Derry Senior Championship Thread 2024

Started by LoughNeagh, July 15, 2024, 11:36:40 AM

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Who is your favourite to win the 2024 Senior Championship

Glen
34 (49.3%)
Slaughtneil
8 (11.6%)
Magherafelt
14 (20.3%)
Newbridge
7 (10.1%)
Lavey
1 (1.4%)
Bellaghy
0 (0%)
Steelstown
0 (0%)
Dungiven
2 (2.9%)
Lavey
0 (0%)
Kilrea
0 (0%)
Ballinascreen
3 (4.3%)
Swatragh
0 (0%)
Loup
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 69

Gael-in-exile

Interested outsider here.
Shawshank im not sure if your last post is a comment or a complaint about the lack of club games for county players. And I'm not sure exactly how Derry club fixtures work. But surely the focus is on giving club players games while the county players get to play with the county.

shawshank

it was in response to 'thebigfullforward' post. Agree with the focus of giving club players games. The structure that was in place prior to the clubs crying and changing it to protect their own interests would have ensured the each game in the group system had jeopardy. Bottom two from each group playing off each other for championship relegation as well as top four going to quarterfinal.

Gael-in-exile

I've seen a few county boards struggle to provide 'jeopardy' in their championship when trying to marry it with a suitable amount of games for the players.
I'm not sure I have seen a county get it perfectly right yet...... and thus the reason why simple knock out in Tyrone is still lauded possibly

thebigfullforward

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 09, 2024, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.
So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

Yes, it also means that the county player only played 5 games for their club this season if you are four of the teams eliminated. If you get to the final the county player ha played a max of 8 games for his club
County players don't play any league games for the club? That's a bit crazy to me. What do players on the fringes of the county squad do for game time?

tbrick18

Quote from: Gael-in-exile on August 09, 2024, 12:59:21 PMI've seen a few county boards struggle to provide 'jeopardy' in their championship when trying to marry it with a suitable amount of games for the players.
I'm not sure I have seen a county get it perfectly right yet...... and thus the reason why simple knock out in Tyrone is still lauded possibly

Tyrone league is running flat out at the minute with most teams playing 2 league games a week.
I know they play starred games during the county season. From what I can make out, this means most teams have all their county players for the 2nd half of the league leading into championship. Downside is the volume of games over such a tight schedule.

shawshank

Pick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣

Gael-in-exile

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Pick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣
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Did Tyrone reintroduce an old competition this year in the earlier months that would've suited club only players?
I think how they have fixtured league is wrong but I do think the one chance championship fixture is why people look favourably at how they do it.
It wouldn't be my choice but I can see why some like it

lenny

Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 09, 2024, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.
So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

That's a third of the teams eliminated after the group games. Also the critics of this system don't seem to appreciate that there is still a substantial knockout element in this system with only one fewer round than in counties like Tyrone.

Mikhailov

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 06:37:31 PMPick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣

Pick up said strain and you would miss half the Derry championship 😉

shawshank

Jez our season just went up in smoke yesterday. Can't fathom what went wrong, pure car crash.

bannside

I think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

seanyb

Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

Most in Derry would have seen it coming, simply not the same calibre of players coming through like they did in the 90s/00's

Derry Man

#27
Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Newbridge Exile

Means nothing at this stage but important result for us tonight after the debacle of the semi final last year

toby47

Went to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.