levels from their main championship "partners" that they will now be exposing their branding to an easily accessible international market.
Can you tell me what nations Sky will be broadcasting to?
Ireland, UK, who else?
GAA TV station was mooted at one time.
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
Are Sky involved in bringing the games to audiences outside of the UK and Ireland? It's a genuine question.
Sky would have to buy the rights to broadcast GAA games outside UK and Ireland and so far they haven't.
Afaiaa, worldwide rights are a still in the hands of the GAA and RTE
So far, Sky has just obtained the exclusive rights to broadcast 14 games in Ireland and the UK
In Ireland, those 14 games can only be legally viewed via sky sports subscription.
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
I hope Sky introduce 3D to Gaa games.
Hurling in 3D would be class.
Quote from: laoislad on April 04, 2014, 06:47:33 PM
I hope Sky introduce 3D to Gaa games.
Hurling in 3D would be class.
Holy God, we'd be cowering behind our sofas if Anthony Nash stepped up to take a 20 metre free
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
They get to play football. Playing football is fun. People like to have fun. Do you see the pattern here? It's not like playing football is like being a Community Welfare Office in Rathkeale, you know.
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on April 04, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Haven't been following the thread, don't really have time, but my 2 cents is that is negative development. Not disasterous in itself, yet, but Sky is a multinational corporation - purely motivated by pursuit of profit. It will not be good for our games, whose character and ethos, as a multinational corporation that will not give a damn about.
The door is creaking open futher and this to me is another step in the commercialisation of our games. There is very little that money doesn't corrupt. I suppose its a wonder the GAA has lasted as long the way it is.
Debate over the quality of punditry is incredibly short-sighted and its not that long ago that only AI semis and finals were shown live with highlights of the days action on a Sunday evening. The games should be protected by the state in my opinion and not sold out to the highest bidding, satanic, free-marketeer.
British soccer has been destroyed by these b**tards.
exolain how sky has destroyed english soccer.
Leaving out jealously about players wages.
at the moment the english have the 2nd best attended league in europe and by far and away the highest attended lower leagues anywhere in the world.
and played in stadiums that could hold the world cup at a few weeks notice . there's a tragic reason why that is but that does speak of a league that has been destroyed.
It may be a shite game but it cannot be faulted on an organizational or commercial level
Correct, on an organizational and commercial level it is peerless. They really know how to promote the hell out of any old crap. People whinging now about the RTE panel and their negativity might change their tune when we are bombarded with hyped up blockbuster clashes between Roscommon and Leitrim or Laois and Wexford full of worldclass top top top top players. :o
Sure , Brit soccer appears all rosy and full of money. But it costs a fortune to follow a team sitting quietly in safe but sterile stadiums. For lifelong supporters the game bears little resemblance to how things were pre Premier League. Good, say some but for many more there is a huge disillusionment with the direction the sport has taken - all glitz, glam and superstar players. Pre Sky money you had the likes of Notts Forest, Derby, Villa, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd doing well in Europe. These regional clubs are buried now in favour of the wealthy elite who just buy in the trophy.
Fair enough this development does not necessarily mean the GAA will go that way, but one of the core attractions of the games are the parochial rivalries and tribal attachment to where you're from, not the 'star players' which Sky will hype to the nines and who, understandably enough being human, will want some monetary reward in exchange for wearing the county jersey. And if they are a Declan Browne or Emlyn Mulligan, the monetary rewards will be far greater in the green grass of the far away hill. In GAA, our big names, the likes of Colm Cooper and Anthony Daly are humble, personable everyday guys. There is a huge divide now between soccer players and the public which I would be loathe to see introduced to the GAA.
Basically, despite my garbled way of expressing my self, I see the whole thing as a can of worms.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
They get to play football. Playing football is fun. People like to have fun. Do you see the pattern here? It's not like playing football is like being a Community Welfare Office in Rathkeale, you know.
I love your romantic idealism. This is surely the case with Junior B Level You seem to conveniently forget that to play at County level players must make huge sacrifices
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
GAA TV station was mooted at one time.
It will happen eventually but probably as an online channel rather than an actual TV channel. Pay a modest monthy or yearly subscription a la Netflix and get all the games live. Including a huge library of old games.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
They get to play football. Playing football is fun. People like to have fun. Do you see the pattern here? It's not like playing football is like being a Community Welfare Office in Rathkeale, you know.
I love your romantic idealism. This is surely the case with Junior B Level You seem to conveniently forget that to play at County level players must make huge sacrifices
You reckon county men would play junior if only they could? Or that junior men don't want to play county because they fear the dread rattle of the chains? Come on now. If anyone finds it that torturous he ought to quit. Why in damnation would anyone do it if it's so awful?
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2014, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
Are Sky involved in bringing the games to audiences outside of the UK and Ireland? It's a genuine question.
Sky would have to buy the rights to broadcast GAA games outside UK and Ireland and so far they haven't.
Afaiaa, worldwide rights are a still in the hands of the GAA and RTE
So far, Sky has just obtained the exclusive rights to broadcast 14 games in Ireland and the UK
In Ireland, those 14 games can only be legally viewed via sky sports subscription.
That's as I thought. It begs a question though. Ok, so Sky bring the games to England but nowhere else outside these two islands? There's a perception out there that the Sky inclusion is the thing which makes it global. That's just not true. The Channel 7 deal in Australia was possible without Sky. It has nothing to do with Sky, in fact.
In the US, the new RTE streaming service is the leader.
This lie that Sky are needed to bring the games to a global audience needs to be put to bed. It was spun as the reason for their inclusion but it's not accurate.
Why, then do Irish people have to pay? It's certainly not to do with the diaspora (outside of England) as the GAA spokepersons have tried to spin. we were told there was a trade-off which most people would accept. What is the trade off?
?????
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2014, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
Are Sky involved in bringing the games to audiences outside of the UK and Ireland? It's a genuine question.
Sky would have to buy the rights to broadcast GAA games outside UK and Ireland and so far they haven't.
Afaiaa, worldwide rights are a still in the hands of the GAA and RTE
So far, Sky has just obtained the exclusive rights to broadcast 14 games in Ireland and the UK
In Ireland, those 14 games can only be legally viewed via sky sports subscription.
That's as I thought. It begs a question though. Ok, so Sky bring the games to England but nowhere else outside these two islands? There's a perception out there that the Sky inclusion is the thing which makes it global. That's just not true. The Channel 7 deal in Australia was possible without Sky. It has nothing to do with Sky, in fact.
In the US, the new RTE streaming service is the leader.
This lie that Sky are needed to bring the games to a global audience needs to be put to bed. It was spun as the reason for their inclusion but it's not accurate.
Why, then do Irish people have to pay? It's certainly not to do with the diaspora (outside of England) as the GAA spokepersons have tried to spin. we were told there was a trade-off which most people would accept. What is the trade off?
?????
Who said Sky where screening to Australia? I hadn't heard anyone say that?
I never said that. What I am saying is the general perception is that Sky are providing a platform for the games abroad. It's not true whatsoever.
I'd safely say there are more Irish in Britain than there are in Europe and Africa combined so it is being brought to the diaspora. By the way are we sucre you can't get the GAA if you have Sky in Europe? I've said this already but there is no justification for any hysteria. This is a 3 year deal which only takes 9 games from Irish viewers, most of them of limited national attractiveness. If, in 3 years time, we think this isn't great deal for the GAA we can always go back to free to air TV for everything but I'd be confident enough that people will be happy with the Sky input.
As long as we agree that Sky does not provide coverage to anywhere outside of Ireland and the UK.
People need to be aware of that because an awful lot of people (eg Mickey Harte in the Irish News today) believe that this is the case. It's not.
The reason for Sky is to provide the games to viewers in Britain. This is of course welcome but it comes at a price tag for the Irish viewer. People need to know what they are being asked to trade.
Personally I'm not concerned about any misconceptions people have as it's up to everyone to educate themselves on what this deal actually is. The only important fact is this is a 3 year deal so we can all reassess when that is up to see who was right. If it turns out to be bad for the GAA then drop them but if it is good then lets see where we should go with Sky.
Agreed, as long as we are clear.
SKY SPORTS DO NOT BROADCAST TO THE IRISH DIASPORA BEYOND THE UK. IF ANYONE SAYS SKY IS GOOD FOR THE GAA BECAUSE IT BRINGS GAA ABROAD, THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Up to everyone to educate themselves though (including Mickey Harte).
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Agreed, as long as we are clear.
SKY SPORTS DO NOT BROADCAST TO THE IRISH DIASPORA BEYOND THE UK. IF ANYONE SAYS SKY IS GOOD FOR THE GAA BECAUSE IT BRINGS GAA ABROAD, THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Up to everyone to educate themselves though (including Mickey Harte).
But it will bring the GAA to approx half a million Irish in Britain. Is it not good for them? I think by abroad they mean Britain.
I totally think so too, Benny. As long as everyone knows and agrees that the GAA definition of disapora is Britain.
There was a bit of confusion before though. It was like Sky were the ones who were placating 'the people who we met as we travelled around the world' in the words of Pauric Duffy. When he said the world, at least we now understand it was england he meant. Close enough.
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
I totally think so too, Benny. As long as everyone knows and agrees that the GAA definition of disapora is Britain.
There was a bit of confusion before though. It was like Sky were the ones who were placating 'the people who we met as we travelled around the world' in the words of Pauric Duffy. When he said the world, at least we now understand it was england he meant. Close enough.
Not just England - Scotland and Wales too. They also have the games available in Australia and the USA and in Europe via other deals, so Pauric Duffy was correct when he said the world. It's probably a bit of misunderstanding on your behalf to think he meant it's all about Sky. I fully understood what was meant and I'd say most people did as well. It took you to ask the question a few times on here to understand, but sure you are clear now and that's great news.
Out here in the USA, I paid $199 for the championship last year which is all games shown on tv3 and rte (I think). The league package was $69.
The service was with premium sports / ustream. I hope the rte /gaa deal is better otherwise they are not doing anything to expand the games in America.
Anyone know when and how We sign up for the rte/gaa package? I assume they will have single games on offer also.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
I totally think so too, Benny. As long as everyone knows and agrees that the GAA definition of disapora is Britain.
There was a bit of confusion before though. It was like Sky were the ones who were placating 'the people who we met as we travelled around the world' in the words of Pauric Duffy. When he said the world, at least we now understand it was england he meant. Close enough.
Not just England - Scotland and Wales too. They also have the games available in Australia and the USA and in Europe via other deals, so Pauric Duffy was correct when he said the world. It's probably a bit of misunderstanding on your behalf to think he meant it's all about Sky. I fully understood what was meant and I'd say most people did as well. It took you to ask the question a few times on here to understand, but sure you are clear now and that's great news.
Pauric was indeed correct when said the world. What he didn't explain (probably an oversight) was that the world could have been covered without the need for Irish people to pay for Sky. Them's the facts and it's good people actually now know them.
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 04, 2014, 10:48:56 PM
Out here in the USA, I paid $199 for the championship last year which is all games shown on tv3 and rte (I think). The league package was $69.
The service was with premium sports / ustream. I hope the rte /gaa deal is better otherwise they are not doing anything to expand the games in America.
Anyone know when and how We sign up for the rte/gaa package? I assume they will have single games on offer also.
Finally, someone who we are talking about for the last week finally speaks up.
Sligoman, do you feel the joy?
It's interesting you're asking about the RTE streaming service. Everyone else in the country who backed this deal assumed you'd just be setting up the Sky and away you go.
Not so?
What exactly are Irish people paying subscriptions for again? It's not for lads like sligoman.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
They get to play football. Playing football is fun. People like to have fun. Do you see the pattern here? It's not like playing football is like being a Community Welfare Office in Rathkeale, you know.
I love your romantic idealism. This is surely the case with Junior B Level You seem to conveniently forget that to play at County level players must make huge sacrifices
You reckon county men would play junior if only they could? Or that junior men don't want to play county because they fear the dread rattle of the chains? Come on now. If anyone finds it that torturous he ought to quit. Why in damnation would anyone do it if it's so awful?
Your line of argument is so naive I watched a documentary recently about Grand Prix racing in the late 60s/ early 70s, when guys were being killed on a weekly basis, but it didn't matter because on the one hand they were the gladiators, lauded by the fans, while in reality they were the bottom of the heap in terms of their needs etc. But let's put the thing into a modern perspective, Paddy Bradley chooses to play professional soccer for Coleraine rather than amateur Gaelic football for Derry because there is less pressure!! Wake up and smell the coffee
Liam has made a bit of a mess here -
GAA president Liam O'Neill has clarified his comments about a Prime Time audience member as "a throwaway remark and not intended to cause any offence".
Speaking to The Irish Times , audience member Finbarr Dolan had earlier described the reaction of O'Neill to his views on the Sky Sports TV deal as "most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful". He said he was seeking a formal apology, and has already raised the matter with both RTÉ and the Press Ombudsman.
Dolan aired his views on the Sky deal during Tuesday night's live Prime Time broadcast, claiming that the GAA "should rebrand themselves as the Grab All Association" and that the deal itself "wasn't good for the GAA, not good for the community, and not good for the nation".
The following day, speaking at a GAA function in Croke Park, O'Neill sharply criticised RTÉ's treatment of the story stating: "I think the star of the show was Prime Time in fairness. Where they got people in the audience... where they got the character barely able to read, calling us whatever he called us. Where did they get them?"
On Friday night, O'Neill said he was being more critical of the logistics of the situation rather than questioning anyone's ability to read.
Dolan was clearly that character to whom he was referring, as he did read parts of his views from bullet points prepared during the previous item on the show.
The 60-year-old Dolan, a retired bank official from Knocklyon in South Dublin, believes he is now owed an apology.
"If it was someone else in the audience, and a bit of banter between us, saying I was barely able to read, you'd take it as tongue-in-cheek," he said. "But when it comes from a man in his position, and the biggest sporting organisation in the country, I don't find it acceptable.
"I thought it was most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful. And I would be looking for an apology. I've always held the GAA in the highest admiration. I love the GAA, I love what they do, and I'm not out to insult anyone in a derogatory manner.
"And I wouldn't expect it from a man of his stature. It was so personal, and he has no right to say that about me as a person.
"I aired my views, as an ordinary person. So there was no need for him to say that, and personalise it like that. And I've got great support from around the country, with regard to the views I stated on the night. It was my first time to speak live on television. I did refer to my notes as little as I could . . . And I never got aggressive . . ."
I'm in the UK. Cannot see the benefit of Sky coverage for us Brit based Gaels. As if we are suddenly able to see the match through the benevolence of the GAA and Sky! Premiersports is doing the job at the moment at 9.99 at month and cancel whenever you want like I did when Sept finished and started again in Feb for league.
A lot of lads over here are working at bits and pieces. There's ould lads who have been on the roads for 40 years. I would say most are not set up at home with Sky tv already running. The local Irish boozer is the hub for GAA coverage which has had it for years between Setanta and 'dodgy boxes', there's not many missing out between that and premiersports I'd imagine.
So who is going to benefit in the UK from this? Are regular non-Irish pubs going to fire on Monaghan v Down or whatever for lack of anything else on the telly? Are they feck-SSN and racing on as normal. Heaps of tans are not going to be converted just cos the Gah is on SS4 or wherever. And the Irish can already watch it. So the benefits are improved 'punditry' (the game is the attraction lads btw) and er.......
Quote from: orangeman on April 05, 2014, 12:54:08 AM
Liam has made a bit of a mess here -
GAA president Liam O'Neill has clarified his comments about a Prime Time audience member as "a throwaway remark and not intended to cause any offence".
Speaking to The Irish Times , audience member Finbarr Dolan had earlier described the reaction of O'Neill to his views on the Sky Sports TV deal as "most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful". He said he was seeking a formal apology, and has already raised the matter with both RTÉ and the Press Ombudsman.
Dolan aired his views on the Sky deal during Tuesday night's live Prime Time broadcast, claiming that the GAA "should rebrand themselves as the Grab All Association" and that the deal itself "wasn't good for the GAA, not good for the community, and not good for the nation".
The following day, speaking at a GAA function in Croke Park, O'Neill sharply criticised RTÉ's treatment of the story stating: "I think the star of the show was Prime Time in fairness. Where they got people in the audience... where they got the character barely able to read, calling us whatever he called us. Where did they get them?"
On Friday night, O'Neill said he was being more critical of the logistics of the situation rather than questioning anyone's ability to read.
Dolan was clearly that character to whom he was referring, as he did read parts of his views from bullet points prepared during the previous item on the show.
The 60-year-old Dolan, a retired bank official from Knocklyon in South Dublin, believes he is now owed an apology.
"If it was someone else in the audience, and a bit of banter between us, saying I was barely able to read, you'd take it as tongue-in-cheek," he said. "But when it comes from a man in his position, and the biggest sporting organisation in the country, I don't find it acceptable.
"I thought it was most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful. And I would be looking for an apology. I've always held the GAA in the highest admiration. I love the GAA, I love what they do, and I'm not out to insult anyone in a derogatory manner.
"And I wouldn't expect it from a man of his stature. It was so personal, and he has no right to say that about me as a person.
"I aired my views, as an ordinary person. So there was no need for him to say that, and personalise it like that. And I've got great support from around the country, with regard to the views I stated on the night. It was my first time to speak live on television. I did refer to my notes as little as I could . . . And I never got aggressive . . ."
Oh Jesus. This 'controversy' has officially jumped the shark.
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 04, 2014, 10:48:56 PM
Out here in the USA, I paid $199 for the championship last year which is all games shown on tv3 and rte (I think). The league package was $69.
The service was with premium sports / ustream. I hope the rte /gaa deal is better otherwise they are not doing anything to expand the games in America.
Anyone know when and how We sign up for the rte/gaa package? I assume they will have single games on offer also.
Finally, someone who we are talking about for the last week finally speaks up.
Sligoman, do you feel the joy?
It's interesting you're asking about the RTE streaming service. Everyone else in the country who backed this deal assumed you'd just be setting up the Sky and away you go.
Not so?
What exactly are Irish people paying subscriptions for again? It's not for lads like sligoman.
I'm not feeling the joy unless the price is lower otherwise it's no good to me or anyone else who pays to watch the games at home on a Saturday or Sunday morning.
Ringfort says that premier sports was also available in the the uk so they already could get the games. so the only additional viewers are the casual sky subscribers in the uk who won't know what they are looking at unless the game is explained to them. And of course the Australians who would prefer their Aussie rules - don't get me started on that again. Not sure about mainland Europe.
I'm all in favor of expanding our reach it's important however that we are honest about what we are doing and not trying to fool the public because there is more money to be made either now or down the road.
"GAA president Liam O'Neill has clarified his comments about a Prime Time audience member as "a throwaway remark and not intended to cause any offence"." just like Callinan and his disgusting remarks.
"Where they got people in the audience... where they got the character barely able to read, calling us whatever he called us. Where did they get them?""
O'Neill should have considered that the
character might have gone to a Protestant school and not be criticising his ability to read. But then playing the man is the way of Sky supporters. ::)
Quoteso the only additional viewers are the casual sky subscribers in the uk who won't know what they are looking at unless the game is explained to them
If Sky keep patronising viewers by explaining the bleeding obvious, their coverage will hardly be entertaining for anyone here.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 05, 2014, 02:51:39 AM
"GAA president Liam O'Neill has clarified his comments about a Prime Time audience member as "a throwaway remark and not intended to cause any offence"." just like Callinan and his disgusting remarks.
"Where they got people in the audience... where they got the character barely able to read, calling us whatever he called us. Where did they get them?""
O'Neill should have considered that the character might have gone to a Protestant school and not be criticising his ability to read. But then playing the man is the way of Sky supporters. ::)
Quoteso the only additional viewers are the casual sky subscribers in the uk who won't know what they are looking at unless the game is explained to them
If Sky keep patronising viewers by explaining the bleeding obvious, their coverage will hardly be entertaining for anyone here.
The obvious to who?
The appeal of the Sky deal is broadening the sport's horizons beyond the diaspora, plenty of introductory explaining will need to be done and were it not the whole deal would be self-defeating.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 05, 2014, 02:51:39 AM
If Sky keep patronising viewers by explaining the bleeding obvious, their coverage will hardly be entertaining for anyone here.
What's "bleeding obvious" to you is not "bleeding obvious" to the thousands of people who'll be seeing the game for the first time. If you don't like it, go to the match instead.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on April 04, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Well can someone spell out exactly what the players do get out of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbLxWIvsBE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbLxWIvsBE)
Quote from: Syferus on April 05, 2014, 03:33:22 AM
The obvious to who?
The appeal of the Sky deal is broadening the sport's horizons beyond the diaspora, plenty of introductory explaining will need to be done and were it not the whole deal would be self-defeating.
It's painful to watch, isn't it?
You see this shows you the difference between GAA promoters in Ireland (many of whom probably don't get out of the country much) and those of us who promote the game elsewhere. We know how the game looks to first-time viewers because we have to look at it through their eyes when we explain it to them. Boys like our friend here haven't a clue. He's like the J1ers who showed up at a GAA stall that I set up in San Francisco one time, they were new in town and I don't think they'd traveled before. I was chatting to them while a woman appeared, looked at the posters and asked what game this is and asked how it's played. One of the young lads piped up (talking at a mile a minute in an impregnable Cork accent) "you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly." Not exactly as clear as Ikea assembly instructions.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 05, 2014, 03:33:22 AM
The obvious to who?
The appeal of the Sky deal is broadening the sport's horizons beyond the diaspora, plenty of introductory explaining will need to be done and were it not the whole deal would be self-defeating.
It's painful to watch, isn't it?
You see this shows you the difference between GAA promoters in Ireland (many of whom probably don't get out of the country much) and those of us who promote the game elsewhere. We know how the game looks to first-time viewers because we have to look at it through their eyes when we explain it to them. Boys like our friend here haven't a clue. He's like the J1ers who showed up at a GAA stall that I set up in San Francisco one time, they were new in town and I don't think they'd traveled before. I was chatting to them while a woman appeared, looked at the posters and asked what game this is and asked how it's played. One of the young lads piped up (talking at a mile a minute in an impregnable Cork accent) "you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly." Not exactly as clear as Ikea assembly instructions.
Sounds as if the Cork fellow is better craic than you Eamon. Not as if the was asked to provide "assembly instructions". You will need a better anecdote than this to make your point!!!
Quote from: orangeman on April 05, 2014, 12:54:08 AM
Liam has made a bit of a mess here -
GAA president Liam O'Neill has clarified his comments about a Prime Time audience member as "a throwaway remark and not intended to cause any offence".
Speaking to The Irish Times , audience member Finbarr Dolan had earlier described the reaction of O'Neill to his views on the Sky Sports TV deal as "most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful". He said he was seeking a formal apology, and has already raised the matter with both RTÉ and the Press Ombudsman.
Dolan aired his views on the Sky deal during Tuesday night's live Prime Time broadcast, claiming that the GAA "should rebrand themselves as the Grab All Association" and that the deal itself "wasn't good for the GAA, not good for the community, and not good for the nation".
The following day, speaking at a GAA function in Croke Park, O'Neill sharply criticised RTÉ's treatment of the story stating: "I think the star of the show was Prime Time in fairness. Where they got people in the audience... where they got the character barely able to read, calling us whatever he called us. Where did they get them?"
On Friday night, O'Neill said he was being more critical of the logistics of the situation rather than questioning anyone's ability to read.
Dolan was clearly that character to whom he was referring, as he did read parts of his views from bullet points prepared during the previous item on the show.
The 60-year-old Dolan, a retired bank official from Knocklyon in South Dublin, believes he is now owed an apology.
"If it was someone else in the audience, and a bit of banter between us, saying I was barely able to read, you'd take it as tongue-in-cheek," he said. "But when it comes from a man in his position, and the biggest sporting organisation in the country, I don't find it acceptable.
"I thought it was most derogatory, very wrong, and deeply hurtful. And I would be looking for an apology. I've always held the GAA in the highest admiration. I love the GAA, I love what they do, and I'm not out to insult anyone in a derogatory manner.
"And I wouldn't expect it from a man of his stature. It was so personal, and he has no right to say that about me as a person.
"I aired my views, as an ordinary person. So there was no need for him to say that, and personalise it like that. And I've got great support from around the country, with regard to the views I stated on the night. It was my first time to speak live on television. I did refer to my notes as little as I could . . . And I never got aggressive . . ."
Liam O'Neill didn't go near far enough in what he said about this utter simpleton.
With people like him working in the banks its no wonder they went bankrupt.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Agreed, as long as we are clear.
SKY SPORTS DO NOT BROADCAST TO THE IRISH DIASPORA BEYOND THE UK. IF ANYONE SAYS SKY IS GOOD FOR THE GAA BECAUSE IT BRINGS GAA ABROAD, THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Up to everyone to educate themselves though (including Mickey Harte).
But it will bring the GAA to approx half a million Irish in Britain. Is it not good for them? I think by abroad they mean Britain.
Britain is near abroad. They have many Irish cultural features such as the full irish breakfast, man utd and malt vinegar with chips.
Quote from: seafoid on April 05, 2014, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: roney on April 04, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Agreed, as long as we are clear.
SKY SPORTS DO NOT BROADCAST TO THE IRISH DIASPORA BEYOND THE UK. IF ANYONE SAYS SKY IS GOOD FOR THE GAA BECAUSE IT BRINGS GAA ABROAD, THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Up to everyone to educate themselves though (including Mickey Harte).
But it will bring the GAA to approx half a million Irish in Britain. Is it not good for them? I think by abroad they mean Britain.
Britain is near abroad. They have many Irish cultural features such as the full irish breakfast, man utd and malt vinegar with chips.
Since emigrating to Britain, I have encountered a lot of nationalists from the north of Ireland who seem to not consider Britain abroad and are taken back by my assertion that I am living abroad. Some of these are quite republican in their conversations which makes me think a lot of them are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Eamonn, just to say, saw your video on youtoob about the Sky Sports deal and totally agree with you.
Fair play. I couldn't give a rats arse about the Joe Duffy-types moaning about this that wouldn't set foot on their local GAA ground, but would appeal to all real GAA people to take a step back and re-assess this deal.
Like the opening up of Croker (which also saw a lot of dissention in the ranks) in time, I believe people will see the huge benefits of this new setup. Have heard a few county players like Aidan O'Shea moaning about the fact that Inter-County players won't see a cent of this new income, Ciarán Whelan then amongst others, was taking the "what about Johnny washing the jerseys in his local club" angle...My message to them would be..What the f*ck are you on about??
County players are not paid (from Croke park rugby/soccer windfalls or anything else) and 99% do not WANT to be paid. It's a unique situation we're in, being an amateur organisation in a position to create such revenue, so maybe some players struggle with this in their heads sometimes..but every county will reap the benefit from this now and down the line, and county boards (spending increasingly enormous sums on preparing squads) will pass some of that benefit onto the players.
Equally at club level, who WANTS to be paid? Yes, you have the situation in some parts of fellas charging X amount per session to train teams, which is worthy of discussion, but again..the benefit will filter down to clubs also.
RTE are showing 31 live games including all the semi finals and finals. If there's ever even a hint of the finals being shown exclusively on Sky Sports I will personally go and chain myself to the fence outside Croker, until then however, lets not get hysterical.
Flesh on the bones
MARTIN BREHENY – PUBLISHED 05 APRIL 2014 02:30 AM
It wasn't so much a few straws floating on a gentle breeze as great big sheaves of change lurking in a distant sky.
They went largely ignored because few thought that the wind would ever become strong enough to move them. And then a different Sky appeared.
While the majority of the GAA membership appeared stunned by Tuesday's announcement that Sky Sports, a subscription channel, had been granted exclusive rights for live coverage of 14 All-Ireland championship games this year, the signs were ominous for quite some time.
Setanta, another subscription channel, has had Saturday night rights for Allianz League games for several seasons.
And then, in the space of a few months last year, the GAA's president Liam O'Neill, director-general Paraic Duffy and commercial director Peter McKenna all made comments which, if not exactly announcing a change of TV rights policy for the championships, hinted at it.
EXPOSURE
"We've a lot of proposals and we're talking to a lot of different groups and that'll go on over the next few months," said Duffy in September.
"We have an open agenda on this one. What we're charged with is to get the best deal for the Association. That's not necessarily the most money but where we'll get the best TV coverage, exposure and marketing for our games. Obviously a pay-wall would cause some issues (for the championship) but we've been on a pay-wall with Setanta for the leagues," said McKenna in an interview with Matt Cooper on Today FM in November.
"All I'll say is that Peter McKenna is a shrewd gent. He will deal with the negotiations and I will only get involved at the final stages. He has the expertise to do that and we'll leave him to it," O'Neill told the media when asked about how the TV rights negotiations were progressing during the All Stars tour to Shanghai in early December.
McKenna's remarks were the most pointed, especially since O'Neill's comments left no doubt that the commercial director was the main man in the negotiations at that stage.
His job was to engage with all interested parties, putting together various packages and refining them as required before returning to the GAA's Management Committee, led by O'Neill and Duffy. with a range of options and recommendations.
In building terms, McKenna was the chief architect and designer while O'Neill and Duffy headed the council which would decide whether or not to grant planning permission. McKenna is very much the commercial overlord in charge of the GAA's general business activities as well as also managing the Croke Park Stadium.
He is more of a financial bottom-line man than O'Neill or Duffy, whose responsibilities encompass the broader GAA community and its sensitivities.
Consequently, O'Neill and Duffy can expect much more of a backlash against the Sky deal than McKenna, whose main job in the negotiations was to line up the best commercial deal, within the confines of the Association's ethos.
Duffy has more responsibilities in that area, while O'Neill is on the highest wire of all as the membership's top elected officer. His job takes him around the country week after week, where he can expect to spend much of his final 10 months as president explaining why the GAA put almost one-third of its televised championship programme for the next three years behind a pay wall.
The tri-annual TV rights negotiations became increasingly interesting since the start of the millennium as coverage increased in line with the extra games brought about by the introduction of the All-Ireland qualifiers in 2001. RTE remained the dominant player until 2008 when TV3 were granted some of the action, a situation which continued when the negotiations for the next deal were completed in early 2011.
It was all neat and tidy as two terrestrial channels shared the cake, leaving the public to take their free slices from whichever channel was offering the tray. But even as that deal was running through the 2013 season, thoughts were already turning to the new cycle, starting this summer.
"We began looking at it about nine months ago. We wanted a good long lead-in to make sure we got everything right. We went through an exhaustive process," said McKenna.
Existing rights holders and other interested parties were contacted and so began the task which ended early this week when the final deal was announced. The big change saw Sky Sports replacing TV3, with RTE continuing as the main rights holder.
It was open to any channel to bid for the entire championship package but that was most unlikely to happen in the current market. Besides, even if Sky Sports had gone for everything, there was no chance their bid would be successful because of the uproar it would generate among the GAA community.
It's understood that RTE's bid for the main package was considerably down on 2011, which was expected in line with market trends. Nonetheless, RTE were always going to be the main championship channel, leaving the secondary battle between TV3 and Sky Sports.
"Our aim all along was to get the balance right between the domestic and overseas markets. Every time GAA officials go abroad, the main request they get from Irish people is to do something to make sure that they have easier access to the games.
"We were very conscious of that in all the negotiations and we now have a deal to meet the needs of Irish people all over the world," said McKenna.
Sky Sports' interest in becoming involved held certain other attractions for the GAA, not least that it would provide ready access to games for Irish people in Britain. Sky came with other plus points too.
"Sky will bring a new perspective to their coverage, just as TV3 did when they came aboard. Everything will be in HD and obviously they have vast experience when it comes to being innovative.
"They will create a narrative for the qualifiers, bringing their own brand of expertise to the coverage. Competition is good in any walk of life and I'm sure RTE, who always do a good job, will respond again to the challenge," said McKenna.
"It's the way things work. Here in Croke Park, we've had to be more on our toes since the Aviva Stadium opened. Competition encourages everyone to look at how they are doing things and try to improve."
While the new package will increase revenue by a relatively small amount, McKenna said it was important to get as much return as possible from TV coverage at a time when market trends are down.
"The vast bulk of GAA income is recycled within the Association. That includes making stadiums as comfortable as possible for people who are actually attending the games as opposed to watching them on TV.
"Investment is needed across a whole range of areas, so income has to be maintained in whatever way we can at a time when government funding is down. Media rights are only part of that but it's an important part nonetheless," he said.
McKenna accepts there's unease over the move to Sky Sports but pointed out that between RTE's coverage of the championship and TG4's coverage of the Allianz Leagues, club championships and other competitions will result in almost 100 games per season being shown free-to-air over the next three years.
"It's interesting that when the number of live championship games shown under the last deal (2011-13) was cut by 10 on the previous deal (2008-10), it drew little or no critical comment.
"We think we've got the balance right with the new arrangement – both at home and abroad – and that time will show that to be the case," he said.
The brains behind the deal
The deal makers
Peter McKenna
(GAA commercial and Croke Park stadium director)
A native of Longford and a chemical engineering graduate from UCD, he joined the GAA in 2001 as Croke Park stadium director, having previously been chief executive of Smurfit Publishing and Design. His role was extended to GAA commercial director a few years ago. He won the Marketer of the Year award last year.
Paraic Duffy
(GAA director-general)
He took over from Liam Mulvihill as director-general in 2008, having previously worked in Croke Park as player welfare manager. Prior to that, he was principal of St Macartan's College, Monaghan. He served in a number of positions, including chairman, on the Monaghan County Board and later on various national committees, before becoming a full-time GAA employee in 2006.
Liam O'Neill
(GAA president)
A native of Trumera, Co Laois, he took over as president from Christy Cooney in April 2012 after a lengthy administrative career in Laois and Leinster, while also serving on several national committees.
You boys against the Sky deal are irrational but it will fade in time and there's no need for medication.
'Irrational' Sky deal criticism will fade when benefits seen – McKenna
GAA Commercial Director Peter McKenna
MARTIN BREHENY – PUBLISHED 05 APRIL 2014 02:30 AM
GAA commercial director Peter McKenna has described some of the criticism of the GAA's deal with Sky Sports as "irrational" and believes that when the overall package, which also includes much wider TV access to Irish people living abroad, works its way through this season the benefits will become apparent.
"It's something like Rule 42. Many people were opposed to opening Croke Park to rugby and soccer but once it happened, the advantages quickly became clear," he said.
"What we've done with the new TV deal is to move ever so slightly in a different direction, but for all the right reasons.
"Obviously people will react to change but we've got to keep things in perspective. Almost 100 games will still be available free to air on RTE and TG4 every year."
McKenna believes that Sky will add an exciting new dimension to championship coverage, and rejects claims that the GAA has sold out to the new arrival.
"Sky have exclusive access to 14 games only – it's not as if they have everything. They will bring their own brand of innovation to covering hurling and football, which will be very interesting.
"I would ask people to give it a chance. We have struck a deal which we believe to be in the GAA's best overall interest."
TV3 were the big losers in the new arrangement, forced out by Sky Sports after six years as RTE's junior partner for championship coverage.
Despite a TV3 statement which claimed that their bid had "been superseded by the GAA's preference for a pay television strategy", McKenna said the station had been gracious.
"The hardest thing in the whole process was that we couldn't find a slot for TV3," he said. The new package is believed to be worth around €32m over three years.
QuoteGAA commercial director Peter McKenna has described some of the criticism of the GAA's deal with Sky Sports as "irrational"
Usually find people who disagree with my views are irrational. ::)
looking forward to soccer GAAAM when it starts
Much is made of the promotional aspect of the deal and the benefits that trickle down to our clubs.
With almost a third of the games now going to pay per view, how is this promoting the game as best we can where it matters most - here in Ireland? The GAA is now contributing to a two tier society - the haves and the have nots. You are welcome to view our games if you can pay for it. If you cannot pay that's fine. Cheerio. Oh and would you mind marking the pitch next week?
The main 'market' for promotion is here at home; we have now disenfranchised the majority of people from 1/3 of the games. You can say they wouldn't see them if they weren't covered but the fact is they are being covered.
I am dubious about the over seas promotion. Looks to me like a lot of junkets for GAA ambassadors...no doubt there is great work being done on the ground by over seas clubs but there is a select few in the GAA admin swanning around the world 'promoting/supporting' what will always be a miniscule international dimension.
The GAA has become masters of the Spin.
As regards the trickle down, hmmm, 80% to Clubs and County Boards. I'd like to see that broken down between Clubs and County Boards - Clubs are getting very very little direct support from Croke Park. You can argue that money spent on games promotion and coaching is direct investment but it needs an overhaul as it is largely ineffective in most urban areas. There is a huge percentage of children not playing our games. And it is getting worse instead of better.
Quote from: Ringfort on April 05, 2014, 12:58:37 AM
I'm in the UK. Cannot see the benefit of Sky coverage for us Brit based Gaels. As if we are suddenly able to see the match through the benevolence of the GAA and Sky! Premiersports is doing the job at the moment at 9.99 at month and cancel whenever you want like I did when Sept finished and started again in Feb for league.
A lot of lads over here are working at bits and pieces. There's ould lads who have been on the roads for 40 years. I would say most are not set up at home with Sky tv already running. The local Irish boozer is the hub for GAA coverage which has had it for years between Setanta and 'dodgy boxes', there's not many missing out between that and premiersports I'd imagine.
So who is going to benefit in the UK from this? Are regular non-Irish pubs going to fire on Monaghan v Down or whatever for lack of anything else on the telly? Are they feck-SSN and racing on as normal. Heaps of tans are not going to be converted just cos the Gah is on SS4 or wherever. And the Irish can already watch it. So the benefits are improved 'punditry' (the game is the attraction lads btw) and er.......
Premier Sports are a joke, their coverage is unreliable and they often shift GAA coverage to show NASCAR or the like. The amount of times I set my sky plus to tape games and the Sunday game and found myself watching Ice Hockey was beyond a joke. Oh and just as an example, the Tyrone v Dublin league game isn't covered live tomorrow because NASCAR highlights are on. But it's ok, they are showing the game deffered, at the convenient time of 2pm on Monday afternoon. If you are happy with this level of service then fair enough, but I think we deserved a bit better from our pay per view channels.
May have been discussed already but one benefit from this is real competition for RTE, never mind live games, if Sky provide decent highlights coverage of all counties games rather than 30 seconds on the Sunday game surely that is a good thing.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:36 AM
Boys like our friend here haven't a clue. He's like the J1ers who showed up at a GAA stall that I set up in San Francisco one time, they were new in town and I don't think they'd traveled before. I was chatting to them while a woman appeared, looked at the posters and asked what game this is and asked how it's played. One of the young lads piped up (talking at a mile a minute in an impregnable Cork accent) "you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly." Not exactly as clear as Ikea assembly instructions.
Ah yes, the sophisticated Irish Americans being shown up by uncouth peasants from the oul sod , who'd never "traveled" before, turning up and being an embarrassment. It was ever thus, superiority and a fancy accent requires only 7 hours on a plane.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:36 AM
It's painful to watch, isn't it?
You see this shows you the difference between GAA promoters in Ireland (many of whom probably don't get out of the country much) and those of us who promote the game elsewhere. We know how the game looks to first-time viewers because we have to look at it through their eyes when we explain it to them. Boys like our friend here haven't a clue. He's like the J1ers who showed up at a GAA stall that I set up in San Francisco one time, they were new in town and I don't think they'd traveled before. I was chatting to them while a woman appeared, looked at the posters and asked what game this is and asked how it's played. One of the young lads piped up (talking at a mile a minute in an impregnable Cork accent) "you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly." Not exactly as clear as Ikea assembly instructions.
I know Cork people who give this answer to every question.
Q: Can you describe traditional Cork ground hurling?
A:
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.Q: How's the mot?
A:
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.Q: What's this story about gay porn?
A:
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.Q: Any advice for Sky on their Gaa coverage?
A:
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.Q: The Responsorial Psalm, and the response is.....
A:
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
QuoteCurran: Sky deal will make GAA sexy
05 April 2014
St Brigid's Shane Curran celebrates a late goal.Shane Curran has welcomed the GAA's TV rights deal with Sky Sports.
Writing in his Westmeath Independent column, the former Roscommon goalkeeper believes Sky's coverage will help to glamourise the national games.
"Sky's coverage will give the GAA an element of sexiness," he predicts.
"Okay, we don't want to see 20 scantily-clad women parading around the Croke Park pitch, but the perception of half-time or pre-match entertainment here is appalling. I don't want to hear another rendition of 'The West's Awake' when a Connacht team plays in Croke Park, or 'Limerick You're a Lady' when the Treaty County appear at headquarters.
"This type of thing needs to be jazzed-up and looked at in a modern light.
"Sky will help to package the whole product in a modern and more attractive way. Nobody wants to see the GAA become too over-the-top, and it has to retain its core values. I think the involvement of Sky will represent a great day for Gaelic games and it will further enhance the product both here and around the world."
The Castlerea man is right yet again.
QuoteThe Castlerea man is right yet again
I'd say if he said the opposite you would also say he is right.
Quote from: muppet on April 05, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:36 AM
It's painful to watch, isn't it?
You see this shows you the difference between GAA promoters in Ireland (many of whom probably don't get out of the country much) and those of us who promote the game elsewhere. We know how the game looks to first-time viewers because we have to look at it through their eyes when we explain it to them. Boys like our friend here haven't a clue. He's like the J1ers who showed up at a GAA stall that I set up in San Francisco one time, they were new in town and I don't think they'd traveled before. I was chatting to them while a woman appeared, looked at the posters and asked what game this is and asked how it's played. One of the young lads piped up (talking at a mile a minute in an impregnable Cork accent) "you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly." Not exactly as clear as Ikea assembly instructions.
I know Cork people who give this answer to every question.
Q: Can you describe traditional Cork ground hurling?
A: you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
Q: How's the mot?
A: you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
Q: What's this story about gay porn?
A: you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
Q: Any advice for Sky on their Gaa coverage?
A: you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
Q: The Responsorial Psalm, and the response is.....
A: you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you let fly.
you stick to your man, you get in, you get the ball and you execute a short pass, retaining possession while the fella beside you does a dummy run boy
Quote from: Syferus on April 05, 2014, 05:45:19 PM
QuoteCurran: Sky deal will make GAA sexy
05 April 2014
St Brigid's Shane Curran celebrates a late goal.Shane Curran has welcomed the GAA's TV rights deal with Sky Sports.
Writing in his Westmeath Independent column, the former Roscommon goalkeeper believes Sky's coverage will help to glamourise the national games.
"Sky's coverage will give the GAA an element of sexiness," he predicts.
"Okay, we don't want to see 20 scantily-clad women parading around the Croke Park pitch, but the perception of half-time or pre-match entertainment here is appalling. I don't want to hear another rendition of 'The West's Awake' when a Connacht team plays in Croke Park, or 'Limerick You're a Lady' when the Treaty County appear at headquarters.
"This type of thing needs to be jazzed-up and looked at in a modern light.
"Sky will help to package the whole product in a modern and more attractive way. Nobody wants to see the GAA become too over-the-top, and it has to retain its core values. I think the involvement of Sky will represent a great day for Gaelic games and it will further enhance the product both here and around the world."
The Castlerea man is right yet again.
God forbid, Cake. God forbid.
So the games they'll share with RTE
...will RTE be able to show these games on free view up here in the 6 counties?
The champions league games on RTE dont .
All lot I agree with there Fionn, but I think your analysis is slightly skewed with regard to ratings on SS3.
I'll preface this by saying that I worked on a subscription channel for many years. And the first thing that matters to a subscription channel in terms of revenue are subscriptions, second is programme sponsorship and third (and it is always the revenue source that comes in under expectation) is between programme advertising.
Subscription channels (whether they are Sky or Setanta) cannot and do not rely on ratings. If they do, they will not last very long. So Sky will look at GAA not in terms of how many will watch, but how many they can induce to subscribe - they obviously think there is a business case for this. Given how much churn there has been with recession, people dumping their subs or scaling them back, often the acquisition of just one sport can be the tipping point to get them back. GAA might be that for a few thousand people - remember they don't need hundreds of thousands watching for it to be viable.
Just on SS3 ratings, Sky have pursued a policy of branding their channels over the past few years - so football appears mainly on SS1, cricket on SS2, golf on SS4. You don't see them moving the Ashes off SS2 to SS1 for it to get more viewers - the same with the golf. When you get a subscription you get all 4 - I don't think Sky are looking at SS3 as a ratings graveyard for GAA - I think during the summer, it just means that SS2 will be busy with cricket, SS4 with golf, and there is no point putting it on SS1 as there will be clashes when the Premier League returns in August.
Lastly, there has been comparisons (not by you Fionn!) of the GAA with speedway, netball etc. This misses the point by a fair way. TV rights for those sports would ve very cheap, non existent in some cases - they are practically begging for Sky coverage. With the GAA, Sky entered a competitive rights market and spent a lot of money (especially given the uncertainty surrounding Heineken Cup and the their loss of the Champions League) for a sports package that it is hugely important to Ireland - a territory that is being bitterly contested by themselves and BT in both TV subs and broadband packages (I'm including UPC as the BT proxy here). They have to make a big deal of it - maybe not as big as Premier League of course, but certainly you'd hope the production values would be on a par with their Heineken Cup coverage.
Quote from: Catch and Kick on April 05, 2014, 12:48:56 PM
how is this promoting the game as best we can where it matters most - here in Ireland?
Citation needed.
QuoteI am dubious about the over seas promotion ... what will always be a miniscule international dimension.
It will always be miniscule if the GAA top brass ever listen to defeatist and ill-informed statements like this.
Quote
Love it or hate it, this is GAA country. No sporting body comes close to creating such pride or such fury. The banks ruined the country and we took it all calmly. A relatively straightforward business decision by the GAA this week? Pandemonium. It made me wonder again if the GAA world is divided in two – those who give so much and then those who bellyache about someone getting rich through the GAA and want to know 'where's mine'? This was a big week for the bellyache brigade and the vested interests crying crocodile tears for the old people, the children, the community and the poor dead patriots.
Full article by Donal Og Cusack (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/this-is-gaa-country-come-on-in-sky-264449.html)
Given that gaa is a new sport to the British audience it's a hardly a surprise that in the first season it's on ss3. If it goes well it could end up moving over in future years.
I'm looking forward to seeing their build up to the all Ireland finals. Rte have one show on the sat night full of music. It'll be nice to see the build up on sky sports news and preview shows during the week. The finals could be turned into big event with a decent international audience relatively quickly.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 05, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Given that gaa is a new sport to the British audience it's a hardly a surprise that in the first season it's on ss3. If it goes well it could end up moving over in future years.
I'm looking forward to seeing their build up to the all Ireland finals. Rte have one show on the sat night full of music. It'll be nice to see the build up on sky sports news and preview shows during the week. The finals could be turned into big event with a decent international audience relatively quickly.
+1. And there'll be none of this "puke football" and "tell your children to play tennis instead" rubbish from their pundits.
Having the semis and finals of both codes gives Sky the sort of ammunition that can attract people with no relation to Ireland or the GAA to our sports. How many times have we fawned over great semis or finals? Even foreign journalists fall in love with the sports' big occasions as is. I'm really looking forward to how Sky approaches the sports.
Quote from: hardstation on April 05, 2014, 09:48:44 PM
I think I'd be in the 'suck it and see' camp.
Willing to give it a chance....but watching closely.
An awful lot of people who are against the Sky deal, would watch Sky.
I quit Sky in the mid 1990s, when I had to pay for the Ryder Cup for the first time.
The real question is...........is this the thin end of the wedge?
For the moment, I will keep an open mind.
This topic has reminded me I need to ring the bastards to get a discount as they are robbing me blind !
I hope the GAA has thought a bit about the use of clips for magazine programmes, news bulletins and the like. It is in the GAA's interest to have UTV (say) show clips without giving them an excuse to say that they cannot get the clips.
That Ulster Heinekin Cup match tonight is exactly why the GAA have gone with Sky. The GAA are competing with Rugby and can't afford to take a backward step, on the back of an Ireland Six Nations win, BOD euphoria, and the provinces doing great, it's time for some more innovation.
The GAA is the worlds largest and most successful amateur sporting organisation and they are also great innovators and this is a brave and forward-thinking step into a new environment that will bring much needed freshness for the viewer and further competition for our national broadcasters who have become banal.
I remember channel 4 had coverage but it was well over 20 years so the general public wont remember too much about it. In recent years its been on other channels that wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as sky sports so it will be new to a lot of the British public.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 05, 2014, 11:19:56 PM
Following on from Sky, part 2...
BBC NI
BBC N. Ireland's end of the deal means it can show games involving any of the 9 Ulster teams in the Ulster SFC that is also being shown on RTÉ.
This means they will be able to show the preliminary round and all first-round ties, likely BBC 2 NI.
However they can only show one of the semi-finals. The semi-final between Armagh/Cavan vs. Tyrone/Down/Monaghan is one of the ties that is exclusive to Sky Sports who have the sole rights to the island of Ireland, meaning the BBC cannot show it.
They will be able to show the Ulster SFC final. Although not stated anywhere I've seen yet I would assume that like in the past few years, any Ulster team featured from the All-Ireland quarter final onwards (unless it's in the two quarter finals Sky Sports can exclusively show) will also be shown on BBC 2 NI as well
As far as I know the quarter-final involving the Ulster Champions will be exclusive to Sky.
Huge amount of populist journo-scutter appearing in the rags with regards this deal.
Liam Fay in the Indo yesterday championing GAA fans 'who regularly pay big-money ticket prices' despite the fact there are hardly any major sporting organisations in the developed world with better pricing than the GAA.
You can tell the bluffers a mile away, at least these talking heads have almost no influence on public opinion anymore.
How many Hurling games will sky be showing. And re the punditry, could Sky not just use Brolly, O'Rourke, Spillane etc.? Those guys are probably independent traders.
Hopefully sky get Darragh Maloney to do the commentary, the best about by a long way, but RTE dont seem to use him for the GAA any longer.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 06, 2014, 02:15:24 PM
How many Hurling games will sky be showing. And re the punditry, could Sky not just use Brolly, O'Rourke, Spillane etc.? Those guys are probably independent traders.
They probably wouldn't use them because they'll most likely want pundits who can actually analyse a game and not just trot out meaningless sound bites!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 05, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Given that gaa is a new sport to the British audience it's a hardly a surprise that in the first season it's on ss3. If it goes well it could end up moving over in future years.
I'm looking forward to seeing their build up to the all Ireland finals. Rte have one show on the sat night full of music. It'll be nice to see the build up on sky sports news and preview shows during the week. The finals could be turned into big event with a decent international audience relatively quickly.
+1. And there'll be none of this "puke football" and "tell your children to play tennis instead" rubbish from their pundits.
if you would pay Eur40 pm just to view Sky eventism and style of popular punditry and consider it money well spent, then I'd file that viewpoint as lacking seriousness :) It's not just about all those who already are sky sport subscribers, it's mainly about the rest who are not sky sport subscribers and so far have not taken the plunge and those who will never take the plunge.
I don't live on the IOI though I have an Irish sky card in my sky box.
This package of games would have been on the TV3 package, now it will cost an extra 40 eur pm. I tend to watch most every championship game televised.
This is the same situation for people in Ireland. For the most part, a package that was viewed at no extra cost now caries a hefty levy. Where is the progress or benefit with this deal? Afaics there is none in Ireland, mainly a large minus in regards to this package of games.
For Sky the attraction is holding onto and gaining new Sky sports subscribers, both in UK and Irl , those people with a basic sky package who are on the edge, might just now take the whole package.
For GAA residents in the UK, splitting the package between 2 different subscription services is not about improving the service to those GAA viewers who do not already subscribe to Sky Sports package.
For the most part, the interests of the UK GAA viewers would have been better served by negotiating and mandating a better service and expanding the game menu on one sat channel (premier sports) and increasing access in other ways to the same games.
For the GAA, the main aim of splitting the UK package would be catch the casual viewer who already has a Sky sports sub. I can see that benefit mainly in one context, that the AI finals would eventually become an international event of interest, not unlike superbowl, at least more high profile than Handball/Basketball European finals are currently across Europe.
I would be very sceptical that the casual sports subscription viewer would be motivated to watch the odcg (ordinary decent championship game).
When it comes to some games, I usually invite a few friends around who have not a clue about gaelic games, they enjoy the occasion just as I would a super bowl party, but would they watch it on their own? I very much doubt it.
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
if you would pay Eur40 pm just to view Sky eventism and style of popular punditry and consider it money well spent, then I'd file that viewpoint as lacking seriousness :)
My personal preferences are irrelevant. It's what the market says that counts.
Right.
I've been thinking about this.
So the GAA have in recent years been changing the rules to clean it up, sanitise it and make the game as close to non contact just so that we go to Sky and demonstrate that we're on top of discipline and it's not a hallions game and that it will appeal to advertisers first and sports viewers second.
Sound.
Quote from: orangeman on April 06, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Right.
I've been thinking about this.
So the GAA have in recent years been changing the rules to clean it up, sanitise it and make the game as close to non contact just so that we go to Sky and demonstrate that we're on top of discipline and it's not a hallions game and that it will appeal to advertisers first and sports viewers second.
