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Title: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 09, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I don't think we have a thread where rules can be discussed and clarified, so here's one now.

I have a couple of rules myself I need clearing up...

- What's the situation regarding extra time? As far as I'm aware, a team down to 13 or 14 players, will have a full team for extra time. Are the players added to the 15 for ET, counted as part of their sub allocation?

Also, teams that have used their allocation of subs in normal time, how many extra subs do they get in ET?

- is a player allowed to fist the ball to himself? I noticed it happened in the Kerry Mayo replay. I didn't think this was allowed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 09, 2014, 12:52:31 PM
Good idea for a dedicated thread.

We should start with a read of this:

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part2.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part2.pdf)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: 5 Sams on September 09, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
Dunno about the ET and subs but there's no problem with a player fisting the ball to himself as long as it touches the ground before he regains possession. Thats what happened in the Kerry Mayo game when I think it was Crowley punched the ball ahead of himself and picked it up again after it bounced.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 09, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 09, 2014, 12:47:26 PM

- What's the situation regarding extra time? As far as I'm aware, a team down to 13 or 14 players, will have a full team for extra time. Are the players added to the 15 for ET, counted as part of their sub allocation?

Also, teams that have used their allocation of subs in normal time, how many extra subs do they get in ET?

2.6 Players in Extra Time
(a) Any fifteen players may start Extra Time,
except as provided for in (b) and (d) below.

(b) In an Inter-County Game, any fifteen players on
the List submitted to the Referee prior to the
game, except as provided for in (d) below, may
start Extra Time.

(c) The Referee shall be given a List of the 15
players starting Extra Time, or a Note clearly
indicating the changes made from that of
the finishing team in Normal Time. This List/
Note may be in single form but shall otherwise
comply with the provisions of Rule 2.5 - List of
Players.

(d) A player ordered off in any circumstance in
Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but
may be replaced.

(e) Substitutions/Temporary Substitutions shall
be allowed during the playing of Extra Time as
outlined in Rule 2.4(ii) and (iii).

(f) A Caution (Yellow Card) issued in Normal Time
shall carry over into Extra Time.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 09, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
Whats the rule for kickouts now that they are all taken from the 13? where do the outfeild players need to be? outside the 21 or outside the D or what? Every referee seems to inforce something different
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Correct
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 09, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Correct
Its just that ive seen players standing on the 21 directly in front of the keeper with their arms in the air and referees letting that go (even though they would only be 8m from the ball) whereas some referees insist on all players being outside the 'D' as well.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: screenexile on September 09, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 09, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Correct
Its just that ive seen players standing on the 21 directly in front of the keeper with their arms in the air and referees letting that go (even though they would only be 8m from the ball) whereas some referees insist on all players being outside the 'D' as well.

Good point! Why is the D there in the first place? Was it brought in as an exclusion zone for when keepers used to kick the ball from the 21?

Anyway if it's there we may as well use it and have lads stand outside it for kickouts!!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Penalties in Hurling and Football,  and Kickouts I thought.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 09, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Penalties in Hurling and Football,  and Kickouts I thought.

Correct, exclusion zone was brought in for penalties (and kickouts when they were on the 21).

In response to blewuporstuffed, I guess some referees use some discretion and don't bother holding the game up to move players back a few yards if they aren't going to interfere with the keeper's kickout. If they blocked the ball down I presume the attacker would be penalised.
I'm not saying thats correct as per the rule book, but I'd say that what some refs do.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnneycool on September 09, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 09, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Correct
Its just that ive seen players standing on the 21 directly in front of the keeper with their arms in the air and referees letting that go (even though they would only be 8m from the ball) whereas some referees insist on all players being outside the 'D' as well.

I know its slightly different, but I was once told by an intercouty referee (hurling) when I questioned him on why he gave a free against one of our lads for blocking a sideline cut was that he wasn't the required distance away from the ball. I pointed out he was standing directly beside his marker and he responded that if he'd have blocked it instead it would have been our free...
Not sure if he was using poetic license or not..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bailestil on September 09, 2014, 04:44:24 PM
Rule 1.2 Exception II
Any Player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground and may score by doing so.

I can safely say I've seen this hundreds of times, and blown up every single time.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rrhf on September 10, 2014, 06:58:47 AM
The paddy Russell rule.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 10, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: bailestil on September 09, 2014, 04:44:24 PM
Rule 1.2 Exception II
Any Player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground and may score by doing so.

I can safely say I've seen this hundreds of times, and blown up every single time.

In fairness, I've seen a few refs allow this (Correctly) - but the abuse they've gotten from the players/mentors & supporters who obviously didn't know this rule has been ridiculous!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 10, 2014, 12:42:03 PM
Has a referee ever ordered a penalty to be retaken for a goalkeeper advancing off his line?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on September 10, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
If a player attempts a fist pass to his goalie but it goes over his head straight into the net, is it a 45 or a goal?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: larryin89 on September 10, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Slightly off topic but still in line with the theme.

Cormac Reiley had an absolute stinker in semi final replay in a lot of peoples opinion. The usually outspoken godfather of  officialdom mr Pat ' i robbed mayo in 96' McNeaney has not commented on the performance . Is there a reason for this , is he obliged to comment on such a controversial performance ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 09, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 09, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Outside the 21 (and 13metres from the ball). But the ball must travel a distance of 13metres before it can be gathered by another player (on the defending team).

Where lots of people get confused is when the ball goes diagonally towards the sideline and travels more than 13metres, a player IS allowed to come inside the 21 to collect the ball provided he was outside the 21 when it was kicked.

I think i remember reading on here before that technically, by the letter of the law the goalkeeper could kick the ball to himself (and in theory dribble the length of the field) as long as he didn't pick it up!

Correct
Its just that ive seen players standing on the 21 directly in front of the keeper with their arms in the air and referees letting that go (even though they would only be 8m from the ball) whereas some referees insist on all players being outside the 'D' as well.

I know its slightly different, but I was once told by an intercouty referee (hurling) when I questioned him on why he gave a free against one of our lads for blocking a sideline cut was that he wasn't the required distance away from the ball. I pointed out he was standing directly beside his marker and he responded that if he'd have blocked it instead it would have been our free...
Not sure if he was using poetic license or not..

Both players need to be back the required distance,  the player who's not back the proper distance and 'fouls' the ball will be penalised against. Has been in a while in fairness, it used to be a hop ball back in the day? Anyways I make sure the feckers are right back and warn them accordingly. The amount of times I've heard he's too close ref!!! Feck off stop annoying me lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 10, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 10, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
If a player attempts a fist pass to his goalie but it goes over his head straight into the net, is it a 45 or a goal?

3.4 If a defending player plays the ball through his
own scoring space in any manner, this shall
count as a score.

Hope you're not a Ref blanket  :o
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: From the Bunker on September 10, 2014, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Slightly off topic but still in line with the theme.

Cormac Reiley had an absolute stinker in semi final replay in a lot of peoples opinion. The usually outspoken godfather of  officialdom mr Pat ' i robbed mayo in 96' McNeaney has not commented on the performance . Is there a reason for this , is he obliged to comment on such a controversial performance ?

Silence is golden. It's all about getting past the week after. Dublin losing to Donegal helped defer attention. The pitch intruder also deferred attention. Pat will keep his gob shut. Sure he can't say he had a stinker? Can he? The dogs on the street know we were shafted! Reilly had his agenda (what ever it was) and he seen it through. Kerry seen an opening and they like any grateful receiver said thank you very much. We'd have done the same given half a chance. Churning out the same lines about the Ref being grand, we had more hunger and We played better!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on September 11, 2014, 01:31:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 10, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
If a player attempts a fist pass to his goalie but it goes over his head straight into the net, is it a 45 or a goal?

3.4 If a defending player plays the ball through his
own scoring space in any manner, this shall
count as a score.

Hope you're not a Ref blanket  :o

No, for some reason I thought it was like a throw-in in soccer where if it goes into your own net it's a corner.


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 08:40:15 AM
Can anyone clarify the advantage rule?
Last week we had a very dubious application of the advantage rule (and it benefited us)
A long ball was played into one of our forwards, who was quite clearly being fouled, but the ball broke to our corner forward who was through one on one with the keeper, the ref quite rightly put his arm in the air for an advantage, our player took a shot at goal and the keeper got down and made a great save.The referee then brought play back for the original foul.
Surely this isnt the way the advantage rule was intended to be applied  ???
I would have thought as soon as the ball fell to our other forward in an advantageous position, that was the end of the advantage, regardless of whether he scored or not?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 11, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Advantage Rule:
When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

It's at the referee's discretion as to what he considers an advantage to be.

For me, if a foul is committed which is in a scoreable position then if the attacking team doesn't score within the 5 seconds (regardless of whether they have had a shot at goal or not) then the play should be called back for the free.
IMO, a scoreable free is more advantageous than a shot being saved by the goalkeeper. So therefore I would say the referee was correct in the example given by blewuporstuffed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 10:24:43 AM
It's interesting that the wording is such that the referee may end the advantage period inside the five seconds if an advantage has not occurred, but may not end it within the five seconds if an advantage has occurred.

So the referee must wait for five seconds to deem that an advantage has accrued but can deem that an advantage has not accrued in, say, 2 seconds.

That seems to mean that he can't consider it an advantage if, for instance, the team of the fouled player gets possession from the foul and end the advantage period. He must wait five seconds. In theory, the attacking team could have two shots back off the post and a great save from the keeper in that time and still get a free. 

It also means that if there's a subsequent foul within the five seconds, he can't start a new advantage, but must stop  for the original foul.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: haranguerer on September 11, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
There would need to be certainty of consistency between refs, but it had occurred to me that in an attackng position where a ref has signalled advantage, you should shoot for goal, no matter the angle, distance, etc, as the point would be secure from the free if you miss anyway. Refs dont like anyone being too smart though, so no doubt you'd lose your free no matter the precedents.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Down Follower on September 11, 2014, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 11, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
There would need to be certainty of consistency between refs, but it had occurred to me that in an attackng position where a ref has signalled advantage, you should shoot for goal, no matter the angle, distance, etc, as the point would be secure from the free if you miss anyway. Refs dont like anyone being too smart though, so no doubt you'd lose your free no matter the precedents.

I laughed at that one and can imagine a cocky wee corner forward with the coloured boots on trying a ridiculous shot over his shoulder with the weak foot thinking in his head - well I am guaranteed a free anyway!! Ref thinks knows rightly what he is at and plays on coz he was being too smart  ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 11, 2014, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 10:24:43 AM
It's interesting that the wording is such that the referee may end the advantage period inside the five seconds if an advantage has not occurred, but may not end it within the five seconds if an advantage has occurred.

So the referee must wait for five seconds to deem that an advantage has accrued but can deem that an advantage has not accrued in, say, 2 seconds.

That seems to mean that he can't consider it an advantage if, for instance, the team of the fouled player gets possession from the foul and end the advantage period. He must wait five seconds. In theory, the attacking team could have two shots back off the post and a great save from the keeper in that time and still get a free. 

It also means that if there's a subsequent foul within the five seconds, he can't start a new advantage, but must stop  for the original foul.

Hardy, I would agree with all you have said except the very last part. If there is a subsequent foul in a better position the ref shouldn't stop play for the original foul.  A free from the position of the latter foul is the advantage accrued.

I would also argue that the ref could give a new advantage and start another 5 seconds but we might need Pat McEnaney to clarify for us!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 11, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
There would need to be certainty of consistency between refs, but it had occurred to me that in an attackng position where a ref has signalled advantage, you should shoot for goal, no matter the angle, distance, etc, as the point would be secure from the free if you miss anyway. Refs dont like anyone being too smart though, so no doubt you'd lose your free no matter the precedents.

In all likelihood the ref is going to be behind you, so seeing an advantage signal could be difficult unless the refs now shout out that they're playing an advantage ala the rugby lads.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: passedit on September 11, 2014, 11:23:28 AM
Not sure the ref I saw on friday night is totally au fait with the advantage rule.

Defender pursuing attacker when a second attacker body checked the defender leaving the first attacker with a clear run on goal which he took full advantage of. Referee awarded the goal then jogged back up the pitch and black carded the body checker. Still trying to get my head round that one.

Also in a recent game same team awarded two fourteen yard frees for a push and a drag back in the large square. The referee's logic for these was that neither foul was 'Aggressive'.  :o
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 11, 2014, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 10:24:43 AM
It's interesting that the wording is such that the referee may end the advantage period inside the five seconds if an advantage has not occurred, but may not end it within the five seconds if an advantage has occurred.

So the referee must wait for five seconds to deem that an advantage has accrued but can deem that an advantage has not accrued in, say, 2 seconds.

That seems to mean that he can't consider it an advantage if, for instance, the team of the fouled player gets possession from the foul and end the advantage period. He must wait five seconds. In theory, the attacking team could have two shots back off the post and a great save from the keeper in that time and still get a free. 

It also means that if there's a subsequent foul within the five seconds, he can't start a new advantage, but must stop  for the original foul.

Hardy, I would agree with all you have said except the very last part. If there is a subsequent foul in a better position the ref shouldn't stop play for the original foul.  A free from the position of the latter foul is the advantage accrued.

That makes sense.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 11, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Advantage Rule:
When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

It's at the referee's discretion as to what he considers an advantage to be.

For me, if a foul is committed which is in a scoreable position then if the attacking team doesn't score within the 5 seconds (regardless of whether they have had a shot at goal or not) then the play should be called back for the free.
IMO, a scoreable free is more advantageous than a shot being saved by the goalkeeper. So therefore I would say the referee was correct in the example given by blewuporstuffed.
Yes but is an attacker being through one on one with the keeper not more advantageous than a free kick?Therefore the advantage has occurred?if he then chooses to take his point or go for goal (no matter what the out come) then that is up to the attacker.
As I said, we came out the right side of this one, but it just didnt seem right to me.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 11, 2014, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 11, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Advantage Rule:
When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

It's at the referee's discretion as to what he considers an advantage to be.

For me, if a foul is committed which is in a scoreable position then if the attacking team doesn't score within the 5 seconds (regardless of whether they have had a shot at goal or not) then the play should be called back for the free.
IMO, a scoreable free is more advantageous than a shot being saved by the goalkeeper. So therefore I would say the referee was correct in the example given by blewuporstuffed.
Yes but is an attacker being through one on one with the keeper not more advantageous than a free kick?Therefore the advantage has occurred?if he then chooses to take his point or go for goal (no matter what the out come) then that is up to the attacker.
As I said, we came out the right side of this one, but it just didnt seem right to me.

That's a valid argument blewuporstuffed. And the fact that it comes down to the referee's discretion always leads to inconsistencies.
However, I think that the attacker being through one on one is only an advantage if he's able to score it!!!!  :P
The 5 second part of the rule means that the referee has time to see if a REAL advantage has accrued. I should point out that I like this - it's similar to rugby, but with a more certain time limit!

The problem with the old advantage rule was that the decision had to be made pretty much instantaneously. So in your example above you'd have got the free in and most supporters (obviously not you!) would have blinded the ref for not giving an advantage and said he'd have scored a goal if the ref didn't blow the whistle! (or alternatively blinded him not not giving the free in!)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Just as an aside, it's amusing that it seems the majority of spectators don't have a clue about the advantage rule, as evidenced by the howling and booing every time an advantage fails to accrue and the ref calls play back for the free. People either didn't see the the original foul or have assumed he got away with and haven't noticed the referee's raised hand or, if they have, presume he's waving to his mates. Then when he blows apparently for no reason, they go crazy.   

What's not amusing, but annoying, is when paid commentators and overpaid "pundits" react the same way.

That's not to mention the bemusement when the umpires make the "Hawkeye" signal and the same clowns interpret it as the wide signal and then say Hawkeye overruled the umpire, whereupon the producer orders a close-up of the properly performing umpire in order to shame him before the nation.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 11, 2014, 01:05:24 PM
To be fair there are a few refs I know of here in Sligo that ruin around with an arm up in the air all the time, long bofre any advantage rule was thought of!!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 01:07:19 PM
Fascists!!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PAULD123 on September 11, 2014, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 11, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Advantage Rule:
When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

It's at the referee's discretion as to what he considers an advantage to be.

For me, if a foul is committed which is in a scoreable position then if the attacking team doesn't score within the 5 seconds (regardless of whether they have had a shot at goal or not) then the play should be called back for the free.
IMO, a scoreable free is more advantageous than a shot being saved by the goalkeeper. So therefore I would say the referee was correct in the example given by blewuporstuffed.
Yes but is an attacker being through one on one with the keeper not more advantageous than a free kick?Therefore the advantage has occurred?if he then chooses to take his point or go for goal (no matter what the out come) then that is up to the attacker.
As I said, we came out the right side of this one, but it just didnt seem right to me.

I disagree. Advantage is if you are in a better position because of continuing to play than you would have been if you had stopped for the original free.

Say a team gets a free inside their own 21, the ball is played quickly forward and the attacker gets a shot away within 5 seconds but misses. The free should not be called back, because even though he missed, the ball is now at the other end of the pitch which is about all you could really have hoped for from a deep defensive free.

But say instead an attacker is fouled on the 13m line dead centre. He slips the ball away as he is going down and his team mate blasts a shot wide. Clearly it is very much less advantageous to have a shot wide than a near certain 13m free scored. In this instance I would argue that anything less than a point scored during advantage play is not advantageous over the benefit of a simple free. The play should be called back for the free.

What is an advantage anyway? I say - Did the offended team gain a better position as a result of the advantage than they would have got from the free? And if you are fouled 13m out then yes, I do think the advantage rule effectively means that you are being allowed two shots at the sticks. Having a one-on-one with the keeper is in itself not an advantage, that's just what happened during advantage. Only after the advantage is at an end can a ref make a decision if the team would have been better off with the free and if it is the difference between one point scored and three points missed then it is definitely one point scored puts you in a better position!

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 12, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 11, 2014, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 11, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Advantage Rule:
When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

It's at the referee's discretion as to what he considers an advantage to be.

For me, if a foul is committed which is in a scoreable position then if the attacking team doesn't score within the 5 seconds (regardless of whether they have had a shot at goal or not) then the play should be called back for the free.
IMO, a scoreable free is more advantageous than a shot being saved by the goalkeeper. So therefore I would say the referee was correct in the example given by blewuporstuffed.
Yes but is an attacker being through one on one with the keeper not more advantageous than a free kick?Therefore the advantage has occurred?if he then chooses to take his point or go for goal (no matter what the out come) then that is up to the attacker.
As I said, we came out the right side of this one, but it just didnt seem right to me.

I disagree. Advantage is if you are in a better position because of continuing to play than you would have been if you had stopped for the original free.

Say a team gets a free inside their own 21, the ball is played quickly forward and the attacker gets a shot away within 5 seconds but misses. The free should not be called back, because even though he missed, the ball is now at the other end of the pitch which is about all you could really have hoped for from a deep defensive free.

But say instead an attacker is fouled on the 13m line dead centre. He slips the ball away as he is going down and his team mate blasts a shot wide. Clearly it is very much less advantageous to have a shot wide than a near certain 13m free scored. In this instance I would argue that anything less than a point scored during advantage play is not advantageous over the benefit of a simple free. The play should be called back for the free.

What is an advantage anyway? I say - Did the offended team gain a better position as a result of the advantage than they would have got from the free? And if you are fouled 13m out then yes, I do think the advantage rule effectively means that you are being allowed two shots at the sticks. Having a one-on-one with the keeper is in itself not an advantage, that's just what happened during advantage. Only after the advantage is at an end can a ref make a decision if the team would have been better off with the free and if it is the difference between one point scored and three points missed then it is definitely one point scored puts you in a better position!

This is exactly what I was trying to say! - You just explained it better!  :)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: haranguerer on September 12, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 11, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
There would need to be certainty of consistency between refs, but it had occurred to me that in an attackng position where a ref has signalled advantage, you should shoot for goal, no matter the angle, distance, etc, as the point would be secure from the free if you miss anyway. Refs dont like anyone being too smart though, so no doubt you'd lose your free no matter the precedents.

In all likelihood the ref is going to be behind you, so seeing an advantage signal could be difficult unless the refs now shout out that they're playing an advantage ala the rugby lads.

In all likelihood if you see a certain foul and are first onto the ball without hearing a whistle, it would be safe to assume there is advantage being played
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: haranguerer on September 12, 2014, 12:40:54 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 10, 2014, 12:42:03 PM
Has a referee ever ordered a penalty to be retaken for a goalkeeper advancing off his line?

Yes
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Are players meant to be outside the semicircle on the 21 when a kickout is being taken?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Are players meant to be outside the semicircle on the 21 when a kickout is being taken?

Anyone??
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 11:01:43 PM
No, Mac. The semi circle doesn't come into it. They must be outside the 20m line and more than 13m from the ball.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 11:04:52 PM
Cheers hardy

Always thought that was the purpose of that semicircle. If not, then is there a reason for it?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 11:07:20 PM
Defenders have to be outside it for kickouts i think??

Was wondering the same myself with donaghy and the goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 11:14:47 PM
It's just for penalties - all players but goalie and kicker have to be outside it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lynchbhoy on September 21, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
Not sure if the 'D' has been modified but it was incorrectly measuring the distance defenders had to be away from the ball at a penalty ( since the penalty spot has been moved forward from the 14 yard line/13 m line) but I don't think the GAA has redrawn the correct distance and new 'D' - they may have , I just haven't heard.

Donaghy was not 13m from the ball for durcans kickout.

The D defines the distance but he didn't have to be outside it. He however wasn't the requisite distance.
But durcan made a schoolboy error and shouldn't have kicked it!
Certainly not with Donaghy lurking so closely!!

Fair play for Donaghy being so alert though
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
He was at the same against mayo and we almost got caught only that the ref gave us an extremely soft free
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Yeah, watching him kick the ball away like that I couldn't help thinking that if I was playing against him and time was almost up, I'd take the red card.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 23, 2014, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
That sort of thing is something that should be added to the black card list, however, im not even sure that would be a deterant
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 23, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.

Niall Morgan says Stevie O'Neill practices that during Tyrone training sessions.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: larryin89 on September 23, 2014, 01:54:21 PM
There are one set of rules for Kerry and then there is the other counties who have to adhere to the ones in the rule book.  Pat  McAneany had a meeting with Eammon Fitz at the dub v Donegal semi final to explain the Kerry rules and had a meeting with Tomas O Se Aug weekend, both were pic with the Don of refs at croker for their meetings. 

Since the ''kerry'' meetings took place the usually outspoken Pat has stayed stum because in no way can he justify Cormac O Reillys display in limerick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
You need to stay on this one Larry.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: J OGorman on September 23, 2014, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
You need to stay on this one Larry.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

+1. Larry, yer like a wee dog let out in a big field. Go gettum
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 23, 2014, 03:05:10 PM

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 23, 2014, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.


Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
That sort of thing is something that should be added to the black card list, however, im not even sure that would be a deterant

Ah lads. Is there no room for a bit of comedy in the game?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: larryin89 on September 23, 2014, 03:35:53 PM
Why was pat pic with them ? Why has pat not reviewed the Limerick shambles of a refereeing job after such an outcry not only by the ordinary joe like myself but by tsg s Kevin mcstay on tsg?

What did Liam O Neill by '' if mayo know whats good for them , they'll just get on with it''? Whats good for us a low interest rate on a loan perhaps?

Look at Liam O fat face neills talk at the Kerry hotel on sunday night, are ye blinded, he just said '' my black card rule won the day cause the best footballers in Ireland Kerry won the sam maguire'' he said it with fooking gusto . The little fat bollix.

Of course you're laughing at lil old me with my little bitter bursts but if you examine the whole situation , there is surely an element of truth in what im saying
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnneycool on September 23, 2014, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 23, 2014, 03:35:53 PM
Why was pat pic with them ? Why has pat not reviewed the Limerick shambles of a refereeing job after such an outcry not only by the ordinary joe like myself but by tsg s Kevin mcstay on tsg?

What did Liam O Neill by '' if mayo know whats good for them , they'll just get on with it''? Whats good for us a low interest rate on a loan perhaps?

Look at Liam O fat face neills talk at the Kerry hotel on sunday night, are ye blinded, he just said '' my black card rule won the day cause the best footballers in Ireland Kerry won the sam maguire'' he said it with fooking gusto . The little fat bollix.

Of course you're laughing at lil old me with my little bitter bursts but if you examine the whole situation , there is surely an element of truth in what im saying

Aye that was a bit cringe alright, sour faced auld bollox is always on message no matter the occasion, only one black card dished out from the quarter finals on, not one bit of cynical play thereafter, yeah it worked a treat if you're one of the lesser lights.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: naka on September 23, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
thought it was a despicable act by keane
was not surprised that no mention was made of it on tv
wasn't surprised at no mention by pat about the reilly shambles in limerick either
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
thought it was a despicable act by keane
was not surprised that no mention was made of it on tv
wasn't surprised at no mention by pat about the reilly shambles in limerick either

All you'll hear from Spillane is we have the most AIs, we're team of the decade, aren't we a great county, everyone else plays puke football but not us. He's like a child. Why he's still in the media I'll never know.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
What's the rule on a player jumping into a tackle? Both feet were off the ground and he just jumped into a defender. I think it was Young or Keane did it. It resulted in a handy free for Keane. Might have been just before the goal.

It should have been a free out for charging should it not?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyroneman on September 23, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
What's the rule on a player jumping into a tackle? Both feet were off the ground and he just jumped into a defender. I think it was Young or Keane did it. It resulted in a handy free for Keane. Might have been just before the goal.

It should have been a free out for charging should it not?

Yip. In my book that's a free out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
Going back to the advantage rule if I may.

For me it's a nonsense how some referees are currently interpreting it. Getting a shot at goal from a better position than a free is by definition an advantage. If it goes wide or is saved that's neither here nor there. The advantage was the shot. If an attacker doesn't want that advantage then fine just stop and take the free.

The idea of waiting to see the outcome of a shot is ludicrous. The rule isn't there to give a team two bites at the cherry. It's there for stopping defending teams benefitting when they cheat and break the rules.

If the attacking team wins a free and takes immediately and miss it do they get another chance at the free? 

Also the idea of waiting the full 5 seconds to see if a score has occurred is rubbish what about a high hanging shot from distance taken 5 seconds after the foul. Is the ref supposed to guess where it's going to land? Ie given he's only allowed 5 seconds does he blow for the free in case it falls into the keepers hands or does he wait to see if it makes it over.

As I say it's usualy perfectly obvious which is more advantageous the shot or the free. A free shot at goal from a better angle or shorter distance is more advantageous than a long range. A shot from a tight angle or with multiple defenders around is not. Similarly a shot a goal is more advantageous than a 13m free.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 23, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
What's the rule on a player jumping into a tackle? Both feet were off the ground and he just jumped into a defender. I think it was Young or Keane did it. It resulted in a handy free for Keane. Might have been just before the goal.

It should have been a free out for charging should it not?

Yip. In my book that's a free out.
yeah i think it should be a free out, i dont know how the defenders in that situation could have done anything differently to avoid 'fouling' him, bar standing out of the way
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2014, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
Going back to the advantage rule if I may.

For me it's a nonsense how some referees are currently interpreting it. Getting a shot at goal from a better position than a free is by definition an advantage. If it goes wide or is saved that's neither here nor there. The advantage was the shot. If an attacker doesn't want that advantage then fine just stop and take the free.

The idea of waiting to see the outcome of a shot is ludicrous. The rule isn't there to give a team two bites at the cherry. It's there for stopping defending teams benefitting when they cheat and break the rules.

If the attacking team wins a free and takes immediately and miss it do they get another chance at the free? 

Also the idea of waiting the full 5 seconds to see if a score has occurred is rubbish what about a high hanging shot from distance taken 5 seconds after the foul. Is the ref supposed to guess where it's going to land? Ie given he's only allowed 5 seconds does he blow for the free in case it falls into the keepers hands or does he wait to see if it makes it over.

As I say it's usualy perfectly obvious which is more advantageous the shot or the free. A free shot at goal from a better angle or shorter distance is more advantageous than a long range. A shot from a tight angle or with multiple defenders around is not. Similarly a shot a goal is more advantageous than a 13m free.
This was exactly my point aswell., and in the example i gave, we were the benefactors of it, but if just didnt seem right to me.
IMO 9/10 when its in a scoring position , the referee should just blow the free, the only time he should allow the advantage is when the player gets away and is through on goal or has a very obviously easier shot at goal.
The advantage rule should only really be used more further out the feild, where the referee can let the play go on a bit more rather than stopping for a free. This is an advantage to teh time on the ball as it doesnt allow the defending team to purposely slow the game down by fouling.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on September 24, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
Going back to the advantage rule if I may.

For me it's a nonsense how some referees are currently interpreting it. Getting a shot at goal from a better position than a free is by definition an advantage. If it goes wide or is saved that's neither here nor there. The advantage was the shot. If an attacker doesn't want that advantage then fine just stop and take the free.

The idea of waiting to see the outcome of a shot is ludicrous. The rule isn't there to give a team two bites at the cherry. It's there for stopping defending teams benefitting when they cheat and break the rules.

If the attacking team wins a free and takes immediately and miss it do they get another chance at the free? 

Also the idea of waiting the full 5 seconds to see if a score has occurred is rubbish what about a high hanging shot from distance taken 5 seconds after the foul. Is the ref supposed to guess where it's going to land? Ie given he's only allowed 5 seconds does he blow for the free in case it falls into the keepers hands or does he wait to see if it makes it over.

As I say it's usualy perfectly obvious which is more advantageous the shot or the free. A free shot at goal from a better angle or shorter distance is more advantageous than a long range. A shot from a tight angle or with multiple defenders around is not. Similarly a shot a goal is more advantageous than a 13m free.

I would disagree with this. A point (presumably guaranteed from the 13m free) is better for the attacking team than a wide or a save (presuming the shot at goal was not scored).

Also, even under the old advantage rule, if the player got a shot at goal away as he was being fouled; if it went in the ref would allow the goal and if it didn't the ref would give the free in. The difference being that under the old rule the ref had to make the decision instantaneously whereas now he has 5 seconds to decide.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I like the way the refs are applying the advantage rule. It's very much like the advantage rule in rugby except that there is a definite length of time the advantage can be played. It benefits the attacking team and surely that's the whole purpose, i.e to punish the team who fouls!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PAULD123 on September 24, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
Going back to the advantage rule if I may.

For me it's a nonsense how some referees are currently interpreting it. Getting a shot at goal from a better position than a free is by definition an advantage. If it goes wide or is saved that's neither here nor there. The advantage was the shot. If an attacker doesn't want that advantage then fine just stop and take the free.

The idea of waiting to see the outcome of a shot is ludicrous. The rule isn't there to give a team two bites at the cherry. It's there for stopping defending teams benefitting when they cheat and break the rules.

If the attacking team wins a free and takes immediately and miss it do they get another chance at the free? 

Also the idea of waiting the full 5 seconds to see if a score has occurred is rubbish what about a high hanging shot from distance taken 5 seconds after the foul. Is the ref supposed to guess where it's going to land? Ie given he's only allowed 5 seconds does he blow for the free in case it falls into the keepers hands or does he wait to see if it makes it over.

As I say it's usualy perfectly obvious which is more advantageous the shot or the free. A free shot at goal from a better angle or shorter distance is more advantageous than a long range. A shot from a tight angle or with multiple defenders around is not. Similarly a shot a goal is more advantageous than a 13m free.

I disagree with you David. I agree with Westbound. The advantage is there to make sure a team is no worse off by getting a free or playing on. If you have a central 13m free then you are virtually guaranteed a point. The only thing more advantageous is an actual point (or goal). Having a shot at goal saved is less advantageous to the team than having a point. Therefore in final analysis no advantage occurred. So the free should be called back because after the snap shot is saved, as it is then clear it would have been better to have awarded the original free.

But think about it. An attacker is running clean-through on goal. He is fouled. What has happened is the defender is sacrificing a point for a goal chance. Clearly as a minimum the attacker deserves a simple free but he has still been cheated. So the advantage rule allows him to pass to teammate to have that goal chance. But by now it is a much worse goal chance than the clean-through attacker would have had. If you don't call back the free when the goal shot is saved then the cheater still wins. He denied a clear goal chance and the attacking team is told it is to their advantage to have a less good goal chance. That is self-contradictory.

Unless you allow the free to be called back then you are by definition being disadvantageous. If a defender cheats a player out a single shot then I see no problem is saying the advantage is in effect a free less good shot with a guaranteed free kick to come (just like in rugby)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Ok so am I right in thinking that you feel it should always be a free unless the ball has been put into the net or over the bar within 5 seconds so that even if a player is fouled takes 2 seconds to escape the foul another 3 seconds to advance towards goal and then shoots the free must come back because when the 5 seconds were up the ball hadn't yet been scored (even had it clearly been going in)?  To me thats a nonsense, the advantage is the shot if the attacking team don't want the advantage then simply don't take the shot.

Also the idea of giving a team two bites at the cherry should only encourage more effectively fouling to prevent that second opportunity.

Why is a team awarded two opportunities to score when advantage is played but not when a free is awarded?

The comparison to rugby I don't get either the relative value of a free in GAA v a penalty in rugby is completely different.  An average rugby match would have far fewer scoring opportunities than a GAA game so a similar advantage rule should not be applied.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: yellowcard on September 24, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
The biggest problem in gaelic football at the minute is the influence that a referee can have over the outcome of a match. I could pick out any given match and probably pull out at least 15 incidences where a referee could justify giving a decision either way yet at the same time he could just as easily justify not giving the same decision. Too many times the rules are applied based on the referees interpretation. Its a worse situation at club level where the referees are under less scrutiny, they are of a poorer standard and worst of all they are biased against one side.   
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PAULD123 on September 24, 2014, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 24, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Ok so am I right in thinking that you feel it should always be a free unless the ball has been put into the net or over the bar within 5 seconds so that even if a player is fouled takes 2 seconds to escape the foul another 3 seconds to advance towards goal and then shoots the free must come back because when the 5 seconds were up the ball hadn't yet been scored (even had it clearly been going in)?  To me thats a nonsense, the advantage is the shot if the attacking team don't want the advantage then simply don't take the shot.

Also the idea of giving a team two bites at the cherry should only encourage more effectively fouling to prevent that second opportunity.

Why is a team awarded two opportunities to score when advantage is played but not when a free is awarded?

The comparison to rugby I don't get either the relative value of a free in GAA v a penalty in rugby is completely different.  An average rugby match would have far fewer scoring opportunities than a GAA game so a similar advantage rule should not be applied.

