Future of Derry football

statto · July 19, 2024, 01:28:06 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on July 19, 2024, 01:15:18 PMSo the "Future of Derry Football" thread has morphed into a thread about Armagh. lol.

Whatever about the future, the general quality of teams in this years championship is been poor.
Bad as we were, we could have beat Kerry.
A div 2 side are in the AI final.
Dublin and Kerry out in the semis with a whimper.
Say what you want about McGeeney - this years success should be measured alongside the decline of other teams. I still don't think they have great players but could actually win an AI.
There hasn't been a really good game of football played this year.
[/quote one team lost a semi after extra time the other by a point would hardly call that going out with a whimper.both semi finals were of good standard Dublin Galway was good Ulster final was good.

JoG2 · July 19, 2024, 01:32:32 PM

Quote from: toby47 on July 19, 2024, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2024, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: toby47 on July 19, 2024, 09:51:12 AMu20's only deserve to play if they are good enough.
6ft 3" or 6ft 4" intercounty players don't grow on tree's
Managers like Kieran McGeeney don't grow on tree's.
Another 6-7 subs up to inter county level standard aren't there yet, by the time they are up to that standard 2-3 key players will slip off. IC football squads in a revolving door.

Anyone feel that Derry just aren't at the level to win an AI?

Maybe I'm just a depresso.

It took McGeeney 6 or 7 years to get his first championship win. But for a huge slice of luck and Kerry not converting a couple of gilt edge goal chances they could have lost last weekend by 7 or 8 points and the last 10 years didn't amount to much, zero trophies and a few Croke Park knock out games

There is more to management than results over the years. It's his ability to keep a panel together, get everyone to buy in, listen to Armagh players interviews (even from subs) at the end of every season when asked if they want Geezer back - They are mad about him. How many other men could have managed Armagh and kept everyone as happy? Does that status of manager exist in Derry?..that was more my point. What Derry man could manage Derry now and after 3 years, get another 2 years even if they hadn't won anything, and still keep the full panel together, players willing to die for him?

The point is moot imo as there's no way a Derry manager at this moment in time would get 2 or 3 years nevermind 7 years without a win to try and build and keep a squad together, I'd say the same goes for every other county on the island except for Armagh. How McGeeney kept his job with lots calling for his year after year is a modern miracle
But I'll agree, the way he has kept the squad together is to be applauded. The heartache the management / squad have endured the last few years, and to stay united and playing for each other is amazing and more power to them.

93-DY-SAM · July 19, 2024, 01:52:59 PM

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2024, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 19, 2024, 01:15:18 PMSo the "Future of Derry Football" thread has morphed into a thread about Armagh. lol.

Whatever about the future, the general quality of teams in this years championship is been poor.
Bad as we were, we could have beat Kerry.
A div 2 side are in the AI final.
Dublin and Kerry out in the semis with a whimper.
Say what you want about McGeeney - this years success should be measured alongside the decline of other teams. I still don't think they have great players but could actually win an AI.
There hasn't been a really good game of football played this year.

You were miles off beating Kerry who were poor and still dispatched you easily.

(I would follow derry outside my own county with family from there and would root for you but that is not realistic at all.)

Bit unfair on Armagh. Armagh finish stronger in games than they start and that is massive these days. Kerry did it on you last year by bringing on a very strong bench and Armagh did it on Kerry this year. Dublin also did it on Kerry in the final.

It's a 20+ man game now. Derry have been working on near 15 too long though have found a few more this year. You were unlucky with injuries this year too - you have as good a half back line is as about but was completely wiped out with suspensions and injuries this year - however you don't have enough depth which is how championships are won these days. It's not boys who happen to end up super subs it's boys on the bench who are likely better than boys starting.

How many counties have enough strength to replace their entire half-back line like for like? None I would say!

imtommygunn · July 19, 2024, 01:59:05 PM

I agree with you there - unlucky with injuries. However you have nowhere near the depth even with them available. It's mainly a forward problem I think. Just not enough scoring forwards.

93-DY-SAM · July 19, 2024, 02:03:43 PM

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2024, 01:59:05 PMI agree with you there - unlucky with injuries. However you have nowhere near the depth even with them available. It's mainly a forward problem I think. Just not enough scoring forwards.

You'll not find many here disagreeing with that.