Sound.
Yeah, bring the good old days back. First off lets get 40,000 along to the Railway Cup Finals, radio coverage, black and white telly, don't look where you're kicking the ball, after a while we could perhaps allow for glorious technicolour just in time for Laochra Gael Martin O'Connell to tr**p on a mans head splitting him open and sure we'll let him away with it to boot.
Sorry to sound disingenuous to our forefathers there but the decision making of the GAA has stood the test of time and this is an innovative step forward. In this day and age when 4 professional rugby teams and the national rugby team are getting mega exposure the GAA are obliged to try and raise their profile and showcase the games for what they are, world class.
Quote from: tiempo on April 06, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 06, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Right.
I've been thinking about this.
So the GAA have in recent years been changing the rules to clean it up, sanitise it and make the game as close to non contact just so that we go to Sky and demonstrate that we're on top of discipline and it's not a hallions game and that it will appeal to advertisers first and sports viewers second.
Sound.
Yeah, bring the good old days back. First off lets get 40,000 along to the Railway Cup Finals, radio coverage, black and white telly, don't look where you're kicking the ball, after a while we could perhaps allow for glorious technicolour just in time for Laochra Gael Martin O'Connell to tr**p on a mans head splitting him open and sure we'll let him away with it to boot.
Sorry to sound disingenuous to our forefathers there but the decision making of the GAA has stood the test of time and this is an innovative step forward. In this day and age when 4 professional rugby teams and the national rugby team are getting mega exposure the GAA are obliged to try and raise their profile and showcase the games for what they are, world class.
You're over reacting. :)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 06, 2014, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
if you would pay Eur40 pm just to view Sky eventism and style of popular punditry and consider it money well spent, then I'd file that viewpoint as lacking seriousness :)
My personal preferences are irrelevant. It's what the market says that counts.
"The market" what a cliche :) That would be a sky marketing issue, which was discussed.
I was referring directly to your personal preference, which are relevant when you express them in a post.
It's common enough that a reply to one of you post will follow.
an example could be,
a simple "+1" or "I agree with you there Eamonn" or "I think that's a puke opinion Eamonn" or "if you pay 40 eur a month to experience Sky eventism and Sky style punditry, you need your head examined".
Am I correct in thinking that RTE 1& 2 were already on Sky basic package [apart from in Ireland] and on Freeview, and therefore anyone who had Sky already could have watched these programmes woithout having to pay for a Sky Sports package?
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 07, 2014, 11:59:02 AM
Am I correct in thinking that RTE 1& 2 were already on Sky basic package [apart from in Ireland] and on Freeview, and therefore anyone who had Sky already could have watched these programmes woithout having to pay for a Sky Sports package?
Not in Britain.
Quote from: tiempo on April 06, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 06, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Right.
I've been thinking about this.
So the GAA have in recent years been changing the rules to clean it up, sanitise it and make the game as close to non contact just so that we go to Sky and demonstrate that we're on top of discipline and it's not a hallions game and that it will appeal to advertisers first and sports viewers second.
Sound.
Yeah, bring the good old days back. First off lets get 40,000 along to the Railway Cup Finals, radio coverage, black and white telly, don't look where you're kicking the ball, after a while we could perhaps allow for glorious technicolour just in time for Laochra Gael Martin O'Connell to tr**p on a mans head splitting him open and sure we'll let him away with it to boot.
Sorry to sound disingenuous to our forefathers there but the decision making of the GAA has stood the test of time and this is an innovative step forward. In this day and age when 4 professional rugby teams and the national rugby team are getting mega exposure the GAA are obliged to try and raise their profile and showcase the games for what they are, world class.
;D
They do a deal with sky sports but I cant even watch league Sunday on the RTE player. Sort it out RTE
Quote from: Hereiam on April 07, 2014, 01:26:16 PM
They do a deal with sky sports but I cant even watch league Sunday on the RTE player. Sort it out RTE
If by this you are referring to issues with NI IP numbers, then RTÉ can only recognise an IP as being in NI if your ISP says that it is. Does it and if it does not have you asked your ISP why?
I know the IP is not in the north but how many people's is. The fact is if they want to promote the games outside of Ireland then they should remove this stupid restriction.
Quote from: Hereiam on April 07, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
I know the IP is not in the north but how many people's is.
People in the North, I suppose?
QuoteThe fact is if they want to promote the games outside of Ireland then they should remove this stupid restriction.
Do RTÉ currently have rights outside of Ireland? If these have been sold to someone else RTÉ has no choice but to restrict access, no point in blaming them, this is GAA policy. RTÉ can be blamed for plenty of other things it can control.
I live in the north and my ip and my work ip addresses go through leeds england. Last year it went through Glasgow. Dont ask me why. GAA RTE Does it really matter, it is ridiculous that viewers in the north are denied this service
Quote from: Hereiam on April 07, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
I live in the north and my ip and my work ip addresses go through leeds england. Last year it went through Glasgow. Dont ask me why. GAA RTE Does it really matter, it is ridiculous that viewers in the north are denied this service
It does matter, blaming RTÉ is pointless and blaming the wrong people means that it never gets sorted. Why don't the useless nationalist politicians ensure that such services can be delivered in the North?
As the article says, UTV Internet offer NI geolocated IP addresses, yet those complaining would never dream of giving them the business in order to save 50p a week with some other crowd who they never even asked if they provided properly geolocated IP numbers. >:(
The GAA should negotiate a group scheme with someone, we will deliver 5000 customers if you geolocate the IP!
The official guide says that all jersies, socks, togs etc should be of Irish manufacture. Great job.
An irish based television channel, TV3 got sacked from covering the games live in favour of a multi national who might be able to market the game better etc.
I can't see the GAA allowing NIKE or Adidas into the clothing market all the same.
Quote from: orangeman on April 08, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
The official guide says that all jersies, socks, togs etc should be of Irish manufacture. Great job.
An irish based television channel, TV3 got sacked from covering the games live in favour of a multi national who might be able to market the game better etc.
I can't see the GAA allowing NIKE or Adidas into the clothing market all the same.
Sure can't they already with work-arounds? Adidas were doing the Kerry jersey by having a Dublin manufacturer produce the jersey for them.
I love the description - a sweetheart deal. Also We shouldn't be so puritanical that the whole thought of having a treat should be taken away."
From today's Indo.
The GAA is negotiating with Sky Sports to see if they will do a special discounted subscription deal for clubs which would help ensure that their members don't miss out any of this summer's televised championship matches.
The Association has shipped a great deal of criticism in the past week for giving 14 of its championship games exclusively to the British subscription channel.
But that clamour could lessen if a special sweetheart deal for GAA clubs could be struck. That would certainly soften the blow as it would mean that clubs could get discounted subscriptions and show the games in their clubhouses and members would not have to shell out personally for the access.
The GAA's commercial director Peter McKenna has confirmed that negotiations are ongoing about the possibility of a discount for clubs.
"We will work with Sky and see if there are things we can do in terms of getting subscriptions for clubs and so forth," he said. "All of these things are happening as we speak.
"What we are trying to do is get them contact details with clubs, which Sky said they would want around the launch of the event. We are working on it at the moment."
AMMUNITION
The Sky deal gave further ammunition to the critics who allege that the GAA has become more interested in commercial profits than its grassroots and it signed its latest sponsorship deal yesterday.
The fact that the Association is adding its name to the wrapper of a chocolate bar (Cadbury's Moro) could attract further criticism, especially from the health lobby.
But the same company has been sponsoring the U-21 football championship for the past decade and the latest deal involves a competition that will offer two all-expenses-paid trips to Boston next autumn to watch the All Stars in action.
"Cadbury have been huge sponsors of the U-21s for years and they're huge employers in Coolock and have been for years," McKenna said. "The Moro bar is the only one that is manufactured in Ireland. Chocolate is a treat and it should always be seen as such. We shouldn't be so puritanical that the whole thought of having a treat should be taken away."
He said that the GAA distributes €44m every year and needs to sign commercial deals to maintain that.
"If we were to get a grant for €44m elsewhere we would do things differently, but that's unrealistic," McKenna added. "We have an obligation. We have €9m that's going to be spent on capital developments this year.
"There's another €10m that goes into county offices and other developmental activity. There's €14m being spent on game development and we have 100-odd development officers all over the country. The money is well spent."
On twitter the only strong supporters of this move are the GAA hierarchy and Intercounty players/former Intercounty players.
Does anyone think that they have a better idea of the situation than most, or is it just because that group of individuals stand to gain the most?
How do they gain the most?
Quote from: orangeman on April 08, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
The official guide says that all jersies, socks, togs etc should be of Irish manufacture. Great job.
An irish based television channel, TV3 got sacked from covering the games live in favour of a multi national who might be able to market the game better etc.
I can't see the GAA allowing NIKE or Adidas into the clothing market all the same.
OK, hang tough there on that one.
TV3 is an Irish based broadcaster, which is owned by Doughty and Hanson, a British Private Equity FM. It employs 200 people in Ireland approx.
Sky is a British based broadcaster, owned by an Australian. It employs over 1,000 people in Ireland, approx.
So you're getting worked up about a British Owned broadcaster with 200 employees losing out to an Australian owned broadcaster who employs 1,000 people in Ireland?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2014, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 08, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
The official guide says that all jersies, socks, togs etc should be of Irish manufacture. Great job.
An irish based television channel, TV3 got sacked from covering the games live in favour of a multi national who might be able to market the game better etc.
I can't see the GAA allowing NIKE or Adidas into the clothing market all the same.
OK, hang tough there on that one.
TV3 is an Irish based broadcaster, which is owned by Doughty and Hanson, a British Private Equity FM. It employs 200 people in Ireland approx.
Sky is a British based broadcaster, owned by an Australian. It employs over 1,000 people in Ireland, approx.
So you're getting worked up about a British Owned broadcaster with 200 employees losing out to an Australian owned broadcaster who employs 1,000 people in Ireland?
Not getting worked up at all. This is all revenue neutral. ;)
Quote from: stibhan on April 08, 2014, 09:55:03 AM
On twitter the only strong supporters of this move are the GAA hierarchy and Intercounty players/former Intercounty players.
Does anyone think that they have a better idea of the situation than most, or is it just because that group of individuals stand to gain the most?
Ah well if it's on fcukin TWITTER ........ sure no more needs to be said.
Quote from: orangeman on April 08, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2014, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 08, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
The official guide says that all jersies, socks, togs etc should be of Irish manufacture. Great job.
An irish based television channel, TV3 got sacked from covering the games live in favour of a multi national who might be able to market the game better etc.
I can't see the GAA allowing NIKE or Adidas into the clothing market all the same.
OK, hang tough there on that one.
TV3 is an Irish based broadcaster, which is owned by Doughty and Hanson, a British Private Equity FM. It employs 200 people in Ireland approx.
Sky is a British based broadcaster, owned by an Australian. It employs over 1,000 people in Ireland, approx.
So you're getting worked up about a British Owned broadcaster with 200 employees losing out to an Australian owned broadcaster who employs 1,000 people in Ireland?
Not getting worked up at all. This is all revenue neutral. ;)
I know it is, but I'm not buying the angle that Irish jobs are being done down here by Sky coming on board.
Just responding to a question from Fionntamhnach - the old GAA show that went out on Sky back in the late 90s, early noughties was called "Clash" - worked on it the odd time, it was an edited highlights package. It got rebranded around 2003? maybe to GAA2003/2004 etc.
They dropped it in around the time Setanta set up stand alone channels. But it was on Sky for at least six years.
A bit of hysteria here around jobs - TV3 have been shedding full time jobs for years, even with the GAA contracts, whereas Sky, when they broadcast from Ireland usually use Irish OB production facilities (of course TV3 would also have used Irish production facilities). Certainly there will be no jobs lost within those disciplines (freelancers move between productions all the time).
This has been answered before I'm sure but how many subscriptions to Sky currently have in Ireland and what is the potential for Sky's growth in business ?
I'm going to guess, but based on feedback over the last week, I think they have 5 (five) subscriptions in Ireland. They hope to grow it to 20 with these games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
I'm going to guess, but based on feedback over the last week, I think they have 5 (five) subscriptions in Ireland. They hope to grow it to 20 with these games.
That being the case, all new subscriptions should be rewarded with one of these. They'll be sponsored of course but are made in Coolock and the milk comes from Nenagh and the cocoa farm is owned by one of the diaspora who bought a wee farm years ago out there after getting a big suspension after swinging a hurl in an inappropriate manner but thankfully he can see the games free now in his farm in Africa, a potential growth area for GAA, which was very evident after a team arrived in Stormont a few weeks ago.
(http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/miscellaneous/LON_chocolate2014.jpg)
Quote from: Lone Shark on April 03, 2014, 02:44:02 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just checked the RTE website. Good account of the Dublin/Meath U-21 game.
Not a mention of the Ulster U-21games...no final scores even.
Shows their commitment to anything outside the Pale.
I hate to be cast in the role of defender of RTE, but in fairness to them, they cover provincial finals only at this grade. If you want to accuse them of scant coverage then do, and you may have a point, but it's not geographical bias whatever else it is. I was on duty for RTE.ie tonight and I will be again for the Connacht final on Saturday - and it's a long way from the Pale to Carrick on Shannon.
RTE covering Ulster U-21 final tonight? Or Munster one?
TV3 will be gone in a year lads.
Quote from: stibhan on April 08, 2014, 09:55:03 AM
On twitter the only strong supporters of this move are the GAA hierarchy and Intercounty players/former Intercounty players.
.. And the GAA grassroots outside of Ireland.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 09, 2014, 09:44:51 PM
Quote from: stibhan on April 08, 2014, 09:55:03 AM
On twitter the only strong supporters of this move are the GAA hierarchy and Intercounty players/former Intercounty players.
.. And the GAA grassroots outside of Ireland.
christ you are a dose. OK, you are working on GAA promotion overseas, like thousands of us have done beforehand. If folk in ireland want to vent about losing out in this deal (to sky, promoting in the UK), let them ffs and then we can all move on. Lets not forget, that 99.99% of gaels are all on for the promotion of the game.
Quote from: Hereiam on April 07, 2014, 01:26:16 PM
They do a deal with sky sports but I cant even watch league Sunday on the RTE player. Sort it out RTE
Your not missing much. This show is brutal. RTE have no interest in covering Gaelic Games or promoting them.
The sooner all the games are on Sky Sports the better.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 03, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just checked the RTE website. Good account of the Dublin/Meath U-21 game.
Not a mention of the Ulster U-21games...no final scores even.
Shows their commitment to anything outside the Pale.
RTE is an MI5 operation
That Angelus is just a decoy to lure in unsuspecting punters.
Quote from: stibhan on April 08, 2014, 09:55:03 AM
On twitter the only strong supporters of this move are the GAA hierarchy and Intercounty players/former Intercounty players.
Does anyone think that they have a better idea of the situation than most, or is it just because that group of individuals stand to gain the most?
You'd need a nationwide poll to get a better view of how people feel.
Twitter is not representative. Anyone who disagrees and needs to vent is more likely to be on Twitter
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/tv3-wins-rights-to-2015-rugby-world-cup-1.1759633
TV3 has won the rights to televise the 2015 Rugby World Cup in Ireland ahead of RTÉ. The decision is expected to be announced by the International Rugby Board, who sell the rights to the four-yearly global tournament, at some point next week.
The television bidding war in Ireland had always seemed to be inextricably linked with the almost simultaneous battle for the GAA's All-Ireland championship, and as suspected at the time, there was always a possibility of there being a consequence for the World Cup.
By dint of RTÉ and Sky winning the rights to the summer's GAA championship, and TV3 missing out, the latter organisation was able to utilise the money it would have spent acquiring any rights to Gaelic games by supplementing its bid for the rugby World Cup.
Given RTÉ's long-established position as the primary broadcaster of rugby in Ireland, and commitment to covering the entire tournament, one can only presume the IRB was swayed toward TV3 by a bigger financial offer, in what will be a demoralising blow for the national broadcasters. It remains to be seen whether TV3 will sell some of the games to Setanta Sports, as it did for the 2007 World Cup in France.
RTE are useless. Sky should get all games. Take the games away from RTE altogether. Lazy as sin they are.
Billy's take on the Sky deal
New Sky deal should have been discussed by the rank and file
The contentious GAA/Sky deal was not put up for discussion by the rank and file
BILLY KEANE – PUBLISHED 12 APRIL 2014 02:30 AM
So it is that the GAA have weathered yet another storm. Sky have been awarded the rights to GAA games and we will have to pay to watch football and hurling on TV.
Unlike the giant trees that fell in the spring gales, the stout old oaks of the GAA have come through without so much as a broken twig or a dislocated acorn. There's hardly a word about the row over pay per kick and puck this week. There are times in this business when we have to react to news as it happens, but this is written after 10 days of soul-searching and at least one change of mind.
The big question for me isn't so much that Sky were awarded the exclusive transmission of some GAA games, but that this contentious issue wasn't put up for discussion by the rank and file. Technically, the GAA were entitled to conclude the Sky deal without recourse to the membership. The GAA used to be led from the grassroots rather from the top down. The opening up of Croke Park for soccer and rugby started off in a small club in Leitrim
The GAA is a business, but it is also much more than that. The concept of volunteerism is fundamental to the GAA. The playing fields and dressing- rooms in every parish were built and paid for by the people who lived there.
Somehow it seems alien to the traditions of the GAA that a big call was made by a small few. For sure there has to be delegation – you can't have 500,000 people sitting around a table discussing the detail.
You'd have to see the logic of appointing a management committee to deal with TV rights, but this fundamental change should have been put to the members for a vote. Could it be the top table were worried that the motion would not succeed?
Sky will do an excellent job and the GAA fans living abroad will get to see live matches. For this reason alone we see great merit in allowing Sky to broadcast games. The GAA will score financially and some of the money will trickle down to the clubs.
There are stories from long ago of crowds gathering in kitchens to listen to the match on the only radio in the parish. So it is that people will go to neighbour's houses to watch matches on Sky and more will pay up or visit a pub. There may be some sense of putting RTE in their place. The pundits on RTE don't hold back. The GAA have often complained about Joe Brolly, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke, but all three are honest in their beliefs – even if they are sometimes wrong.
Would I have allowed the Sky deal to go through? When I heard the news first I was seething. There will be kids whose parents can afford Sky and those who cannot. Young boys and girls will miss out on seeing the county team because they have no money. Some will be too embarrassed or shy to ask their school pals for a seat in front of the television with a Sky box. We know there are many other reasons, for and against.
For me, the showing of the games abroad is paramount. At the end of the day, our emigrants take preference. We let a whole generation down as a country and I believe Liam O'Neill, the outgoing president of the GAA, when he said the availability of the games to the diaspora was his overriding concern. The GAA have made a huge effort at promoting our games in far-flung places. There is hardly a big city anywhere in the world that doesn't have a GAA team. You're never alone when you're a member of a club.
The thinking time convinced me the decision to award games to Sky for this reason was right, but the process was flawed. There are thousands of GAA people who will disagree and their voices must be heard.
I was told the story of a farm labourer who voted against his boss at a stormy GAA meeting. The vote was in a rural club and it had to do with the lifting of the GAA ban.
The labourer voted for abolition. It was back in the late sixties when the strong farmer still ruled the land. Work was every bit as scarce as it is now and there was very little machinery. Men were 30 and 40 years a slave.
The day after the meeting the labourer was sent scouring dykes so wet and mucky you could meet a crocodile lurking behind a clump of rushes, but the farm worker accepted his punishment without a crib.
That honest man was king for a day and he voted the way he did so his young lad could play soccer or rugby without fear of reprisal.
That night, the boy had to take off his dad's coat. The father was unable to lift his arms above his head. The exhausted man was so cold after his day in the marshy dyke, the big fire couldn't warm him and he shook all over. His story was told to me by the farm worker's son and he was the one who asked me to pose this question.
This story was up this morning but isn't there anymore. TV licence men - surely they've other ways of finding out if you're not paying the proper subscription ?
Sky to target GAA clubs to clamp down on subscription dodgers
Published By: Irish Independent - Today
Sky is set to send staff into GAA clubhouses right around the country to penalise those broadcasting games without the required commercial subscription....
Sure they were probably doing that already, a non-story.
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2014, 10:15:18 AM
TV3 has won the rights to televise the 2015 Rugby World Cup in Ireland ahead of RTÉ.
The Dublin 4 fcukers will be gutted ;D
The end of RTÉ as we know it.
Quote from: orangeman on April 12, 2014, 12:55:16 PM
Billy's take on the Sky deal
New Sky deal should have been discussed by the rank and file
The contentious GAA/Sky deal was not put up for discussion by the rank and file
BILLY KEANE – PUBLISHED 12 APRIL 2014 02:30 AM
So it is that the GAA have weathered yet another storm. Sky have been awarded the rights to GAA games and we will have to pay to watch football and hurling on TV.
Unlike the giant trees that fell in the spring gales, the stout old oaks of the GAA have come through without so much as a broken twig or a dislocated acorn. There's hardly a word about the row over pay per kick and puck this week. There are times in this business when we have to react to news as it happens, but this is written after 10 days of soul-searching and at least one change of mind.
The big question for me isn't so much that Sky were awarded the exclusive transmission of some GAA games, but that this contentious issue wasn't put up for discussion by the rank and file. Technically, the GAA were entitled to conclude the Sky deal without recourse to the membership. The GAA used to be led from the grassroots rather from the top down. The opening up of Croke Park for soccer and rugby started off in a small club in Leitrim
The GAA is a business, but it is also much more than that. The concept of volunteerism is fundamental to the GAA. The playing fields and dressing- rooms in every parish were built and paid for by the people who lived there.
Somehow it seems alien to the traditions of the GAA that a big call was made by a small few. For sure there has to be delegation – you can't have 500,000 people sitting around a table discussing the detail.
You'd have to see the logic of appointing a management committee to deal with TV rights, but this fundamental change should have been put to the members for a vote. Could it be the top table were worried that the motion would not succeed?
Sky will do an excellent job and the GAA fans living abroad will get to see live matches. For this reason alone we see great merit in allowing Sky to broadcast games. The GAA will score financially and some of the money will trickle down to the clubs.
There are stories from long ago of crowds gathering in kitchens to listen to the match on the only radio in the parish. So it is that people will go to neighbour's houses to watch matches on Sky and more will pay up or visit a pub. There may be some sense of putting RTE in their place. The pundits on RTE don't hold back. The GAA have often complained about Joe Brolly, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke, but all three are honest in their beliefs – even if they are sometimes wrong.
Would I have allowed the Sky deal to go through? When I heard the news first I was seething. There will be kids whose parents can afford Sky and those who cannot. Young boys and girls will miss out on seeing the county team because they have no money. Some will be too embarrassed or shy to ask their school pals for a seat in front of the television with a Sky box. We know there are many other reasons, for and against.
For me, the showing of the games abroad is paramount. At the end of the day, our emigrants take preference. We let a whole generation down as a country and I believe Liam O'Neill, the outgoing president of the GAA, when he said the availability of the games to the diaspora was his overriding concern. The GAA have made a huge effort at promoting our games in far-flung places. There is hardly a big city anywhere in the world that doesn't have a GAA team. You're never alone when you're a member of a club.
The thinking time convinced me the decision to award games to Sky for this reason was right, but the process was flawed. There are thousands of GAA people who will disagree and their voices must be heard.
I was told the story of a farm labourer who voted against his boss at a stormy GAA meeting. The vote was in a rural club and it had to do with the lifting of the GAA ban.
The labourer voted for abolition. It was back in the late sixties when the strong farmer still ruled the land. Work was every bit as scarce as it is now and there was very little machinery. Men were 30 and 40 years a slave.
The day after the meeting the labourer was sent scouring dykes so wet and mucky you could meet a crocodile lurking behind a clump of rushes, but the farm worker accepted his punishment without a crib.
That honest man was king for a day and he voted the way he did so his young lad could play soccer or rugby without fear of reprisal.
That night, the boy had to take off his dad's coat. The father was unable to lift his arms above his head. The exhausted man was so cold after his day in the marshy dyke, the big fire couldn't warm him and he shook all over. His story was told to me by the farm worker's son and he was the one who asked me to pose this question.
;D ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on April 12, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 12, 2014, 12:55:16 PM
Billy's take on the Sky deal
New Sky deal should have been discussed by the rank and file
The contentious GAA/Sky deal was not put up for discussion by the rank and file
BILLY KEANE – PUBLISHED 12 APRIL 2014 02:30 AM
I was told the story of a farm labourer who voted against his boss at a stormy GAA meeting. The vote was in a rural club and it had to do with the lifting of the GAA ban.
The labourer voted for abolition. It was back in the late sixties when the strong farmer still ruled the land. Work was every bit as scarce as it is now and there was very little machinery. Men were 30 and 40 years a slave.
The day after the meeting the labourer was sent scouring dykes so wet and mucky you could meet a crocodile lurking behind a clump of rushes, but the farm worker accepted his punishment without a crib.
That honest man was king for a day and he voted the way he did so his young lad could play soccer or rugby without fear of reprisal.
That night, the boy had to take off his dad's coat. The father was unable to lift his arms above his head. The exhausted man was so cold after his day in the marshy dyke, the big fire couldn't warm him and he shook all over. His story was told to me by the farm worker's son and he was the one who asked me to pose this question.
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Mad-dog of the highest order!! Lmao! This is not the greatest piece of GAA journalism ever written, this is just a tribute!!
Does Keane still run a pub? Not many vinters opposed to this.
Where is the national furore about the new rugby "European Champions and representives of countries we can make money from Cup"? Oh that's right - as with alcohol sponsorship the GAA is held to a higher standard than everyone else. Pure RTE driven hypocrisy. Delighted (especially for their "Head of Sport" who only has interest in one sport) they have lost the rugby world cup. Their sports coverage, especially GAA is abject.
The diaspora have never had it so good. Gaelic games on the telly and now Malachy Cush and programmes from their own county.all thanks to Sky TV.
A satellite television station is creating 150 jobs across the island of Ireland, 30 of which will be based in Northern Ireland.
IrishTV, based in County Mayo in the Republic of Ireland, is set to begin broadcasting 24 hours day to audiences in Ireland, the UK, Europe and the US.
Twelve of the posts will be created at its Northern Ireland headquarters in Donaghmore, County Tyrone.
The firm will also recruit three staff in each of Ireland's 32 counties.
As part of the 15m euros (£12.4m) expansion, every county will have its own weekly 30-minute programme called County Matters, to showcase local issues.
'New platform'
IrishTV's operation in Northern Ireland will be managed by the singer and TV presenter Malachi Cush, who is from Donaghmore.
He rose to prominence through the first series of the BBC talent show, Fame Academy, in 2002.
Mr Cush said: "IrishTV is going to provide an exciting new platform on which to profile all that is good about visiting, living and working in Northern Ireland and through the County Matters shows, the six counties of the north will have the opportunity to showcase themselves to a global audience."
The TV company was founded by County Mayo entrepreneurs, Pierce O'Reilly and Mairead Ní Mhaoilchiaráin.
The firm is backed by one of Ireland's richest men, the Mayo-born multi-millionaire, John Griffin.
'Irish diaspora'
Mr Griffin is believed to be the 37th most wealthy person in Ireland and recently sold the UK's largest minicab service, Addison Lee, for 360m euros (£298m).
Mr O'Reilly, who is the TV firm's chief executive said: "Securing the deals both with Sky in the UK and Europe and PBS in the US has enabled us to potentially capture a large portion of the Irish diaspora - people who will now be closer to home than ever.
He added: "Through the launch of this new channel we will be supporting local communities and businesses showcase their produce to both local and international audiences, and, importantly, helping local firms achieve their full export potential."
Thirty-four of the 150 new jobs will be based at IrishTV headquarters in Westport, County Mayo.
Ten people will be employed across three UK offices in Manchester, Liverpool and London and five of the posts will be based in IrishTV's first US base in Cleveland, Ohio.
I've actually seen this channel. It's somewhere on the Sky platform already, maybe a slot on one of the channels in the 200 range. It's sort of bizarre. Kind of like a televisual version of what you'd imagine the Galtee Mór in Cricklewood to have been like. 1980s Ireland. Country and Irish muisic, interviews with lads about local stuff. Fair play to them for risking a venture on it, and expanding. I'd imagine it gives fierce homesickness to emigrants looking at it and remembering a different Ireland though.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 13, 2014, 08:51:55 AM
Where is the national furore about the new rugby "European Champions and representives of countries we can make money from Cup"? Oh that's right - as with alcohol sponsorship the GAA is held to a higher standard than everyone else. Pure RTE driven hypocrisy. Delighted (especially for their "Head of Sport" who only has interest in one sport) they have lost the rugby world cup. Their sports coverage, especially GAA is abject.
Seanie
Which TV station, in your opinion, does sports coverage properly ?
Who'd have thought you could have stretched Nationwide to 24 hours a day.
Foster and Allen TV - can't see the appeal myself.
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 14, 2014, 05:04:01 PM
Foster and Allen TV - can't see the appeal myself.
Poor, poor you.
Joe Brolly and Parkinson had another ding-dong over it on Twitter today. Over Brolly's article in Gaelic Life.
QuoteJoe Brolly: The GAA's forgtten principles
on April 13, 2014 5:15 pm /
Sky GAA
"With our TV rights we're constrained, rightly, because we would not get away with selling the rights to the championship to SKY Sports or somebody like that."
GAA Director General Padraic Duffy, 2013.
"We are delighted to have awarded SKY Sports the rights to show a third of the televised games in the season. This is great news for fans, players and the sport and we look forward to working with the best in the business."
GAA Director General, Padraic Duffy, April 1st, 2014.
Seems you can get away with doing it after all, so long as you do it secretly. The problem now is that there is no point in giving out. As Colm Bradley complained during the week, anyone who protests is a dinosaur or as Donal Óg put it in his column at the weekend, "One of the bellyache brigade crying crocodile tears."
The core of the GAA has always been that it is of the people, by the people, for the people. But as each new line is crossed, it becomes more difficult for us to feel that we are all in it together. I was reared by GAA parents. The message was to be a community person. To give whatever I could and do my best for those around me. I go to around 100 GAA functions, charity matches and the like every year. I have never charged a penny. Sometimes, a brown envelope makes its way onto my passenger seat or coat pocket. When that happens, the envelope is in the post box the following morning. I sent one of those back just a few weeks ago, full of unmarked twenties. God I can take or leave. The GAA? That, I believe in.
After St Brigid's juvenile training the other morning, a group of the coaches stood around discussing the deal. "What" said one, "is the f*** ing point of all this?" I looked around at the hundreds of boys and girls playing tag and kicking ball as they headed for their parents' cars. At the pitches that we raised fortunes to pay for. At the coaches gathering up the balls. For the first time in my life, I wondered the same thing myself.
At the 1997 Congress, then GAA president Jack Boothman stated what was, until now, a cardinal principle of the GAA: " We could never in conscience sell our rights to a media provider not widely available throughout the country that was not national in character. We are not going to sell our people down the river for money." In 2011, The GAA hierarchy informed the Department of Communications that they would not sell media rights to "a foreign channel" as it would be "contrary to the culture and national ethos of the association". So why the f*** are our leaders shaking their hands and praising them to the hilt in April 2014?
No wonder the process was wrapped in secrecy, with no more than a handful of the hierarchy in the loop. At the GAA Congress in february, there wasn't a mention of SKY. Had a democratic vote been taken, there would have been a landslide against the plan. Instead, it was done covertly. When Murdoch's ink was on our pages, the hierarchy announced the deal as a triumph for the diaspora, then ran for cover as soon as questions were asked.
The justifications for the SKY deal, that it increases the audience and encourages global participation, are fallacies. Up until now, UK Gaels could watch all the games via Premier Sports for £9.99 a month. From now on, assuming they want to watch the games owned by SKY, they will have to pay for both Premier and SKY Sports. As Premier Sports Chief Richard Sweeney said on Wednesday " Our coverage was priced at £9.99 a month. Now UK fans are being asked to fork out huge sums to continue watching on TV." A new subscription digital streaming service provided by RTE will in future give worldwide access to all games and highlights. This takes care of the US in particular. In Australia, where the streaming service is also available, Channel 7 will have free to air coverage of all games, slotted into the dead hours in their schedule. As their twitter account put it " To be sure, to be sure, we're showing live Gaelic football this year. Games will be v late night so you'll need coffee. Or Guinness!" Doesn't it make you feel proud?
So we are left with the bizarre situation that in Ireland, only 2/3 of the games are free to air, whereas in Australia, all of them are. This channel 7 deal, to be sure to be sure, is being used as a sort of blackmail against criticism "Do you not want our Australian cousins to see the games for free?" GAA Director of Communications Alan Milton, asked why no free to air service was delivered for the US and UK, said, without any hint of irony, that "a suitable nationwide partner couldn't be found." For reasons that are not apparent, RTE is not, it seems, a suitable, free to air, 32 county, public service broadcaster? Cynics might think that the real reason is that with a public service remit and annual turnover of under $300 million, RTE simply couldn't outbid SKY (annual turnover £6.5 billion).
As for participation, this is increased solely by volunteer coaches, administrators and honest toil. My children and their friends love watching WWE on telly. This has not yet led to an explosion in wrestling in the Belfast area. Commercial Director Peter McKenna waffled on RTE radio on sunday about "globalising" the game, but it was just..... waffle. If he wants to find out how to create a club from nothing he should visit us some weekend & I'll give him the tour.
The reality is that the deal will dramatically reduce audience exposure. UCD's Dr Paul Rouse landmark research paper "The Impact of Pay TV on Sport (2012)" demonstrates how Pay-TV damages the values of community, access and inclusion. The harshest impact is on kids, people in rural areas, farmers, the elderly and women. In 2006, 255,000 people watched Leinster's away quarter final v Toulouse on RTE. SKY bought the 2007 rights. For Leinster's away quarter final v Wasps in 2007, only 47,000 watched on SKY. The number of people in rural areas watching the game dropped from 111,000 (RTE) to 9,000 (SKY). It is a pattern repeated throughout the research. I asked Paul on Wednesday if the GAA/SKY deal was likely to have a similar impact. His answer "For sure Joe. I find it hard to believe. And the justifications don't hold water. I have never heard such rubbish."
This is a purely commercial decision, driven by Peter McKenna, the commercial manager. Peter is not a GAA man or member, but he is very good at his job. It is not part of his remit to strike the balance between business and the ethos of the GAA. That is supposed to be the role of Padraic and Liam and the rest of us. The question for us now is "Where is the line?" Or "Is there a line at all?"
My fear is that as we have seen recently with some of the major Irish charities, once a certain overtly commercial line is crossed, trust begins to evaporate and credibility is lost. We urgently need to decide what we are. What are our priorities? A Code of Practice setting out what we can and cannot do in the pursuit of money would be a good start. Where do ideals end and business begin? The principle that televised games should be free to air for the people of Ireland would have been an obvious one but its a bit late now. We are left with the depressing situation of Irish Ministers and TDs calling for government intervention, just as they did when rugby was sold.
The SKY deal is a potent symbol of a new commercial era, where greed is good and the old values of community & togetherness are quaint and embarrassing. The deal is undoubtedly good business and the money will, as always, filter back to the wider GAA. But it is a breach of trust, casting the GAA community further adrift from the commercial juggernaut that is Croke Park and setting a poor example.
More fundamentally, it undermines the principle at the very heart of the association. The one that until last week was so eloquently expressed by the men now shaking hands with Murdoch.
- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2014/04/joe-brolly-the-gaas-forgtten-principles/#sthash.uyOGYifJ.dpuf
On the surface a persuasive argument. Read deeper into it and the logic starts to become threadbare.
QuoteThe justifications for the SKY deal, that it increases the audience and encourages global participation, are fallacies. Up until now, UK Gaels could watch all the games via Premier Sports for £9.99 a month. From now on, assuming they want to watch the games owned by SKY, they will have to pay for both Premier and SKY Sports. As Premier Sports Chief Richard Sweeney said on Wednesday " Our coverage was priced at £9.99 a month. Now UK fans are being asked to fork out huge sums to continue watching on TV."
So the head of a subscription channel bemoans the fact that another subscription channel has the rights to games it previously put behind a pay wall, with the GAA's permission? Once the Setanta deal was signed in 2006, the GAA was in the subscription TV business. Once you lose your virginity, you're no longer a virgin. To pretend any differently is to be guilty of the same hypocrisy Brolly is slating.
QuoteThe reality is that the deal will dramatically reduce audience exposure. UCD's Dr Paul Rouse landmark research paper "The Impact of Pay TV on Sport (2012)" demonstrates how Pay-TV damages the values of community, access and inclusion. The harshest impact is on kids, people in rural areas, farmers, the elderly and women. In 2006, 255,000 people watched Leinster's away quarter final v Toulouse on RTE. SKY bought the 2007 rights. For Leinster's away quarter final v Wasps in 2007, only 47,000 watched on SKY. The number of people in rural areas watching the game dropped from 111,000 (RTE) to 9,000 (SKY). It is a pattern repeated throughout the research. I asked Paul on Wednesday if the GAA/SKY deal was likely to have a similar impact. His answer "For sure Joe. I find it hard to believe. And the justifications don't hold water. I have never heard such rubbish."
Very disappointing that an academic would go along with Brolly and pick up a pitch fork here. Two very different situations, in that the entire Heineken Cup went to Sky - there is still a huge majority of GAA games available free to air. You could argue that the selling of all the rights to Sky
could have the same effect, should it happen - but even then, rugby v gaa is a very bad example. You could argue that the 47000 watching on subscription actually represented rugby's normal constituency, and the 255,000 figure represented people who watched it only because it was available (I'd hesitate to use the word bandwagon, maybe casual consumption is better). The actual figure of committted GAA fans has always been bigger then rugby, though I'm sure there would be some drop off. Just remember that rugby picked up a whole new constituency through the Heineken cup - but these newer fans are easier to lose.
QuoteWhere do ideals end and business begin? The principle that televised games should be free to air for the people of Ireland would have been an obvious one but its a bit late now. We are left with the depressing situation of Irish Ministers and TDs calling for government intervention, just as they did when rugby was sold.
I don't think it is too late at all. You can be guaranteed that the next Congress will have exactly the kind of debate Joe wants about the character of the organisation. If the deal has only one good aspect, it will have been to encourage that. But this kind of scaremongering is typical of someone associated with RTE. This is a challenge they should be rising to, and they sat at the same table as Sky. Rather than bemoan the loss of our national character, go and show the GAA what they are missing by not having the games on RTE. Sky may have resources, but surely RTE has knowledge, passion and a sense of how important the GAA is to Irish society. And if they don't, they should. If their coverage made it easier for the GAA to make this decision, they owe it to their viewing public to improve.
We should see how this goes, analyse the pros and cons acutely, and then make our decisions with some evidence to refer to. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. There is no gun to our heads. And if it doesn't do what Sky wants it to, they won't be slow in moving on, as anyone who remembers Sky News Ireland will know.
Rte pundit bad mouths deal which may make him change his stupid smarmy ways on TV or risk being left behind. Shock horror. Not so sniggery now joe.
I presume Sky will show more tanned players. The fellas RTE show are mostly as white as a sheet and it clashes with those white shorts with the dodgy stripes. Presumably Sky will be jazzing those up as well.
Mobile tanning salons are on the road as we speak. Brave new world.
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 13, 2014, 08:51:55 AM
Where is the national furore about the new rugby "European Champions and representives of countries we can make money from Cup"? Oh that's right - as with alcohol sponsorship the GAA is held to a higher standard than everyone else. Pure RTE driven hypocrisy. Delighted (especially for their "Head of Sport" who only has interest in one sport) they have lost the rugby world cup. Their sports coverage, especially GAA is abject.
Seanie
Which TV station, in your opinion, does sports coverage properly ?
Properly? That's difficult. Better than RTE? That's pretty much everyone.
The constant rubbishing of our games and players from the current Rte pundits makes me on one hand think that the gaa had to make a move to ensure an integral coverage. The sad thing is every word Joe says is right... but he must shoulder his share of the blame for the verbal trash that the panel have produced for the last decade which became currency among all other media and critics of our games.
Quote from: rrhf on April 14, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
The constant rubbishing of our games and players from the current Rte pundits makes me on one hand think that the gaa had to make a move to ensure an integral coverage. The sad thing is every word Joe says is right... but he must shoulder his share of the blame for the verbal trash that the panel have produced for the last decade which became currency among all other media and critics of our games.
Jesus wept - really?
Quote from: rrhf on April 14, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
The constant rubbishing of our games and players from the current Rte pundits makes me on one hand think that the gaa had to make a move to ensure an integral coverage. The sad thing is every word Joe says is right... but he must shoulder his share of the blame for the verbal trash that the panel have produced for the last decade which became currency among all other media and critics of our games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
You can watch the meeting with Oireachtas Joint Committee now on RTE media player.
BBC, |ITV & Channel 4 were offered but weren't interested in the TV package. C4 and ITV offered nothing while BBC only wanted Ulster games. So Sky were the only TV company interested in a deal according to Paraic Duffy.
Well that's alright then.
GAA president Liam O'Neill said that since the deal was announced two weeks ago, nobody in his parish had said anything negative to him about it. He joked that a minor adjustment to the GAA's Scór competition had got him more flak.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
Don't get my hopes up.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
I agree. Counties have to strive to compete. Most counties realistically dont have a chance of landing Sam. As far as numbers and resources, Dublin is on another planet. Kerry being a franchise? Population wise its not that much bigger than say Louth, and smaller than many other counties. You need the right people in the right jobs (footballing wise) in all counties. Donegal is the polar opposite of Dublin in regards jobs, job prospects and emmigration. But, in 2012 they had all the right people and players willing to stick at home jobless in a pursuit to achieve something great with their county. Fermanagh reaching the All-Ireland semi final not so long ago, thats a bigger achievement imo than Dublin winning say back to back titles (if they win again this year). Those Erne men will go down in history is being on the great 2004 semi-final team. In the years to come, a new batch of footballers like McGrath, Owens, Little etc could come through in Fermanagh and they could finally land an Anglo-Celt. This I'm sure would mean for more to them than Kerry say landing their umpteenth All-Ireland . All counties will have their individual goals, most don't involve courting Samuel Maguire
Maybe O'Shea broke the first rule of GPA club - you don't talk about GPA club. ;)
I'm sure he is just like others in the game at the minute with Sky now involved - 2+2=78.
The reality is more akin to what Kevin Cassidy was tweeting this morning about - county Mgt are calling the shots re fixtures and the clubs/club player is suffering. Seems that some fixtures most have been pulled in Donegal.
The gap between club and county is growing and talk like this from O'Shea will only further that.
O'Shea seems like a bit of an eejit.
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
Maybe O'Shea broke the first rule of GPA club - you don't talk about GPA club. ;)
I'm sure he is just like others in the game at the minute with Sky now involved - 2+2=78.
The reality is more akin to what Kevin Cassidy was tweeting this morning about - county Mgt are calling the shots re fixtures and the clubs/club player is suffering. Seems that some fixtures most have been pulled in Donegal.
The gap between club and county is growing and talk like this from O'Shea will only further that.
Players are very quick to blame the county manager and county board when they feel hard done by, but what do they do to help themselves?
It was the clubs themselves who voted to defer the county championship in Donegal. It was notified in advance that it was going to be discussed and voted on at the meeting. Members of clubs (which includes the club player of course) had every opportunity to make their views known at that time, if they'd bothered.
But they didn't, and thus gave approval to ordain Jim as King of Donegal GAA.
Clubs have a say - at least that's what we've all been told.
Clubs can change this if they organise thesmelves and are not led by the nose.
The Champions League is competitive - anyone who has $500 million can enter a team.
Not a chance of Notts Forest or Steaua Bucharest ever winning it again.
Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2014, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
Maybe O'Shea broke the first rule of GPA club - you don't talk about GPA club. ;)
I'm sure he is just like others in the game at the minute with Sky now involved - 2+2=78.
The reality is more akin to what Kevin Cassidy was tweeting this morning about - county Mgt are calling the shots re fixtures and the clubs/club player is suffering. Seems that some fixtures most have been pulled in Donegal.
The gap between club and county is growing and talk like this from O'Shea will only further that.
Players are very quick to blame the county manager and county board when they feel hard done by, but what do they do to help themselves?
It was the clubs themselves who voted to defer the county championship in Donegal. It was notified in advance that it was going to be discussed and voted on at the meeting. Members of clubs (which includes the club player of course) had every opportunity to make their views known at that time, if they'd bothered.
But they didn't, and thus gave approval to ordain Jim as King of Donegal GAA.
Donegal are one example but on the wider basis, its much more than just one county.
In this case it seems that league matches for the weekend have been pulled, not championship which has already been agreed. Donegal are in a training camp apparently till Friday. The clubs have now been told that the games at weekend involving county players are pulled unless it involves two teams who agree to play it without their county players. This is due to the clubs been told that the county team is training Saturday and Monday.
It would appear that they Jim is the king of Donegal GAA.
I'd agree that clubs will have to take firmer action and start to say no but its often the case that the number of clubs who are affected and have ambitions will be smaller than the clubs affected and these clubs will listen to the normal line of - "Do you not want the county to do well?".
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
An embarrassment to Mayo football you say. Are you serious. The man is chatting to a couple of journalists and giving a few opinions. You might not agree with them but it's hardly makes him an embarrassment to himself and Mayo football. Now if he headed of to the local boozer after winning an all Ireland q/f and busted some lads eye socket in an unprovoked attack, well now that would be embarrassing.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Classless comments. I wonder were you proportionally venomous when Connolly was having his troubles?
You can agree or disagree with Aidan but that's just pathetic.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Classless comments. I wonder were you proportionally venomous when Connolly was having his troubles?
You can agree or disagree with Aidan but that's just pathetic.
On the contrary I've just said what everyone thinks.
His comments are utter classless, without foundation and and a complete disconnect with the association he allegedly represents.
Like filling our your CAO form when you play GAA- you know there isn't a pot of gold here. If you want that play something else and leave us alone. And we will still welcome you back whe you fail at that as well.
If you have different ideas in Roscommon as well. I suggest yourselves and Mayo organise your own professional tournament.Leave the other 30 to play the game as it stands. Maybe take Michael Fennelly as well- you won't be missed
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
You would end up with 5/6 professional franchises.
No money for the grassroots or clubs and a dead entity of a game and association.
GAA would then resemble junior soccer- 15 lads meeting up on a public park getting togged out under a tree.
Everything thats been built since 1884 destroyed just for a few greedy players?
Let them try out for the Leinster rugby team if they want to play professional sport.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Classless comments. I wonder were you proportionally venomous when Connolly was having his troubles?
You can agree or disagree with Aidan but that's just pathetic.
On the contrary I've just said what everyone thinks.
His comments are utter classless, without foundation and and a complete disconnect with the association he allegedly represents.
Like filling our your CAO form when you play GAA- you know there isn't a pot of gold here. If you want that play something else and leave us alone. And we will still welcome you back whe you fail at that as well.
If you have different ideas in Roscommon as well. I suggest yourselves and Mayo organise your own professional tournament.Leave the other 30 to play the game as it stands. Maybe take Michael Fennelly as well- you won't be missed
Stop talking on behalf of people you don't represent, and lose the arrogance.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Classless comments. I wonder were you proportionally venomous when Connolly was having his troubles?
You can agree or disagree with Aidan but that's just pathetic.
On the contrary I've just said what everyone thinks.
His comments are utter classless, without foundation and and a complete disconnect with the association he allegedly represents.
Like filling our your CAO form when you play GAA- you know there isn't a pot of gold here. If you want that play something else and leave us alone. And we will still welcome you back whe you fail at that as well.
If you have different ideas in Roscommon as well. I suggest yourselves and Mayo organise your own professional tournament.Leave the other 30 to play the game as it stands. Maybe take Michael Fennelly as well- you won't be missed
Stop talking on behalf of people you don't represent, and lose the arrogance.
Stop defending the misguided comments just because he wears your county colours.
A sign of things to come.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Lw23aHSNI
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
That's the school of thought of the "End of the GAA as we know it" Brigade.
Frst it was the Ban, then the British Security forces/PSNI, then Croke Park having soccer /rubby, now it's the Sky showing 20 matches.
Paranoid nonsense as usual.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
That's the school of thought of the "End of the GAA as we know it" Brigade.
Frst it was the Ban, then the British Security forces/PSNI, then Croke Park having soccer /rubby, now it's the Sky showing 20 matches.
Paranoid nonsense as usual.
Funny how you quote cleaning up the game.
The GAA wants to go Global yet players in Donegal can't play a club game.
The GAA hierachy couldn't run a bath.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
That's the school of thought of the "End of the GAA as we know it" Brigade.
Frst it was the Ban, then the British Security forces/PSNI, then Croke Park having soccer /rubby, now it's the Sky showing 20 matches.
Paranoid nonsense as usual.
Funny how you quote cleaning up the game.
The GAA wants to go Global yet players in Donegal can't play a club game.
The GAA hierachy couldn't run a bath.
The oul hierarchy haven't done too bad at all over the last 130 years ;)
The Donegal story is a decision of the Co Board in that County.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
That's the school of thought of the "End of the GAA as we know it" Brigade.
Frst it was the Ban, then the British Security forces/PSNI, then Croke Park having soccer /rubby, now it's the Sky showing 20 matches.
Paranoid nonsense as usual.
Funny how you quote cleaning up the game.
The GAA wants to go Global yet players in Donegal can't play a club game.
The GAA hierachy couldn't run a bath.
The oul hierarchy haven't done too bad at all over the last 130 years ;)
The Donegal story is a decision of the Co Board in that County.
And as I'm always keen to remind people, that as a county board is a a representation of the clubs, this makes it a decision by the clubs.
If the clubs genuinely want to restore the balance in Donegal, it'll be easily enough done. But I'd imagine that after a couple of dry seasons for the county team, panic buttons would be pressed and the balance would swing the other way again.
----
Some absolutely mad stuff above about Sky being able to turn the game professional within 3 years.
People need to take a step back and realise that the GPA is only an equivalent to football's PFA. They might have an opinion, and might even have a very loud voice. But they don't physically own or control a single piece of the GAA infrastructure. They can't break away as they'd have no place to go. Professionalism needs teams and fanbases, and rather importantly it needs stadiums.
Sky are utterly brilliant at marketing a product. But creating a product from scratch? Not possible.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Classless comments. I wonder were you proportionally venomous when Connolly was having his troubles?
You can agree or disagree with Aidan but that's just pathetic.
On the contrary I've just said what everyone thinks.
His comments are utter classless, without foundation and and a complete disconnect with the association he allegedly represents.
Like filling our your CAO form when you play GAA- you know there isn't a pot of gold here. If you want that play something else and leave us alone. And we will still welcome you back whe you fail at that as well.
If you have different ideas in Roscommon as well. I suggest yourselves and Mayo organise your own professional tournament.Leave the other 30 to play the game as it stands. Maybe take Michael Fennelly as well- you won't be missed
Stop talking on behalf of people you don't represent, and lose the arrogance.
Stop defending the misguided comments just because he wears your county colours.
Where did I defend (or condemn) O'Shea's comments?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Really?
Those comments have been made by myself and many posters on this site in response to a debate on what would happen if the game went more professional. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to play the man all the time.
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-aidan-o-shea-suggests-a-levelling-of-the-playing-field-1.1763246
"{After the GAA's new television deal went public, O'Shea Tweeted the obvious benefits of Gaelic games being glammed up by Sky.
He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players.
"Can't have a professional organisation and amateur status," said Kennelly from his AFL perch.
O'Shea agreed, going a step further yesterday by envisaging a time when smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate to compete with "franchise" counties like Dublin and Kerry.
All under the banner of professionalism. "It will have to. How is it fair that you have some teams that can't compete? Eventually you can join up a couple of teams and then you have a more competitive environment.
"At the moment you have a few teams that are pissing into the wind every time they go out on the pitch. In my position as a player I don't like to be saying that about other teams but that's the reality in the sport at the moment."
They can't even keep players in work in many of the football counties.
Ireland isn't stable enough economically to start playing players.
And who cares about permanent competitiveness ? Some day Waterford will win the hurling.
And it will be a great day.
He's never been the most intelligent footballer and now it's obvious why not
An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments to be honest.
Really?
Those comments have been made by myself and many posters on this site in response to a debate on what would happen if the game went more professional. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to play the man all the time.
I think his comments are systematic of an attitude that exists among a certain amount of county footballers or something they view they are entitled to.
Nobody forces any of these guys to play county football.Anytime they aren't happy with their terms and conditions they can walk away at any point.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 18, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Theres a school of thought that Sky could write a deal this time to see levels of interest on this new product. Depending on levels of interest they can write two big cheques three years down the line money beyond levels yet put into the gaa. Cheques go direct to GPA and GAA with the GPA becoming a very wealthy agency organisation and ultimately the players sharing in the spoils contracted to this group.
Pay for play is only 3 years away if sky want it to happen. Gaelic football has incredible potential at home and abroad on tv not necessarily the gaa as an amateur organisation. Try to think for one minute how that could possibly be stopped now if sky wanted it to happen and wanted to control their new product. Perhaps the cleaning up of the games is also important here.