Ok firstly, I certainly do think 5 seconds is way too long. 2-3 seconds is more than enough to decide on advantage. So I think we agree on that one.

I also think you make a good point about scores in rugby being harder to come by, but that doesn't change the fact that a point is always more advantageous than a miss.

If the defender fouls so absolutely that no advantage could ever occur then he will be getting a booking of black card. So fair enough, let them foul to that level if they want, they won't be doing it for long.

As for two opportunities - It is because they have been cheated out of a really good opportunity. If a defender wants to cheat a fella then he should be punished. Allowing only a less good chance is effectively rewarding the cheater. In the advantage play the attacking team should definitely be allowed a crack at the maximum and if that doesn't come off then be allowed to come back fro a crack at the minimum which is the minimum you desire for being hauled down 13m out.

It would be better and simpler to say that any free within 21m is always called back if no score is made in the following 2 seconds. Any free outside 21m depends solely on the chance to get a good possession/pass/shot away.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: yellowcard on September 24, 2014, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
thought it was a despicable act by keane
was not surprised that no mention was made of it on tv
wasn't surprised at no mention by pat about the reilly shambles in limerick either

It was on a par with Cavanagh pulling down McManus last year and yet it never got mentioned once by any of the pundits in the aftermath. He deserved a good thump but Durcan was still reeling from his own mistake earlier in the match. It's the hypocrisy that is baffling. I don't have much time for Cavanagh but if he had done what Keane done there would have been an outcry. Instead we are constantly fed a diet of garbage that the best footballers playing football in its purest form are Kerry footballers. Rubbish if you ask me.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on September 25, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2014, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
Keane kicked the ball away when Durcan went to take a kickout. He did similar in Limerick, throwing the spare balls away. Disgusting acts. There has to be a sterner punishment for this sort of behaviour.

Unsurprisingly I didnt hear them mention either on Sunday game either.
thought it was a despicable act by keane
was not surprised that no mention was made of it on tv
wasn't surprised at no mention by pat about the reilly shambles in limerick either

It was on a par with Cavanagh pulling down McManus last year

Ah come on now.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Asal Mor on September 25, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
It was worse than Cavanagh, who just did what he had to do. But I'd call it childish rather than disgusting. A fart sniffing fetish is disgusting.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: FermGael on November 09, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
Decided to go up to Owenbeg this afternoon and watch the Ulster Club games.
Two decisions by the referee puzzled me.
1. Slaughtneil defender was soloing out of defence with the ball. He bounced the ball and then lost control of the ball. He regained control by bouncing the ball one handed like a basketball player would and the referee gave a free against him for a double bounce. Was the referee correct?
2. Cavan Gaels player was tackled well and fisted the ball away.  The ball bounced once and the same player regained possession.  The referee played on. Was the referee correct ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Zulu on November 09, 2014, 09:08:59 PM
No to first one and yes to second question.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 10, 2014, 09:37:54 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 09, 2014, 09:08:59 PM
No to first one and yes to second question.

I actually think that the ref was right in the first time as well.  The rule about a 'controlling' bounce was implemented a few seasons ago if I recall.  The rule is pretty clear and unambiguous

4.6 To bounce the ball more than once
consecutively after catching it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: brianboru00 on November 10, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
You have to read the entire rule book

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.


and in the "important terms and  definitions" section:
1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught
the ball to play the ball against
the ground with his hand(s)
and to catch it on


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 10, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: brianboru00 on November 10, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
You have to read the entire rule book

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.


and in the "important terms and  definitions" section:
1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught
the ball to play the ball against
the ground with his hand(s)
and to catch it on


Fair enough,  I thought I read somewhere that this rule had been abolished
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: brianboru00 on November 10, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
not sure - I thought they had actually included a reference to basketball - but that may have been the clarification :
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/rules/Summary_of_Playing_Rule_changes_2010.pdf

The rule has been there for many years but the 2010 changes was clarifying this to give a clearer definition.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on November 10, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 10, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: brianboru00 on November 10, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
You have to read the entire rule book

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.


and in the "important terms and  definitions" section:
1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught
the ball to play the ball against
the ground with his hand(s)
and to catch it on


Fair enough,  I thought I read somewhere that this rule had been abolished

Always better to read the oul Treoir Oifigiúil
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 10, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
The basketball dribble is a great subvention of the "only one solo" training matches.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 10, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 10, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: brianboru00 on November 10, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
You have to read the entire rule book

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.


and in the "important terms and  definitions" section:
1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught
the ball to play the ball against
the ground with his hand(s)
and to catch it on


Fair enough,  I thought I read somewhere that this rule had been abolished

Always better to read the oul Treoir Oifigiúil

Is that not self contradictory? If the definition of a bounce includes catching it, how can a ball be bounced more than once in succession?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on November 10, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
And since a contradiction logically implies everything, nothing is forbidden in football. 
Title: Seo
Post by: drici on November 18, 2014, 09:55:29 AM
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24-week suspension for Donegal dual player after social media comment

Social media

BY CHRIS MCNULTY

IN what is believed to be the first case of its kind in Donegal GAA, a club player has been given a proposed 24-week suspension because of comments posted on social media.

Seán Mac Cumhaills' player David White, who plays football and hurling for the Twin Towns club, has been singled out over a comment following the Donegal SFC quarter-final between Ardara and Naomh Conaill.

In response to a message from the official Donegal GAA account which confirmed that the drawn quarter-final would be replayed that Wednesday night, White is understood to have posted a tweet that was critical of the decision not to play extra-time in the fixture.

The dual star is understood to have posted a similar message on Facebook and County Board chiefs have reacted by handing down the ban. It is likely that the sanction, believed by the relevant parties to be 'extremely excessive' will be appealed.

The decision to serve notice of a lengthy ban for social media comments will flash the alarm sirens around the county with club players' social media activity under scrutiny.

GAA members had been warned by the Donegal County Board in August of this year that they could face disciplinary action over comments made on social media websites.

The secretary of the Donegal Co Board, Aodh Mairtín Ó Fearraigh, also issued an email to club secretaries at that time urging them to make their members aware of the GAA's social media policies.

That letter outlined that all GAA members are encouraged to take part in social media but the Association expects each individual to follow the guidelines on using social media.

"I would ask all clubs to remind their members and players of the implications of referring to the GAA in social media when they do.

"Each member is to adhere to the GAA's Official Guide and Club Constitution, as well as other applicable documents. All GAA members are subject to the GAA Code of Behaviour when online, even when they are not acting on behalf of the Association."
http://donegalnews.com/2014/11/24-week-suspension-for-donegal-dual-player-after-social-media-comment/#sthash.DhRzShsT.mmvPYAuT.dpuf
Title: Re: Seo
Post by: orangeman on November 18, 2014, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: drici on November 18, 2014, 09:55:29 AM
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24-week suspension for Donegal dual player after social media comment

Social media

BY CHRIS MCNULTY

IN what is believed to be the first case of its kind in Donegal GAA, a club player has been given a proposed 24-week suspension because of comments posted on social media.

Seán Mac Cumhaills' player David White, who plays football and hurling for the Twin Towns club, has been singled out over a comment following the Donegal SFC quarter-final between Ardara and Naomh Conaill.

In response to a message from the official Donegal GAA account which confirmed that the drawn quarter-final would be replayed that Wednesday night, White is understood to have posted a tweet that was critical of the decision not to play extra-time in the fixture.

The dual star is understood to have posted a similar message on Facebook and County Board chiefs have reacted by handing down the ban. It is likely that the sanction, believed by the relevant parties to be 'extremely excessive' will be appealed.

The decision to serve notice of a lengthy ban for social media comments will flash the alarm sirens around the county with club players' social media activity under scrutiny.

GAA members had been warned by the Donegal County Board in August of this year that they could face disciplinary action over comments made on social media websites.

The secretary of the Donegal Co Board, Aodh Mairtín Ó Fearraigh, also issued an email to club secretaries at that time urging them to make their members aware of the GAA's social media policies.

That letter outlined that all GAA members are encouraged to take part in social media but the Association expects each individual to follow the guidelines on using social media.

"I would ask all clubs to remind their members and players of the implications of referring to the GAA in social media when they do.

"Each member is to adhere to the GAA's Official Guide and Club Constitution, as well as other applicable documents. All GAA members are subject to the GAA Code of Behaviour when online, even when they are not acting on behalf of the Association."
http://donegalnews.com/2014/11/24-week-suspension-for-donegal-dual-player-after-social-media-comment/#sthash.DhRzShsT.mmvPYAuT.dpuf

Slippery slope. Another stick to beat themselves with.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on November 18, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
A couple of rule related questions.
1. A forward is behind the goal line, in the net essentially. A long ball is kicked in (from play) and he moves out in front of the goalie, flicking the ball to the net. Goal or no goal?
2. Same situation but the goalie punches the attacker while he is still behind the goal line. What does the ref give (besides a red card)?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on November 18, 2014, 11:37:09 AM

1) Technically, if a player leaves the field of play he cannot reenter without permission from the referee. Free out.
2) Assuming the referee stops play to deal with the incident, play restarts with a free to the team in possession from which they cannot score
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 18, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
If a player remonstrates with a linesman over a lineball decision, does he get a yellow card?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 18, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
If a player remonstrates with a linesman over a lineball decision, does he get a yellow card?

Yes.

But if he is from Donegal and does it on Twitter he gets a 24 weeks ban.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: fiabhras gael on November 20, 2014, 05:59:47 PM
Anyone know what is the length of term a club chairman can stay in the seat
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Zulu on November 20, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
5 years for all position I think.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on April 08, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
In the game in Castlebar on Sunday, the Mayo crowd went mad when the Donegal back collected a kickout inside his own 21. Personally, I thought it was ok because he was outside the 21 when the ball was kicked and it's ok to move inside to collect.

On Mad West on the way home though, they said that the rule had been changed from the 21 to the 14 - can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
We played a game last year, and the ref was specific. You have to be outside 13 metres from the kick out when it is taken, but you could run into collect it. (Not like soccer where you have to touch it outside the box). So a kick out from the 13 metre line, factoring in the exclusion 'D' is basically outside the 20 metre line and the D.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:33:17 PM
Here's the rule

2.7 (a) When the ball is played over the endline by
the Team attacking that end, or after a score
is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the
ground from the 13m line and within the large
rectangle.
If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he
shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other
players, except the player taking the kick-out,
shall be outside the 20m line and 13m from
the ball, until it has been kicked.
The player taking a kick-out may kick the
ball more than once before any other player
touches it but may not take the ball into his
hands.
The ball shall travel 13m before being played
by another player of the defending team.


So therefore you could technically kick the ball 13 metres sideways (which is what our goalie did in that game) and as long as the defender was outside the 20 metre line at the time the ball was kicked, he could run in and get it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on April 08, 2015, 02:00:47 PM
Cheers AZ
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on April 26, 2015, 01:08:55 PM
Can a player take a sideline kick from the ground if he wishes?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on May 15, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
was just reading there on gaa.ie that:

'The ball used in Gaelic Football is round, slightly smaller than a soccer ball'.

I've played both sports pretty much all my life but I always thought both balls were the same size, with the A'Neils being heavier. Everyday's a school day
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 15, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:33:17 PM
Here's the rule

2.7 (a) When the ball is played over the endline by
the Team attacking that end, or after a score
is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the
ground from the 13m line and within the large
rectangle.
If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he
shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other
players, except the player taking the kick-out,
shall be outside the 20m line and 13m from
the ball, until it has been kicked.
The player taking a kick-out may kick the
ball more than once before any other player
touches it but may not take the ball into his
hands.
The ball shall travel 13m before being played
by another player of the defending team.


So therefore you could technically kick the ball 13 metres sideways (which is what our goalie did in that game) and as long as the defender was outside the 20 metre line at the time the ball was kicked, he could run in and get it.

Alternatively your full back could take the kick out backwards towards the goalkeeper,  so long as it traveled 13 m and the goalie started off in the small square and then the FB could take the return pass.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on May 15, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 20, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
5 years for all position I think.

That's a county level regulation only?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on May 15, 2015, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 15, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 20, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
5 years for all position I think.

That's a county level regulation only?

Yup
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on April 15, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
I was chatting to my nephew who plays U12 for a club in Dublin earlier and he's convinced that there's a rule against 1) using two hands to tackle the ball and 2) using anything other than the "near" hand to tackle (he wasn't able to explain what the "near" hand was when you're tackling front on, but anyway)

While I realise that both of these are good practice i.e. you're less likely to foul the playerl; I'm fairly certain that neither are actual rules. Can anyone confirm??
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on April 15, 2017, 11:31:41 PM
 ;D ;D

We did discuss that alright
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: John Martin on April 18, 2017, 12:39:46 PM
Does a goalkeeper have any sort of exemption from the foot block rule?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2017, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.
Check out the  'GAA for Dummies' book, if there is one,
until now I didn't think there was a need for one.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on April 21, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.

There's no rule against it. So if you did it and the ref blew it, it'd be interesting to hear his reason and what rule he was invoking.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rrhf on April 21, 2017, 01:22:26 PM
the ban on foreign sports
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: vallankumous on April 22, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on April 22, 2017, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 21, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.

There's no rule against it. So if you did it and the ref blew it, it'd be interesting to hear his reason and what rule he was invoking.

If that's the case, could a player be lifted up to sit/stand on the crossbar to prevent a winning point?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The Stallion on April 22, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
Are there any transgender players within the GAA? Do the GAA rules address gender fluidity at all?

I know there have been several high profile cases in other sports which caused controversy.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on April 22, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 22, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
Are there any transgender players within the GAA? Do the GAA rules address gender fluidity at all?

I know there have been several high profile cases in other sports which caused controversy.

I wonder then, if Northern counties will have to have a percentage of their starting 15 made up of such players, to fall in line with Fair Employment/Equality legislation?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 22, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.

Or how long will a player in possession stand absolutely still before a ref gives a free against him?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on April 22, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 22, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.

Or how long will a player in possession stand absolutely still before a ref gives a free against him?

So we're just pretending not to know the rules now
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 22, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 22, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.

Or how long will a player in possession stand absolutely still before a ref gives a free against him?

So we're just pretending not to know the rules now

From the "Important Terms and Definitions" part of the rulebook, in case anyone was wondering:

13. OVERCARRY
To take more than four steps while holding the ball in the hand(s).

14. OVERHOLD
To hold the ball longer than is required to take four steps.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 22, 2017, 11:11:37 PM
Could this thread be made a sticky?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: ONeill on April 23, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 22, 2017, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 21, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.

There's no rule against it. So if you did it and the ref blew it, it'd be interesting to hear his reason and what rule he was invoking.

If that's the case, could a player be lifted up to sit/stand on the crossbar to prevent a winning point?

Can't believe Jimmy McGuinness didn't try it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on April 23, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:54:44 PM
14. OVERHOLD
To hold the ball longer than is required to take four steps.

This is the type of shyte that make the Offical Guide a laugh. If you're standing still, the time to take four steps is infinity. If they mean the time required to take four steps if you weren't standing still, what sort of nonsense is that? If your imaginary steps (that you're not taking, remember) were running-flat-out steps, the time to take four of them might be 0.75 of a second. But the referee might be imagining walking steps, as the rules don't tell him otherwise. Four of those might take 3 seconds.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 23, 2017, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 22, 2017, 10:54:44 PM
14. OVERHOLD
To hold the ball longer than is required to take four steps.

This is the type of shyte that make the Offical Guide a laugh. If you're standing still, the time to take four steps is infinity. If they mean the time required to take four steps if you weren't standing still, what sort of nonsense is that? If your imaginary steps (that you're not taking, remember) were running-flat-out steps, the time to take four of them might be 0.75 of a second. But the referee might be imagining walking steps, as the rules don't tell him otherwise. Four of those might take 3 seconds.

Be a lot easier if they said 4 seconds...
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on April 23, 2017, 10:58:49 PM

You'd get a lot more than 4 steps in 4 seconds
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: ONeill on April 23, 2017, 11:00:23 PM
Not if you're playing in Omagh on a wet day.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on April 23, 2017, 11:54:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 22, 2017, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: Hardy on April 21, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Can you lift a team mate up to catch the ball, like in a line-out in rugby? Be deadly for the smallish Tyrone lads trying to get a mark.

There's no rule against it. So if you did it and the ref blew it, it'd be interesting to hear his reason and what rule he was invoking.

If that's the case, could a player be lifted up to sit/stand on the crossbar to prevent a winning point?
:)
Agreed, but why not have 3 players on the crossbar (strength permitting of course) just to be sure of stopping the ball before it crossed the bar, as it is not written in the rules (or the book of genesis) that we can't?
For that matter, there is no rule saying we can't shove the ball up the jersey, take 4 giant leaps and give birth to ball in a more advantageous location on the pitch.
Yes ref, what do you have to say about that?


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Just read Louth Meath report. Meath made a late change to their goalkeeper, and apparently that meant they'd used up one of their subs before the match had even started.

What's that all about then? Teams are forever making last minute changes and it doesn't count towards their sub allocation.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Just read Louth Meath report. Meath made a late change to their goalkeeper, and apparently that meant they'd used up one of their subs before the match had even started.

What's that all about then? Teams are forever making last minute changes and it doesn't count towards their sub allocation.
why was he in the goal getting his hat when the 2nd goal went in???
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 11:56:57 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Just read Louth Meath report. Meath made a late change to their goalkeeper, and apparently that meant they'd used up one of their subs before the match had even started.

What's that all about then? Teams are forever making last minute changes and it doesn't count towards their sub allocation.
why was he in the goal getting his hat when the 2nd goal went in???

Mis-read that, it wasn't the goalie, but half forward.

And yeah, that was a strange one. Was like Paddy Cullen blind-folded!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 06, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Just read Louth Meath report. Meath made a late change to their goalkeeper, and apparently that meant they'd used up one of their subs before the match had even started.

What's that all about then? Teams are forever making last minute changes and it doesn't count towards their sub allocation.

I believe if its after you've submitted the teams to the ref 30 mins before throw in you are locked in.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on June 06, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 06, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Just read Louth Meath report. Meath made a late change to their goalkeeper, and apparently that meant they'd used up one of their subs before the match had even started.

What's that all about then? Teams are forever making last minute changes and it doesn't count towards their sub allocation.

I believe if its after you've submitted the teams to the ref 30 mins before throw in you are locked in.

Yeah - I think it's a newish enough rule and only for intercounty iirc - within the last 3/4 years at Congress.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyroneman on June 10, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
One that you rarely see is the sideline ball being moved infield.

Pretty sure if the ref is being given cheek he can move the sideline kick onto the pitch playing area if it is more adventageous, just like he can move a normal free closer to goal.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 10, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 10, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
One that you rarely see is the sideline ball being moved infield.

Pretty sure if the ref is being given cheek he can move the sideline kick onto the pitch playing area if it is more adventageous, just like he can move a normal free closer to goal.

The ref did this on one occasion last week in the Down v Armagh game.  I remember thinking that it looked odd (as its not normally done)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Minus15 on June 13, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
It happened in one of the games in at the weekend there too, I always thought 'you couldn't move up a sideline ball'. Was this a myth or did the rule change at some point?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 21, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Blood subs...

I thought when the rule was introduced, the blood sub coming on had to wear a coloured armband signifying he was a blood sub?

Maybe someone could clarify.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 21, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
That was done originally alright.
However that was probably too transparent for the GAA and it had to be stopped.
Blood sub rule needs some tidying up.
As it is the Ref tells a lad to go off and a temporary sub comes on. It's up to his manager then how long to leave him on for and there seems to be no time limit which leaves it open to abuse.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: mrdeeds on June 21, 2017, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 13, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
It happened in one of the games in at the weekend there too, I always thought 'you couldn't move up a sideline ball'. Was this a myth or did the rule change at some point?

Think it used to be that it could be moved in field but not forward but rule amended to allow it to be moved towards oposition goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 22, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
I hear Jarlath's Rules Committee are bringing a tweak to the kick out before the Special Hurley Congress - that the ball has to go outside the 20m line.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 22, 2017, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
That was done originally alright.
However that was probably too transparent for the GAA and it had to be stopped.
Blood sub rule needs some tidying up.
As it is the Ref tells a lad to go off and a temporary sub comes on. It's up to his manager then how long to leave him on for and there seems to be no time limit which leaves it open to abuse.

Needs tidying indeed.

So, a player could get hurt and bloodied at same time, goes off to get blood sorted. While on sideline, he can't return due to injury, but blood sub stays on.

Can injured/bloody player just slink back to the bench hoping nobody noticed he's all cleaned up, and should be ready to return to play? Does anyone check that he returns immediately? Really then the team get away with using an extra sub?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2017, 03:20:01 PM
Because the ref initiates a blood sub, rather than the team, there is a loophole that can be exploited alright. But you'd want to be lucky that the ref orders a lad off that you don't mind losing :)

One of the other complications is that the returning player does NOT have to replace the lad that came on for him, and this would only count as one sub.

Example, Player A gets cut, and re calls for a sub, player B.

Player B has a stormer, but they want Player A to come back on. Player A returns for Player C.

So effectively Player A's return negates the blood sub, and Player B actually replaces Player C. It only counts as 1 sub.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

That was Harlequins against Leinster in a Heineken Cup Quarter Final. Nick Evans it was. They went so far as to cut him with a razor in the dressing room after to try and head off suspicion.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 22, 2017, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

Tomato ketchup would do the same trick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

That was Harlequins against Leinster in a Heineken Cup Quarter Final. Nick Evans it was. They went so far as to cut him with a razor in the dressing room after to try and head off suspicion.

That's the one. I have no doubt it is in our games as well. No reason to believe it isn't when we are already up to our neck in diving, drugs etc etc  :-\
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 23, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 10, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
One that you rarely see is the sideline ball being moved infield.

Pretty sure if the ref is being given cheek he can move the sideline kick onto the pitch playing area if it is more adventageous, just like he can move a normal free closer to goal.

In the Offaly replay there was something similar. After Heslin scored one of the late goals, Tommy McDaniels ran into the goal, retrieved the ball and kicked it straight into the stand. Referee brought the kickout forward the 13m and the keeper took it out of his hands. Fella operating the scoreboard thought the referee was giving a free out due to where and how the kickout was taken and promptly removed the goal from the scoreboard. This led to confusion in the stand and on the various media platforms until it reappeared without notice on the scoreboard 5 minutes later.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 23, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

That was Harlequins against Leinster in a Heineken Cup Quarter Final. Nick Evans it was. They went so far as to cut him with a razor in the dressing room after to try and head off suspicion.

I witnessed in a Tyrone senior championship game a few years ago, a player go down injured and the physio coming on to treat him, it was pretty obvious he wouldnt be able to continue and the team had already used their subs,so the physio hit him a box in the mouth to draw blood !!

Happened right in front of us,we couldnt believe it ;D ;D ;D.

That's the one. I have no doubt it is in our games as well. No reason to believe it isn't when we are already up to our neck in diving, drugs etc etc  :-\
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 23, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
Ah, that's Tyrone for ye!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PMG1 on June 23, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 23, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

That was Harlequins against Leinster in a Heineken Cup Quarter Final. Nick Evans it was. They went so far as to cut him with a razor in the dressing room after to try and head off suspicion.

I witnessed in a Tyrone senior championship game a few years ago, a player go down injured and the physio coming on to treat him, it was pretty obvious he wouldnt be able to continue and the team had already used their subs,so the physio hit him a box in the mouth to draw blood !!

Happened right in front of us,we couldnt believe it ;D ;D ;D.

That's the one. I have no doubt it is in our games as well. No reason to believe it isn't when we are already up to our neck in diving, drugs etc etc  :-\
I remember that incident well,  think there was actually red sauce used, was laughable but they went on to won the game
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tonto1888 on July 09, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
Going to use roscommons second goal as an example but there's plenty. How many steps can you take? Do refs just ignore it at times?? Or have I missed a rule change?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
I'm confused (common enough) on the difference between a legal 2 /3 man tackle and an illegal one.
Oft times I see almost exactly the same scenario being played out, a player on the ball receiving slaps/blows from 2 or more players simultaneoulsly, sometimes the foul is given, sometimes not.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:56:18 PM
You're only allowed play the ball so if any of the three defenders hit Donaghy rather than the ball it was a free, though I know that's not really how it's reffed. Thought it was a free myself.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 03:38:28 PM
You wouldn't mind (within reason) contact from one tackler in an attempt to get the ball, happens all the time,  but 2/3  players flaying away simulaneoulsy with arms and hands  is a clear foul.  I thought the interpretation was back in the day of the swarm, that there could only be one active while others can swarm around, blocking.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hardy on August 02, 2017, 01:39:56 PM
There's nothing in the rules (never was, I'm fairly sure) about the number of players who can tackle and I don't remember any interpretation of rules that considered the number of payers involved.

I think it's one of those mythical rules that were imagined into existence by force of erroneous reference, like rolling ball, you can't tackle the goalkeeper, etc.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Esmarelda on August 02, 2017, 02:47:47 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 09, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
Going to use roscommons second goal as an example but there's plenty. How many steps can you take? Do refs just ignore it at times?? Or have I missed a rule change?
No, but  you've missed a full thread on the subject.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on August 02, 2017, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 02, 2017, 01:39:56 PM
There's nothing in the rules (never was, I'm fairly sure) about the number of players who can tackle and I don't remember any interpretation of rules that considered the number of payers involved.

I think it's one of those mythical rules that were imagined into existence by force of erroneous reference, like rolling ball, you can't tackle the goalkeeper, etc.

Correcto (2 turns ref!)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on August 02, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
"The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the rules of fair play. A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent, but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping, arm-holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden."

My point is there is leeway for one player to tackle and make body contact at the same time but when you have 2 and 3 doing it at the same time, flaying arms in unison, then imo that's a foul.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on August 03, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
"The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the rules of fair play. A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent, but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping, arm-holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden."

My point is there is leeway for one player to tackle and make body contact at the same time but when you have 2 and 3 doing it at the same time, flaying arms in unison, then imo that's a foul.

That tackle definition isn't fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on August 03, 2017, 11:21:10 AM
What are "the rules of fair play"?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on August 03, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 03, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
"The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the rules of fair play. A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent, but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping, arm-holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden."

My point is there is leeway for one player to tackle and make body contact at the same time but when you have 2 and 3 doing it at the same time, flaying arms in unison, then imo that's a foul.

That tackle definition isn't fit for purpose.
who said it was fit for purpose, but it's a standard not a gospel.
Slapping, punching, pushing within limits is allowed when you have one tackler doing it, but 2 or 3  slapping, punching, pushing  at the same time? is that fit for purpose?

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on September 30, 2017, 11:16:20 PM
Heard on the news that a rule about kickouts having to go outside the 21 got approved at Congress today. Didn't even realise this was up for discussion. Big enough change and will definitely have an effect next year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Anything that encourages the ball being kicked forward is to be welcomed.
This was signalled from way back but in typical GAA world fashion no one notices till it's passed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 01, 2017, 01:39:56 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 30, 2017, 11:16:20 PM
Heard on the news that a rule about kickouts having to go outside the 21 got approved at Congress today. Didn't even realise this was up for discussion. Big enough change and will definitely have an effect next year
Good move. Along with the mark it should ensure more high fielding.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on October 02, 2017, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Anything that encourages the ball being kicked forward is to be welcomed.
This was signalled from way back but in typical GAA world fashion no one notices till it's passed.

Fair enough it was presumably signalled but I didn't hear it discussed on any podcasts or papers. Or even on here, was it discussed? Overall, I think it's likely to be positive but it definitely came in under the radar
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on February 02, 2018, 11:16:25 PM
Apologies if discussed previously.

So, up to the third black card, player can be replaced.

Does a team get an additional black card sub, if the game goes to extra time?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 20, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Who sets the rules for free-kick shootouts after extra time?

Mullahoran and Banagher had to participate at the weekend, and both management said they weren't  in favour. Just wondered if it was ulster council or gaa hq who set the rules of this?

What would have been the penalty if both teams had have refused to take part in the shootout?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on November 20, 2018, 08:48:15 PM
I'd imagine it's HQ  finish on the day and all that.
Would both  clubs be disqualified?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 20, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Who sets the rules for free-kick shootouts after extra time?

Mullahoran and Banagher had to participate at the weekend, and both management said they weren't  in favour. Just wondered if it was ulster council or gaa hq who set the rules of this?

What would have been the penalty if both teams had have refused to take part in the shootout?


I'd imagine St Endas would have been crowned champions, it's not like that's the first time it's happened, the players managers and club officials would have known long beforehand, emails or even meetings in some cases are held and club secretary is informed of times regulations on subs water carriers and so.. the place to object is before the match!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 20, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Fair enough so.

Still, a shitty way to decide a match.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 20, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Fair enough so.

Still, a shitty way to decide a match.

Rotten, and I'd only use the method if the other game is 7 days away, if there is a 2 week gap then play the game on the Wednesday night to a finish then.. it needs to be looked at but time constraints can upset the other team having to wait and extra week sitting on their hands
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:44:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground

it caught me twice this year, once at the weekend during a uni game. I said to the lad, he didn't complete the mark, therefore he can't keep possession. The opposition player came in and claimed possession, but because the fella who dropped its team were down a bucketful, i threw the ball up.

It's not in the mark rule guidelines by the GAA
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground

No that is not a mark, the catch has to be done without the ball touching any other player. The player who eventually marks the ball can juggle with it as long as he wants as long it doesnt touch another player
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground

No that is not a mark, the catch has to be done without the ball touching any other player. The player who eventually marks the ball can juggle with it as long as he wants as long it doesnt touch another player

That's a hard call when three players go for a ball there are hands on that ball by 3 players, even though a player 'catches' it!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground

No that is not a mark, the catch has to be done without the ball touching any other player. The player who eventually marks the ball can juggle with it as long as he wants as long it doesnt touch another player

That's a hard call when three players go for a ball there are hands on that ball by 3 players, even though a player 'catches' it!

What would you do with my predicament?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 20, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
A fella goes to catch the ball

He has it, ref blows whistle, and somehow he drops it

what would the referee do?

He has to be in possession when he lands on his feet.

One that gets me and I'll be honest, if the ball is kicked out and one lad goes for a catch comes off his hands and it's wrestled away into another players hands before he lands is it a mark?

The ball during the ping pong moment hasn't touched the ground

No that is not a mark, the catch has to be done without the ball touching any other player. The player who eventually marks the ball can juggle with it as long as he wants as long it doesnt touch another player

That's a hard call when three players go for a ball there are hands on that ball by 3 players, even though a player 'catches' it!

What would you do with my predicament?

If you blow your whistle for the mark then stand over it, but delay your next call until you're sure  :)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on November 21, 2018, 07:27:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 11:08:46 PM


If you blow your whistle for the mark then stand over it, but delay your next call until you're sure  :)

Seen it at club level in Dublin 4 or 5 times this year. A player looks like he's claiming a mark, the ref blows the whistle and simultaneously the players drops the ball before completing the catch. In all those cases, the ref gave the mark. I think rightly so. The whistle signals the completion of the mark (rightly or wrongly!). And perhaps in some of those cases the player might have argued that the whistle blowing jolted his concentration resulting in the ball dropping.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on November 21, 2018, 09:04:55 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 21, 2018, 07:27:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2018, 11:08:46 PM


If you blow your whistle for the mark then stand over it, but delay your next call until you're sure  :)

Seen it at club level in Dublin 4 or 5 times this year. A player looks like he's claiming a mark, the ref blows the whistle and simultaneously the players drops the ball before completing the catch. In all those cases, the ref gave the mark. I think rightly so. The whistle signals the completion of the mark (rightly or wrongly!). And perhaps in some of those cases the player might have argued that the whistle blowing jolted his concentration resulting in the ball dropping.

Agreed. Refs can make wrong calls  :o but once it is made it is made.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 21, 2018, 12:04:50 PM
Reading an article about Weeshie Fogarty.

Apparently as a referee, he gave out the first yellow card when the GAA trialled yellow/reds in 1979. Makes you wonder why on earth it wasn't continued?! It's a no brainer!

Then again, Tyrone might have beat Dublin in 1995 had Charlie been on the sideline like he should have been. Every cloud, and all that...
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Manning18 on November 21, 2018, 05:36:19 PM
Little off topic but we've no hurling threads to go to really. Changing the ball from white to yellow for visibility, as tennis did back in the day.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/gaa-set-to-standardise-yellow-sliotar-after-fenway-classic-37552182.html

Can see a bit of a kick back on this from the odd person, a hurler mentioned just the week past watching the Fenway that different colored balls annoyed him. We'd always have had the odd luminous orange one lying around training and i did find it strange, certainly moreso than the yellow "floodlight football" but probably something you'd get used to.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on May 03, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
Does anyone know the official rule for kickouts. Seems to be in club games that referees interrupt the rules different from each other. Our keeper says that the ball can be kicked from the 14 yard line and as long as it travels outside the 21 yard line it is legal even if they are standing inside the D. A ref blew it up as a hopball in our game tonight. who is right?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Walt Jabsco on May 03, 2019, 10:41:36 PM
Here is the rule regarding kick outs.
Question - Did the ball travel more than 13 m

2.7 (a) When the ball is played over the endline by
the Team attacking that end, or after a score
is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the
ground from the 13m line and within the large
rectangle.
If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he
shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other
players, except the player taking the kick-out,
shall be outside the 20m line and 13m from the
ball, until it has been kicked.
The player taking a kick-out may kick the
ball more than once before any other player
touches it but may not take the ball into his
hands.
The ball shall travel 13m before being played
by another player of the defending team
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on May 03, 2019, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on May 03, 2019, 10:41:36 PM
Here is the rule regarding kick outs.
Question - Did the ball travel more than 13 m
How is the referee meant to know how far 13m is? Should the semi circle be remarked on each pitch as a 13m radius from the 14 yard line then there is a definate region that you cannot be allowed in
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Walt Jabsco on May 03, 2019, 11:18:15 PM
The semi circle was introduced to ensure that all players were 13 metres from the player taking a penalty.It has no relevance regarding a kick out presently but in the past when kick outs were taken at different points whether it be a wide or a score it had relevance. With the kick out from the 13 m line after a wide or a score it done away with this requirement
You asked how does a referee know how they know if a ball has traveled 13m.  The same way he/she makes a judgement if a player is too close to a player taking a sideline or a free - it is a judgement call.