Silver hill · July 19, 2024, 09:02:58 PM

Quote from: LC on July 19, 2024, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 19, 2024, 09:44:53 AMI have a feeling Gallagher will learn from his first stint and try to develop the panel. Having said that I would like our u20s to get a good, clear run in the next few seasons.

Sounds like someone is in the know re who the next Derry manager will be.

I will be very surprised if Rory Gallagher isn't unveiled as the new Derry manager (or coach under a token manager).

quit yo jibbajabba · July 19, 2024, 09:45:44 PM

Have heard RG also

toby47 · July 19, 2024, 11:32:03 PM

He's in taking sessions at club teams in Derry. He will be back.

Wildweasel74 · July 20, 2024, 01:24:00 AM

Don't know about alot of points here butvfrom club games i seen, theres plenty of big men playing in the county league. If they good enough is another matter. I don't think Derry would picked Ben Crealey on their county panel, but he's doing some job for Armagh this year.

Mikhailov · July 20, 2024, 01:45:28 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 20, 2024, 01:24:00 AMDon't know about alot of points here butvfrom club games i seen, theres plenty of big men playing in the county league. If they good enough is another matter. I don't think Derry would picked Ben Crealey on their county panel, but he's doing some job for Armagh this year.

You obviously haven't seen him play for Maghery then? He stands out a mile at club level - a quality player who doesn't seek the limelight and keeps himself to himself.
McGeeney doesn't play you for the sake of it. He is keeping out Jarly Og, Soupy, Mackin and a few others who have all played midfield in the national league so he is worthy of inclusion

NotedObserver · July 20, 2024, 02:36:40 AM

Quote from: Mikhailov on July 20, 2024, 01:45:28 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 20, 2024, 01:24:00 AMDon't know about alot of points here butvfrom club games i seen, theres plenty of big men playing in the county league. If they good enough is another matter. I don't think Derry would picked Ben Crealey on their county panel, but he's doing some job for Armagh this year.

You obviously haven't seen him play for Maghery then? He stands out a mile at club level - a quality player who doesn't seek the limelight and keeps himself to himself.
McGeeney doesn't play you for the sake of it. He is keeping out Jarly Og, Soupy, Mackin and a few others who have all played midfield in the national league so he is worthy of inclusion
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Ben Crealey would not be picked on Derry panel? Some mad takes out there

statto · July 20, 2024, 09:24:32 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 20, 2024, 01:24:00 AMDon't know about alot of points here butvfrom club games i seen, theres plenty of big men playing in the county league. If they good enough is another matter. I don't think Derry would picked Ben Crealey on their county panel, but he's doing some job for Armagh this year.

Would he not be picked as that's not the type of player Derry be looking for?Rogers won't go on forever so will need some type of replacement the next few years.Crealey was part of an Armagh midfield that took Derry apart in Celtic park a few months ago so strange think he wouldn't be a Derry panelist.

GTP · July 20, 2024, 10:48:17 AM

Reading the full post about Crealey it is more a criticism of the Derry set up that they wouldn't pick a player of his type and therefore as a team and squad we are worse off. It is only about the player if you ignore "he's doing some job for Armagh this year."
MH inherited RGs panel and ultimately couldn't manage it the next management set up will need to establish standards and a style of play pretty quick given the split season.
Armagh keeping their manager in place whilst tweaking the backroom seems to have benefited them. Although I doubt Derry fans would accept gradual improvement over the same period McGeeney has been in post.

p3427977 · July 20, 2024, 10:54:46 AM

Quote from: GTP on July 20, 2024, 10:48:17 AMReading the full post about Crealey it is more a criticism of the Derry set up that they wouldn't pick a player of his type and therefore as a team and squad we are worse off. It is only about the player if you ignore "he's doing some job for Armagh this year."
MH inherited RGs panel and ultimately couldn't manage it the next management set up will need to establish standards and a style of play pretty quick given the split season.
Armagh keeping their manager in place whilst tweaking the backroom seems to have benefited them. Although I doubt Derry fans would accept gradual improvement over the same period McGeeney has been in post.

If it resulted in an All Ireland I'd be happy enough.

marty34 · July 20, 2024, 11:06:18 AM

Would it be true to say that the current Armagh panel have won nothing or very little at club, and especially inter-county level up through the age groups?

Fair to say that Armagh hsve won very little at minor and U20/21 level in the last 20 years?

This is not a criticism but a genuine query. If true, then it would vindicate a longer term manager i.e. over 8-10 years to build a proper panel.

Now obviously a lot of this work is done via the clubs initially.