County could be going pro and we cant do a thing about it.
That's the school of thought of the "End of the GAA as we know it" Brigade.
Frst it was the Ban, then the British Security forces/PSNI, then Croke Park having soccer /rubby, now it's the Sky showing 20 matches.
Paranoid nonsense as usual.
Funny how you quote cleaning up the game.
The GAA wants to go Global yet players in Donegal can't play a club game.
The GAA hierachy couldn't run a bath.
The oul hierarchy haven't done too bad at all over the last 130 years ;)
The Donegal story is a decision of the Co Board in that County.
And as I'm always keen to remind people, that as a county board is a a representation of the clubs, this makes it a decision by the clubs.
If the clubs genuinely want to restore the balance in Donegal, it'll be easily enough done. But I'd imagine that after a couple of dry seasons for the county team, panic buttons would be pressed and the balance would swing the other way again.
----
Some absolutely mad stuff above about Sky being able to turn the game professional within 3 years.
People need to take a step back and realise that the GPA is only an equivalent to football's PFA. They might have an opinion, and might even have a very loud voice. But they don't physically own or control a single piece of the GAA infrastructure. They can't break away as they'd have no place to go. Professionalism needs teams and fanbases, and rather importantly it needs stadiums.
Sky are utterly brilliant at marketing a product. But creating a product from scratch? Not possible.
I don't disagree with any of that but its now easier to view GAA matches abroad then at home.
PR its been a disaster by the GAA hierachy- it appears that the issues at home aren't as pressing as they are abroad.
It's easier in Australia, if you discount getting up at the crack of dawn to view games, it isn't easier in Britain, America or Europe, the rest of the world basically.
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 05:02:39 PM
It's easier in Australia, if you discount getting up at the crack of dawn to view games, it isn't easier in Britain, America or Europe, the rest of the world basically.
Oh c'mon. It's called DVR. Hell, it was called VHS 30 years ago. If time is a problem, timeshift.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 05:02:39 PM
It's easier in Australia, if you discount getting up at the crack of dawn to view games, it isn't easier in Britain, America or Europe, the rest of the world basically.
. If time is a problem, [b]timeshift.
????
Warp 7? Or just warped?? ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 05:02:39 PM
It's easier in Australia, if you discount getting up at the crack of dawn to view games, it isn't easier in Britain, America or Europe, the rest of the world basically.
. If time is a problem, [b]timeshift.
????
Warp 7? Or just warped?? ::)
QuoteTime shifting is the recording of programming to a storage medium to be viewed or listened to at a time more convenient to the consumer. Typically, this refers to TV programming but can also refer to radio shows via podcasts.
In recent years, the advent of the digital video recorder (DVR) has made time shifting easier, by using an electronic program guide (EPG) and recording shows onto a hard disk. Some DVRs have other possible time shifting methods, such as being able to start watching the recorded show from the beginning even if the recording is not yet complete. In the past, time shifting was done with a video cassette recorder (VCR) and its timer function, in which the VCR tunes into the appropriate station and records the show onto video tape.
Freesat+, Freeview+, Sky+, V+, TiVo, YouView and BT Vision services in Ireland and the UK allow one to timeshift. TiVo, DirecTV, and other US cable or satellite subscription services offer PVR set-top boxes, often for an additional monthly fee. DStv, based in South Africa, offers PVR set-top boxes to countries across Africa which allow time shifting of live and recorded television.
In cable television broadcasting, time shifting may also refer to the availability of network affiliates from different time zones, serving a similar function of making television programs available at multiple times throughout the day.
Certain broadcasters transmit timeshifted versions of their channels, usually one hour in the future, to enable those without recording abilities to resolve conflicts and those with recording abilities more flexibility in scheduling conflicting recordings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_shifting
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
I think his comments are systematic of an attitude that exists among a certain amount of county footballers or something they view they are entitled to.
Nobody forces any of these guys to play county football.Anytime they aren't happy with their terms and conditions they can walk away at any point.
Which comment in particular is a problem for you?
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
I think his comments are systematic of an attitude that exists among a certain amount of county footballers or something they view they are entitled to.
Nobody forces any of these guys to play county football.Anytime they aren't happy with their terms and conditions they can walk away at any point.
Which comment in particular is a problem for you?
Specifically?
- saying that the county structure has to change. that's not his decision to make or judge on behalf of the organisation.
- That counties want to amalgamate. I haven't read anything anywhere that suggests that.
- Same old chestnut players are only ones who don't get paid on match- day. News flash Aidan players before you didn't get paid either.
Badly thought out and uninformative in my opinion.
Locality and the county boundaries are the bedrock the association is built on.
Once that changes then everything does.
Although I don't agree with his opinion (vehemently) surely he is entitled to give it? AFAIK his original comments were on his Twitter feed (I'll stand to be corrected on this), and if that is the case, then you don't have to follow him. And if the newspapers want to pick up on it, that's their editorial decision to print and the consumer's decision to buy it and read it.
I don't think playing county gives his opinions more weight than the ordinary member - but it surely doesn't give them less?
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 18, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Although I don't agree with his opinion (vehemently) surely he is entitled to give it? AFAIK his original comments were on his Twitter feed (I'll stand to be corrected on this), and if that is the case, then you don't have to follow him. And if the newspapers want to pick up on it, that's their editorial decision to print and the consumer's decision to buy it and read it.
I don't think playing county gives his opinions more weight than the ordinary member - but it surely doesn't give them less?
He's perfectly entitled to his opinions- he doesn't need to pass them off as being facts when I've read nothing to suggest that players want the county boundaries to change or that its inevitable that the Association is going down this bloody franchise model that certain county players seem to be hankering after.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
I don't disagree with any of that but its now easier to view GAA matches abroad then at home.
Only in Australia.
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PR its been a disaster by the GAA hierachy- it appears that the issues at home aren't as pressing as they are abroad.
There are pressing issues in Ireland, there are pressing issues outside of Ireland. Previously the problems outside of Ireland weren't being addressed, now they are. Paraic Duffy has repeatedly made the point about the need for better coverage abroad, but it's hardly his fault if the Irish media consistently ignores this.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 06:02:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
I think his comments are systematic of an attitude that exists among a certain amount of county footballers or something they view they are entitled to.
Nobody forces any of these guys to play county football.Anytime they aren't happy with their terms and conditions they can walk away at any point.
Which comment in particular is a problem for you?
Specifically?
- saying that the county structure has to change. that's not his decision to make or judge on behalf of the organisation.
- That counties want to amalgamate. I haven't read anything anywhere that suggests that.
- Same old chestnut players are only ones who don't get paid on match- day. News flash Aidan players before you didn't get paid either.
Badly thought out and uninformative in my opinion.
Locality and the county boundaries are the bedrock the association is built on.
Once that changes then everything does.
He didn't say
'that the county structure has to change'. He said he envisaged a time where smaller counties will be forced to amalgamate'. Do you understand the meaning of the word 'envisage'?
He didn't say
'That counties want to amalgamate'. See above.
He didn't say
'Same old chestnut players are only ones who don't get paid on match- day.' This is what the article says: "He also noted that association coffers will swell with little filtering to the most important contributors: the players."
He was mainly talking about competitiveness of counties and looking into the future. Your faux outrage in declaring him
'An embarrassement to himself and to Mayo football after those comments' is ridiculous.
Can anyone tell me, if any American stations are partnered/work with Sky??
Going to be in the states for a few months, and i see Sky are showing Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan in the Ulster SFC.
Be great if I could watch it somewhere proper, than having to stream it on the laptop
Cheers
Niall Quinn now tipped to get the presenters role on this programme. Brolly will have a field day!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/skyrsquos-the-limit-for-quinn-267743.html
Ach sure, he's a former Dublin minor and no stranger to Thurles for the big hurling days with his Enfer jersey on him, not sure if hes got the Skoda one yet!
Not surprised. Niall has a grá for the games, and would be a good 'face' for the English public to recognise. I expect Seamus Coleman and Shane Long to make a guest appearance or two as well.
Niall played for Dublin minor hurlers remember, and was playing junior football in Kildare recently enough too.
If Quinn is the host of the show I'd have no problem with it, as long as the analysis and commentators themselves are informed and well versed in the GAA.
True. I'd see Quinn as more the face of it, the nice introduction to the game, and maybe someone that can explain the passion to the UK masses in terms they can understand. I still hoped Rachel Wyse would do it though! :)
Galvin perhaps but jeez us nordies can barely understand him nevermind those on the "mainland"!
Paul Galvin? He'd be interesting, but he wouldn't exactly be a 'name' in the UK. I think Dara O'Cinneide would be good, as he is always fairly positive in his analysis. Maybe Jarlath Burns as well?
Like O'Cinneide myself. Always thought Canavan was fairly positive too.
It'll be interesting to see if Sky go OTT in their praise of the games in the way they could make a drab 0-0 soccer match appear interesting.
I've heard Galvin in interviews before and he would put you to sleep. He might look and act interesting but anytime I've heard him in interview it's a different story.
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
Ach sure, he's a former Dublin minor and no stranger to Thurles for the big hurling days with his Enfer jersey on him, not sure if hes got the Skoda one yet!
More importantly, he's played junior C football in Kildare.
Surely Grainne or Sile Seioga would be worth looking at.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 07, 2014, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
Ach sure, he's a former Dublin minor and no stranger to Thurles for the big hurling days with his Enfer jersey on him, not sure if hes got the Skoda one yet!
More importantly, he's played junior C football in Kildare.
I'll bet he ranks playing Kildare Junior C football as his finest sporting achievement.
He was managing Eadestown's B team last year.
Quinn will be excellent. Good choice by Sky. Anyone know any others. Is it true that Dooher might be in the mix. Ciaran Whelan also has a chance here and Galvin. I felt TG4 have already raised the bar on RTE during the league final, they had the big graphics package etc going.
Quote from: rrhf on May 07, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
Quinn will be excellent. Good choice by Sky. Anyone know any others. Is it true that Dooher might be in the mix. Ciaran Whelan also has a chance here and Galvin. I felt TG4 have already raised the bar on RTE during the league final, they had the big graphics package etc going.
Presenting is slanted towards style not substance and Quinn does look an excellent choice. In fact, the job is made for a guy like him.
He ticks a lot of boxes, he's recognisable all over Sky land, not just for the Irish community and Irish descendants. And he's also a well respected articulate character. Offhand, I can't think of a better catch for
SKY GAA.Even though I'm inclined against this Sky incursion capturing the TV3 package, I want them to do a good job with the whole thing, camerawork, sound, commentary, presentation and punditry. RTE are weak in the sound department. How often do the cameras span out over Hill 16 after the Dubs score with a zillion Dubs in full voice, but the microphones pick up but a murmur. And it's not just in Croke Park, but in most every game televised, there are just not enough microphones to pick up the crowd noise as well as primitive sound editing.
Quote from: rrhf on May 07, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
Surely Grainne or Sile Seioga would be worth looking at.
All day, but what's that got to do with GAA? ;D
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=215767
Quote from: rrhf on May 07, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
Quinn will be excellent. Good choice by Sky. Anyone know any others. Is it true that Dooher might be in the mix. Ciaran Whelan also has a chance here and Galvin. I felt TG4 have already raised the bar on RTE during the league final, they had the big graphics package etc going.
About the graphics package, has anyone seen "Shot Height" come up. Very important to give us that statistic alright
Who would have the highest kick of a ball in the country?
Probably the same fella who'd have the longest kick, or does physics come into it more.
Ex president Sean Kelly having his say.
The first mow of grass and the ball is thrown in ahead of another long summer. This year's championship will be successful for some and a let-down for others, but one thing on many people's minds is the new TV deal.
Will it lead to a new era for the GAA? Is it a step too far? What about our diaspora and the broader promotion of Gaelic games internationally? Also, with the debt on Croke Park finally paid off and the new tv revenues, is it time to look at bringing more of the big games to provincial venues?
I had reservations about the Sky deal from the moment I heard about it. The arguments for and against have been well vented at this stage. However, I've detected a lot of dissatisfaction with it. It is very unfair to elderly people who have played, attended and watched games all their lives and are not now able to attend games, as well as well as young families who can't afford Sky subscriptions. Where there are rumblings of discontent now, imagine the reaction if a glamour quarter-final such as Kerry v Dublin was only available on Sky.
The principle of the deal should have been discussed at Congress and in future any similar radical change in the nature of broadcasting should be subject to approval from Congress. I fully understand Croke Park's point when they state that commercially sensitive negotiations, by their nature, cannot be debated in public. But the principle of a pay wall is a big policy shift and a radical, unprecedented move which should have been subject to approval by the GAA's highest decision-making body, ie, Congress.
As honorary president of Belgium GAA, details of the new online streaming service were eagerly awaited on the continent, as I'm sure they were among the diaspora the world over. The GAAGo service will offer 45 games live online, with a season pass costing €110 or €10 per game.
This is a slap in the face for our wild geese in Europe. I am not sure if gaels at home are aware of the costs and effort involved in playing our games abroad. Pitch hire in big cities, erecting and taking down goalposts, long journeys of up to 12 hours to play in monthly tournaments, where flight, accommodation and tournament costs are all met out of the pocket by the players themselves. There is no deeply-rooted community structure to provide fundraising so the costs of playing our games runs to the thousands of euro per annum. These people are our missionaries spreading the creed of Gaelic Games on the continent. The least they should get in return is free access to our games online.
As one long-serving dual player in Europe explained to me: "Wherever we go, we are asked by locals, whether Galicians or Bretons etc, where can they watch the big games live. It would be a massive game-changer to offer live streaming free to air online, not just for us, but also to give non-Irish Europeans, who are the future of the games on the Continent, the right to see the games free to air," he explained.
Whereas the cost associated with the pilgrimage to the nearest Irish pub to watch the match will now be avoided, nevertheless the pay-per-view element is disappointing and a letdown to our emigrant community. Gaelic Games are now being shown free to air and live on Australian Channel 7, leading to a perception that some emigrants are more equal than others. What's the alternative? RTÉ and the GAA should offer live streaming of matches RTÉ have the rights to free of charge abroad, as is currently the case on RTÉ Player in Ireland.
The benefits would be twofold. Firstly, it would be a gesture of solidarity and inclusiveness to our diaspora. They would be able to watch their games from the comfort of their homes from far flung places like Qatar to Cape Town to Ulan Bator where there is not always an Irish pub to show the games.
Secondly, it would be a powerful promotional tool for new audiences in places like Brittany and Galicia where our games are spreading like wildfire.
Whereas that question is partially answered by GAAGo now, it would be even better if they were able to access them free. The GAA would be taking a leaf out of the book of the English Premier League. It's firmly behind a pay wall at home, but available free to air in places like China where marketing people recognise the power of offering the core product for free to drive revenues in shirt sales.
With the way the online advertising sector is developing, revenue streams could be easily generated to grow an increasing viewership and popularity of our games abroad.
Whereas the jury is still out on GAAGo, this will be debated on GAA pitches across Europe, North America and Asia in the coming months as our diaspora and the increasing number of people with no connection to Ireland gather to play Gaelic Games.
At home, with the unprecedented number of large concerts being hosted in Croke Park this summer, it is my hope the GAA will bring more of the big games to the provincial venues. This could be a policy decision in future, with matches such as All-Ireland SFC quarter-finals being given a 'host venue' early in the year so supporters could plan ahead.
Venues such as the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick or Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney have proven their attraction for big games in the past and could offer great atmosphere and excitement if they were slated early in the year to host a big game. It would also bring much-needed economic activity away from Dublin which is on the bright side of a two-speed economic recovery.
While we are talking about Dublin, maybe it is time to bring the Dubs out of their fortress on tour around the country a bit more. Attendances at their matches have slipped over the past number of years. I'm sure Wexford or Laois would fancy their chances of an ambush in Wexford or Portlaoise!
We are definitely entering a new era with the Sky deal and the developments online. The jury is still out, but the spectre of pay for play will rear its head again should Sky seek to increase coverage and investment in our games.
We need to be very careful of this development, as a new generation of players will grow up accustomed to seeing the same razzmatazz and presentation of our games they have become used to with the Premier League. As gaels, we have to hope the deal is a positive development, but it is reasonable to have fears that pay-per-view may open up a Pandora's box.
- Sean Kelly was president of the GAA from 2003-2006
QuoteBut the principle of a pay wall is a big policy shift
Eh Sean? I guess you don't watch many national league games.
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYxO8EJ1JO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYxO8EJ1JO8)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
Ah I'd say there's no charge into the pubs AZ but not many pubs would be showing it I'd say so it might be a decent trek for some into see it. Could the GAA and RTE do it for free?
Quote from: Zulu on May 23, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
Ah I'd say there's no charge into the pubs AZ but not many pubs would be showing it I'd say so it might be a decent trek for some into see it. Could the GAA and RTE do it for free?
Really no charge? It was $20 per game in the states in 1997-2001 when I was there.
No charge in Britain and I've never heard anyone say there's a charge in bars in Europe. I think American bars had to pay a lot to be allowed show them but that's not the case in Europe afaik.
Used to pay that myself in 96/97 but I've never been charged in any bar in Europe to watch a game - probably easier to use dodgy boxes, or IR sky cards in European boxes.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 23, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
Ah I'd say there's no charge into the pubs AZ but not many pubs would be showing it I'd say so it might be a decent trek for some into see it. Could the GAA and RTE do it for free?
Really no charge? It was $20 per game in the states in 1997-2001 when I was there.
Typically $20 per day (could be two games) anytime I watched in the States around the same time.
Quote from: muppet on May 23, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 23, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
Ah I'd say there's no charge into the pubs AZ but not many pubs would be showing it I'd say so it might be a decent trek for some into see it. Could the GAA and RTE do it for free?
Really no charge? It was $20 per game in the states in 1997-2001 when I was there.
Typically $20 per day (could be two games) anytime I watched in the States around the same time.
Still is. All-Ireland club finals would have the same charge
Hopefully Sky can bring us previews like this?
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/5646196/Wright-Full-Forward.html
After a good start last week the RTE stream has been inconsistent this week and it's now frozen entirely. If the GAA Go streaming service is not a lot better then there'll be a lot of very unhappy people.
It's back again now, but making funny noises.
That's just Marty.
Quote from: Hardy on May 25, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
It's back again now, but making funny noises.
If I'd paid for this quality of stream I'd be very annoyed. They need to sort this out if they want people to pay.
Gone again, really poor stuff from RTE.
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Oh yeah, and Des Cahill should be sacked for that excruciating attempt at humour where he quoted Dara O'Briain as saying that "London may have lost to Galway in football, but they'll beat them at cricket". FFS.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 23, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Sean Kelly is a self serving man in my opinion. He is a politician and will play to whatever angle he feels will give him the most votes. I note he says the lads in Belgium received a slap in the face because they have to pay €110 for a season of GAAGo. Is he of the opinion that they preferred to pay €20 a game, or whatever the Irish pubs in Brussels charge to watch the games, because I'm sure it wasn't free. They may want it free, of course they do, but €110 euro to see all the games live is not a bad deal in my view.
Ah I'd say there's no charge into the pubs AZ but not many pubs would be showing it I'd say so it might be a decent trek for some into see it. Could the GAA and RTE do it for free?
Really no charge? It was $20 per game in the states in 1997-2001 when I was there.
I've watched GAA matches in pubs in England, Spain, Portugal and Holland and never had to pay in, so its highly unlikely pubs in Belgium would charge.
Quote from: Sidney on May 25, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Yeah, there would have been horrendous moaning if the Tyrone-Down replay had been on Sky about all the people who couldnt get to see it!
Quote from: Sidney on May 25, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Oh yeah, and Des Cahill should be sacked for that excruciating attempt at humour where he quoted Dara O'Briain as saying that "London may have lost to Galway in football, but they'll beat them at cricket". FFS.
Never mind more matches on TV/SKY/RTE, only 12,000 at the Cork V Waterford match yesterday. Why is this the case? Have we turned into a nation of armchair fans now or because its May no one is really bothered or maybe even know that the game is on?
Quote from: Bingo on May 26, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: Sidney on May 25, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Oh yeah, and Des Cahill should be sacked for that excruciating attempt at humour where he quoted Dara O'Briain as saying that "London may have lost to Galway in football, but they'll beat them at cricket". FFS.
Never mind more matches on TV/SKY/RTE, only 12,000 at the Cork V Waterford match yesterday. Why is this the case? Have we turned into a nation of armchair fans now or because its May no one is really bothered or maybe even know that the game is on?
I'm not sure that early round games ever really got huge crowds to be honest. I remember Offaly playing leinster finals with less than 15,000 at it. I think the reason people associate huge crowds with championship matches is because a) They were held in smaller grounds, and a crowd of 12,000 is like a multitude, and b) We remember when we were small, and even medium crowds seem huge.
I think we went through a spate of big crowds in Ulster, but even recently I've been at several games in Munster and Leinster with crowds of low to mid teens.
Also, Waterford would not have been very hopeful yesterday, so their bandwagon won't have revved up, and Cork can be hit or miss, although usually better for their hurlers. I'd bet there'll be 20k plus at the replay.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 26, 2014, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: Bingo on May 26, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: Sidney on May 25, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Oh yeah, and Des Cahill should be sacked for that excruciating attempt at humour where he quoted Dara O'Briain as saying that "London may have lost to Galway in football, but they'll beat them at cricket". FFS.
Never mind more matches on TV/SKY/RTE, only 12,000 at the Cork V Waterford match yesterday. Why is this the case? Have we turned into a nation of armchair fans now or because its May no one is really bothered or maybe even know that the game is on?
I'm not sure that early round games ever really got huge crowds to be honest. I remember Offaly playing leinster finals with less than 15,000 at it. I think the reason people associate huge crowds with championship matches is because a) They were held in smaller grounds, and a crowd of 12,000 is like a multitude, and b) We remember when we were small, and even medium crowds seem huge.
I think we went through a spate of big crowds in Ulster, but even recently I've been at several games in Munster and Leinster with crowds of low to mid teens.
Also, Waterford would not have been very hopeful yesterday, so their bandwagon won't have revved up, and Cork can be hit or miss, although usually better for their hurlers. I'd bet there'll be 20k plus at the replay.
Something like 8,000 people attended both the 1980 Leinster hurling final between Offaly and Kilkenny and the 1985 All-Ireland hurling semi-final between Galway and Cork.
Crowds for early round provincial matches were always poor in my memory up to the mid-90s when the advent of live TV brought about a notable upturn.
The back door and the recession are obviously the main factors in the decline of crowds.
I hear the head honcho at Sky Sports called Brian Whelehan after today's Munster semi-final and asked him if he could guarantee a match of similar quality for their first live broadcast.
This black card debate shows up everything that is wrong with rtes coverage. Brutal stuff.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 26, 2014, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: Bingo on May 26, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: Sidney on May 25, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Down and Tyrone draw - replay not on television. No live stream. Not even a TV commentator in Newry.
Cork and Waterford draw - replay not on television.
Where are the outcries from those who were moaning about not being able to see their county on television as a result of the Sky deal?
Sky weren't given enough matches.
Oh yeah, and Des Cahill should be sacked for that excruciating attempt at humour where he quoted Dara O'Briain as saying that "London may have lost to Galway in football, but they'll beat them at cricket". FFS.
Never mind more matches on TV/SKY/RTE, only 12,000 at the Cork V Waterford match yesterday. Why is this the case? Have we turned into a nation of armchair fans now or because its May no one is really bothered or maybe even know that the game is on?
I'm not sure that early round games ever really got huge crowds to be honest. I remember Offaly playing leinster finals with less than 15,000 at it. I think the reason people associate huge crowds with championship matches is because a) They were held in smaller grounds, and a crowd of 12,000 is like a multitude, and b) We remember when we were small, and even medium crowds seem huge.
I think we went through a spate of big crowds in Ulster, but even recently I've been at several games in Munster and Leinster with crowds of low to mid teens.
Also, Waterford would not have been very hopeful yesterday, so their bandwagon won't have revved up, and Cork can be hit or miss, although usually better for their hurlers. I'd bet there'll be 20k plus at the replay.
Matches sold out a lot at the very height of the boom. I seem to remember every damn game being all-ticket once, and now it's pretty much just the All-Irelands and football games against Dublin after the end of July. It was almost considered shameful that you wouldn't go to games ten years ago, for what was twenty-five Euro anyway, when it was never so cheap to buy money?
My own guess for the current low attendances (compared to ten years ago; as people have been saying, a generation ago saw very low attendances, even for All-Ireland semi-finals) is twofold. Firstly, the recession. Going to a match counts as extra spend, not least when you can watch it live on the telly. But also, in the particular case of Cork v Waterford, the back-door system in hurling is much more unfair to underdogs than it is in football.
Above any county, I think the Waterford hurlers of the 2000s got hosed the most by the back door. They might have got past Cork once, but not twice, and then you had Kilkenny at the very height of their powers too. If Déise hearts are now too broken to go to games like they used to, I can see how that could have happened.
Just wondering lads, has anyone seen any more on Sky Sports News about the GAA? There was a fairly upbeat report on the Down-Tyrone draw, (The video is on http://www1.skysports.com/gaa/ ) but I've seen nothing else yet, and there's no other games there. Surely the Cork Waterford and Limerick Tipp hurling matches deserved a bit of a mention, without even considering all the other games we've had. Getting a bit worried about the lack of oomph.
Agree, considering their first live game is this Saturday there doesn't seem to be any real effort to promote the fact they've even got it. Maybe that was part of the deal Croke Park insisted on when giving them the rights - "Listen here lads, ye can show a few matches but none of yer flash Harry jiggery pokery nonsense now, the teams and the match officials know when and where it's on and that's enough"
Or maybe they are afraid too many people will tune in for Offaly v Kilkenny and never come back :)
They'll have to run a message along the bottom for newcomers watching Offaly for the first time.
'Players may appear wider than normal, do not adjust your aspect ratio.'
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2014, 03:53:27 PM
They'll have to run a message along the bottom for newcomers watching Offaly for the first time.
'Players may appear wider than normal, do not adjust your aspect ratio.'
..and another saying the half full pint on the screen is NOT drinkable.
Should be a cracker in the Connacht football championship this weekend.
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Have to say, as someone who supported the Sky deal, their coverage (or lack of) has been pretty appalling so far. For any sports broadcaster to get simple things like what competition and sport Kilkenny & Offaly are competing in is shocking, but for one the size of Sky smacks of a broadcasting corporation who don't give a flying.
I'm not sure what I expected from them but I expected a level of professionalism at least.
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Have to say, as someone who supported the Sky deal, their coverage (or lack of) has been pretty appalling so far. For any sports broadcaster to get simple things like what competition and sport Kilkenny & Offaly are competing in is shocking, but for one the size of Sky smacks of a broadcasting corporation who don't give a flying.
I'm not sure what I expected from them but I expected a level of professionalism at least.
They did a nice ad sure.
Quote from: Zulu on June 04, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
Have to say, as someone who supported the Sky deal, their coverage (or lack of) has been pretty appalling so far. For any sports broadcaster to get simple things like what competition and sport Kilkenny & Offaly are competing in is shocking, but for one the size of Sky smacks of a broadcasting corporation who don't give a flying.
I'm not sure what I expected from them but I expected a level of professionalism at least.
Same as that. I thought they'd be leading in with 'teasers' on their news channel, like the Down Tyrone one. That was a perfect little teaser for the games. Then nothing. Nothing from two exciting hurling matches, despite a hurling game being their first one live. Nothing from any of the provincial football championships. Very disappointing unless they really raise their game when they start showing them.
I'm like your good selves, I was very excited when I heard Sky would be getting involved in GAA coverage. Sky have been outstanding, and that's not a word I use lightly, in covering whatever sport they get behind. They rejuvenated football beyond belief, turned the unsexiest sport of them all (darts) into absolute theatre, their coverage of cricket, golf, rugby, ANYTHING, is top notch.
While we can only really judge them on their actual broadcasts, I'm building myself for a bit of a fall right now. First of all, Rachel Wyse aside I don't think their team is anything special (and I mention Rachel Wyse as a lady that I think has genuine ability) and while this Kilkenny-Offaly Connacht football thing is small, it is nonetheless a very embarrassing mistake. Kilkenny couldn't kick a football out of their f**king way!
Here's hoping I'm wrong.
At least they spelt Connacht right.
They probably can't understand how, nearly 5 weeks into the Connacht Championship, we have played a grand total of three matches.
A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
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A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
A lot better. That's exactly the kind of enthusiasm you expect from Sky, selling the game. As regard the Black card, he spoke eloquently. I've always liked the guy, it's easy to criticise somebody just because they weren't GAA players themselves, but give him a chance. On that evidence, he won't be half bad.
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A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
A lot better. That's exactly the kind of enthusiasm you expect from Sky, selling the game. As regard the Black card, he spoke eloquently. I've always liked the guy, it's easy to criticise somebody just because they weren't GAA players themselves, but give him a chance. On that evidence, he won't be half bad.
Yes it is better, but you you really have to jump straight into the controversy du jour before you have even broadcast a match?
Show some epic footage of the two teams, historical rivalry or whatever.
Fair play - Carney did a decent job there.
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A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
A lot better. That's exactly the kind of enthusiasm you expect from Sky, selling the game. As regard the Black card, he spoke eloquently. I've always liked the guy, it's easy to criticise somebody just because they weren't GAA players themselves, but give him a chance. On that evidence, he won't be half bad.
Yes it is better, but you you really have to jump straight into the controversy du jour before you have even broadcast a match?
Show some epic footage of the two teams, historical rivalry or whatever.
They could have done that with the hurling, considering that it is a hurling match that they're broadcasting on Saturday, but you're nit-picking a bit. Sky have no reputation for being negative about the sports they broadcast. If anything, Carney was being positive in relation to the black card and its impact. Whether you like it or not, the black card is the big issue in GAA right now. You're not not going to talk about it.
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A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
A lot better. That's exactly the kind of enthusiasm you expect from Sky, selling the game. As regard the Black card, he spoke eloquently. I've always liked the guy, it's easy to criticise somebody just because they weren't GAA players themselves, but give him a chance. On that evidence, he won't be half bad.
Yes it is better, but you you really have to jump straight into the controversy du jour before you have even broadcast a match?
Show some epic footage of the two teams, historical rivalry or whatever.
They could have done that with the hurling, considering that it is a hurling match that they're broadcasting on Saturday, but you're nit-picking a bit. Sky have no reputation for being negative about the sports they broadcast. If anything, Carney was being positive in relation to the black card and its impact. Whether you like it or not, the black card is the big issue in GAA right now. You're not not going to talk about it.
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A bit better.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9337726/gaa-to-make-debut-on-sky-sports
A lot better. That's exactly the kind of enthusiasm you expect from Sky, selling the game. As regard the Black card, he spoke eloquently. I've always liked the guy, it's easy to criticise somebody just because they weren't GAA players themselves, but give him a chance. On that evidence, he won't be half bad.
Yes it is better, but you you really have to jump straight into the controversy du jour before you have even broadcast a match?
Show some epic footage of the two teams, historical rivalry or whatever.
They could have done that with the hurling, considering that it is a hurling match that they're broadcasting on Saturday, but you're nit-picking a bit. Sky have no reputation for being negative about the sports they broadcast. If anything, Carney was being positive in relation to the black card and its impact. Whether you like it or not, the black card is the big issue in GAA right now. You're not not going to talk about it.
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You don't.
GAA highlights show starts next Wednesday on Sky Sports 3 at 11pm.
Gaelic Football explained. Tomás Quinn tries his best, but he seems nervous.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9339759/gaelic-football-explained
Thought he wasn't too bad and it's a reasonable piece.
Yeah. This is the sort of stuff I thought we'd be seeing. Hopefully it ramps up through the year.
Yeah me too, I guess it isn't surprising they did little until their own games started and hopefully they'll do even more as the games get bigger. I think they'll certainly promote the latter stages of the championships hard as those games in Croke Park compare favourably with anything in the world as a spectacle, i.e big crowds in a modern stadium.
Are Sky doing any promotional offers for Sports package does anyone know. I'd nearly sign up for the summer if there was some discount. There was a time they were ringing every 2nd week with sports package discounts.
They've just showed a hurling one as well today. Also shot in Saint Vincents.
http://youtu.be/ikZxjQMSlOM
That hurling demo was awful. They should have bought Eamonnca1's video.
Arah it wasn't too bad.
Good to see Peter's goal get an early airing!
Yer woman is anchoring well.
Jamesey is like Cyril farrell with grammar.
Damien Lawlor is nervous or drunk
WTF? Jamesey pointing out lads late for the match?!
Don't like this Carney fella at all.
Wullie Frazer calls on all loyal protestants to cancel Sky subscriptions. Kilkenny full back plays for FENIANS!
Ah, the dulcet tones of Mikey Finnerty. The voice of hurling.
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Wullie Frazer calls on all loyal protestants to cancel Sky subscriptions. Kilkenny full back plays for FENIANS!
Don't be giving him ideas now!
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 06:58:13 PM
Ah, the dulcet tones of Mikey Finnerty. The voice of hurling.
I'm not a fan of his commentary. Find it a bit bland and robotic.
Sixty seconds of silence. A culture shock for Sky who haven't broadcast a silent millisecond in their history.
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Ah, the dulcet tones of Mikey Finnerty. The voice of hurling.
I'm not a fan of his commentary. Find it a bit bland and robotic.
Reminds me of Mayo league games and reverence for the One True Tan. It's comforting to hear a Mid-West lad beaming his voice to the Queen's territory but they probably should have went with Willie Hegerty.
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Reminds me of Mayo league games and reverence for the One True Tan. It's comforting to hear a Mid-West lad beaming his voice to the Queen's territory but they probably should have went with Willie Hegerty.
They're saving Willie for the football. Christ, Willie can come up with some quare spakes... :o
Who is the co-commentator?
Nicky English.
Of course, now that you say it. Thanks.
Brolly's tweet wasn't that far wrong....
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Brolly's tweet wasn't that far wrong....
What was that ?
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Glad they got a good game.
Christ!
They shouldn't broadcast the 2nd half. Put on WWF or something.
Offaly should have been in Leinster round robin stages
This is a massacre. road crash TV at its best, don't know how Sky gonna talk this game up, the Ukraine was putting it up more to Russia earlier in the year than Offaly are to kilkenny here.
Brian Whelan retired 15yrs and he could go out and put on a better showing from the offaly lads, bet Sky wish they showed that c(before hand perceived) crap Antrim V Fermanagh game last week now.
It's like an exhibition match arranged to explain the rules to viewers who are new to GAA.
Yea some hammering
Hard to say how good sky have been as no one could keep this game seem exciting
In fairness there is not much sky can do about the opposition for Kilkenny but that commentator will have to go if they are going to make it here. Plenty of skill on display albeit one-sided.
What skill?
Quote from: didlyi on June 07, 2014, 08:30:07 PM
In fairness there is not much sky can do about the opposition for Kilkenny but that commentator will have to go if they are going to make it here. Plenty of skill on display albeit one-sided.
Hard for a commentator to get excited about a game like that. I've heard Marty's commentary on one-sided games and his tone isn't much different when it's a hammering like that.
All in all I think it was a great presentation. Some gimmicky graphics at half time but that's what Sky viewers have come to expect in the UK. My only concern is some of the analysts are talking a bit fast, might be hard to understand for the English audience.
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What skill?
Yeah we get it, you get offended if anyone says hurling is skilful or more skilful than football.
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Calm down down boyo, it was a poor game. Not every hurling game is full of skill and amazing action. Despite what you might think I'm a big hurling fan.
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He was taking the piss
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What skill?
Ya what exactly is your point. It was an exhibition of skill in many respects but not a match.
No there wasn't, Offaly were like a junior B team so how the hell was anything Kilkenny did skilful?
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He was taking the piss
But where is his smiley?
A bloke from Islington on Twitter commented that Kilkenny may be the first hurling team to declare.
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2014, 08:52:52 PM
What is a skill?
Well everything involving a ball is a skill so what isn't?
In my book (http://www.waitingtolaunch.com/) I warn that this would happen. First-time viewers don't understand the goals-points notation, so get rid of it! It's a hangover from the days when goals outweighed any number of points and there's no longer any need for it. Just display the totals.
http://gaaresults.ie/priceless-these-new-gaa-fans-are-getting-it-hard-to-figure-out/ (http://gaaresults.ie/priceless-these-new-gaa-fans-are-getting-it-hard-to-figure-out/)
The point I was making is Kilkenny were so far ahead of Offaly that it was easy for players to execute the skills of the game. Running is a skill is it it not?
You think so? So if Dublin destroyed Antrim you reckon they had executed the skills of the game at a high level?
EDIT: In football I mean.
Few things from the whole show. It was a far, far superior production than TV3's shite, and despite it being their 1st game together, I thought it was fairly seamless. A new commentator and get the lads to slow down when they're talking and it could be a winner.
Overall, a thumbs up from me.
Love that comment on twitter about the KK lads declaring, had a good LOL at that.
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Well that was f**king embarrassing. But I thought sky did a fine job on it.
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You can't spell Rachel Wyse without Ra.
;D ;D ;D
Love it
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 07, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
Well that was f**king embarrassing. But I thought sky did a fine job on it.
Reaction on social media from first-time viewers has been positive, but a little confused which is understandable. I missed the start of the match but from what I saw I feel like more could have been done to explain it to newcomers.
The Irish social media reaction to the British reaction has been embarrassing. Comments range from the patronising to the downright racist.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 07, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
Well that was f**king embarrassing. But I thought sky did a fine job on it.
Reaction on social media from first-time viewers has been positive, but a little confused which is understandable. I missed the start of the match but from what I saw I feel like more could have been done to explain it to newcomers.
The Irish social media reaction to the British reaction has been embarrassing. Comments range from the patronising to the downright racist.
I've noticed this with some people regarding Gaelic games. We whinge about nobody appreciating how brilliant it is and then when people do express an interest we patronise them and snigger at their mistakes. Take Joe Brolly's attitude as an example of what I'm talking about, mocking the pronunciation of counties etc.
I've been living in England about 11 years now and cricket scores still don't make sense as I've no interest in it but I'm sure they'll figure it out eventually it's not complicated.
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To be honest, if they don't get an analyst with a manic, evil laugh a la Ger Loughnane, then Sky Sports have absolutely no business covering hurling games.
I also didn't hear a single "Lookit". That'd need to be sorted also.
Very much so.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
To be honest, if they don't get an analyst with a manic, evil laugh a la Ger Loughnane, then Sky Sports have absolutely no business covering hurling games.
I also didn't hear a single "Lookit". That'd need to be sorted also.
Very much so.
+ 1 as such.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 07, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I've noticed this with some people regarding Gaelic games. We whinge about nobody appreciating how brilliant it is and then when people do express an interest we patronise them and snigger at their mistakes. Take Joe Brolly's attitude as an example of what I'm talking about, mocking the pronunciation of counties etc.
+1. On the plus side, he's been mercifully quiet on Twitter today. He has to after his last little performance.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 07, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I've noticed this with some people regarding Gaelic games. We whinge about nobody appreciating how brilliant it is and then when people do express an interest we patronise them and snigger at their mistakes. Take Joe Brolly's attitude as an example of what I'm talking about, mocking the pronunciation of counties etc.
Sure Kilkenny people can't pronounce the name of their county and several of their players properly. However it does give a British angle for Sky as they're bound to be intrigued by all the Welsh playing for Kilkenny. I suppose.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 07, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I've noticed this with some people regarding Gaelic games. We whinge about nobody appreciating how brilliant it is and then when people do express an interest we patronise them and snigger at their mistakes. Take Joe Brolly's attitude as an example of what I'm talking about, mocking the pronunciation of counties etc.
+1. On the plus side, he's been mercifully quiet on Twitter today. He has to after his last little performance.
Yeah i think they took him into hand
I find Rachel Wyse's accent tremendously sexy - probably due to something in my subconscious about hearing a lot of similar accents at the Wesley disco, which I frequented in my teens, a long time ago.
Quote from: Sidney on June 07, 2014, 10:36:37 PM
I find Rachel Wyse's accent tremendously sexy - probably due to something in my subconscious about hearing a lot of similar accents at the Wesley disco, which I frequented in my teens, a long time ago.
It's not just the accent Sid ...
Quote from: Sidney on June 07, 2014, 10:36:37 PM
I find Rachel Wyse's accent tremendously sexy - probably due to something in my subconscious about hearing a lot of similar accents at the Wesley disco, which I frequented in my teens, a long time ago.
There's help for that sort of thing.
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Brolly's tweet wasn't that far wrong....
What was that ?
SKY = BBC + Baywatch Babe
Although in fairness, Rachel Wyse was decent
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I find Rachel Wyse's accent tremendously sexy - probably due to something in my subconscious about hearing a lot of similar accents at the Wesley disco, which I frequented in my teens, a long time ago.
There's help for that sort of thing.
Yeah, a bit of toilet roll.
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Just watched 5 mins of Hurling, WTF is going on there's a GK but they keep smashing it over the bar how the f**k does he save that?
7:26 PM - 7 Jun 2014
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Just watched 5 mins of Hurling, WTF is going on there's a GK but they keep smashing it over the bar how the f**k does he save that?
7:26 PM - 7 Jun 2014
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See what I mean?
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A bloke from Islington on Twitter commented that Kilkenny may be the first hurling team to declare.
I'm a bit slow tonight lads. I don't get this??
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A bloke from Islington on Twitter commented that Kilkenny may be the first hurling team to declare.
I'm a bit slow tonight lads. I don't get this??
Cricket. A team declares (stops batting) when they know they've won.
Has to be said that Offaly made a solid start on 18/1 in reply to Kilkenny's 32/5.
ha ah ha, thats one class!!
Well done Rachel and Co. As a starter I think they performed well and presentation attitudes were to promote not to denigrate. Rte Spillane brolly and all are too negative in their demeanour and I do feel they are last years boys. Are they Finished. Who knows what way they will change. These new guys are better at showing our games in a positive way.
That's the main difference in Sky they call it selling the product. On this case it's hurling so instead of banging on how bad Offaly were they focused more on Kilkenny and their awesome skill.
To be honest RTE football panel need to cop on a bit it's always a shite match with to much x, y and z.
I have to agree with those two posts. The two lads in the studio were super-articulate as well, though as someone alluded to, I doubt if any British viewers picked up more than 40% of their 100 mph delivery.
Even the rte start today showed they have been ordered to pull their socks up. Lester was focused but pleasant as he opened up proceedings with a smile. Spillane and brolly were direct and well prepared and o rourke had a role as well. Video intro was good. So sky is forcing the rte producers to clamp down and organise their presentation.
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Just watched 5 mins of Hurling, WTF is going on there's a GK but they keep smashing it over the bar how the f**k does he save that?
7:26 PM - 7 Jun 2014
;D
See what I mean?
In a game that gave us 6 goals (3 pointers) + an Offaly 'keeper who made some great saves, one of which he threw himself at and getting hit full pelt in the chest it is a bit of a stupid tweet.
"There's no point in a goalkeeper".
Actually, I see he only watched 5 minutes. Hardly gave it a chance.
He also said it was a bit tongue in cheek.
Quote from: rrhf on June 08, 2014, 01:53:09 PM
Even the rte start today showed they have been ordered to pull their socks up. Lester was focused but pleasant as he opened up proceedings with a smile. Spillane and brolly were direct and well prepared and o rourke had a role as well. Video intro was good. So sky is forcing the rte producers to clamp down and organise their presentation.
Brolly must have hit the wine at halftime or something
QuoteEven the rte start today showed they have been ordered to pull their socks up. Lester was focused but pleasant as he opened up proceedings with a smile. Spillane and brolly were direct and well prepared and o rourke had a role as well. Video intro was good. So sky is forcing the rte producers to clamp down and organise their presentation.
They can clamp down all they like but you can't polish turds into diamonds. Employ gombeens and you get what you deserve.
Jesus Brolly is a rude individual . Can he not sit back and listen to another individuals opinions without having to wave his hands in their faces and interrupt them. Definitely time for him to go.
I can't see or hear anything different. Same old bollocks from the three amigos.
Seriously, has brolly been drinking?? "15 points down against cork"?? He's paid to do this, surely he should be able to recall a match 6 weeks ago?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
Seriously, has brolly been drinking?? "15 points down against cork"?? He's paid to do this, surely he should be able to recall a match 6 weeks ago?
Brolly is a pr1ck. Brolly is an embarrassment. Has Brolly been drinking.....reign it in a bit lad
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
I have to agree with those two posts. The two lads in the studio were super-articulate as well, though as someone alluded to, I doubt if any British viewers picked up more than 40% of their 100 mph delivery.
I thought jamsie in particular was excellent.
Rachel Wyse does what presenter should, keeps the show moving along nicely and delivers thing professionally, carney was ok as well. A decent start from sky, looking forward to seeing how they handle the football.
Joe Brolly mentioned Donegals 'resurgence' several times today. What f**king resurgence?
Looking at twitter there seems to have been a bit of casual interest with mixed responses so hopefully a big clash of two contenders might just light a fuse.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
Seriously, has brolly been drinking?? "15 points down against cork"?? He's paid to do this, surely he should be able to recall a match 6 weeks ago?
Brolly is a pr1ck. Brolly is an embarrassment. Has Brolly been drinking.....reign it in a bit lad
Did you listen to him today?? Our tv licence money is paying for brolly and the two beside him, the least you'd expect is a bit of professionalism
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2014, 07:36:59 PM
Looking at twitter there seems to have been a bit of casual interest with mixed responses so hopefully a big clash of two contenders might just light a fuse.
I won't say I told you so.
Some lad on Twitter asked "What on Earth is hurling" and got subjected to a barrage of abuse. The reaction of some GAA "fans" to first-time viewers asking perfectly civil questions is embarrassing. Social media really can bring out the dark side in people.
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I won't say I told you so.
Yes, you will, over and over again. :(
QuoteSome lad on Twitter asked "What on Earth is hurling" and got subjected to a barrage of abuse. The reaction of some GAA "fans" to first-time viewers asking perfectly civil questions is embarrassing. Social media really can bring out the dark side in people.
If you are on the Internet then use Google to research your ignorance rather than tweeting an implication to fans of a sport that there is something odd about their interest.
Yeah, just reeks of insecurity and over sensitivity. It's hardly ignorance to not know of every single sport in the world.
See? See? See? I told you. See?
Calm down, I've been saying we need to open up the game to a world wide audience for years! If you care to take a look over my 5000+ posts since 2007 or whenever I joined, you'll see. I might even have thought of it first.
I jest.
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He was taking the piss
there are too many of these piss takers on that sickening site twitter, i saw someone say today that they hope Brolly gets shot by the UVF and last week someone defending the shankill butchers killings
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He was taking the piss
there are too many of these piss takers on that sickening site twitter, i saw someone say today that they hope Brolly gets shot by the UVF and last week someone defending the shankill butchers killings
You are following the wrong people.
So what's the next game on Sky?
Can't seem to find a schedule from them.
Dublin-Wexford hurling next Sat., Sligo-Galway, following Sat., Armagh-Monaghan Sat. 28th.
Quote from: Hardy on June 09, 2014, 12:29:45 PM
Dublin-Wexford hurling next Sat., Sligo-Galway, following Sat., Armagh-Monaghan Sat. 21st.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 08, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
Some lad on Twitter asked "What on Earth is hurling" and got subjected to a barrage of abuse. The reaction of some GAA "fans" to first-time viewers asking perfectly civil questions is embarrassing. Social media really can bring out the dark side in people.
I dunno, wilful ignorance on social media kind of annoys me.
Like when fellas go on it to ask 'Who won the match?'
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/exclusive-32000-viewers-in-ireland-tune-into-skys-gaa-debut-30339999.html
Sky had 2.9% audience share in Ireland for Kilkenny v Offaly.
Great way to promote Gaelic games.
How many watched it on 'The Mainland'?
You are following the wrong people.
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Martin McGuinness, though it wasn't Marty who said it, loads of loyalists and English people comment under every update he makes.
It was a Meath person who made the comment about Brolly.
Quote from: roney on June 09, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/exclusive-32000-viewers-in-ireland-tune-into-skys-gaa-debut-30339999.html
Sky had 2.9% audience share in Ireland for Kilkenny v Offaly.
Great way to promote Gaelic games.
I'm surprised more people didn't tune in to watch a ritual mauling in the quarter final of the Leinster senior championship.
Quote from: roney on June 09, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/exclusive-32000-viewers-in-ireland-tune-into-skys-gaa-debut-30339999.html
Sky had 2.9% audience share in Ireland for Kilkenny v Offaly.
Great way to promote Gaelic games.
That is still more than turned up to watch it, I think I saw an empty seat or two.
No harm to Offaly but that game was always going to be very one sided. The real test will be when the tighter games come along.
Good article here on Brian Carney:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/not-just-a-pretty-face-brian-carneys-pathway-to-sky-30337199.html
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
How many watched it on 'The Mainland'?
Seems to be around 14,000 in addition to the 32,000 watched it in Ireland.
It's alarming when you consider over 200,000 watched the last time the two were shown live on RTE.
So much for the bullshit about bringing the games to a wider audience .
Viewing figures will always be higher on terrestrial. I don't think that was ever an argument. However it was 14,000 new viewers in the UK, I do expect the audience figures to grow in the UK based on the response to it.
I think Sky did a good job on the game they had, in difficult circumstances, and their positive, upbeat coverage is a marked contrast to RTE's slant on things.
Some people just don't want to give this a chance, fair enough, but I think those people are a smaller minority as time goes on.
This is weird logic.
You'd welcome 14,000 new viewers in another country at the expense of the loss of a couple of hundred thousand viewers in this country?
Each to their own.
Personally I've always found Cyril Farrell, Tomas Mulcahy and Ger Loughnane to be reasonably upbeat about the game. They are passionate hurling people so I'm not sure where you are going with that argument.
RTE have the same games as last year. We've never had more games on TV. Nobody showed the Cork Waterford, Armagh v Cavan or several other games this weekend. Where's the outcry?
I just don't understand the antipathy towards potentially improving the quality of coverage and making it available to other people. It will take time to grow in the UK. Did you think 4 million viewers would tune into the first match?
And I agree with you about the hurling men on RTE. I have no problem with them at all. It's RTE's attitude to GAA in general (ah sure any auld shite presentation will do, people will watch anyway) and the tiresome 'controversial' pundits on the Football.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
RTE have the same games as last year. We've never had more games on TV. Nobody showed the Cork Waterford, Armagh v Cavan or several other games this weekend. Where's the outcry?
I just don't understand the antipathy towards potentially improving the quality of coverage and making it available to other people. It will take time to grow in the UK. Did you think 4 million viewers would tune into the first match?
And I agree with you about the hurling men on RTE. I have no problem with them at all. It's RTE's attitude to GAA in general (ah sure any auld shite presentation will do, people will watch anyway) and the tiresome 'controversial' pundits on the Football.
Don't disagree on the football pundits AZ. They are a tired group although some of it is enjoyable. It can be annoying though.
However, surely we've thrown the baby out with the bath water here? The programme is about the games and people watching the games. What some retired player thinks is fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
You talk about presentation although I find the most important aspect of the presentation i.e. the camera work to be of a fairly high standard on RTE. They have nice slow motion features and in general I don't find a problem with it. It's evolving.
I no more want to listen to Sky pundits than RTE pundits.
I don't understand this burning desire to have a worldwide audience. What's the end game? A 'world series' branded hurling championship where the same four counties win it as have always won it?
Getting more kids playing GAA in Ireland that would be higher up my list of priorities to be honest.
We can do both is my take on it. And any competition, in the meantime, that gives RTE a reminder is a good thing. I wouldn't want all games on Sky, but I want the threat of it to keep RTE honest. To be honest I can't understand why broadcasters don't have an opportunity to show every game. That way you could have 45 or whatever it is on RTE, and more on Sky and TV3 or whatever. The games that are not shown this year, in many cases, will be better than games that are.
I think RTE have shown that where they have no competition, they will just about do 'enough' to keep what is a captive audience off their backs. They have no interest in making the GAA look like a good product, and their football pundits reinforce that with their style. The hurling pundits, in fairness, are the opposite.
So if Sky does nothing else but bring a positivity to their coverage, and forces RTE to examine their own direction, then I think it will be good for the future of GAA on TV. If it helps lads like Zulu there over in Scotland to recruit kids, or helps the kids he trains to stick out their chest with pride that their game is on Sky TV, then all the better.
As I said, I think you can do both.
Sky Sports News brief highlights
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9342342/mayo-v-roscommon-highlights
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9342459/dublin-v-laois-highlights
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Quote from: hairyUlsterman on June 09, 2014, 05:17:41 PM
You are following the wrong people.
Martin McGuinness, though it wasn't Marty who said it, loads of loyalists and English people comment under every update he makes.
It was a Meath person who made the comment about Brolly.
..That he hopes Brolly gets shot by the UVF?
Even if he was stupid enough to say something like that, surely he wasn't daft enough to say where he was from and possibly identify himself?
Sounds like a flourbag false flag operation.