The introduction of the semi circle by a rules revision committee some years back who thought it would be  a good idea but there was a knock on effect on the existing rules in force at that time for both football and hurling and had to be revised. This is something I feel Rules Revision Committees do not take into consideration - the consequences of proposed rule changes and how it affects other rules.     
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Stall the Bailer on May 03, 2019, 11:48:03 PM
You are actually 22m from a penalty taker now when outside the D, as the penalty was moved in 2m from the 13m line where it used to be. Even though the kick out and penalty positions have changed, the exclusion zone hasn't
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 11:54:51 PM
So the player taking the kick out can tap  it 5 or 6 metres and then kick it again?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on May 04, 2019, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 11:54:51 PM
So the player taking the kick out can tap  it 5 or 6 metres and then kick it again?

Technically yes, but there is nothing to stop an attacker tackling him after he taps it the first time!

In theory the player taking the kickout could 'dribble' it all the way to the far end of the pitch (if not opponent bothered to tackle him!)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Becomes a free
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Becomes a free
Thats what i thought but our referee tonight blew a player up for standing over the line
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 10, 2019, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Can you bring a sideline closer to the opposition goals? News to me
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Becomes a free
Thats what i thought but our referee tonight blew a player up for standing over the line
But if it's brought 14m closer to the goal, the kick shouldn't be anywhere near the sideline.
That's the way it happens in Dublin club football anyway. Never seen it brought forward by just moving down the line.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
If a team has a sideline ball, and the opposition stop them from taking it quickly and its moved up 10 yards or so, does it still stay as a sideline or does it become a free kick?
Becomes a free
Thats what i thought but our referee tonight blew a player up for standing over the line
But if it's brought 14m closer to the goal, the kick shouldn't be anywhere near the sideline.
That's the way it happens in Dublin club football anyway. Never seen it brought forward by just moving down the line.
he just moved it down the line 10 yards and our player kicked it about 2 yards onto the pitch. He's a pretty shit ref so im not surprised he doesnt know the rules
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on June 11, 2019, 05:55:58 AM

Jesus lads. Pet hate alert...

If we are measuring distance for Gaelic football in terms of moving the ball up, how far a free travels, etc. Its 14 yards or 13 metres.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Tyrdub on June 11, 2019, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 11, 2019, 05:55:58 AM

Jesus lads. Pet hate alert...

If we are measuring distance for Gaelic football in terms of moving the ball up, how far a free travels, etc. Its 14 yards or 13 metres.

13m
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on June 14, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
Reffed a game last night and got a bit of dogs abuse from both teams. Retired to the bar after and met some of players. Being in Britain we're closely knit so you know them all and we all frequent same local.

"Je lad you were not good today " came the call from a few boys from both teams.

"Fair enough", I said "what did I do wrong?"

One boy said

"Them two high tackles should have been black cards"

I replied "a high tackle is not a black card, I gave two yellows to their men as it didn't warrant a red"

He continued

" what about the the hop ball you give when we had the free?"

I responded " yes you won free, but your man gave a sly dig with elbow. I was standing 5 metres away whilst you were 50 meters away".

He went on "why did you gave their team a free after everyone starting pushing each other?"

I came back at him "when the player in your team tried and boot the ball off the other mans head, the ball ended up going to the opposition team anyway. A schomzzle broke out. I stopped play to deal with it. The other team were in possession of ball so I gave them possession from the restart."

Another player, "why did you give the hop ball from the lockout?"

"Because it didn't go 13 metre"

" it if cross the line"

"It did, but still needs to travel 13m".



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Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on June 14, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 14, 2019, 08:28:48 AM
They're right though. You're a w4nker.

He didn't say I was a w**ker
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyHarp on June 14, 2019, 09:08:50 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 14, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
Reffed a game last night and got a bit of dogs abuse from both teams. Retired to the bar after and met some of players. Being in Britain we're closely knit so you know them all and we all frequent same local.

"Je lad you were not good today " came the call from a few boys from both teams.

"Fair enough", I said "what did I do wrong?"

One boy said

"Them two high tackles should have been black cards"

I replied "a high tackle is not a black card, I gave two yellows to their men as it didn't warrant a red"

He continued

" what about the the hop ball you give when we had the free?"

I responded " yes you won free, but your man gave a sly dig with elbow. I was standing 5 metres away whilst you were 50 meters away".

He went on "why did you gave their team a free after everyone starting pushing each other?"

I came back at him "when the player in your team tried and boot the ball off the other mans head, the ball ended up going to the opposition team anyway. A schomzzle broke out. I stopped play to deal with it. The other team were in possession of ball so I gave them possession from the restart."

Another player, "why did you give the hop ball from the lockout?"

"Because it didn't go 13 metre"

" it if cross the line"

"It did, but still needs to travel 13m".



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The problem is that people have their own blinkered version of the rules. It's a tough enough job in Ireland - its a bloody awful job over here. Keep up the good work fella.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2019, 12:50:43 AM
The amount of wankers that don't know the rules!

I'd a referee from a local club pull me during a kids tournament to say it's a hop ball if a player touches it before the required distance! A proper balloon who would give the rest of the refs a bad name!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on June 15, 2019, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2019, 12:50:43 AM
The amount of w**kers that don't know the rules!

I'd a referee from a local club pull me during a kids tournament to say it's a hop ball if a player touches it before the required distance! A proper balloon who would give the rest of the refs a bad name!

That's the issue - people don't have a clue about the rules - not a clue.

At an All Ireland hurling semi-final a couple of yesrs ago. Somebody behind me shouted, 'That's a black card'...omg.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on June 15, 2019, 10:52:17 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2019, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2019, 12:50:43 AM
The amount of w**kers that don't know the rules!

I'd a referee from a local club pull me during a kids tournament to say it's a hop ball if a player touches it before the required distance! A proper balloon who would give the rest of the refs a bad name!

That's the issue - people don't have a clue about the rules - not a clue.

At an All Ireland hurling semi-final a couple of yesrs ago. Somebody behind me shouted, 'That's a black card'...omg.


Got this chucked at me in a ladies game too ffs
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
Can anyone tell me if Clifford fouls the ball here?

He takes possession and hops the ball. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces. I would have thought this would be similar to handpassing the ball over someone's head and catching it.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 26, 2019, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
Can anyone tell me if Clifford fouls the ball here?

He takes possession and hops the ball. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces. I would have thought this would be similar to handpassing the ball over someone's head and catching it.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929)

Never took possession after the first (only) hop?

His mind appears at a different level, foul or not, though.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 26, 2019, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
Can anyone tell me if Clifford fouls the ball here?

He takes possession and hops the ball. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces. I would have thought this would be similar to handpassing the ball over someone's head and catching it.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929)

Never took possession after the first (only) hop?

His mind appears at a different level, foul or not, though.

I don't deny it was a great piece of quick thinking (or instinct, I suppose). Kindof reminded me of the AFL goal of the season from Jack Higgins last year where he handballed the ball and ran around the post to kick it in.


https://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-07-28/is-this-goal-of-the-year (https://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-07-28/is-this-goal-of-the-year)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2019, 07:42:27 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 26, 2019, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
Can anyone tell me if Clifford fouls the ball here?

He takes possession and hops the ball. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces. I would have thought this would be similar to handpassing the ball over someone's head and catching it.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929)

Never took possession after the first (only) hop?

His mind appears at a different level, foul or not, though.

It could be seen as, he hopped the ball then he slipped so lost control  and flicked it over his head and played on, or a ref would have been just as right to call it as a throw and catch before the ball either touched the ground or a player
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on June 26, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.
With a foul being called, can a player in possession of the ball, hop the ball and instead of catching the ball on the rebound, decide to fist it over an opponent's head, run around and repossess the ball?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on June 26, 2019, 01:18:16 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.

+1.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 26, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.
With a foul being called, can a player in possession of the ball, hop the ball and instead of catching the ball on the rebound, decide to fist it over an opponent's head, run around and repossess the ball?

That is perfectly legal
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on June 26, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
If he had hand passed the ball over the opponent, it would have to bounce . But it was a open handed flick ! So I presume its ok
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 26, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
Can a player stand on the crossbar to stop a free kick going over the bar? Or stand on another players shoulder?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
Can a player stand on the crossbar to stop a free kick going over the bar? Or stand on another players shoulder?

Players (namely goalkeepers) can't interfere with the goal posts during an opponents free, yellow card.

Not sure on the other one though I'd say that's it's dangerous so the ref would stop it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.

That's part of the problem, though. Understanding the rules. There is too much room for interpretation.

Clifford here isn't juggling the ball trying to gain control. He is in control the entire time. He flicks the ball up over the defenders head and catches it before it hits the ground.

If this was out the field and a player, running towards another player, did the same it would be blown up (imo)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.

That's part of the problem, though. Understanding the rules. There is too much room for interpretation.

Clifford here isn't juggling the ball trying to gain control. He is in control the entire time. He flicks the ball up over the defenders head and catches it before it hits the ground.

If this was out the field and a player, running towards another player, did the same it would be blown up (imo)

Could be looked at this way, he slipped gain control quickly and flicked it over head and gained possession.

Either way it's down to the refs interpretation of what happened at that split second, 20 refs would be split down the middle on that one, I guarantee that one will be used at a refs meeting next year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 27, 2019, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.

That's part of the problem, though. Understanding the rules. There is too much room for interpretation.

Clifford here isn't juggling the ball trying to gain control. He is in control the entire time. He flicks the ball up over the defenders head and catches it before it hits the ground.

If this was out the field and a player, running towards another player, did the same it would be blown up (imo)

Could be looked at this way, he slipped gain control quickly and flicked it over head and gained possession.

Either way it's down to the refs interpretation of what happened at that split second, 20 refs would be split down the middle on that one, I guarantee that one will be used at a refs meeting next year

Agree with what you are saying - it could be interpreted that way. I don't think that's what happened though

I think it's not as clear cut as "There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford."
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on June 27, 2019, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 26, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2019, 08:17:42 AM

There's no way anyone who understands the rules could call a foul on clifford.
With a foul being called, can a player in possession of the ball, hop the ball and instead of catching the ball on the rebound, decide to fist it over an opponent's head, run around and repossess the ball?

That is perfectly legal
Thanks, though  i meant to write 'without a foul being called', the answer still fits he question.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 08:25:13 AM
I thought the Clifford incident was a foul. You aren't allowed to transfer the possession of the ball from one hand to another unless both hands are on the ball simultaneously I thought.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 09:10:53 AM

No, Clifford is not in possession or control of the ball at the instant he flicks it over the defender's head. The ball has been bounced but possession is not regained - it's in the air.

In the same way that he could score a goal with that action whereas he couldn't if he was in control of the ball
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on June 27, 2019, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 09:10:53 AM

No, Clifford is not in possession or control of the ball at the instant he flicks it over the defender's head. The ball has been bounced but possession is not regained - it's in the air.

In the same way that he could score a goal with that action whereas he couldn't if he was in control of the ball

Correct. I didn't think this was so difficult.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 09:10:53 AM

No, Clifford is not in possession or control of the ball at the instant he flicks it over the defender's head. The ball has been bounced but possession is not regained - it's in the air.

In the same way that he could score a goal with that action whereas he couldn't if he was in control of the ball

I'm going to completely disagree here in respect of a goal. Clifford has possession of the ball. Bounces it but doesn't lose possession therefore he retains possession in the split second before flicking it over the head and catching it with his other hand. If you were correct then all you had to do score a fisted goal is bounce the ball and punch it as it comes back up.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Harold Disgracey on June 27, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
Can a player stand on the crossbar to stop a free kick going over the bar? Or stand on another players shoulder?

Didn't McGeeney lift Andrew McCann in the air in a vain attempt to block Maurice Fitzgerald's late free in the drawn 2000 semi?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2019, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 27, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
Can a player stand on the crossbar to stop a free kick going over the bar? Or stand on another players shoulder?

Didn't McGeeney lift Andrew McCann in the air in a vain attempt to block Maurice Fitzgerald's late free in the drawn 2000 semi?

Yes I had that in mind when asking that question.

Just wondered if he had have stood on his shoulders, and he blocked the ball, would it have been allowed?

Or if two or three players created a set of stairs for another player(s) to run up them, and get high into the air to block the kick. I mean, as long as he/they was far enough away from the kicker, why wouldn't that be allowed?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 09:10:53 AM

No, Clifford is not in possession or control of the ball at the instant he flicks it over the defender's head. The ball has been bounced but possession is not regained - it's in the air.

In the same way that he could score a goal with that action whereas he couldn't if he was in control of the ball

I'm going to completely disagree here in respect of a goal. Clifford has possession of the ball. Bounces it but doesn't lose possession therefore he retains possession in the split second before flicking it over the head and catching it with his other hand. If you were correct then all you had to do score a fisted goal is bounce the ball and punch it as it comes back up.

Correct - that would be a legitimate goal. Who would risk the timing and variances of a bounce when bearing down on a keeper?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2019, 09:10:53 AM

No, Clifford is not in possession or control of the ball at the instant he flicks it over the defender's head. The ball has been bounced but possession is not regained - it's in the air.

In the same way that he could score a goal with that action whereas he couldn't if he was in control of the ball

I'm going to completely disagree here in respect of a goal. Clifford has possession of the ball. Bounces it but doesn't lose possession therefore he retains possession in the split second before flicking it over the head and catching it with his other hand. If you were correct then all you had to do score a fisted goal is bounce the ball and punch it as it comes back up.

Correct - that would be a legitimate goal. Who would risk the timing and variances of a bounce when bearing down on a keeper?

I disagree you remain in possession of the ball when bouncing it. Playing rule 1 states:

When a player is in possession of the ball, it may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toe- tapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

Playing rule 3 states as far as is relevant

A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score:
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal line;
(ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in Rule 1.2, Exception (ii) but may score a point with the open hand(s) or fist.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
So for me Clifford fouled the ball by transferring it between hands in effect throwing the ball
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Keyser soze on June 27, 2019, 04:51:22 PM
If he had  soloed [sp] the ball and it skipped away from him and he then flicked it to another player that would not be deemed a foul by most referees as you would see that regularly happening in matches and I cannot recall it ever being penalised, so why should it be any different because he bounced the ball/
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 27, 2019, 04:51:22 PM
If he had  soloed [sp] the ball and it skipped away from him and he then flicked it to another player that would not be deemed a foul by most referees as you would see that regularly happening in matches and I cannot recall it ever being penalised, so why should it be any different because he bounced the ball/

Your example is different for a couple of reasons. 1. If the ball skipped away from him after a solo then he arguably wouldn't be in possession any more. 2 There is nothing wrong with bouncing the ball then as it's coming back to your hand flicking it to a team mate but transferring it between hands or scoring are specifically not allowed under the rules.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on June 27, 2019, 10:07:24 PM
There's no way that Clifford has possession for the entire passage of play.

If the Cork back hadn't bought the dummy and dived in, it would have been relatively easy for him to just jump up and win possession of the ball travelling through the air after Clifford flicks it up.

I don't see how can Clifford be deemed to be in possession of the ball, if the Cork player (or any other player) could have obtained possession by simply plucking it out of the air?




Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on June 27, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
So for me Clifford fouled the ball by transferring it between hands in effect throwing the ball
In that incident I don't see what Clifford did that is covered by the rule on changing hands.
The question is , did Clifford break this rule?
'To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts.'

if he didn't foul and is deemed not to have been in possession of the ball when he flicked it over the head of the Cork player, then the change of hands does not come into the equation.
It's either he fouled when when flicking the ball over and catching it, or not? 

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on June 28, 2019, 12:05:14 PM
If a player bounces (or solos) the ball with nobody near him and it goes a little bit too high and he taps it with one hand to bring the ball down and then catches it in the other hand.....is that a foul?

That's effectively what clifford did (except there was a defender in the way).

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 28, 2019, 12:48:29 PM
Not related to the specific recent discussion but couldn't think of anywhere more suitable

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/central-council-to-decide-fate-of-football-rule-experiments-38261030.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 28, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
As is obvious from this thread, there are many grey areas in the rules. I believe referees are briefed at the start of the year about changes and interpretation of the rules but this is never rolled out to the players and managers of teams. In our club we have a football team at one juvenile grade only, (this is only because one parent is willing to run it and we are a hurling club) so knowledge of the rules is a bit hazy and we concede a lot of frees for fouls the lads don't even know they are committing. However I see teams who have played for years committing similar fouls - and getting called for it- so it's not just our lads lack of knowledge at fault. I believe there is an onus on all county boards to introduce training to all juvenile players about the rules which might help reduce some of the abuse referees get. It seems that the ref is the only person allowed to make a mistake in a match and players can make as many as they like. All young players should have to do some refereeing to see what it's like. It might stop some of the abuse.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on June 28, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on June 28, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
As is obvious from this thread, there are many grey areas in the rules. I believe referees are briefed at the start of the year about changes and interpretation of the rules but this is never rolled out to the players and managers of teams. In our club we have a football team at one juvenile grade only, (this is only because one parent is willing to run it and we are a hurling club) so knowledge of the rules is a bit hazy and we concede a lot of frees for fouls the lads don't even know they are committing. However I see teams who have played for years committing similar fouls - and getting called for it- so it's not just our lads lack of knowledge at fault. I believe there is an onus on all county boards to introduce training to all juvenile players about the rules which might help reduce some of the abuse referees get. It seems that the ref is the only person allowed to make a mistake in a match and players can make as many as they like. All young players should have to do some refereeing to see what it's like. It might stop some of the abuse.

Excellent suggestions - anyone who has ever reffed a game, tends to be a lot more understanding about how difficult it is and how easy it is to miss something.

It would be interesting to see how many visits the rules section on the GAA website and how many times the rules documents were downloaded.

One thing that really bugs me about the television pundits is that a lot of the time they can be very hazy on the rules. The GAA should be hammering home this point, because people see the action and hear the pundits interpretation and think the pundits interpretation is gospel.

Recently I thought Tomas O'Se was poor in terms of the rules for the Kerry Cork game. Overall I thought Cork's tackling technique was woeful [I'd be shocked if they don't have a very high frees against total the next day out as well - they brought intensity to the game but their tackling attempts had very little proper technique whatsoever - so many times it was just a case of get close to the opposition player and flail arms wildly] Kerry by comparison I thought did poorly even in terms of getting close to the Cork players to make tackles - there was very little evidence of Donie Buckley's impact from what I saw - At one stage in the 2nd half a Cork player was yet again running through the central channel and one of the Kerry players actually made a proper tackle and turned the ball over and I remember thinking to myself - was that the first proper tackle leading to a turnover of the game.

O'Se made no mention of any of this (the constant fouls given away by Cork as a result of poor tackling technique ) that I can recall - he seemed to have no idea that for a tackle to be legit there has to be at least some sort of attempt to play the ball as opposed to the man. There was one occasion where a Cork player was blatantly pulling a Kerry players jersey and had a hold of the one of the Kerry player's arm and even when the action was shown back in slow motion he was on about it being a soft enough free. The problem is that so many people will have watched this and their idea of what's a legit tackle and what's a foul just gets more confused.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 28, 2019, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
So for me Clifford fouled the ball by transferring it between hands in effect throwing the ball
In that incident I don't see what Clifford did that is covered by the rule on changing hands.
The question is , did Clifford break this rule?
'To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts.'

if he didn't foul and is deemed not to have been in possession of the ball when he flicked it over the head of the Cork player, then the change of hands does not come into the equation.
It's either he fouled when when flicking the ball over and catching it, or not?

I wouldn't disagree with that. For me Clifford didn't loose possession and therefore fouled the ball in one or other of those two ways.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dire Ear on June 29, 2019, 06:59:07 PM
Probably a silly question, but the extra ball on the pitch for the Tyrone Cassidy goal?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:15:05 AM
Paddy Durcan's Point v Armagh. He toe-tapped the ball, but the ball didn't leave his hands.

Is that not a foul? Surely he overcarried?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on July 01, 2019, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 29, 2019, 06:59:07 PM
Probably a silly question, but the extra ball on the pitch for the Tyrone Cassidy goal?

I didnt notice it at the game but watching back it looked like there was on in the bottom right corner alright
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Question about the advantage rule. If a player is fouled in possession and within the 5 seconds (or whatever it is that the ref holds his hand up) the team manages to create a goal scoring opportunity and they miss - lets say, they hit the bar and the ball is cleared. Is that deemed as the advantage over as they where able to fashion a clear opportunity to score? Or is the only satisfactory advantageous outcome in that scenario a score, in which case the play is brought back for a free?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
It's brought back. If you shoot and miss during the advantage, it is brought back for the free.

I disagree with the ruling btw.

Cheers, Yeah, i would have thought an opportunity to score a goal would have been more advantageous than a free kick for a point so the player has accrued his advantage from the play.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on July 03, 2019, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
It's brought back. If you shoot and miss during the advantage, it is brought back for the free.

I disagree with the ruling btw.

Cheers, Yeah, i would have thought an opportunity to score a goal would have been more advantageous than a free kick for a point so the player has accrued his advantage from the play.

you've 5 seconds to avail of said opportunity, it's a free go effectively. Miss and you get the free anyway.
If said opportunity is still on when the 5 seconds are up I'm sure most referees will take that into account and let the play develop but if it comes to nothing outside the 5 seconds then that's that.


I see nothing wrong with the rule and think its a good thing.


One for the hurling referees, Cian Lynch deliberately threw the ball onto the ground and caught the hop and played on. Tipp lads in my mind were right to ask why no free was awarded, but referee let him off with it.

What is the ruling there?

It's not as if he dropped it, it was a full throw.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on July 03, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Question about the advantage rule. If a player is fouled in possession and within the 5 seconds (or whatever it is that the ref holds his hand up) the team manages to create a goal scoring opportunity and they miss - lets say, they hit the bar and the ball is cleared. Is that deemed as the advantage over as they where able to fashion a clear opportunity to score? Or is the only satisfactory advantageous outcome in that scenario a score, in which case the play is brought back for a free?

I play it as, if the tackle has no bearing on the shot being hit and the player is in a more advantageous position and misses, I take it as take your oil.

If the tackle has put the player off their shot, or say the bad tackle/grope has put them into a wider position and goal and Misses, I bring them back for the free.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Esmarelda on July 03, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on July 03, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Question about the advantage rule. If a player is fouled in possession and within the 5 seconds (or whatever it is that the ref holds his hand up) the team manages to create a goal scoring opportunity and they miss - lets say, they hit the bar and the ball is cleared. Is that deemed as the advantage over as they where able to fashion a clear opportunity to score? Or is the only satisfactory advantageous outcome in that scenario a score, in which case the play is brought back for a free?

I play it as, if the tackle has no bearing on the shot being hit and the player is in a more advantageous position and misses, I take it as take your oil.

If the tackle has put the player off their shot, or say the bad tackle/grope has put them into a wider position and goal and Misses, I bring them back for the free.
I'd agree with that but I've been told that that is not what referees are being told to do. If the goal chance is missed, in this scenario, then I think the ref can bring it back.

The way that you and I agree it should be applied is as it is applied in soccer.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2019, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
It's brought back. If you shoot and miss during the advantage, it is brought back for the free.

I disagree with the ruling btw.

Cheers, Yeah, i would have thought an opportunity to score a goal would have been more advantageous than a free kick for a point so the player has accrued his advantage from the play.

you've 5 seconds to avail of said opportunity, it's a free go effectively. Miss and you get the free anyway.
If said opportunity is still on when the 5 seconds are up I'm sure most referees will take that into account and let the play develop but if it comes to nothing outside the 5 seconds then that's that.


I see nothing wrong with the rule and think its a good thing.


One for the hurling referees, Cian Lynch deliberately threw the ball onto the ground and caught the hop and played on. Tipp lads in my mind were right to ask why no free was awarded, but referee let him off with it.

What is the ruling there?

It's not as if he dropped it, it was a full throw.

Watched and thought foul, he deliberately threw the ball down, now had he dropped it and took the bounce then fine, but I struggle with a couple of those grey areas. Deliberately dropping the ball to regain it and the throwing the ball on to your stick but missing it and regaining it, but by that action gaining space and ability to take extra hop on stick and steps!

As for the advantage rule it's 5 seconds (depending on ref) and advantage over, should he shoot within that and miss it's brought back. Some work out well others don't, can create a gurning session but thems the rules!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on July 03, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
It's brought back. If you shoot and miss during the advantage, it is brought back for the free.

I disagree with the ruling btw.
gat

What's an even bigger bollix that if the player on the ball fouls during the 5s advantage time, it's a free out rather than just being pulled back for the free in
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Over the Bar on July 03, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
Why do some refs disallow headed goals?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on July 03, 2019, 11:36:19 PM
Probably things boys are acting the ****
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on July 03, 2019, 11:36:43 PM
Boy they are legitimate
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 03, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
Why do some refs disallow headed goals?

Kieran Donaghy headed in a couple a few years back. One v Cork, another v Donegal I think. Unintentional headers, but still headers.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 12:20:49 PM
So, the two bounces rule.

Ball played to Paul Mannion. Before catching it, he bounced with both hands, caught it, then another bounce and into the hands again.

Is that classified as two bounces? As technically he hadnt had the ball in his hands on the first bounce?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on July 14, 2019, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 12:20:49 PM
So, the two bounces rule.

Ball played to Paul Mannion. Before catching it, he bounced with both hands, caught it, then another bounce and into the hands again.

Is that classified as two bounces? As technically he hadnt had the ball in his hands on the first bounce?

Page 63 of the rule book.

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be bounced more than once in succession.

Legit by Mannion.

This does mean that a player could receive a pass and bounce it the length of the pitch as long as they didn't catch hold of it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 10:29:43 PM
Fair enough, Ted.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on July 22, 2019, 08:21:35 PM
Not a rule per se but an alleged practice by refs, yesterday Oisin as co commetator on RTE, after the last free was awarded,  claimed that refs were definitely predisposed to granting the "GAA draw".
Is this really the case?

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Jayop on July 22, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
How could we give anything other than our own opinion on that unless one of us have been an intercounty referee who would be willing to give a precise answer??

For me, not for a game like the super8 where a draw is the end of it anyway. If it's a very close knock out game then possibly moreso
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
Another one here that might surprise people. You are only allowed take 4 steps in between bouncing/soloing the ball.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
Another one here that might surprise people. You are only allowed take 4 steps in between bouncing/soloing the ball.

After today's replay, surely it's time just to scrap the four steps rule altogether?

I mean, what's the point? Sure it's rarely enforced.

While they're at it, scrap the pick up as well. It's rarely enforced either.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on September 14, 2019, 08:22:09 PM
Should it be changed to 6 steps seeing as that is the average amount taken and be a lot stricter on over-carrying. On the pick up thing, I find its actually slower to pick the ball of the ground than it is to put your toe under it and lift in correctly
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
Another one here that might surprise people. You are only allowed take 4 steps in between bouncing/soloing the ball.
Gone beyond a joke these days.
They might as well abolish the rule and allow the man to be tackled like in the 2 Rugbys and Aus Rules.
At least then the rule book could be adhered to.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: under the bar on September 15, 2019, 12:19:01 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 14, 2019, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 12:20:49 PM
So, the two bounces rule.

Ball played to Paul Mannion. Before catching it, he bounced with both hands, caught it, then another bounce and into the hands again.

Is that classified as two bounces? As technically he hadnt had the ball in his hands on the first bounce?

Page 63 of the rule book.

1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be bounced more than once in succession.

Legit by Mannion.

This does mean that a player could receive a pass and bounce it the length of the pitch as long as they didn't catch hold of it.

On that basis a player could control the ball with one hand and play it basketball style as far as he wants? It would be much easier than soloing so how come we don't see it?   The reason I expect is that 'caught' does not infer with both hands?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rudi on September 15, 2019, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
Another one here that might surprise people. You are only allowed take 4 steps in between bouncing/soloing the ball.

Without rules there's anacharcy. Has to be a rughy like system that calls back play.  Goal should not have been allowed
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
Kevin McStay alluded to this, after O'Callaghan fouled Morley bearing down on goal. There needs to be appropriate punishment for preventing a goal scoring opportunity, like there is in soccer (red card).

Kerry only got a point from the Morley foul, and if Moran had pulled back Murchan in the same way, a yellow card and a point would be all that happened. As it turned out, the Murchan goal changed the game. A Morley goal for Kerry might have changed the game too.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 17, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
The black card rule is a mess. A body check by a corner forward 100 metres from his own goal deemed more cynical than a jersey pull 20 metres out. A lot of these new innovations and rule changes are botched.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: MC on September 17, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
A lot of the rules are a mess - particularly around the black card.
However, it's the enforcement of the rules that is the biggest mess.
I'm not sure why the linesmen and umpires are not more actively involved in the officiating.
The nonsense that goes on off the ball is just deemed to be 'part of the game' - but the game is football and GAA rules should always be progressing to encourage good football instead of rewarding pulling and pushing and sledging.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: timmyot501 on September 24, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Is a team allowed to change the goalkeepper to an outfield player if a penalty is awarded??  This is only a temporary change for the penalty kick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: five points on September 24, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: MC on September 17, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
A lot of the rules are a mess - particularly around the black card.
However, it's the enforcement of the rules that is the biggest mess.
I'm not sure why the linesmen and umpires are not more actively involved in the officiating.
The nonsense that goes on off the ball is just deemed to be 'part of the game' - but the game is football and GAA rules should always be progressing to encourage good football instead of rewarding pulling and pushing and sledging.

Whatever about linesmen, umpires are neither properly trained to make big calls, nor accountable for their mistakes. Even in an All Ireland final, they're the referee's relations and drinking buddies.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LooseCannon on September 24, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 24, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Is a team allowed to change the goalkeepper to an outfield player if a penalty is awarded??  This is only a temporary change for the penalty kick.
Not sure of its legality, but Nigel Dunne did this a month or so ago for Shamrocks v Rhode in an Offaly senior club game.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on September 24, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 24, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Is a team allowed to change the goalkeepper to an outfield player if a penalty is awarded??  This is only a temporary change for the penalty kick.

Yes - an outfield player can stand in goals for a penalty but if he wears the outfield jersey he can not expect the same benefits of a goalkeeper in regards lifting the ball off the ground in the small rectangle.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 24, 2019, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on September 24, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 24, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Is a team allowed to change the goalkeepper to an outfield player if a penalty is awarded??  This is only a temporary change for the penalty kick.

Yes - an outfield player can stand in goals for a penalty but if he wears the outfield jersey he can not expect the same benefits of a goalkeeper in regards lifting the ball off the ground in the small rectangle.

Can he have the benefits of a goalkeeper if he puts on the goalkeeper's jersey while facing the penalty?

Is there a rule saying he can't do that?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: redzone on September 24, 2019, 10:10:02 PM
If a player receives a one match ban for a straight red can he come on in the next game if it goes to extra time, as its always claimed that (extra time) it's a new game
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes. It rolls over to next game ! No escaping the rules. Another example would be a player sent off at end of u21 age group but over age the next year , is banned from senior level match(es)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

I'm not sure if you are banned from another grade the following year. So if a player in his last game at under 21 is sent off for a one match ban, I'm sure he can play the following year in first round of senior championship. But this is a CCC decision so it may be different to each county?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The Bearded One on September 25, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
In Tyrone a red card match suspension is only applicable at that same level, for example; receive a red card in the senior championship in 2019 and your team loses, they are subsequently relegated via the league to intermediate for 2020 - red card doesn't carry down.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
Using a League to decide Championship status seems odd.
What if the Senior Champions finish bottom of the League?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The Bearded One on September 25, 2019, 11:12:41 AM
Tyrone operate 3 'Senior' leagues. Teams in Div1 play Senior championship, Div2 player Intermediate, Div3 play Junior.
Teams who win Junior Championship and Junior League are promoted from Div3 to Div2 . Teams who win Intermediate Championship and Intermediate League are promoted from Div2 to Div1. So in theory you can finish bottom of your league but get promoted by winning the Championship.

We also have 3 'Reserve' leagues but strangely your position in these leagues are determined by wherever your 'Senior' team plays.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 25, 2019, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 25, 2019, 11:12:41 AM
Tyrone operate 3 'Senior' leagues. Teams in Div1 play Senior championship, Div2 player Intermediate, Div3 play Junior.
Teams who win Junior Championship and Junior League are promoted from Div3 to Div2 . Teams who win Intermediate Championship and Intermediate League are promoted from Div2 to Div1. So in theory you can finish bottom of your league but get promoted by winning the Championship.

We also have 3 'Reserve' leagues but strangely your position in these leagues are determined by wherever your 'Senior' team plays.

Happened Killyman in 2007
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 25, 2019, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

What is a player is sent off in Senior in his last game before retirement? Does he miss his first game for the over 40's or Masters football?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

I'm not sure if you are banned from another grade the following year. So if a player in his last game at under 21 is sent off for a one match ban, I'm sure he can play the following year in first round of senior championship. But this is a CCC decision so it may be different to each county?

The rules are the same in every county. If you get sent off (match ban) but cannot serve the ban (if, for example you are overage next year and it's your team's last game in a competition) then the CCC should impose a two week ban for each match you should have served and can't serve.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 25, 2019, 12:36:29 PM
Just to add a little more meat to the last two posts...

Teams playing in the SFC play in Division 1 of the All County League, IFC teams play in Division 2 of the ACL, and JFC in Division 3.

A team that wins the SFC cannot be relegated as they have the right to defend their title. Should they finish in an automatic relegation or relegation play-off position in Division 1, the team finishing above them will take their place instead. However if they finish in the top four places in Division 1, they will have made the league semi finals.

A team that wins the IFC or JFC will be promoted to Division 1 or 2 respectively for the following season regardless of their final league position. In Division 2, an IFC winner finishing in a nominal relegation place, automatic or play-off, will not be subject to such (similar to the SFC above) as they have already achieved promotion to Division 1 and play in the SFC for next season.

A team winning the Senior, Intermediate or Junior football championship yet finish in a nominal relegation position in the corresponding league is very rare, but has happened. As blewuporstuffed mentioned, Killyman achieved this in 2007 - they went into the IFC final against Moortown knowing that were they to win, the following year they would play in the SFC and Division 1, but were they to lose they would play in the JFC and Division 3 instead - at that time they were already "technically" relegated in the league as they were bottom of the Division 2 table and could not obtain enough league points to escape, but no team is confirmed relegated until they are eliminated from the corresponding championship.

A team that wins the IFC or JFC and also their corresponding Division 2 or Division 3 league by finishing top of the table in the same season (there is no top four play-off for the title as there is in Division 1) means that the team that finishes in second place in the league gains automatic promotion.