Trying to smear our good name.
A bit like the threatening letter Carthage Buckley got from Laois fans after the Battle of Aughrim, postmarked 'Athy'.
Stop calling him Carthage, I don't know who you are referring to when you say that. Call him 'Catch'.
Typical Biffos.
Here you have a man with possibly the greatest first name in the world, and you have to give him a nickname.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 01:05:37 PM
Stop calling him Carthage, I don't know who you are referring to when you say that. Call him 'Catch'.
Now that's name from the past. Shared an apartment with "Catch" junior in college back in the day.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2014, 01:07:19 PM
Typical Biffos.
Here you have a man with possibly the greatest first name in the world, and you have to give him a nickname.
You try cursing at him in the middle of a game. For fucks sake Carthage just doesn't trip of the tongue.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:35:46 AM
We can do both is my take on it. And any competition, in the meantime, that gives RTE a reminder is a good thing. I wouldn't want all games on Sky, but I want the threat of it to keep RTE honest. To be honest I can't understand why broadcasters don't have an opportunity to show every game. That way you could have 45 or whatever it is on RTE, and more on Sky and TV3 or whatever. The games that are not shown this year, in many cases, will be better than games that are.
I think RTE have shown that where they have no competition, they will just about do 'enough' to keep what is a captive audience off their backs. They have no interest in making the GAA look like a good product, and their football pundits reinforce that with their style. The hurling pundits, in fairness, are the opposite.
So if Sky does nothing else but bring a positivity to their coverage, and forces RTE to examine their own direction, then I think it will be good for the future of GAA on TV. If it helps lads like Zulu there over in Scotland to recruit kids, or helps the kids he trains to stick out their chest with pride that their game is on Sky TV, then all the better.
As I said, I think you can do both.
I agree AZ. I don't think British clubs will be turning kids away because they can't handle the surge in numbers but it has to be a bit of help and I certainly promote the Sky connection on our clubs Facebook and twitter page (mores now that games have started). It will help the game in Britain but I don't see how it will harm the game in Ireland so I think it's a win win situation. I know last Saturdays match was shown in at least two non-Irish pubs close to where I live and in time I think it will generate a following.
Quote from: roney on June 10, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
I don't understand this burning desire to have a worldwide audience.
I don't understand the urge to keep the games under wraps and hidden from the rest of the world. Are we ashamed of them or something?
Was Riverdance pointless or was it a proud expression of Irish culture in front of an international audience?
What's wrong with showcasing the most underrated aspect of our culture?
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Getting more kids playing GAA in Ireland that would be higher up my list of priorities to be honest.
Why? The game's already strong in Ireland. There's already kids playing Gaelic games in Ireland. What's wrong with fishing in new waters and bringing more cultures and nationalities into our games? What's wrong with sharing our games with the rest of the world? What's wrong with wanting to be known as a people that can do more than just drink ourselves stupid?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 01:01:44 AM
Why? The game's already strong in Ireland. There's already kids playing Gaelic games in Ireland. What's wrong with fishing in new waters and bringing more cultures and nationalities into our games? What's wrong with sharing our games with the rest of the world? What's wrong with wanting to be known as a people that can do more than just drink ourselves stupid?
There's parts of Ireland where feck all kids play Gaelic games, but this is ignored in all of this hype. Why in Ireland are people always more interested in what the rest of the world thinks of us, rather than what actually goes on in our own country.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2014, 01:29:14 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 01:01:44 AM
Why? The game's already strong in Ireland. There's already kids playing Gaelic games in Ireland. What's wrong with fishing in new waters and bringing more cultures and nationalities into our games? What's wrong with sharing our games with the rest of the world? What's wrong with wanting to be known as a people that can do more than just drink ourselves stupid?
There's parts of Ireland where feck all kids play Gaelic games, but this is ignored in all of this hype. Why in Ireland are people always more interested in what the rest of the world thinks of us, rather than what actually goes on in our own country.
You'd swear we could only do one thing at any time.
If you are not doing one thing properly then maybe stick at that before moving on to something of much less importance.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2014, 01:37:53 AM
If you are not doing one thing properly then maybe stick at that before moving on to something of much less importance.
Why would reaching out to an unsaturated country be of any less importance to reaching out to a saturated country? People are people. There's alot more gra for the games aboard than there is in a lot of unionist communities.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2014, 01:37:53 AM
If you are not doing one thing properly then maybe stick at that before moving on to something of much less importance.
The GAA has done a great job of developing the games in Ireland and participation rates compare favourably with other sports in the country. Indeed, I'd imagine the percentage of the population playing GAA in Ireland would be similar to the percentage of people playing soccer in Britain, American football in the US or Aussie rules in Australia. That's not to say we shouldn't aim to increase the numbers playing in the major urban areas where there is genuine potential for growth but how does putting 14 games on Sky hinder that?
Nothing about this deal limits the GAA's potential for further growth in Ireland but it does potentially aid the growth of the games in Britain.
Exactly. It's not relevant to this discussion in my mind. Making games available to kids in th uk does not mean you have to neglect kids in Ireland. In my opinion kids in Ireland are better catered for than at any time in the past.
There's the argument that all this talk about TV rights to games and relying on more and more televised games for revenue/promotion is driving a wedge between clubs and county teams as more and more demands are placed on the top players.
Clubs nurture players from 6 years of age but have to lump the fact they'll see precious little of that player for a large chunk of the year. Our top intercounty player at the minute Paul Shields for instance has played one league game out of 7 and to be honest ....looking at the number of matches and county sessions, it would be wrong to expect him to play in the circumstances.
I don't like what's happening. Seems to be a medium term plan for Counties to play for longer and longer together in the summer months and the impact to clubs isn't a consideration
Nothing to do with TV Skull IMO and everything to do with the Gaa being unwilling to address the farce that is the Gaa season.
Quote from: theskull1 on June 11, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
There's the argument that all this talk about TV rights to games and relying on more and more televised games for revenue/promotion is driving a wedge between clubs and county teams as more and more demands are placed on the top players.
Clubs nurture players from 6 years of age but have to lump the fact they'll see precious little of that player for a large chunk of the year. Our top intercounty player at the minute Paul Shields for instance has played one league game out of 7 and to be honest ....looking at the number of matches and county sessions, it would be wrong to expect him to play in the circumstances.
I don't like what's happening. Seems to be a medium term plan for Counties to play for longer and longer together in the summer months and the impact to clubs isn't a consideration
I think this is a valid concern, and something I'm worried about. The natural progression to me seems to be towards selecting a county panel and they are simply unavailable to their clubs any more until the county season is over. If championship is played, it will be without these players. I don't think this has anything to do with Sky or kids being exposed to the games in the UK though. I'll be perfectly honest, I'm involved/have been involved in various county teams recently, and if we could just plan our activities without worrying about club fixtures etc it would be an awful lot easier and better for the county team. Of course that would be against the whole 'club' ethos of the GAA, and if I was coaching a club team I'd be cursing the county lads being unavailable to me for preparation. It's actually the worst of both worlds at the moment I think.
Quote from: Zulu on June 11, 2014, 09:12:54 AM
Nothing to do with TV Skull IMO and everything to do with the Gaa being unwilling to address the farce that is the Gaa season.
Agree it's not the TV companies fault. However, it's two sides of the same coin.
The Sky part of media deal was largely about sponsorship and the ability to tap into whatever millions of set boxes are in the UK. The disapora thing is a complete lie that doesn't stand up to any analysis.
Sponsorship is the same reason that the intercounty season isn't shortened. Gate receipts are of course a factor but a lesser factor because whoever is going to go to the games probably will if they are played in Aug or Sept.
However, if I am a big sponsor of the championship I want my sponsorship to run for the maximum period possible. I don't give a shit about club fixtures as it's none of my concern. Sky is a potential platform to sell to sponsors.
Bottom line is that the decisions around fixtures and Sky are primarily of the same nature. Profit and sponsorship is being maximised at the expense of clubs in the fixtures case and people without pay tv in the Sky case.
Anyway, you don't have to believe me but listen to the guy who started the commercial activity for the GPA. He is a very shrewd business person.
"Sky are going to bring additional value to the GAA's entire commercial stock and while the sponsorship deals might not be happening now, they will increase in value because of Sky," said the former IMG sales and marketing manager.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0402/ireland/gpa-founder-oaposneill-says-sky-deal-aposchanges-the-landscapeapos-264015.html
So if the top brass in the GAA had publicly announced and conceded that the Sky deal was accepted as it was going to bring on board the best media operator in the world ( which they did say ), that the GAA could benefit from the global presence of Sky AND that they got a good few quid out of the deal, more than TV3 could have paid and that if anything the revenue stream over time was going to dramatically increase, would we have been happier ?. In other words a bit of honesty rather than spin.
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 11, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
There's the argument that all this talk about TV rights to games and relying on more and more televised games for revenue/promotion is driving a wedge between clubs and county teams as more and more demands are placed on the top players.
Clubs nurture players from 6 years of age but have to lump the fact they'll see precious little of that player for a large chunk of the year. Our top intercounty player at the minute Paul Shields for instance has played one league game out of 7 and to be honest ....looking at the number of matches and county sessions, it would be wrong to expect him to play in the circumstances.
I don't like what's happening. Seems to be a medium term plan for Counties to play for longer and longer together in the summer months and the impact to clubs isn't a consideration
I think this is a valid concern, and something I'm worried about. The natural progression to me seems to be towards selecting a county panel and they are simply unavailable to their clubs any more until the county season is over. If championship is played, it will be without these players. I don't think this has anything to do with Sky or kids being exposed to the games in the UK though. I'll be perfectly honest, I'm involved/have been involved in various county teams recently, and if we could just plan our activities without worrying about club fixtures etc it would be an awful lot easier and better for the county team. Of course that would be against the whole 'club' ethos of the GAA, and if I was coaching a club team I'd be cursing the county lads being unavailable to me for preparation. It's actually the worst of both worlds at the moment I think.
IMO its not directly related to Sky, but the extended Intercounty championship has everything to do with commercial revenues, sponsorship exposure and TV rights.
There would be no problems running more games off at the weekends, what's to stop the two Munster hurling semi-finals to be played on the one weekend, ditto any of the other provinces doing the same, yet they are elongated so that we've one game a weekend in each provincial competition, it has to be with TV coverage and sponsors paying big money to see their branding splattered over the airwaves for the entire summer.
In the meantime the club game is stymied in all but a few counties whilst this protracted season draws on.
Oh, I think Roney has hit on the same point.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
So if the top brass in the GAA had publicly announced and conceded that the Sky deal was accepted as it was going to bring on board the best media operator in the world ( which they did say ), that the GAA could benefit from the global presence of Sky AND that they got a good few quid out of the deal, more than TV3 could have paid and that if anything the revenue stream over time was going to dramatically increase, would we have been happier ?. In other words a bit of honesty rather than spin.
Anyone who didn't realise that Sky exposure opens up commercial avenues is nuts. We had to be told that? I assumed that was taken as read. In fact I'm sure I heard Liam O'Neill or someone make that point. Sure if there are new markets exposed to the GAA, then the chances are that a percentage of them will at least buy a hurley or a jersey if they get into it.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
So if the top brass in the GAA had publicly announced and conceded that the Sky deal was accepted as it was going to bring on board the best media operator in the world ( which they did say ), that the GAA could benefit from the global presence of Sky AND that they got a good few quid out of the deal, more than TV3 could have paid and that if anything the revenue stream over time was going to dramatically increase, would we have been happier ?. In other words a bit of honesty rather than spin.
Short answer is yes.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
AZ. Who is "we' ?. There are competing interests now. When you say that a large portion of funds would be distributed to clubs, I assume you're talking about funds being distributed indirectly in the form of coaching etc without cheques being written to individual units ?.
Quote from: Zulu on June 11, 2014, 09:12:54 AM
Nothing to do with TV Skull IMO and everything to do with the Gaa being unwilling to address the farce that is the Gaa season.
Not sure I'd agree its got nothing to do with it Zulu. My take on it is the upper echelons GAA are driven by revenue opportunities and TV rights is one of those as well as gate receipts and additional sponsorship potential. This pressure between the club game and IC is an understood negative byproduct of that need to develop more sources of revenue. The reason why they are unwilling to address the farce as you rightly call it is due to the fact that the straightforward solutions will impact revenue.
......just seen there's been 6 new replies....probably making a similar point
Quote from: roney on June 11, 2014, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
So if the top brass in the GAA had publicly announced and conceded that the Sky deal was accepted as it was going to bring on board the best media operator in the world ( which they did say ), that the GAA could benefit from the global presence of Sky AND that they got a good few quid out of the deal, more than TV3 could have paid and that if anything the revenue stream over time was going to dramatically increase, would we have been happier ?. In other words a bit of honesty rather than spin.
Short answer is yes.
And I think most would agree with that and would accept that and leave less room for complaint. There's too much spin coming out of headquarters. Most communication is sent out with a degree of spin on it.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
AZ. Who is "we' ?. There are competing interests now. When you say that a large portion of funds would be distributed to clubs, I assume you're talking about funds being distributed indirectly in the form of coaching etc without cheques being written to individual units ?.
We are the GAA. It is a democratic organisation, in theory, which has channels for any and all viewpoints to be aired and passed at various units all the way up to Congress. Competing interests in a democratic organisation is not a new concept, but the idea is that which ever 'interest' has the most support carries the day. The GAA consititution is set up in such a way that it requires a 2/3 majority to do so in most cases.
When I say, in my scenario, that a large proportion of funds may be allocated for club development from inter county games, I'm talking about in the same manner it is now. Grants for infrastructure, coaching and the provision of coaches. But that while the county game contributes to this, the clubs are left to their own devices in individual counties in terms of running their competitions and they do not have access to their county players.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
Agree AZ and a good post. Sky is merely the vehicle not the driver.
This ever increasing drive to 'promote the GAA overseas' is also part of it. There's a billion dollar industry out there in terms of the global sports market. In purely monetary terms it probably makes sense but to me, at least, it is wrong. The day we view the GAA as a commercial entity is the day it begins to fall apart.
When you have an army of paid executives and staff you have to come up with a strategy. They're good at what they do so they compete in the areas in which they excel. However, this threatens to erode the very ethos that makes the GAA what is it in the first place. I'm not sure they fully grasp that.
Clubs on the ground are already becoming detached from the counties. If it's not addressed by the membership of the GAA then what you outline will come to pass.
How much money is enough? You have asked the correct and fundamental question now which the GAA (all of us) has to answer.
Quote from: roney on June 11, 2014, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
Agree AZ and a good post. Sky is merely the vehicle not the driver.
This ever increasing drive to 'promote the GAA overseas' is also part of it. There's a billion dollar industry out there in terms of the global sports market. In purely monetary terms in probably makes sense but to me at least it is wrong. The day we view the GAA as a commercial entity is the day it begins to fall apart.
When you have an army of paid executives and staff you have to come up with a strategy. They're good at what they do so they compete in the areas in which they excel. However, this threatens to erode the very ethos that makes the GAA what is it in the first place. I'm not sure they fully grasp that.
Clubs on the ground are already becoming detached from the counties. If it's not addressed by the membership of the GAA then what you outline will come to pass.
How much money is enough?
I'm going to agree with you on some points, and not others :)
On promoting the GAA overseas, I have to say I see nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If the aim is to spread the community ethos and enjoyment of our games, then I'm all for that. If the aim is to spread it, SIMPLY to open up commercial avenues, then yes I think that's less noble. I lived in Arizona for 4 years, hence the name. I played football with a club in San Diego, and I've started a club in Phoenix. I've seen both clubs struggle for numbers and games, so anything that gives more exposure would help them, and I would be in favour of it, *as long as it does not hurt clubs at home* but I see no reason why it should or would.
I do agree that the GAA should not be about making the most money it can, it should ALWAYS be secondary to the welfare of its players, and its games. However, we would be foolish not to understand that a well run commercial arm could maximise the money so that it can be spent in helping our players and our clubs in the form of coaching, facilities and other benefits. We can't run our games without money, we can't improve our clubs and players experience without money, but we can't let money run the game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
I too have that suspicion and if it becomes a black and white as that, I'll vote with my feet. If my club develops talent that come senior stops representing the club because they've done too good a job fostered that talent, there ain't much incentive to do it to the best of your ability? Or will U8 coaches be on the payroll by then? :-\
Quote from: theskull1 on June 11, 2014, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
I too have that suspicion and if it becomes a black and white as that, I'll vote with my feet. If my club develops talent that come senior stops representing the club because they've done too good a job fostered that talent, there ain't much incentive to do it to the best of your ability? Or will U8 coaches be on the payroll by then? :-\
I'd say the club structures will stay exactly as they are, but players will graduate to the county squads and that will be the end of it. Lets face it, it's not 100 miles from the situation today, except the clubs wait around for their senior players to come back to them whenever the county manager and county board deign to do so.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
AZ. Who is "we' ?. There are competing interests now. When you say that a large portion of funds would be distributed to clubs, I assume you're talking about funds being distributed indirectly in the form of coaching etc without cheques being written to individual units ?.
We are the GAA. It is a democratic organisation, in theory, which has channels for any and all viewpoints to be aired and passed at various units all the way up to Congress. Competing interests in a democratic organisation is not a new concept, but the idea is that which ever 'interest' has the most support carries the day. The GAA consititution is set up in such a way that it requires a 2/3 majority to do so in most cases.
When I say, in my scenario, that a large proportion of funds may be allocated for club development from inter county games, I'm talking about in the same manner it is now. Grants for infrastructure, coaching and the provision of coaches. But that while the county game contributes to this, the clubs are left to their own devices in individual counties in terms of running their competitions and they do not have access to their county players.
If the GAA is democratic, how come when the top table want something passed, it gets passed. But when clubs go to county conventions the county secretary and the top table brow beat us into convincing us that a motion is out of order, goes against the existing bye laws, or will be brought to the first County Management for discussion or if they're really beat will say that they'll accept it as a recommendation and it's never heard from again.
Then there's the Annual Congress where only those motions that the top tables want on the Clar actually end up as motions for discussions. Same thing then happens. Only those that the top brass want passed get passed and the rest are kicked for touch.
This isn't democracy. Far from it. We are not the GAA. That day is long gone. The top table make the rules and take the decisions. The Sky / Sun deals etc etc prove this. None of us knew these discussions were even taking place.
As Roney rightly says, the executives in the GAA in HQ are very good at what they do. But he makes a good point. At what point does enough become enough ?.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
I'm going to agree with you on some points, and not others :)
On promoting the GAA overseas, I have to say I see nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If the aim is to spread the community ethos and enjoyment of our games, then I'm all for that. If the aim is to spread it, SIMPLY to open up commercial avenues, then yes I think that's less noble. I lived in Arizona for 4 years, hence the name. I played football with a club in San Diego, and I've started a club in Phoenix. I've seen both clubs struggle for numbers and games, so anything that gives more exposure would help them, and I would be in favour of it, *as long as it does not hurt clubs at home* but I see no reason why it should or would.
I do agree that the GAA should not be about making the most money it can, it should ALWAYS be secondary to the welfare of its players, and its games. However, we would be foolish not to understand that a well run commercial arm could maximise the money so that it can be spent in helping our players and our clubs in the form of coaching, facilities and other benefits. We can't run our games without money, we can't improve our clubs and players experience without money, but we can't let money run the game.
Can't disagree with any of that. I do feel the overseas card has been overplayed though and the cynic in me links it to this global commercial strategy for a piece of the big pie.
I know only too well that nothing is possible without a well run financial operation but the bottom line is that it must be done with our core principles intact. Otherwise we become the FAI.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 10:13:54 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
AZ. Who is "we' ?. There are competing interests now. When you say that a large portion of funds would be distributed to clubs, I assume you're talking about funds being distributed indirectly in the form of coaching etc without cheques being written to individual units ?.
We are the GAA. It is a democratic organisation, in theory, which has channels for any and all viewpoints to be aired and passed at various units all the way up to Congress. Competing interests in a democratic organisation is not a new concept, but the idea is that which ever 'interest' has the most support carries the day. The GAA consititution is set up in such a way that it requires a 2/3 majority to do so in most cases.
When I say, in my scenario, that a large proportion of funds may be allocated for club development from inter county games, I'm talking about in the same manner it is now. Grants for infrastructure, coaching and the provision of coaches. But that while the county game contributes to this, the clubs are left to their own devices in individual counties in terms of running their competitions and they do not have access to their county players.
If the GAA is democratic, how come when the top table want something passed, it gets passed. But when clubs go to county conventions the county secretary and the top table brow beat us into convincing us that a motion is out of order, goes against the existing bye laws, or will be brought to the first County Management for discussion or if they're really beat will say that they'll accept it as a recommendation and it's never heard from again.
Then there's the Annual Congress where only those motions that the top tables want on the Clar actually end up as motions for discussions. Same thing then happens. Only those that the top brass want passed get passed and the rest are kicked for touch.
This isn't democracy. Far from it. We are not the GAA. That day is long gone. The top table make the rules and take the decisions. The Sky / Sun deals etc etc prove this. None of us knew these discussions were even taking place.
As Roney rightly says, the executives in the GAA in HQ are very good at what they do. But he makes a good point. At what point does enough become enough ?.
Nonsense. The Top Brass get one vote, same as everyone else. If they are good at lobbying, then that's also democracy. Like it or not. It sounds like you just want people who agree with you. Sure Jaysus if we took a vote here, it would be interesting to see what would happen on any one subject. There is a majority in the GAA now who are anxious to move things in a certain direction. If we don't like that, it's up to us to vote for a more conservative president etc.
At the end of the day, your convention delegate is voting to represent the majority view of his county board. If he is doing that, and you happen to be in the minority view, then I'm afraid that's the way she goes. If he is NOT doing that, as was the case in a couple of votes in the past, then he should be railroaded out.
You may not like the direction taken, but I'd say in general the majority views have been carried in most of these contentious decisions. Black Card, Rule 21, Opening Croke Park, etc etc.
I realise that this particular deal was not subject to a vote at congress, and maybe it should have been, but I'm sure the principle of a committee given the right to negotiate such deals WAS approved at some point in the past. If not, and the majority view is that this is a bad development, then there is a vehicle there to have it blocked after 2017, via a motion at Congress.
Quote from: roney on June 11, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
I'm going to agree with you on some points, and not others :)
On promoting the GAA overseas, I have to say I see nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If the aim is to spread the community ethos and enjoyment of our games, then I'm all for that. If the aim is to spread it, SIMPLY to open up commercial avenues, then yes I think that's less noble. I lived in Arizona for 4 years, hence the name. I played football with a club in San Diego, and I've started a club in Phoenix. I've seen both clubs struggle for numbers and games, so anything that gives more exposure would help them, and I would be in favour of it, *as long as it does not hurt clubs at home* but I see no reason why it should or would.
I do agree that the GAA should not be about making the most money it can, it should ALWAYS be secondary to the welfare of its players, and its games. However, we would be foolish not to understand that a well run commercial arm could maximise the money so that it can be spent in helping our players and our clubs in the form of coaching, facilities and other benefits. We can't run our games without money, we can't improve our clubs and players experience without money, but we can't let money run the game.
Can't disagree with any of that. I do feel the overseas card has been overplayed though and the cynic in me links it to this global commercial strategy for a piece of the big pie.
I know only too well that nothing is possible without a well run financial operation but the bottom line is that it must be done with our core principles intact. Otherwise we become the FAI.
FAI are flying high. Big money coming in. All is well. Things were never as good.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: roney on June 11, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
I'm going to agree with you on some points, and not others :)
On promoting the GAA overseas, I have to say I see nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If the aim is to spread the community ethos and enjoyment of our games, then I'm all for that. If the aim is to spread it, SIMPLY to open up commercial avenues, then yes I think that's less noble. I lived in Arizona for 4 years, hence the name. I played football with a club in San Diego, and I've started a club in Phoenix. I've seen both clubs struggle for numbers and games, so anything that gives more exposure would help them, and I would be in favour of it, *as long as it does not hurt clubs at home* but I see no reason why it should or would.
I do agree that the GAA should not be about making the most money it can, it should ALWAYS be secondary to the welfare of its players, and its games. However, we would be foolish not to understand that a well run commercial arm could maximise the money so that it can be spent in helping our players and our clubs in the form of coaching, facilities and other benefits. We can't run our games without money, we can't improve our clubs and players experience without money, but we can't let money run the game.
Can't disagree with any of that. I do feel the overseas card has been overplayed though and the cynic in me links it to this global commercial strategy for a piece of the big pie.
I know only too well that nothing is possible without a well run financial operation but the bottom line is that it must be done with our core principles intact. Otherwise we become the FAI.
FAI are flying high. Big money coming in. All is well. Things were never as good.
If you take a look around the South, you will see that YES, the junior soccer clubs have NEVER had it so good. The senior team might be shite, but you ask anyone down here about facilities and coaching that the soccer clubs are doing, and it is not far behind GAA at all. FAI Summer Camps, Astroturf pitches and a lot of kids and adult teams. They have never had it so good.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2014, 01:37:53 AM
If you are not doing one thing properly then maybe stick at that before moving on to something of much less importance.
"Much less importance"? Why are GAA clubs in Ireland so much more important than the ones whose players travel thousands of miles to get to their games?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 10:13:54 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
That is a fair point roney, and I think you are spot on. See my previous post. However, this is the target whether Sky are involved or not. The commercial model in the GAA is very much about increasing exposure to multiple sponsors to both mitigate any sponsor leaving (all the eggs in one basket) and to increase revenue in total by having more sponsors paying a bit less each.
You are right that a sponsor wants maximum exposure and they will not want to hear about an intercounty season shortening or with less games. If anything, I suspect they'd like a championship that went on for 6 or 7 months.
The question, which is a fundemental one, before us as an Organisation is:
a) Do we want to maximise the revenue accrued, and use the monies gathered to reinvest in our grassroots (clubs, facilities) as well as county teams
OR
b) Do we want to maximise the importance of the club game in the calendar, potentially eliminating some of that funding.
I have a lingering suspicion that they want to do both, which means we are heading for an official club v county split. That would mean separate calendars and clubs doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without their county players. It would also mean the county game would be the main revenue generator, and a large portion of those funds would be earmarked for distribution to the clubs. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a moot point.
AZ. Who is "we' ?. There are competing interests now. When you say that a large portion of funds would be distributed to clubs, I assume you're talking about funds being distributed indirectly in the form of coaching etc without cheques being written to individual units ?.
We are the GAA. It is a democratic organisation, in theory, which has channels for any and all viewpoints to be aired and passed at various units all the way up to Congress. Competing interests in a democratic organisation is not a new concept, but the idea is that which ever 'interest' has the most support carries the day. The GAA consititution is set up in such a way that it requires a 2/3 majority to do so in most cases.
When I say, in my scenario, that a large proportion of funds may be allocated for club development from inter county games, I'm talking about in the same manner it is now. Grants for infrastructure, coaching and the provision of coaches. But that while the county game contributes to this, the clubs are left to their own devices in individual counties in terms of running their competitions and they do not have access to their county players.
If the GAA is democratic, how come when the top table want something passed, it gets passed. But when clubs go to county conventions the county secretary and the top table brow beat us into convincing us that a motion is out of order, goes against the existing bye laws, or will be brought to the first County Management for discussion or if they're really beat will say that they'll accept it as a recommendation and it's never heard from again.
Then there's the Annual Congress where only those motions that the top tables want on the Clar actually end up as motions for discussions. Same thing then happens. Only those that the top brass want passed get passed and the rest are kicked for touch.
This isn't democracy. Far from it. We are not the GAA. That day is long gone. The top table make the rules and take the decisions. The Sky / Sun deals etc etc prove this. None of us knew these discussions were even taking place.
As Roney rightly says, the executives in the GAA in HQ are very good at what they do. But he makes a good point. At what point does enough become enough ?.
Nonsense. The Top Brass get one vote, same as everyone else. If they are good at lobbying, then that's also democracy. Like it or not. It sounds like you just want people who agree with you. Sure Jaysus if we took a vote here, it would be interesting to see what would happen on any one subject. There is a majority in the GAA now who are anxious to move things in a certain direction. If we don't like that, it's up to us to vote for a more conservative president etc.
At the end of the day, your convention delegate is voting to represent the majority view of his county board. If he is doing that, and you happen to be in the minority view, then I'm afraid that's the way she goes. If he is NOT doing that, as was the case in a couple of votes in the past, then he should be railroaded out.
You may not like the direction taken, but I'd say in general the majority views have been carried in most of these contentious decisions. Black Card, Rule 21, Opening Croke Park, etc etc.
I realise that this particular deal was not subject to a vote at congress, and maybe it should have been, but I'm sure the principle of a committee given the right to negotiate such deals WAS approved at some point in the past. If not, and the majority view is that this is a bad development, then there is a vehicle there to have it blocked after 2017, via a motion at Congress.
Maybe it should have been ?. Of course it should have been. Every significant decision of importance to "our" association taken by the executives should be flagged up and notice given to its membership.
We all know that the Sky deal won't be blocked in 2017 by a motion to Congress.
I made the point earlier - if the GAA were upfront and told us what they intended doing and explained the reasons, then fine. The way decisions of significant importance are simply foisted upon the ordinary member isn't the right way. It's not democratic. To say that licence was given in principle at some other point in time is making excuses. You're starting to sound like one of the top table ! :) :)
( I've deliberately inserted 2 smileys so as not to cause offence ).
Serious question. Do you think that EVERY single decision of any importance needs to go through Congress? If so fair enough, but I disagree with you because I think that would be an absolute quagmire.
Do I think this one should have been debated at Congress? Maybe.
Do I think there is merit in establishing committees, given their terms of reference at congress and letting them make decisions according to their expertise? Absolutely.
Edit. BTW, I'm curious about this comment "We all know that the Sky deal won't be blocked in 2017 by a motion to Congress. ". Why do you think that is the case? If enough people around the country are up in arms about this, then I see no reason why a motion couldn't be brought to congress and if it has support, it will be passed. If you think it won't be blocked because most people will be happy with the deal, then what's the problem?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:37:56 AM
Serious question. Do you think that EVERY single decision of any importance needs to go through Congress? If so fair enough, but I disagree with you because I think that would be an absolute quagmire.
Do I think this one should have been debated at Congress? Maybe.
Do I think there is merit in establishing committees, given their terms of reference at congress and letting them make decisions according to their expertise? Absolutely.
I did say in my previous post that decisions of significant importance to the association should be given the blessing of Congress. Ok we might argue later ( as I already have ) that Congress only pass what they want to but at least it would shut boys like me up.
What I do know and you have touched on it in your most recent post, is that there is a better way.
I've a bee in my bonnet about this as I see the GAA at HQ level ( a bit like the church ) thinking that it can plough on, take us for granted, and put the head down and take decisions that they think are in our best interests without even canvassing opinion before hand. I don't want this great association which we love to fall apart through apathy etc as we get pissed off that it seems like we no longer have a say in the decisions they make. I know and appreciate that the top brass have one vote, the same as the next man but in practice we know that's not the case.
So a bit more communication and a smidgeen of honesty and transparency would give people like me less to complain about.
OK. I see what you mean, I just disagree with you :D
I've been critical of the GAA in the past on other things. Calling us Patrons did my head in, as did the nefarious way they went about banning the pitch invasion in Croke Park and specifically the glass barriers on the hill and their reaction to criticism of it. (Which quietly seems to be ignored in every single provincial venue. See Limerick hurling fans, Nowlan Park last Saturday etc). I had an email exchange with Croke Park on the very subject, specifically about the stewards removing a harmless banner from the Kildare fans that poked fun at them being 'fenced in', and I think my line was something like 'I love our games, but I'm starting to dislike our organisation'. In fairness I did get a reasoned email in response.
The thing that annoyed me that time was the patronising way we were spoken to, and the fact that it was spun one way, when everyone knew the main reason was the exposure to insurance issues.
So I know where you are coming from. However, I do believe that in general, Congress reflects the will of the membership, and while I see your point about this deal not specifically being mentioned at congress, I also see the point of establishing committees and letting them do their jobs. And if there is an issue with what those committees are doing, and there is a consensus about that, the congress avenue is open to every member of the GAA if they wish to try and gather support for their point of view.
Lets see what comes out of this review ow.ly/xRLZy (http://ow.ly/xRLZy)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 10:54:53 AM
OK. I see what you mean, I just disagree with you :D
I've been critical of the GAA in the past on other things. Calling us Patrons did my head in, as did the nefarious way they went about banning the pitch invasion in Croke Park and specifically the glass barriers on the hill and their reaction to criticism of it. (Which quietly seems to be ignored in every single provincial venue. See Limerick hurling fans, Nowlan Park last Saturday etc). I had an email exchange with Croke Park on the very subject, specifically about the stewards removing a harmless banner from the Kildare fans that poked fun at them being 'fenced in', and I think my line was something like 'I love our games, but I'm starting to dislike our organisation'. In fairness I did get a reasoned email in response.
The thing that annoyed me that time was the patronising way we were spoken to, and the fact that it was spun one way, when everyone knew the main reason was the exposure to insurance issues.
So I know where you are coming from. However, I do believe that in general, Congress reflects the will of the membership, and while I see your point about this deal not specifically being mentioned at congress, I also see the point of establishing committees and letting them do their jobs. And if there is an issue with what those committees are doing, and there is a consensus about that, the congress avenue is open to every member of the GAA if they wish to try and gather support for their point of view.
I suppose different things irk different people in different ways and to differing degrees. The comment about patrons did piss me off a bit but not as much as the way this Sky and other things were foisted upon us, some of which were mandated and some not.
But essentially, it is a great organisation and we love being part of it - but we don't like to be called patrons and we don't like being taken for granted. I think we can all agree on that.
It wasn't the comment about Patrons that annoyed me, it was what that conveyed about their view of the general population. I am not a patron, I am a member of the GAA. A group of 'me' IS the GAA.
Um, we've always been called patrons.
No we haven't. Piss off back to your american hurling ;D
Edit. That looks harsher than I meant. At that time, the president made it clear that we were paying customers and that was it. My take on it is that most of those people were a little bit more than that and deserved to be spoken to in a little less high handed manner.
I don't consider you a patron of the GAA, I consider you a part of the GAA. Understand where I'm coming from?
And the thing about it was I was generally in favour of at least changing the pitch invasion out of respect for our players.
The ticket collectors at the turnstiles don't stop to ask if you're a member or not. You might be a tourist or some random gulpin who happened to get a ticket, so they can't rightly refer to everyone in the stands as "members" when they might be no such thing.
When you pay money to go through the gate and attend a game, you're a patron. Always have been. I remember it clearly in the old Croke Park years ago when two lads climbed onto the roof of the Nally Stand and unfurled a banner saying "No Extradition." The announcer called over the tannoy numerous times "Would the two patrons on the roof of the Nally Stand please come down. you are endangering yourselves and other patrons."
Every time an announcement was made referring to the crowd it was "patron" this and "patron" that. The word "patron" appeared in the old programs too if I recall correctly. I have a good mind to dig them out next time I'm home.
People have gotten it into their heads that this word never appeared until Christy Cooney became president. They're completely incorrect. People attending GAA games have always been called patrons. Fact.
Christy Cooney was the first one to ever use the term in a manner that made it us v them. Who the f**k does he think makes up the GAA? Anyway it's years ago at this stage so not worth getting worked up about any more and it's not really relevant to this discussion.
Yes, let's get back on topic.
Until 1995 there were only six games a year on TV. Six. The all-Ireland semi finals and finals. When that was expanded the critics complained about how it was going to lead to empty stadiums and the GAA had betrayed its core principles. Now people are talking as if Michael Cusack's dying wish was for every game to be broadcast live on RTE.
What is it with people in the GAA and their inability to remember what actually happened?
Calm down AZ. We've been patrons for 70 or 80 years at this stage. ;D
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:08:12 PM
Yes, let's get back on topic.
Until 1995 there were only six games a year on TV. Six. The all-Ireland semi finals and finals. When that was expanded the critics complained about how it was going to lead to empty stadiums and the GAA had betrayed its core principles. Now people are talking as if Michael Cusack's dying wish was for every game to be broadcast live on RTE.
What is it with people in the GAA and their inability to remember what actually happened?
Agree with you on that one. Where's the outcry that rte didn't show cork Waterford etc. if every game was up for grabs, and rte were guaranteed first pick then it would be ideal in my view.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 11, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Calm down AZ. We've been patrons for 70 or 80 years at this stage. ;D
Grrrrr
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
Just watched the highlights show there - does what it says on the tin, without the need for shakalakaboombooming!!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
I would prefer the best games are free to air in Ireland.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 11, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Just watched the highlights show there - does what it says on the tin, without the need for shakalakaboombooming!!
I don't have Sky, so I tried to watch this on a free (Ok, pirate) stream. On that, Sky3 is showing cricket. Is the GAA highlights show only transmitted in Ireland?
Quote from: Hardy on June 11, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 11, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Just watched the highlights show there - does what it says on the tin, without the need for shakalakaboombooming!!
I don't have Sky, so I tried to watch this on a free (Ok, pirate) stream. On that, Sky3 is showing cricket. Is the GAA highlights show only transmitted in Ireland?
It's on again at 12am on Sky Sports 3, though I had Sky plussed it. I'm in England so it's not just on in Ireland.
No, cricket been shown over here too. I presume the cricket is live and as the 11pm GAA show is a repeat of an earlier one then they are staying with the cricket for some reason.
OK - thanks, both.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
I would prefer the best games are free to air in Ireland.
You know what'd be good? If all games were free to air everywhere. But the reality of the broadcasting market is that you have to build a viewing audience, and prove the concept of building the audience, before terrestrial channels will be interested in carrying the games.
Quote from: Hardy on June 11, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
OK - thanks, both.
Yes, the cricket is live, the planner is saying the Championship review is on at 12.30 now. It has been repeated 2 or 3 times now on Sky sports 3 and 4.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 12, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
I would prefer the best games are free to air in Ireland.
You know what'd be good? If all games were free to air everywhere. But the reality of the broadcasting market is that you have to build a viewing audience, and prove the concept of building the audience, before terrestrial channels will be interested in carrying the games.
The GAA already has a large audience in Ireland, far greater than it will ever get with the gougers Sky. It is part of the community in a way that it will never be with at the hands of Rupert Murdoch.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 12, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
I would prefer the best games are free to air in Ireland.
You know what'd be good? If all games were free to air everywhere. But the reality of the broadcasting market is that you have to build a viewing audience, and prove the concept of building the audience, before terrestrial channels will be interested in carrying the games.
The GAA already has a large audience in Ireland, far greater than it will ever get with the gougers Sky. It is part of the community in a way that it will never be with at the hands of Rupert Murdoch.
From a very personal point of view, I was delighted that, after travelling a 50 mile round trip to take a training session, I could come home, lie on my sofa and watch an hour long highlights package of pure football and hurling. I have never been able to this in the twelve years I have been making that journey as both player and coach and I for one feel that at last in some small way the GAA is fulfilling a gap in the market for me. Yes, some live games are on Premier Sports and I tape them all but I generally flick through as I don't have time to watch it all. It was nice to see highlights (although pretty brief) of Kildare v Louth and Clare v Waterford - games that never would be on Prem Sports. I couldn't care less about the "gougers" at Sky or Rupert Murdoch as I personally feel better off. And I do apologise, but I care little about the few people in Ireland who may not get to see the odd game - nobody in Ireland seemed too bothered about me for the last 12 years.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
but I care little about the few people in Ireland who may not get to see the odd game
That figures.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
The GAA already has a large audience in Ireland,
There you go again. Talking as if Ireland's the only country in the world.
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far greater than it will ever get with the gougers Sky.
Wrong. The GAA outside of Ireland has the potential to dwarf the GAA in Ireland.
QuoteWrong. The GAA outside of Ireland has the potential to dwarf the GAA in Ireland.
Is this desirable? Either the GAA is a novelty in other places, decorative but useless, or it becomes big as you say. All that would result from the latter is professionalism and the Boston Billionaires playing the Portland Plutocrats entirely outside the control of the GAA as we know it. Clubs might miss the odd player to the county game, but when any half decent player leaves to play for these empires entirely the impact would be much much worse.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 01:57:41 AM
QuoteWrong. The GAA outside of Ireland has the potential to dwarf the GAA in Ireland.
Is this desirable? Either the GAA is a novelty in other places, decorative but useless, or it becomes big as you say. All that would result from the latter is professionalism and the Boston Billionaires playing the Portland Plutocrats entirely outside the control of the GAA as we know it. Clubs might miss the odd player to the county game, but when any half decent player leaves to play for these empires entirely the impact would be much much worse.
Long story. I'm doing a revised edition of my book to deal with this scenario. The short answer is the GAA can keep control over the game, and a professional game wouldn't have to destroy the community ethos of the association if it's structured properly.
Quotebut when any half decent player leaves to play for these empires entirely the impact would be much much worse.
Well grassroots soccer the world over seems to be doing ok, they even have our famed volunteers and grass cutters. That won't happen anyway, a sport can be more than 'decorative but useless' while never being big in every country.
I don't understand where you're coming from at all armaghniac, there are a handful of games covered exclusively by Sky and while the TV rights packages for Sky and others may develop over the years there'll never be a time when the vast majority of games are not free to air in Ireland. On the other hand TV deals like the one with Sky help promote the GAA the world over and this can only help those of us who are trying to grow the game abroad. It seems like a win win to me.
I suspect some ( mainly north of the Black pigs dyke??) want the GAA to remain in a sort of a "ghettobubble" so as we can keep all them oul foreigners away from it.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 12, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
I suspect some ( mainly north of the Black pigs dyke??) want the GAA to remain in a sort of a "ghettobubble" so as we can keep all them oul foreigners away from it.
You may be right. Of course that doesn't include me, who was brought up south of the Black Pigs Dyke.
But I'd like to see more thought given into promoting the GAA in the many parts of the North where it is not popular, and this should be ranked above promotion in Spain or Korea.
But developing the GAA in areas of the North isn't hampered by efforts to develop the game in other parts of the world and the Sky deal certainly doesn't hamper it.
Quote from: Zulu on June 12, 2014, 12:25:03 PM
But developing the GAA in areas of the North isn't hampered by efforts to develop the game in other parts of the world and the Sky deal certainly doesn't hamper it.
Yes but in Armaghniac's world, money is being diverted from kids in Armagh to help promote football in Korea. Its hard to reason with this sort of logic.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 11:02:52 AM
But I'd like to see more thought given into promoting the GAA in the many parts of the North where it is not popular, and this should be ranked above promotion in Spain or Korea.
Why?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 12, 2014, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 11:02:52 AM
But I'd like to see more thought given into promoting the GAA in the many parts of the North where it is not popular, and this should be ranked above promotion in Spain or Korea.
Why?
The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, national-minded manhood.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 08:57:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 12, 2014, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 11:02:52 AM
But I'd like to see more thought given into promoting the GAA in the many parts of the North where it is not popular, and this should be ranked above promotion in Spain or Korea.
Why?
The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, national-minded manhood.
Sounds dated and ridiculous.
It won't help winning over those same people in Ireland that don't care (and in many areas detest) the GAA either.
Crazy that we're discussing the same things seven years on.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 12, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Why should RTE get first dibs? They do a reasonable job with hurling but their shock jock pundits in football are an embarrassment.
I would prefer the best games are free to air in Ireland.
You know what'd be good? If all games were free to air everywhere. But the reality of the broadcasting market is that you have to build a viewing audience, and prove the concept of building the audience, before terrestrial channels will be interested in carrying the games.
The GAA already has a large audience in Ireland, far greater than it will ever get with the gougers Sky. It is part of the community in a way that it will never be with at the hands of Rupert Murdoch.
From a very personal point of view, I was delighted that, after travelling a 50 mile round trip to take a training session, I could come home, lie on my sofa and watch an hour long highlights package of pure football and hurling. I have never been able to this in the twelve years I have been making that journey as both player and coach and I for one feel that at last in some small way the GAA is fulfilling a gap in the market for me. Yes, some live games are on Premier Sports and I tape them all but I generally flick through as I don't have time to watch it all. It was nice to see highlights (although pretty brief) of Kildare v Louth and Clare v Waterford - games that never would be on Prem Sports. I couldn't care less about the "gougers" at Sky or Rupert Murdoch as I personally feel better off. And I do apologise, but I care little about the few people in Ireland who may not get to see the odd game - nobody in Ireland seemed too bothered about me for the last 12 years.
Could they not have done that by just allowing the rte player to be available outside Ireland??
Yes, possibly, I'm only speaking on a personal level, but don't want to have to get my laptop out, plug it into the TV and watch stop, start buffering coverage of my football and hurling - is it really too much to ask to be able to watch it on your own TV? Would people in Ireland be happy with only online coverage?
Quote from: Syferus on June 12, 2014, 09:06:46 PM
Sounds dated and ridiculous.
It won't help winning over those same people in Ireland that don't care (and in many areas detest) the GAA either.
Yup. It's insular and small minded. Unambitious. Defeatist. Weak.
We're capable of a lot more.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2014, 11:53:10 PM
Yes, possibly, I'm only speaking on a personal level, but don't want to have to get my laptop out, plug it into the TV and watch stop, start buffering coverage of my football and hurling - is it really too much to ask to be able to watch it on your own TV? Would people in Ireland be happy with only online coverage?
The GAA should send Rachel Wyse to your house to get the TV turned on and correctly adjusted, a cold beer ready and maybe an sandwich.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 13, 2014, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2014, 11:53:10 PM
Yes, possibly, I'm only speaking on a personal level, but don't want to have to get my laptop out, plug it into the TV and watch stop, start buffering coverage of my football and hurling - is it really too much to ask to be able to watch it on your own TV? Would people in Ireland be happy with only online coverage?
The GAA should send Rachel Wyse to your house to get the TV turned on and correctly adjusted, a cold beer ready and maybe an sandwich.
Carlsberg don't do GAA coverage but if they did?.....
Quote from: armaghniac on June 13, 2014, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2014, 11:53:10 PM
Yes, possibly, I'm only speaking on a personal level, but don't want to have to get my laptop out, plug it into the TV and watch stop, start buffering coverage of my football and hurling - is it really too much to ask to be able to watch it on your own TV? Would people in Ireland be happy with only online coverage?
The GAA should send Rachel Wyse to your house to get the TV turned on and correctly adjusted, a cold beer ready and maybe an sandwich.
Sounds good me. Or they could save any money spent overseas and send everyone in Ireland a taxi to bring them to every match as it's their God given right to see every game that's played in Ireland just because they happen to live on there.
I presume Rachel Wyse will be in the back of this taxi??
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 13, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
I presume Rachel Wyse will be in the back of this taxi??
Sorry, she's at my house sorting the beers.
No comments this time round. Guess the novelty is worn already.
Wait until they start the football, the site will probably explode! Thought it was only ok but the match wasn't great so I suppose there wasn't much they could do. It'll be interesting once they get to CP.
I see Des is still calling for suggestions tonight for the Sunday Game Word game. ::)
Des seems a bit simple
Des word game it ridiculous. wouldnt be as bad if he used a bit of imaginatuon to slip the word in , but he just comes out with a random word at a random time. grow up des.
Would be funny if you were 14 but not as anchor on main GAA show.
I watched it, and the way I would sum it up so far is that they are good, way better than RTE, on the presentation of the game and their analysis style. However, the TV3 commentators are no better than RTE, and I think they should look at that. Also, in fairness to them, the games they've got have been fairly low key so far, compared to the Clare v Cork, Cork v Waterford and Tipp v Limerick that RTE had first dibs on.
Numbers in Ireland will never be comparable to RTE, because at the end of the day, they have less TVs with Sky than have RTE, so I'm more interested in the job they are doing on it, and so far I've been happy with them.
Regarding numbers in England, I'd expect it to grow over time, but you're not going to get millions tuning in for the first few games, especially when a World Cup is going on.
Quote from: roney on June 16, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
An average of 14,700 viewers tuned in to see Dublin overcome Wexford in Saturday's Leinster hurling semi-final at Wexford Park, a drastic drop from the 32,000 average they had for Kilkenny's facile victory over Offaly.
When you consider that 13,943 people went through the turnstiles at Wexford Park, as many people went to the game as watched it on Sky.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/exclusive-sky-sports-gaa-viewership-slumps-to-14700-30357920.html#sthash.q95HpImW.dpuf
Does this include those who watch in pubs or Sky plus it or watch on Sky Go or catch up? I've Sky plussed it and plan to watch it tonight when my kid goes to bed. So add one more to that figure there.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2014, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: roney on June 16, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
An average of 14,700 viewers tuned in to see Dublin overcome Wexford in Saturday's Leinster hurling semi-final at Wexford Park, a drastic drop from the 32,000 average they had for Kilkenny's facile victory over Offaly.
When you consider that 13,943 people went through the turnstiles at Wexford Park, as many people went to the game as watched it on Sky.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/exclusive-sky-sports-gaa-viewership-slumps-to-14700-30357920.html#sthash.q95HpImW.dpuf
Does this include those who watch in pubs or Sky plus it or watch on Sky Go or catch up? I've Sky plussed it and plan to watch it tonight when my kid goes to bed. So add one more to that figure there.
This is the relevant audience, it doesn't include those abroad in any case.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 16, 2014, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2014, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: roney on June 16, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
An average of 14,700 viewers tuned in to see Dublin overcome Wexford in Saturday's Leinster hurling semi-final at Wexford Park, a drastic drop from the 32,000 average they had for Kilkenny's facile victory over Offaly.
When you consider that 13,943 people went through the turnstiles at Wexford Park, as many people went to the game as watched it on Sky.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/exclusive-sky-sports-gaa-viewership-slumps-to-14700-30357920.html#sthash.q95HpImW.dpuf
Does this include those who watch in pubs or Sky plus it or watch on Sky Go or catch up? I've Sky plussed it and plan to watch it tonight when my kid goes to bed. So add one more to that figure there.
This is the relevant audience, it doesn't include those abroad in any case.
Ah right - so nobody in Ireland has access to any of these facilities. ::) My brother was doing the same thing so I hope he's added to the figures tonight. He still lives in Ireland so you probably don't mind him watching it.
In viewing comparisons they will want to compare like with like. In previous years Setanta showed all the games during the week and some people watched them then, I certainly did.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 16, 2014, 04:03:47 PM
Regarding numbers in England, I'd expect it to grow over time, but you're not going to get millions tuning in for the first few games, especially when a World Cup is going on.
They'll never get 'millions'. In terms of the native British I can imagine a fair few will watch a game or two for the novelty but as far as anyone gaining a serious long-term, in depth interest in the GAA due to Sky Sports coverage and then deciding it's a must-have part of their TV package?? Negligible I'd say.
Sky are only interested in new subscriptions. The people they are targeting are the likes of me. Long term (or semi-long term) settled in the UK, native Irish who view GAA as their number 1 sports. I don't have Sky as I don't watch trash on the telly for recreation yet now they have effectively secured the rights to live GAA in Britain I have a choice to make. Subscribe to Sky so I can watch the GAA or continue to be a non-subscriber and miss out. The business end of the championships is exclusive to Sky in the UK so it is effectively Sky or nothing. No online option, no nothing. SkySports sub or f**k off. Irish diaspora in the UK shafted so the GAA can spout some pipe-dream bolox about "expanding our games worldwide".
I obviously will not be joining them but I'm sure there's a few on the fence who might just deem this addition 'worth it'. There will be some in Ireland too. And more a few years down the line when they get some exclusive 'big' games. Then ye won't all be so delighted and harping on about the 'quality of punditry' when you can't actually see the friggin game itself without setting up some nonsense, extortionate thousand-channel 'package'.
Quote from: Ringfort on June 16, 2014, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 16, 2014, 04:03:47 PM
Regarding numbers in England, I'd expect it to grow over time, but you're not going to get millions tuning in for the first few games, especially when a World Cup is going on.
They'll never get 'millions'. In terms of the native British I can imagine a fair few will watch a game or two for the novelty but as far as anyone gaining a serious long-term, in depth interest in the GAA due to Sky Sports coverage and then deciding it's a must-have part of their TV package?? Negligible I'd say.
Sky are only interested in new subscriptions. The people they are targeting are the likes of me. Long term (or semi-long term) settled in the UK, native Irish who view GAA as their number 1 sports. I don't have Sky as I don't watch trash on the telly for recreation yet now they have effectively secured the rights to live GAA in Britain I have a choice to make. Subscribe to Sky so I can watch the GAA or continue to be a non-subscriber and miss out. The business end of the championships is exclusive to Sky in the UK so it is effectively Sky or nothing. No online option, no nothing. SkySports sub or f**k off. Irish diaspora in the UK shafted so the GAA can spout some pipe-dream bolox about "expanding our games worldwide".
I obviously will not be joining them but I'm sure there's a few on the fence who might just deem this addition 'worth it'. There will be some in Ireland too. And more a few years down the line when they get some exclusive 'big' games. Then ye won't all be so delighted and harping on about the 'quality of punditry' when you can't actually see the friggin game itself without setting up some nonsense, extortionate thousand-channel 'package'.
Where did you watch it before Sky?