In Divisions 2 & 3, the top four teams in the table excluding the two teams already promoted then compete in a two-round knockout play-off. In Divisions 1 & 2, excluding the SFC & IFC winners the team finishing bottom of the final table is automatically relegated, while the next two teams finishing above shall play-off against each other.

In the Division 2 & 3 promotion play off games, the two winning semi-finalists meet in a final, while in the relegation play-off game in Div 1 & Div 2, the losing team is relegated. The last of the four teams standing in the promotion play-offs and the winning team in the relegation play-off then meet in an interdivisional game (relegation Div 1 winner vs. promotion Div 2 winner, and relegation Div 2 winner vs. promotion Div 3 winner) - should the lower division team win the tie, they are promoted for the following season and the losing side is relegated, should the higher division team win, then both teams shall remain in their respective leagues & championship grade for the following season.

As "bearded one" also mentions, any club that has a second adult team (all bar one in 2019) competes in a corresponding reserve league and championship involving the same clubs that their first teams face - this is termed "reserve football" and operates parallel to the "senior football" league & championships, as such there is no promotion or relegation between divisions in reserve football in Tyrone (this may or may not be the same in neighbouring counties that also have reserve leagues & championships - the term "reserves" seems to be a mainly Ulster thing, and in Tyrone at least all first team sides in a club are referred to as "senior" even if they compete in the IFC or JFC). A team wishing to enter a third adult team can do so by entering them in the "senior" leagues & championships, initially in Division 3 in the league and playing in the JFC. These teams are referred to as "Thirds" - at present, only Errigal Ciaran field a Thirds team in Tyrone, and such is their playing numbers depth they also have a corresponding reserve team that is their fourth-level team, usually referred to as "Thirds reserves".

Hurling, given the much smaller number of adult clubs in the county, operates on a very different system.

Good explainer Fionntamhnach. Can you add how many teams are in each league division and how many league games are played with/without county players? Thanks.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on September 25, 2019, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 25, 2019, 12:36:29 PM
Just to add a little more meat to the last two posts...

Teams playing in the SFC play in Division 1 of the All County League, IFC teams play in Division 2 of the ACL, and JFC in Division 3.

A team that wins the SFC cannot be relegated as they have the right to defend their title. Should they finish in an automatic relegation or relegation play-off position in Division 1, the team finishing above them will take their place instead. However if they finish in the top four places in Division 1, they will have made the league semi finals.

A team that wins the IFC or JFC will be promoted to Division 1 or 2 respectively for the following season regardless of their final league position. In Division 2, an IFC winner finishing in a nominal relegation place, automatic or play-off, will not be subject to such (similar to the SFC above) as they have already achieved promotion to Division 1 and play in the SFC for next season.

A team winning the Senior, Intermediate or Junior football championship yet finish in a nominal relegation position in the corresponding league is very rare, but has happened. As blewuporstuffed mentioned, Killyman achieved this in 2007 - they went into the IFC final against Moortown knowing that were they to win, the following year they would play in the SFC and Division 1, but were they to lose they would play in the JFC and Division 3 instead - at that time they were already "technically" relegated in the league as they were bottom of the Division 2 table and could not obtain enough league points to escape, but no team is confirmed relegated until they are eliminated from the corresponding championship.

A team that wins the IFC or JFC and also their corresponding Division 2 or Division 3 league by finishing top of the table in the same season (there is no top four play-off for the title as there is in Division 1) means that the team that finishes in second place in the league gains automatic promotion.

In Divisions 2 & 3, the top four teams in the table excluding the two teams already promoted then compete in a two-round knockout play-off. In Divisions 1 & 2, excluding the SFC & IFC winners the team finishing bottom of the final table is automatically relegated, while the next two teams finishing above shall play-off against each other.

In the Division 2 & 3 promotion play off games, the two winning semi-finalists meet in a final, while in the relegation play-off game in Div 1 & Div 2, the losing team is relegated. The last of the four teams standing in the promotion play-offs and the winning team in the relegation play-off then meet in an interdivisional game (relegation Div 1 winner vs. promotion Div 2 winner, and relegation Div 2 winner vs. promotion Div 3 winner) - should the lower division team win the tie, they are promoted for the following season and the losing side is relegated, should the higher division team win, then both teams shall remain in their respective leagues & championship grade for the following season.

As "bearded one" also mentions, any club that has a second adult team (all bar one in 2019) competes in a corresponding reserve league and championship involving the same clubs that their first teams face - this is termed "reserve football" and operates parallel to the "senior football" league & championships, as such there is no promotion or relegation between divisions in reserve football in Tyrone (this may or may not be the same in neighbouring counties that also have reserve leagues & championships - the term "reserves" seems to be a mainly Ulster thing, and in Tyrone at least all first team sides in a club are referred to as "senior" even if they compete in the IFC or JFC). A team wishing to enter a third adult team can do so by entering them in the "senior" leagues & championships, initially in Division 3 in the league and playing in the JFC. These teams are referred to as "Thirds" - at present, only Errigal Ciaran field a Thirds team in Tyrone, and such is their playing numbers depth they also have a corresponding reserve team that is their fourth-level team, usually referred to as "Thirds reserves".

Hurling, given the much smaller number of adult clubs in the county, operates on a very different system.

Good explainer Fionntamhnach. Can you add how many teams are in each league division and how many league games are played with/without county players? Thanks.
Currently it is 16 Senior, 16 Intermediate and 17 Junior. Nice round numbers for the Senior & Intermediate Championship draws. Teams play each other once in the league (15,15 & 16 games respectively). 5 of those will be designated starred games where teams play without their County players meaning County players are available for 10 league games.
For the starred games the fixtures committee tries to pair off teams with similar numbers of County players.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on September 25, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Armagh is slightly similar, except the grades are split in two for league football: Senior A and Senior B; Intermediate A and Intermediate B; and Junior (junior used to be split but a number of teams withdrew so it is now just a 14 team league).

16 teams in Senior football; 16 in intermediate; 14 in junior. Winning intermediate or junior championship ensures promotion as does finishing first or second in your league section; unless you finish second and a team below you wins the championship. So for example there is a team in the intermediate B league, who finished third. They have reached the championship final; should they win they'll be Senior B league for 2020, skipping a league.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

I'm not sure if you are banned from another grade the following year. So if a player in his last game at under 21 is sent off for a one match ban, I'm sure he can play the following year in first round of senior championship. But this is a CCC decision so it may be different to each county?

The rules are the same in every county. If you get sent off (match ban) but cannot serve the ban (if, for example you are overage next year and it's your team's last game in a competition) then the CCC should impose a two week ban for each match you should have served and can't serve.

Should or do? I believe you should miss the next round of the competition that you're intitled to play in, so in effect he could play a reserve championship game and that may get him off if the club does not grade him..

There are many loopholes I'm sure and there are as many theories people believe to be true..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

I'm not sure if you are banned from another grade the following year. So if a player in his last game at under 21 is sent off for a one match ban, I'm sure he can play the following year in first round of senior championship. But this is a CCC decision so it may be different to each county?

The rules are the same in every county. If you get sent off (match ban) but cannot serve the ban (if, for example you are overage next year and it's your team's last game in a competition) then the CCC should impose a two week ban for each match you should have served and can't serve.

Should or do? I believe you should miss the next round of the competition that you're intitled to play in, so in effect he could play a reserve championship game and that may get him off if the club does not grade him..

There are many loopholes I'm sure and there are as many theories people believe to be true..

Match bans are in the same competition. Always. If it is not possible to serve a match ban in the same competition (even if it's the following year) then a two week suspension should/must be imposed for each match ban that can't be served, e.g. if it's 2 matches, it's 4 weeks. It's clearly stated in the rulebook.

Like many things with rules there are theories and commonly held views that are not true.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 25, 2019, 01:13:12 PM
There are 48 GAA clubs in Tyrone that field at least one mens senior football team.

There are 16 teams in both Divisions 1 & 2, and 17 teams in Division 3 with the inclusion of Errigal Ciaran Thirds. As it is a single round robin league, then teams in Divisions 1 & 2 play 15 games, while in Division 3 it is 16.

During the course of the normal league system, there are a number of "starred" rounds whereby should the Tyrone senior football team still be in competitive action, starred club games are fixed where county players are not expected to line out for their club in that round of fixtures. Not 100% sure how many starred rounds there are in Tyrone in 2019, I think it's six, leaving nine rounds where county players are free to play for their clubs. Not an issue in Division 3 this year with no one on the county panel being from a junior ranked club.

As much as possible, the Tyrone CCC will make starred rounds as such so that teams facing each other will both have players on the county panel and that they have an equal penalisation in such players not being available to them. However should a player leave the county panel after all the rounds have been announced, they are not prevented from playing in those starred rounds.

In my vastly overpaid opinion, I think it's an utter hodge podge of a system, but there seems to be little will within the county for any significant change to the present structures for senior & reserve football in Tyrone.

In the past there used to be some subsidiary & preseason competitions - these have not been run now for some years due to poor reception and interest by many clubs.

It's a little complicated but I can understand the reluctance to change it. The CCC in Tyrone have a tough job! I think leagues in some counties where they're not linked to championship have really had their value diluted. However I understand breaking that link due to unavailability of county players hampering some clubs. There's a fair balance there in Tyrone. Interesting. Thanks for the explanations from yourself and the others who contributed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
Jases it's no wonder Tyronies have chips on their shoulders with that complicated League/Championship hodge podge ;D
In Ros the Leagues are totally separate and have no bearing on Championship status.
5 Divisions in the AFLs with D4 and D 5 being mainly B teams.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on September 25, 2019, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2019, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on September 25, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 24, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
If a player receives a red card and a one match ban for the next championship game, but in that next game the opposition concede, does the players ban roll on to the next game?
Yes it rolls over! You can't escape the rules. Another example would be a player sent off in last eligible U 21 game ( over age the next year ) would have ban carried over to next senior game eligible to play in .

I'm not sure if you are banned from another grade the following year. So if a player in his last game at under 21 is sent off for a one match ban, I'm sure he can play the following year in first round of senior championship. But this is a CCC decision so it may be different to each county?

The rules are the same in every county. If you get sent off (match ban) but cannot serve the ban (if, for example you are overage next year and it's your team's last game in a competition) then the CCC should impose a two week ban for each match you should have served and can't serve.

That is my take on it as well.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 25, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
Jases it's no wonder Tyronies have chips on their shoulders with that complicated League/Championship hodge podge ;D
It's not that complicated. I just enjoy giving explanations that are (mostly) clear and explanatory to those whom are smart or intelligent enough in wanting to really understand something, yet look complicated to buck eejits.  ;D ;D ;D
I Suppose it all depends on what your used to, I always switched off when other counties started explained their system thinking it was over complicated and stupid.

Anyway I like Kerry's divisional system as it would give the best players a chance at playing against each other. There are clubs of various sizes and hence abilities in Tyrone and its obviously not fair that a decent player from a wee place like Fintona will never have a chance of playing senior championship unlike his neighbours in over crowded Tattyreagh.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on October 12, 2019, 07:35:55 PM
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1183087525679845376?s=20

The steps rule really needs sorting out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on October 14, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 25, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
Jases it's no wonder Tyronies have chips on their shoulders with that complicated League/Championship hodge podge ;D
It's not that complicated. I just enjoy giving explanations that are (mostly) clear and explanatory to those whom are smart or intelligent enough in wanting to really understand something, yet look complicated to buck eejits.  ;D ;D ;D
I Suppose it all depends on what your used to, I always switched off when other counties started explained their system thinking it was over complicated and stupid.

Anyway I like Kerry's divisional system as it would give the best players a chance at playing against each other. There are clubs of various sizes and hence abilities in Tyrone and its obviously not fair that a decent player from a wee place like Fintona will never have a chance of playing senior championship unlike his neighbours in over crowded Tattyreagh.
They could always transfer to Dromore!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: screenexile on October 14, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 12, 2019, 07:35:55 PM
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1183087525679845376?s=20

The steps rule really needs sorting out.

Or just applied by referees . . .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 14, 2019, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 12, 2019, 07:35:55 PM
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1183087525679845376?s=20

The steps rule really needs sorting out.

Or just applied by referees . . .

It should just be four seconds regardless. Tall players four steps will take you further than someone of my height! It's not fair  ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on October 15, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
Not much talk here about the new football Rules proposed for the Special Congress coming up on Saturday!!

Kick outs from the 20. The sideways kick out will come back into vogue again I fear.
"Offensive" mark. Expect some very vague measurements of 20m by Referees.
Sin Bin for black cards. Probably lead to more use of the black.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 12:31:25 PM
Titanic and deckchairs come to mind.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2019, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 12:31:25 PM
Titanic and deckchairs come to mind.

There's more to GAA than the Senior Football Intercounty competitions.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Link on October 15, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
Does anyone know the rules about postponing a game due to injury? Is it up to the referee?

In the last week we've had 2 underage championship games in Derry with 2 lads stretchered off.

U16 semi final, 6 mins left, 1 point in it. Game called off. Post game the word is Jaw injury - not confirmed.
Minor final, 27 mins left, 3 points in it. Game continued after a 15 minute break. Post game the word is back/spine injury.

No updates on the condition of either player but I'd hope they make a full recovery obviously.

The cancellation of one and continuation of the other confuses me given the circumstances.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rosnarun on October 15, 2019, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 15, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
Not much talk here about the new football Rules proposed for the Special Congress coming up on Saturday!!

Kick outs from the 20. The sideways kick out will come back into vogue again I fear.
"Offensive" mark. Expect some very vague measurements of 20m by Referees.
Sin Bin for black cards. Probably lead to more use of the black.
gging on last year they will make little difference .
not sure about he offensive mark . I feel some half assed manger will make his nameby concentrating on it and go a long way til its found out  and hes be shown to be a one trick pony .
it should be make clear its a mark and not a free kick Ir much less time to take it  and not the full monty of a routine.
BTW who has the longest build up to a free in the current game? Murphy? dean Rock?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: Link on October 15, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
Does anyone know the rules about postponing a game due to injury? Is it up to the referee?

In the last week we've had 2 underage championship games in Derry with 2 lads stretchered off.

U16 semi final, 6 mins left, 1 point in it. Game called off. Post game the word is Jaw injury - not confirmed.
Minor final, 27 mins left, 3 points in it. Game continued after a 15 minute break. Post game the word is back/spine injury.

No updates on the condition of either player but I'd hope they make a full recovery obviously.

The cancellation of one and continuation of the other confuses me given the circumstances.

At the referees discretion I'd assume. I'd an air ambulance called for a game, one wanted it off, and the other was willing to stay on, that was the winning team looking to stay on the pitch! I said lets give it some time, (no more than 20 mins) and it was all sorted play resummed
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: five points on October 16, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
Totally up to the referee's discretion.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: recyclebin on October 19, 2019, 10:44:30 PM
Can't believe the forward mark was passed. Teams will get even more defensive.

Sun bin will be hard to manage for the refs at club level.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on October 19, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
The Club Refs will need to bring a load of alarm clocks ;D
Or as is more likely will use the black card very sparingly.
And there will be some time wasting by teams while they're down to 14 men.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2019, 12:02:41 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
The Club Refs will need to bring a load of alarm clocks ;D
Or as is more likely will use the black card very sparingly.
And there will be some time wasting by teams while they're down to 14 men.

Just stop the sinbin clock if there's time wasting! ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Solo_run on October 20, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
I like the introduction of the Sin Bin but it still doesn't change the issues referees have implementing rules.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on October 21, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on October 20, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
I like the introduction of the Sin Bin but it still doesn't change the issues referees have implementing rules.

As far as I'm concerned all this does is reduces the punishment for foul play while increasing the motivation for teams to waste time. Lunacy to think this will improve things.

Taken directly from the GAA.ie website

QuoteThe rationale behind this motion is to reduce a rise in cynical play and 'professional' fouling by implementing a penalty 'on the day' that encourages behavioural change.

The horror show that is this sentence is beyond belief - "to reduce a rise in cynical play" by "implementing a penalty 'on the day' that encourages behavioural change"

This complete and utter bullshit bingo says a world about how strong an argument whoever came up with this would be able to make as to why this rule would improve matters.

Previously if a player committed a black card offence that was the end of their involvement in the game.

Now instead for the same offences they face a maximum of ten minutes on the bench - chances are that it will be more like 6/7/8 minutes for most players and it's actually possible that if an injury occurs a player who receives a black card could miss zero actual action in a game. Think about that and what it says about how badly designed a rule this is.

I don't have any stats but I'd imagine that if you looked at when black cards were issued previously a huge majority of them were in the later minutes of games - clearly players were smart/streetwise enough to not commit offences early in games. This sin bin change reduces the disincentive to commit a pull down when a player is through on goals early on in games.

Any manager worth his salt will be telling his players - lads if a player is through on goal, one-on-one with the keeper, don't worry too much about committing a black card offence, it's far easier to cope with going down to 14 men for a few minutes compared to conceding a goal.

The rule also gives an incentive for teams to slow down play/time waste when down to 14. Expect to see players taking the maximum possible time when taking sideline balls, free kicks, kickouts plus maximising the time taken over substitutions and injuries. Super double whammy of stupid.

If you want players to stop committing cynical fouls, you need to increase the punishment for committing cynical fouls, not decrease it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: highorlow on October 22, 2019, 08:30:57 AM
For the sin bin the small piece I read is the player binned can't come back on. I don't think managers or players will be happy to be binned.

Maybe they  should've made it for the time it takes the unbinned team to get say 5 points or more. No time wasting then and would lead to open play. Once the team gets the 5 points or 1-2 or 2-0 then the opposition player comes back on.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on October 22, 2019, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: highorlow on October 22, 2019, 08:30:57 AM
For the sin bin the small piece I read is the player binned can't come back on. I don't think managers or players will be happy to be binned.

Maybe they  should've made it for the time it takes the unbinned team to get say 5 points or more. No time wasting then and would lead to open play. Once the team gets the 5 points or 1-2 or 2-0 then the opposition player comes back on.

unbinned team stick to 4 points (unless they're still getting beat) and don't bother going for the extra score....

As Mr Dodds would say you can drive a coach and horses through that rule if implemented.



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2019, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 22, 2019, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: highorlow on October 22, 2019, 08:30:57 AM
For the sin bin the small piece I read is the player binned can't come back on. I don't think managers or players will be happy to be binned.

Maybe they  should've made it for the time it takes the unbinned team to get say 5 points or more. No time wasting then and would lead to open play. Once the team gets the 5 points or 1-2 or 2-0 then the opposition player comes back on.

unbinned team stick to 4 points (unless they're still getting beat) and don't bother going for the extra score....

As Mr Dodds would say you can drive a coach and horses through that rule if implemented.

I've noticed games in football that  finished 0-05 0-04!

Everyone looking at the negatives, let the refs (with their ten extra watch's) allocate the right time based on time of ball in play, the team can time waste all they want providing the ref adds the time
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Apparently it has been researched and for every 10 minute period that a team is down to 14 against the opponents 15, the expected score in that time is almost 2 points favourable to the team with the extra player. The current black card is no punishment to the team, especially the team with a strong bench. Think this was a no brainer to introduce and the yellow card will go the same way shortly (black card will be re-absorbed back into yellow card).

Advanced mark is the one I cannot understand. Can't see any reason for it - what it's trying to combat or achieve.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2019, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Apparently it has been researched and for every 10 minute period that a team is down to 14 against the opponents 15, the expected score in that time is almost 2 points favourable to the team with the extra player. The current black card is no punishment to the team, especially the team with a strong bench. Think this was a no brainer to introduce and the yellow card will go the same way shortly (black card will be re-absorbed back into yellow card).

Advanced mark is the one I cannot understand. Can't see any reason for it - what it's trying to combat or achieve.

The advance Mark is going to be a nightmare for your club refs!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on October 27, 2019, 12:55:38 PM
A pile of shite. Who are these f**king idiots and when is the last time they played football?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on October 27, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Usual GAA stuff, no one objects to a proposed rule, then it gets passed and everyone starts moaning about it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on October 27, 2019, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Usual GAA stuff, no one objects to a proposed rule, then it gets passed and everyone starts moaning about it.

Yes, but the vast majority of GAA folk don't get to vote at Congress.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on October 27, 2019, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Usual GAA stuff, no one objects to a proposed rule, then it gets passed and everyone starts moaning about it.
It's stupid though. I'm all for our sport evolving positively but at this stage these morons are just making changes for the sake of it. I can't think of one rule brought in over the last 20 years that actually made any difference in improving the game either as a player or a spectator. Who the f**k decides whether it's 20m or not!? Referees have enough on their plate. It's going to be more hassle than what it's worth.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2019, 11:52:32 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/black-card-could-become-a-thing-of-the-past-963539.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on November 16, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Player intentionally for all the world to see goes and and tries to trip a player, misses, player runs run.

Attack comes to nothing. 

What you do?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on November 16, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 16, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Player intentionally for all the world to see goes and and tries to trip a player, misses, player runs run.

Attack comes to nothing. 

What you do?
No foul occurred so play on?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2019, 05:21:48 PM
Attempted kick, with minimal force. Red card.

I hope you're not a ref!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyroneman on January 14, 2020, 11:58:40 AM
So I've now seen Refs allowing a defender to call a mark when they win the ball in their own 45.....so is there such a thing?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 14, 2020, 12:32:51 PM
Yes, once it's from a kick over 20m from outside the 45.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 14, 2020, 11:58:40 AM
So I've now seen Refs allowing a defender to call a mark when they win the ball in their own 45.....so is there such a thing?

Is this a forward mark? or a mark from when the keeper kicks the ball ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Itchy on January 14, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Apparently it has been researched and for every 10 minute period that a team is down to 14 against the opponents 15, the expected score in that time is almost 2 points favourable to the team with the extra player. The current black card is no punishment to the team, especially the team with a strong bench. Think this was a no brainer to introduce and the yellow card will go the same way shortly (black card will be re-absorbed back into yellow card).

Advanced mark is the one I cannot understand. Can't see any reason for it - what it's trying to combat or achieve.

Well I wouldve thought it was simple enough, its trying to encourage teams to play early long balls and increasing the reward for doing so with a free kick at goal and I suppose as part of that trying to get teams to push up on the kicker more which in turns unlocks the blankets somewhat. Whether it is successful or not I am not sure.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Fella gets son binned on 15 th minute. He's off for ten minutes. During this time there is a 5 minute delay. Do you bring the fella who got win binned back on at 25 minutes?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 14, 2020, 07:49:37 PM
Yes , its 10 minutes from when the ref restarted play after the sin binning.
A charter for cynicism and cheating I fear.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2020, 07:49:37 PM
Yes , its 10 minutes from when the ref restarted play after the sin binning.
A charter for cynicism and cheating I fear.

Yip
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
It's simple he's off the field for ten mins of play! If a team wants to fart about during that period the clock is stopped as normal and the player will come back on after the ref has decided the ten minutes of actual sin binning has occurred.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
It's simple he's off the field for ten mins of play! If a team wants to fart about during that period the clock is stopped as normal and the player will come back on after the ref has decided the ten minutes of actual sin binning has occurred.

Are you sure? If been trying to verify this but can't anywhere
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
It's simple he's off the field for ten mins of play! If a team wants to fart about during that period the clock is stopped as normal and the player will come back on after the ref has decided the ten minutes of actual sin binning has occurred.

Are you sure? If been trying to verify this but can't anywhere

I was told, but I've in house training for refs on  Monday, it'll be covered then, let's just say if I'm refereeing, the player sin binned won't be coming til ten minutes of play has been done. Teams can fart about as much as they want
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 09:16:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
It's simple he's off the field for ten mins of play! If a team wants to fart about during that period the clock is stopped as normal and the player will come back on after the ref has decided the ten minutes of actual sin binning has occurred.

Are you sure? If been trying to verify this but can't anywhere



I was told, but I've in house training for refs on  Monday, it'll be covered then, let's just say if I'm refereeing, the player sin binned won't be coming til ten minutes of play has been done. Teams can fart about as much as they want

When I referee the ladies, I write down the time I sin bin the player and if any minutes needed to be added on in that time, I do so.

Regarding verification, you would think these would be issued on the official gaa.ie to everyone to see. But like some of the GAA rules , there is total ambiguity.     
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 09:42:32 PM
The stop clock is obviously the only way to insure the 10 minutes are served. And to prevent cheating and running Down the clock.

At county level anyway. More difficult at club level.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 09:42:32 PM
The stop clock is obviously the only way to insure the 10 minutes are served. And to prevent cheating and running Down the clock.

At county level anyway. More difficult at club level.

Two watches, or use your note book as theticklemister said
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 09:42:32 PM
The stop clock is obviously the only way to insure the 10 minutes are served. And to prevent cheating and running Down the clock.

At county level anyway. More difficult at club level.

Two watches, or use your note book as theticklemister said

That gives more work for referees though. They've enough to do. Timekeeping should be taken from the ref.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2020, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 09:42:32 PM
The stop clock is obviously the only way to insure the 10 minutes are served. And to prevent cheating and running Down the clock.

At county level anyway. More difficult at club level.

Two watches, or use your note book as theticklemister said

That gives more work for referees though. They've enough to do. Timekeeping should be taken from the ref.

At club level it won't be (timekeeping taken away)  it's daft to apply this at all levels at clubs, inter county they've 4th official to keep it sorted. The forward mark alone is crazy at club level especially at juvenile level, just get your big play to play on the 21 and boot the ball in!

Don't see the benefit on how it will improve the game
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on January 21, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.


Thanks MR2

Just to be clear, is this one senior man's opinion on how the 10 mins should be implemented, or did he get it from some official source?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
Didn't it say that in explanatory notes issued by the GAA for the special Congress?
I recall reading it somewhere back then.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dabh on January 21, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.

Yeah but my understanding is that, like the existing mark, the player is allowed 4 steps or the length of time to travel 4 steps before they can be tackled ( providing he is outside the large rectangle)
It is not clear what is allowed if he cleanly catches it outside the rectangle but arrives in the rectangle within 4 steps and has not had the opportunity to raise his hand before been met by the wall of defenders stationed just inside the large rectangle
or how a player will make a clean catch inside the rectangle and manage to hold on to the ball while been tackled by multiple players and simultaneously raise his hand to claim the mark. Then somehow clear the 13 yards in front of him within 15 secs so that he can take the kick.
... expect loads of moaning and plenty of refereeing inconsistencies for a while on this one.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on January 21, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.

Can't wait to get back to the refereeing this year!  :-\
Although as a dual referee I can see myself turning down football games in favour of hurling
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 21, 2020, 04:40:23 PM
Are there any posters of images which show clearly these new rules? Anything sent out from HQ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on January 21, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
You cant have an advance mark from a kick out mark.

If the advanced mark is inside the large rectangle , you can tackle immediately.

Reading the changes , I believe there are too many permutations to interpret at club level!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on January 21, 2020, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 21, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.


Thanks MR2

Just to be clear, is this one senior man's opinion on how the 10 mins should be implemented, or did he get it from some official source?

That's the way it was reffed last year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2020, 09:14:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 21, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.


Thanks MR2

Just to be clear, is this one senior man's opinion on how the 10 mins should be implemented, or did he get it from some official source?

Was discussed at length last night, I'd prefer to stop the watch but not allowed, so any injuries in that period you can use your discretion as to whether they are taking the piss and play on, has to be a head injury or a dangerous one.  Player can only come on after ten minutes then a break in play, can't come on beforehand or he'll receive a yellow, a black and yellow is a red!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2020, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: Dabh on January 21, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.

Yeah but my understanding is that, like the existing mark, the player is allowed 4 steps or the length of time to travel 4 steps before they can be tackled ( providing he is outside the large rectangle)
It is not clear what is allowed if he cleanly catches it outside the rectangle but arrives in the rectangle within 4 steps and has not had the opportunity to raise his hand before been met by the wall of defenders stationed just inside the large rectangle
or how a player will make a clean catch inside the rectangle and manage to hold on to the ball while been tackled by multiple players and simultaneously raise his hand to claim the mark. Then somehow clear the 13 yards in front of him within 15 secs so that he can take the kick.
... expect loads of moaning and plenty of refereeing inconsistencies for a while on this one.

He must raise his arm, if a defender is refusing him (pulling his arm) it's a free anyways then any player can take the free and from the ground should he wish. Catch clean n the box the 15 seconds starts from when he raises his hand, I'm sure if he's being manhandled it could be another free but he should be able to play ball
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dabh on January 22, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Dabh on January 21, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.

Yeah but my understanding is that, like the existing mark, the player is allowed 4 steps or the length of time to travel 4 steps before they can be tackled ( providing he is outside the large rectangle)
It is not clear what is allowed if he cleanly catches it outside the rectangle but arrives in the rectangle within 4 steps and has not had the opportunity to raise his hand before been met by the wall of defenders stationed just inside the large rectangle
or how a player will make a clean catch inside the rectangle and manage to hold on to the ball while been tackled by multiple players and simultaneously raise his hand to claim the mark. Then somehow clear the 13 yards in front of him within 15 secs so that he can take the kick.
... expect loads of moaning and plenty of refereeing inconsistencies for a while on this one.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/referees-briefed-on-clarifications-to-advanced-mark-and-sin-bin-rule-976864.html

'large rectangle exception' is apparently now gone.... 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Dabh on January 22, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Dabh on January 21, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sin bin is ten minutes regardless of delays like injuries during that period.

Forward mark rule kick must be played before the 45 and travel 20 meters and the player MUST make a hand in air sign.

He's 15 seconds to play ball, it's a clean catch Mark called,  should he not and tries to take a mark he'll be done for over carrying, players can tackle straight away for a forward mark should he want to play on. Oh and if a defender/keeper catches that forward Mark he can have it by making the sign for a mark, a raised hand.

Yeah but my understanding is that, like the existing mark, the player is allowed 4 steps or the length of time to travel 4 steps before they can be tackled ( providing he is outside the large rectangle)
It is not clear what is allowed if he cleanly catches it outside the rectangle but arrives in the rectangle within 4 steps and has not had the opportunity to raise his hand before been met by the wall of defenders stationed just inside the large rectangle
or how a player will make a clean catch inside the rectangle and manage to hold on to the ball while been tackled by multiple players and simultaneously raise his hand to claim the mark. Then somehow clear the 13 yards in front of him within 15 secs so that he can take the kick.
... expect loads of moaning and plenty of refereeing inconsistencies for a while on this one.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/referees-briefed-on-clarifications-to-advanced-mark-and-sin-bin-rule-976864.html

'large rectangle exception' is apparently now gone....

Believe it or not, the trainers who gave us the rules info on Monday got an email on the way up to the hotel to say they had a new update on the rules
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Who the f**k has seen these rules released today. Oh living Jesus !!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on January 22, 2020, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k

This was always the proposal.

Can't help but think it came from some of the same folk who binned the hooter system and gave the cost of having a clock as one of their reasons for doing so.

When you look at the makeup of the Standing Rules Committee, it's no wonder what a dog's dinner they have made of these new rules.

I'm half convinced that some of the hurling folk on the committee are doing all they can to muck up Gaelic football as much as possible.

In a way that's almost a kinder interpretation than the alternative that they did not actually think about how this rules would actually work on a pitch.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k

Where are you getting that from? In the Irish Times link above, it says:

"The time period in the sin bin shall be of 10 minutes duration irrespective of delays"

Isn't that the same as it was last year for the league?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k

Where are you getting that from? In the Irish Times link above, it says:

"The time period in the sin bin shall be of 10 minutes duration irrespective of delays"

Isn't that the same as it was last year for the league?

Yeah irrespective of delays. So if a guy is sinbinned in the 17th minute and there is an injury for 5 minutes on the 22nd minute, he is then free to wonder on in the 27th minute and there has only been 5 minutes of actual play
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k

Where are you getting that from? In the Irish Times link above, it says:

"The time period in the sin bin shall be of 10 minutes duration irrespective of delays"

Isn't that the same as it was last year for the league?

Yeah irrespective of delays. So if a guy is sinbinned in the 17th minute and there is an injury for 5 minutes on the 22nd minute, he is then free to wonder on in the 27th minute and there has only been 5 minutes of actual play

Sorry, I thought you were saying the opposite.

Anything else would be difficult to implement but it definitely lends itself to play acting. How does women's football work it? I guess they have the clock, does that stop for injuries?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2020, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Remove the sin bin.

Wave the old black card with gay abandon for cynical play, including diving and feigning injury, and for any verbals to the referee.

Watch our sport then grow a set.


The old black car wasn't perfect. But mainly because it wasn't applied properly.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 22, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 22, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
10 minute sin binning does not include stoppages what the f**k

Where are you getting that from? In the Irish Times link above, it says:

"The time period in the sin bin shall be of 10 minutes duration irrespective of delays"

Isn't that the same as it was last year for the league?

Yeah irrespective of delays. So if a guy is sinbinned in the 17th minute and there is an injury for 5 minutes on the 22nd minute, he is then free to wonder on in the 27th minute and there has only been 5 minutes of actual play

Sorry, I thought you were saying the opposite.

Anything else would be difficult to implement but it definitely lends itself to play acting. How does women's football work it? I guess they have the clock, does that stop for injuries?

I referee ladies football here in Britain, both domestically and provincially. We don't have a clock, but I take into consideration the time I yellow card a player. I write down the time in my notebook of the dismissal and I am then conscience of extra time to be added in the next ten minutes and add it on
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 22, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Black card = off to the end of the half or rest of game if in second half...too simple?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 22, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Black card = off to the end of the half or rest of game if in second half...too simple?

It's ten minutes, if black carded on 22 minutes it'll be 10 minutes later, 2 minutes into second half (after first break of play) or if ref plays a minute it's the after the first minute of second half
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on January 22, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
How are officials for club games going to keep track of 2 or 3 players in sin bin?

Worse still, at under age level?!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 22, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
How are officials for club games going to keep track of 2 or 3 players in sin bin?

Worse still, at under age level?!

The new score cards have a part for the sin bin, time written down of offence, quick glance at watch will alert you. Should be fine, it's the moaning though that'll be a pest, I'd only a few black cards all season so I doubt it will be much more than normal, though a big push for verbal abuse to referees will see the card used more often I suspect
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 23, 2020, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 22, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Black card = off to the end of the half or rest of game if in second half...too simple?

It's ten minutes, if black carded on 22 minutes it'll be 10 minutes later, 2 minutes into second half (after first break of play) or if ref plays a minute it's the after the first minute of second half

Nope...till the end of the half, whether that be 28 mins or 2 mins.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on January 23, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 21, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
You cant have an advance mark from a kick out mark.