Last year, PremSports £9.99 a month for all games. That was some cheap-arse channel that did not work 100% of the time but at least it was all in one place and was clean and simple to subscribe to. 'Progress' this year is £60 for GaaGo for one block of games, then whatever it would be to get Sky up and running for the rest, and crucially - the semis and finals are Sky only.
I do not mind at all having to pay to watch the games. I live aboad, I cannot expect them for free, but a decent one-stop webstreaming service is all we require, like the rest of the world are getting. I would pay $110 or whatever it is for it, no problem. Yet getting a full Sky installation with the premiums on top for the Sports channels is what we are looking at now.
In years gone by we had Setanta and various means of getting RTE on in the Irish pubs. The web wasn't that advanced so we made do. But now we can have a web based subscription channel - in fact - we DO!! Its called GAAGO but in Britain it finishes at the QF stage cos Sky have a block on it as they are showing the games on their extortionate subscription channel. A sign of things to come back home?
Quote from: Ringfort on June 16, 2014, 10:53:19 PM
Last year, PremSports £9.99 a month for all games. That was some cheap-arse channel that did not work 100% of the time but at least it was all in one place and was clean and simple to subscribe to. 'Progress' this year is £60 for GaaGo for one block of games, then whatever it would be to get Sky up and running for the rest, and crucially - the semis and finals are Sky only.
I do not mind at all having to pay to watch the games. I live aboad, I cannot expect them for free, but a decent one-stop webstreaming service is all we require, like the rest of the world are getting. I would pay $110 or whatever it is for it, no problem. Yet getting a full Sky installation with the premiums on top for the Sports channels is what we are looking at now.
In years gone by we had Setanta and various means of getting RTE on in the Irish pubs. The web wasn't that advanced so we made do. But now we can have a web based subscription channel - in fact - we DO!! Its called GAAGO but in Britain it finishes at the QF stage cos Sky have a block on it as they are showing the games on their extortionate subscription channel. A sign of things to come back home?
On what platform did you watch premier sports? I assume if you watched it on your TV on either Virgin or Sky then installation of Sky is not needed to get the Sky sports. It may cost a bit more for a month or two - which is not ideal, but its cheaper than going to the pub. (£22 per month minus the £9.99 from cancelling Premier Sports) Alternatively, get the Sky sports app for £9.99 per month and cancel Premier when their games end.
I just got PremSports direct on the laptop and ipad. Never watched it on TV. They've lost the rights to online streaming now. I have Virgin for TV and Internet but the TV is the most basic channels. Can you add just PremSports only to that without having to have all the other stations first?? Getting that would be the way to go as they appear to show both RTE and Sky games, I think.....
Damn this is getting confusing.... :-\
What's the SkySports app ? - do you have to have a Sky account already to add this or can you just get it for 9.99 a month on the ipad and you are good to go watching games?
You can see I'm not much of TV/technology guy ;D
As far as I know you just need the Sky App and can pay £9.99 for it and watch it on your iPad. Premier Sports can just be added as a stand alone channel without any others, but not sure if they still have semi final and final rights now though.
Cheers BennyHarp. I actually don't think I have Virgin for TV , must be just for the internet. Switched it on there and couldn't see any sign of it being Virgin. FFS where's the wife when you need her :o ;D
So that's PremSports as a stand alone out the window. Will look into this app business and hopefully it will allow me to see the climax to the championship at least and I might pay the 60 for the GAAGO games yet. It's not a terrible price.
I understand most people are covered through already having Sky and/or close proximity to a decent public house but for me it's an overly complicated backward step from last year added to the fact that in its first year with them the GAA have allowed Sky a virtual monopoly on August/September games in the UK which is a very negative step in my opinion and perhaps a sign of things to come. Their ethos is from a different universe and not worth it just so the likes of the cringeworthy Des Cahill and Martin Carney can be marginalised.
When s the highlights show.
Quote from: rrhf on June 17, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
When s the highlights show.
Tonight at 7pm on Sky Sports 4 or 10pm on Sky Sports 3.
Anyone know what first round qualifer match Sky are showing? On GAA.ie it says that RTE are showing Laois v Fermanagh on Saturday. I thought RTE didn't have qualifer games?
I think that's the GaaGo thing?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on June 18, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 17, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
When s the highlights show.
Tonight at 7pm on Sky Sports 4 or 10pm on Sky Sports 3.
Anyone know what first round qualifer match Sky are showing? On GAA.ie it says that RTE are showing Laois v Fermanagh on Saturday. I thought RTE didn't have qualifer games?
Live on Rte.
Anyone watched the Sky Sports highlights show? Any good?
Believe RTE are going back to the Breaking Ball format. FINALLY.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 19, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
Anyone watched the Sky Sports highlights show? Any good?
Believe RTE are going back to the Breaking Ball format. FINALLY.
It does what it says on the tin Croi, it shows a decent hour long highlights package of the weekends matches with no studio discussion. Not revolutionary but at least it's got plenty of action and no pundits.
Anyone complaining about the pundits on the highlight shows clearly aren't watching the highlight shows.
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2014, 06:01:16 PM
Anyone complaining about the pundits on the highlight shows clearly aren't watching the highlight shows.
Very profound!
Sky sports have the Tipp v Kil/Gal qualifier game.
now the shit will hit the fan. the causal fan mostly
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 19, 2014, 05:59:16 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 19, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
Anyone watched the Sky Sports highlights show? Any good?
Believe RTE are going back to the Breaking Ball format. FINALLY.
It does what it says on the tin Croi, it shows a decent hour long highlights package of the weekends matches with no studio discussion. Not revolutionary but at least it's got plenty of action and no pundits.
So same as GAA 2014 on Monday nights on TG4 then?
More or less but without any Minor or U21s or the like.
Thanks lads. Not missing much by the sounds of it.
So, we've had a few weeks of GAA on sky. Apart from a few tweets reported in the papers, has there been any indication of an increase in regular viewings within the UK. This was we were told the whole point, to grow viewership internationally.
Tweets aside I don't see anything in terms of interest on sports forums nor has the UK media picked up on it.
Still too soon?
Too soon. Expect a few fluff pieces when the games get more important..
Quote from: thejuice on July 07, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
So, we've had a few weeks of GAA on sky. Apart from a few tweets reported in the papers, has there been any indication of an increase in regular viewings within the UK. This was we were told the whole point, to grow viewership internationally.
Tweets aside I don't see anything in terms of interest on sports forums nor has the UK media picked up on it.
Still too soon?
::) 2 months?? Yes.
Start looking in a decade.
Christ, I wasn't expecting it to be the national sport already, just curious if there had been any evidence of it generating interest beyond a few tweets.
Lots of the clubs over here promote it to their membership and that will increase as the really interesting games start later in the summer. It will take time, probably years, to develop an audience outside of the Irish but it will increase IMO.
Sky showing Tipp v Offaly next Saturday at 7pm. An odd choice considering it could well be the worst game of the weekend in either code. I presume fixing it at 7pm on Saturday evening was done after consultation with Sky?
That whole 'Let's see what the Brits think about us' stuff on Twitter is a bit cringeworthy.
Who cares if some lad in Kent reckons hurling is like a cross between quidditch and wrestling.
Sky: Tipp v Galway ave viewers 34,000 share 2.8%
RTE: Clare v Wexford ave viewers 203,000 share 25%
RTE: Dublin v Kilkenny ave viewers 385,000 share 36%
That's a pretty big jump for Sky on the previous few games though, which averaged 18,000 I think. Only their first game reached those kinds of figures and it'll be interesting what the figures for the QF, SF and finals will be like her in Britain.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2014, 04:20:12 PM
That whole 'Let's see what the Brits think about us' stuff on Twitter is a bit cringeworthy.
Who cares if some lad in Kent reckons hurling is like a cross between quidditch and wrestling.
Those articles are rather useless and annoying. Which is why I'm asking for any more concrete indicators of interest.
But the UK is the target audience of this sky move so it would be good to know what the Brits think, and not just some need for validation from them.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2014, 04:20:12 PM
That whole 'Let's see what the Brits think about us' stuff on Twitter is a bit cringeworthy.
Who cares if some lad in Kent reckons hurling is like a cross between quidditch and wrestling.
Tell me about it. I've been getting comments like that on my YouTube channel for years.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Sky: Tipp v Galway ave viewers 34,000 share 2.8%
RTE: Clare v Wexford ave viewers 203,000 share 25%
RTE: Dublin v Kilkenny ave viewers 385,000 share 36%
Its early days for SKY...same as when they took on soccer in the 90s. It will grow but the real benefit will be that BBC, RTE will all have to up their games....the standard of broadcasting of GAA is appalling, (with BBC its the poor camera work and lack of insight...adn RTE is the absolutely redundant analysis) - Sky should force them all to get better...
not wanting to antagonise a Galway man but are the other 2 games possibly "better" match ups?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 08, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Sky: Tipp v Galway ave viewers 34,000 share 2.8%
RTE: Clare v Wexford ave viewers 203,000 share 25%
RTE: Dublin v Kilkenny ave viewers 385,000 share 36%
Its early days for SKY...same as when they took on soccer in the 90s. It will grow but the real benefit will be that BBC, RTE will all have to up their games....the standard of broadcasting of GAA is appalling, (with BBC its the poor camera work and lack of insight...adn RTE is the absolutely redundant analysis) - Sky should force them all to get better...
not wanting to antagonise a Galway man but are the other 2 games possibly "better" match ups?
Well Dublin are because they are Dublin and have by far the biggest population.
All things being equal though I think Tipp v Galway would have attracted more viewers than Clare v Wexford were they on the same channel.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 08, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Sky: Tipp v Galway ave viewers 34,000 share 2.8%
RTE: Clare v Wexford ave viewers 203,000 share 25%
RTE: Dublin v Kilkenny ave viewers 385,000 share 36%
Its early days for SKY...same as when they took on soccer in the 90s. It will grow but the real benefit will be that BBC, RTE will all have to up their games....the standard of broadcasting of GAA is appalling, (with BBC its the poor camera work and lack of insight...adn RTE is the absolutely redundant analysis) - Sky should force them all to get better...
not wanting to antagonise a Galway man but are the other 2 games possibly "better" match ups?
That's a theory. Were TV3 not providing competition and raising standards? Are the commentators or the pundits any better on Sky than they were on TV3? Possibly now you are paying a small fortune to listen to them, you have that purchaser's stockholm syndrome? :)
TV3's coverage of their package of GAA matches, by any standards of measurement was a resounding success.
Their viewing figures were on the up and up, in 2013 they had an average of 313,000 per game.
Now Sky have that package and we have plenty of spin to fill in the gap between 30,000 and 300,000.
But sure while there might be 270000 less Irish watching it, what about all those British people? The GAA can't be seen to favour Irish people, except for fundraising and getting players and that kind of thing.
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 08, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Sky: Tipp v Galway ave viewers 34,000 share 2.8%
RTE: Clare v Wexford ave viewers 203,000 share 25%
RTE: Dublin v Kilkenny ave viewers 385,000 share 36%
Its early days for SKY...same as when they took on soccer in the 90s. It will grow but the real benefit will be that BBC, RTE will all have to up their games....the standard of broadcasting of GAA is appalling, (with BBC its the poor camera work and lack of insight...adn RTE is the absolutely redundant analysis) - Sky should force them all to get better...
not wanting to antagonise a Galway man but are the other 2 games possibly "better" match ups?
That's a theory. Were TV3 not providing competition and raising standards? Are the commentators or the pundits any better on Sky than they were on TV3? Possibly now you are paying a small fortune to listen to them, you have that purchaser's stockholm syndrome? :)
TV3's coverage of their package of GAA matches, by any standards of measurement was a resounding success.
Their viewing figures were on the up and up, in 2013 they had an average of 313,000 per game.
Now Sky have that package and we have plenty of spin to fill in the gap between 30,000 and 300,000.
TV3 wasn't available for me in Belfast, so SKY is a better option regardless - even though I hate Murdoch, but its not about my view. SKY have a serious pedigree in sport broadcasting...much better than anything else on the island. They changed the shape of football, rugby, snooker and darts....if they can do the same with GAA is up or debate, but their presence will make RTE get their act together....its noticeable that they have already chafed the presentation of some of their stats etc...the BBC in the meantime have Thomas Kane walking into the middle of the pitch with Oisin Mconville and then back to the sideline again, which is in itself a change of tact, but hardly life changing for the viewer. Certainly awkward for the two men.
Its a hard call on audiences - TV is about content, and SKY will never have the BEST GAMES (thats another debate, i know) and so will never be able to go like-for-like with RTE in terms of share of voice etc, but it will shake it up, and the GAA and the fans should be the winners in the long term.
Once the theme tune for the Sunday Game finishes, its all down hill from there - Brolly, Spillane? I'vehad enough...
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2014, 12:06:05 PM
But sure while there might be 270000 less Irish watching it, what about all those British people? The GAA can't be seen to favour Irish people, except for fundraising and getting players and that kind of thing.
No you're right, Ireland is facing armageddon since Sky started showing a few matches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiPUjGNTi24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiPUjGNTi24)
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2014, 12:06:05 PM
But sure while there might be 270000 less Irish watching it, what about all those British people? The GAA can't be seen to favour Irish people, except for fundraising and getting players and that kind of thing.
Have you got a HD tv?
I do have a HD TV, although I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread. ???
Quote from: armaghniac on July 10, 2014, 10:16:11 AM
I do have a HD TV, although I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread. ???
So do most people but they wont be included in the figures for watching Sky. So i'd be a little bit wary when quoting your numbers for viewing figures.
I don't think it's that you have a HDTV Benny, I think it's if you have Sky HD.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
I don't think it's that you have a HDTV Benny, I think it's if you have Sky HD.
I know - but anyone with SKY HD isnt included in the figures. Id say most people with a HD tv and sky will watch on HD?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 10, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
I don't think it's that you have a HDTV Benny, I think it's if you have Sky HD.
I know - but anyone with SKY HD isnt included in the figures. Id say most people with a HD tv and sky will watch on HD?
Its not as simple as that Benny, you have to pay extra to have the SKY HD subscription.
I have a HD TV
I have sky,
but i dont get the sky HD channels, just the free to air HD ones like BBC, RTE etc
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 10, 2014, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 10, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
I don't think it's that you have a HDTV Benny, I think it's if you have Sky HD.
I know - but anyone with SKY HD isnt included in the figures. Id say most people with a HD tv and sky will watch on HD?
Its not as simple as that Benny, you have to pay extra to have the SKY HD subscription.
I have a HD TV
I have sky,
but i dont get the sky HD channels, just the free to air HD ones like BBC, RTE etc
Fair enough - but i'd still say there is a significant number of people who are not being counted in these figures, alongside those who watch on catch up, Sky plus and even on Sky Go. My point is that its not as simple as saying 270000 haven't been able to watch the matches due to it being on sky.
No, but if these other media are comparable with Sky as counted then it is a case of 240,000 not watching it. Not hugely different.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 10, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
No, but if these other media are comparable with Sky as counted then it is a case of 240,000 not watching it. Not hugely different.
Where have you got this adjusted figure from?
I think the naysayers need to start looking at the longer term potential of this relationship, rather than the immediate response.
Sky has 4-5 channels completely dedicated to sport. They need sport to fill those channels.
RTE can't jam much more GAA coverage onto its two channels, and certainly not live GAA.
TV3, apart from being a moribund channel, are never going to have the finances to take a punt on rolling out and leading the way on mass GAA coverage, especially when it's so much easier and (I'd guess) more profitable to syndicate rubbish reality TV from the UK.
TG4 (I imagine) would be breaking all sorts of their Irish language remits if they dramatically uplifted their focus on sport, plus they've the same financial quandary as TV3 in that they can't afford to be the ones putting fixed multi-angle transmission units in dozens of grounds, and sending rolling units around the country on big days.
So if we, as the GAA loving population, want increased GAA coverage on the box, we need to go down some sort of pay-per-view route. For the life of me I can't see how there's a better route for this than Sky TV.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 10, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
I think the naysayers need to start looking at the longer term potential of this relationship, rather than the immediate response.
Sky has 4-5 channels completely dedicated to sport. They need sport to fill those channels.
RTE can't jam much more GAA coverage onto its two channels, and certainly not live GAA.
TV3, apart from being a moribund channel, are never going to have the finances to take a punt on rolling out and leading the way on mass GAA coverage, especially when it's so much easier and (I'd guess) more profitable to syndicate rubbish reality TV from the UK.
TG4 (I imagine) would be breaking all sorts of their Irish language remits if they dramatically uplifted their focus on sport, plus they've the same financial quandary as TV3 in that they can't afford to be the ones putting fixed multi-angle transmission units in dozens of grounds, and sending rolling units around the country on big days.
So if we, as the GAA loving population, want increased GAA coverage on the box, we need to go down some sort of pay-per-view route. For the life of me I can't see how there's a better route for this than Sky TV.
Yes this
exactly this.
In the long run i expect to see an INCREASE in GAA shown live on tv, which can only be a good thing
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 10, 2014, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 10, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
No, but if these other media are comparable with Sky as counted then it is a case of 240,000 not watching it. Not hugely different.
Where have you got this adjusted figure from?
The original calculation envisaged Sky having 30,000 viewers, if there is a similar number on these other modes then that reduces the gap by 30,000.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 10, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
I think the naysayers need to start looking at the longer term potential of this relationship, rather than the immediate response.
Sky has 4-5 channels completely dedicated to sport. They need sport to fill those channels.
RTE can't jam much more GAA coverage onto its two channels, and certainly not live GAA.
RTÉ has 5 channels on Saorview, now there are some regulatory restrictions on these but the GAA should lobby for these to be changed. It is not only about live GAA, many people here attend games and would also like deferred showing of games, extended highlight programmes and the like.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 10, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
TV3, apart from being a moribund channel, are never going to have the finances to take a punt on rolling out and leading the way on mass GAA coverage, especially when it's so much easier and (I'd guess) more profitable to syndicate rubbish reality TV from the UK.
With UTVIreland starting the GAA should try to get these channels to feature some GAA. Some lateral thinking is needed.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 10, 2014, 02:16:43 PMTG4 (I imagine) would be breaking all sorts of their Irish language remits if they dramatically uplifted their focus on sport, plus they've the same financial quandary as TV3 in that they can't afford to be the ones putting fixed multi-angle transmission units in dozens of grounds, and sending rolling units around the country on big days.
Once again, some innovative thinking on camera pools and the like.
So on top of everything else the Gaa should get TV stations to change government legislation and how they run their business? I'd argue the Gaa should do business with a TV company that can do the job and have the means to expand the Gaa can base rather than trying to lobby governments, lobby UTV and organise camera sharing for tg4 and rte.
Quote from: Zulu on July 10, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
So on top of everything else the Gaa should get TV stations to change government legislation and how they run their business? I'd argue the Gaa should do business with a TV company that can do the job and have the means to expand the Gaa can base rather than trying to lobby governments, lobby UTV and organise camera sharing for tg4 and rte.
The GAA should do things that allow the people of Ireland watch GAA, if government legislation inhibits TV companies doing this then the GAA should use any influence it has to alter this. It should not just take the handy way because it is easier.
The people of Ireland can watch the vast majority of games on RTE.
I think the point is, free to air tv has a saturation point of maybe 40-50 games a year, that a combination of free to air and pay per view TV would not have, so in the long run we could end up with the 30 or so RTE games plus maybe the same again at least games on sky ( a hell of alot more gaa coverage than we have at the minute)
Now this may never happen, but i think it is at least worth exploring
Quote from: armaghniac on July 10, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 10, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
So on top of everything else the Gaa should get TV stations to change government legislation and how they run their business? I'd argue the Gaa should do business with a TV company that can do the job and have the means to expand the Gaa can base rather than trying to lobby governments, lobby UTV and organise camera sharing for tg4 and rte.
The GAA should do things that allow the people of Ireland watch GAA, if government legislation inhibits TV companies doing this then the GAA should use any influence it has to alter this. It should not just take the handy way because it is easier.
As AZ said they can watch the majority of games and I'd prefer the GAA focus on GAA affairs and deal with companies that can deliver for them rather than wasting their time trying to bend companies to suit a small % of their agenda. Sure the GAA reduced the amount of games on TV previously without the amount of moaning a few people have come out with.
This deal is very good for those of us trying to spread the games in Britain and is a small price to pay for Irish based GAA fans
The point is that the vast majority of games are not on RTE, unless you count 3 minutes on the Sunday game. And I do not see why the people of Ireland should be levied for the benefit of British people or how this squares with the objectives of the GAA.
Quote
With UTVIreland starting the GAA should try to get these channels to feature some GAA. Some lateral thinking is needed.
You call it lateral thinking. I call it daydreaming, or at least blindly ignoring reality.
UTVIreland is a TV3 clone that will eventually see TV3 closed. Sport, and Gaelic sport will only ever form a small part of their strategy, no matter how nicely the GAA ask. UTV won't invest in the infrastructure and resources needed. And nor should they - they've got shareholders to please, and repeats of Who Wants to be a Millionaire will gain them low-risk profit forever.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 10, 2014, 05:36:10 PM
The point is that the vast majority of games are not on RTE, unless you count 3 minutes on the Sunday game. And I do not see why the people of Ireland should be levied for the benefit of British people or how this squares with the objectives of the GAA.
The point, which you keep ignoring, is that the ONLY way a majority of games, let alone a vast majority of games, is going to be covered on television, is if a dedicated sports channel picks them up.
QuoteThe point is that the vast majority of games are not on RTE, unless you count 3 minutes on the Sunday game.
As wobbler points out, they show they vast majority of televised games are likely unwilling to show many more. Can you explain how showing the games not currently shown would be economically worthwhile for RTE? I doubt very much RTE are willing or able to do it.
QuoteAnd I do not see why the people of Ireland should be levied for the benefit of British people or how this squares with the objectives of the GAA.
It squares with their objectives of spreading the games beyond Ireland.
There are 61 games in the SFCs ( plus 2 or 3 replays annually) and about 18/20 serious SHC games.
An awful lot of them are NOT live on any station.
Does anyone believe that dropping the Sky deal will get all those games on Terrestrial TV?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 06:46:36 PM
There are 61 games in the SFCs ( plus 2 or 3 replays annually) and about 18/20 serious SHC games.
An awful lot of them are NOT live on any station.
Does anyone believe that dropping the Sky deal will get all those games on Terrestrial TV?
An awful lot of them won't generate any interest outside the two counties involved so there is no real point or demand for them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
The people of Ireland can watch the vast majority of games on RTE.
That's all fine if you're an Offaly man and easy to say, it doesn't hurt you but there are plenty of people who can't get to see their county play in a 2nd round championship game but would have caught it FTA on a TV3 package. Plus the wider audience, some >300,000 who would have watched the game.
300,000 v 30,000 is an absolute whitewash, it's Kilkenny hurlers v Kilkenny footballers. Spin just can't put clothes on that one.
Then where's this going, you think Sky will be content with a minor package of exclusivity in Ireland? Is there a precedent for Sky being content with a junior partner role? The end game for Sky has to be to increase their package of exclusive live games in Ireland.
There is no point to their getting involved unless this is part of their picture.
Tolerating a small package would be the equivalent of U2 on a world tour being content with playing the little clubs, cramming in 20 truckloads of a sound system inside.
Sky will look at the new subscriptions gained and also Sky internet and make their calculations, then they will want more games.
And Sky's offer will make great sense and plenty of people explaining why it's good for us and the GAA and others will swear blind that really the TV3 commentators sound so professional on Sky and Peter Cavanagh just sounds so much more incisive than he did on TV3 :D
In all likelihood, you will have to revise your position when the majority of games will no longer be on Rte.
Ah Main Street, won't somebody think of the poor British children.
The Queen would go apeshit if she couldn't watch the hurling.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 09, 2014, 12:37:26 PM
Its a hard call on audiences - TV is about content, and SKY will never have the BEST GAMES (thats another debate, i know) and so will never be able to go like-for-like with RTE
They already have the BEST GAMES in Britain. Worldwide have the GAAGO service right up to AI final day. Us in Britain have it cut off at the AIQF stages as SKY have been given exclusivity. This is the real issue, not the few lower profile games they have earlier in the summer. Its a dangerous precedent and Ireland could be next.
Quote from: Main Street on July 11, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
The people of Ireland can watch the vast majority of games on RTE.
That's all fine if you're an Offaly man and easy to say, it doesn't hurt you but there are plenty of people who can't get to see their county play in a 2nd round championship game but would have caught it FTA on a TV3 package. Plus the wider audience, some >300,000 who would have watched the game.
300,000 v 30,000 is an absolute whitewash, it's Kilkenny hurlers v Kilkenny footballers. Spin just can't put clothes on that one.
Then where's this going, you think Sky will be content with a minor package of exclusivity in Ireland? Is there a precedent for Sky being content with a junior partner role? The end game for Sky has to be to increase their package of exclusive live games in Ireland.
There is no point to their getting involved unless this is part of their picture.
Tolerating a small package would be the equivalent of U2 on a world tour being content with playing the little clubs, cramming in 20 truckloads of a sound system inside.
Sky will look at the new subscriptions gained and also Sky internet and make their calculations, then they will want more games.
And Sky's offer will make great sense and plenty of people explaining why it's good for us and the GAA and others will swear blind that really the TV3 commentators sound so professional on Sky and Peter Cavanagh just sounds so much more incisive than he did on TV3 :D
In all likelihood, you will have to revise your position when the majority of games will no longer be on Rte.
What sky want is immaterial if the GAA don't want to sell them rights. Would you be happy if the GAA gave them all the games that are not shown anywhere at all at the moment?
And I'm not sure what being from Offaly has to do with it. Offaly are already on sky and are on again this week for some reason, so that's 2 games that directly impact Offaly.
Quote from: Ringfort on July 11, 2014, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 09, 2014, 12:37:26 PM
Its a hard call on audiences - TV is about content, and SKY will never have the BEST GAMES (thats another debate, i know) and so will never be able to go like-for-like with RTE
They already have the BEST GAMES in Britain. Worldwide have the GAAGO service right up to AI final day. Us in Britain have it cut off at the AIQF stages as SKY have been given exclusivity. This is the real issue, not the few lower profile games they have earlier in the summer. Its a dangerous precedent and Ireland could be next.
Pretty sure Premier Sports are still able to show the QF, SF and finals over here.
QuoteAh Main Street, won't somebody think of the poor British children.
Sure who has the time to worry about British kids when we can't even sleep worrying about poor Irish farmers in the arse end of nowhere who haven't got sky?
QuoteThen where's this going, you think Sky will be content with a minor package of exclusivity in Ireland? Is there a precedent for Sky being content with a junior partner role?
Are sky the the primary broadcasters of speedway, netball, basketball, hockey or ice hockey in every market where sky TV is available? GAA is a summer filler for sky and I think it'll prove a good one in time as more people discover the sports and find that they are entertaining viewing.
The suggestion sky will take over GAA broadcasting in Ireland is simply the scaremongering that too often passes as debate in GAA circles. Trying something in the GAA is to invite certain disaster to some people.
Rachel Wyse floats my boat. There, said it..
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2014, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 11, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
The people of Ireland can watch the vast majority of games on RTE.
That's all fine if you're an Offaly man and easy to say, it doesn't hurt you but there are plenty of people who can't get to see their county play in a 2nd round championship game but would have caught it FTA on a TV3 package. Plus the wider audience, some >300,000 who would have watched the game.
300,000 v 30,000 is an absolute whitewash, it's Kilkenny hurlers v Kilkenny footballers. Spin just can't put clothes on that one.
Then where's this going, you think Sky will be content with a minor package of exclusivity in Ireland? Is there a precedent for Sky being content with a junior partner role? The end game for Sky has to be to increase their package of exclusive live games in Ireland.
There is no point to their getting involved unless this is part of their picture.
Tolerating a small package would be the equivalent of U2 on a world tour being content with playing the little clubs, cramming in 20 truckloads of a sound system inside.
Sky will look at the new subscriptions gained and also Sky internet and make their calculations, then they will want more games.
And Sky's offer will make great sense and plenty of people explaining why it's good for us and the GAA and others will swear blind that really the TV3 commentators sound so professional on Sky and Peter Cavanagh just sounds so much more incisive than he did on TV3 :D
In all likelihood, you will have to revise your position when the majority of games will no longer be on Rte.
What sky want is immaterial if the GAA don't want to sell them rights. Would you be happy if the GAA gave them all the games that are not shown anywhere at all at the moment?
And I'm not sure what being from Offaly has to do with it. Offaly are already on sky and are on again this week for some reason, so that's 2 games that directly impact Offaly.
Then what's the point of Sky getting involved, from their perspective?
I'd presume it's to increase subscriptions to their various sat and internet packages?
but maybe I have this wrong and Sky are interested in GAA as in a charity effort? They send 20 trucks of equipment to Wexford Pk out of some philanthropic solidarity with the GAA?
If Sky are not going to get the viewing numbers to justify the effort, either they bale out or demand more games. Who knows what the spin may be generated in the GAA world to support Sky when it comes to demands for a larger package and if the GAA don't give it then Sky are gone.
So far the GAA Sky spin has been insulting.
Sky have the secondary TV3 package, Sky's presentation is a rebadged TV3 but with a hefty subscription cost.
Instead of 300.000 watching Monaghan v Armagh, there were 10,000.
TV3 as far as I can ascertain had done nothing wrong, had made great progress with their package, got the audience figures and were going toe for toe with RTE.
What do Sky do with a mere 10,000 viewers?
10,000 viewers at whatever their sports subscription are a month? One reason, in the north, I subscribe to sky sports package.BT announce their sports package free of charge. I m thinking of cancelling sky sports and settling for BT. Wham Sky announce GAA coverage. All of a sudden I'm sticking with my sky sports to see what they bring to the table. Clever? Maybe not on my part but theirs.....
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2014, 08:50:35 PM
Rachel Wyse floats my boat. There, said it..
My first time seeing her today.
I agree! :)
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2014, 08:50:35 PM
Rachel Wyse floats my boat. There, said it..
I've never seen her, my boat remains on the beach.
GUBU
Wonder what viewers in Britain make of schoolteacher Peter Canavan talking about ,"fallying" (ie following) the man,and "agin" (ie against)?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2014, 06:58:50 AM
Wonder what viewers in Britain make of schoolteacher Peter Canavan talking about ,"fallying" (ie following) the man,and "agin" (ie against)?
I know, how will they possibly cope, because there's no regional accents in England for them to deal with.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2014, 06:58:50 AM
Wonder what viewers in Britain make of schoolteacher Peter Canavan talking about ,"fallying" (ie following) the man,and "agin" (ie against)?
What a terrible provincoal british attitude you have Tony :o.
I thought you were a nationalistic Irishman.
In all honesty you would expect a basic degree of articulateness from a schoolteacher surely? Ffs even Joey Barton is reasonably articulate.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
In all honesty you would expect a basic degree of articulateness from a schoolteacher surely? Ffs even Joey Barton is reasonably articulate.
He might have a funny accent, but he always knew which Sunday in September to show up.
This is the problem with this deal.
I don't have sky because I cant afford it and I will not see the two games tomorrow.
I would love to see them and it makes me angry that money once again has been put before the ordinary supporter.
Quote from: Hereiam on August 08, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
This is the problem with this deal.
I don't have sky because I cant afford it and I will not see the two games tomorrow.
I would love to see them and it makes me angry that money once again has been put before the ordinary supporter.
Are these games not on rte / bbc?? That's bollix for the neutral supporter tbf.
Go to the pub or yer mates house to watch it.
There are ways and means to see the games.
But I suppose its easier to grumble about it.
On the Canavan thing, yeah I kinda have to agree with Fearon. I cringe a bit when I hear him 'analyse' or commentate.
The 2 anchors are decent and able as well as professional but I wouldn't have the dub or the wee baldy one near it though.
If only some of these broadcasters would look outside the 'former player' pool for analysts or co-commentators.
(Marty Morrissey and Martin Carney should both be shot with a ball of their own shite they are that bad on RTE)
Brick I have 3 kids and the wife will be in bed from working nite duty tonight. I live in a rural area so the nearest pub is 10 mile away. My mates have enough of there own without me adding to it.
I'll be flying so I'll miss them anyway.
For anyone with kids though, it's hard to head off to the pub for the day, it might be a frosty enough reception when you get back...
It's absolute bollocks is what it is. The most anticipated games of the year so far and only available behind a pay wall. I know there's no entitlement to see games etc etc but it's still really shit.
The most anticipated games of the year so far?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2014, 12:04:42 PM
The most anticipated games of the year so far?
That's subjective of course :)
Its bullshit is what it is.
Hereiam I feel your pain.
Time to call in reinforcements to look after the kids for a while lol.
Personally il be up early tomorrow morning and il be Father and husband of the Year right up until a half hour before throw in.
I might even do a bit of ironing or hoovering or do something really impressive like red out an oul room full of cr@p.
Come footie time il be droppin everything and getting my game face on to roar at the tv.
Brick, you seem to know how to work these weeeeeeeeeman well, fair play!
Leaving aside the pay per view argument, sky's coverage has been very refreshing. I like Sennan Connell and even wee Pete. Fair play to Canavan that he speaks in his every day accent and dialect. Good to hear.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 11, 2014, 03:03:34 PM
Leaving aside the pay per view argument, sky's coverage has been very refreshing. I like Sennan Connell and even wee Pete. Fair play to Canavan that he speaks in his every day accent and dialect. Good to hear.
I actually don't think it is anything special, certainly not the cutting edge that many expected.
Agree. Don't get it at all. Certainly not what it was talked up to be. Senan Connell is the GAA's Andy Townsend.
Quote from: sheamy on August 11, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
Agree. Don't get it at all. Certainly not what it was talked up to be. Senan Connell is the GAA's Andy Townsend.
A go'on with ye, he is not that bad.
Senan Connell is infinitely better than Brolly and Spillane. At least Sky analyse the matches and look at the tactics etc that are being played out. RTE just comment on whether it's a good game or not (usually critical), pick a few controversial incidents and throw out a few standard generalisations about the counties involved.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2014, 03:26:31 PM
Senan Connell is infinitely better than Brolly and Spillane. At least Sky analyse the matches and look at the tactics etc that are being played out. RTE just comment on whether it's a good game or not (usually critical), pick a few controversial incidents and throw out a few standard generalisations about the counties involved.
Not to mention the standard bickering between Brolly and O'Rourke.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 11, 2014, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2014, 03:26:31 PM
Senan Connell is infinitely better than Brolly and Spillane. At least Sky analyse the matches and look at the tactics etc that are being played out. RTE just comment on whether it's a good game or not (usually critical), pick a few controversial incidents and throw out a few standard generalisations about the counties involved.
Not to mention the standard bickering between Brolly and O'Rourke.
I agree, i much prefer the Sky build up and analysis that the usual rubbish from RTE and the 3 Nuala's
All these people were on TV3. The only difference is everyone has to pay for it now.
What sticks out for me is how Sky are very positive about every game, whereas RTE can be quite negative at times.
Plus Rachael is good on the eye ;D
Quote from: sheamy on August 11, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
All these people were on TV3. The only difference is everyone has to pay for it now.
TV3 isn't available in Britain. Big difference.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 11, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: sheamy on August 11, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
All these people were on TV3. The only difference is everyone has to pay for it now.
TV3 isn't available in Britain. Big difference.
There were pay options in Britain then as there are now. If this was an issue then the GAAGo would have helped.
At the end of the day the GAA has stuck by and large with RTE, probably at a cost. The reality is to fund and develop our games we need to sometimes sup with the devil. At the end of the day the one thing we are is democratic. So if you don't like the Sky deal start your motion off through the club, county, provincial council and then central council to take us back to ye olden days. You don't have to be with Sky. you can subscribe to sky sports for the summer through freeview. I haven't heard any whinging about Setanta sports who show the national league games being pay per view.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 12, 2014, 10:54:21 AM
. you can subscribe to sky sports for the summer through freeview.
In a small area of Ireland ;)
QuoteI haven't heard any whinging about Setanta sports who show the national league games being pay per view.
It's a good job that they do show them, we'd be waiting a long time for RTE to show a live national league game.
I'm all for competition, if Sky put RTE under pressure, so be it, we all win.
Brolly was on about how the sick in hospitals can't watch games on Sky Sports now...
FFS....
I'd say watching him on RTE would make you sicker.
Quote from: balladmaker on August 12, 2014, 11:38:04 AM
QuoteI haven't heard any whinging about Setanta sports who show the national league games being pay per view.
It's a good job that they do show them, we'd be waiting a long time for RTE to show a live national league game.
I'm all for competition, if Sky put RTE under pressure, so be it, we all win.
Hear Hear. Does Saorview not offer a sky subscription?
No Saorview is Irish Channels only free to air from th'oul aerial.
If you're near enough the 6 counties and have an aerial pointing that way and get the right box you can get 10 or 15 Terrestrial British Channels but NO SKY.
I was hoping the GAA dealing with Sky might make RTE up their game but it's not looking great so far. GAA is simply not a priority in Donnybrook.
I think RTE are probably complacent enough looking at the viewing figures on Sky, and they have won the Joe Duffy opinion war.
In fairness Sky have tried to be positive and I find that refreshing. I watched Limerick v Kilkenny on Sky rather than RTE because Ger 'Huge One In' Canning was commentating on RTE.
What do you call the guy that commentates for Sky?
They have two. Mike Finnerty and Damien McIntyre (who also commentates for Newstalk). I think McIntyre is quite good, but Finnerty is still better to listen to than know all Canning.
Finnerty commentates on MWR too. He can be annoying to listen to at times.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 12, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
What do you call the guy that commentates for Sky?
They are called the 'ex TV3 commentators'.
But they sound so much better on Sky when that factor of having paid a small fortune to hear them is taken into consideration.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 11, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: sheamy on August 11, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
All these people were on TV3. The only difference is everyone has to pay for it now.
TV3 isn't available in Britain. Big difference.
Well hundreds of thousands have dropped off the radar in Ireland just so a couple of hundred GAA fans in England can watch the game, who for some reason couldn't subscribe to premier sports or get their heads around the concept of logging on to a stream of the game on a computer.
Quote from: Main Street on August 12, 2014, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 11, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: sheamy on August 11, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
All these people were on TV3. The only difference is everyone has to pay for it now.
TV3 isn't available in Britain. Big difference.
Well hundreds of thousands have dropped off the radar in Ireland just so a couple of hundred GAA fans in England can watch the game, who for some reason couldn't subscribe to premier sports or get their heads around the concept of logging on to a stream of the game on a computer.
Maybe people moaning about Sky in Ireland should subscribe or maybe get their heads around the concept of logging on to a stream of the game on a computer?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Maybe people moaning about Sky in Ireland should subscribe or maybe get their heads around the concept of logging on to a stream of the game on a computer?
Most of the GAA's audience in Britain is in cities, much of it in Ireland is in rural parts where the broadband is not available at a suitable standard. But in any case is there a convenient (and legal) way of getting such a stream, it certainly isn't advertised.
Ultimately though the GAA should serve Ireland and Irish people and not Britain.
It wasn't serving ireland too well with tv3 when a load of us couldn't get it!!
Was in an airport on sunday streaming the hurling on the ipad. Couldn't have done that with tv3 either.
Tv3 served 90% of the audience, Sky 9%.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
Tv3 served 90% of the audience, Sky 9%.
Has only 9% of the population of Ireland got access to Sky?
Why didn't rte show a highlights show this last few Saturdays.
Trying to cover all the weekends games in 1 Sunday show is ludicrous as it ends up showing little of each game and finishes too late.
Marty seems quite excited
http://instagram.com/p/sGRdrXN3zs/
The look on her face at the end :)
Marty is some rogue. :D
Quote from: Minder on August 25, 2014, 09:33:56 AM
Marty seems quite excited
http://instagram.com/p/sGRdrXN3zs/
Marty was visibly moved. Was this a joint RTE /SKy TV production ?
I assume Sky will be showing the replay? I notice they have live premiership soccer, England v India test match in cricket, US Open Tennis and rugby league lined up for next Saturday afternoon across their 4 sports channels. I wonder which would get shifted?
I don't think they can show replays.
Replay on sky and rte.
Peter Canavan will have to decide whether he goes to Limerick with Sky for the replay or be with the club he manages Cavan Gaels who are playing their senior championship match in Virginia at 6 pm on Saturday evening. 8)
Surely that's no choice at all? You have to go with the people that are paying your wages.
Sky can get someone else :D
Badum-TISH! ;D
This is a disaster.
What is?
Lookit.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2014, 06:25:33 AM
This is a disaster.
Pretty tough, Peter, are you pulling your hair out!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
Surely that's no choice at all? You have to go with the people that are paying your wages.
Sky can get someone else :D
But it's an amateur organisation. It's not like the Gaels are paying or there was an account set up in the Cayman Islands to pay him.
I see Sky have dumped the live Rugby League game in favour of the Semi final replay.
Will anyone notice the difference :P
Bit of a pain that folks in the UK who paid for GAAGO can't watch old games back that are under sky's domain. Can't watch the Sunday game either.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2014, 10:19:15 AM
I see Sky have dumped the live Rugby League game in favour of the Semi final replay.
Really? That's interesting in fairness. They push RL on Sky.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2014, 10:19:15 AM
I see Sky have dumped the live Rugby League game in favour of the Semi final replay.
Really? That's interesting in fairness. They push RL on Sky.
I wonder if it had been a bigger game like Leeds Rhinos v St Helens rather than Catalan Dragons v London Broncos would the decision have been more difficult. Rugby League is on red button.
Quote from: thejuice on August 27, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
Will anyone notice the difference :P
Bit of a pain that folks in the UK who paid for GAAGO can't watch old games back that are under sky's domain. Can't watch the Sunday game either.
Lads hola unblocker is your friend in this case... great job!!
Belfast Saturday afternoon/evening.
Where are the best pubs around city centre to catch the GAA on as well as cater for soccer heads who wanna see the evenin kick off?
Cheers in advance.
Surely that's no choice at all? You have to go with the people that are paying your wages.
Sky can get someone else :D
Canavan is going with Sky on Saturday instead of Cavan Gaels in the championship. The Caymen account mustn't be attractive enough!!
Wait till Joe Brolly hears this.
In all seriousness that's a bitch of a decision for him to have to make. Is the Gaels match a knockout match or just a league type game?
Winner advances to quarter final loser into back door.
Quote from: Blue in hope on August 27, 2014, 02:15:09 PM
Surely that's no choice at all? You have to go with the people that are paying your wages.
Sky can get someone else :D
Canavan is going with Sky on Saturday instead of Cavan Gaels in the championship. The Caymen account mustn't be attractive enough!!
He didn't.
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
Paraic Duffy's Wikipedia page is interesting to say the least!
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
Preach it brother!
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
Did Joe tweet out those viewing figures?
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
Did Joe tweet out those viewing figures?
Funny I was thinking the exact thing today, he was always rehweeting Dr Paul Rouse when the Sky figures were low
Quote from: Minder on September 13, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
Did Joe tweet out those viewing figures?
Funny I was thinking the exact thing today, he was always rehweeting Dr Paul Rouse when the Sky figures were low
Who was it who cited scripture for his own purposes?
Paul Rouse had the annoying habit of only tweeting the figures that suited his agenda. Comparing Saturday tea time fixtures that clashed with the World Cup on Sky with Sunday afternoon figures for RTE. He never did produce the figures for Laois v Fermanagh on RTE
427,000? That's brilliant in fairness.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 14, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
427,000? That's brilliant in fairness.
Massive audience if they can be believed. Wouldn't be like Sky and / or Gaa pr department to peddle wee white ones.
That would be silly. Figures will come out. Sure brolly will tweet it the fool.
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
I love the way Duffy addresses his patrons
"After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final,"
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
I love the way Duffy addresses his patrons
"After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final,"
Exactly. Arrogant gobshite.
Quote from: Hardy on September 14, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
I love the way Duffy addresses his patrons
"After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final,"
Exactly. Arrogant gobshite.
Arrogant is right. But that's a common affliction in Croke park these days. It is being run as a business, for better or worse.
I think I this case it's a good thing, but Duffy wouldn't make you feel all warm about it.
Quote from: Hardy on September 14, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
I love the way Duffy addresses his patrons
"After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final,"
Exactly. Arrogant gobshite.
I think he must have done an MBA at the Ratner school of management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Padraig is getting fed up. Stop the whining and moaning says he. The sky deal is good for you.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enough-whining-about-sky-deal-says-gaa-boss-duffy-30583863.html
I love the way Duffy addresses his patrons
"After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final,"
"Whining and moaning" is a perfect description of the hysterical overreaction to the Sky deal. If it hurts, it's because the truth hurts.
The Sky deal has pros and cons. If the GAA becomes an organisation where you cannot point out the downside without being characterised as a "whinger" "moaned" "over the top" eta, then they are well suited to Sky.
And by the same token can the GAA top brass ever say there was whinging and moaning with being accused of arrogance or losing touch with the common man?
What I love is the way it has forced rte to clean up their grubby act. It has renewed standards where the game is portrayed positively and analysed with thought. And Rachel wyse helps us all stay glued.
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2014, 08:59:23 PM
What I love is the way it has forced rte to clean up their grubby act. It has renewed standards where the game is portrayed positively and analysed with thought. And Rachel wyse helps us all stay glued.
You think? I can't say I've noticed. Yes, the football Nualas were positive about the three semi-final matches, but how could they not be? Up to that, I hadn't seen any difference from the last twenty-five-odd years. Granted, I haven't seen the night time Sunday Game at all - can't force myself to watch it once I've seen the live match. Maybe Cahill has dropped his stupid "word of the day" cringology?
''After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final," Páraic Duffy said.
He's in the clear and being very careful about being in the clear.
Sure it was in the paper.
Was this statement made after coming out of mass after asking how the childer are doing?
'Haven't got over to the stand yet to get a paper.
What did ye hear anyway?'
He has not claimed that there were a very unlikely number of viewers watching on SKY nor that for a few seconds viewers clicked onto SKY 1 to check what was on as that would be the most likely channel to find their viewing event of the day within their background and upbringing and culture but they still are claimed as watching it even for a brief few seconds hence the peak viewing figures at which time many may have gone to SKY 1 first in the run of their day events.
He was very careful to mention 'in the paper,'
Imagine doing a monetary deal which negatively affected hundreds of thousands in a not too big home population and someone in charge making a statement about what they read 'in the paper' to justify themselves.
Pathetic.
Quote from: Clinker on September 14, 2014, 11:12:19 PM
''After all the whining and moaning, it was terrific to see the numbers in the paper of all the people who watched the hurling final," Páraic Duffy said.
He's in the clear and being very careful about being in the clear.
Sure it was in the paper.
Was this statement made after coming out of mass after asking how the childer are doing?
'Haven't got over to the stand yet to get a paper.
What did ye hear anyway?'
He has not claimed that there were a very unlikely number of viewers watching on SKY nor that for a few seconds viewers clicked onto SKY 1 to check what was on as that would be the most likely channel to find their viewing event of the day within their background and upbringing and culture but they still are claimed as watching it even for a brief few seconds hence the peak viewing figures at which time many may have gone to SKY 1 first in the run of their day events.
He was very careful to mention 'in the paper,'
Imagine doing a monetary deal which negatively affected hundreds of thousands in a not too big home population and someone in charge making a statement about what they read 'in the paper' to justify themselves.
Pathetic.
I think this constitutes as whinging and moaning.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 14, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
I think this constitutes as whinging and moaning.
You. thatcher and Corporate GAA
I think it's great that our emigrants abroad can get access to these games via sky. I think we are the only country in the world where our national TV station (RTE) Cannot be viewed live abroad . Well not legally anyway. So sky is a great opportunity for the irish on the UK to watch the games live. What I would say to the doughnuts in Ireland who moan about the Gaa on sky is don't watch it! Watch it on RTE. Stop f**king moaning about it being shown in the Uk. We f**king pay for it ! . And we would pay for RTE too if we could get it. But we can't.And nobody ever explained why either.
If you can find any "doughnuts" who objectives to Sky showing games in Britain then please show me where.the only objection. Is the removal of games from RTE TV3 and BBC in Ireland.
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Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
If you can find any "doughnuts" who objectives to Sky showing games in Britain then please show me where.the only objection. Is the removal of games from RTE TV3 and BBC in Ireland.
Just out of interest, how many games were removed throughout the year that you couldn't see in Ireland?
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 15, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
If you can find any "doughnuts" who objectives to Sky showing games in Britain then please show me where.the only objection. Is the removal of games from RTE TV3 and BBC in Ireland.
Just out of interest, how many games were removed throughout the year that you couldn't see in Ireland?
a few hurling miss matches.. That's all.sky got nothing special that RTE didn't get.
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 15, 2014, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 15, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
If you can find any "doughnuts" who objectives to Sky showing games in Britain then please show me where.the only objection. Is the removal of games from RTE TV3 and BBC in Ireland.
Just out of interest, how many games were removed throughout the year that you couldn't see in Ireland?
a few hurling miss matches.. That's all.sky got nothing special that RTE didn't get.
Since you seem to know, why don't you list the games for BennyHarp's benefit.
RTE lost 0 games to Sky.
TV3 are the ones who lost games.
I believe there were 14 games on Sky that were not on RTE.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 15, 2014, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 15, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
If you can find any "doughnuts" who objectives to Sky showing games in Britain then please show me where.the only objection. Is the removal of games from RTE TV3 and BBC in Ireland.
Just out of interest, how many games were removed throughout the year that you couldn't see in Ireland?
a few hurling miss matches.. That's all.sky got nothing special that RTE didn't get.
Since you seem to know, why don't you list the games for BennyHarp's benefit.
Kilkenny/Offaly. Tipperary/Offaly are 2 that quickly come to mind
So over the course of approximately 90 hurling and football championship matches, a maximum of 14 where involved in the "removal" from Irish TV, but however they were still available in pubs and online. That leaves a paltry 76 games (approx) that were unaffected and not part of the "removal" plans at all. How did you lads at home cope this summer?
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 15, 2014, 12:59:42 PM
So over the course of approximately 90 hurling and football championship matches, a maximum of 14 where involved in the "removal" from Irish TV, but however they were still available in pubs and online. That leaves a paltry 76 games (approx) that were unaffected and not part of the "removal" plans at all. How did you lads at home cope this summer?
Two lads in hospital had to listen to a Dublin game on the radio according to some reports.
Was it " in the paper" ?? :)
Quotebut however they were still available in pubs and online.
These games were not available online, the GAAGo service is crippled when the games are on Sky. and did Duffy not claim that the attraction of the Sky deal was that you didn't have to go to the pub?
It wasn't 14 lads - AFAIK Sky had a total of 9 matches exclusively, whilst they had semi finals and finals shared with RTE.
It was 14.
Sky Sports has obtained exclusive Island of Ireland rights to 14 Championship games.
These consist of eight Saturday evening matches in the All-Ireland qualifiers, two All-Ireland football championship quarter-finals, and two Saturday evening and two Sunday Provincial championship games.
Confirmed fixtures which will be broadcast on Sky include Kilkenny v Offaly and Dublin v Wexford in the Leinster SHC; Sligo v Galway/London in the Connacht SFC; and Armagh/Cavan v Down/Tyrone/Monaghan in the Ulster SFC.
Sky Sports will also broadcast the All-Ireland Hurling and Football semi-finals and finals, thus making 20 live games available to its subscribers throughout Britain and Ireland.
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
well the Irish government or RTE or both need to make RTE available worldwide . We are the only nation who can't access our live TV abroad. Be it free or subscription it needs to be available abroad.
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
Let's see you negotiate the deal with Sky next time around then.
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 15, 2014, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
well the Irish government or RTE or both need to make RTE available worldwide . We are the only nation who can't access our live TV abroad. Be it free or subscription it needs to be available abroad.
why is this the case?
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2014, 07:15:53 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 15, 2014, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
well the Irish government or RTE or both need to make RTE available worldwide . We are the only nation who can't access our live TV abroad. Be it free or subscription it needs to be available abroad.
why is this the case?
AFAIK it's cause RTE pay for US series etc on the basis of their audience. Say when Lost was airing ... if RTE was available worldwide, then they would have had to pay a much higher price and probably couldn't afford it.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 15, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
It's the 2 quarter finals that should be focused on. Two if the biggest games of the year, on the bumper footballing weekend of the year.
I want everyone in the whole world to get the chance to see the games. I do not accept that the price for that is to restrict access in Ireland.
Let's see you negotiate the deal with Sky next time around then.
So if I offer Sky in the UK access to all televised games (restricted to mainland UK), would they take it? Yes, I'd guess. Again, I don't believe that the "price" of sharing our games in America, Australia and elsewhere, is the restriction of some of the biggest games of the year in Ireland.
It's very simple lads - commercially the GAA need a rival to RTE to maintain the rights price, let alone improve it. TV3 and Setanta are not capable of doing that. They don't have the money and TV3's coverage after a good start, had severely degraded production values by the end of their tenure - so even if they could afford the rights, it looked like they couldn't afford to televise them.
Without some form of TV money and an international dimension, a lot of things that are taken for granted in the GAA would no longer be available. People seem to forget that there was no live coverage beyond semis pre 95 - I remember it well.
There are good arguments on both sides, but overall the GAA (and by that I mean us as well as Croke Park) came out well in this.
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 16, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
It's very simple lads - commercially the GAA need a rival to RTE to maintain the rights price, let alone improve it. TV3 and Setanta are not capable of doing that. They don't have the money and TV3's coverage after a good start, had severely degraded production values by the end of their tenure - so even if they could afford the rights, it looked like they couldn't afford to televise them.
Without some form of TV money and an international dimension, a lot of things that are taken for granted in the GAA would no longer be available. People seem to forget that there was no live coverage beyond semis pre 95 - I remember it well.
There are good arguments on both sides, but overall the GAA (and by that I mean us as well as Croke Park) came out well in this.
I'd agree with this. Plus if 400,000 plus are watching in Britain, it can't be a bad negotiating point for sponsorship money.
Quote from: StephenC on September 15, 2014, 08:53:07 PM
So if I offer Sky in the UK access to all televised games (restricted to mainland UK), would they take it? Yes, I'd guess. Again, I don't believe that the "price" of sharing our games in America, Australia and elsewhere, is the restriction of some of the biggest games of the year in Ireland.
But since Sky is available in Britain and Ireland, RTE wouldn't have the exclusive rights and wouldn't be so quick to put up EU10 million for them. Would Sky be willing to pay EU12 million for exclusive rights? I doubt it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2014, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 16, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
It's very simple lads - commercially the GAA need a rival to RTE to maintain the rights price, let alone improve it. TV3 and Setanta are not capable of doing that. They don't have the money and TV3's coverage after a good start, had severely degraded production values by the end of their tenure - so even if they could afford the rights, it looked like they couldn't afford to televise them.
Without some form of TV money and an international dimension, a lot of things that are taken for granted in the GAA would no longer be available. People seem to forget that there was no live coverage beyond semis pre 95 - I remember it well.
There are good arguments on both sides, but overall the GAA (and by that I mean us as well as Croke Park) came out well in this.
I'd agree with this. Plus if 400,000 plus are watching in Britain, it can't be a bad negotiating point for sponsorship money.
Correct, County boards now have a bigger bargaining chip when going out looking for sponsors.
I wouldn't have thought there was too many tweets from the Brits about thon spectacle today.
At the risk of saying I told you so...
Quote2015 ... The year that the GAA conquered the British sporting public? (http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/blue-skies-on-the-horizon-for-british-gaa-clubs-290432.html)
By Nick Bramhill, Irish Examiner
IT'S been the year the British forged a surprising love affair with GAA sports from the safe distance of their TV screens, writes Nick Bramhill
Sky Sports ventured into unchartered, and risky, waters earlier in the summer when the broadcaster started covering Ireland's indigenous sports for the first time.
But TV viewers' overwhelmingly positive, if somewhat bemused reaction, to action-packed games such as the two hurling finals between Kilkenny and Tipperary and the football showdown between Donegal and Kerry, seems to have paid off.
Now GAA clubs in Britain say they are reaping the benefits in the form of a hike in interest from people wanting to take up the sports.
Club chiefs across England have noted how the exposure to GAA sports has encouraged young English kids to start playing hurling and Gaelic football.
And following the coverage of last month's nail-biting All-Ireland hurling finals across the water, GAA representatives in Britain said they are expecting hundreds of new converts to flock to their clubs.
Sean Hopkins, chairman of Lancashire GAA County Board, said: "It's phenomenal what's happening at the moment. A few teachers in Manchester I know told me English-born kids, with no background or knowledge at all of GAA, are coming into school the whole time talking about hurling rather than the Premiership.
"There's great potential now at underage level, because youngsters have seen the game and they want to play it and that's the key to the future of the sports.
"The first of the two hurling finals was the best possible advert for the game and there's a feeling here Sky are going to bring things to another level. It's the best thing that's happened to the game in a long time."
When Sky signed a €10m three-year deal with the GAA earlier in the summer, many seasoned observers and so-called 'experts' scoffed at the prospect of gaelic games proving a hit across the water, particularly as a large period of the season clashed with the World Cup.
Initial doubts about the audience's appetite for the sports seemed to be confirmed when Sky's TV figures for several of the season's opening televised games pulled in little more than 10,000 viewers. But social media, not least an increasingly frenzied reaction on Twitter to more high-profile televised matches, raised the GAA's profile and gave a massive boost to viewership figures.
The well-documented Twitter reaction, particularly to hurling, played a key part in drawing in a hugely-impressive 427,000 viewers in Britain to the epic first final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, deemed by some experts as the best game of hurling ever played.
Now there is evidence the legion of converts are joining GAA clubs across Britain.
Chairman of London-based Sean Treacy's hurling club, Martin Carroll, said the Sky exposure will enable him to launch an underage team.
"There are English lads, who haven't played before, getting in contact. Sky has given the games a lot of exposure and it bodes well for the future," says Carroll.
Underage coach at London's St. Brendan's GAA Football Club, Paul Hughes, says "I've been coaching here for 15 years and I've never seen such interest as there's been in the past few months. We've one underage team at the moment, but we'll be able to double that number by next year because of the Sky coverage."
All-Britain competitions chairman John Gormley, added: "In the last six to seven years, we've doubled the number of underage clubs in Britain from 30 to 60 and that's happened through getting funds from the Irish government and Croke Park, and having a full-time development officer.
"But if Sky keeps covering the games, the popularity of the GAA over here will take off like never before."
Meanwhile, tourist chiefs in Ireland have predicted a further spin-off from the coverage in the form of increased visitor numbers from across the water.
Tourism Ireland spokeswoman Sinead Grace said: "The Sky deal certainly is proving positive because it's showcasing our national games in our largest overseas market - Britain.
"Hurling has been drawing a lot of interest in particular because it is such an exciting game to watch on TV.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 09, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
At the risk of saying I told you so...
Quote2015 ... The year that the GAA conquered the British sporting public? (http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/blue-skies-on-the-horizon-for-british-gaa-clubs-290432.html)
By Nick Bramhill, Irish Examiner
IT'S been the year the British forged a surprising love affair with GAA sports from the safe distance of their TV screens, writes Nick Bramhill
Sky Sports ventured into unchartered, and risky, waters earlier in the summer when the broadcaster started covering Ireland's indigenous sports for the first time.
But TV viewers' overwhelmingly positive, if somewhat bemused reaction, to action-packed games such as the two hurling finals between Kilkenny and Tipperary and the football showdown between Donegal and Kerry, seems to have paid off.
Now GAA clubs in Britain say they are reaping the benefits in the form of a hike in interest from people wanting to take up the sports.
Club chiefs across England have noted how the exposure to GAA sports has encouraged young English kids to start playing hurling and Gaelic football.
And following the coverage of last month's nail-biting All-Ireland hurling finals across the water, GAA representatives in Britain said they are expecting hundreds of new converts to flock to their clubs.
Sean Hopkins, chairman of Lancashire GAA County Board, said: "It's phenomenal what's happening at the moment. A few teachers in Manchester I know told me English-born kids, with no background or knowledge at all of GAA, are coming into school the whole time talking about hurling rather than the Premiership.
"There's great potential now at underage level, because youngsters have seen the game and they want to play it and that's the key to the future of the sports.
"The first of the two hurling finals was the best possible advert for the game and there's a feeling here Sky are going to bring things to another level. It's the best thing that's happened to the game in a long time."
When Sky signed a €10m three-year deal with the GAA earlier in the summer, many seasoned observers and so-called 'experts' scoffed at the prospect of gaelic games proving a hit across the water, particularly as a large period of the season clashed with the World Cup.
Initial doubts about the audience's appetite for the sports seemed to be confirmed when Sky's TV figures for several of the season's opening televised games pulled in little more than 10,000 viewers. But social media, not least an increasingly frenzied reaction on Twitter to more high-profile televised matches, raised the GAA's profile and gave a massive boost to viewership figures.
The well-documented Twitter reaction, particularly to hurling, played a key part in drawing in a hugely-impressive 427,000 viewers in Britain to the epic first final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, deemed by some experts as the best game of hurling ever played.
Now there is evidence the legion of converts are joining GAA clubs across Britain.
Chairman of London-based Sean Treacy's hurling club, Martin Carroll, said the Sky exposure will enable him to launch an underage team.
"There are English lads, who haven't played before, getting in contact. Sky has given the games a lot of exposure and it bodes well for the future," says Carroll.
Underage coach at London's St. Brendan's GAA Football Club, Paul Hughes, says "I've been coaching here for 15 years and I've never seen such interest as there's been in the past few months. We've one underage team at the moment, but we'll be able to double that number by next year because of the Sky coverage."
All-Britain competitions chairman John Gormley, added: "In the last six to seven years, we've doubled the number of underage clubs in Britain from 30 to 60 and that's happened through getting funds from the Irish government and Croke Park, and having a full-time development officer.
"But if Sky keeps covering the games, the popularity of the GAA over here will take off like never before."
Meanwhile, tourist chiefs in Ireland have predicted a further spin-off from the coverage in the form of increased visitor numbers from across the water.
Tourism Ireland spokeswoman Sinead Grace said: "The Sky deal certainly is proving positive because it's showcasing our national games in our largest overseas market - Britain.
"Hurling has been drawing a lot of interest in particular because it is such an exciting game to watch on TV.
I don't think it was just you eamonn.
Aye where would we be without your wisdom Eamonn, and you can't measure the true extent of success or otherwise for a year or two. Let's see if all these underage teams that they are going to be able to field now "because of Sky" are still there in five years time.
If London field a team they trained themselves rather than a load of blow ins who learned their football elsewhere, then we'll see.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
If London field a team they trained themselves rather than a load of blow ins who learned their football elsewhere, then we'll see.
So Billy Joe Padden - explain?
If the interest really does pick up in the UK London will potentially have access to a city of young athletes with a bigger catchment than the whole of Ireland. As Armaghniac pointed out if they start to develop their own team in ten years or so they could become a major force.
Equally the whole thing could just fall flat if we get a season of poor football and SKY decide not to renew.
But just as SKY have shown that there is a huge untapped potential in viewers, the untapped potential in London for participants is also huge
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 09, 2014, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
If London field a team they trained themselves rather than a load of blow ins who learned their football elsewhere, then we'll see.
So Billy Joe Padden - explain?
Billy Joe is one player, hardly a load. Any county or club that has >50% of blow ins is is not in the spirit of the GAA.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 09, 2014, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
If London field a team they trained themselves rather than a load of blow ins who learned their football elsewhere, then we'll see.
So Billy Joe Padden - explain?
Billy Joe is one player, hardly a load. Any county or club that has >50% of blow ins is is not in the spirit of the GAA.
Surely any county with as many to pick from as Armagh shouldn't have had any blow ins - it's not in the spirit of the game. The number is irrelevant. I wouldn't throw stones at London when your own county is quite willing to do the same!
People move and are entitled to be considered for teams elsewhere, especially like Billy Joe when he marries locally, but they should have to fight for their place with locals. The number involved is entirely relevant, it indicates whether a team is relying on blow ins or not.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2014, 09:06:01 PM
People move and are entitled to be considered for teams elsewhere, especially like Billy Joe when he marries locally, but they should have to fight for their place with locals. The number involved is entirely relevant, it indicates whether a team is relying on blow ins or not.
Exactly!
I can't say my experience is the same as those quoted in that article, none of our clubs referenced Sky as the reason their underage players togged out. In saying that, it will undoubtedly help clubs recruit and keep players over time in my opinion.
Clubs in Britain are doing a lot of work underage but there are challenges and realities here that make developing underage structures like there are in Ireland extremely difficult. The first ever adult homegrown championship is underway with 18 clubs across Britain from London to Scotland competing. In Scotland we are at county final stage in the first ever Scottish U12 championship, the All Britain underage championships are into their third year and attract well over 1000 kids for football and hurling from across Britain. And all this is being done by many of the same people who ensure Irish men and women who leave Ireland can still play GAA in most cities in Britain. Is that in the spirit of the GAA?
No. The spirit of the GAA, apparently, is to begrudge any popularity or spread amongst people who weren't born on, or currently residing in, the island of Ireland.
Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Note this does not increasing the cost to Irish people to provide armchair viewing in Britain.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 10, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Note this does not increasing the cost to Irish people to provide armchair viewing in Britain.
It's about time it was changed to read as in bold above.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 10, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Note this does not increasing the cost to Irish people armchair viewers to provide armchair viewing in Britain.
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 10, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Note this does not increasing the cost to Irish people to provide armchair viewing in Britain.
That's a bloody anachronism and it's time it was changed. Treats the GAA outside of Ireland like it doesn't exist.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
That's a bloody anachronism and it's time it was changed. Treats the GAA outside of Ireland like it doesn't exist.
The GAA outside Ireland exists and probably doesn't do much harm, but it is irrelevant to the objectives of the GAA. But it could become a dangerous distraction from them, in the hands of people who have objectives other than those of the GAA.
"Dangerous distraction"?
Perhaps Armaghniac could spell out what objectives he thinks the GAA should be promoting and how does promoting Gaelic Games conflict with such. ::)
Are they supposed to be trying to turn us all into Irish people or what?
If so they've long since succeeded ;)
"...a fifth of GAA clubs are now outside Ireland."
Global GAA: 65 teams, 18 countries, 180 matches – welcome to Asian Gaelic Games (http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/global-gaa-65-teams-18-countries-180-matches-welcome-to-asian-gaelic-games-1.1959375)
If you want to talk about the "people who have objectives other than those of the GAA," you won't find them in GAA clubs outside of Ireland. You'll find them right at home, strutting around blowing about how they're going to raise a million dollars in fundraising, concocting their own version of hurling, and doing it all under the smokescreen of "player welfare."
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 09, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
At the risk of saying I told you so...
Quote2015 ... The year that the GAA conquered the British sporting public? (http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/blue-skies-on-the-horizon-for-british-gaa-clubs-290432.html)
By Nick Bramhill, Irish Examiner
IT'S been the year the British forged a surprising love affair with GAA sports from the safe distance of their TV screens, writes Nick Bramhill
Sky Sports ventured into unchartered, and risky, waters earlier in the summer when the broadcaster started covering Ireland's indigenous sports for the first time.
But TV viewers' overwhelmingly positive, if somewhat bemused reaction, to action-packed games such as the two hurling finals between Kilkenny and Tipperary and the football showdown between Donegal and Kerry, seems to have paid off.
Now GAA clubs in Britain say they are reaping the benefits in the form of a hike in interest from people wanting to take up the sports.
Club chiefs across England have noted how the exposure to GAA sports has encouraged young English kids to start playing hurling and Gaelic football.
And following the coverage of last month's nail-biting All-Ireland hurling finals across the water, GAA representatives in Britain said they are expecting hundreds of new converts to flock to their clubs.
Sean Hopkins, chairman of Lancashire GAA County Board, said: "It's phenomenal what's happening at the moment. A few teachers in Manchester I know told me English-born kids, with no background or knowledge at all of GAA, are coming into school the whole time talking about hurling rather than the Premiership.
"There's great potential now at underage level, because youngsters have seen the game and they want to play it and that's the key to the future of the sports.
"The first of the two hurling finals was the best possible advert for the game and there's a feeling here Sky are going to bring things to another level. It's the best thing that's happened to the game in a long time."
When Sky signed a €10m three-year deal with the GAA earlier in the summer, many seasoned observers and so-called 'experts' scoffed at the prospect of gaelic games proving a hit across the water, particularly as a large period of the season clashed with the World Cup.
Initial doubts about the audience's appetite for the sports seemed to be confirmed when Sky's TV figures for several of the season's opening televised games pulled in little more than 10,000 viewers. But social media, not least an increasingly frenzied reaction on Twitter to more high-profile televised matches, raised the GAA's profile and gave a massive boost to viewership figures.
The well-documented Twitter reaction, particularly to hurling, played a key part in drawing in a hugely-impressive 427,000 viewers in Britain to the epic first final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, deemed by some experts as the best game of hurling ever played.
Now there is evidence the legion of converts are joining GAA clubs across Britain.
Chairman of London-based Sean Treacy's hurling club, Martin Carroll, said the Sky exposure will enable him to launch an underage team.
"There are English lads, who haven't played before, getting in contact. Sky has given the games a lot of exposure and it bodes well for the future," says Carroll.
Underage coach at London's St. Brendan's GAA Football Club, Paul Hughes, says "I've been coaching here for 15 years and I've never seen such interest as there's been in the past few months. We've one underage team at the moment, but we'll be able to double that number by next year because of the Sky coverage."
All-Britain competitions chairman John Gormley, added: "In the last six to seven years, we've doubled the number of underage clubs in Britain from 30 to 60 and that's happened through getting funds from the Irish government and Croke Park, and having a full-time development officer.
"But if Sky keeps covering the games, the popularity of the GAA over here will take off like never before."
Meanwhile, tourist chiefs in Ireland have predicted a further spin-off from the coverage in the form of increased visitor numbers from across the water.
Tourism Ireland spokeswoman Sinead Grace said: "The Sky deal certainly is proving positive because it's showcasing our national games in our largest overseas market - Britain.
"Hurling has been drawing a lot of interest in particular because it is such an exciting game to watch on TV.
I teach in Liverpool and had training within the primary school for about 8 weeks before the summer. I started again on Friday and I had to turn away a lot of pupils because of the safety regulations of teacher-for-student ratio. I decided to have y5 before christmas and y6 after. The reason for this huge jump is because of the GAA being on the tv.
My club has recently started an underage system in last three months. We have 20 lads/lassies from local area playing with no Irish background whatsoever. The coverage on Sky has helped us.
I know Sean Hopkins and he is 100% correct.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 10, 2014, 09:53:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
That's a bloody anachronism and it's time it was changed. Treats the GAA outside of Ireland like it doesn't exist.
The GAA outside Ireland exists and probably doesn't do much harm, but it is irrelevant to the objectives of the GAA. But it could become a dangerous distraction from them, in the hands of people who have objectives other than those of the GAA.
You are one right-wing, bitter oul cnut.
How is it irrelevant ya tube?
How has me , Benny, Eamonn or Zulu going to effect the objectives of the GAA. You are the GAA's equivalent.
of Ian Paisley.
Can you list your reasons why?
It is notable how some posters prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
I said that the GAA abroad could pass into the hands of those with no regard for GAA principles. I didn't say that the posters here were such people.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
It is notable how some posters prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
I said that the GAA abroad could pass into the hands of those with no regard for GAA principles. I didn't say that the posters here were such people.
That's because of the tone of your posts and rather bizarre points you make. Can you please elaborate on what kind of people don't have GAA principles? What aims, other than promoting the development of Gaelic games, does a GAA volunteer need to have to meet your criteria for GAA involvement?
Quote from: Zulu on October 12, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
It is notable how some posters prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
I said that the GAA abroad could pass into the hands of those with no regard for GAA principles. I didn't say that the posters here were such people.
That's because of the tone of your posts and rather bizarre points you make. Can you please elaborate on what kind of people don't have GAA principles? What aims, other than promoting the development of Gaelic games, does a GAA volunteer need to have to meet your criteria for GAA involvement?
It's in case we hand the GAA to the Oul English wans? The Oul bould English. Don't worry armaghinc , me Zulu and benny will meet in some Irish bar in the midlands of England and we will chat about who we can and can't pass the Gaa onto.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 12, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 12, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
It is notable how some posters prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
I said that the GAA abroad could pass into the hands of those with no regard for GAA principles. I didn't say that the posters here were such people.
That's because of the tone of your posts and rather bizarre points you make. Can you please elaborate on what kind of people don't have GAA principles? What aims, other than promoting the development of Gaelic games, does a GAA volunteer need to have to meet your criteria for GAA involvement?
It's in case we hand the GAA to the Oul English wans? The Oul bould English. Don't worry armaghinc , me Zulu and benny will meet in some Irish bar in the midlands of England and we will chat about who we can and can't pass the Gaa onto.
I'm up for that, I'll get started on my list then. To be fair, at least there aren't too many posters rushing to defend Armaghniac's point of view - in fact he's a lone voice. He's either a wum or one of those lads every club has, who comes to shout at people at the AGM and is best ignored. I shall be ignoring his views on this issue from now on.
Once again playing the man rather than the ball.The integrity of point of view can be measured by the extent to which people feel they can't argue the point and instead abuse those putting other views instead.
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The GAA was established to build community spirit in Ireland and reduce the forelock tugging subservient mentality so often found. It has succeeded to a large extent in this, although work remains to be done. People imbued with this spirit are bringing the GAA elsewhere, like the posters here. But in these other places it is not a community building organisation,it is a novelty. If the sports become widespread they'll have professionalism and the people will be bribed to leave Irish teams to join these operations, ending the GAA, although perhaps preserving the sports.
You may not agree with my view, but I am entitled to argue them without being characterised as a WUM, tube or similar.n
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
It is notable how some posters prefer to play the man rather than the ball.
I said that the GAA abroad could pass into the hands of those with no regard for GAA principles. I didn't say that the posters here were such people.
I'm going to hold this up as yet another example of how some people are completely out of touch with what's going on in the wider GAA beyond Ireland's shores.
The traditional GAA clubs in the USA, founded by Irish emigrants, for years have adopted a business model built on bringing players out from Ireland for the summer. They would put teams on the field that had little or no connection to the places in which they were based, and rumours have been rife for years about under-the-table payments to entice the bigger name players. Hardly sticking to the spirit of the GAA or its ethos, is it?
Meanwhile the "less traditional" GAA clubs like Milwaukee and Indianapolis were started by Americans for Americans. Milwaukee taught themselves how to play hurling and ran their internal league for the best part of ten years before they even affiliated to the GAA. They have no interest in summer players from Ireland, for them it's all about local players representing their local team. Bit closer to the GAA's ethos, wouldn't you say?
Indianapolis run a similar internal league and they've been known to turn down offers from Irish students who want to come out and play for them. For them it's all about players from Indy representing Indy. This is why there's always more noise from the crowd in the junior competitions at the North American playoffs than in the senior games. A lot of the senior teams full of Irish players are all-star teams that were stitched together a few months before. The junior teams full of Americans have been together for years.
The clubs that stick closest to the GAA's ethos tend to be the ones started by Americans for Americans.
The clubs that fly in the face of the GAA's ethos tend to be started by Irish expats in certain cities.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
But in these other places it is not a community building organisation,it is a novelty.
Jesus wept! You really haven't a clue, have you? Have you ever even traveled outside your county, to say nothing of outside your country?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 12, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
But in these other places it is not a community building organisation,it is a novelty.
Jesus wept! You really haven't a clue, have you? Have you ever even traveled outside your county, to say nothing of outside your country?
So you think I never leave my thatched cottage, .not like you flashy yanks with your railroads and automobiles. I do leave my county, I've been in Louth, Down and Monaghan and a guy once took me in the pony and trap to Kingscourt.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 12, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
But in these other places it is not a community building organisation,it is a novelty.
Jesus wept! You really haven't a clue, have you? Have you ever even traveled outside your county, to say nothing of outside your country?
So you think I never leave my thatched cottage, .not like you flashy yanks with your railroads and automobiles. I do leave my county, I've been in Louth, Down and Monaghan and a guy once took me in the pony and trap to Kingscourt.
If the Armagh railway gets the go ahead you'll be able to visit Antrim and Derry all in one day. Such times we live in.
What's that you were saying about playing the man instead of the ball?
Sky viewing figures were a tad on the positive side of reality. It seems the real viewing figure for the hurling final was less than 10% of the usual Sky Sports Sunday audience.
http://balls.ie/gaa/258965-the-gaas-sky-deal/
Quote from: armaghniac on January 29, 2015, 10:10:42 PM
Sky viewing figures were a tad on the positive side of reality. It seems the real viewing figure for the hurling final was less than 10% of the usual Sky Sports Sunday audience.
http://balls.ie/gaa/258965-the-gaas-sky-deal/
I watched it live in a pub outside in Leeds. There was about 400 in the beer garden watching it. I wonder did he count them?
How many watched the first super bowl or were at the first Munster Heineken cup home game? Claiming that small viewing figures in Britain prove something is patently daft but to be fair to armaghniac that hasn't stopped him. He'll no doubt say that's playing the man not the ball but when you make outlandish claims as he has repeatedly done it's hard not to focus on the guy posting that nonsense.
Quote from: Zulu on January 29, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
How many watched the first super bowl or were at the first Munster Heineken cup home game? Claiming that small viewing figures in Britain prove something is patently daft but to be fair to armaghniac that hasn't stopped him. He'll no doubt say that's playing the man not the ball but when you make outlandish claims as he has repeatedly done it's hard not to focus on the guy posting that nonsense.
Why this hostility towards me personally? I didn't make any statement as to the significance of this information, I merely stated that the figures had been overstated. Whatever way you look at it, accurate data is surely useful?
Absolutely and I'd never want the GAA to manipulate the facts but you've repeatedly tried to paint the GAA abroad as something it's not. Did you post this information simply as a point of interest?
Quote from: Zulu on January 29, 2015, 11:20:18 PM
Absolutely and I'd never want the GAA to manipulate the facts but you've repeatedly tried to paint the GAA abroad as something it's not. Did you post this information simply as a point of interest?
There is something in the media about the GAA, there is a thread here about the deal with Sky, with many things in it, it seems reasonable to post such things on Gaaboard. Do you want me to delete the post?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/ucd-report-puts-a-cloud-over-sky-deal-309350.html
Viewing figures to eat your heart out.
Still, money in the bank. Take that all you people who don't support all seater stadiums in Cork and Belfast.
Well well well. One year's numbers during a World Cup.
Let's see how we're doing at the tail end of the 3-year deal and how much of an audience has been built up.
BTW I hear that Channel 7 in Australia is dropping the GAA. At the risk of saying "I told you so," it has to be presented by local people for local people and shown at a good viewing time for them in an edited highlights show if the time difference precludes live coverage. If you just take RTE's feed and drop the negativity of Brolly and Spillane onto Australian TV then of course the viewers are going to switch off. The pundits explicitly tell them to switch off.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 30, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
Well well well. One year's numbers during a World Cup.
Let's see how we're doing at the tail end of the 3-year deal and how much of an audience has been built up.
What audience would represent success?
Quote from: deiseach on January 30, 2015, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 30, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
Well well well. One year's numbers during a World Cup.
Let's see how we're doing at the tail end of the 3-year deal and how much of an audience has been built up.
What audience would represent success?
7 billion
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2015, 09:38:16 AM
Quote from: deiseach on January 30, 2015, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 30, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
Well well well. One year's numbers during a World Cup.
Let's see how we're doing at the tail end of the 3-year deal and how much of an audience has been built up.
What audience would represent success?
7 billion
Bare minimum!!!
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 29, 2015, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 29, 2015, 11:20:18 PM
Absolutely and I'd never want the GAA to manipulate the facts but you've repeatedly tried to paint the GAA abroad as something it's not. Did you post this information simply as a point of interest?
There is something in the media about the GAA, there is a thread here about the deal with Sky, with many things in it, it seems reasonable to post such things on Gaaboard. Do you want me to delete the post?
Of course not, but if the point you're trying to make is that the deal has failed to meet it's stated objectives then you are not proving anything at all? The NFL will play 3 regular season games in Britain next year, do you think they could have done that when the sport was first shown on British TV? The sky deal makes it easier for non-Irish viewers in Britain to see the games, what impact that will have on clubs over here or the general level of interest in the games will take quite a few years to establish.
QuoteAnalysing the figures for Sky Sports' live coverage of 22 Championship games last year, Rouse states: "Ultimately, the average viewership of Sky's GAA coverage of all the people watching television at any given time in Britain, amounted to .25%."
I'd say Sky would get better viewing figures putting on re-runs of the 2005 Ashes. There are going to have to be a lot more bums on couches for Sky to renew the deal.
Quote from: deiseach on January 30, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
QuoteAnalysing the figures for Sky Sports' live coverage of 22 Championship games last year, Rouse states: "Ultimately, the average viewership of Sky's GAA coverage of all the people watching television at any given time in Britain, amounted to .25%."
I'd say Sky would get better viewing figures putting on re-runs of the 2005 Ashes. There are going to have to be a lot more bums on couches for Sky to renew the deal.
Would that quarter of 1% include the folk in the black north?
How would that quarter of 1% compare number wise to the number in Ireland who missed out these matches due to Sky? (ie total viewership up or down?)
Quote from: deiseach on January 30, 2015, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 30, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
Well well well. One year's numbers during a World Cup.
Let's see how we're doing at the tail end of the 3-year deal and how much of an audience has been built up.
What audience would represent success?
As a GAA man I'm not so much interested in audience size, I'd be more interested in how much interest it generates in the game in terms of recruitment of new players. If the increase is measurable and bigger than it was without TV coverage then I'd consider that a success. I know the TV channels are only interested in audience size though, but you'd need to ask them what they would consider a success.
So the lads have disallowed Clare's SKY motion for Congress (from 2017, all championship games to be free to air). This with all the manipulated facts is fast turning me off the deal.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 11, 2015, 04:39:55 PM
So the lads have disallowed Clare's SKY motion for Congress (from 2017, all championship games to be free to air). This with all the manipulated facts is fast turning me off the deal.
Some shock there.
;)
I've no issue with sky's involvement - they offer a better product than rte, they do this strange thing were they actually analyse the game at hand rather than listen to Spillane et al spout same thing they've been talking about for a decade.
Last year we found ourselves watching the all Ireland semis and final on sky.
Paul Rouse:
"One of the GAA's stated reasons for entering the deal was to provide coverage for the emigrant community. GAA General Secretary Paraic Duffy stated at the time that 11 million households in Britain had Sky Sports. In fact the figure was actually four million. And another fact is that the emigrant community already had access to GAA games. Premier Sports, part of the Setanta Sports group, provided 100 games a year, not just championship games but all the games shown on TG4, Setanta, TV3 and RTE, for a subscription fee of £10 a month.
Premier's commitment to the GAA also extended to sponsoring Warwickshire GAA. But under the Sky deal they were prevented from showing 20 live games exclusive to that broadcaster, which meant GAA fans in Britain had to pay an extra subscription. Because of the Sky deal the GAAGO service is only available on a reduced basis to the largest emigrant community of all, the one in Britain.
As Rouse points out, "Ultimately, when you take away the rhetoric of serving emigrants what you are left with is the provision of a service that was already available but was now fragmented, and now cost at least three times the established price."
I think Paul (I know him a bit, he's a smart guy) is probably right in his figures, but as I said when this happened, I don't see any negative to the games being available on Sky to Irish people in the UK and to foreigners exposed to our games for the first time. I just can't see how that is a bad thing.
Of course I do see that the fact that you have to pay for Sky means that in Ireland there are people who are now not able to view some of the games, and this is a pity, and I would not like to see Sky getting exclusive rights for any more than what they have now.
I would prefer the Clare wording, where all televised games are available on terrestrial, and on Sky in addition if they were interested. However I can see why that would not be ideal from the Sky perspective, but the GAA are saying this is not about TV rights monies per se (and the numbers back that up), so they need to play the maximum exposure angle, and that would be the games on both Sky and Terrestrial TV.
I still think Sky are doing a decent job on the games, I do think it provides an avenue for our games to be recognised amongst a wider audience, and anything that makes RTE perhaps rethink their tired approach is a good thing.
I'd be interested to hear what the likes of Jinxy, Zulu and the like have seen/heard over the water. Especially Zulu who is involved in coaching native kids in our games. Are there any anecdotes of friends watching or whatever?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 12, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
Paul Rouse:
"One of the GAA's stated reasons for entering the deal was to provide coverage for the emigrant community. GAA General Secretary Paraic Duffy stated at the time that 11 million households in Britain had Sky Sports. In fact the figure was actually four million. And another fact is that the emigrant community already had access to GAA games. Premier Sports, part of the Setanta Sports group, provided 100 games a year, not just championship games but all the games shown on TG4, Setanta, TV3 and RTE, for a subscription fee of £10 a month.
Premier's commitment to the GAA also extended to sponsoring Warwickshire GAA. But under the Sky deal they were prevented from showing 20 live games exclusive to that broadcaster, which meant GAA fans in Britain had to pay an extra subscription. Because of the Sky deal the GAAGO service is only available on a reduced basis to the largest emigrant community of all, the one in Britain.
As Rouse points out, "Ultimately, when you take away the rhetoric of serving emigrants what you are left with is the provision of a service that was already available but was now fragmented, and now cost at least three times the established price."
The above is all true but their must be a few caveats. Firstly, Premier Sports provision was often unreliable in the respect that it often didn't show what it was listed to show, especially when it used to show the Sunday Game about once every 3 weeks. Secondly, you still need the Sky platform to get Premier Sports coverage so saying it just costs £10 a month is not accurate and you would need some form of Sky package. If assuming that people already had Sky to get the Premier coverage then it may also be a relatively reasonable to assume that they may have Sky Sports - remember there is more than just the GAA on offer for the price on Sky Sports, this would have enabled them to access the games for no extra cost. This was the position I was in and many of my mates. Thirdly, there is a lot of questioning the viewing figures for Sky's coverage but I wouldn't mind seeing this as a comparison to that of Premier Sports. Finally, as someone who is heavily involved in coaching and promoting the game in England, I can report that there has be very little change in the number of kids taking up the sport in our region. In Yorkshire the GAA has cricket, Rugby Union, Soccer and especially Rugby League to compete with and it will take more than just 20 matches on Sky to change the mindsets of the parents, who are the ones who will ultimately make the decision as to which game their kids play. On a more personal experience though as a teacher in a sixth form college, where the students obviously are aware that I'm Irish, i have had loads of students coming up to me and asking me to explain the rules, asking if I'd watched the match at the weekend and who I supported etc. As a result we have quite a few Tyrone supporters over here now who appreciate the art of defending in Gaelic Football. ;D Joking aside though, in my experience, awareness is being created but it will take time before this is reflected in numbers on the pitch.
In my experience games on tv or otherwise have absolutely no impact on the levels of participation.
We seem to be wedded to the idea (or is that peddled the idea) that audience exposure = increased participation when it's total nonsense imo.
Alot of people watched the superbowl in this country but there's no rush to send kids to play american football.
Quote from: sheamy on February 12, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
In my experience games on tv or otherwise have absolutely no impact on the levels of participation.
We seem to be wedded to the idea (or is that peddled the idea) that audience exposure = increased participation when it's total nonsense imo.
Alot of people watched the superbowl in this country but there's no rush to send kids to play american football.
Funny you should say that. I've seen at least 3 sets of kids around my estate in Newport throwing around an American Football since shortly before Christmas. They've asked me to play quarterback for them a couple of times and throw passes to them. This is purely on the basis of watching it on TV.
I remember when I was growing up, when Wimbledon was on I'd be out in the tennis courts as Ivan Lendl or Becker for 2 weeks. The Masters or British Open saw me on the pitch and putt court. If we had a Tennis Club or a Golf Club in easy access I'd certainly have joined up as a 'fad' for at least a while.
If we provide easy access to clubs in the UK then you might get some lads taking it up as a fad, and some of them will stick at it.
I know AZ. I used to do the same when I was a kid. Pretended to play cricket with a hurl and tennis ball and american football and all sorts of stuff.
there's a big step to go to formally set up clubs and retain children's interest though and organise fixtures.
they're fads as you say.
The easy access to clubs has nothing (or very little) to do with sky sports though. It's about well run clubs and numbers of good volunteers. The people who really promote the GAA on the front line are the people in clubs, not sky sports and not croke park.
I suppose what I'm saying is there was very little access to cricket, tennis and golf clubs for me as a kid. If there were those clubs, I'm sure I'd have toddled along.
So therefore, if we have GAA clubs in the UK that people are aware of, or can find easily, then they may well pick up a few of these curious people and by virtue of doing things well, they may turn the fad into a proper hobby or commitment.
Quote from: sheamy on February 12, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
I know AZ. I used to do the same when I was a kid. Pretended to play cricket with a hurl and tennis ball and american football and all sorts of stuff.
there's a big step to go to formally set up clubs and retain children's interest though and organise fixtures.
they're fads as you say.
The easy access to clubs has nothing (or very little) to do with sky sports though. It's about well run clubs and numbers of good volunteers. The people who really promote the GAA on the front line are the people in clubs, not sky sports and not croke park.
I couldn't agree more, but we aren't expecting people to watch GAA on Sky and set up a formal club. The clubs are in place already with good volunteers and if a few extra kids come along then brilliant, but it takes a bit of time and a push from the clubs to turn a passing interest into a genuine hobby.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2015, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: sheamy on February 12, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
I know AZ. I used to do the same when I was a kid. Pretended to play cricket with a hurl and tennis ball and american football and all sorts of stuff.
there's a big step to go to formally set up clubs and retain children's interest though and organise fixtures.
they're fads as you say.
The easy access to clubs has nothing (or very little) to do with sky sports though. It's about well run clubs and numbers of good volunteers. The people who really promote the GAA on the front line are the people in clubs, not sky sports and not croke park.
I couldn't agree more, but we aren't expecting people to watch GAA on Sky and set up a formal club. The clubs are in place already with good volunteers and if a few extra kids come along then brilliant, but it takes a bit of time and a push from the clubs to turn a passing interest into a genuine hobby.
'xactly.
not disagreeing with anyone here. Just making the point that there's a very weak correlation between televised games and participation in GAA.
we're told 'promotion and exposure of the games' is paramount and above all else. What this actually translates to is 'maximising revenue opportunies to pay for all seater stadia' is above all else.
I also agree with you there sheamy. I don't see any bad aspects to increasing our exposure, but as I've said on a few other threads, I believe the motivation is not for exposure or particpation's sake, it is to try and maximise the 'brand' and revenue streams.
At what point do we cease to raise money to support the game, and begin changing the games to raise money?
I agree. We've already crossed that line or are dangerously close to it, AZ.
Also, what is the long term vision for this global GAA?
Do we envisage that we will build stadiums in other countries specifically for GAA?
G stands for Gaelic. Are we seeking to embed Gaelic culture and language in other areas of the world?
And you hit the nail on the head. Nevermind the games changing, at what point does the culture and 'brand GAA' itself change when it needs to be altered to further capture more revenue and more 'exposure'?
Coming back to the thread title, Sky will either walk away from the GAA or they'll take over completely like they have in english soccer. Their entire history shows evidence of that. This 'middle of the road' approach does not exist in their makeup.
Quote from: sheamy on February 12, 2015, 03:40:34 PM
not disagreeing with anyone here. Just making the point that there's a very weak correlation between televised games and participation in GAA.
we're told 'promotion and exposure of the games' is paramount and above all else. What this actually translates to is 'maximising revenue opportunies to pay for all seater stadia' is above all else.
You're right sheamy. Studies have shown that if the goal is increased participation, the best payoff for investment is in organisation. Not facilities, but people who will facilitate participation and an organisation that supports them. In other words, the lads down at the club on a Saturday morning with the kids and the setup that supports that. I'd guess the reason you see this all over the country, in all sports is because it's what works best.
As regards TV exposure, apart from short-term faddism, as mentioned by AZ, increased TV exposure does not lead to sustained increases in participation. It does, as you might expect lead to increased spectating on TV!
Would disagree with very little in the last few posts. On the TV exposure issue I would simply say it won't do us any harm in Britain and it does make things a bit easier when you can tell parents a big game is on this Sunday on Sky 3 or whatever. I enjoy American football but wouldn't have played as an adult, however, if my kids lived near a youth American football club I'd bring them along if they were interested so I think we'll see a few parents looking for GAA clubs as a result of the games being on Sky. If we have well run clubs for them we should start to pick up more players. This could take many years though.
I've no interest in promoting the GAA abroad as a 'Gaelic' thing. For me it's up to the people who play it to make of it what they want. That's the way it is in Ireland anyway where many people would only have the GAA in common. We have kids of Polish and Pakistani backgrounds and kids whose parents are Rangers season ticket holders and I love that about the underage GAA here.
On the global development of the GAA, I think many Irish based GAA folk are unrealistic about the timescale and potential for the GAA internationally. I can't ever see the need for a GAA stadium anywhere outside Ireland in the next 100 years at least. You would need to have a business plan for development which would entail creating a critical mass of players and club volunteers in cities, i.e a plan to develop 20-30 clubs in Birmingham in the next 20 years or something. We will have to develop slowly (and painfully oft times) to grow the game. For example, there are plans to develop better links between the British counties at underage but that is more challenging than you'd think.
The knock on impact of the EPL deal is likely to be that Sky, if they renew their GAA deal, will be trying to trim the cost of doing so.
Would it not be an idea that if the GAA offer a package of games to Sky that the package includes games that would not get televised live otherwise (club, minor, U21, inter provincial, league etc)
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
I use GAAGO in London, its a grand job. Not enough games though, and ten quid per game if you dont buy the season pass is a bit much. It is handy though because I can't get Sky where I live so if it wasnt for GAAGO I couldnt see the games. I dont think the Sky deal is is a good idea. If Sky are showing a game, it cant be shown on GAAGO, the GAA's own channel!
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Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
That was me. I think if a sport is to take root, it has to draw from native non-irish as well. If it's to always stay as a pastime for irish ex-pats so be it , but any growth would have to feature the 'natives'.
Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
It's great watching non irish kids enjoying the game. I took an enhancement at my 6th form college whereby, with help from the county Games development officer, we put a group of students through their foundation and level 1 coaching certificates. Once this was completed we allocated them a local primary school were they coached the game to year 4,5 and 6. Most of the lads involved in the coaching were non Irish, but were a massive asset to what we were trying to do. As part of the process we took one of the primary school teams from leeds to Birmingham for a blitz and the team was made up of lads from all different colours, creeds and backgrounds. (Even a young Samoan kid in goals) While they were training for the event they were as enthusiastic as any irish kids would be and their skill level even after just a few sessions was superb. Unfortunately most of the better ones were either signed by Leeds Utd, Leeds Rhinos or Yorkshire cricket clubs and it was difficult to attract them away from that. That to me is the challenge and if we want to develop the game then we need to make GAA as attractive as an alternative. Being on a Sky may not be the reason why this might happen but it adds to credibility of of the game. Gaelic football is too good a sport to be kept to just the Irish, let's get everyone playing and see where it takes us.
If you propose a motion to unilaterally change the terms of a legally-binding contract, it's a good bet it's going to be ruled out of order. Better that than have it pass only to be ruled illegal on a court of law.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 12, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
If you propose a motion to unilaterally change the terms of a legally-binding contract, it's a good bet it's going to be ruled out of order. Better that than have it pass only to be ruled illegal on a court of law.
The proposal was for AFTER the current deal expired as far as I am aware.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
Why wouldn't we want non-Irish playing our games, especially when we are playing them in their countries?
Btw, I agree Benny we need to work towards making GAA an attractive alternative to the main sports. We may lose some of the more talented players but that's going to happen anyway so we should focus on providing players with a decent, structured season.
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Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
Why wouldn't we want non-Irish playing our games, especially when we are playing them in their countries?
Btw, I agree Benny we need to work towards making GAA an attractive alternative to the main sports. We may lose some of the more talented players but that's going to happen anyway so we should focus on providing players with a decent, structured season.
Yes, that's the key thing, though that's even difficult at senior level here.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 12, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
If you propose a motion to unilaterally change the terms of a legally-binding contract, it's a good bet it's going to be ruled out of order. Better that than have it pass only to be ruled illegal on a court of law.
2017. Do pay attention.
Still, they ruled it not either a rule or an enactment of a rule which is kinda hard to argue with.
Better luck next year!
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2015, 09:44:07 PM
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Quote from: Old yeller on February 12, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Why would anybody care whether the games are played by "natives"? I dont get it.
What do you mean by natives?
Someone referred to non irish in other countries as natives earlier.
Why wouldn't we want non-Irish playing our games, especially when we are playing them in their countries?
Btw, I agree Benny we need to work towards making GAA an attractive alternative to the main sports. We may lose some of the more talented players but that's going to happen anyway so we should focus on providing players with a decent, structured season.
Yes, that's the key thing, though that's even difficult at senior level here.
True, but easier at underage level I hope if we get enough players who will at least pick GAA as their second sport. Were looking to link up with Yorkshire schools and underage clubs btw so if you've anything going on in your area let me know.
almost impossible to give a decent, structured season when you are dealing with 4 seperate entities and treating them all with(Ahem) Parity of Esteem
Senior Club hurling and Football along with Senior couunty hurling and Football are not allowed to clash esp in dual counties some county football championships are posponed indefinetly un till the county is out of the Hurling championship for the sake of one or two players
this is madness and some one has to bite the bullet and maybe completley seperate all 4 or else we will be discussing this in 20 years time
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
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Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Strange way of looking at it but I understand where you're coming from. I see it as Sky getting a high profile manager who has been there done that and would have more than a little insight into defensive systems that are now prevalent.
I would suggest that he will have more cleverness and insight to offer than the topless darts style of punditry favoured by Rte.
Will the new pundits, Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney raise the profile of Sky Sports, from a few hundred viewers to a little bit more than that, or a little bit less? definitely good news though, is that Sky Sports have the exclusive on the other semi-final side, the dark (darker?) side of the Ulster championship draw.
Hundreds of thousands of GAA aficionados will be doing something else that day, other than watching that Ulster semi final. That's not a bad thing, is it?
Quote from: rrhf on May 05, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
I would suggest that he will have more cleverness and insight to offer than the topless darts style of punditry favoured by Rte.
That's an awful thing to say about topless darts.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 05, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
I would suggest that he will have more cleverness and insight to offer than the topless darts style of punditry favoured by Rte.
That's an awful thing to say about topless darts.
Whoa! Rewind.
Tell me more about this topless darts....
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Quote from: rrhf on May 05, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
I would suggest that he will have more cleverness and insight to offer than the topless darts style of punditry favoured by Rte.
That's an awful thing to say about topless darts.
Whoa! Rewind.
Tell me more about this topless darts....
Don't know what you were missing;
Was it the first go at Cable TV in Belfast, Cabletel or something or other where you got a set top box and one of the free channels was LiveTV which had two ladies playing darts with their front bits on display. To spruce it up a bit, they changed the location, an ice rink somewhere and when the budget allowed, a fancy moon set IIRC.
rrhf can confirm.
Two tits throwing sharp points around...
Probably the funniest book I ever read.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-TV-Telly-Topless-Tabloid/dp/0671015745
I was working in the "meejah" at the time and it rang so true.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 08, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Probably the funniest book I ever read.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-TV-Telly-Topless-Tabloid/dp/0671015745
I was working in the "meejah" at the time and it rang so true.
Remember Tiffany Banister and her big city tips? Hot girl would read out the latest financial news while taking off her. She'd start off all buttoned up with the hair tied up and wearing glasses. By the time she was done she was down to her bra and the last thing she did was let the hair down while updating us on the FTSE 100 share index and give a sexy wink.
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers.
And in order to market the product to their customers they have to promote GAA.
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 08, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Probably the funniest book I ever read.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-TV-Telly-Topless-Tabloid/dp/0671015745
I was working in the "meejah" at the time and it rang so true.
Can't argue with £0.01 in fairness.
Any of you lads in Britain thinking of signing up to Premier Sports, I got this text today from them offering 2 months for £1. Will get me through to nearly August.
Watch 25 GAA Championship games on TV!
Use promo code: GAAONE and get 2 month subscription for only £1.
Subscribe at www.premiersports.tv or call 0871 663 9000.
Doing a great job this year I think. Their post game analysis of the game in comparison to RTE is light years ahead. The Sunday Game people really should watch and learn how it is really done as their effort is getting embarrassing for a so called national broadcaster.
I agree, cracking presentation and analysis is top drawer and this comes from a person who was a big critic when this was 1st announced.
Can someone explain how the RTE hurling analysts are so much more positive than their football counterparts? Kilkenny beat Waterford in one of the most boring games of hurling I've ever laid eyes on. There was next to no passion and the Waterford "sweeper" tactics made for grim viewing. Yet after the game not a single man seen fit to declare the death of hurling imminent or criticise Waterford for bastardising the national sport, in fact they hardly mentioned any of it in a negative light at all.
What's it now for Kilkenny? 14 finals in 17 years or something similar? Where's the outcry against the lack of competitiveness in the hurling AI? I mean jesus, Dublin win 3 AI's in 25 years or so and suddenly the collapse of gaelic football is supposedly upon us.
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942529/the-difference-in-quality-across-gaa
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Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Remember it well from my student days when Cabletel hit the holylands back in the day. Everything stopped for the topless darts and business news on Live TV. I think even the weather girl removed some items of clothing.
It was so bad it was good, heck even saw it mentioned the other night on Channel 5 or something about the worst TV shows of the 90's.
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Sky are doing a helluva better job on promoting GAA throughout forensic match analysis. It's a product I'd rather enjoy than the tabloid trash talkers on RTE.
Quote from: qz on August 11, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Sky are doing a helluva better job on promoting GAA throughout forensic match analysis. It's a product I'd rather enjoy than the tabloid trash talkers on RTE.
to a lot less viewers, known in the business as ar$e about face promotion :)
Quote from: JoG2 on August 11, 2015, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: qz on August 11, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Sky are doing a helluva better job on promoting GAA throughout forensic match analysis. It's a product I'd rather enjoy than the tabloid trash talkers on RTE.
to a lot less viewers, known in the business as ar$e about face promotion :)
Whatever it's known as, they are doing a better job than RTE.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 11, 2015, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: qz on August 11, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Sky are doing a helluva better job on promoting GAA throughout forensic match analysis. It's a product I'd rather enjoy than the tabloid trash talkers on RTE.
to a lot less viewers, known in the business as ar$e about face promotion :)
Whatever it's known as, they are doing a better job than RTE.
if its worth an extra £50 odd / month to you for their analysis, who am I to argue?
You seem to be arguing that their analysis is not better because you have to subscribe to Sky Sports?
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the Sky Sports 'deal' , I think we went over that a fair bit back in the day. All I'm saying is the Sky analysts and the way they present the games is far better than RTE, after not even 2 years of trying. It's more of a reflection on RTE than anything else I think. And the sad thing is a lot of people predicted exactly that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
You seem to be arguing that their analysis is not better because you have to subscribe to Sky Sports?
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the Sky Sports 'deal' , I think we went over that a fair bit back in the day. All I'm saying is the Sky analysts and the way they present the games is far better than RTE, after not even 2 years of trying. It's more of a reflection on RTE than anything else I think. And the sad thing is a lot of people predicted exactly that.
I agree, I enjoy the Sky coverage far far more than what RTE serve up.
I no longer listen to the half time analysis from RTE, nor do I watch the sunday game anymore.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2015, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
You seem to be arguing that their analysis is not better because you have to subscribe to Sky Sports?
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the Sky Sports 'deal' , I think we went over that a fair bit back in the day. All I'm saying is the Sky analysts and the way they present the games is far better than RTE, after not even 2 years of trying. It's more of a reflection on RTE than anything else I think. And the sad thing is a lot of people predicted exactly that.
I agree, I enjoy the Sky coverage far far more than what RTE serve up.
I no longer listen to the half time analysis from RTE, nor do I watch the sunday game anymore.
I am in the same boat, much prefer Sky's coverage.
I have only seen the Sky analysis very recently but I think it is miles ahead of RTE.
TSG stuff is tabloid level by comparison.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 11, 2015, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 11, 2015, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: qz on August 11, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Jim McGuinness & JJ Delaney have joined the team
does his level best to ruin the sport, then join's Murdoch's Sky trying to promote the thing. Good man Jim !
Sky are not trying to promote GAA. They are trying to market a product offering to their customers. Theres an interesting piece on the front page of the sports section of the sindo today. A guy called Steve Smith Head of Production at Sky Sports talking about Skys GAA coverage.
What struck me when reading was that the debate about professionalism in the GAA is long over. Now its a question of when and how.
The GAA have sold our games as a commercial product with commercial value on yhe open market. To create a product with commercial value requires the acquisition of resources. These resources also command a commercial value. It will not happen quickly but more like glacial flow or the shifting of tectonic plates. At some point there will have to be an earthquake and we will all realise the ground has shifted beneath our feet.
Sky are doing a helluva better job on promoting GAA throughout forensic match analysis. It's a product I'd rather enjoy than the tabloid trash talkers on RTE.
to a lot less viewers, known in the business as ar$e about face promotion :)
Whatever it's known as, they are doing a better job than RTE.
if its worth an extra £50 odd / month to you for their analysis, who am I to argue?
It would be interesting to know how many houses in Ireland have access to SkySports via a Sky package or indeed a 'dream box' setup.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
You seem to be arguing that their analysis is not better because you have to subscribe to Sky Sports?
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the Sky Sports 'deal' , I think we went over that a fair bit back in the day. All I'm saying is the Sky analysts and the way they present the games is far better than RTE, after not even 2 years of trying. It's more of a reflection on RTE than anything else I think. And the sad thing is a lot of people predicted exactly that.
not at all. What I'm saying is, it may well be better, who wouldn't want to see wee Pete standing up beside a big TV, but for me, its not £50 odd quid / month better, justification and all that (if that makes sense)
But is the Sky presentation team not just a rehash of TV3 presentation/pundits?
Half time interval perfect time for making a pot of tea and getting some bickies for the 2nd half.