If the advanced mark is inside the large rectangle , you can tackle immediately.

Reading the changes , I believe there are too many permutations to interpret at club level!

If a player injures himself in the act of taking a mark and is unable to kick it, does another player get to take it and can he kick directly for a score. If so I could see that being abused eg in a tight game with a minute or 2 to go a player who isn't renowned for shooting gets a mark. He lets on to have injured himself and so the ace free taker gets taking the kick resulting in an easy point. Lots of loopholes which will need to be sorted out quickly.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2020, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 23, 2020, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 22, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Black card = off to the end of the half or rest of game if in second half...too simple?

It's ten minutes, if black carded on 22 minutes it'll be 10 minutes later, 2 minutes into second half (after first break of play) or if ref plays a minute it's the after the first minute of second half

Nope...till the end of the half, whether that be 28 mins or 2 mins.

I'm sure the trainers told us different, but with all the talking going on during the discussion and the fact that these things have changed so quickly you could be right
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on January 23, 2020, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 21, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
You cant have an advance mark from a kick out mark.

If the advanced mark is inside the large rectangle , you can tackle immediately.

Reading the changes , I believe there are too many permutations to interpret at club level!

If a player injures himself in the act of taking a mark and is unable to kick it, does another player get to take it and can he kick directly for a score. If so I could see that being abused eg in a tight game with a minute or 2 to go a player who isn't renowned for shooting gets a mark. He lets on to have injured himself and so the ace free taker gets taking the kick resulting in an easy point. Lots of loopholes which will need to be sorted out quickly.

Closet player as determined by referee if he is properly injured.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dabh on January 23, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 21, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
You cant have an advance mark from a kick out mark.

If the advanced mark is inside the large rectangle , you can tackle immediately.

Reading the changes , I believe there are too many permutations to interpret at club level!

If a player injures himself in the act of taking a mark and is unable to kick it, does another player get to take it and can he kick directly for a score. If so I could see that being abused eg in a tight game with a minute or 2 to go a player who isn't renowned for shooting gets a mark. He lets on to have injured himself and so the ace free taker gets taking the kick resulting in an easy point. Lots of loopholes which will need to be sorted out quickly.

Yes and Yes.
Thou it is a bit like the GO Games Rule - nearest team mate
If the Referee determines that the player who makes the 'Mark' has been injured in the process and is unable to take the kick, the Referee shall direct the Player's nearest team mate to take the kick but this may only be allowed in exceptional circumstances.
A Score may be made from the free awarded for a mark
.

As a result i have now updated our teams first aid policies.
We now have designated on-field first-responders for any injuries that may occur to those claiming advanced marks in tight games during the final quarter.
And when a player does get injured while claiming such a mark, make sure that they do not bother the refs with it until the designated first responder has arrived to validate the seriousness of the injury.
Meanwhile all other players also have a responsibility to ensure the injured player has a clear area around them and give the designated responder space to operate.
.. i assume most teams will adopt similiar policies
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
He's got 15 seconds or hop ball
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rosnarun on January 23, 2020, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
He’s got 15 seconds or hop ball
so will lots of player go down as if injured to stop the clock?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 23, 2020, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2020, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 23, 2020, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 22, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
What's the alternative though? One that will work in every game up and down the country? 4 or 5 watches for each ref?

Black card = off to the end of the half or rest of game if in second half...too simple?

It's ten minutes, if black carded on 22 minutes it'll be 10 minutes later, 2 minutes into second half (after first break of play) or if ref plays a minute it's the after the first minute of second half

Nope...till the end of the half, whether that be 28 mins or 2 mins.

I'm sure the trainers told us different, but with all the talking going on during the discussion and the fact that these things have changed so quickly you could be right

That's my solution MR2, not the current situation. 

All refs prob give a yellow in the first 15 mins of a game anyway and hold off the black, if not ignore the black at club level completely.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Eire90 on January 23, 2020, 07:10:44 PM
Ciaran Donaghy  says get rid of black card an introduce a 50 metre rule for fouls that would have been a black card
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on January 23, 2020, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 23, 2020, 07:10:44 PM
Ciaran Donaghy  says get rid of black card an introduce a 50 metre rule for fouls that would have been a black card
Conor Lane says do both!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 25, 2020, 02:48:24 AM
On this defensive mark thing...I presume a shot for a point that falls into the keepers hands is a mark and he has 15 seconds to take his kick after putting his hand up.

There will be outrage if the GAA are seen to be taking soccer rules on board...and soccer says the keeper must use the ball within 6 seconds, not our 15!

Or is there a rule that says keepers cannot claim a mark? 

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on January 25, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 25, 2020, 02:48:24 AM
On this defensive mark thing...I presume a shot for a point that falls into the keepers hands is a mark and he has 15 seconds to take his kick after putting his hand up.

There will be outrage if the GAA are seen to be taking soccer rules on board...and soccer says the keeper must use the ball within 6 seconds, not our 15!

Or is there a rule that says keepers cannot claim a mark?

for defensive marks the player gets 5 seconds
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 25, 2020, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 25, 2020, 02:48:24 AM
On this defensive mark thing...I presume a shot for a point that falls into the keepers hands is a mark and he has 15 seconds to take his kick after putting his hand up.

There will be outrage if the GAA are seen to be taking soccer rules on board...and soccer says the keeper must use the ball within 6 seconds, not our 15!

Or is there a rule that says keepers cannot claim a mark?

for defensive marks the player gets 5 seconds
I don't recall reading that anywhere???
The bit that annoys me is if a player doesn't claim the mark he gets 4 steps where he cant be challenged.
Claiming the mark should be the only privilege, playing on should be fair game for tackles etc
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2020, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2020, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 25, 2020, 02:48:24 AM
On this defensive mark thing...I presume a shot for a point that falls into the keepers hands is a mark and he has 15 seconds to take his kick after putting his hand up.

There will be outrage if the GAA are seen to be taking soccer rules on board...and soccer says the keeper must use the ball within 6 seconds, not our 15!

Or is there a rule that says keepers cannot claim a mark?

for defensive marks the player gets 5 seconds
I don't recall reading that anywhere???
The bit that annoys me is if a player doesn't claim the mark he gets 4 steps where he cant be challenged.
Claiming the mark should be the only privilege, playing on should be fair game for tackles etc

Will need to look at that again as I thought if the forward Mark isn't claimed he can be tackled! Glad I'm not out this weekend! Will study the games tomorrow
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 25, 2020, 12:52:36 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/guide-to-new-the-gaelic-football-playing-rules/

See item 4 advanced mark section
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on January 25, 2020, 02:48:46 PM
Apart from the change to the kick  out , the other two changes have disaster written all over them . They have too many variables that are open to interpretation by the referee and the general public watching games , never mind the impact at club level . Too much, too soon and too many changes .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tippabu on January 26, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
So am I right to say that a player who doesnt take a mark and plays on but is tackled gets a free from the point of the tackle? Is there any other penalty such as ball being moved up or a different player to the one who took the mark now being able to take the free? Can a ref give advantage to a player who takes a mark, plays on and is tackled fairly but is trying to break a tackle to get in on goal or will many refs just blow for the free straight away?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on February 02, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
This advance mark rule the shíttest rule ever concocted. Watched a match earlier, ball played in, player catches it and then drops it but the ref already awarded him the mark therefore he gets a free in? Horseshit
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on February 02, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
This advance mark rule the shíttest rule ever concocted. Watched a match earlier, ball played in, player catches it and then drops it but the ref already awarded him the mark therefore he gets a free in? Horseshit

That's nothing to do with the rule, the problem there is the ref.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 02, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
This advance mark rule the shíttest rule ever concocted. Watched a match earlier, ball played in, player catches it and then drops it but the ref already awarded him the mark therefore he gets a free in? Horseshit

That's nothing to do with the rule, the problem there is the ref.

If he catches the ball clean in air but on way down drops it, it's a mark. The problem is people not knowing the rules?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 02, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 02, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
This advance mark rule the shíttest rule ever concocted. Watched a match earlier, ball played in, player catches it and then drops it but the ref already awarded him the mark therefore he gets a free in? Horseshit

That's nothing to do with the rule, the problem there is the ref.

If he catches the ball clean in air but on way down drops it, it's a mark. The problem is people not knowing the rules?
I would have assumed the player would have to land safely with ball in hand, in order for it to qualify as a clean catch.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 05:44:03 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 02, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 02, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
This advance mark rule the shíttest rule ever concocted. Watched a match earlier, ball played in, player catches it and then drops it but the ref already awarded him the mark therefore he gets a free in? Horseshit

That's nothing to do with the rule, the problem there is the ref.

If he catches the ball clean in air but on way down drops it, it's a mark. The problem is people not knowing the rules?
I would have assumed the player would have to land safely with ball in hand, in order for it to qualify as a clean catch.

We were told that a clean catch, whether he hit the floor or not with the ball wasn't our concern, but hey no one will know and assume they know better, I'd a balls up today and I knew it made the wrong call with a double mark, it's going to happen!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2020, 09:24:42 PM
Is the original mark still the same? Or do you have to claim it too?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
I know it was bloody Colm Reilly but...
Conor Daly made a defensive mark late on, a schemozzle developed, Fermanagh no.24 got a yellow card and then he hopped the ball.
??????
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2020, 09:24:42 PM
Is the original mark still the same? Or do you have to claim it too?

Yes, blow for all marks, if player raises hand he's 15 seconds to shoot, or has four seconds to play without being tackled
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rudi on February 02, 2020, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
I know it was bloody Colm Reilly but...
Conor Daly made a defensive mark late on, a schemozzle developed, Fermanagh no.24 got a yellow card and then he hopped the ball.
??????

It frustrated me at the time too. However the same thing happened V Tyrone last year. We were awarded a free in after Morgan assaulted one of our players, Harney then was the second man in, free overturned to a hop ball, we end up Div 2.
In conclusion we didn't learn anything from last year, O Reilly made the correct call in accordance with the rule book.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2020, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
I know it was bloody Colm Reilly but...
Conor Daly made a defensive mark late on, a schemozzle developed, Fermanagh no.24 got a yellow card and then he hopped the ball.
??????

He wasn't awarded the mark. That's where the confusion happened. Reilly did not give it and that's when the Fermanagh player kicked it. That's when the handbags started.
I couldn't tell if it was or wasn't a mark as the ball was so close to the ground when he caught it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 04, 2020, 01:03:42 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/plans-afoot-to-curb-backchat-to-referees-979606.html

Should be some fun with the sin bin in Hurley stuff😁
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on February 04, 2020, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 04, 2020, 01:03:42 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/plans-afoot-to-curb-backchat-to-referees-979606.html

Should be some fun with the sin bin in Hurley stuff😁

john Kiely has already spoken about it, so wait for Eddie Keher to row in that's it would take away the manliness of hurling or some other dirge.

I think there's weight in allowing only two players from each team to speak to the referee and making adult games 35 minutes although I'd allow County Boards to apply bi-laws to allow them to reduce Junior/Junior B or whatever to 30 minutes to prevent auld lads still treading the boards from having a heart attack...

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 05, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 04, 2020, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 04, 2020, 01:03:42 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/plans-afoot-to-curb-backchat-to-referees-979606.html

Should be some fun with the sin bin in Hurley stuff😁

john Kiely has already spoken about it, so wait for Eddie Keher to row in that's it would take away the manliness of hurling or some other dirge.

I think there's weight in allowing only two players from each team to speak to the referee and making adult games 35 minutes although I'd allow County Boards to apply bi-laws to allow them to reduce Junior/Junior B or whatever to 30 minutes to prevent auld lads still treading the boards from having a heart attack...

Definitely I think the adult games could be increased to 35 minutes especially at the top level of club action.
Agree about allowing county boards to have it in the by-laws to keep Junior B at 30 minutes if so desired.

For the black card in hurling they should put forward a video of all the times in last year's championship where backs fouled to prevent goal-scoring chances.
They should also look at the stats in terms of how many goals were scored where the defender was already on a yellow. From what I remember there seemed to be a fair few cases in the hurling championship last year where goals were scored off backs already on a yellow. Hand to advantage to the attacking player, not the player who can kill a goal chance just by pulling a player down and taking a yellow.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on February 09, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
The mark has to go, completely killing the flow of the game, take it there can't be a change for at least another year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 09, 2020, 09:05:28 PM
Kelly the ref at Tyrone v Kerry gave the free as soon as the hand touched the shoulder of the player in possesion.
Some players (mainly those in muddy white shirts) out of habit were throwing themselves to the ground at the merest touch in order to get the free but they needn't have bothered, the ref did not need to be conned in order to call the free.

Personally I thought this worked well, just have a zero tolerance for the high hand and players in possesion will not have to con the ref, endagering themselves in the process in order to win the free.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on February 12, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Interesting debate on the Wooly podcast re time added on, with particular reference to the Dublin v Monaghan match.

The 6 minutes wasn't discussed, but the 3.30 added on after the 6 was the key issue.

I checked the recording on Sunday morning, and thought based on my understanding of the rules that the ref got it spot on.

There was a 2 minute stoppage after a Dublin score when the ref went down the other end of the pitch to book 3 players.
There was a 1.30 stoppage after an injury around the middle of the field (the one the ref should have let McManus have an advantage for, but he'd already blown too early)

I can't remember exactly, but there was at least 2, if not 3 substitutions that happened during those two stoppages which played a part in extending them. But overall 3.30 was spot on. 

Conan on the show said he counted more than 4 minutes of stoppage time, so that should have allowed Monaghan have one last attack. He added on the time Beggan took to come up and take frees during injury time.

Pat McEnenany was on to explain the actual rules:

As I thought, you don't add on time for a freetaker taking a free. That's normal playing time. If the ref judges that the player takes too long, then it's a throw ball.
But I thought that if there was a throw ball for timewasting, then the ref would add on the time wasted as extra time. But that's wrong. The only punishment is throw ball, no additional time is added (which isn't logical!)

What surprised me more is McEnenany disagreed with adding time for the bookings. That's normal playing time he said.
(Although it did remind me of a ladies semi final between Dublin and Cork about 6 or 7 years ago. Dublin 1 point behind, 45 seconds left on the clock, a Dublin girl charging forward around midfield and taken out of it. The refs blows for the free. Calls the Cork girl offer to give her a talking to and a card, which takes about 40 seconds. Clock doesn't stop and hooter blows just as Dubs take the free so the Cork booking cost them the (slim) chance they had of equalising).

Anyway, Pat's take on it was that the ref should have just added between 2.00 and 2.30 for the 3 substitutions and the 1 injury stoppage. Personally I think it's a nonsense not to stop the clock for time taken to book a player, as it would otherwise encourage players not carded to get a card in injury time as a way of defending a lead and run down the clock!

Conan had a good idea that the "Stopwatch Clock" should be brought in but only used for added time. And that it stops for every stoppage in injury time so everyone knows where they are and full value is got for the stoppage time.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 12, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Interesting debate on the Wooly podcast re time added on, with particular reference to the Dublin v Monaghan match.

The 6 minutes wasn't discussed, but the 3.30 added on after the 6 was the key issue.

I checked the recording on Sunday morning, and thought based on my understanding of the rules that the ref got it spot on.

There was a 2 minute stoppage after a Dublin score when the ref went down the other end of the pitch to book 3 players.
There was a 1.30 stoppage after an injury around the middle of the field (the one the ref should have let McManus have an advantage for, but he'd already blown too early)

I can't remember exactly, but there was at least 2, if not 3 substitutions that happened during those two stoppages which played a part in extending them. But overall 3.30 was spot on. 

Conan on the show said he counted more than 4 minutes of stoppage time, so that should have allowed Monaghan have one last attack. He added on the time Beggan took to come up and take frees during injury time.

Pat McEnenany was on to explain the actual rules:

As I thought, you don't add on time for a freetaker taking a free. That's normal playing time. If the ref judges that the player takes too long, then it's a throw ball.
But I thought that if there was a throw ball for timewasting, then the ref would add on the time wasted as extra time. But that's wrong. The only punishment is throw ball, no additional time is added (which isn't logical!)

What surprised me more is McEnenany disagreed with adding time for the bookings. That's normal playing time he said.
(Although it did remind me of a ladies semi final between Dublin and Cork about 6 or 7 years ago. Dublin 1 point behind, 45 seconds left on the clock, a Dublin girl charging forward around midfield and taken out of it. The refs blows for the free. Calls the Cork girl offer to give her a talking to and a card, which takes about 40 seconds. Clock doesn't stop and hooter blows just as Dubs take the free so the Cork booking cost them the (slim) chance they had of equalising).

Anyway, Pat's take on it was that the ref should have just added between 2.00 and 2.30 for the 3 substitutions and the 1 injury stoppage. Personally I think it's a nonsense not to stop the clock for time taken to book a player, as it would otherwise encourage players not carded to get a card in injury time as a way of defending a lead and run down the clock!

Conan had a good idea that the "Stopwatch Clock" should be brought in but only used for added time. And that it stops for every stoppage in injury time so everyone knows where they are and full value is got for the stoppage time.

I got a bit of abuse (nothing new I suppose) when doing an important championship game, the game was in extra time, 1 minute of extra time in the first ten minute period ad I added over 6/7 minutes for the second period due to 2 injuries and time wasting by the keeper (which reading above I should have hopped the ball), the injuries I stopped the clock and the subs I added the 30 seconds for each.. As you can imagine the winning team will try and play down the clock which is fair enough..

But I was showing my watch the whole time to the players, the supporters on the other hand are watching a clock with the score board wondering WTF! I'd be happy enough for a hotter to do the timing. completely out of my hands then, and would reduce the complaining that goes on during the game, but how do we ensure no one abuses that?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 12, 2020, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 12, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Interesting debate on the Wooly podcast re time added on, with particular reference to the Dublin v Monaghan match.

The 6 minutes wasn't discussed, but the 3.30 added on after the 6 was the key issue.

I checked the recording on Sunday morning, and thought based on my understanding of the rules that the ref got it spot on.

There was a 2 minute stoppage after a Dublin score when the ref went down the other end of the pitch to book 3 players.
There was a 1.30 stoppage after an injury around the middle of the field (the one the ref should have let McManus have an advantage for, but he'd already blown too early)

I can't remember exactly, but there was at least 2, if not 3 substitutions that happened during those two stoppages which played a part in extending them. But overall 3.30 was spot on. 

Conan on the show said he counted more than 4 minutes of stoppage time, so that should have allowed Monaghan have one last attack. He added on the time Beggan took to come up and take frees during injury time.

Pat McEnenany was on to explain the actual rules:

As I thought, you don't add on time for a freetaker taking a free. That's normal playing time. If the ref judges that the player takes too long, then it's a throw ball.
But I thought that if there was a throw ball for timewasting, then the ref would add on the time wasted as extra time. But that's wrong. The only punishment is throw ball, no additional time is added (which isn't logical!)

What surprised me more is McEnenany disagreed with adding time for the bookings. That's normal playing time he said.
(Although it did remind me of a ladies semi final between Dublin and Cork about 6 or 7 years ago. Dublin 1 point behind, 45 seconds left on the clock, a Dublin girl charging forward around midfield and taken out of it. The refs blows for the free. Calls the Cork girl offer to give her a talking to and a card, which takes about 40 seconds. Clock doesn't stop and hooter blows just as Dubs take the free so the Cork booking cost them the (slim) chance they had of equalising).

Anyway, Pat's take on it was that the ref should have just added between 2.00 and 2.30 for the 3 substitutions and the 1 injury stoppage. Personally I think it's a nonsense not to stop the clock for time taken to book a player, as it would otherwise encourage players not carded to get a card in injury time as a way of defending a lead and run down the clock!

Conan had a good idea that the "Stopwatch Clock" should be brought in but only used for added time. And that it stops for every stoppage in injury time so everyone knows where they are and full value is got for the stoppage time.
As the rules stand now McEnaney is spot on, he is the knowledgeable one.
The biggest blooper that the ref made in added time was to blow the whistle immediately when McAnespie was fouled.
And I'd say everyone and their dog thought the ref would blow up just before the last play.

Agreed on the issue with refs taking up valuable game time with useless lengthy pedantic disciplinary discussions with a crafty culprit,  especially with a game still to be won in added time.



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
To settle the lengthy time of discipline on the 'fouler' is by brandish the card, take his number and blow whistle to play on.

This, bringing the player towards you talking and brandishing the card is not needed. The ref has the team sheet with names and numbers already.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on February 12, 2020, 10:59:19 PM
When the clock hits 70 minutes there will be no more substitutes allowed and no cards will be issued.

Clock or Play will not stop for injuries either...treat them on the field.

Frees must be taken within 30 seconds, otherwise hop the ball.

Game will end when the ball goes out of play after the time expires (like rugby).

For any boxing, grappling or whatever, ref just points them to the line...just like the old days...no need to take names or anything...off you go and play resumes quickly.

Time to put the word "sport" back into our game.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on February 12, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
BH, what about when Dublin forwards held the six Mayo defenders last kickout  in the AI final 2 years ago? Does the ref send 12 men off? And how could he even see them all at same time?

People moaned about Tyrone player grappling at Clifford and him unfairly getting the line. You can't have six players unfairly getting the line too.

I do agree though, come the 70 minutes, no subs allowed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ball Hopper on February 12, 2020, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 12, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
BH, what about when Dublin forwards held the six Mayo defenders last kickout  in the AI final 2 years ago? Does the ref send 12 men off? And how could he even see them all at same time?

People moaned about Tyrone player grappling at Clifford and him unfairly getting the line. You can't have six players unfairly getting the line too.

I do agree though, come the 70 minutes, no subs allowed.

Send them all off...won't happen again if it causes the losing of the game.  Ref plus 2 linesmen plus 4 umpires should see most of it.

It will be in place well before an All-Ireland final anyway...the first or second league game could see a flood of dismissals after the 70 mins are up. 

Teams will adapt to the rules (or take advantage of them not being applied evenly)...up to the refs to be properly trained, assessed and bad decisions eliminated from their performance as the year goes on. 



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on February 13, 2020, 06:17:46 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on February 12, 2020, 10:59:19 PM
When the clock hits 70 minutes there will be no more substitutes allowed and no cards will be issued.

Clock or Play will not stop for injuries either...treat them on the field.

Frees must be taken within 30 seconds, otherwise hop the ball.

Game will end when the ball goes out of play after the time expires (like rugby).

For any boxing, grappling or whatever, ref just points them to the line...just like the old days...no need to take names or anything...off you go and play resumes quickly.

Time to put the word "sport" back into our game.

And that would help the situation in what way?

If a team is up by a point and I head down the field to start grappling with the opposition star player and we both get the line surely that will only help my team and the other team are missing their star player for the 7mins of injury time?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 13, 2020, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
To settle the lengthy time of discipline on the 'fouler' is by brandish the card, take his number and blow whistle to play on.

This, bringing the player towards you talking and brandishing the card is not needed. The ref has the team sheet with names and numbers already.
In Mc'Anespie's case the ref did not even need to blow the whistle but allow the 5 seconds advantage.
Brannigan's refereeing instinct is an example of old school, dogmatically applied.

In a game where two teams were giving their all and flat out for victory, he then decided to allow an extra 30 seconds for himself to book McManus who was complaining about his officiousness.


 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 13, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.

Quelle Surprise.

QuoteGAA insist time keeping is not a major issue in games
No plans for review despite accusations of inconsistency by Meath boss
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 01:00
Seán Moran

The GAA have no plans to review time keeping procedures after criticism from Meath manager Andy McEntee of the lack of added time played in his team's narrow defeat by Mayo in Navan.

Feargal McGill, the GAA's Head of Games Administration, said that he was happy with the standard of time keeping, which was overhauled a few years ago in order to address time wasting. As a result, matches frequently run up to the 76th and 77th minutes.

"I have to say that I think there's a high standard of consistency at the moment from our officials in how they apply the rules on time. We have minimum allowances for substitutions and regulations that were introduced at the start of 2016 to ensure that adequate additional time was being played.

"I don't think you have the situation where people are walking away from matches every week complaining about the amount of time being played or not played.

"There have been high-profile incidents recently of referees playing way over the announced time – the Kilcoo game [All-Ireland club football final against Corofin] and the Dublin game [last Saturday] and if you look at both of those games you'd see that the referee got it right."

McEntee's unhappiness was made clear to print, digital and broadcast media after the match when he contrasted how his team had been granted no additional time beyond the announced four minutes with Dublin's experience on Saturday night. Both he and his players seemed to anticipate a further opportunity to equalise after Thomas Reilly had cut the deficit to a point.

"I can't believe – the amount of breaks that were there in those four minutes of extra-time and we don't play two seconds of extra-time? Dublin got two minutes last night [Saturday] to get an equalising score. There's a level of inconsistency all over the place. And they want referees to get respect. They've got to show a little bit too.

"It's one rule for the Dublin's and the bigger names in this world and it's a different rule for everybody else."

He referred to an incident in which Mayo replacement Bryan Walsh had been down injured during additional time.

"He's supposed to play on . . ." he said of Tyrone referee Seán Hurson. "I mean if that guy is lying down on the ground for 30 seconds holding his head – 30 seconds, you get two scores in 30 seconds"

The Meath manager had grounds for grievance in that instance. Four minutes were announced as injury-time but whereas the injury stopped play for 35 seconds, the clock stopped at four minutes 10 seconds after O'Reilly's score.

Down referee Ciarán Branagan added three minutes to the announced six at Croke Park on Saturday, enabling Dublin to close a six-point deficit by the 79th minute. Most observers accept that the match had been held up for that amount of time, as the referee administered some cards, injuries were treated and replacements took to the field.

McGill contends however that referees are far more aware of the need to address deliberate time wasting.

"When the board goes up for five minutes' additional time and teams are trying to run down the clock and as a reaction to that, referees are now way more conscious of the fact that there needs to be at least five minutes of injury-time. People at matches know the phrase, 'there'll be at least five minutes additional time'."

Seven years ago, a motion to congress was successful in introducing the countdown clock familiar from women's football. But after trialling the idea in third-level college's fixtures, the GAA decided not to proceed after identifying what were seen as shortcomings in the system.

As a result, the 2013 amendment was deleted at a subsequent Congress.

The misgivings about the time-keeping system that has proved successful in the women's game were based on reputational damage to the association, according to the report presented to Central Council:

"As part of the two trials of the clock/hooter system conducted, a number of concerns were raised by those who witnessed the trials in action with regard to the impact the introduction of the clock and hooter might have on the playing of our games.

"These included operating officials, referees, players, mentors and spectators. These concerns – along with the suggested protocol for implementation – were also presented to Central Council delegates. In the main, the concerns centred on potential damage to the reputation of association:

These included human error or failure to operate it properly, system failure, prevalence of 'fouling down' the clock, the playing of 'keep ball' when the clock was in view and deliberate concession of possession in order to make the ball go dead."


There are no plans to revisit the idea.

Article from the Irish Times a few days back.

Regarding the first bit in bold I don't think I've been at any tight game in the last few years at every level where timekeeping wasn't raised as an issue afterwards.
It's a consistent theme be in club, school or intercounty where the score is tight.

The second bit in bold shows the flimsiness of the case against a hooter system given all the arguements listed here against it already occur.
I argue that more reputational damage is being done by continuing on with the current system.
It's as certain as rain is wet there will be countless more tight games where the ref's timekeeping comes up as an issue until eventually a hooter system is adopted.

The key argument in favour of a hooter system is the blatant evidence of the women's game where the hooter system works so well in literally thousands of games.

I'd love to hear those who have adopted the "yerra things are grand" approach like Feargal here make the case as to why things would not be better with a hooter system like the women's game.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 13, 2020, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.
Perhaps David needs to communicate better to Brannigan that the time a ref spends running after players, explaining the nature of the offence in great detail, finally booking players and the time players use to take a free kick is not time to be added on,  especially when Dublin are in dire straits.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dubhaltach on February 13, 2020, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 13, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.

Quelle Surprise.

QuoteGAA insist time keeping is not a major issue in games
No plans for review despite accusations of inconsistency by Meath boss
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 01:00
Seán Moran

The GAA have no plans to review time keeping procedures after criticism from Meath manager Andy McEntee of the lack of added time played in his team's narrow defeat by Mayo in Navan.

Feargal McGill, the GAA's Head of Games Administration, said that he was happy with the standard of time keeping, which was overhauled a few years ago in order to address time wasting. As a result, matches frequently run up to the 76th and 77th minutes.

"I have to say that I think there's a high standard of consistency at the moment from our officials in how they apply the rules on time. We have minimum allowances for substitutions and regulations that were introduced at the start of 2016 to ensure that adequate additional time was being played.

"I don't think you have the situation where people are walking away from matches every week complaining about the amount of time being played or not played.

"There have been high-profile incidents recently of referees playing way over the announced time – the Kilcoo game [All-Ireland club football final against Corofin] and the Dublin game [last Saturday] and if you look at both of those games you'd see that the referee got it right."

McEntee's unhappiness was made clear to print, digital and broadcast media after the match when he contrasted how his team had been granted no additional time beyond the announced four minutes with Dublin's experience on Saturday night. Both he and his players seemed to anticipate a further opportunity to equalise after Thomas Reilly had cut the deficit to a point.

"I can't believe – the amount of breaks that were there in those four minutes of extra-time and we don't play two seconds of extra-time? Dublin got two minutes last night [Saturday] to get an equalising score. There's a level of inconsistency all over the place. And they want referees to get respect. They've got to show a little bit too.

"It's one rule for the Dublin's and the bigger names in this world and it's a different rule for everybody else."

He referred to an incident in which Mayo replacement Bryan Walsh had been down injured during additional time.

"He's supposed to play on . . ." he said of Tyrone referee Seán Hurson. "I mean if that guy is lying down on the ground for 30 seconds holding his head – 30 seconds, you get two scores in 30 seconds"

The Meath manager had grounds for grievance in that instance. Four minutes were announced as injury-time but whereas the injury stopped play for 35 seconds, the clock stopped at four minutes 10 seconds after O'Reilly's score.

Down referee Ciarán Branagan added three minutes to the announced six at Croke Park on Saturday, enabling Dublin to close a six-point deficit by the 79th minute. Most observers accept that the match had been held up for that amount of time, as the referee administered some cards, injuries were treated and replacements took to the field.

McGill contends however that referees are far more aware of the need to address deliberate time wasting.

"When the board goes up for five minutes' additional time and teams are trying to run down the clock and as a reaction to that, referees are now way more conscious of the fact that there needs to be at least five minutes of injury-time. People at matches know the phrase, 'there'll be at least five minutes additional time'."

Seven years ago, a motion to congress was successful in introducing the countdown clock familiar from women's football. But after trialling the idea in third-level college's fixtures, the GAA decided not to proceed after identifying what were seen as shortcomings in the system.

As a result, the 2013 amendment was deleted at a subsequent Congress.

The misgivings about the time-keeping system that has proved successful in the women's game were based on reputational damage to the association, according to the report presented to Central Council:

"As part of the two trials of the clock/hooter system conducted, a number of concerns were raised by those who witnessed the trials in action with regard to the impact the introduction of the clock and hooter might have on the playing of our games.

"These included operating officials, referees, players, mentors and spectators. These concerns – along with the suggested protocol for implementation – were also presented to Central Council delegates. In the main, the concerns centred on potential damage to the reputation of association:

These included human error or failure to operate it properly, system failure, prevalence of 'fouling down' the clock, the playing of 'keep ball' when the clock was in view and deliberate concession of possession in order to make the ball go dead."


There are no plans to revisit the idea.

Article from the Irish Times a few days back.

Regarding the first bit in bold I don't think I've been at any tight game in the last few years at every level where timekeeping wasn't raised as an issue afterwards.
It's a consistent theme be in club, school or intercounty where the score is tight.


The second bit in bold shows the flimsiness of the case against a hooter system given all the arguements listed here against it already occur.
I argue that more reputational damage is being done by continuing on with the current system.
It's as certain as rain is wet there will be countless more tight games where the ref's timekeeping comes up as an issue until eventually a hooter system is adopted.

The key argument in favour of a hooter system is the blatant evidence of the women's game where the hooter system works so well in literally thousands of games.

I'd love to hear those who have adopted the "yerra things are grand" approach like Feargal here make the case as to why things would not be better with a hooter system like the women's game.

Well said.

This just further highlights the absolute disconnect between the top brass of the GAA and the grassroots. I mean is this fella watching games at all? It's an issue that crops up on most weekends!

Here's another quote from Feargal McGill '"The game (Kildare v Mayo) has been fixed for 7pm in Croke Park, and that is not going to change under any circumstances". A common theme is digging the heels in despite all of the evidence telling you that you're wrong. Like the Newbridge episode, they'll eventually buckle on the stopclock but only after pressure is put on. Always reactive and never proactive.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 13, 2020, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 13, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.

Quelle Surprise.

QuoteGAA insist time keeping is not a major issue in games
No plans for review despite accusations of inconsistency by Meath boss
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 01:00
Seán Moran

The GAA have no plans to review time keeping procedures after criticism from Meath manager Andy McEntee of the lack of added time played in his team's narrow defeat by Mayo in Navan.

Feargal McGill, the GAA's Head of Games Administration, said that he was happy with the standard of time keeping, which was overhauled a few years ago in order to address time wasting. As a result, matches frequently run up to the 76th and 77th minutes.

"I have to say that I think there's a high standard of consistency at the moment from our officials in how they apply the rules on time. We have minimum allowances for substitutions and regulations that were introduced at the start of 2016 to ensure that adequate additional time was being played.

"I don't think you have the situation where people are walking away from matches every week complaining about the amount of time being played or not played.

"There have been high-profile incidents recently of referees playing way over the announced time – the Kilcoo game [All-Ireland club football final against Corofin] and the Dublin game [last Saturday] and if you look at both of those games you'd see that the referee got it right."

McEntee's unhappiness was made clear to print, digital and broadcast media after the match when he contrasted how his team had been granted no additional time beyond the announced four minutes with Dublin's experience on Saturday night. Both he and his players seemed to anticipate a further opportunity to equalise after Thomas Reilly had cut the deficit to a point.

"I can't believe – the amount of breaks that were there in those four minutes of extra-time and we don't play two seconds of extra-time? Dublin got two minutes last night [Saturday] to get an equalising score. There's a level of inconsistency all over the place. And they want referees to get respect. They've got to show a little bit too.

"It's one rule for the Dublin's and the bigger names in this world and it's a different rule for everybody else."

He referred to an incident in which Mayo replacement Bryan Walsh had been down injured during additional time.

"He's supposed to play on . . ." he said of Tyrone referee Seán Hurson. "I mean if that guy is lying down on the ground for 30 seconds holding his head – 30 seconds, you get two scores in 30 seconds"

The Meath manager had grounds for grievance in that instance. Four minutes were announced as injury-time but whereas the injury stopped play for 35 seconds, the clock stopped at four minutes 10 seconds after O'Reilly's score.

Down referee Ciarán Branagan added three minutes to the announced six at Croke Park on Saturday, enabling Dublin to close a six-point deficit by the 79th minute. Most observers accept that the match had been held up for that amount of time, as the referee administered some cards, injuries were treated and replacements took to the field.

McGill contends however that referees are far more aware of the need to address deliberate time wasting.

"When the board goes up for five minutes' additional time and teams are trying to run down the clock and as a reaction to that, referees are now way more conscious of the fact that there needs to be at least five minutes of injury-time. People at matches know the phrase, 'there'll be at least five minutes additional time'."

Seven years ago, a motion to congress was successful in introducing the countdown clock familiar from women's football. But after trialling the idea in third-level college's fixtures, the GAA decided not to proceed after identifying what were seen as shortcomings in the system.

As a result, the 2013 amendment was deleted at a subsequent Congress.

The misgivings about the time-keeping system that has proved successful in the women's game were based on reputational damage to the association, according to the report presented to Central Council:

"As part of the two trials of the clock/hooter system conducted, a number of concerns were raised by those who witnessed the trials in action with regard to the impact the introduction of the clock and hooter might have on the playing of our games.

"These included operating officials, referees, players, mentors and spectators. These concerns – along with the suggested protocol for implementation – were also presented to Central Council delegates. In the main, the concerns centred on potential damage to the reputation of association:

These included human error or failure to operate it properly, system failure, prevalence of 'fouling down' the clock, the playing of 'keep ball' when the clock was in view and deliberate concession of possession in order to make the ball go dead."


There are no plans to revisit the idea.

Article from the Irish Times a few days back.

Regarding the first bit in bold I don't think I've been at any tight game in the last few years at every level where timekeeping wasn't raised as an issue afterwards.
It's a consistent theme be in club, school or intercounty where the score is tight.


The second bit in bold shows the flimsiness of the case against a hooter system given all the arguements listed here against it already occur.
I argue that more reputational damage is being done by continuing on with the current system.
It's as certain as rain is wet there will be countless more tight games where the ref's timekeeping comes up as an issue until eventually a hooter system is adopted.

The key argument in favour of a hooter system is the blatant evidence of the women's game where the hooter system works so well in literally thousands of games.

I'd love to hear those who have adopted the "yerra things are grand" approach like Feargal here make the case as to why things would not be better with a hooter system like the women's game.

Well said.

This just further highlights the absolute disconnect between the top brass of the GAA and the grassroots. I mean is this fella watching games at all? It's an issue that crops up on most weekends!

I walk away from a match with few thoughts, we could have played better, we were brilliant, can't remember last time I walked away from a game as a supporter going, flip sake, we should have had 2 more minutes there at the end!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dubhaltach on February 13, 2020, 11:01:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 13, 2020, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 13, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
Heard David Gough explaining this. The new watches the refs have cater for this and it's all done correctly to the rules. Trouble here is lack of understanding of the rules and possibly the GAA doing a poor job of communicating the actual situation.

Quelle Surprise.

QuoteGAA insist time keeping is not a major issue in games
No plans for review despite accusations of inconsistency by Meath boss
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 01:00
Seán Moran

The GAA have no plans to review time keeping procedures after criticism from Meath manager Andy McEntee of the lack of added time played in his team's narrow defeat by Mayo in Navan.

Feargal McGill, the GAA's Head of Games Administration, said that he was happy with the standard of time keeping, which was overhauled a few years ago in order to address time wasting. As a result, matches frequently run up to the 76th and 77th minutes.

"I have to say that I think there's a high standard of consistency at the moment from our officials in how they apply the rules on time. We have minimum allowances for substitutions and regulations that were introduced at the start of 2016 to ensure that adequate additional time was being played.

"I don't think you have the situation where people are walking away from matches every week complaining about the amount of time being played or not played.

"There have been high-profile incidents recently of referees playing way over the announced time – the Kilcoo game [All-Ireland club football final against Corofin] and the Dublin game [last Saturday] and if you look at both of those games you'd see that the referee got it right."

McEntee's unhappiness was made clear to print, digital and broadcast media after the match when he contrasted how his team had been granted no additional time beyond the announced four minutes with Dublin's experience on Saturday night. Both he and his players seemed to anticipate a further opportunity to equalise after Thomas Reilly had cut the deficit to a point.

"I can't believe – the amount of breaks that were there in those four minutes of extra-time and we don't play two seconds of extra-time? Dublin got two minutes last night [Saturday] to get an equalising score. There's a level of inconsistency all over the place. And they want referees to get respect. They've got to show a little bit too.

"It's one rule for the Dublin's and the bigger names in this world and it's a different rule for everybody else."

He referred to an incident in which Mayo replacement Bryan Walsh had been down injured during additional time.

"He's supposed to play on . . ." he said of Tyrone referee Seán Hurson. "I mean if that guy is lying down on the ground for 30 seconds holding his head – 30 seconds, you get two scores in 30 seconds"

The Meath manager had grounds for grievance in that instance. Four minutes were announced as injury-time but whereas the injury stopped play for 35 seconds, the clock stopped at four minutes 10 seconds after O'Reilly's score.

Down referee Ciarán Branagan added three minutes to the announced six at Croke Park on Saturday, enabling Dublin to close a six-point deficit by the 79th minute. Most observers accept that the match had been held up for that amount of time, as the referee administered some cards, injuries were treated and replacements took to the field.

McGill contends however that referees are far more aware of the need to address deliberate time wasting.

"When the board goes up for five minutes' additional time and teams are trying to run down the clock and as a reaction to that, referees are now way more conscious of the fact that there needs to be at least five minutes of injury-time. People at matches know the phrase, 'there'll be at least five minutes additional time'."

Seven years ago, a motion to congress was successful in introducing the countdown clock familiar from women's football. But after trialling the idea in third-level college's fixtures, the GAA decided not to proceed after identifying what were seen as shortcomings in the system.

As a result, the 2013 amendment was deleted at a subsequent Congress.

The misgivings about the time-keeping system that has proved successful in the women's game were based on reputational damage to the association, according to the report presented to Central Council:

"As part of the two trials of the clock/hooter system conducted, a number of concerns were raised by those who witnessed the trials in action with regard to the impact the introduction of the clock and hooter might have on the playing of our games.

"These included operating officials, referees, players, mentors and spectators. These concerns – along with the suggested protocol for implementation – were also presented to Central Council delegates. In the main, the concerns centred on potential damage to the reputation of association:

These included human error or failure to operate it properly, system failure, prevalence of 'fouling down' the clock, the playing of 'keep ball' when the clock was in view and deliberate concession of possession in order to make the ball go dead."


There are no plans to revisit the idea.

Article from the Irish Times a few days back.

Regarding the first bit in bold I don't think I've been at any tight game in the last few years at every level where timekeeping wasn't raised as an issue afterwards.
It's a consistent theme be in club, school or intercounty where the score is tight.


The second bit in bold shows the flimsiness of the case against a hooter system given all the arguements listed here against it already occur.
I argue that more reputational damage is being done by continuing on with the current system.
It's as certain as rain is wet there will be countless more tight games where the ref's timekeeping comes up as an issue until eventually a hooter system is adopted.

The key argument in favour of a hooter system is the blatant evidence of the women's game where the hooter system works so well in literally thousands of games.

I'd love to hear those who have adopted the "yerra things are grand" approach like Feargal here make the case as to why things would not be better with a hooter system like the women's game.

Well said.

This just further highlights the absolute disconnect between the top brass of the GAA and the grassroots. I mean is this fella watching games at all? It's an issue that crops up on most weekends!

I walk away from a match with few thoughts, we could have played better, we were brilliant, can't remember last time I walked away from a game as a supporter going, flip sake, we should have had 2 more minutes there at the end!
The thoughts you refer to are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
i made this comment on the dublin monaghan thread but with the added time etc. at the end took over discussion.

i believe there was a sub made after monaghan won a mark in 2nd half (mcmanus i think). is this correct can you make a sub after a mark?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
i made this comment on the dublin monaghan thread but with the added time etc. at the end took over discussion.

i believe there was a sub made after monaghan won a mark in 2nd half (mcmanus i think). is this correct can you make a sub after a mark?
Are you asking if a mark constitutes a break in play where a sub can be made?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
yes, thats my question. apologies for being unclear.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 08:48:24 PM
I can see your point though (ie. if it is your point), if it was the case that McManus made the mark and the Monaghan momentum was halted in order to allow the crafty Dubs to make a substitution, thereby nullifying the honestly won advantage.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I thought the mark lasts 15 seconds so the advantage could have been seen to be with mcmanus also.

if it is only 15 seconds then its not a break in play in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I thought the mark lasts 15 seconds so the advantage could have been seen to be with mcmanus also.

if it is only 15 seconds then its not a break in play in my opinion.
The mark is only a 5 seconds break if the player chooses to take the free kick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on February 19, 2020, 10:00:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I thought the mark lasts 15 seconds so the advantage could have been seen to be with mcmanus also.

if it is only 15 seconds then its not a break in play in my opinion.
The mark is only a 5 seconds break if the player chooses to take the free kick.
pretty sure its 15. at least thats what we have been told for the new rules this year. was 5 last year afaik
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
15 secs yes. And ref's have been instructed to give the player taking a mark a couple of steps to decide if he wishes to take the mark ie put his hand up
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
is there also guidance about not signalling the mark and playing on. you cannot be tackled for 4 steps or length of time it takes to take 4 steps.

if this happens in the large rectangle would it be a penalty or 14m free?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on February 19, 2020, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
15 secs yes. And ref's have been instructed to give the player taking a mark a couple of steps to decide if he wishes to take the mark ie put his hand up

Forwards get 15 seconds, defenders get 5 seconds. I suppose the difference being the forward is given more time as he is kicking for a point.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 19, 2020, 10:00:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I thought the mark lasts 15 seconds so the advantage could have been seen to be with mcmanus also.

if it is only 15 seconds then its not a break in play in my opinion.
The mark is only a 5 seconds break if the player chooses to take the free kick.
pretty sure its 15. at least thats what we have been told for the new rules this year. was 5 last year afaik

Yup it was increased from 5 seconds to 15 seconds when the updated rules came in this year.

The latest version of the rule book on GAA.ie still hasn't been updated with the new rules (there's no mention of the attacking mark anywhere in it)
This is seriously shoddy stuff from the GAA - change the rules, but don't actually bother to update the rule-book on the organisation's web-site.

Based on last year's rules, I think a team is allowed make a substitution when a mark from a kickout is caught and the player opts not to play on because the wording indicates that not playing on is calling "taking a free kick " and free kicks are regarded as a break in play, during which substitutions are allowed.

QuoteA Substitution may only be made during a break in play, after the player has given a substitution note to the Referee, or in the case of a InterCounty Senior game, to the Sideline Official.

This shall also apply to a Temporary Substitution allowed under Rule 1.5 (b), Rules of Control -
Injuries: Blood.

A break in play shall be when the play is stopped after a score or wide or for a free, sideline puck/ kick or when the Referee has stopped play for medical attention to an injured player.

QuoteMark
When a player catches the ball cleanly from a Kick-Out without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the Kick-Out point, he shall be awarded a 'Mark' by the Referee.  The player awarded a 'Mark' shall have the options of (a) Taking a free kick or (b) Playing on immediately
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
Okay, the advanced mark is 15 secs and  your everyday plain mark is still 5 seconds.
Both still don't constitute a break in play so that a substitution can be made,  do they?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
is there also guidance about not signalling the mark and playing on. you cannot be tackled for 4 steps or length of time it takes to take 4 steps.

if this happens in the large rectangle would it be a penalty or 14m free?

You can only shadow the attacker for the 4 steps , if you lay a hand on him in the large rectangle (during the 4 steps) , it's a penalty.

Quote from: lenny on February 19, 2020, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
15 secs yes. And ref's have been instructed to give the player taking a mark a couple of steps to decide if he wishes to take the mark ie put his hand up

Forwards get 15 seconds, defenders get 5 seconds. I suppose the difference being the forward is given more time as he is kicking for a point.

Aye, that's it. If the player taking the mark gets injured in the process, the nearest player takes the free. So get your free taker sprinting over if its a level game with a minute or 2 to go!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
is there also guidance about not signalling the mark and playing on. you cannot be tackled for 4 steps or length of time it takes to take 4 steps.

if this happens in the large rectangle would it be a penalty or 14m free?

Penalty - see the link here
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/guide-to-new-the-gaelic-football-playing-rules/

At the moment it's a penalty but the Standing Rules Committee have a motion that will be voted at the Annual Congress on the 29th that would allow defenders to tackle a player who makes an attacking mark in either the large or small rectangle immediately i.e no 4 steps allowance. The Standing Rules Committee continue to cover themselves in glory.
I haven't see the actual wording of this further updating to the advanced mark rule so not sure if it's large or small rectangle.

Also coming up with wording might be a bit tricky in terms of what happens when a player makes a mark just outside the area (be it large or small rectangle) and plays on - where exactly would the defender be allowed tackle him - when the ball comes into the area or would he have to wait for the player to enter the area. Even if the wording is clear it will most likely be an absolute nightmare of a rule for refs to make a call on, and the punishment for a defending team who breaks the rule is a penalty, expect controversy on this one.

Also pondering it a bit you could you see lads deliberatly staying outside the area so they don't get tackled but rather set their bodies to tap over an easy point or even worse the dreaded fisted point - it's possible this advantage mark will increase the logic of taking the fisted points in certain situations  - for instance in the last few minutes of a drawn game -  lad goes up catches ball outside the square, plays on, stays outside the area and uses his four unchallended steps to handpasss the ball at his ease over the bar.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2020, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
Okay, the advanced mark is 15 secs and  your everyday plain mark is still 5 seconds.
Both still don't constitute a break in play so that a substitution can be made,  do they?

Nope 15 seconds for all marks now.

If the player opts to play on, its not a break in play and substitutions aren't allowed.
If the player stops and takes the kick, it is a break in play and substitutions are allowed.

Quote2: For all marks (the advance mark and the kickout mark) the following provisions apply; the player will now be allowed 15 seconds to take the mark (it was 5 seconds previously). The opposing players must retreat 13m (it was 10m previously).

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/guide-to-new-the-gaelic-football-playing-rules/
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2020, 11:23:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 19, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
is there also guidance about not signalling the mark and playing on. you cannot be tackled for 4 steps or length of time it takes to take 4 steps.

if this happens in the large rectangle would it be a penalty or 14m free?

You can only shadow the attacker for the 4 steps , if you lay a hand on him in the large rectangle (during the 4 steps) , it's a penalty.

Quote from: lenny on February 19, 2020, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
15 secs yes. And ref's have been instructed to give the player taking a mark a couple of steps to decide if he wishes to take the mark ie put his hand up

Forwards get 15 seconds, defenders get 5 seconds. I suppose the difference being the forward is given more time as he is kicking for a point.

Aye, that's it. If the player taking the mark gets injured in the process, the nearest player takes the free. So get your free taker sprinting over if its a level game with a minute or 2 to go!

Can see there being shenanigans with this one.
Last play of a drawn All-Ireland Tommy Walsh goes up among a scrum of players and hauls down a mark.
Gets injured in the process of landing.
Ref has to figure which Kerry player was the nearest to him.
In a scrum of moving jumping players, picking the nearest could be a right game of pin the tail on the donkey.
Is it nearest when he catches the ball in the air or when he lands or what happens if he goes sprawling and ends up on the gound from his leap?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bannside on February 20, 2020, 08:31:34 AM
Yesterday I read an article in the Irish News by Brendan Crossan which if someone could paste on here it would be well worth a read. The views expressed are from Antrim manager Lenny Harbinson and I havent seen or heard anything yet that resembles a solution that fixes so many problems at the one time. Probably ten years ahead of it's time, but something needs to happen or our great game will end up being a shoot out between three or four counties and everyone else bankrupt in chasing a prize that is unattainable.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on February 20, 2020, 08:40:06 AM
Both articles


DO away with pre-season competitions.

Rip up the National League and blend it in with the championship.

Give teams more exposure to those above them and try to level the playing field by allowing the rising tide to lift the boats that most need lifted.

That is the general thrust of how Lenny Harbinson views the footballing landscape. It has, over the last 15 years, become very lop-sided.

Go back a decade, back to when Harbinson was guiding St Gall's to an All-Ireland club title.

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The National League system has produced some extraordinary entertainment, but has it also produced a series of heavier ceilings that the teams beneath just cannot crack?

For Harbinson, the answer is to mash up the league and combine it with the championship in a new format altogether.


"Take all the provincial championships away and say we're going into four groups of eight. Blend the league into the championship," says the Antrim manager.

"The top four teams in each group go straight into the top tier knockout. Start it in January, and do away with the Mickey Mouse competitions.

"Come April, the top four go and play for Sam Maguire, the bottom four go into a second tier competition. You could seed it, two from Division One in each group, two from Division Two, and so on.

"You're giving everybody a go at playing against teams, some who will be at their level, some who will be better. Some days you'll compete, some days you'll get a trouncing, but you'd hope that the rising tide would lift all boats and bring your standard up.

"If you don't get in the top four, the secondary competition is there and run off side-by-side with the primary competition.

"Something like that would have worked a lot better. Instead, because you're Division Three or Four, you're shoehorned into a secondary competition and given no chance to affect that."

His plans can be seen on the opposite page.

The basic rundown is that the pre-season competitions are dropped, the League is brought forward into early January and played off as a double-round competition across the next 17 weeks.

It's split up into something resembling the old 1A/1B/2A/2B system, with the current standings used as seedings to split the 32 teams into four groups.

The top four at the end of each group go into the All-Ireland SFC and the bottom four go into the All-Ireland IFC. Both are played concurrently and both are straight knockout, with an open draw.

It's all over by the end of June and each county has played a minimum of 16 games, comfortably more than the current minimum of 10. That's if you include the pre-season competitions. If not, the minimum is just nine across a season that lasts at least six months, if not eight.

All counties would be subject to a maximum spend of £500,000 per code across all their inter-county squads, from development up to senior, and must invest £100,000 into club coaching and development each year.

Counties that run into an overspend would be deducted points in the following year's competitions.

University and schools football would be played during the first term between September and December

Harbinson also suggests that the GAA be split into two sections centrally. An administrative end that looks after finances and fixtures, while another central body would be responsible for all strategic investments by any county.

The Antrim boss would do away with Congress and appoint a central GAA board that includes Tom Ryan (Director General), Ger Mulryan (finance director), as well as a handful of other directors including ones to cover coaching and administration.

"They would be responsible to a GAA shareholders' board made up of six county chairmen, six club chairmen and three independent, professional people.

"That board would have three years to plan and execute, with key measurements in place for GAA shareholders to monitor and measure progress.

"And this group would have the power to hire and fire. If hiring, they can source a chief executive with no GAA past. They only need to get the best person.

"The GAA should also run strategic courses to help counties close the gap. For example, strength and conditioning accreditations. Three people from each county attend and best practice is shared.

"County GAA coaches would have to do a professional badge, and only badge holders can coach or manage at county level, and only within their own county.

"There should also be a team of 'super coaches', maybe five groups of four people each that actually go into a failing county and spend time sharing best practice to put a recovery plan in place to help close the gap with other counties."

Harbinson also says he would do away with the four provincial councils and replace them with four paid directors who sit on the GAA's central board and each take charge of an area.

"The GAA is run like a business in Croke Park, but once you go outside the front doors, they're leaving the provinces, and then the counties within each province, to do their own things in many aspects. There's some governance but not a lot.

"Various parts of the organisation are pulling against each other. It shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for the GAA to have a strategic department, a finance department.

"They can't be in control of every nook and cranny in every county, but you delegate out and you take central control of it. They don't do that, and as we can see, costs are going up, there are overspends, and they're doing nothing about it. It's been flagged up for years."

And away on he goes, back to work. The GAA could do worse than bring him in and listen.

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LENNY'S PLAN
(Based on 2020 National Football League, with current standings taken as final positions)

- No pre-season competitions
- No provincial championships
- Championship and league blended together
- Organised in four groups of eight, without New York
- Groups seeded, with two teams from each 2020 NFL division in each group
- Double round league, fourteen games each, home and away
- Top four in each group go through to All-Ireland SFC quarter-finals
- Bottom four in each group move into All-Ireland IFC quarter-finals
- Both competitions open draw
- Two competitions run side-by-sid
- Two options for Championship dates – either May 17 to June 28, or August 9 to September 20
- All-Ireland SFC and IFC finals played on the same weekend, if not together

Groups seeded, randomly generated
Group A: Galway, Meath, Westmeath, Clare, Cork, Derry, Sligo, London
Group B: Mayo, Kerry, Laois, Kildare, Longford, Down, Carlow, Wexford
Group C: Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh, Fermanagh, Offaly, Tipperary, Antrim, Waterford
Group D: Dublin, Monaghan, Cavan, Roscommon, Leitrim, Louth, Limerick, Wicklow

Group stage fixtures
January 4/5
Group A: Meath v Galway, London v Westmeath, Sligo v Clare, Cork v Derry
Group B: Kerry v Mayo, Laois v Wexford, Kildare v Carlow, Longford v Down
Group C: Donegal v Tyrone, Armagh v Waterford, Fermanagh v Antrim, Offaly v Tipperary
Group D: Monaghan v Dublin, Cavan v Wicklow, Roscommon v Limerick, Leitrim v Louth

January 11/12
Group A: Westmeath v Clare, Galway v Sligo, London v Derry, Cork v Meath
Group B: Laois v Kildare, Mayo v Carlow, Wexford v Down, Kerry v Longford
Group C: Armagh v Fermanagh, Tyrone v Antrim, Waterford v Tipperary, Donegal v Offaly
Group D: Cavan v Roscommon, Dublin v Limerick, Wicklow v Louth, Monaghan v Leitrim

January 18/19
Group A: Sligo v Cork, London v Clare, Meath v Westmeath, Derry v Galway
Group B: Carlow v Longford, Wexford v Kildare, Kerry v Laois, Down v Mayo
Group C: Antrim v Offaly, Waterford v Fermanagh, Donegal v Armagh, Tipperary v Tyrone
Group D: Limerick v Leitrim, Wicklow v Roscommon, Monaghan v Cavan, Louth v Dublin

January 25/26
Group A: Galway v Westmeath, Clare v Meath, Cork v London, Derry v Sligo
Group B: Mayo v Laois, Kildare v Kerry, Longford v Wexford, Down v Carlow
Group C: Tyrone v Armagh, Fermanagh v Donegal, Offaly v Waterford, Tipperary v Antrim
Group D: Dublin v Cavan, Roscommon v Monaghan, Leitrim v Wicklow, Limerick v Louth

February 1/2
Break week

February 8/9
Group A: Clare v Cork, London v Galway, Meath v Sligo, Westmeath v Derry
Group B: Kildare v Longford, Wexford v Mayo, Kerry v Carlow, Laois v Down
Group C: Fermanagh v Offaly, Waterford v Tyrone, Donegal v Antrim, Armagh v Tipperary
Group D: Roscommon v Leitrim, Wicklow v Dublin, Monaghan v Limerick, Cavan v Louth

February 15/16
Group A: Derry v Meath, Sligo v London, Clare v Galway, Cork v Westmeath
Group B: Down v Kerry, Carlow v Wexford, Kildare v Mayo, Longford v Laois
Group C: Tipperary v Donegal, Antrim v Waterford, Fermanagh v Tyrone, Offaly v Armagh
Group D: Louth v Monaghan, Limerick v Wicklow, Roscommon v Dublin, Leitrim v Cavan

February 22/23
Group A: Sligo v Westmeath, London v Meath, Galway v Cork, Derry v Clare
Group B: Carlow v Laois, Wexford v Kerry, Mayo v Longford, Down v Kildare
Group C: Antrim v Armagh, Waterford v Donegal, Tyrone v Offaly, Tipperary v Fermanagh
Group D: Limerick v Cavan, Wicklow v Monaghan, Dublin v Leitrim, Louth v Roscommon

February 29 / March 1
Group A: Galway v Meath, Westmeath v London, Clare v Sligo, Derry v Cork
Group B: Mayo v Kerry, Wexford v Laois, Carlow v Kildare, Down v Longford
Group C: Tyrone v Donegal, Waterford v Armagh, Antrim v Fermanagh, Tipperary v Offaly
Group D: Dublin v Monaghan, Wicklow v Cavan, Limerick v Roscommon, Louth v Leitrim

March 7/8
Break week

March 14/15
Group A: Clare v Westmeath, Sligo v Galway, Derry v London, Meath v Cork
Group B: Kildare v Laois, Carlow v Mayo, Down v Wexford, Longford v Kerry
Group C: Fermanagh v Armagh, Antrim v Tyrone, Tipperary v Waterford, Offaly v Donegal
Group D: Roscommon v Cavan, Limerick v Dublin, Louth v Wicklow, Leitrim v Monaghan

March 21/22
Group A: Cork v Sligo, Clare v London, Westmeath v Meath, Galway v Derry
Group B: Longford v Carlow, Kildare v Wexford, Laois v Kerry, Mayo v Down
Group C: Offaly v Antrim, Fermanagh v Waterford, Armagh v Donegal, Tyrone v Tipperary
Group D: Leitrim v Limerick, Roscommon v Wicklow, Cavan v Monaghan, Dublin v Louth

March 28/29
Group A: Westmeath v Galway, Meath v Clare, London v Cork, Sligo v Derry
Group B: Laois v Mayo, Kerry v Kildare, Wexford v Longford, Carlow v Down
Group C: Armagh v Tyrone, Donegal v Fermanagh, Waterford v Offaly, Antrim v Tipperary
Group D: Cavan v Dublin, Monaghan v Roscommon, Wicklow v Leitrim, Louth v Limerick

April 4/5
Break week

April 11/12
Group A: Cork v Clare, Galway v London, Sligo v Meath, Derry v Westmeath
Group B: Longford v Kildare, Mayo v Wexford, Carlow v Kerry, Down v Laois
Group C: Offaly v Fermanagh, Tyrone v Waterford, Antrim v Donegal, Tipperary v Armagh
Group D: Leitrim v Roscommon, Dublin v Wicklow, Limerick v Monaghan, Louth v Cavan

April 18/19
Group A: Meath v Derry, London v Sligo, Galway v Clare, Westmeath v Cork
Group B: Kerry v Down, Wexford v Carlow, Mayo v Kildare, Laois v Longford
Group C: Donegal v Tipperary, Waterford v Antrim, Tyrone v Fermanagh, Armagh v Offaly
Group D: Monaghan v Louth, Wicklow v Limerick, Dublin v Roscommon, Cavan v Leitrim

April 25/26
Group A: Westmeath v Sligo, Meath v London, Cork v Galway, Clare v Derry
Group B: Laois v Carlow, Kerry v Wexford, Longford v Mayo, Kildare v Down
Group C: Armagh v Antrim, Donegal v Waterford, Offaly v Tyrone, Fermanagh v Tipperary
Group D: Cavan v Limerick, Monaghan v Wicklow, Leitrim v Dublin, Roscommon v Louth

Championship schedule
- Either May 17 to June 28, or August 9 to September 20
- If May / June, club fixtures come in straight after inter-county championships end
- If August / September, inter-county teams break on April 26 and club league fixtures are played through May, June and early July, with club championships played from September 27 onwards

May 2/3: Break week

May 9/10: Break week

May 16/17
All-Ireland SFC and IFC round one (lowest ranked team at home where applicable)
All-Ireland SFC: Westmeath v Galway, Donegal v Mayo, Kildare v Dublin, Fermanagh v Roscommon, Tyrone v Galway, Cavan v Armagh, Laois v Monaghan, Clare v Kerry
All-Ireland IFC: Sligo v Derry, Waterford v Offaly, Louth v Down, Carlow v Cork, Limerick v Wicklow, Wexford v Longford, London v Leitrim, Antrim v Tipperary

May 23/24: Break week

May 30/31
All-Ireland SFC and IFC quarter-finals (neutral, games paired)
All-Ireland SFC: Tyrone v Kerry, Armagh v Dublin, Monaghan v Roscommon, Galway v Donegal
All-Ireland IFC: Down v Limerick, Cork v Tipperary, Offaly v Longford, Derry v Leitrim

June 6/7: Break week

June 13/14
All-Ireland SFC and IFC semi-finals
All-Ireland SFC: Kerry v Dublin, Monaghan v Donegal
All-Ireland IFC: Down v Cork, Longford v Derry

June 20/21: Break week

June 27/28
All-Ireland SFC final: Dublin v Donegal
All-Ireland IFC final: Cork v Derry

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ANTRIM manager Lenny Harbinson believes that the GAA must deal with the growing spending on inter-county teams by not only introducing a spending cap, but also having a minimum spend on coaching and clubs.

The debate around the amount of finance county boards are putting directly into county teams has intensified since GAA director general Tom Ryan revealed last week that the 2019 figure was €30m.

That represented an increase of almost 12 per cent in a single year, and matched up to the vast majority of the €36.1m the GAA brought in from gate receipts. That figure was boosted by the €3m from an All-Ireland football final replay, as well as an increase in ticket prices last year.

Harbinson, whose team have condensed their training down to just two nights a week and are doing double sessions of gym followed by pitch, says that not only must there be a spending cap on county squads, but that county boards must be held responsible for investing in other areas.

"Have a cap at one end and a minimum spend threshold at the other," said the Saffrons' boss.

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"There should be a cap. It should be up to a value of £500,000 per code, to cover all their teams from development squads up.

"If Antrim want to spend £200,000 that's up to them, and if Dublin want to spend right up to the limit, that's ok.

"What they should be looking at is that every county, depending on their size and number of clubs, should have a minimum spend on coaching and a minimum amount going back into clubs.

"That might be £100,000. They have to show how they're putting money back into their own county, to get structures in place.


"You need to have a twin-track approach, where you can't overspend on your county teams and you must take a portion of the budget you have and make sure it's being invested in grassroots and clubs, to keep the heart of the organisation ticking over."

In a wide-ranging discussion in today's Irish News, Harbinson reveals his proposed structure for the championship and states his belief that the existence of provincial councils is one of the biggest barriers to progress in the GAA.

While accepting that some degree of spending on inter-county teams is an inevitability, Harbinson says that the four provincial bodies "have too much say... consequently, the GAA can't control things."

"For the greater good of the association, as a Gael, I don't want to see my own county or any county in financial trouble. That has big consequences.

"Similarly when you read reports about stadiums and whatever else, there are a lot of things wrong. The provincial boards probably have too much say and sway in lots of things. Consequently, the GAA can't control things.

"If you look at it from finance and fixtures, you have the tail wagging the dog. Central Council should be in control of everything and delegating it out to whatever departments, and regionalise it.

"But you have the Ulster Council and the others making their own fixtures and shoe-horning that into a national fixture list, and it's not fit for purpose in the 21st century. It's not working.

"Centralisation, with proper checks and balances, is how to run an organisation. Yes, you delegate out, but it all has to be controlled.

"All the GAA had to do was say 'thank you very much' to the provincial organisations.

"Ulster, let's say they run on a budget of £5m, to run schools, coaching, supporting the community, all of which they're very good at. I'm not saying do away with it, but what Central Council could do is take all the finances.

"They tell Ulster Council that they're granted £5m, but it's controlled centrally. Likewise do the same with the rest. Take all the provincial championships away.

"You can't do any of that while you have the provincial councils in place, controlling things, controlling fixtures, controlling stadium builds and wanting their slice of the cake."

* See P68-69 for Lenny Harbinson's plan to reshape the championship and the GAA's structures
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bannside on February 20, 2020, 08:59:22 AM
Excellent thanks. Read that again in detail. It's very hard to pick any single point and find fault with it. Superb vision. Anyone care to share their thoughts. Is this achievable or is it all too futuristic.

The bit I like best is the cap on spending on preparing county teams and more into clubs and grass roots activity. Plus...the view that provincial boards are more of a hindrance than a help. Over €5million paid out last year in salaries across the country and what we have is a fixture congestion mess, county boards going bankrupt and about three or four teams realistically chasing the big prize. Our game is in turmoil in so many levels..something drastically needs to change .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on February 20, 2020, 09:08:31 AM
Did he submit that to the Fixtures Review Committee? I know that splitting the year like that (first half county, second half club) and that format (4 groups of 8) were discussed. Think the 4 groups of 8 is one of the options on the table at Congress but the split year was not recommended by the Fixtures Review Committee though not a double round. 14 intercounty games in 17 weeks is just crazy. Leaving clubs without their stars for 6 months is not right in my opinion either, especially when they'll arrive back flaked out (most will doubtless want a break after that punishing schedule at the very least.

Personally I think moving the National football leagues, with an added knockout stage to become the Championship to the summer and provincial championships (on a round robin basis with a final) to spring would be awesome.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bannside on February 20, 2020, 09:22:46 AM
I take your point MS about county players returning burnt out to their clubs. I know it's not perfect but only 4 counties will be involved at the end of this schedule and in those counties a way should be found to give those players a week or two grace. After that for 8 counties involved in semi finals, the losers will get a month break before they are required for club duty. I understand it's not perfect but it's a massive improvement.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
I'm nearly in agreement with Seanie :o :o (2nd time in a week....this will have to stop).
I would play the Leagues Feb to July with gap weeks for the Provincials played in the traditional knockout format.
That would require 11 weekends out of 23/24 leaving time for Club weekends.
The All Ireland SFC to comprise the 4 Provincial Champions, D3 Champions, D4 Champions and either 6 or 10 highest League teams. Straight knock out from there.
If we're to have a Tier 2 call it the All Ireland IFC but limit it to teams 2 to 6 in D3 and teams 2 to 4 in D4.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on February 20, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
i've said it before but there is no point in keeping on changing the existing structures unless you know the outcome you want. hacks don't work.

what are the objectives and priorities of the changes? what do we want the gaa intercounty schedule to look like?

time for club and county fixtures at same time or not
more games against similar opposition
provisional championship system
min-max number of games per team
every team with a chance to win all ireland or not
seperate league and championship or not.
most profitable or most appealing to supporters
concurrent championship league or not

when you answer those type of questions and list them by priority then you can deliver a gaa season that meets its agree priorities and objectives.

think we have gone off topic.....
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
Off topic is right but Clubs/Counties have the Fixtures Review Committee proposals on front of them.
So over to them.
As for the forward mark... if it's to be kept it should be for an overhead catch inside the 20 and kicked from outside the 45.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on February 20, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
Off topic is right but Clubs/Counties have the Fixtures Review Committee proposals on front of them.
So over to them.
As for the forward mark... if it's to be kept it should be for an overhead catch inside the 20 and kicked from outside the 45.