Ah right. I get you, but I wasn't referring to the price you had to pay or anything. Simply that the analysis, attitude and presentation is better. Anyhow, sin é.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 11, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
But is the Sky presentation team not just a rehash of TV3 presentation/pundits?
Half time interval perfect time for making a pot of tea and getting some bickies for the 2nd half.
Nah, they have Rachel Wyse instead of Matt Cooper :)
Seriously, no. Some of the same lads appear, like Jamsie and Canavan, but lads like Jimmy McGuinness and Ollie Canning are good, and Peter and Jamsie are given more room to talk and illustrate on Sky, and come across much better. They explain why things are happening, or what adjustments could be made, rather than the RTE thing of just describing what's happened.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
Ah right. I get you, but I wasn't referring to the price you had to pay or anything. Simply that the analysis, attitude and presentation is better. Anyhow, sin é.
Re rte, I could listen to O'Rourke and McStay all day long, big Whelan too, but I've had my absolute fill of Brolly and Spillane (Spillane a long time ago).
I've enough of RTE's attitude, yes largely driven by Joe Brolly and Spillane. The 'Everything is going to hell in a hand cart' brigade. They just really make you feel like you should hate football. In fairness, the hurling analysts on RTE are far better, and are probably better characters than the Sky lads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 04:12:29 PM
I've enough of RTE's attitude, yes largely driven by Joe Brolly and Spillane. The 'Everything is going to hell in a hand cart' brigade. They just really make you feel like you should hate football. In fairness, the hurling analysts on RTE are far better, and are probably better characters than the Sky lads.
In fairness this year everything has went a bit tits up in football. Truly terrible championship this year. Just the reasons aren't really 'puke football'.
Maybe, but they've been like this for a good few years at this stage. It's like the boy that cried wolf.
Why can't RTÉ just get the crew from Seó Spóirt to double job on Sundays as Béarla?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2015, 04:38:21 PM
Why can't RTÉ just get the crew from Seó Spóirt to double job on Sundays as Béarla?
Dara O'Cinneide is utterly wasted on that show.
The best part of Sky's coverage is that they have lads there who aren't long out of the game and know what's happening.
O'Se is a bit loose on the co-commentating but good in the studio. I like Earley as co-commentator. Senan Connell is a bit of a spoofer but to be fair McGuinness and Canavan are both excellent and Wyse is very good at pulling the thing together along with Carney being fairly switched on with the whole thing.
I could listen to Jim McGuinness talk football all day long (another excellent article in the Times today) and Canavan has a great grasp of modern day tactics and showing the viewer exactly what's going on.
Contrast this with the bile of 'th th th' of O'Rourke, 'intinsity and shi'ite football' of Spillane and the 'howl on howl on' of Brolly on RTE and there is no comparison!
(It's not worth £50 though)
I'll be watching all the games on RTE 2 from now on - we've only got SD Sky Sports and RTE 2 is in HD. I doubt I'll be bothering to switch over at the half either. It all matters a lot less than we think here I'd say.
Sky are leagues ahead of RTE in terms of analysis already, I hope they get more games next year.
The pigeons are more detailed on SKY HD as well.
So another year over. Has the sky deal done anything for GAA in the UK. Has its audience grown or I guess its fallen away or stagnant.
It's probably been a bad deal for Sky who probably saw no sign of a return on their investment and the GAA got their money but the so called growing of the game abroad isn't happening from what I can see.
Quote from: thejuice on September 20, 2015, 08:39:37 PM
So another year over. Has the sky deal done anything for GAA in the UK. Has its audience grown or I guess its fallen away or stagnant.
It's probably been a bad deal for Sky who probably saw no sign of a return on their investment and the GAA got their money but the so called growing of the game abroad isn't happening from what I can see.
I'm interested to hear what you have to back this up?
Well if I'm honest not much beyond that clubs around England where I am aren't getting many new recruits from outside the Irish diaspora. Looking online I don't see any indicators of a non-Irish audience emerging as a result of the games being on Sky.
But please show me I'm wrong.
I saw something during the week that the viewing numbers for the hurling final were through the floor
I don't have any evidence either way but I'm not making broad statements that are supported by next to nothing. Nor would I expect hundreds or even dozens to be joining clubs because they saw one or two games on TV. I don't know if Sky will help us in Britain but we won't know for a good few years either way so making statements like you did is pretty pointless.
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
I saw something during the week that the viewing numbers for the hurling final were through the floor
Does through the floor = Poor, (opposite of Through the roof = Great!)?
PERHAPS it was the sight of Kilkenny winning yet another All-Ireland hurling title, but UK viewers of Sky's GAA coverage appear to have been turning off in droves.
Just 32,000 people – roughly the population of Carrickfergus – tuned into Sky's coverage of Kilkenny against Galway in the Croke Park decider on September 6th, according to Paul Rouse, a professor at University College Dublin.
Kilkenny's four point win saw them collect their eleventh title in 16 years.
Sky has reportedly haemorrhaged viewers since the 2014 showpiece between Kilkenny and Tipperary, with the figure 70 percent lower this September than last.
The 2014 final attracted a peak audience of over 100,000 on Sky, which aims to bring GAA to the British market as part of a three-year deal agreed in April 2014.
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/09/17/news/sky-viewing-figures-slump-by-70-percent-for-all-ireland-hurling-final-264121/
The growth of American football in the UK in the last 15 years or so was something that was demonstrably a direct result of it being on sky. Teams around Britain and Ireland were recruiting more players than they can handle and new teams were starting every year. Sports websites and forums had NFL sections and pages when they didn't before. Viewing figures grew year on year and soon there were games being played to full houses in Wembley stadium.
That's what I'm comparing it to. Maybe it won't happen as fast or maybe sky need to buy the whole lot to provide the full story so that audiences are fully up to speed on things. I can't say but from what I see there is very little outside interest but I could be wrong.
American football was first on TV over here in the 80's and was dropped but had a second coming with Sky which just goes to show it can take many years for a game to take hold. Bear in mind that NFL has a proper season too unlike the farce that is the GAA season and American football can more easily grow by the nature of the sport and the fact that there isn't a lot of fairly high level players playing in Britain unlike the GAA. We need to grow through the kids, American football can grow through adults, we can't.
Sky won't be overly concerned about the English numbers. They'll be looking a the Irish ones. Since Sky got a monopoly on 2 of the 4 quarter finals, how have their Irish subscription (residential/commercial) figures changed? That's the immediate yield they are looking for from this deal.
So what then, we know the game isn't growing, (yet anyway) and sky aren't promoting GAA in Britain for the hell of it so we have to give them a bigger slice of the Irish pie to keep it going.
i honestly believe if we were serious about growing the game we should get out of the sky deal and put it on a channel that has a much wider reach like channel 4 or itv.
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 10:33:35 PM
American football was first on TV over here in the 80's and was dropped but had a second coming with Sky which just goes to show it can take many years for a game to take hold. Bear in mind that NFL has a proper season too unlike the farce that is the GAA season and American football can more easily grow by the nature of the sport and the fact that there isn't a lot of fairly high level players playing in Britain unlike the GAA. We need to grow through the kids, American football can grow through adults, we can't.
American football is not on the same time as soccer and has a free run on Sunday nights.
Sky sports have no interest in gaelic games, for the last several weeks since the soccer season started there has not been one add on sky for upcoming gaa games and I have seen adds for every other sort of a dogfight that they were showing. Maybe they have coped on that the gaa is parochial and will remain so and no amount of bullshit hype which sky do so well matters, the gaa need to launch their own sports channel covering all our games. Irish tv, amateur and all as it is has proved that their is an apatite there for all things Irish.
Quote from: thejuice on September 20, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
So what then, we know the game isn't growing, (yet anyway) and sky aren't promoting GAA in Britain for the hell of it so we have to give them a bigger slice of the Irish pie to keep it going.
i honestly believe if we were serious about growing the game we should get out of the sky deal and put it on a channel that has a much wider reach like channel 4 or itv.
ITV??? Didn't channel 4 drop NFL? Lets give sky a few years before we make any decisions.
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 20, 2015, 11:55:10 PM
Sky sports have no interest in gaelic games, for the last several weeks since the soccer season started there has not been one add on sky for upcoming gaa games and I have seen adds for every other sort of a dogfight that they were showing. Maybe they have coped on that the gaa is parochial and will remain so and no amount of bullshit hype which sky do so well matters, the gaa need to launch their own sports channel covering all our games. Irish tv, amateur and all as it is has proved that their is an apatite there for all things Irish.
To be honest I think the GAA could be on the cusp of a crisis. I expect a drop in attendances next year . Also crowds are dropping at local club games.
Look at the huge drop in leinster football over the last decade.
Just moved to the UK after living in the states for 10 years.
Sky's coverage was excellent, 100 times better than RTE. Intelligent analysis, great footballing debate, and analysts who were spot on in their analysis (who tried to predict how the teams were going to win)
Very positive even though the game was a dog fight. The GAA should award all coverage of GAA to Sky for 1 year, then tell RTE to get their finger out and do a professional job if they want the contract back
Seriously need a stop clock just like rugby, the last 10 minutes was ridiculous, I'd say the ball was in actual play for about 60 seconds (guess). With 2 mins to go in was thinking 5 mins injury, the game didn't start for another 2 mins and he did add it on even though he had probably already given the official the 4mins
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 20, 2015, 11:55:10 PM
Sky sports have no interest in gaelic games, for the last several weeks since the soccer season started there has not been one add on sky for upcoming gaa games and I have seen adds for every other sort of a dogfight that they were showing. Maybe they have coped on that the gaa is parochial and will remain so and no amount of bullshit hype which sky do so well matters, the gaa need to launch their own sports channel covering all our games. Irish tv, amateur and all as it is has proved that their is an apatite there for all things Irish.
Sky sports have no interest in any sport!!!
Bottom line with Sky is dosh.
Spot on ashman.
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 21, 2015, 02:08:41 AM
Just moved to the UK after living in the states for 10 years.
Sky's coverage was excellent, 100 times better than RTE. Intelligent analysis, great footballing debate, and analysts who were spot on in their analysis (who tried to predict how the teams were going to win)
Very positive even though the game was a dog fight. The GAA should award all coverage of GAA to Sky for 1 year, then tell RTE to get their finger out and do a professional job if they want the contract back
Leave rte out of the comparison, they have nothing to do with the 2nd GAA tv package. Comparisons between Sky's coverage and RTE's is comparing apples to oranges. One can compare Sky's coverage of their package to the TV3 efforts with a similar package up to 2013 and I suppose when you pay to hear Canavan, Darragh and the commentators on Sky, one can possibly convince themselves that they sound so much better than when they were on TV3. But the reality is TV3 did a very good job and did it without a subscription fee being required and with much more humble resources.
Somehow some people are deluded that Sky will promote GAA sports to a worldwide satellite couch potato audience and gain a foothold. That will never happen.
TV3 were a great success with their coverage and a good antidote to RTE's coverage. So far, Sky's audience figures have been pathetic and have resulted in hundreds of thousands of Irish people not watching a portion of championship games. And there have been no gains in UK audience switching on.
Sell games on subscription channels abroad by all means but don't mix and match with the home audience, it doesn't work to the benefit of irish gaa fans, the game and irish tv stations such as tv3 and tg4.
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2015, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 21, 2015, 02:08:41 AM
Just moved to the UK after living in the states for 10 years.
Sky's coverage was excellent, 100 times better than RTE. Intelligent analysis, great footballing debate, and analysts who were spot on in their analysis (who tried to predict how the teams were going to win)
Very positive even though the game was a dog fight. The GAA should award all coverage of GAA to Sky for 1 year, then tell RTE to get their finger out and do a professional job if they want the contract back
Leave rte out of the comparison, they have nothing to do with the 2nd GAA tv package. Comparisons between Sky's coverage and RTE's is comparing apples to oranges. One can compare Sky's coverage of their package to the TV3 efforts with a similar package up to 2013 and I suppose when you pay to hear Canavan, Darragh and the commentators on Sky, one can possibly convince themselves that they sound so much better than when they were on TV3. But the reality is TV3 did a very good job and did it without a subscription fee being required and with much more humble resources.
Somehow some people are deluded that Sky will promote GAA sports to a worldwide satellite couch potato audience and gain a foothold. That will never happen.
TV3 were a great success with their coverage and a good antidote to RTE's coverage. So far, Sky's audience figures have been pathetic and have resulted in hundreds of thousands of Irish people not watching a portion of championship games. And there have been no gains in UK audience switching on.
Sell games on subscription channels abroad by all means but don't mix and match with the home audience, it doesn't work to the benefit of irish gaa fans, the game and irish tv stations such as tv3 and tg4.
Sensible post
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2015, 09:22:09 PM
Leave rte out of the comparison, they have nothing to do with the 2nd GAA tv package. Comparisons between Sky's coverage and RTE's is comparing apples to oranges. One can compare Sky's coverage of their package to the TV3 efforts with a similar package up to 2013 and I suppose when you pay to hear Canavan, Darragh and the commentators on Sky, one can possibly convince themselves that they sound so much better than when they were on TV3. But the reality is TV3 did a very good job and did it without a subscription fee being required and with much more humble resources.
Somehow some people are deluded that Sky will promote GAA sports to a worldwide satellite couch potato audience and gain a foothold. That will never happen.
TV3 were a great success with their coverage and a good antidote to RTE's coverage. So far, Sky's audience figures have been pathetic and have resulted in hundreds of thousands of Irish people not watching a portion of championship games. And there have been no gains in UK audience switching on.
Sell games on subscription channels abroad by all means but don't mix and match with the home audience, it doesn't work to the benefit of irish gaa fans, the game and irish tv stations such as tv3 and tg4.
Well said, Main Street.
Every effort should be made to ensure that the GAA is made available to the maximum home audience.
Smoke and mirrors gentlemen. I live in Australia along with a huge diaspora. For years we were able to access the GAA and some other Irish sports through Setanta. Didnt have much build up or analysis but had the Live Games including some National League with repeats and highlights during the week. More than enough to keep the interest alive though. Next came the SKY deal at home and Setanta lost the rights to show games in OZ. GAA reasoned this as they were bringing the games to their people around the World and allowing games to be shown Free-to-Air on Channel 7. This lasted all of one year and included missing starts and finishes of some Games. Channel 7 proceeded to dump coverage alltogether and only access now in the home is GAAGO. Surprise surprise all money now goes to HQ
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on September 22, 2015, 06:11:25 AM
Smoke and mirrors gentlemen. I live in Australia along with a huge diaspora. For years we were able to access the GAA and some other Irish sports through Setanta. Didnt have much build up or analysis but had the Live Games including some National League with repeats and highlights during the week. More than enough to keep the interest alive though. Next came the SKY deal at home and Setanta lost the rights to show games in OZ. GAA reasoned this as they were bringing the games to their people around the World and allowing games to be shown Free-to-Air on Channel 7. This lasted all of one year and included missing starts and finishes of some Games. Channel 7 proceeded to dump coverage alltogether and only access now in the home is GAAGO. Surprise surprise all money now goes to HQ
Sure isn't that better? What do you think the GAA HQ does with the money? By subscribing to GAA Go you are actually helping the GAA as an organisation. How is that a bad thing?
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on September 22, 2015, 06:11:25 AM
Smoke and mirrors gentlemen. I live in Australia along with a huge diaspora. For years we were able to access the GAA and some other Irish sports through Setanta. Didnt have much build up or analysis but had the Live Games including some National League with repeats and highlights during the week. More than enough to keep the interest alive though. Next came the SKY deal at home and Setanta lost the rights to show games in OZ. GAA reasoned this as they were bringing the games to their people around the World and allowing games to be shown Free-to-Air on Channel 7. This lasted all of one year and included missing starts and finishes of some Games. Channel 7 proceeded to dump coverage alltogether and only access now in the home is GAAGO. Surprise surprise all money now goes to HQ
Sure isn't that better? What do you think the GAA HQ does with the money? By subscribing to GAA Go you are actually helping the GAA as an organisation. How is that a bad thing?
This is the bit I don't get.
There are valid arguments for and against the Sky deal but what do people have against money going to GAA HQ? Where do they think this money goes and where else would they like it to go? Do people have an image of men in suits with notes falling out of their pockets?
"The fat cats in Croke Park" is a phrase commonly read. Who are these overweight felines and what are they doing with our money?
Any money that these "fat cats" make for the GAA, gets redistributed down thru the clubs, capital grants etc etc. It's not like Padraig Duffy and Aodhan O'Fearail are heading off to the South of France in a private jet, for a knees up in Monte Carlo, all funded by broadcast rights dosh.
I have mixed feelings about the SKY deal, but surely its better for the GAA to be getting the profits for broadcasting their own games, than the likes of Setanta or Channel 7? I lived in the US for nearly 20 years. I had to drive 20 miles to the nearest Fado Irish bar to watch matches & cough up $20 for the privilege when I got there. GAAGO would have been brilliant for me, if was around then
Quote from: Beffs on October 19, 2015, 03:13:51 PM
Any money that these "fat cats" make for the GAA, gets redistributed down thru the clubs, capital grants etc etc. It's not like Padraig Duffy and Aodhan O'Fearail are heading off to the South of France in a private jet, for a knees up in Monte Carlo, all funded by broadcast rights dosh.
I have mixed feelings about the SKY deal, but surely its better for the GAA to be getting the profits for broadcasting their own games, than the likes of Setanta or Channel 7? I lived in the US for nearly 20 years. I had to drive 20 miles to the nearest Fado Irish bar to watch matches & cough up $20 for the privilege when I got there. GAAGO would have been brilliant for me, if was around then
In case it wasn't clear, that's what I was getting at.
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 19, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: Beffs on October 19, 2015, 03:13:51 PM
Any money that these "fat cats" make for the GAA, gets redistributed down thru the clubs, capital grants etc etc. It's not like Padraig Duffy and Aodhan O'Fearail are heading off to the South of France in a private jet, for a knees up in Monte Carlo, all funded by broadcast rights dosh.
I have mixed feelings about the SKY deal, but surely its better for the GAA to be getting the profits for broadcasting their own games, than the likes of Setanta or Channel 7? I lived in the US for nearly 20 years. I had to drive 20 miles to the nearest Fado Irish bar to watch matches & cough up $20 for the privilege when I got there. GAAGO would have been brilliant for me, if was around then
In case it wasn't clear, that's what I was getting at.
Same story for me, except the bar stopped showing the games. Why? because the bar paid setanta 200k for the rights to show the games, for setanta to turn up and take a "gate" at the door!!!!!
The Gaa should give SKY / Fox sports the full international rights.... then watch the sport grow
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 19, 2015, 02:04:36 PM
"The fat cats in Croke Park" is a phrase commonly read. Who are these overweight felines and what are they doing with our money?
Grinds my gears, that. It always comes from people who haven't a clue how the GAA works, but they're quick to come out with the typical Irish begrudgery about any person or organization that might actually be doing something positive.
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
I was heavily against this move but I must say it's an absolute pleasure to avoid the shite talk of Ger Canning, Pat Spillane and Brolly. f**k it actually makes my day to hear some positive contributions at half-time.
Quote from: thejuice on August 29, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
A possible positive side effect of it forcing RTE to up their game hasn't materialised either.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 29, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
A possible positive side effect of it forcing RTE to up their game hasn't materialised either.
Yes same OLD sorry faces with the same themes. Presenters are even getting worse. Used to like Lyster, but he's as bad as the rest.
Quote from: thejuice on August 29, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
We're not being bombarded with reports of the British 'reaction' on Twitter anymore either.
"Cor blimey, it's like a cross between quidditch and volleyball guv'nor! (Fackin paddies)."
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 10:18:33 PM
it's an absolute pleasure to avoid the shite talk of Ger Canning, Pat Spillane and Brolly. f**k it actually makes my day to hear some positive contributions at half-time.
+1.
A change from Ger Canning might be welcome, but how much better was Sky than TV3?
https://switcher.ie/blog/broadband-tv-home-phone/sky-launch-sky-sports-mix-free-for-all-sky-tv-customers/ (https://switcher.ie/blog/broadband-tv-home-phone/sky-launch-sky-sports-mix-free-for-all-sky-tv-customers/)
If you're a sky customer you can watch the hurling final for free via this (and I would think the football final too)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 23, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 19, 2015, 02:04:36 PM
"The fat cats in Croke Park" is a phrase commonly read. Who are these overweight felines and what are they doing with our money?
Grinds my gears, that. It always comes from people who haven't a clue how the GAA works, but they're quick to come out with the typical Irish begrudgery about any person or organization that might actually be doing something positive.
Big problems with this attitude in Ireland.
You have the 'they're fat cats' view and the 'they're begrudgers' view.
It seems these are the only two options. You can't have a rational debate or raise important questions without being boxed into one of these categories.
Sky has been my default platform for both hurling and football this year. As I have said before you get a commentator and analyst that actually call what is happening and without the verbal diarrhoea you get from Canning and Morrissey as they attempt to be poor mens Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh. The half time analysis is pretty good too.
Quote from: thejuice on August 29, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
I'm the PRO for Lancashjre GAA. I haven't really noticed it, but I coach GAA in my school and a major helping hand was telling the kids the GAA was on certain days to tune in. Our CDA , who is paid in full time position as a coach, says there has been a bit of interest. I'm not certain if anyone in British Provincial or indeed Croke Park is doing an Indepth look at the effects. It would be good if they did.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2016, 10:57:38 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 10:18:33 PM
it's an absolute pleasure to avoid the shite talk of Ger Canning, Pat Spillane and Brolly. f**k it actually makes my day to hear some positive contributions at half-time.
+1.
+2
No agendas no sweeping statements no soundbytes no state of the nation addresses just reasonable analysis and the occasional insight.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 29, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Bumping this up again as this season is winding down.
Any indication of a growing interest in GAA within Britain as we were told was the main purpose of this little venture. I live in the UK and I can't see any evidence myself but I havent looked under every rock and behind every door.
We're not being bombarded with reports of the British 'reaction' on Twitter anymore either.
"Cor blimey, it's like a cross between quidditch and volleyball guv'nor! (Fackin paddies)."
That's the thing, now the the novelty factor has worn off, I guess we are back to mainly the diaspora paying for it through Sky rather than GAAGO which I would be happier doing. I understand the argument about improving standards of presentation and analysis but that can't be the only factor in going with sky. Sure there is also the £€ factor for the GAA but if the viewing figures are shite it's not going to last.
Reading this thread would make you wonder does anyone actually watch the matches on RTE at all. Now I know that RTE are far from perfect but I'd still prefer to watch the match with the national broadcaster than with Sky television. Most people just want entertainment, they aren't that overly interested in a forensic examination of the match itself. It would be interesting to see the actual viewing figures anyway.
I watch the action on RTÈ and switch to Sky if I watch at half time.
I prefer to have someone tell me how/why one team is doing better than the other etc than Brolly/ Spillane boloxology.
For a pub to get sky sports it pays relevant to it's rates (in the north).
For an average size pub this could cost £600 per year.
Publicans are caught in a difficult place here.
For a small town with 4 pubs SKY could be taking in up to £2000 a year while the pubs fight to get customers to justify this.
If one pub isn't getting the return they stop the service and will never get that trade back. f they all take the service they are splitting a very small customer base. It's not sky paying for the rights it's local business owners and they are losing out big time on this.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
I watch the action on RTÈ and switch to Sky if I watch at half time.
I prefer to have someone tell me how/why one team is doing better than the other etc than Brolly/ Spillane boloxology.
I watch the match on RTE but mute the commentary and listen to the radio.
Then I switch to Sky for the half-time analysis, but I face away from the screen unless Rachel is on.
The adventures of shark boy and lava boy in HD on RTE 2 today, Incase anyone wants a break from the grainy images of the AI hurling Final on RTE 1
One thing's for sure, shark boy won't fear lava boy.
Can't get RTE 1 in HD in the black north (why is that when RTE 2 is available in HD?), so i've been doing most of my viewing on Sky. Martin Carney is god awful as well. Still flick back to hear the shite talk and outrage.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 04, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
Can't get RTE 1 in HD in the black north (why is that when RTE 2 is available in HD?), so i've been doing most of my viewing on Sky. Martin Carney is god awful as well. Still flick back to hear the shite talk and outrage.
Get yourself a Samsung or Panasonic Benny - they have Saorview which includes RTE1 HD.
RTE 1 on Saorview is HD. RTE on the NI transmitters is not HD, as far as I know.
The RTE 1 on the Sky Box is SD Saorview it is HD. That said HD is not a good enough reason to watch the Sunday Game.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 04, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 04, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
Can't get RTE 1 in HD in the black north (why is that when RTE 2 is available in HD?), so i've been doing most of my viewing on Sky. Martin Carney is god awful as well. Still flick back to hear the shite talk and outrage.
Get yourself a Samsung or Panasonic Benny - they have Saorview which includes RTE1 HD.
I can pick up both, RTE1 HD, RTE2 HD, TV3 and so forth from Claremont Carn and also RTE1, RTE2 and TG4 in SD from Divis.
I got this spiel from the Saorview website;
Transmitter
Search result:
We're sorry. SAORVIEW coverage is a challenge in your area. Please consult a reputable aerial installer for further information and advice. Although SAORVIEW cannot reach all locations, viewers in the Republic of Ireland are likely to be covered by the SAORSAT satellite in-fill solution. For up to date information please check www.saorsat.ie
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
I watch the action on RTÈ and switch to Sky if I watch at half time.
I prefer to have someone tell me how/why one team is doing better than the other etc than Brolly/ Spillane boloxology.
I watch the match on RTE but mute the commentary and listen to the radio.
Then I switch to Sky for the half-time analysis, but I face away from the screen unless Rachel is on.
Time delay makes that a non runner for me.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/you-could-have-seen-the-game-for-10-gaa-boss-dismisses-michael-duignans-criticism-of-sky-deal-35927792.html
Classic
CLG PR
Ingratiating themselves that bit deeper in with GAA HQ:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/sky-signs-3m-grassroots-deal-with-gaa-1.3222770#.Wb2L3DTgJDw.twitter (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/sky-signs-3m-grassroots-deal-with-gaa-1.3222770#.Wb2L3DTgJDw.twitter)
...and what do you think Sky will get in return.
They must be seeing some uptick in numbers if they're putting that kind of money in.
Yeah but if they're not getting a return on it they wouldn't do it.
So as I asked last year, are the GAA seeing a new audiences coming out of the Sky deal as was the spin coming out of headquarters at the time?
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 12:16:29 PM
Yeah but if they're not getting a return on it they wouldn't do it.
So as I asked last year, are the GAA seeing a new audiences coming out of the Sky deal as was the spin coming out of headquarters at the time?
Chelsea goalkeeper Courtois tweeted good luck to Mayo today. Suppose that's proof it's reaching new audiences.
Quote from: longballin on September 17, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:38:56 AM
...and what do you think Sky will get in return.
They must be seeing some uptick in numbers if they're putting that kind of money in.
that is loose change to an organisation like SKY. Is a cynical way to get their claws further into the GAA...
If TV3 did it, would it be cynical?
Would it be better if Sky didn't do it?
It's money that can be used and nobody's in the dark over their motives. Their goal is to make money like any independent broadcaster.
Declan Kearney from Sinn Fein was having a right aul whinge yesterday at the BBC and ITV over not showing it.
He was correctly told to take it up with the GAA.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
Declan Kearney from Sinn Fein was having a right aul whinge yesterday at the BBC and ITV over not showing it.
He was correctly told to take it up with the GAA.
Strange that you term that as a 'right aul whinge' Gallsman. They should be showing it!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
Declan Kearney from Sinn Fein was having a right aul whinge yesterday at the BBC and ITV over not showing it.
He was correctly told to take it up with the GAA.
Strange that you term that as a 'right aul whinge' Gallsman. They should be showing it!
Nothing strange about it. The GAA sold the full yum broadcast rights to Sky. That's the reason it wasn't on BBC or ITV.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
Declan Kearney from Sinn Fein was having a right aul whinge yesterday at the BBC and ITV over not showing it.
He was correctly told to take it up with the GAA.
Strange that you term that as a 'right aul whinge' Gallsman. They should be showing it!
Nothing strange about it. The GAA sold the full yum broadcast rights to Sky. That's the reason it wasn't on BBC or ITV.
Is that why Rachel Wyse presents it?
All I can say is that ye are some bunch of whingers-
A company spends $3mmm to support kids and get some press.
Lads, this isn't the 1960's Sky is a for profit group oh and by the way so is the gaa. Thankfully the gaa also plough some money back into clubs Etc.. Which seems to be what Sky are doing...
Sky just can't win in some people's eyes. They do something good and still get berated.
Has anyone been following the Chris Kamara and Jeff Stelling videos in the lead up to the final?
They were at it yesterday and were mesmerised apparently about the whole occasion..
Just wait until they see hurling. ;)
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 18, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
Sky just can't win in some people's eyes. They do something good and still get berated.
I'm surprised there haven't been a few cuts at Páraic Ó Dufaigh as well
Quote from: laoislad on September 18, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Has anyone been following the Chris Kamara and Jeff Stelling videos in the lead up to the final?
They were at it yesterday and were mesmerised apparently about the whole occasion..
Just wait until they see hurling. ;)
I've been following it. Looking forward to seeing the final episode.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
Nothing strange about it. The GAA sold the full yum broadcast rights to Sky. That's the reason it wasn't on BBC or ITV.
Is that why Rachel Wyse presents it?
Haha, good work.
Be interested to see how this initiative works out.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 18, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Has anyone been following the Chris Kamara and Jeff Stelling videos in the lead up to the final?
They were at it yesterday and were mesmerised apparently about the whole occasion..
Just wait until they see hurling. ;)
I've been following it. Looking forward to seeing the final episode.
Is it on TV or an online thing??
It was an online thing. Have a look here...
https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/07/jeff_and_kammy_episode1_hit_the_road_jeff (https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/07/jeff_and_kammy_episode1_hit_the_road_jeff)
Good show. Typical Tyronie Glipe cleaning Kamara😁
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more coverage, but then bashing the "Evil British / Murdoch-owned" Sky makes for better clickbait:
QuoteSky signs €3m grassroots deal with GAA
Five-year deal aims to reduce drop-out rate from the sport among young GAA players
Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 05:45
Ciarán Hancock
Broadcaster Sky Sports is to invest €3 million over the next five years into a number of grassroots initiatives organised by the GAA.
The pay TV group will launch the GAA Super Games Centres (SGCs) on September 21st. These are aimed at reducing the drop-out rate among 12 to 21 year olds in both football and hurling.
The GAA plans to host 154 SGCs around the country between September and May for both boys and girls.
Up to 25 children will be involved in each centre with the GAA seeking to attract 3,500 participants in year one, and Sky planning to top 20,000 over the five years.The kids will be provided with kits and equipment.
Commenting on the sponsorship, Neal O'Rourke, Sky Ireland's financial director, said: "This is going to be an opportunity to mix genders. The Super Games Centres are going to be held all around the country. Both rural and urban. This is really about getting kids out there playing games, but not necessarily focusing on winning."
In addition, Sky is to partner with the GAA to host its annual one-day youth forum for the same age range. It will take place this year at Croke Park on October 28th.
Conference
Sky is also backing the GAA's two-day games development conference, involving more than 800 leading grassroots coaches, who will come together in January for workshops and seminars.
It is understood that former Ryder Cup captain Paul McGinley, a pundit on Sky's golf coverage and a self-confessed GAA fan, is being lined up for this event.
This sponsorship follows Sky's renewal of its live rights with the GAA for five years out to 2021. This allows it to show 14 games a season and has proved controversial with many GAA members.
"For us, the GAA investment has been fantastic," Mr O'Rourke said, adding that the recent launch of Now TV means fans can buy game passes for €10. "There's no contract with that, there's no commitment to Sky and we believe that's made the games more accessible. If this wasn't working for us we would be reinvesting in rights and we certainly wouldn't be launching this sponsorship."
Nielsen figures show Sky's average audience for its GAA games this season is about 40,000 viewers, up about 11 per cent on 2016. This does not include high-definition viewing, those using Sky Go or Now TV, or those watching in pubs and clubs.
Source (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/sky-signs-3m-grassroots-deal-with-gaa-1.3222770)
It's on the previous page of this thread I think Eamon.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 18, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
Sky just can't win in some people's eyes. They do something good and still get berated.
All-Ireland champion whingers the whole bloody lot of them.
Not everyone has Sky.
But if you want to watch a sporting event hooky on the internet, then it's an absolute bonus if it's on Sky. It means that there will be untold streams for it. That's not the case with RTE, TV3 or Setanta.
So inadvertently it opens up Gaelic Games to the entire world. Sky won't be happy about that, and it will never register as a plus in their viewing figures, but the diaspora in every corner of the world has for the past few years finally had an option to watch the All Ireland finals, even if it happens to be through an illegal stream.
Secondly if our main target market beyond Ireland is the U.K, well every half Irish pub in the U.K. now has an opportunity, at no additional cost to their EPL subscription, to drag the Irish into their pubs throughout the summer. Again, it hardly registers on their viewing figures, but those pubs who previously had to install illegal Irish Sky boxes now have it legally and can advertise accordingly.
Last and far from least, the average joe in Ireland. Through Now TV, Sky Sports do streaming to any smart tV for a £7/€10 day pass. If watching your county means anything to you, then this is really far, far from a hefty stipend to watch it sat on your hole in your living room. Or from a shopping mall if your wife has dragged you out.
Begrudgers is right. Sky is good for our games.
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
I don't think the Sky coverage itself has been a failure. I think it's been very good.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2017, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
I don't think the Sky coverage itself has been a failure. I think it's been very good.
TV3 commentators, analysts. If people are so pea-minded that replacing Matt Cooper with a woman makes them salivate then I dunno what to say. McGuiness was good because he can speak well, not because of anything Sky did.
The production quaility never really lived up to the hype here to be perfectly honest, and it's attracted feck all GAA supporters let alone outside interest. Whereas RTE highlight negatives, Sky paper over them in a style that illicts eye-rolling in much the same way. As bad as what we've always had.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
So how do you explain all those All-Ireland finals in lower grade competitions played in a mostly empty Croke Park?
At least I can listen to the Sky analysts......
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2017, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
I don't think the Sky coverage itself has been a failure. I think it's been very good.
TV3 commentators, analysts. If people are so pea-minded that replacing Matt Cooper with a woman makes them salivate then I dunno what to say. McGuiness was good because he can speak well, not because of anything Sky did.
The production quaility never really lived up to the hype here to be perfectly honest, and it's attracted feck all GAA supporters let alone outside interest. Whereas RTE highlight negatives by every team apart from Dublin and Kerry Sky paper over them in a style that illicts eye-rolling in much the same way. As bad as what we've always had.
Fixed that for you..
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
How much have you watched SKY? If you find it so objectionable it is not unreasonable to assume you don't actually watch it and so your comments have no credibility. Your objections to SKY are purely political.
When RTE has put football on RTE1 which doesn't broadcast in HD it is almost unwatchable with its fuzzy broadcast on HD TVs while SKY has always offered HD.
Quite apart from Rachel Wyse, who actually does a good job as a presenter despite Syferus' opinion that she's just eye candy, I found the contributions of James Horan, Peter Canavan, Jamsie O'Connor and Ollie Canning to be more interesting than the nonsense on the RTÉ panel. I also think Dave McIntyre is a good commentator, although I can't warm to Finnerty commentating. All in all I wouldn't dismiss sky's coverage with a Brolly style eye candy comment.
I watch Sky over RTE much better coverage. But I prefer Finnerty to McIntyre, that probably tells you more about AZ than me :D
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 23, 2017, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
How much have you watched SKY? If you find it so objectionable it is not unreasonable to assume you don't actually watch it and so your comments have no credibility. Your objections to SKY are purely political.
When RTE has put football on RTE1 which doesn't broadcast in HD it is almost unwatchable with its fuzzy broadcast on HD TVs while SKY has always offered HD.
First World problems? What about all the men and women gaa volunteers who put in endless hours each week, unable to watch the game they help create? Football quarter finals exclusively behind Murdochs pay wall is an absolute disgrace and the decision makers in Coke Pk should be ashamed of decisions like these
I am one of those volunteers and while I am glad to see the exposure the Sky involvement gives the game, I agree that every match from Provincial Finals on, should be on both platforms.
My only gripe with Sky is only using players' surnames when giving team line outs.
I agree with AZ on the analysts and anytime I do listen to half time stuff always switch to Sky.
Genuine question - What percentage of GAA volunteers haven't got Sky? ?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 23, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 23, 2017, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
How much have you watched SKY? If you find it so objectionable it is not unreasonable to assume you don't actually watch it and so your comments have no credibility. Your objections to SKY are purely political.
When RTE has put football on RTE1 which doesn't broadcast in HD it is almost unwatchable with its fuzzy broadcast on HD TVs while SKY has always offered HD.
First World problems? What about all the men and women gaa volunteers who put in endless hours each week, unable to watch the game they help create? Football quarter finals exclusively behind Murdochs pay wall is an absolute disgrace and the decision makers in Coke Pk should be ashamed of decisions like these
There's not one single game that's "exclusively" behind Murdoch's paywall. You can go to the match. Being a volunteer doesn't give you the right to see every game free of charge without getting off your couch. You never had that right and you're never going to have it.
Oh and the GAA volunteers outside of Ireland put in more effort than you can imagine.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 08, 2018, 05:50:23 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 23, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 23, 2017, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
How much have you watched SKY? If you find it so objectionable it is not unreasonable to assume you don't actually watch it and so your comments have no credibility. Your objections to SKY are purely political.
When RTE has put football on RTE1 which doesn't broadcast in HD it is almost unwatchable with its fuzzy broadcast on HD TVs while SKY has always offered HD.
First World problems? What about all the men and women gaa volunteers who put in endless hours each week, unable to watch the game they help create? Football quarter finals exclusively behind Murdochs pay wall is an absolute disgrace and the decision makers in Coke Pk should be ashamed of decisions like these
There's not one single game that's "exclusively" behind Murdoch's paywall. You can go to the match. Being a volunteer doesn't give you the right to see every game free of charge without getting off your couch. You never had that right and you're never going to have it.
Oh and the GAA volunteers outside of Ireland put in more effort than you can imagine.
Well said.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 08, 2018, 05:50:23 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 23, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 23, 2017, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Sky has been a total failure in all but a financial sense. But that seems to be the only thing HQ judges any aspect of the sport on these days.
How much have you watched SKY? If you find it so objectionable it is not unreasonable to assume you don't actually watch it and so your comments have no credibility. Your objections to SKY are purely political.
When RTE has put football on RTE1 which doesn't broadcast in HD it is almost unwatchable with its fuzzy broadcast on HD TVs while SKY has always offered HD.
First World problems? What about all the men and women gaa volunteers who put in endless hours each week, unable to watch the game they help create? Football quarter finals exclusively behind Murdochs pay wall is an absolute disgrace and the decision makers in Coke Pk should be ashamed of decisions like these
There's not one single game that's "exclusively" behind Murdoch's paywall. You can go to the match. Being a volunteer doesn't give you the right to see every game free of charge without getting off your couch. You never had that right and you're never going to have it.
Oh and the GAA volunteers outside of Ireland put in more effort than you can imagine.
I'm never done going to games. 2 football q/f's were only on Murdoch's Sky last year. I'm not asking for every game to be free, of course I'm not, I'm asking that those who provide the games don't have to pay a multi-billion pound empire like Sky for the privilege of watching their games. I honestly don't understand how games exclusive behind a Sky paywall sits well with folk.
Oh, and I've helped setup a uni team, played in Britain for 4 years and the US for 2, I know the craic!
JoG2, I agree that the two quarter finals being on Sky is a bit of a pain.
But apart from that, currently, is it a big deal really?
I see cork limerick in the Munster hurling championship has been moved to Saturday night for sky, if tipp manage to beat waterford in football the cork hurlers and footballers will both be playing on that saturday night, one in thurles one in cork.
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 08, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
JoG2, I agree that the two quarter finals being on Sky is a bit of a pain.
But apart from that, currently, is it a big deal really?
Do you not feel their grip is tightening and will continue to do so? Did they have exclusive quarter finals 2 years ago?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2018, 11:14:29 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 08, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
JoG2, I agree that the two quarter finals being on Sky is a bit of a pain.
But apart from that, currently, is it a big deal really?
Do you not feel their grip is tightening and will continue to do so? Did they have exclusive quarter finals 2 years ago?
As far as I know they had a deal for three years which included two exclusive quarter finals. This was renewed and we're now in the second year of the second deal. I think the terms are exactly the same.
Who knows what might happen down the road. Maybe Brolly's predictions will be correct. But, as it stands, I'm happy enough with it. I'm glad the UK are getting to see our sports and am happy to not be able to see a couple of games.
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
You read an article like that, which is, let's face it, heartfelt and a rallying call to the new DG to keep a hold of our games, and you think the author is jealous he isn't on Sky?
The first bit in bold, referring to the GAA being left ebhind, be left behind from what or who?
The 2nd bit in bold, again, you read that article and think it's about a few extra games?
Sky, much like the likes of Apple etc are so entrenched that folk get all defensive if anyone says bad word about them.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2018, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
You read an article like that, which is, let's face it, heartfelt and a rallying call to the new DG to keep a hold of our games, and you think the author is jealous he isn't on Sky?
The first bit in bold, referring to the GAA being left ebhind, be left behind from what or who?
The 2nd bit in bold, again, you read that article and think it's about a few extra games?
Sky, much like the likes of Apple etc are so entrenched that folk get all defensive if anyone says bad word about them.
"A rallying call to the DG?" - Give me strength! Joe does more brainwashing than Sky. All Joe's comments in relation to Sky, his snidey jibes about the female presenter, his criticisms of the analysis being bland etc and the constant tweeting of viewing figures come across as bitter to me. You may think Joe is the saviour of the GAA. I happen to think he is as self serving as the corporations he is criticising.
The GAA will get left behind in the minds of the youngsters we need to attract to the games. Like it or not, kids these days are brought up on Sky and branding and imagery. Have you ever tried to get a kid to wear anything other than branded gear these days. Listening to 3 old blokes slagging of their teams in a 1990s studio in RTE just won't cut it with young people.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:26:14 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2018, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
You read an article like that, which is, let's face it, heartfelt and a rallying call to the new DG to keep a hold of our games, and you think the author is jealous he isn't on Sky?
The first bit in bold, referring to the GAA being left ebhind, be left behind from what or who?
The 2nd bit in bold, again, you read that article and think it's about a few extra games?
Sky, much like the likes of Apple etc are so entrenched that folk get all defensive if anyone says bad word about them.
"A rallying call to the DG?" - Give me strength! Joe does more brainwashing than Sky. All Joe's comments in relation to Sky, his snidey jibes about the female presenter, his criticisms of the analysis being bland etc and the constant tweeting of viewing figures come across as bitter to me. You may think Joe is the saviour of the GAA. I happen to think he is as self serving as the corporations he is criticising.
The GAA will get left behind in the minds of the youngsters we need to attract to the games. Like it or not, kids these days are brought up on Sky and branding and imagery. Have you ever tried to get a kid to wear anything other than branded gear these days. Listening to 3 old blokes slagging of their teams in a 1990s studio in RTE just won't cut it with young people.
So we need Sky? Job done !
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2018, 12:32:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:26:14 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2018, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
You read an article like that, which is, let's face it, heartfelt and a rallying call to the new DG to keep a hold of our games, and you think the author is jealous he isn't on Sky?
The first bit in bold, referring to the GAA being left ebhind, be left behind from what or who?
The 2nd bit in bold, again, you read that article and think it's about a few extra games?
Sky, much like the likes of Apple etc are so entrenched that folk get all defensive if anyone says bad word about them.
"A rallying call to the DG?" - Give me strength! Joe does more brainwashing than Sky. All Joe's comments in relation to Sky, his snidey jibes about the female presenter, his criticisms of the analysis being bland etc and the constant tweeting of viewing figures come across as bitter to me. You may think Joe is the saviour of the GAA. I happen to think he is as self serving as the corporations he is criticising.
The GAA will get left behind in the minds of the youngsters we need to attract to the games. Like it or not, kids these days are brought up on Sky and branding and imagery. Have you ever tried to get a kid to wear anything other than branded gear these days. Listening to 3 old blokes slagging of their teams in a 1990s studio in RTE just won't cut it with young people.
So we need Sky? Job done !
If it wasn't sky it would be someone else.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 07, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-aib-sky-and-other-brands-will-complete-cultural-hijacking-of-the-gaa-if-new-director-general-doesnt-act-36464318.html
Horse has bolted. It's going to be difficult getting him back into the stable.
I just can't help thinking that Joe would love to be on Sky. I think he pictured himself on Soccer AM joking with Tubes and taking the hand out of Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday. Like a little child when he didn't get the gig he has decided to make it clear he didn't want it anyway.
What Joe is talking about in this article is a development, that for good or bad is reflected in every aspect of modern life, and you either embrace it or be left behind. If it wasn't Sky or AIB it would be someone else. I have my concerns about how modern society is developing in many aspects of life but Sky showing a few extra games of GAA isn't the ruination of everything that we hold dear. A bit of perspective, please, Joe.
Exactly
Brolly's latest incoherent rant, could be retitled 'I'm pissed off that a GAA impersonator wasn't allowed to impersonate me and very pissed off that other people are allowed to talk about games on TV on another station forbye me'.
Following on from his recent rant which actually stated in black and white that the GAA should have a strategy on homelessness, which could be retitled 'Hi lads, Look at me! I did a night sleepout for the homeless and guess what, I took one of them home' Aye - me - the fella who gave away his kidney and said nothing about it (apart from about three documentaries)
Surely people can see through this nonsense by now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Quite apart from Rachel Wyse, who actually does a good job as a presenter despite Syferus' opinion that she's just eye candy, I found the contributions of James Horan, Peter Canavan, Jamsie O'Connor and Ollie Canning to be more interesting than the nonsense on the RTÉ panel. I also think Dave McIntyre is a good commentator, although I can't warm to Finnerty commentating. All in all I wouldn't dismiss sky's coverage with a Brolly style eye candy comment.
She does her job just fine but based on the stream of lecherous comments here they're few here that would care if she was presenting the show in German or Morse code - they're not taking her seriously in the first place. The positive reviews of her here pretty much entirely revolve around the fact she's a blonde, relatively attractive young woman.
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Quite apart from Rachel Wyse, who actually does a good job as a presenter despite Syferus' opinion that she's just eye candy, I found the contributions of James Horan, Peter Canavan, Jamsie O'Connor and Ollie Canning to be more interesting than the nonsense on the RTÉ panel. I also think Dave McIntyre is a good commentator, although I can't warm to Finnerty commentating. All in all I wouldn't dismiss sky's coverage with a Brolly style eye candy comment.
She does her job just fine but based on the stream of lecherous comments here they're few here that would care if she was presenting the show in German or Morse code - they're not taking her seriously in the first place. The positive reviews of her here pretty much entirely revolve around the fact she's a blonde, relatively attractive young woman.
The bit in bold is enough. The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Quite apart from Rachel Wyse, who actually does a good job as a presenter despite Syferus' opinion that she's just eye candy, I found the contributions of James Horan, Peter Canavan, Jamsie O'Connor and Ollie Canning to be more interesting than the nonsense on the RTÉ panel. I also think Dave McIntyre is a good commentator, although I can't warm to Finnerty commentating. All in all I wouldn't dismiss sky's coverage with a Brolly style eye candy comment.
She does her job just fine but based on the stream of lecherous comments here they're few here that would care if she was presenting the show in German or Morse code - they're not taking her seriously in the first place. The positive reviews of her here pretty much entirely revolve around the fact she's a blonde, relatively attractive young woman.
The bit in bold is enough. The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Sorry, but rampant objectification is never irrelevant.
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 08, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Quite apart from Rachel Wyse, who actually does a good job as a presenter despite Syferus' opinion that she's just eye candy, I found the contributions of James Horan, Peter Canavan, Jamsie O'Connor and Ollie Canning to be more interesting than the nonsense on the RTÉ panel. I also think Dave McIntyre is a good commentator, although I can't warm to Finnerty commentating. All in all I wouldn't dismiss sky's coverage with a Brolly style eye candy comment.
She does her job just fine but based on the stream of lecherous comments here they're few here that would care if she was presenting the show in German or Morse code - they're not taking her seriously in the first place. The positive reviews of her here pretty much entirely revolve around the fact she's a blonde, relatively attractive young woman.
The bit in bold is enough. The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Sorry, but rampant objectification is never irrelevant.
On this, I will agree with you
Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 11, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
Quote from: GJL on January 11, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 11, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
Sky gloss over issues where RTE saturate coverage on them. Sky is just as bad in the other direction. I don't need cheerleaders any more than I need cynical feckers.
Quote from: GJL on January 11, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 11, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
I actually think that RTE have upped their game since Sky got involved, coincidentally or not.
They often give a decent analysis of defensive systems being used from a behind the goals viewpoint.
And what's wrong with RTE's soccer coverage?
soccer coverage is just a sound board for Dumphys very considered and strongly but ever changing opinion depending on who is winning' opinion
like brolly too much shote to listen to in search of odd intelligent word
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: GJL on January 11, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 11, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
Sky gloss over issues where RTE saturate coverage on them. Sky is just as bad in the other direction. I don't need cheerleaders any more than I need cynical feckers.
I get that. I do. Some of skys over excitement of dour qualifiers in July is cringe at times. However, id still rather have canavan, horan and Senan Connell than listen to old men wax lyrical about "the good old days".
Any idea or talk of how the "Super 8" coverage will be divided?
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Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
Sky gloss over issues where RTE saturate coverage on them. Sky is just as bad in the other direction. I don't need cheerleaders any more than I need cynical feckers.
I get that. I do. Some of skys over excitement of dour qualifiers in July is cringe at times. However, id still rather have canavan, horan and Senan Connell than listen to old men wax lyrical about "the good old days".
The three men you named are not exactly spring chickens themselves, though. And bar Canavan none of them reached the heights the RTE crew did in the game either. Broly for all his self-publicity is watchable, and Colm O'Rourke is the only talking head who has had the balls to call out the Dublin problem and the need to restructure it.
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Personally I find sky analysis superior to the 3 begrudgers on RTE. Actually breaks down tactics instead of the usual "ach but sure they have been very defensive and awful to watch" (whilst racking up 16 scores in the first half).
It really would not be difficult to better RTE. The whole Sunday Game needs a complete make over from the studio to the presenters. It is awful. (A bit like their soccer coverage).
Sky are doing an excellent job.
Sky gloss over issues where RTE saturate coverage on them. Sky is just as bad in the other direction. I don't need cheerleaders any more than I need cynical feckers.
I get that. I do. Some of skys over excitement of dour qualifiers in July is cringe at times. However, id still rather have canavan, horan and Senan Connell than listen to old men wax lyrical about "the good old days".
The three men you named are not exactly spring chickens themselves, though. and bar Canavan none of them reached the heights the RTE crew did in the game either.
To be fair, Horan is more there from his stint in management. That Senan Connell is some ginnit. Spouts more sh*te than a quality slurry tank.
https://www.eirsport.ie/allianz-leagues-returning-to-eir-sport
Should rename it Áth Cliath Sport! !
Can this eirsport be got on Kodi by any chance?
I think Senan Connell is an excellent pundit. Knows the game inside out. Knows the players. Can read a game very expertly. I really rate him as a pundit.
I see Free Sports are showing Dublin v Offaly and Cork v Kilkenny this Saturday.
Looking through their schedule, they look to be showing highlights of games in the following weeks starting at midnight on the Sunday morning. They are connected to Premier Sports in some way, so they are only showing this weeks games live and are saying that the rest of the games will be live on Premier sports.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-sports-and-eir-deals-set-in-stone-until-at-least-2021-466799.html
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https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sky-sports-and-eir-deals-set-in-stone-until-at-least-2021-466799.html
Reacting to the news, Leitrim chairman Terence Boyle said: "It's under contract so it's understandable....."
That's about the only part of the article that's worthwhile.
Still, it keeps the conversation going and Joe got his name in the paper again.
Anyone know how much SKY's deal is worth?
Do I remember a figure of €5m for 3 years??
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
Do I remember a figure of €5m for 3 years??
Can't see a breakdown anywhere, all I can see is RTE's & SKY's deal bring in about 11m a year. If you're figure is right you'd really have to wonder why they bothered.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
Do I remember a figure of €5m for 3 years??
Can't see a breakdown anywhere, all I can see is RTE's & SKY's deal bring in about 11m a year. If you're figure is right you'd really have to wonder why they bothered.
They want Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg to have easy access to watching Dublin on the tele.
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
Quote from: tippabu on June 04, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
A pity the Dubs didn't beat Kilkenny like they should have, as it would have made it a really exciting end to the group stages. Instead Galway v Dublin is a dead rubber, and while the victors of Wex v KK will find themselves in a Leinster final (as big underdogs), the losers will still be in the All Ireland series.
I know one 3rd place team plays the winner of the Joe McDonagh Cup. Who does the other 3rd place team play?