To be fair the Fixtures Review Committee did a pretty good job. The review is well worth a read to understand the complexities involved. I think the proposals are pretty good in the main. Think they have outlined where they want to get to and how they propose to get there.

Unfortunately, I'd say the level of review at club and even county level isn't adequate.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
Which is a major pity.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: magpie seanie on February 20, 2020, 12:54:39 PM
Yes, it is. The GAA does lots wrong and sometimes when it does things right it gets the communication wrong. It's unfortunate and adds to the feeling of alienation most regular GAA players/officials/supporters have.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 20, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2020, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
Okay, the advanced mark is 15 secs and  your everyday plain mark is still 5 seconds.
Both still don't constitute a break in play so that a substitution can be made,  do they?

Nope 15 seconds for all marks now.

If the player opts to play on, its not a break in play and substitutions aren't allowed.
If the player stops and takes the kick, it is a break in play and substitutions are allowed.

Quote2: For all marks (the advance mark and the kickout mark) the following provisions apply; the player will now be allowed 15 seconds to take the mark (it was 5 seconds previously). The opposing players must retreat 13m (it was 10m previously).

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/guide-to-new-the-gaelic-football-playing-rules/
Thanks twohands, well explained.
Somehow the reports on the decision to change from 5 seconds to 15 seconds completely passed me by.

When it comes to timekeeping, in that not enough talked about recent Monaghan Dublin encounter, ref Brannigan rightly stopped his clock in added time  for disciplinary issues  and the one injury. Twice  he restarts play and presumably his clock also starts ticking again. On those 2 restart occcasions,  Beggan took a kickout and secondly took a 50m free. From the time the ref indicates the restart, did Beggan still have his  20 or 30 seconds alloted to take each kick?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
What's the deal with the forward mark and having to signal with the hand that you intend to take the free?

Seen it last week with Kildare where player lost the free kick from the mark because he didn't signal with the hand.

Also, can a player signal that he's taking the free from the mark, then play on or pass to a team mate? Or once signalled, he must take it?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rosnarun on March 09, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
What’s the deal with the forward mark and having to signal with the hand that you intend to take the free?

Seen it last week with Kildare where player lost the free kick from the mark because he didn’t signal with the hand.

Also, can a player signal that he’s taking the free from the mark, then play on or pass to a team mate? Or once signalled, he must take it?
qas long as he kicks it is that not the mark taken or does it have to travel a minimum distance?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
What's the deal with the forward mark and having to signal with the hand that you intend to take the free?

Seen it last week with Kildare where player lost the free kick from the mark because he didn't signal with the hand.

Also, can a player signal that he's taking the free from the mark, then play on or pass to a team mate? Or once signalled, he must take it?

The ref will blow for the forward mark, it's up to the player to signal and stop (within reason) yesterday example in a challenge game I did, the players made the mark sorta thought about a pass but settled and took the score,  had he passed the ball then it's continued play. Had he taken a few more steps then that's continued play. If he raises his hand calls mark he should kick for a score
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 10:36:29 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/a-lot-of-people-think-referees-are-getting-paid-we-get-absolutely-nothing-for-refereeing-above-in-croke-park-986874.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
What's the deal with the forward mark and having to signal with the hand that you intend to take the free?

Seen it last week with Kildare where player lost the free kick from the mark because he didn't signal with the hand.

Also, can a player signal that he's taking the free from the mark, then play on or pass to a team mate? Or once signalled, he must take it?

The ref will blow for the forward mark, it's up to the player to signal and stop (within reason) yesterday example in a challenge game I did, the players made the mark sorta thought about a pass but settled and took the score,  had he passed the ball then it's continued play. Had he taken a few more steps then that's continued play. If he raises his hand calls mark he should kick for a score

Should, or has to?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
What's the deal with the forward mark and having to signal with the hand that you intend to take the free?

Seen it last week with Kildare where player lost the free kick from the mark because he didn't signal with the hand.

Also, can a player signal that he's taking the free from the mark, then play on or pass to a team mate? Or once signalled, he must take it?

The ref will blow for the forward mark, it's up to the player to signal and stop (within reason) yesterday example in a challenge game I did, the players made the mark sorta thought about a pass but settled and took the score,  had he passed the ball then it's continued play. Had he taken a few more steps then that's continued play. If he raises his hand calls mark he should kick for a score

Should, or has to?

Has too
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.

Sorry your right, what I meant was he has to play the ball within the time, can't be a second mark though
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.

Sorry your right, what I meant was he has to play the ball within the time, can't be a second mark though

Can't wait for the club leagues to start  8)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.

Sorry your right, what I meant was he has to play the ball within the time, can't be a second mark though

Can't wait for the club leagues to start  8)

I'd two games on Sunday, a mistake in both, not life threatening at the moment but I'd say come championship it will be bedlam
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on March 11, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.

Sorry your right, what I meant was he has to play the ball within the time, can't be a second mark though

Can't wait for the club leagues to start  8)

I'd two games on Sunday, a mistake in both, not life threatening at the moment but I'd say come championship it will be bedlam

Back at the football whistling myself this year - first time in 4 years. (have been refereeing hurling)

Jaysus what has football become!
3 games in and thankfully haven't make any obvious errors but early days.

From the 3 games (senior, U18) I can see the offensive mark being an issue in big club matches.
The black card and timings will be a disaster to keep an eye on, and multiple black cards will be carnage!

Good luck to us all for 2020  :)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on March 11, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 10, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
Not the case. You don't have to shoot for a score, you can pass to another teammate but they can't call a mark from this.

Sorry your right, what I meant was he has to play the ball within the time, can't be a second mark though

Can't wait for the club leagues to start  8)

I'd two games on Sunday, a mistake in both, not life threatening at the moment but I'd say come championship it will be bedlam

Back at the football whistling myself this year - first time in 4 years. (have been refereeing hurling)

Jaysus what has football become!
3 games in and thankfully haven't make any obvious errors but early days.

From the 3 games (senior, U18) I can see the offensive mark being an issue in big club matches.
The black card and timings will be a disaster to keep an eye on, and multiple black cards will be carnage!

Good luck to us all for 2020  :)

New score card available apparently which helps, wouldn't worry too much on the timing of the black cards, the coaches will be running on with their stop watches 'informing' you
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on March 12, 2020, 12:40:55 AM
It's the advanced mark which scares me!

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: StephenC on July 06, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
Do the new rules apply to underage? How would the advance mark be figured out when not playing on a full pitch?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 06, 2020, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: StephenC on July 06, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
Do the new rules apply to underage? How would the advance mark be figured out when not playing on a full pitch?

Yes, they do.

But if a competition isn't going to follow the rulebook in terms of the dimensions of the pitch (which you are doing by playing on a reduced pitch) then I guess they can ignore whatever other rules they wish too, such as the attacking mark.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 06, 2020, 11:34:57 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?

Nope.
"Free is conceded when the goalkeeper plays the ball"
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2020, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?

If you've a player who wants to hit it back to the keeper after just receiving it for him to fist it or hoof it away then I'd take that defender off very quickly!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on July 06, 2020, 08:28:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJhI61m1DI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVwePto531c

QuoteWATCH: The new kick-out and mark rules explained
Saturday 4 July 2020

By John Harrington

The GAA has produced two videos detailing how the new kick-out, kick-out mark, and advanced mark rules will work in Gaelic Football.

These videos are just one element of an education package that should ensure all referees are up to speed with the rule changes after a long period of inaction due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

"Since Covid-19 kicked in, for most referees it's 20 weeks since we've refereed you know, and even I as a club referee, (I know) it's going to be difficult getting back to it," says the GAA's National Match Officials Manager, Donal Smyth.

"For club referees we actually sent out a video that every club referee should have got last week and that contained mental health advice, advice in relation to how to get back up the fitness, and the pathway going forward.

"This week we'll be sending out a video for hurling and football. Two separate videos that will allow them look at their new rules as part of an in-service that they can get up to date on the rules, up to date on some of the stuff for going forward in relation to the new rules.

"It'll be like their in-service they did, but it will be done with a video that they can download themselves and they can watch it back at any stage.

"They should ensure that the Referee's Administrator gets that out to them this week or especially next week before competitive games start because all the new rules are explained and it'll help them get back into thinking about the game.

"We will be getting the information out regarding the new rules on YouTube videos to county boards and to all clubs.

"In the last eight months we've have a real change. We've had the new kick out rule we've had an advance mark and all those things were played in the National League.

"But since Congress 2020 we got two more rules. We got the one in relation to the kick out and the other thing is there's a slight change in the advance mark."

The kick-out and mark rules are explained below.

Kick-out rule

The ball will be kicked from the ground from the centre of the 20M line. The ball must be kicked forward. All players shall be outside the 20 metres line, outside the semi-cirlce arc, and 13 metres from the ball.

If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he must remain within the small rectangle. The ball shall not travel less than 13 metres and outside the 20 metre line before being played by another member of the defending team.

A further change was made at GAA Congress 2020. A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to his team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.

A breach of this rule would be a technical foul by the goalkeeper. Under the new rule, this would be a free against the goalkeeper.

If a defender kicks out the ball, the rule does not prevent the ball being kicked back to this defender.


Kick-out mark and advanced mark rules

There have been some changes to the kick-out mark which will align the kick-out mark with the advanced mark. The referee awards the mark by blowing his whistle.

The player will now claim the mark by putting his arm in the air. The player now has 15 seconds to take the mark, previous it was 5 seconds.

If in exceptional circumstances the player cannot take the mark awarded from the kick-out, the nearest team-mate will take the free kick and can score from it. The defending player must retreat 13 metres from the taker, previously it was 10 metres.

The kick-out mark is also designated a set-play. With the advanced mark those conditions apply but certain things must happen for a player to be awarded a mark.

The ball must be kicked by an attacking player, not from a set play, which is a kick-out mark, side-line ball, or from a free. The ball must travel 20M or more from outside the 45M line to a player inside the 45M line. The ball must be caught cleanly without touching the ground, and a defender can claim the mark also.

The referee awards the mark by blowing his whistle and the player claims it by putting up his arm. If a player claims the mark inside the 13 Metre line the ball must be taken out to the 13 Metre line directly in line where the mark was awarded.

If the player decides to play on, as with the kick-out mark, he cannot be tackled for four steps or the length of time it takes to travel four steps and/or makes one act of kicking, hand-passing, bouncing, or toe-tapping the ball.

There is one exception to this, when the ball is caught inside the large rectangle including the small rectangle, he can be tackled immediately. This was changed at GAA Congress 2020.

I read the last line of the bit in bold and it made me a bit confused (easily done says you) - to me this looks like if a player other than a goal-keeper takes a kickout, this player can receive the ball back directly back from their team-mate. There is a rule that a keeper has to be in the small square if they are not taking the kickout.

I went to have a look at the rules and regulations on the GAA website and the actual wording of the rule is.

QuoteA player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to his team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.

The rule about the keeper not taking the kick-out is as follows.

QuoteIf the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line, outside the semicircular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.

This means that in situations where a team taking a kick-out isn't being pushed up on by the other team, they could have a defender take a short one to an unmarked defender, who could pass it back to his team-mate who could then pop it back to the goal-keeper. Seems strange that this would be allowed. It will be interesting to see if teams actually do this on occasion - there's been numerous times in games the last few years where teams haven't pushed up on the opposition's kickouts even when behind.

The tackling/no tackling/play-on four steps or equivalent is an abomination of a rule in terms of putting the referees in the firing line. I'd say if you sat down with the aim of coming up with a rule designed to shaft referees you'd be hard-pressed to do worse than this. What happens if a player catches a ball in the air inside the large rectangle but lands outside; what happens in the reverse scenario - catches the ball outside and lands inside - lands exactly on the line - lands with one foot in and one foot out. There's no clarity for all this situations and that's before you get into the situations where the ref gets it wrong. It is an inevitably that this rule will end up deciding tight games before long.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2020, 09:14:13 PM
Catches the ball, I'll take my interpretation as if he's catching not where he lands, If he lands at or out doesn't matter, it's the catching  of it for me. And a ref on his own in a club league game will call it and that will be that. Managers supporter and player will just have accept that. I know they won't and keep up with play will come into that.

Though I'd love to challenge the gobshite to a fitness test  ;D ;D

If clubs or counties are going to over elaborate their kick out to just confuse people then they need to wise up
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
1. Defender takes kickout. Kicks the ball sideways along the 21 yard line, keeper sprints out of the square to pick up the ball and proceed upfield. Is that allowed?

2. What if there's a gale. Keeper kicks out and the gale blows ball back inside the 21. What then?

3. Keeper kicks ball out, accidentally hits one of his defenders on back of the head and ball comes back to him. Can he gather it?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 08:11:10 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
1. Defender takes kickout. Kicks the ball sideways along the 21 yard line, keeper sprints out of the square to pick up the ball and proceed upfield. Is that allowed?

2. What if there's a gale. Keeper kicks out and the gale blows ball back inside the 21. What then?

3. Keeper kicks ball out, accidentally hits one of his defenders on back of the head and ball comes back to him. Can he gather it?

1. Don't see any reason why not

2. Hop ball if played by the defending team?

3. The rule states "the player who directly receives the ball from a kick-out cannot pass the ball back to the goalkeeper without another person playing it".  In your case I don't think the defender "passed" the ball back.  So should be OK.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?

This is being rolled out in the county championship this year only, not club , yes?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?

This is being rolled out in the county championship this year only, not club , yes?

No, it's also in for club games
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on July 07, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Don't think the advanced mark will be too problematic other than bad positioning on the part of the referee.
I refereed 5 games before they stopped activity and in each game there was 1 adv mark given, but not taken.

Again the kick-outs wont be a major problem in my opinion. Referees should speak to keepers prior to game or on the first opportunity in the game and quickly run them through the rule - keepers will appreciate this and in most cases coaches wont have told them the correct rule.

The new sinbin will be problematic doing a game on my own. Outside of refs meeting and with coaches/manager I have debated whether we would see more or less blacks shown as easier for a ref to sinbin for 10mins than end his game maybe in the earlier stages of a game. General consensus was less will be shown as could be too much of an imposition on a referee unless he has neutrals with him on line and posts to help keep him right.

Im looking forward to getting back at it again - first match on Thursday evening...
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
When is contact training allowed in the North for underage?

I cannot see any guidance lately or dates for contact
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 06, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
The new backpass rule.

Can a player pass the ball straight back to the keeper from the kickout, but the keeper just can't handle it? Can he fist it or hoof it away?

This is being rolled out in the county championship this year only, not club , yes?

No, it's also in for club games

Thanks Smokin, could only see this rule in relation to the forthcoming county championship
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
When is contact training allowed in the North for underage?

I cannot see any guidance lately or dates for contact

It's already allowed for underage in the 6
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
When is contact training allowed in the North for underage?

I cannot see any guidance lately or dates for contact

It's already allowed for underage in the 6

Was there any official communication for this Joe?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
When is contact training allowed in the North for underage?

I cannot see any guidance lately or dates for contact

It's already allowed for underage in the 6

Was there any official communication for this Joe?

It's in one of the FAQs on the gaa website:

QUESTION
When can Clubs return to contact training and challenge games?
ANSWER
•   Contact training can resume from 29 June for all Adult and Juvenile teams in the 32 counties
•   Challenge games can resume from 29 June for the 26 Counties
•   Challenge games can resume from 17 July for the 6 Counties
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2020, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
When is contact training allowed in the North for underage?

I cannot see any guidance lately or dates for contact

It's already allowed for underage in the 6

Was there any official communication for this Joe?

It's in one of the FAQs on the gaa website:

QUESTION
When can Clubs return to contact training and challenge games?
ANSWER
•   Contact training can resume from 29 June for all Adult and Juvenile teams in the 32 counties
•   Challenge games can resume from 29 June for the 26 Counties
•   Challenge games can resume from 17 July for the 6 Counties

:D yeah right!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
A lot of clubs near the border are playing challenges against Monaghan and Cavan clubs I believe.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on July 07, 2020, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
A lot of clubs near the border are playing challenges against Monaghan and Cavan clubs I believe.

Yes and the teams travelling are covered insurance wise, so no problem there. It's the games within the 6 counties, teams could land themselves in some bother insurance wise.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
You can play as many in house games as you like, organised correctly they can be very competitive
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
During a sin bin is the referee supposed to add on time for stoppages due to injuries that occur during the 10 minute sin bin period?

I had thought that the sinbin clock wasn't supposed to stop, but at a game over the weekend the referee extended the 10 minute sinbin period for stoppages.

What is supposed to happen?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on July 27, 2020, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
During a sin bin is the referee supposed to add on time for stoppages due to injuries that occur during the 10 minute sin bin period?

At the referees discretion.
I saw an incident yesterday , where in a 10 min s sin bin, therecwad 5 mins of actual game time , due to injuries , fouling, another black card , subs made and indeed the water break @

I had thought that the sinbin clock wasn't supposed to stop, but at a game over the weekend the referee extended the 10 minute sinbin period for stoppages.

What is supposed to happen?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on July 27, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
At the referees discretion.
I saw an incident yesterday , where in the  10 min  sin bin, there  was  5 mins of actual game time , due to injuries , fouling, another black card , subs made and indeed the water break.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
The time is ten minutes regardless of stoppages, that was before lockdown, I thought about the water stoppage also during sin bin, whether there has been an amendment I don't know but it's meant to be ten minutes and the player enters at next break of play, after the ten has elapsed.

If there are breaks during the game the ref will just add them on at the end of each half.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
The ref said that he was extending the sin bin for injury stoppages as well as the water break.  No issue with the extension for the water break, but I thought the ref got it wrong in extending the sin bin for other stoppages.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 27, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Can a ref send off an umpire if he doesn't wave the flag for a score?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: screenexile on July 27, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
Ref kept blowing the whistle when there was a clean catch from a kickout which made our lads stop.

Then when they didn't raise their hand he blew them for overcarrying FFS!!!

I presume that isn't the way it supposed to be he should only blow if the player raises their hand??!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2020, 11:29:15 PM
The ref blows when there is a clean catch which is eligible for mark.  The player can either play through it or take the "free kick" by raising his hand.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: screenexile on July 27, 2020, 11:42:59 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2020, 11:29:15 PM
The ref blows when there is a clean catch which is eligible for mark.  The player can either play through it or take the "free kick" by raising his hand.

Jesus you're right I just checked it out... This is our 3rd match in the last week and no ref had done it like this previously which is why the confusion!!

Will know for again hopefully!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 28, 2020, 07:42:54 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!

Correct
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Taylor on July 28, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!

Any man that catches a ball in the small square and doesnt have a rattle at the goal should be standing beside me on the line
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on July 28, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 28, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!

Any man that catches a ball in the small square and doesnt have a rattle at the goal should be standing beside me on the line

Was thinking that myself!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
Well if the full back or keeper catches the ball in the small square he should call a mark, and not have a rattle!

I blow for every clean catch, up to the player to make the signal for the mark, if he doesn't, play on
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on July 28, 2020, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 28, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!

Any man that catches a ball in the small square and doesnt have a rattle at the goal should be standing beside me on the line
Unless you're 3 points up with a minute to go of course.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2020, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 28, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2020, 01:43:26 AM
If you take a catch inside the small square you can still call a mark can't you? The only thing is you must come to the 13m line to hit it.

Is that correct?

We were told yesterday there was no mark inside the small square which I think is incorrect but not 100%. New rules are a lot for refs to absorb!

Any man that catches a ball in the small square and doesnt have a rattle at the goal should be standing beside me on the line
Unless you're 3 points up with a minute to go of course.

Or you catch it falling forward and end up on the ground with the full back standing over you.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:45:19 AM
Thimas Davis had a goal ruled out because the scorer had lost his gumshield.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/thomas-davis-goal-disallowed-gumshield-skerries-harps-442903

I think the ref got that stunningly wrong
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref

No. He spotted the lack of gumshield when tbe lad ran back past him.

The rules clearly say you caution a non complaint player
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref

No. He spotted the lack of gumshield when tbe lad ran back past him.

The rules clearly say you caution a non complaint player

Had he been asked previously to put in gum shield? On that footage there doesn't seem to be much complaints, he's running over to sideline to put in the gun shield he should have had in from start!

Either way it's might cost them against Ballymun in the next match, he'll be wearing one then I'd hope
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 10, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref

No. He spotted the lack of gumshield when tbe lad ran back past him.

The rules clearly say you caution a non complaint player

Had he been asked previously to put in gum shield? On that footage there doesn't seem to be much complaints, he's running over to sideline to put in the gun shield he should have had in from start!

Either way it's might cost them against Ballymun in the next match, he'll be wearing one then I'd hope

But the rules don't allow for a foul to be given, only a booking. You can't overturn a play because he has no gumshield
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyroneman on August 10, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
I saw a free given for a CB kicking the ball back to the keeper after a kick out - fair enough under the following rules (from rthe GAA webste)

KICK OUT

1: The kick-out is to be taken from the 20-metre line, from the centre-point, and from the ground.

2: The ball cannot be kicked backwards.

3: All players shall be outside the 20-metre line, outside the semi-circle, and 13 metres from the ball until it has been kicked.

4: The ball shall travel not less than 13 metres and outside the 20-metre line before being played by another player of the defending team.

5: If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he shall stay within the small rectangle and all other players except the player taking the kick-out shall be outside the 20-metre line and 13 metres from the ball.

It specifies 'kicked' though- so is it the case that the ball can be handpassed back to the keeper from a kick out?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 10, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 10, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
I saw a free given for a CB kicking the ball back to the keeper after a kick out - fair enough under the following rules (from rthe GAA webste)

KICK OUT

1: The kick-out is to be taken from the 20-metre line, from the centre-point, and from the ground.

2: The ball cannot be kicked backwards.

3: All players shall be outside the 20-metre line, outside the semi-circle, and 13 metres from the ball until it has been kicked.

4: The ball shall travel not less than 13 metres and outside the 20-metre line before being played by another player of the defending team.

5: If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, he shall stay within the small rectangle and all other players except the player taking the kick-out shall be outside the 20-metre line and 13 metres from the ball.

It specifies 'kicked' though- so is it the case that the ball can be handpassed back to the keeper from a kick out?

No.  That "kicked backwards" point you highlighted refers to the GK kickout, ie the kickout cannot go backwards.  It is not referring to the subsequent pass back from the corner back.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2020, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 10, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref

No. He spotted the lack of gumshield when tbe lad ran back past him.

The rules clearly say you caution a non complaint player

Had he been asked previously to put in gum shield? On that footage there doesn't seem to be much complaints, he's running over to sideline to put in the gun shield he should have had in from start!

Either way it's might cost them against Ballymun in the next match, he'll be wearing one then I'd hope

But the rules don't allow for a foul to be given, only a booking. You can't overturn a play because he has no gumshield

A referee can stop play if he feels there is a danger to a player... take from that what you want.

I personally wouldn't have done it but it happens
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 10, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2020, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 10, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Did the ref blow before he took shot?

It's a very grey area on the rules. I personally don't enforce it unless it's blatantly obvious, like when they start slabbering  ;D

Seen a few debates on this and most sided with the ref

No. He spotted the lack of gumshield when tbe lad ran back past him.

The rules clearly say you caution a non complaint player

Had he been asked previously to put in gum shield? On that footage there doesn't seem to be much complaints, he's running over to sideline to put in the gun shield he should have had in from start!

Either way it's might cost them against Ballymun in the next match, he'll be wearing one then I'd hope

But the rules don't allow for a foul to be given, only a booking. You can't overturn a play because he has no gumshield

A referee can stop play if he feels there is a danger to a player... take from that what you want.

I personally wouldn't have done it but it happens

Not sure you are following this...
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2020, 02:33:12 PM
I am... the referee brought back play after noticing a player was not wearing his gum shield.. disallowed the goal and made the player go get his gum shield..

Was he right? Probably not, the decision was taken and he can't go back on that... move on..

Calls are made incorrectly all the time up and down the country, I got caught out on a couple yesterday, apologised and moved on.

Players also make bad mistakes, like not wearing shields when this rule has been about for a while and it's there to protect the players. He'll not forget it again.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 02:45:11 PM
Say a player plays in a junior final and gets a straight red card but his team wins and so goes to intermediate next year.

The player receives "a one match suspension in the same Code at the same Level, applicable to the next game in the same Competition, even if that game occur's in the following year's competition."

Is that player suspended for the first game in next year's Intermediate championship, or does the suspension not apply because it's at a different level?
And in which case, the suspension would never be served because it would be at least 2 years before the player plays again in an Intermediate championship match.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 14, 2020, 03:11:41 PM
It carries over to the next IFC match. Another good example is an U21 gets a straight red in last ever U21 championship  game, it carries over to next adult championship game in that code .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
OK, I see how that makes sense practically, but struggling to see how that works given the wording. 
What is the definition of "Level" and "Competition" as used in the rule.

Code obviously refers to football or hurling.

But surely U21 and Senior or not the same Level and Competition?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
What if a ladies player gets a red card, and get a suspension, then gets married and changes her surname. Could she technically play in the next match under her new name, as the referees report would have her maiden name?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
What if a ladies player gets a red card, and get a suspension, then gets married and changes her surname. Could she technically play in the next match under her new name, as the referees report would have her maiden name?

Or changes gender? There'll some yoyo's at that no doubt!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
What if a ladies player gets a red card, and get a suspension, then gets married and changes her surname. Could she technically play in the next match under her new name, as the referees report would have her maiden name?

Or changes gender? There'll some yoyo's at that no doubt!!

It's a bit extreme to do that just to avoid a match suspension  ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 14, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
OK, I see how that makes sense practically, but struggling to see how that works given the wording. 
What is the definition of "Level" and "Competition" as used in the rule.

Code obviously refers to football or hurling.

But surely U21 and Senior or not the same Level and Competition?

It's likely that a final year U21 is playing senior football in most clubs
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on September 14, 2020, 05:36:08 PM
Any rules against lewd sexual acts commited on the pitch?

The violence was bad enough at the end of the Dublin semi final Ballymun v Crokes, but even more horrific was the disturbing. scene of sexual activity after a peculiar mating ritual in the lead up to this Covid bonking.
The Ballymun player ended up frantically riding his opponent doggy style as if he had to get it all done and dusted in ten seconds flat. Not even 3 players could pull him away from his task.  A bucket or two of water might have cooled the passion down.

The whole thing kicks off at the 54 second mark

https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/gaa/watch-ballymun-kickhams-kilmacud-crokes-18928555 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/gaa/watch-ballymun-kickhams-kilmacud-crokes-18928555)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 14, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
OK, I see how that makes sense practically, but struggling to see how that works given the wording. 
What is the definition of "Level" and "Competition" as used in the rule.

Code obviously refers to football or hurling.

But surely U21 and Senior or not the same Level and Competition?

It's likely that a final year U21 is playing senior football in most clubs

True.  But I still don't see how that is relevant as the suspension is for that same Level in the same Competition.  If it said the next game in the Code then it obviously would be served in his next game.
Level and Competition are capitalized in the rulebook, so I assume they must be a definition.  I just can't locate those definitions.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 14, 2020, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 14, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
OK, I see how that makes sense practically, but struggling to see how that works given the wording. 
What is the definition of "Level" and "Competition" as used in the rule.

Code obviously refers to football or hurling.

But surely U21 and Senior or not the same Level and Competition?

It's likely that a final year U21 is playing senior football in most clubs

True.  But I still don't see how that is relevant as the suspension is for that same Level in the same Competition.  If it said the next game in the Code then it obviously would be served in his next game.
Level and Competition are capitalized in the rulebook, so I assume they must be a definition.  I just can't locate those definitions.

Official Guide Part 1 page 128.
Refers to a two week suspension for  a
Red card that is carried over,  outside an age grade, subject to application by respective CCC body .

So an escape is possible dependent on fixtures, time of year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
Probably been done to death at this stage, but if the keeper kicks the ball out and gets it straight back to him from the defender is it a free or hop ball? Also if the keeper kicks it out and it doesn't cross the 13metre line is that a hop ball or free in?

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 16, 2020, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
Probably been done to death at this stage, but if the keeper kicks the ball out and gets it straight back to him from the defender is it a free or hop ball? Also if the keeper kicks it out and it doesn't cross the 13metre line is that a hop ball or free in?

Free and the other one is a hop ball
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 26, 2020, 09:35:45 PM
Interesting one tonight...

A Kingscourt player caught ball above his head cleanly, but man was holding him, and he couldn't raise his hand in time to signal he was taking the mark. Referee blew him up for overcarrying.

Was that the correct call?

Should a player also be able to shout 'mark' in such instances?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 09:47:20 PM
i didnt see the replay but i believe the pass was from inside the 45.... not sure why it was a free out though.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 09:53:26 PM
McConville corrected himself eventually after a major rant earlier.
Faulkner hadn't much luck with the ref right enough.
I'd imagine the free was for standing still with the ball in his hands.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 26, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 09:47:20 PM
i didnt see the replay but i believe the pass was from inside the 45.... not sure why it was a free out though.

So if the ball was played from outside the 50... what's the verdict?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on September 26, 2020, 10:53:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 26, 2020, 09:35:45 PM
Interesting one tonight...

A Kingscourt player caught ball above his head cleanly, but man was holding him, and he couldn't raise his hand in time to signal he was taking the mark. Referee blew him up for overcarrying.

Was that the correct call?

Should a player also be able to shout 'mark' in such instances?

Yet another addition to the long list of poorly drafted GAA rules.

The current rules say
QuoteThe player shall signify to the Referee if he is availing of the free-kick by immediately raising his arm upright and then taking the kick himself from the hands.
That's all there is about a player claiming a mark.

The powers-that-be could have made life easier for everyone by adding a single extra line to the rules.

[In the event that the player is not able to raise his arm upright immediately, he can avail of the mark by calling out "mark"]
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on September 26, 2020, 11:12:51 PM
In a crowded, noisy stadium, he might not be heard calling 'mark' though. Also, if another/same opponent has his hands across his mouth, he can't shout it either.

Maybe he could stamp his foot twice to call a mark.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?

Didn't watch it but it all depends on the refs watch, not the one on tv.

Having refereed a televised match, the tv watched during the water breaks us were the break down occurs.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: sid waddell on November 28, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
More than two minutes before the end of the regulation 60 minutes or more than two minutes before the end of the advertised amount of injury time?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 28, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
More than two minutes before the end of the regulation 60 minutes or more than two minutes before the end of the advertised amount of injury time?

4 minutes injury time allocated. Ref blew up around 61.50.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 28, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Can't believe the commentators haven't grasped that the water break is the reason for the apparent discretion. It happened a couple of weeks ago too.
The ref didn't stop his watch during the water break, but RTE did.

It would be good for the GAA to give direction as to whether the noted injury time stated is based on a stopped or a running clock during the water break.
If you're on the line and trying to make a sub towards the end of the game it's good to know how when you expect the game to be over having heard the number of additional minutes to be played.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 28, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Can't believe the commentators haven't grasped that the water break is the reason for the apparent discretion. It happened a couple of weeks ago too.
The ref didn't stop his watch during the water break, but RTE did.

It would be good for the GAA to give direction as to whether the noted injury time stated is based on a stopped or a running clock during the water break.
If you're on the line and trying to make a sub towards the end of the game it's good to know how when you expect the game to be over having heard the number of additional minutes to be played.

So there was no issue. RTE messed up. As for officials putting on subs the fourth official is in verbal contact with the ref constantly.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on November 29, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Anyone know when or if there will be a review of the rule changes they brought in? I don't mind the gk kick out rule not goin back to the keeper but the advance mark is the worst rule ever, gets on my nerves seeing players getting out and winning good ball and then the hand goes up and the game stops. They then take 2-3 toe taps and stick it over. I miss seeing a Canavan winning the ball and turning a man and swinging it over or heading for goal. I would do anything to see that rule being done away with.

Also, watching games recently, anyone think that the advantage rule is too long? I like it in soccer where it's pretty much If the next pass is messed up or not an instant advantage then it's brought back. In GAA you seem to get an advantage play a few passes and a shot and can still bring it back, nothing worse than a defending team busting your balls to block down an attack and then it gets brought back anyway for an easy score.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on November 29, 2020, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 12:46:24 PM
I've said it on here before but the advantage rule is wrong IMO.
It should be the advantage or the free, not both.

Giving the advantage, the ref has decided that the attacking team is in a better position than they would be if he gives the free. If they go on to balls that up, the chance should be gone in the same way that it would be if they missed the free.

If the attacking team would prefer the free, like the mark there should be some way of indicating this to the ref. Therefore, if the attacking team decides to play on then they've no complaints when it doesn't work out for them.

Agree completely, the advantage goes for ages, the amount of times a team is playin on and a defender makes a class block or tackle only for it to be brought back for a free 10 seconds ago for it to be tapped over is infuriating, if you play a pass or take a shot then you've tried to take advantage, just cause ya mess it up shouldn't get it brought back. A wee change should be one the fouled player plays the ball on the advantage is over, so if he plays a pass or takes a shot then the advantage is over
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 29, 2020, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 28, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
More than two minutes before the end of the regulation 60 minutes or more than two minutes before the end of the advertised amount of injury time?

4 minutes injury time allocated. Ref blew up around 61.50.

Referees discretion
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 29, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 29, 2020, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 28, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
More than two minutes before the end of the regulation 60 minutes or more than two minutes before the end of the advertised amount of injury time?

4 minutes injury time allocated. Ref blew up around 61.50.

Referees discretion

It seems it was the RTE clock that was the issue yesterday. So that explains that.

I can understand the ref adding more time to the allocated injury time, to accommodate for injuries/subs etc, that happened during the injury time.

But if the timekeepers have stated that say, 5 minutes injury time should be played, and the ref blows it up after 2 minutes injury time, you think that's ok??
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 29, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 29, 2020, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 28, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
Cork Kilkenny camogie match blown up more than 2 minutes early.

Grounds for appeal surely?
More than two minutes before the end of the regulation 60 minutes or more than two minutes before the end of the advertised amount of injury time?

4 minutes injury time allocated. Ref blew up around 61.50.