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Quote from: tippabu on June 04, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
A pity the Dubs didn't beat Kilkenny like they should have, as it would have made it a really exciting end to the group stages. Instead Galway v Dublin is a dead rubber, and while the victors of Wex v KK will find themselves in a Leinster final (as big underdogs), the losers will still be in the All Ireland series.
I know one 3rd place team plays the winner of the Joe McDonagh Cup. Who does the other 3rd place team play?
Top 2 teams in joe mcdonagh play the 3rd placed teams in munster and leinster
Quote from: tippabu on June 04, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
Sky are showing just 2 games according to this http://www.skysports.com/watch/gaa-on-sky
Meath v Tyrone and Kilkenny v Wexford.
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Quote from: tippabu on June 04, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
Sky are showing just 2 games according to this http://www.skysports.com/watch/gaa-on-sky
Meath v Tyrone and Kilkenny v Wexford.
They previously had just the two hurling games listed.
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Quote from: tippabu on June 04, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Interesting that for all the giving out (I know michael duignans auld lad wont be able to watch any gaa saturday) but SKY are showing 3 games on saturday and more importantly the choice of two games at the same time with both Leinster hurling games being shown at 7pm, something you wont get with RTE. Sunday you have Tipp Clare and Waterford Limerick on at 2, both huge games in the context of the championship but only one is going to be shown and then we get to see dublin beat longford at their ease. Credit to SKY (and eir) who are able to show games that are on at the same time and do it.
Sky are showing just 2 games according to this http://www.skysports.com/watch/gaa-on-sky
Meath v Tyrone and Kilkenny v Wexford.
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=meath%20sky&src=typd
Who is Sky's primary commentator? David someone. He's absolutely terrible and it's like he's watching a different game at times.
Sky have been blessed with games so far this year, Cork limerick, tyrone meath, kilkenny wexford all brilliant games
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Who is Sky's primary commentator? David someone. He's absolutely terrible and it's like he's watching a different game at times.
They made some absolute howlers last night. Wrong player names, not knowing what constitutes a black/yellow card and let's not get started on the Mcaliskey "goal" from out the field.
Dave McIntyre.
I thought some of the black card calls were worthy of debate. Reilly's late foul was very close to a drag down. So he though the McAliskey effort went in, big deal. He made a mistake. Compared to Canning, Cairney and Carr, I know who I'd prefer.
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Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 07:22:35 PM
Who is Sky's primary commentator? David someone. He's absolutely terrible and it's like he's watching a different game at times.
They made some absolute howlers last night. Wrong player names, not knowing what constitutes a black/yellow card and let's not get started on the Mcaliskey "goal" from out the field.
I think McIntyre has a good "commentator's voice", but it's really annoying that when he makes a mistake, he then makes up some BS excuse or blames someone else for the mistake.
He needs to do some more homework in terms of the rules and players' names
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 10, 2018, 08:59:24 AM
Dave McIntyre.
I thought some of the black card calls were worthy of debate. Reilly's late foul was very close to a drag down. So he though the McAliskey effort went in, big deal. He made a mistake. Compared to Canning, Cairney and Carr, I know who I'd prefer.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 10, 2018, 05:28:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 07:22:35 PM
Who is Sky's primary commentator? David someone. He's absolutely terrible and it's like he's watching a different game at times.
They made some absolute howlers last night. Wrong player names, not knowing what constitutes a black/yellow card and let's not get started on the Mcaliskey "goal" from out the field.
Yes but when he started rambling on about his surprise as to why the guys who got red cards in normal time had not reappeared for the extra time it showed that he does needs to brush up on the rules a bit 😂
Peter Canavan's attire raised worries for me. Is he ok at the minute?
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 10, 2018, 08:59:24 AM
Dave McIntyre.
I thought some of the black card calls were worthy of debate. Reilly's late foul was very close to a drag down. So he though the McAliskey effort went in, big deal. He made a mistake. Compared to Canning, Cairney and Carr, I know who I'd prefer.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 10, 2018, 05:28:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 07:22:35 PM
Who is Sky's primary commentator? David someone. He's absolutely terrible and it's like he's watching a different game at times.
They made some absolute howlers last night. Wrong player names, not knowing what constitutes a black/yellow card and let's not get started on the Mcaliskey "goal" from out the field.
Yes but when he started rambling on about his surprise as to why the guys who got red cards in normal time had not reappeared for the extra time it showed that he does needs to brush up on the rules a bit 😂
That had to go down as one of the stupidest comments from a commentator in GAA ever, Ben Brennan standing on the line crucially the free taker not coming back on after his red card at the end of normal time!
One good thing about the Sky commentators is they sound excited about the game unlike Canning who really should become a cricket commentator.
Caravan should be locked up for wearing that outfit.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 10, 2018, 08:59:24 AM
Dave McIntyre.
I thought some of the black card calls were worthy of debate. Reilly's late foul was very close to a drag down. So he though the McAliskey effort went in, big deal. He made a mistake. Compared to Canning, Cairney and Carr, I know who I'd prefer.
He was still going on about the "goal" as the umpire was waving the white flag. It was comical. I'm a big fan of sky coverage by the way so not having a go.
I actually think Dave McIntyre is a brilliant commentator. Great voice and has respect for the players. He also has the perfect tonal balance and knows his stuff. He and Dara Molobey the best. Brian Tyers also really good.
McIntyre's a little know it all w**ker, can't stand him.
I just wanted to know if Canavan or Horan thought the game was shite or not. Sky never give us this information.
Maybe Joe.ie should get the GAA rights. They do proper analysis during week and Cian Ward is brilliant. With Amazon getting Premier League games surely this is an option. RTE will never do the game any favours.
Let me get this right. Donegal v Down is not Live on TV, anywhere? In my day, the BBC did both semis Live, presented from Croker, had a midweek Show, etc. I always believe 'if there's a will there's a way'. There has been a serious will in 10 years. https://t.co/DcF3KUv6z9 Jerome Quinn
RTE football highlights was a step in the right direction.
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Peter Canavan's attire raised worries for me. Is he ok at the minute?
+1
;D
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Maybe Joe.ie should get the GAA rights.
Just stop right there.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on June 10, 2018, 08:56:33 PM
Maybe Joe.ie should get the GAA rights.
Just stop right there.
They do it a good service when they're not click baiting and bantering. Their shows are very good.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on June 10, 2018, 08:56:33 PM
Maybe Joe.ie should get the GAA rights.
Just stop right there.
They do it a good service when they're not click baiting and bantering. Their shows are very good.
World of difference between a podcast and broadcasting live games.
Just seeing today the ridiculous stick Sky got for continuing to show Tyrone v Meath live when it went to extra time, rather than switching over to Kilkenny v Wexford!
Talk about a no-brainer - the last 20 minutes of a knockout game versus the first 20 of a group game.
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Just seeing today the ridiculous stick Sky got for continuing to show Tyrone v Meath live when it went to extra time, rather than switching over to Kilkenny v Wexford!
Talk about a no-brainer - the last 20 minutes of a knockout game versus the first 20 of a group game.
What was ridiculous was it was on two channels....surely put the hurling on one and carry on the football on the other
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Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Just seeing today the ridiculous stick Sky got for continuing to show Tyrone v Meath live when it went to extra time, rather than switching over to Kilkenny v Wexford!
Talk about a no-brainer - the last 20 minutes of a knockout game versus the first 20 of a group game.
What was ridiculous was it was on two channels....surely put the hurling on one and carry on the football on the other
Main event isn't a channel with its own content. It's a mirror of whatever the biggest thing from the other channels is, usually with punditry cut down. The hurling snobs will be grand, They're getting everything else this year.
True enough but they've had some "product" especially in Munster.
Sky have ended this deal with immediate effect
"A factor in this decision has been the new shortened GAA season and it's knock-on impact on the number of games Sky Sports wanted to broadcast." - JD Buckley, Sky Ireland CEO"
The Sunday game to get some decent pundits now?
Is that why Des was put out to pasture?
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2022, 04:47:57 PM
"A factor in this decision has been the new shortened GAA season and it's knock-on impact on the number of games Sky Sports wanted to broadcast." - JD Buckley, Sky Ireland CEO"
The Sunday game to get some decent pundits now?
They didn't have great viewership .. https://www.balls.ie/gaa/258965-the-gaas-sky-deal-196636
Outside of the domestic audience I don't think the viewing figures were great. Purely from a business point of view I often wondered how it made sense to show an indigenous game to a global audience. Maybe if the spectacle was a lot better the viewing figures would have improved but sadly there was a lot more dirge than there were thrilling encounters. They came on board in a decade where gaelic football in particular has probably never been worse to watch as a spectacle.
It's a shame, I enjoyed their punditry. Hopefully RTE step up their game now with the retirements.
Another product of not playing games in July August
There is no way GAA can compete with the soccer schedule in April May on sky
Can say what u want but with such a condensed season there is simply no way RTE will be able to show the amount of hurling and football games on offer
And come August there is nothing on tv to watch
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
No loss .
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
It's a shame, I enjoyed their punditry. Hopefully RTE step up their game now with the retirements.
They won't.
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
The quotes from Sky Ireland indicate Sky wanted to extend and expand the deal for many more years, but couldn't get the fixed games guaranteed they wanted.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2022, 04:47:57 PM
"A factor in this decision has been the new shortened GAA season and it's knock-on impact on the number of games Sky Sports wanted to broadcast." - JD Buckley, Sky Ireland CEO"
The Sunday game to get some decent pundits now?
They didn't have great viewership .. https://www.balls.ie/gaa/258965-the-gaas-sky-deal-196636
Quoth the article:
"Clare and Donegal will be putting forward motions at congress to make all Championship games free-to-air from 2017."
Strange thing to put into an article published in August 2022. Is it a typo? Is is supposed to say 2027? If so I'd be interested in seeing the wording, because if it doesn't specify which countries it applies to, it could effectively end GAA coverage outside of Ireland where nobody's going to show it free to air.
Quote from: full moon on October 24, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
The quotes from Sky Ireland indicate Sky wanted to extend and expand the deal for many more years, but couldn't get the fixed games guaranteed they wanted.
Feck sky. Been blocking us watching other sports up north for years
I have no real time for Sky as a company or Sky Sports. They have went downhill in recent years since Comcast took over. Sky Sports behaviour towards the Irish girls soccer team recently were another low point, attempting to bully one of the players on their channel. Lots of other politics stuff on their sports coverage too trying to push agendas.
Their GAA coverage was very good especially punditry and commentary, but they didnt enough matches or a good pick of them.
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Quote from: full moon on October 24, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
The quotes from Sky Ireland indicate Sky wanted to extend and expand the deal for many more years, but couldn't get the fixed games guaranteed they wanted.
Feck sky. Been blocking us watching other sports up north for years
Interestingly the Indo is reporting BBC and BBC NI is expanding their coverage, maybe taking Sky matches and expanding their current coverage.
That could be better for Nordies and indeed all of us as in recent years BBC NI has the best punditry and coverage in my opinion. The lads involved all clued in and knowledgeable.
Quote from: full moon on October 24, 2022, 07:12:07 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 24, 2022, 07:06:54 PM
Quote from: full moon on October 24, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
The quotes from Sky Ireland indicate Sky wanted to extend and expand the deal for many more years, but couldn't get the fixed games guaranteed they wanted.
Feck sky. Been blocking us watching other sports up north for years
Interestingly the Indo is reporting BBC and BBC NI is expanding their coverage, maybe taking Sky matches and expanding their current coverage.
That could be better for Nordies and indeed all of us as in recent years BBC NI has the best punditry and coverage in my opinion. The lads involved all clued in and knowledgeable.
Sidebottom aside. Dose
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 24, 2022, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2022, 04:47:57 PM
"A factor in this decision has been the new shortened GAA season and it's knock-on impact on the number of games Sky Sports wanted to broadcast." - JD Buckley, Sky Ireland CEO"
The Sunday game to get some decent pundits now?
They didn't have great viewership .. https://www.balls.ie/gaa/258965-the-gaas-sky-deal-196636
From what I understood from reading about these rights deals, Sky Sports weren't as bothered about viewing figures.
It was about stopping Irish customers from cancelling and keeping them on board. Possibly pubs too. That's the big target keeping subscriptions.
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Joe Brolly will be happy anyway, even though with him it's all manufactured outrage
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 24, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
Another product of not playing games in July August
There is no way GAA can compete with the soccer schedule in April May on sky
Can say what u want but with such a condensed season there is simply no way RTE will be able to show the amount of hurling and football games on offer
And come August there is nothing on tv to watch
There's lots of good club matches on tv and most of them don't result in four hammering like in Leinster and Munster football championships
I'm no fan of sky.
But those people who've spent the past 5 years complaining that 90 year old Mrs Johnstone can't view matches on Sky, also refuse to remember that before Sky, there was a world more of games that never made it onto tv, for anyone.
My pet hate is the free to air like a TV licence doesn't exist.
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 24, 2022, 07:43:25 PM
Joe Brolly will be happy anyway, even though with him it's all manufactured outrage
Joe soon changed his tune when Eir Sports offered him a job for the league.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 07:55:48 PM
I'm no fan of sky.
But those people who've spent the past 5 years complaining that 90 year old Mrs Johnstone can't view matches on Sky, also refuse to remember that before Sky, there was a world more of games that never made it onto tv, for anyone.
Exactly. The Sky deal brought more games to TV. The vast majority of sky exclusives were qualifier games that RTE never showed anyway!
The likes of Virgin should be doing a bit. Premier Sports also.
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sky have to fill 6-8 channels with sport, 168 hours a week - and as someone above pointed out, GaA during the summer helps keep their Irish and ex Pat subscriptions attractive. Virgin can show re runs of baywatch instead.
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 24, 2022, 07:57:37 PM
My pet hate is the free to air like a TV licence doesn't exist.
Only if ye pay
Just thinking about this and the logical play for GAA is a premium streaming service.
Which means those who didn't have sky will have to pay for games, and those who did have sky will have to pay for games too.
A shitty form of equality if you ask me.
——
It was worth £40 a month for sky not to have to listen to Cantwell and Cavanagh. Two odious personalities fronting our sports.
I'd say GAA Go will probably end up with a load of matches. Difficult to guess what they'd be charging though..
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sky have to fill 6-8 channels with sport, 168 hours a week - and as someone above pointed out, GaA during the summer helps keep their Irish and ex Pat subscriptions attractive. Virgin can show re runs of baywatch instead.
Will that please 90 year old Mrs Johnstone?
There was no club games on TV in the month of August
There's lots of good club matches on tv and most of them don't result in four hammering like in Leinster and Munster football championships
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sky have to fill 6-8 channels with sport, 168 hours a week - and as someone above pointed out, GaA during the summer helps keep their Irish and ex Pat subscriptions attractive. Virgin can show re runs of baywatch instead.
Will that please 90 year old Mrs Johnstone?
Well it's like this. 15 years ago when she was light on her feet but never much went to games in person anyhow, she could have watched 3 episodes of Baywatch in a weekend. But she never got to see 3 live games in a weekend. So Baywatch probably is the better dish for her.
They were always in it just for the money, but not enough buys to make it viable in the long term for 3 months of the year.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 24, 2022, 08:04:59 PM
The likes of Virgin should be doing a bit. Premier Sports also.
The word is they haven't bid or won any rights at least according to Off the Ball.
It sounds like there maybe less games televised now but we'll know tomorrow I think the deal is announced then.
GAA Go would become expensive if it's the alternative on pay per match scenario.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 24, 2022, 09:45:12 PM
They were always in it just for the money, but not enough buys to make it viable in the long term for 3 months of the year.
They wanted league games but GAA wouldn't agree to it supposedly, and more and better championship matches.
Interesting because there will be more games on next year with the group stages in championships?
Disappointing to see Sky Sports GAA coverage ending better quality all round tbh. I ll be turning off the sports package at end of May !
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
GaaGo should put on more highlights, magazine type content etc. It should also give a discount to GAA members.
You could also have integration so that Season ticket holders would get to see a free replay of the game later in the week.
Yup. I reckon they might try a streaming service themselves at some point soon.
I know many disagreed with the Sky deal but Christ their coverage blew RTÉ out of the water at times.
While there was many complaints about Sky and it being in essence PPV as said above the quality was outstanding v RTE.
The worry now would be if GAAGO take over - you would easily spend significantly more than you would on Sky to watch games.
It will be interesting to see if those vocal about the Sky deal keep up the same vociferous attack on the GAA when the majority goes to GAAGO
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Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sky have to fill 6-8 channels with sport, 168 hours a week - and as someone above pointed out, GaA during the summer helps keep their Irish and ex Pat subscriptions attractive. Virgin can show re runs of baywatch instead.
Will that please 90 year old Mrs Johnstone?
It would please her husband.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2022, 08:27:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
A lot of ejits celebrating on social media but all it means are less games available on tv and no competition so RTE can continue to offer their shite coverage. Nothing to celebrate here.
Someone will snap up the SKY planned coverage and probably with less money and the same pundits.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sky have to fill 6-8 channels with sport, 168 hours a week - and as someone above pointed out, GaA during the summer helps keep their Irish and ex Pat subscriptions attractive. Virgin can show re runs of baywatch instead.
Will that please 90 year old Mrs Johnstone?
It would please her husband.
;D ;D
Skys viewing figures were desperate for another reason over here rather then the 'product' been an issue.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 25, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
Skys viewing figures were desperate for another reason over here rather then the 'product' been an issue.
Anglophonia played a major part. How many times did you hear someone give off that a foreign company had rights to the "game of the gods"?
I think he was referring to DodgyBoxes rather than politics.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
I think he was referring to DodgyBoxes rather than politics.
Ahhh.
Something else to bear in mind.
If Sky's viewing figures were as poor as estimated, the naysayers really should stop revelling in their "victory" and try to evaluate the situation against their own needs.
- Sky has 700k subscribers on board in Ireland and likely another 150k in the six counties, and an healthy dose of diaspora subscribers in GB.
- Through their excellent Now TV service, anyone could avail of a day rate at any time to stream one off matches.
- They produced a genuinely top class GAA product.
If a service of that quality isn't supported by GAA people, then a subscription based national streaming service is doomed, while the viewing figures would suggest there just isn't the appetite/commercial viability for e.g. virgin to make one of their channels wall-to-wall GAA at weekends.
I honestly think that losing Sky is poor outcome for gaa folk.
Does anyone know what the figures for GAAgo are like?
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 10:32:08 AM
Something else to bear in mind.
If Sky's viewing figures were as poor as estimated, the naysayers really should stop revelling in their "victory" and try to evaluate the situation against their own needs.
- Sky has 700k subscribers on board in Ireland and likely another 150k in the six counties, and an healthy dose of diaspora subscribers in GB.
- Through their excellent Now TV service, anyone could avail of a day rate at any time to stream one off matches.
- They produced a genuinely top class GAA product.
If a service of that quality isn't supported by GAA people, then a subscription based national streaming service is doomed, while the viewing figures would suggest there just isn't the appetite/commercial viability for e.g. virgin to make one of their channels wall-to-wall GAA at weekends.
I honestly think that losing Sky is poor outcome for gaa folk.
This. While we may not all have liked it, the fact is it failed commercially and people think there will be a queue to replace it?
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Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 10:32:08 AM
Something else to bear in mind.
If Sky's viewing figures were as poor as estimated, the naysayers really should stop revelling in their "victory" and try to evaluate the situation against their own needs.
- Sky has 700k subscribers on board in Ireland and likely another 150k in the six counties, and an healthy dose of diaspora subscribers in GB.
- Through their excellent Now TV service, anyone could avail of a day rate at any time to stream one off matches.
- They produced a genuinely top class GAA product.
If a service of that quality isn't supported by GAA people, then a subscription based national streaming service is doomed, while the viewing figures would suggest there just isn't the appetite/commercial viability for e.g. virgin to make one of their channels wall-to-wall GAA at weekends.
I honestly think that losing Sky is poor outcome for gaa folk.
This. While we may not all have liked it, the fact is it failed commercially and people think there will be a queue to replace it?
There doesn't need to be a queue i'm sure RTE or Virgin will pick up whats left for very little money.
Would less games be any harm? There is no much entertainment in watching the dubs pumping Carlow on a Saturday evening and then Mayo doing the same to Leitrim on a Sunday.
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
Sky wanted to expand including 16 league games, the shortened season was also a hindrance. A big loss, they didn't really displace RTE so the fiction that our wans were missing out was misleading. I suspect that GAAgo will be touted so still a paywall. Sky was good of the GAA and they prove to be shortsighted once again. Premier Sports hopefully will step in.
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 25, 2022, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
Sky wanted to expand including 16 league games, the shortened season was also a hindrance. A big loss, they didn't really displace RTE so the fiction that our wans were missing out was misleading. I suspect that GAAgo will be touted so still a paywall. Sky was good of the GAA and they prove to be shortsighted once again. Premier Sports hopefully will step in.
A lot of people had sky already so getting the gaa on it wasn't anymore expense to them. Not too many have premier sports though so will be extra cost for most if they go with it or gaago. More league games on sky would have been class.
Quote from: markl121 on October 25, 2022, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 25, 2022, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
Sky wanted to expand including 16 league games, the shortened season was also a hindrance. A big loss, they didn't really displace RTE so the fiction that our wans were missing out was misleading. I suspect that GAAgo will be touted so still a paywall. Sky was good of the GAA and they prove to be shortsighted once again. Premier Sports hopefully will step in.
A lot of people had sky already so getting the gaa on it wasn't anymore expense to them. Not too many have premier sports though so will be extra cost for most if they go with it or gaago. More league games on sky would have been class.
Two words.... Dodgy Box. I don't know anyone who pays for Sky or BT.
Quote from: trailer on October 25, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
Quote from: markl121 on October 25, 2022, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 25, 2022, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
Sky wanted to expand including 16 league games, the shortened season was also a hindrance. A big loss, they didn't really displace RTE so the fiction that our wans were missing out was misleading. I suspect that GAAgo will be touted so still a paywall. Sky was good of the GAA and they prove to be shortsighted once again. Premier Sports hopefully will step in.
A lot of people had sky already so getting the gaa on it wasn't anymore expense to them. Not too many have premier sports though so will be extra cost for most if they go with it or gaago. More league games on sky would have been class.
Two words.... Dodgy Box. I don't know anyone who pays for Sky or BT.
I only know of one other person who has Sky and they have the full package too.
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 25, 2022, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 24, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Plenty of wans celebrating, but it's a time for reflection too. If our product was great, Sky would be expanding, not withdrawing.
Sky wanted to expand including 16 league games, the shortened season was also a hindrance. A big loss, they didn't really displace RTE so the fiction that our wans were missing out was misleading. I suspect that GAAgo will be touted so still a paywall. Sky was good of the GAA and they prove to be shortsighted once again. Premier Sports hopefully will step in.
I hope that if the GAA do other deals that there remains a pay per game option and that you do not have to sign up for a season. Sky effectively had that with the NowTV day pass.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
That's not the way it works though as you know.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
So if BBC NI wish to show Fermanagh v Derry next year (which let's be honest, isn't going to make a stir in the lower 26), just say no?
BBC will likely only cover 6 Cos teams or at best Ulster ones.
Virgin (aka ITV Eire(sic)) probably don't know gaelic games exist at all.v
From speaking to a few people who matter I don't think a GAA youtube channel is too far away.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
So if BBC NI wish to show Fermanagh v Derry next year (which let's be honest, isn't going to make a stir in the lower 26), just say no?
I could stand corrected, but is BBC NI not on Saerview?
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
So if BBC NI wish to show Fermanagh v Derry next year (which let's be honest, isn't going to make a stir in the lower 26), just say no?
I could stand corrected, but is BBC NI not on Saerview?
No, it is not and BBC iPlayer does not work legally in the 26 counties either. BBC could pair up with Virgin.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 25, 2022, 01:23:05 PM
From speaking to a few people who matter I don't think a GAA youtube channel is too far away.
Tg4 have that already for some games
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
So if BBC NI wish to show Fermanagh v Derry next year (which let's be honest, isn't going to make a stir in the lower 26), just say no?
I could stand corrected, but is BBC NI not on Saerview?
Have definitely watched bbc in southern hotels and bnbs. Also watched liz truss resigning live on the web player the other day
Fintan O'Toole
New GAA broadcast deal announced (2023-27).
RTÉ TV to show 31 championship games across the island of Ireland and the BBC retains its Ulster SFC rights.
BBC will also simulcast with RTÉ, All-Ireland semi-finals & finals, and broadcast at least one final on wider BBC TV network.
New sharing arrangement between RTÉ and TG4 will see an increase in Saturday night free to air league games. TG4 will continue Sunday afternoon live league coverage. 10 league games for BBC per season involving Ulster teams.
Exclusive championship games to be made available on GAAGO platform in Ireland and overseas from 2023 season onwards.
RTE to televise Joe McDonagh Cup final, Tailteann Cup semi-finals and final.
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-broadcast-statement-2023-2027/
Did RTE not show 31 last year too? Sad step backwards losing the 14 Sky and not being replaced.
I'm sure there's a few on here like me who remembers you only saw 3 live football games every year. Same in hurling. Was a bonus if we got a replay
31 is OK I think
That is a log of big games in football and hurling that won't be live on TV
What a terrible deal.
So qualifier games will essentially be non-televised now. Great.
What's the GaaGo quality like ? Used it a couple of times a couple of years ago and it wasn't great
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2022, 02:50:34 PM
So qualifier games will essentially be non-televised now. Great.
Yous boys will hardly be in them anyway ;).
There won't be any qualifiers
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 25, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
What's the GaaGo quality like ? Used it a couple of times a couple of years ago and it wasn't great
Looks like GAAGO is going to take up the slack.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2022, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2022, 02:50:34 PM
So qualifier games will essentially be non-televised now. Great.
Yous boys will hardly be in them anyway ;).
Leave the cute hoorishness to us!
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
That works both ways though. I have no idea how BBC NI are allowed broadcast Ulster county games on the BBC player when it is not available in the Republic.
This new deal seems to be a continuation of that, it's unacceptable as many previous games were on Eir Sport available island wide before that. BBC player is notoriously difficult to stream in Republic as they have geoblocked it.
Quote from: 5times5times on October 25, 2022, 02:26:13 PM
Did RTE not show 31 last year too? Sad step backwards losing the 14 Sky and not being replaced.
It does seem like a huge step backwards. We've lost Eir Sports extra league games from TV and now Sky Sports Championship games in a short space of time.
Seems like there will be far less matches televised than even 2 years ago yet there is more matches than ever. Throw games on GAA Go as PPV and BBC player which are both inaccessible to large swathes of population seems a poor move.
I imagine Newstalk will be disappointed to not get radio rights. They do a huge amount to promote GAA on Off the Ball in fairness. Is RTE Radio 1 near as good?
You'd wonder about the whole rights process, this all took 1 year to negotiate and in the end it's basically as you were, out with Sky Sports and Eir Sports but GAA Go and RTE more.
According to the news RTE actually own a stake in GAA GO also?
Good news about RTE introducing a 2nd highlights programme. It will be interesting to see what they do with this. It will be badly needed if a lot of the games won't be live on TV.
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Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2022, 10:25:25 PM
I'd say Virgin will step back in and TG4 get more.
Plus RTÉ would have more live league games.
RTÉ are far from flush and they will need to go big for the Women's World Cup in 2023 too.
Any organisation that can't offer full coverage over the 32 counties should not be considered.
So if BBC NI wish to show Fermanagh v Derry next year (which let's be honest, isn't going to make a stir in the lower 26), just say no?
I could stand corrected, but is BBC NI not on Saerview?
Have definitely watched bbc in southern hotels and bnbs. Also watched liz truss resigning live on the web player the other day
Of course BBC is on cable and can be received from Satellite, but it is not on Saorview.
The player not working is a broader issue, whatever about drama etc in my opinion local NI content news, current affairs etc should at least be available in the 26 counties.
Very occasionally they put something like the McRory finals on the website without the geoblock.
It's time for a United Ireland
Quote from: 5times5times on October 25, 2022, 02:26:13 PM
Did RTE not show 31 last year too? Sad step backwards losing the 14 Sky and not being replaced.
There's also the fact that the football championship will have 55 extra games next year under the new structure.
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Newstalk not getting any radio coverage is shite too
Often the RTE Saturday / Sunday sport is covering everything from tiddlywinks to womens volleyball and there is no full live coverage of games , without interruption.
Also because they are covering so much on a Saturday or Sunday some of the later games don't even get covered at all, particularly league games, instead there is some crap documentary on. All this and they have exclusive rights to cover on radio.
I'm a Virgin TV customer and for some reason at times I'd couldn't get the BBC championship stuff.
Like RTÉ are hoovering up rights for lots of things but then can't do it justice.
Plenty more Marty Morrissey then ffs
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 25, 2022, 03:01:16 PM
Looks like GAAGO is going to take up the slack.
Sure it's only as good as the broadcaster carrying the match. Is the GAA going to have their own cameras and commentators at matches not shown on RTE?
I'd there anything to be said for another mass a type of final score/soccer Saturday type show for Rte on League Sunday's in particular?
#unbelievablemarty
Any tv deals should come with the proviso that any coverage is available to all 32 counties. It's a 32 county sport and I find it disgusting when games aren't available to us in the north.
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 25, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Big difference between subscription model (Sky) and PPV model (GAAgo). Sky have some events on PPV like boxing, but never GAA. So if you are a Sky Sports subscriber or Dodgy Box holder, the Sky games cost you nothing. The option to drop round to the local to watch it is also unlikely to be an option with GAA Go.
We can see now why the GAA refused to allow Sky get more games, they wanted to expand GAA Go. More money in the coffers.
They'll offer a season ticket and will say this is great value at a few euro per week or a few euro per game, when you buy them all. But I'd say they'll try and fleece us with the price per individual game. They'll have big games too including at least one football provincial final and big games prior to the AI semi finals.
The football followers usually take these 'setbacks' lying down, but the hurling lads will create a big hullaballoo when they figure this all out!
Quote from: Hound on October 26, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 25, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Big difference between subscription model (Sky) and PPV model (GAAgo). Sky have some events on PPV like boxing, but never GAA. So if you are a Sky Sports subscriber or Dodgy Box holder, the Sky games cost you nothing. The option to drop round to the local to watch it is also unlikely to be an option with GAA Go.
We can see now why the GAA refused to allow Sky get more games, they wanted to expand GAA Go. More money in the coffers.
They'll offer a season ticket and will say this is great value at a few euro per week or a few euro per game, when you buy them all. But I'd say they'll try and fleece us with the price per individual game. They'll have big games too including at least one football provincial final and big games prior to the AI semi finals.
The football followers usually take these 'setbacks' lying down, but the hurling lads will create a big hullaballoo when they figure this all out!
Agree with most of your post, but if your local can't get GAAGO then you need a new local
Quote from: lenny on October 25, 2022, 10:18:39 PM
Any tv deals should come with the proviso that any coverage is available to all 32 counties. It's a 32 county sport and I find it disgusting when games aren't available to us in the north.
Well Sky are out of the way now so that shouldn't be an issue.
Quote from: Hound on October 26, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 25, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Big difference between subscription model (Sky) and PPV model (GAAgo). Sky have some events on PPV like boxing, but never GAA. So if you are a Sky Sports subscriber or Dodgy Box holder, the Sky games cost you nothing. The option to drop round to the local to watch it is also unlikely to be an option with GAA Go.
We can see now why the GAA refused to allow Sky get more games, they wanted to expand GAA Go. More money in the coffers.
They'll offer a season ticket and will say this is great value at a few euro per week or a few euro per game, when you buy them all. But I'd say they'll try and fleece us with the price per individual game. They'll have big games too including at least one football provincial final and big games prior to the AI semi finals.
The football followers usually take these 'setbacks' lying down, but the hurling lads will create a big hullaballoo when they figure this all out!
You wouldn't mind paying for a season ticket, if they provided a reasonable service. That is, not only live games, but the opportunity to watch later and if they built substantial highlights packages and had preview programmes.
As for pay per view, there is some displacement from actual attendance in some cases. It is much cheaper to watch than travel to the game.
Will there be a pay not to view for most football games?
Quote from: Hound on October 26, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 25, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Big difference between subscription model (Sky) and PPV model (GAAgo). Sky have some events on PPV like boxing, but never GAA. So if you are a Sky Sports subscriber or Dodgy Box holder, the Sky games cost you nothing. The option to drop round to the local to watch it is also unlikely to be an option with GAA Go.
We can see now why the GAA refused to allow Sky get more games, they wanted to expand GAA Go. More money in the coffers.
They'll offer a season ticket and will say this is great value at a few euro per week or a few euro per game, when you buy them all. But I'd say they'll try and fleece us with the price per individual game. They'll have big games too including at least one football provincial final and big games prior to the AI semi finals.
The football followers usually take these 'setbacks' lying down, but the hurling lads will create a big hullaballoo when they figure this all out!
Great news, since the vast majority of profit is redistributed at grass roots.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:50:35 PM
I'd there anything to be said for another mass a type of final score/soccer Saturday type show for Rte on League Sunday's in particular?
#unbelievablemarty
good idea
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 26, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 26, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 25, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these games will be €10 each on GAA Go.
Seems like this deal is all about swapping SKY PPV for RTE PPV.
Big difference between subscription model (Sky) and PPV model (GAAgo). Sky have some events on PPV like boxing, but never GAA. So if you are a Sky Sports subscriber or Dodgy Box holder, the Sky games cost you nothing. The option to drop round to the local to watch it is also unlikely to be an option with GAA Go.
We can see now why the GAA refused to allow Sky get more games, they wanted to expand GAA Go. More money in the coffers.
They'll offer a season ticket and will say this is great value at a few euro per week or a few euro per game, when you buy them all. But I'd say they'll try and fleece us with the price per individual game. They'll have big games too including at least one football provincial final and big games prior to the AI semi finals.
The football followers usually take these 'setbacks' lying down, but the hurling lads will create a big hullaballoo when they figure this all out!
Great news, since the vast majority of profit is redistributed at grass roots.
But it's circular - taking 100% from the "grassroots" to give X% (a fair chunk less than 100%) back to the grassroots.
It's not as if non-GAA supporters are going to randomly pay for a GAA stream. It'll be the people who are already GAA supporters who pay for the streams.
Any guesses as to what a GAAGo annual pass will cost? Think it was €120 last year.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on October 26, 2022, 04:31:52 PM
Any guesses as to what a GAAGo annual pass will cost? Think it was €120 last year.
€5 a game would be plenty tbh.
Great to see RTE get a Monopoly on GAA Coverage. With such power, we should see them drive on to be a force in GAA coverage. There will be no resting on their laurels.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on October 26, 2022, 04:31:52 PM
Any guesses as to what a GAAGo annual pass will cost? Think it was €120 last year.
It'll be 150-200 with the extra games next year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2022, 04:37:14 PM
Great to see RTE get a Monopoly on GAA Coverage. With such power, we should see them drive on to be a force in GAA coverage. There will be no resting on their laurels.
Don't worry they'll fit it in between rugby games >:(
Didnt take long for wee Seamy Byson to give out anyway.
when are national league fixture out
Very disappointed to see Sky lose out. A real benefit to me as I can't get RTE on an aerial where I live. So very handy also useful when RTÉ for some reason or other decide to broadcast on RTE1 which is only carried in SD on sky in the north and is practically unwatchable for hurling matches.
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1027/1331810-gaa-has-big-calls-to-make-on-streaming-offering-rouse/
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
You'd be thinking, no! Not in large numbers anyway. It was good for the converted in Britain who could get easier access to seeing games.
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
Apparently not. A sizeable number of people left the Tyrone panel despite an uptick in GAAGO revenues, per the ESRI.
The correlation is low.
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
Apparently not. A sizeable number of people left the Tyrone panel despite an uptick in GAAGO revenues, per the ESRI.
The correlation is low.
A bit of a non sequitur.
I don't think they stopped playing football.
Quote from: LeoMc on October 29, 2022, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
Apparently not. A sizeable number of people left the Tyrone panel despite an uptick in GAAGO revenues, per the ESRI.
The correlation is low.
A bit of a non sequitur.
I don't think they stopped playing football.
You can't call what them Tyrone ones do on a pitch football ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 29, 2022, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 29, 2022, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Has the increased exposure of GAA led to a greater uptake in people playing the games?
Apparently not. A sizeable number of people left the Tyrone panel despite an uptick in GAAGO revenues, per the ESRI.
The correlation is low.
A bit of a non sequitur.
I don't think they stopped playing football.
You can't call what them Tyrone ones do on a pitch football ;)
I agree. It is "poetry in motion."
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 29, 2022, 11:10:00 AM
I agree. It is "poetry in motion."
It does remind you of motions, to be sure.
QuoteGAAGO HAS UNVEILED its exclusive 2023 GAA Championship broadcast schedule, presentation team and pricing.
After eight years of serving the GAA's international fan base, next year's entry into the domestic Irish market represents a huge growth step for the online streaming platform.
Fans will access 38 live or on-demand matches in HD quality for a launch price of €59 up until 31 December before it moves to €79.
Individual pay-per-game matches will be available for €12, a '3-for-2' bundle deal will cost €24 and GAA members will receive 10% off any full price (€79) subscription. GAA clubs will be able to avail of a group pass for €150.
The subscription service will provide live action from every Provincial Championship and the football All-Ireland series to viewers in Ireland and around the world for 18 match days across 11 weekends.
Within the 38-game schedule twenty-two Sam Maguire cup, nine Liam MacCarthy cup and seven Tailteann Cup matches will be streamed.
Some weekends will see matches shown on both Saturday and Sunday with simultaneous live feeds occurring on certain dates.
So - pay per view then
It was a cert, wonder what the anti Sky brigade reckon now
I got this email from GAAGO a few weeks ago (I use the GAAGO app on a Roku stick).
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Dear Customer,
We are contacting you today to inform you that the GAAGO Roku app has been discontinued. However, there are a number of ways for you to continue watching GAAGO content:
Directly on our website https://www.gaago.ie. Simply go to our website. Click 'LOGIN' in the top right-hand corn. Enter the email address and password associated with your GAAGO account in the provided fields. Click on the box beside the text 'I am not a robot' and complete any verification steps required. Wait a few seconds for the spinning loading wheel to become a tick symbol the proceed to click the 'LOGIN' button positioned below. Once logged in, click the 'MATCHES' tab along the navigation bar at the top of the screen to generate a dropdown menu. If you wish to purchase or watch an upcoming or live game, click on 'LIVE & UPCOMING,' and click on the BUY/WATCH button displayed below the game listing image. If you wish to watch on-demand content, select 'CATCH UP' from the MATCHES tab dropdown and access in the same way as above
In the coming weeks, the GAAGO apps for iOS and Android will also be relaunched. The apps have been totally rebuilt to ensure an improved user experience. You can sign in with your existing account and access content bought via the gaago.ie website, or the Roku app, directly on your mobile or tablet. The apps will also allow casting to your TV via Chromecast or Apple Airplay - see our FAQs post launch for full details.
You can also watch on your TV via a wired connection, by connecting your laptop to your TV. Simply connect one end of a HDMI cable (can be purchased in any electrical store and most supermarkets will stock them) into your laptop and the other end into a HDMI port at the back of your TV and whatever is on your device screen will display on your TV screen. Typically, this comes in on your TV on a separate source to your cable, ordinarily called HDMI 1, 2, 3 and so on. This will depend on your TV so please see your TV manual for further information on this. You will need to select the source the HDMI connection footage is coming in on your TV in order to view it on your TV; it will not automatically appear on screen once you hook it up.
Please keep an eye on our email newsletter, social channels and the gaago.ie website for further updates about how to access GAAGO. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch on support@gaago.ie and a member of our Support Team will get back to you as soon as they possibly can.
Kind Regards,
GAAGO Team
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Quote from: Saffrongael on December 15, 2022, 01:12:45 PM
It was a cert, wonder what the anti Sky brigade reckon now
What is the exact problem, you had to pay for Sky as well, although a day pass for Sky was better value at €10.
I presume that the usual programme of games will also be on RTÉ and BBC NI have all the Ulster stuff.
In the above it seems that you can pay €59 before the end of the year and get 38 matches.
I'd agree with this better if Gaago had some other content, magazine programmes, archives of old games etc then people could also get.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 15, 2022, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 15, 2022, 01:12:45 PM
It was a cert, wonder what the anti Sky brigade reckon now
What is the exact problem, you had to pay for Sky as well, although a day pass for Sky was better value at €10.
I presume that the usual programme of games will also be on RTÉ and BBC NI have all the Ulster stuff.
In the above it seems that you can pay €59 before the end of the year and get 38 matches.
I'd agree with this better if Gaago had some other content, magazine programmes, archives of old games etc then people could also get.
That's what I was thinking
I don't know about others , but there's only so much football I can bear anyway (especially with the crab football we see nowadays). . Highlights on TSG is more than enough for me.
Sky looking like a bargain now! ;D
Be careful what you wish for...
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
How many of those is the average fan likely to be interested in and take time out to watch? Probably 10 or 15 at most? Bear in mind that includes both codes.
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
Yes €1.55 per game is good value. Out of interest how long will games be left up to watch back on I'd wonder.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 15, 2022, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
How many of those is the average fan likely to be interested in and take time out to watch? Probably 10 or 15 at most? Bear in mind that includes both codes.
All we need is a few tightwads to share a login. You could have a Mayo, Tyrone and Meath person to watch the football and a Tipp, Wexford and Cork person to watch the hurling.
I think it's more will the yappers be as quick to slander games going behind this paywall as they were Sky.. I.E all the old bollocks and Rte goons
I'd also ask what the quality will be like?
Are we talking zero analysis, two cameras and some lad getting his first comms gig?
Like, say what you want about Sky but it was well produced.
It'll take a while for it to reach the standards now expected.
The presentation of Down TV has noticeably improved over the years to the point that it's noticeably superior product to Armagh TV or Ulster TV that I tuned into this year.
GAA Go will start with bigger budgets and I'd expect a few full timers to put standards in place. But I'm not sure that logistically and presentationally they can hit the ground at a canter.
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 15, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
But then you would have to watch the ladies football if you bought it! :-[
Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2022, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 15, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
But then you would have to watch the ladies football if you bought it! :-[
Some of the best games in recent years has been ladies matches. The Armagh Kerry clash last year was great , and the Meath girls can play some great football
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 15, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
You're comparing a totally different product there. Next you'll be giving out that the All Ireland finals aren't priced at €25 like the ladies finals.
At €1.55 it's pretty decent value imo.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 15, 2022, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2022, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 15, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
But then you would have to watch the ladies football if you bought it! :-[
Some of the best games in recent years has been ladies matches. The Armagh Kerry clash last year was great , and the Meath girls can play some great football
The Galway v Dublin 2019 final was the worst game of any sport I've ever seen
Quote from: 03,05,08 on December 16, 2022, 12:25:09 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 15, 2022, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2022, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 15, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 15, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
38 matches for €59 isn't bad value in fairness if they are going to charge €12 for an individual match.
The LGFA season pass for next year is €50 - that has over 50 league games, 11 All-Ireland club championship games and all intercounty championship games not broadcast on TV.
Not really all that great when compared to LGFA package.
A big problem is that this is an RTE joint venture and RTE are the ones who are effectively running GAAGo so they have no incentive whatsoever to put RTE's GAA coverage under any sort of pressure so expect more of the same in terms of coverage.
But then you would have to watch the ladies football if you bought it! :-[
Some of the best games in recent years has been ladies matches. The Armagh Kerry clash last year was great , and the Meath girls can play some great football
The Galway v Dublin 2019 final was the worst game of any sport I've ever seen
You havent watched much sport then
Just to go back. The product is replacing Sky so it does need to have full production at least.
The other worry is that if it is a Gaa in-house thing will any real criticism take place. Sometimes things need to be called out.
You pay less for ladies football because the quality isnt the same - straightforward enough.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 16, 2022, 09:47:21 AM
You pay less for ladies football because the quality isnt the same - straightforward enough.
Dont think that is right. You more for stuff because it is more popular, doesnt always correlate with the quality. For example, some of the games Dublin male team have been involved in are woeful in terms of a spectacle yet they get prime billing on tv.
I'm delighted with it. €59 is good value. Reckon I'll watch most of the games.
I don't have Sky or a receiver to even get a one day Sky pass so this is by far the best value option for me.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 16, 2022, 09:47:21 AM
You pay less for ladies football because the quality isnt the same - straightforward enough.
The product is less established.
Quote from: dec on December 15, 2022, 02:20:35 PM
I got this email from GAAGO a few weeks ago (I use the GAAGO app on a Roku stick).
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Dear Customer,
We are contacting you today to inform you that the GAAGO Roku app has been discontinued. However, there are a number of ways for you to continue watching GAAGO content:
Directly on our website https://www.gaago.ie. Simply go to our website. Click 'LOGIN' in the top right-hand corn. Enter the email address and password associated with your GAAGO account in the provided fields. Click on the box beside the text 'I am not a robot' and complete any verification steps required. Wait a few seconds for the spinning loading wheel to become a tick symbol the proceed to click the 'LOGIN' button positioned below. Once logged in, click the 'MATCHES' tab along the navigation bar at the top of the screen to generate a dropdown menu. If you wish to purchase or watch an upcoming or live game, click on 'LIVE & UPCOMING,' and click on the BUY/WATCH button displayed below the game listing image. If you wish to watch on-demand content, select 'CATCH UP' from the MATCHES tab dropdown and access in the same way as above
In the coming weeks, the GAAGO apps for iOS and Android will also be relaunched. The apps have been totally rebuilt to ensure an improved user experience. You can sign in with your existing account and access content bought via the gaago.ie website, or the Roku app, directly on your mobile or tablet. The apps will also allow casting to your TV via Chromecast or Apple Airplay - see our FAQs post launch for full details.
You can also watch on your TV via a wired connection, by connecting your laptop to your TV. Simply connect one end of a HDMI cable (can be purchased in any electrical store and most supermarkets will stock them) into your laptop and the other end into a HDMI port at the back of your TV and whatever is on your device screen will display on your TV screen. Typically, this comes in on your TV on a separate source to your cable, ordinarily called HDMI 1, 2, 3 and so on. This will depend on your TV so please see your TV manual for further information on this. You will need to select the source the HDMI connection footage is coming in on your TV in order to view it on your TV; it will not automatically appear on screen once you hook it up.
Please keep an eye on our email newsletter, social channels and the gaago.ie website for further updates about how to access GAAGO. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch on support@gaago.ie and a member of our Support Team will get back to you as soon as they possibly can.
Kind Regards,
GAAGO Team
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FFS.
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
I get that Roku etc is becoming obsolete, but are GAA Go not going to create an app we can download directly on to the tv itself like every other app is doing?
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
In many ways it remains the most reliable approach.
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
FFS.
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
I get that Roku etc is becoming obsolete, but are GAA Go not going to create an app we can download directly on to the tv itself like every other app is doing?
I don't think Rokus are obsolete, the majority of TVs in the US are sold with either Roku or FireTV installed, not sure what it is like in Ireland/UK.
In the US https://thedesk.net/2022/10/roku-amazon-market-share-domestic-q3-2022-parks-associates/
"Roku and Amazon are tied for first place among the four biggest streaming hardware platforms, with each commanding a 40 percent share of the space as of the third quarter of 2022"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m-nNeZkA7Y&t=4560s
Quote from: dec on December 16, 2022, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
FFS.
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
I get that Roku etc is becoming obsolete, but are GAA Go not going to create an app we can download directly on to the tv itself like every other app is doing?
I don't think Rokus are obsolete, the majority of TVs in the US are sold with either Roku or FireTV installed, not sure what it is like in Ireland/UK.
In the US https://thedesk.net/2022/10/roku-amazon-market-share-domestic-q3-2022-parks-associates/
"Roku and Amazon are tied for first place among the four biggest streaming hardware platforms, with each commanding a 40 percent share of the space as of the third quarter of 2022"
Most tvs are now coming with the standard apps pre installed.
May need a Roku or Firestick for certain things, but they'll become unnecessary for most people as tvs are replaced.
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: dec on December 15, 2022, 02:20:35 PM
I got this email from GAAGO a few weeks ago (I use the GAAGO app on a Roku stick).
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Dear Customer,
We are contacting you today to inform you that the GAAGO Roku app has been discontinued. However, there are a number of ways for you to continue watching GAAGO content:
Directly on our website https://www.gaago.ie. Simply go to our website. Click 'LOGIN' in the top right-hand corn. Enter the email address and password associated with your GAAGO account in the provided fields. Click on the box beside the text 'I am not a robot' and complete any verification steps required. Wait a few seconds for the spinning loading wheel to become a tick symbol the proceed to click the 'LOGIN' button positioned below. Once logged in, click the 'MATCHES' tab along the navigation bar at the top of the screen to generate a dropdown menu. If you wish to purchase or watch an upcoming or live game, click on 'LIVE & UPCOMING,' and click on the BUY/WATCH button displayed below the game listing image. If you wish to watch on-demand content, select 'CATCH UP' from the MATCHES tab dropdown and access in the same way as above
In the coming weeks, the GAAGO apps for iOS and Android will also be relaunched. The apps have been totally rebuilt to ensure an improved user experience. You can sign in with your existing account and access content bought via the gaago.ie website, or the Roku app, directly on your mobile or tablet. The apps will also allow casting to your TV via Chromecast or Apple Airplay - see our FAQs post launch for full details.
You can also watch on your TV via a wired connection, by connecting your laptop to your TV. Simply connect one end of a HDMI cable (can be purchased in any electrical store and most supermarkets will stock them) into your laptop and the other end into a HDMI port at the back of your TV and whatever is on your device screen will display on your TV screen. Typically, this comes in on your TV on a separate source to your cable, ordinarily called HDMI 1, 2, 3 and so on. This will depend on your TV so please see your TV manual for further information on this. You will need to select the source the HDMI connection footage is coming in on your TV in order to view it on your TV; it will not automatically appear on screen once you hook it up.
Please keep an eye on our email newsletter, social channels and the gaago.ie website for further updates about how to access GAAGO. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch on support@gaago.ie and a member of our Support Team will get back to you as soon as they possibly can.
Kind Regards,
GAAGO Team
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FFS.
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
I get that Roku etc is becoming obsolete, but are GAA Go not going to create an app we can download directly on to the tv itself like every other app is doing?
This is a major flaw. I have no issue with the app myself but I have elderly family who don't even have broadband and this GAA go is a pain in the ass tbh :(
If you get them broadband then what do you do? Spend ages f**king round with stuff. Not feasible for them.
Using a screen mirror is handier that using cables.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2022, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: dec on December 15, 2022, 02:20:35 PM
I got this email from GAAGO a few weeks ago (I use the GAAGO app on a Roku stick).
--------
Dear Customer,
We are contacting you today to inform you that the GAAGO Roku app has been discontinued. However, there are a number of ways for you to continue watching GAAGO content:
Directly on our website https://www.gaago.ie. Simply go to our website. Click 'LOGIN' in the top right-hand corn. Enter the email address and password associated with your GAAGO account in the provided fields. Click on the box beside the text 'I am not a robot' and complete any verification steps required. Wait a few seconds for the spinning loading wheel to become a tick symbol the proceed to click the 'LOGIN' button positioned below. Once logged in, click the 'MATCHES' tab along the navigation bar at the top of the screen to generate a dropdown menu. If you wish to purchase or watch an upcoming or live game, click on 'LIVE & UPCOMING,' and click on the BUY/WATCH button displayed below the game listing image. If you wish to watch on-demand content, select 'CATCH UP' from the MATCHES tab dropdown and access in the same way as above
In the coming weeks, the GAAGO apps for iOS and Android will also be relaunched. The apps have been totally rebuilt to ensure an improved user experience. You can sign in with your existing account and access content bought via the gaago.ie website, or the Roku app, directly on your mobile or tablet. The apps will also allow casting to your TV via Chromecast or Apple Airplay - see our FAQs post launch for full details.
You can also watch on your TV via a wired connection, by connecting your laptop to your TV. Simply connect one end of a HDMI cable (can be purchased in any electrical store and most supermarkets will stock them) into your laptop and the other end into a HDMI port at the back of your TV and whatever is on your device screen will display on your TV screen. Typically, this comes in on your TV on a separate source to your cable, ordinarily called HDMI 1, 2, 3 and so on. This will depend on your TV so please see your TV manual for further information on this. You will need to select the source the HDMI connection footage is coming in on your TV in order to view it on your TV; it will not automatically appear on screen once you hook it up.
Please keep an eye on our email newsletter, social channels and the gaago.ie website for further updates about how to access GAAGO. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch on support@gaago.ie and a member of our Support Team will get back to you as soon as they possibly can.
Kind Regards,
GAAGO Team
------
FFS.
I thought we'd left hooking the computer up to the tv behind 10 years ago.
I get that Roku etc is becoming obsolete, but are GAA Go not going to create an app we can download directly on to the tv itself like every other app is doing?
This is a major flaw. I have no issue with the app myself but I have elderly family who don't even have broadband and this GAA go is a pain in the ass tbh :(
If you get them broadband then what do you do? Spend ages f**king round with stuff. Not feasible for them.
Chromecast off the phone