Referees discretion

It seems it was the RTE clock that was the issue yesterday. So that explains that.

I can understand the ref adding more time to the allocated injury time, to accommodate for injuries/subs etc, that happened during the injury time.

But if the timekeepers have stated that say, 5 minutes injury time should be played, and the ref blows it up after 2 minutes injury time, you think that's ok??
Which timekeepers? RTE or the ref?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on November 29, 2020, 07:03:06 PM
A beef I have with how the advantage is often used-
Johnny is fouled about 60 m out, Ref sticks up the paw for advantage, Johnny runs on 15 m and is fouled again while Ref has the hand up.
Ref brings the play back for the original foul disadvantaging Johnny's team.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2020, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 06:56:19 PM
He's asking can the ref just decide not to play the added time put up on the board by the sideline official, as could be understood from Baile Brigin's "referee's discretion" post.

I.e if 5 minutes goes up on the board, can the ref just wrap it up after 3?

To be clear, he is not suggesting that this happened in the camogie match but is asking it as a general question.

I imagine the sideline official gets the time to be added from the ref so really the question is - can he just change his mind and play less? It would be an odd thing to do.

If the ref says 5 minutes he must play a minimum of 5 minutes, that 5 minutes can be 8 or more depending what happens during the additional time.

The players will know what time is left, as they'd be asking flat out after the allocated time, and if the players know so will the managers.

There's only one watch (or two now as refs have) that counts and that's the refs.

Ladies football use The countdown clock, I'm personally not in favour of it tbh, not as a refs viewpoint as that would be one area made better, but if a team worked the clock to have injuries and the like it would be annoying as a player manager and supporter
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2020, 07:03:06 PM
A beef I have with how the advantage is often used-
Johnny is fouled about 60 m out, Ref sticks up the paw for advantage, Johnny runs on 15 m and is fouled again while Ref has the hand up.
Ref brings the play back for the original foul disadvantaging Johnny's team.

The advantage rule can work really well and before it most refs used the 'slow whistle' a player nowadays can cover up to 30 metres in five seconds if going full pelt with the ball, so the ref has some wriggle room to either allow advantage or if he's fouled again, say advantage over and blow for another free.  Meaning he can take it from a better position.

As for the other call on if he's taken a shot and missed during advantage then where's the advantage?

He's got 5 seconds, that's the rule, guy catches ball in square fouled but instinctively turns and shoots, missed or saved you're happy to play on?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dubhaltach on November 29, 2020, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2020, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 06:56:19 PM
He's asking can the ref just decide not to play the added time put up on the board by the sideline official, as could be understood from Baile Brigin's "referee's discretion" post.

I.e if 5 minutes goes up on the board, can the ref just wrap it up after 3?

To be clear, he is not suggesting that this happened in the camogie match but is asking it as a general question.

I imagine the sideline official gets the time to be added from the ref so really the question is - can he just change his mind and play less? It would be an odd thing to do.

If the ref says 5 minutes he must play a minimum of 5 minutes, that 5 minutes can be 8 or more depending what happens during the additional time.

The players will know what time is left, as they'd be asking flat out after the allocated time, and if the players know so will the managers.

There's only one watch (or two now as refs have) that counts and that's the refs.

Ladies football use The countdown clock, I'm personally not in favour of it tbh, not as a refs viewpoint as that would be one area made better, but if a team worked the clock to have injuries and the like it would be annoying as a player manager and supporter

Just stop the clock every time there's an injury, like they do in rugby....That'd be far better than what we currently have where the time is often not added on at the end
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2020, 09:57:08 PM
Before Covid and water breaks, all refs would stop the clock, so at the final short whistle it will say 30 mins, second half the time on watch will be 30 minutes...

Those that use two watches let the other watch run at the start of each half... just in case they forget to restart other watch :o
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put

I must try that at a game hardstation is at and see if the general consensus is the same among his clubmen
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on November 30, 2020, 09:56:31 AM
I actually think the advantage rule is good although 5s is perhaps too long, maybe 3s would be better as there are times when it seems to be very long. Anything that discourages foul play is surely a good thing
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put

I must try that at a game hardstation is at and see if the general consensus is the same among his clubmen

Haha in fairness, I dont blame the refs its the rule, but I just think soccer have it better where the ref either plays advantage or gives the free, in GAA its pretty much both play the advantage and unless its a score then its brought back for a free. too long of an advantage is my issue, should be a phase, ie if I have the ball 30m out get fouled but play the ball to a man off the shoulder and he solos and shoots surely thats enough advantage, but in current rules if that happens and the player puts it wide or short the team gets a free, they are rewarded for actually making a mess of their advantage.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put

I must try that at a game hardstation is at and see if the general consensus is the same among his clubmen

Haha in fairness, I dont blame the refs its the rule, but I just think soccer have it better where the ref either plays advantage or gives the free, in GAA its pretty much both play the advantage and unless its a score then its brought back for a free. too long of an advantage is my issue, should be a phase, ie if I have the ball 30m out get fouled but play the ball to a man off the shoulder and he solos and shoots surely thats enough advantage, but in current rules if that happens and the player puts it wide or short the team gets a free, they are rewarded for actually making a mess of their advantage.

If it's in a forward position the best advantage is a score, either free or from play. If he misses within the 5 seconds it's the rule
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: westbound on November 30, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put

I must try that at a game hardstation is at and see if the general consensus is the same among his clubmen

Haha in fairness, I dont blame the refs its the rule, but I just think soccer have it better where the ref either plays advantage or gives the free, in GAA its pretty much both play the advantage and unless its a score then its brought back for a free. too long of an advantage is my issue, should be a phase, ie if I have the ball 30m out get fouled but play the ball to a man off the shoulder and he solos and shoots surely thats enough advantage, but in current rules if that happens and the player puts it wide or short the team gets a free, they are rewarded for actually making a mess of their advantage.

They are not rewarded for making a mess of the advantage, the defending team is punished for the foul! The attacking teams gets 2 chances to punish the defending team in this case. Therefore the benefit of fouling is lessened and therefore the defending team will be less likely to foul. And where they do foul, they are more likely to be punished on the scoreboard.

If we accept that the aim is to reduce fouling in the game then the advantage rule as it currently stands is a reasonably good way to achieve that aim.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 03:32:11 PM
By the same token, if we really wanted to punish fouling we could give a free taker a 2nd go if he misses his 1st free kick.
It's the same thing.

Advantage is given all over the pitch, from cornerback to full forward. Teams much prefer to have possession and if not in the scoring zone, playing the ball out works better.

When the ref raises his hand he's playing advantage for a foul, player has two options, play a pass or shoot, after that,  the ref has 5 seconds to play it, it's simple enough to workout.

If the ball breaks down and team lose possession after 5 seconds that's that. If the player loses possession or advantage is lost then it's brought back to original foul!

By the same token if a player shoots and misses before the 5 seconds is out then no advantage for the obvious foul.

I can't see the issue. Players would be calling for just the free every time, the problem is, it's not the players place to call advantage or not.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: macdanger2 on November 30, 2020, 05:02:39 PM
One thing I would change about the rule (even if it's not usually enforced) is that if the player who has received the advantage commits a foul, the play is brought back and the original free is given. Currently, the rules say that the free is given against the player who had the advantage if he commits a foul (unless this has been changed since it was originally introduced?)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 04:57:37 PM
I don't know why you continue to think that we are confused as to how the rule works. We aren't. We aren't suggesting that refs are doing it wrong. We are simply suggesting that the rule is wrong and that the "fouled team" is getting too much of an advantage.

For me, the advantage shouldn't be that you have a free kick in reserve if required. The advantage you are getting is those extra yards gained, that better scoring opportunity, an option for a goal rather than a point etc.

No one is gaining an advantage if the chance they take is missed.

if advantage is played in corner back and the ball is played out is collected by the opposing team, do we say "you had an advantage and fucked it up, so play on" or as it's within the five seconds bring the ball back and play it out of corner back?

Is there a difference for defence advantage to forward advantage?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on November 30, 2020, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 30, 2020, 05:02:39 PM
One thing I would change about the rule (even if it's not usually enforced) is that if the player who has received the advantage commits a foul, the play is brought back and the original free is given. Currently, the rules say that the free is given against the player who had the advantage if he commits a foul (unless this has been changed since it was originally introduced?)
It's absolute BS and to me it's a complete misinterpretation of the rule. A ref told me that he was specifically told at a training course that if a player overcarries during the 5 seconds, then you reverse the decision. But that makes absolutely no logical sense, as how could there have been an advantage? And most of the time the reason for the overcarrying is because the fouler is still all over the man in possession. So even if he doesn't foul him again, there's no clearly no advantage so the original free should be given.

I'd imagine the reason for it is to prevent the fouled player turning around and giving the fouler a dig. But the rules already cover this separately. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 30, 2020, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 30, 2020, 05:02:39 PM
One thing I would change about the rule (even if it's not usually enforced) is that if the player who has received the advantage commits a foul, the play is brought back and the original free is given. Currently, the rules say that the free is given against the player who had the advantage if he commits a foul (unless this has been changed since it was originally introduced?)
It's absolute BS and to me it's a complete misinterpretation of the rule. A ref told me that he was specifically told at a training course that if a player overcarries during the 5 seconds, then you reverse the decision. But that makes absolutely no logical sense, as how could there have been an advantage? And most of the time the reason for the overcarrying is because the fouler is still all over the man in possession. So even if he doesn't foul him again, there's no clearly no advantage so the original free should be given.

I'd imagine the reason for it is to prevent the fouled player turning around and giving the fouler a dig. But the rules already cover this separately.

That's the rule, but it's rarity in fairness. Should possibly be a hop ball in that case.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:22:49 PM
So why give 5 seconds?

So either you want advantage or you don't.

It has to have a timescale, it's consistent and easy to apply imo..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:44:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:26:55 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about now.

Your post is about not giving a proper advantage to the player being fouled.

You feel the player is getting two bites of the cherry if he misses. If it's within the 5 seconds then he's well within his rights to bring it back and take the free. Be it an attacking free or defensive one. My view is he's not getting an advantage.

If we go down the road that you're suggesting players will automatically stop and take the free, thus making the rule useless. When the whole point of the rule was to keep the game flowing and reducing the stop starts.

So the question is do you want to keep the rule your way and watch players just stopping, as the odds then are stacked with the defending team. Play breaks down more often and we have a succession of frees.

Personally for me I prefer the rule as is, and that's coming from all angles.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on November 30, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Player should be allowed to say he doesn't want to play on and stop for the free.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Player should be allowed to say he doesn't want to play on and stop for the free.

I agree but not in the rules. A bitta common sense though from the ref and he'll cop on to that
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:48:34 PM
I'm all for the advantage. For a player to go on in on goal rather than being hauled back for a 30m free etc. But if he does, the free should be forgotten about.

So if the managers say we've 5 seconds of advantage regardless ref! Where's our advantage? I get that constantly, so 5 seconds Is easily counted and applied.

Your views seem mainly concentrated on attacking play.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:48:34 PM
I'm all for the advantage. For a player to go on in on goal rather than being hauled back for a 30m free etc. But if he does, the free should be forgotten about.

So if the managers say we've 5 seconds of advantage regardless ref! Where's our advantage? I get that constantly, so 5 seconds Is easily counted and applied.

Your views seem mainly concentrated on attacking play.
We are talking about a change of rule here you know?

So at that point you would tell the manager that he is talking about the old rule and under the new rule a player gets the free or the advantage, not both. That can be applied right across the pitch.

I know, so are you getting rid of the 5 seconds or keeping that? You happy with the downside to your new rule? Slowing up play as everyone (I feel) will want to take the free, rather than lose possession.

I think just cause you feel it's giving people a second shot on goal, it isn't just for shooting goals
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Yeah 5 seconds would be gone. If you play on, you play on.

As for the stop start, I think the natural instinct of a player who recognises that he has a clear & obvious advantage is to play on. At least when he plays on the game will continue as normal instead of it being dragged back for a free (a stoppage) 3 plays later if his team makes a balls of it. On other occasions he'll decide to settle for the free. Foul committed, free given. No big deal.

I honestly don't see the downside that you do.

I can see benefits in yours, but I personally,  at the coal face haven't had many issues with the advantage rule, it's great when a team gets advantage and works a score.

I can't remember anyone saying with any intent that advantage is over so his missed chance shouldn't be brought back.

Maybe watching it from the sidelines the view on it is different

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 08:55:43 PM
I just don't understand why we would give someone another attempt at a score when they have missed one from a more advantageous position.

To me, it's like getting another free kick if you miss the first one.

A free kick/strike is under no pressure, an attempt to score during advantage while someone's trying to block or hook you is under pressure. If he gets score away fine, better spectacle, if not and within the five seconds it's brought back.

Yours sounds more like a mark type (in that they have time to move without being touched) which I think is complete shite!

Sure we'll agree to disagree  :D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on November 30, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 08:55:43 PM
I just don't understand why we would give someone another attempt at a score when they have missed one from a more advantageous position.

To me, it's like getting another free kick if you miss the first one.

Yeah I think do away with the 5 second and make it that if the ball is played on then the advantage is over, for example it's hardly fair a player gets fouled and gets advantage slips a hand pass and player runs through on goal and keeper saves it or the player puts it wide, the fouled player took his advantage and the advantage was that his team got a shot at goal, i just think it's unfair on the defending team who stopped the goal to then get an east score against them. That's how it is in soccer if the advantage is played and the attacking team shoot and miss or keeper saves it then the advantage is gone. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 09:26:31 PM
Whatever about someone blocking or hooking you, it has been deemed to be a better chance than the original free.

I don't know what you mean about not being allowed to be touched. I never mentioned that.

No, it like the mark rule you're talking about,  but I can't see any advantage in your new rule, it's a bit like the unofficial slow whistle refs used before.

So scrap it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2020, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 09:26:31 PM
Whatever about someone blocking or hooking you, it has been deemed to be a better chance than the original free.

I don't know what you mean about not being allowed to be touched. I never mentioned that.

No, it like the mark rule you're talking about,  but I can't see any advantage in your new rule, it's a bit like the unofficial slow whistle refs used before.

So scrap it.
What do you mean you don't see any advantage in "my new rule"? The fouled player or the play is allowed to continue if a better opportunity than the free is available. That is what an advantage is!

That's the way we allowed it before the advantage rule. We basically allowed extra steps or slow blew whistle.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 30, 2020, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Player should be allowed to say he doesn't want to play on and stop for the free.
+1

How would that work? You'd have players stopping for their free every time they are touched, even if it's not a foul.
There's no whistle in advantage, how can the player decide to take his free
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on December 01, 2020, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on November 30, 2020, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Player should be allowed to say he doesn't want to play on and stop for the free.
+1

How would that work? You'd have players stopping for their free every time they are touched, even if it's not a foul.
There's no whistle in advantage, how can the player decide to take his free

Sometimes the player fouled might not know they're in the advantage phase as the referee may be behind them with their arm raised.

I have seen lads wanting to avail of the free and just drop the ball at their feet and most referees are giving it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Never beat the deeler on December 01, 2020, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 01, 2020, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on November 30, 2020, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 30, 2020, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Player should be allowed to say he doesn't want to play on and stop for the free.
+1

How would that work? You'd have players stopping for their free every time they are touched, even if it's not a foul.
There's no whistle in advantage, how can the player decide to take his free

Sometimes the player fouled might not know they're in the advantage phase as the referee may be behind them with their arm raised.

I have seen lads wanting to avail of the free and just drop the ball at their feet and most referees are giving it.

I don't think you can rewrite the rule (I know it wasn't your suggestion) to assume all players can see the player at all times.
Think of the player one-on-one with his marker trying to beat him. Most times the ref is adjacent or behind him. He can't just drop the ball and assume the ref agrees with him that it was a foul
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 04:05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/rtegaa/status/1365683173301092358?s=24
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 27, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Hopefully we'll see consistency from Refs!?
Split season passed as well.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 27, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Hopefully we'll see consistency from Refs!?
Split season passed as well.

Are you serious? It will be a disaster and the refs will get thrown under the bus
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Blowitupref on February 27, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
Motion 20 carried

For example that late challenge in the 2020 Connacht final will be no more unless those making the challenge wants to give away a penalty.

A July All-Ireland final will be strange but we are slowly adjusting to strange or less than normal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 04:57:22 PM
A player is tripped at the corner flag area they'll be calling for penalties!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: didlyi on February 27, 2021, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 04:57:22 PM
A player is tripped at the corner flag area they'll be calling for penalties!

Not unless its a clear goal scoring opportunity. And thats unlikely from the corner flag and in fairness all the incidents of this nature have occurred directly in front of goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 05:57:14 PM
Quote from: didlyi on February 27, 2021, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2021, 04:57:22 PM
A player is tripped at the corner flag area they'll be calling for penalties!

Not unless its a clear goal scoring opportunity. And thats unlikely from the corner flag and in fairness all the incidents of this nature have occurred directly in front of goal.

In hurling I've seen some great goals were lads have evaded 'tackles' along the line to score goals, it'll still be refs discretion though,  his interpretation
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angelo on February 27, 2021, 06:10:23 PM
This is an absolute recipe for disaster.

Imagine giving someone like Maurice Deegan or David Gough even more discretion to make the game all about them and their big decision.

Congress has always been way out of touch with the players and management but it's really gone another level in the past few years. They are destroying the game with advanced marks, sin bins, kickouts etc now.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on February 27, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 27, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
Motion 20 carried

For example that late challenge in the 2020 Connacht final will be no more unless those making the challenge wants to give away a penalty.

A July All-Ireland final will be strange but we are slowly adjusting to strange or less than normal.

Brilliant, this rule should cut out a lot of cynicism. There will of course be mistakes but overall a really positive move.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Tubberman on February 27, 2021, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 27, 2021, 06:10:23 PM
This is an absolute recipe for disaster.

Imagine giving someone like Maurice Deegan or David Gough even more discretion to make the game all about them and their big decision.

Congress has always been way out of touch with the players and management but it's really gone another level in the past few years. They are destroying the game with advanced marks, sin bins, kickouts etc now.

I fear you may actually be right. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on February 28, 2021, 09:42:32 AM
I think we can all agree that these rules are made up by absolute gobshites
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyHarp on February 28, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Whoever was pissed off enough with joint captains lifting a cup to sit at home or in a committee and formulate a motion, send it to congress and lobby enough people to get it passed should be named and ridiculed for the rest of their  lives for being feckin idiots.

In the the future they should have dummy motions like this at congress and anyone who votes for them should be banned from the GAA for life. Flush these people out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on February 28, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2021, 09:42:32 AM
I think we can all agree that these rules are made up by absolute gobshites

The problem with new rules is that everyone immediately imagines the situation where their team is screwed over by a referee. The culture of blaming referees is sadly far too prevalent within the game. A rule brought in to correctly punish cynical play stopping a goal scoring opportunity by justly giving that team a goal scoring opportunity from a penalty is an absolutely fair rule. It does put more onus on referees and there will be mistakes but only teams who have defenders trained in the arts of cynicism are going to the losers overall from this rule.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on February 28, 2021, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 28, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2021, 09:42:32 AM
I think we can all agree that these rules are made up by absolute gobshites

The problem with new rules is that everyone immediately imagines the situation where their team is screwed over by a referee. The culture of blaming referees is sadly far too prevalent within the game. A rule brought in to correctly punish cynical play stopping a goal scoring opportunity by justly giving that team a goal scoring opportunity from a penalty is an absolutely fair rule. It does put more onus on referees and there will be mistakes but only teams who have defenders trained in the arts of cynicism are going to the losers overall from this rule.

It will lead to more 'sweepers' and more defence based football, as the focus of the rule is on goal scoring opportunities e.g one on one situations heading straight for goals , as opposed to dragging some one in the corner.
On top of that, the fouling will just move beyond the 20m/ arc !
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Jases lads and lassies don't let any positivity invade the place anyway ::)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on February 28, 2021, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Jases lads and lassies don't let any positivity invade the place anyway ::)

Being  pragmatic!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

The other sports get it right the majority of the time. By definition a clear goal scoring opportunity should be easy to get right for the officals
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on February 28, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

All rules of the game are applied according to the interpretation of the referee. I'm constantly amazed that the first thought people have is how their team is going to be shafted by some ref misapplying this rule. This'll work both ways, we'll gain from it on occasions and lose out on occasions. It's there to penalise cynical play and it's a very positive rule change.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angelo on February 28, 2021, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

This is the problem. We have a major problem with refereeing incompetence in gaelic football. You see it up and down the country every week of the intercounty season and you now you are giving referees more discretion to administer their incompetence with match changing decisions. The likes of Gough and Deegan would be licking their lips at the chance to make a match changing decision.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angelo on February 28, 2021, 05:01:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

The other sports get it right the majority of the time. By definition a clear goal scoring opportunity should be easy to get right for the officals

By the definition the black card should be easy to get right for match officials but it's an absolute clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: In hiding on February 28, 2021, 06:40:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
Bad news for Johnny Cooper that rule
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

The other sports get it right the majority of the time. By definition a clear goal scoring opportunity should be easy to get right for the officals

Other sports as in Professional sports?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on February 28, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

If there's another defender who was going to tackle him then it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Soccer have the red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Rugby has the penalty try and yellow card for fouling a player to stop him scoring a try 

The new rule should cut down on cynical fouling so I'm in favour of it
In theory yes - but my major fear here is that it's completely up to the interpretation of the referee as to whether or not it's a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.
The list of black card offences according to the rule book is not ambiguous yet look at how that is interpreted so wildly differently by referees.
Lads are getting blacks for offences that should not be deemed as such according to the rule book so I fear this is a can of worms.

The other sports get it right the majority of the time. By definition a clear goal scoring opportunity should be easy to get right for the officals

Other sports as in Professional sports?

So because the referee isn't professional he doesn't understand what a clear and obvious goal scoring opportunity is?

The ref has two linesman and two umpires behind each goal. If between all them they can't tell if someone has a clear goal scoring opportunity when fouled then why have any rules/officials at all?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Referres are being asked to judge what is a clear goal scoring opportunity not solve world hunger.

If you don't believe officals are capable of judging this then what else are they incapable of dealing with? Should we get rid of red/yellow cards in case a ref makes a mistake? Probably can't give penalties then either in case they get that wrong too.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Referres are being asked to judge what is a clear goal scoring opportunity not solve world hunger.

If you don't believe officals are capable of judging this then what else are they incapable of dealing with? Should we get rid of red/yellow cards in case a ref makes a mistake? Probably can't give penalties then either in case they get that wrong too.

Well when you put it like that, it's strange why there's so many discussions about referees
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Referres are being asked to judge what is a clear goal scoring opportunity not solve world hunger.

If you don't believe officals are capable of judging this then what else are they incapable of dealing with? Should we get rid of red/yellow cards in case a ref makes a mistake? Probably can't give penalties then either in case they get that wrong too.

Well when you put it like that, it's strange why there's so many discussions about referees

Refs/umpires/officals get discussed in every sport. Why do you think the GAA should be different? The players are amateurs but they get analysed like professional athletes.

Do you really think referees are incapable of judging what is or isn't a clear goal scoring opportunity?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 10:05:53 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Referres are being asked to judge what is a clear goal scoring opportunity not solve world hunger.

If you don't believe officals are capable of judging this then what else are they incapable of dealing with? Should we get rid of red/yellow cards in case a ref makes a mistake? Probably can't give penalties then either in case they get that wrong too.

Well when you put it like that, it's strange why there's so many discussions about referees

Refs/umpires/officals get discussed in every sport. Why do you think the GAA should be different? The players are amateurs but they get analysed like professional athletes.

Do you really think referees are incapable of judging what is or isn't a clear goal scoring opportunity?

Again like I said already we question the calls on black cards yellow cards and red cards!

The games that I'm concerned with are 99% of our games, the grass roots, if you are only into intercounty that's fine, most calls will have the benefit of 8 officials!

In the sticks he won't, cynical play will happen further out the field and as someone has mentioned sweepers will play deeper, the game will become more defensive
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 11:11:47 PM
Strange how referees at all amateur levels in football/rugby are willing to implement red cards/penalties for professional fouls but GAA refs won't do it for some reason.

Why do you think that is?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 28, 2021, 11:11:47 PM
Strange how referees at all amateur levels in football/rugby are willing to implement red cards/penalties for professional fouls but GAA refs won't do it for some reason.

Why do you think that is?

Personally I hate the paperwork and they usually get off with it once it goes to cccc..  :D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.

Rugby and soccer referees don't do it for a living either. The Premiership is unique in having full time referees
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.

Rugby and soccer referees don't do it for a living either. The Premiership is unique in having full time referees

And they still get it wrong even with VAR on board!

Well I'll look forward to the non discussion of the rules applied by the ref during the season, his interpretation of the rules will be fine, as its an easy call.

The referee's I've spoke to have said this will be a cluster f**k, no one of them have said brilliant this will make the game easier to manage. Like I said earlier, take this to a pitch with no lines, certainly a semi circle missing, and sidelines shouting for penalties..

County grounds during championship will have 8 officials helping out, 99% of the other matches played, won't. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.

Rugby and soccer referees don't do it for a living either. The Premiership is unique in having full time referees

And they still get it wrong even with VAR on board!

Well I'll look forward to the non discussion of the rules applied by the ref during the season, his interpretation of the rules will be fine, as its an easy call.

The referee's I've spoke to have said this will be a cluster f**k, no one of them have said brilliant this will make the game easier to manage. Like I said earlier, take this to a pitch with no lines, certainly a semi circle missing, and sidelines shouting for penalties..

County grounds during championship will have 8 officials helping out, 99% of the other matches played, won't.

Who plays on pitches without lines. Referees at all levels in football/rugby down to bottom of the barrel sunday league level are trusted to get make these decisions. They're playing on bang average pitches as well and they also have to deal with players/sidelines shouting for penalties, red cards as well.

The reason the rules are being brought in is to try to take cynical fouling out of the game and improve the game, not as a test for referees 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.

Rugby and soccer referees don't do it for a living either. The Premiership is unique in having full time referees

And they still get it wrong even with VAR on board!

Well I'll look forward to the non discussion of the rules applied by the ref during the season, his interpretation of the rules will be fine, as its an easy call.

The referee's I've spoke to have said this will be a cluster f**k, no one of them have said brilliant this will make the game easier to manage. Like I said earlier, take this to a pitch with no lines, certainly a semi circle missing, and sidelines shouting for penalties..

County grounds during championship will have 8 officials helping out, 99% of the other matches played, won't.

Who plays on pitches without lines. Referees at all levels in football/rugby down to bottom of the barrel sunday league level are trusted to get make these decisions. They're playing on bang average pitches as well and they also have to deal with players/sidelines shouting for penalties, red cards as well.

The reason the rules are being brought in is to try to take cynical fouling out of the game and improve the game, not as a test for referees

I'm not saying the rules for cynical fouling is wrong, they have rules in place for it, for the past few seasons, its called a black card, sin bin.

This rule  is saying that the penalty area is now extended to the sidelines  of the 21 into the corner flag and in the D of the pitch, should the referee feel that that its a goal scoring opportunity, my problem is. and I'll have to administrate this in in every game, was that a goal scoring opportunity? I'm happy and in my knowledge I'll know, but I can see this turning into a farce.  Just my opinion

And yes, I've refereed hundreds of games at all levels and there are pitches that I go to every year around the county and indeed other counties and markings on the pitch are abysmal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on March 01, 2021, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
These are amateurs just like the players, players make more mistakes during a match than the referee.

The judgement calls are analysed as if they did this as their job,  the introduction of the Mark rules forward and defence marks, black cards, sin bins, now we have penalty calls outside the box.

I'm not talking about Championship football at Croke, I'm talking about some country pitch during a dive 4 league game, this is the reality, not the great lined out pitches with refs mic'd up to linesmen and fourth officials and umpires.

Rugby and soccer referees don't do it for a living either. The Premiership is unique in having full time referees

And they still get it wrong even with VAR on board!

Well I'll look forward to the non discussion of the rules applied by the ref during the season, his interpretation of the rules will be fine, as its an easy call.

The referee's I've spoke to have said this will be a cluster f**k, no one of them have said brilliant this will make the game easier to manage. Like I said earlier, take this to a pitch with no lines, certainly a semi circle missing, and sidelines shouting for penalties..

County grounds during championship will have 8 officials helping out, 99% of the other matches played, won't.

Who plays on pitches without lines. Referees at all levels in football/rugby down to bottom of the barrel sunday league level are trusted to get make these decisions. They're playing on bang average pitches as well and they also have to deal with players/sidelines shouting for penalties, red cards as well.

The reason the rules are being brought in is to try to take cynical fouling out of the game and improve the game, not as a test for referees

I'm not saying the rules for cynical fouling is wrong, they have rules in place for it, for the past few seasons, its called a black card, sin bin.

This rule  is saying that the penalty area is now extended to the sidelines  of the 21 into the corner flag and in the D of the pitch, should the referee feel that that its a goal scoring opportunity, my problem is. and I'll have to administrate this in in every game, was that a goal scoring opportunity? I'm happy and in my knowledge I'll know, but I can see this turning into a farce.  Just my opinion

And yes, I've refereed hundreds of games at all levels and there are pitches that I go to every year around the county and indeed other counties and markings on the pitch are abysmal.

Making the referees job impossible, refs are now asked to implement the same standard/ rules in club games that are being done in top inter county games, the suits need to realise that GAA is played outside the big stadiums. Also on the pitches without lines etc, nothing compares to Mitchell's old pitch up at poleglass, never mind lines ya were lucky to see posts!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 11:52:43 AM
Aye, listen I did a Ulster league game in County Down last year, just before we lockdown, there wasn't a line on the pitch. this was a div 1 game!

These are getting less in fairness, but it does happen and 99% of our games are played by clubs, not interecounty
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 12:12:03 PM
There's a problem with the definition of cynical foul in general, it's totally arbitrary

Like, a trip is classed as cynical but a pull back isn't

Philly McMahon did a pull back on Cillian O'Connor after about 60 minutes of the 2017 All-Ireland which was as cynical as they come - the ref allowed the advantage, O'Connor did end up getting a point from play, but had he not been pulled back he probably would have stuck the ball in the net

Fouls high up the pitch are deeply cynical, they prevent the opposition from moving the ball quickly from one end of the pitch to the other

Manchester City are experts at this in association football, Dublin did it in 2013 and 2017 against Mayo, Tyrone were expert at it, Kerry too

This new rule about a penalty for a "cynical" foul is in because of that trip by Eoghan McLaughlin on Sean Kelly at the end of the Connacht final

But what exactly is a goalscoring opportunity, what is it in football, what is it in hurling?

In the Kelly/McLaughlin one, there was a covering defender, if you didn't need a goal you'd probably fist a point, at two points down three minutes into injury time you'd go for goal - if you can get a shot in, and Kelly might not have done

If Kevin McManamon had been hacked down 40 yards out against Kerry in 2013, would that not have been a goalscoring opportunity?

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on March 01, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 11:52:43 AM
Aye, listen I did a Ulster league game in County Down last year, just before we lockdown, there wasn't a line on the pitch. this was a div 1 game!


Lazy "Nordies" need to up their pitch preparations rather than not introducing a rule because some clubs don't mark their pitches.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?

That's very vague and impossible to answer. Is it at the corner flag, 45m line or edge of the penalty area?

If its at the corner flag then probably no, but if its on the edge of the penalty area then yes


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?

That's very vague and impossible to answer. Is it at the corner flag, 45m line or edge of the penalty area?

If its at the corner flag then probably no, but if its on the edge of the penalty area then yes

I've seen many a goal opportunity when the attacker beats a man along the end line (mainly hurling) and is in on goal, should the defender bring him down at the end line by the corner flag or by the side line at the 21, will I give a penalty?

I'll probably not and call it as I see it, but there will be cries of "he was clean in on goal ya muppet"
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on March 01, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
As Sid said earlier, cynical foul can happen without it being a black card offense.

So your man is past the last defender just last the 21m out and defender manages to pull him back.

Under rules now

- It's a free and a tick to player who done it.

Imagine this at a club game. The supports will be calling for the defender to be lynched but under the rules the referee could give just give a free in.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 05:02:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?

That's very vague and impossible to answer. Is it at the corner flag, 45m line or edge of the penalty area?

If its at the corner flag then probably no, but if its on the edge of the penalty area then yes

I've seen many a goal opportunity when the attacker beats a man along the end line (mainly hurling) and is in on goal, should the defender bring him down at the end line by the corner flag or by the side line at the 21, will I give a penalty?

I'll probably not and call it as I see it, but there will be cries of "he was clean in on goal ya muppet"

Depends on a few factors. The speed of the player, is there any defenders who can get back to tackle him before he reaches the goal. Distance to the goal etc. You can't just simply say in theory that is/isn't a penalty until you see it happen live 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: lenny on March 01, 2021, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?

That's very vague and impossible to answer. Is it at the corner flag, 45m line or edge of the penalty area?

If its at the corner flag then probably no, but if its on the edge of the penalty area then yes

I've seen many a goal opportunity when the attacker beats a man along the end line (mainly hurling) and is in on goal, should the defender bring him down at the end line by the corner flag or by the side line at the 21, will I give a penalty?

I'll probably not and call it as I see it, but there will be cries of "he was clean in on goal ya muppet"

I'd expect referees to get training which will cover what types of situations will be a penalty. It's a positive rule change, like all changes there wil be mistakes and talking points but it should cut some cynicism out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 01, 2021, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 01, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
So if he's dragged down and there is a player in a position that could also tackle him and prevent a goal will it be a penalty or not?

2 on 1 - 2 attackers and 1 defender, he pulls the first forward down and stops the play, is this a penalty? Is it a clear goal scoring chance?

That's very vague and impossible to answer. Is it at the corner flag, 45m line or edge of the penalty area?

If its at the corner flag then probably no, but if its on the edge of the penalty area then yes

I've seen many a goal opportunity when the attacker beats a man along the end line (mainly hurling) and is in on goal, should the defender bring him down at the end line by the corner flag or by the side line at the 21, will I give a penalty?

I'll probably not and call it as I see it, but there will be cries of "he was clean in on goal ya muppet"

I'd expect referees to get training which will cover what types of situations will be a penalty. It's a positive rule change, like all changes there wil be mistakes and talking points but it should cut some cynicism out.

Would have to be a zoom training session with smaller groups, but not impossible. Listen I'm just gurning now as I'll be getting it in my ear all summer
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2021, 10:34:47 PM
A player has the ball in front of the posts, and fists it into the square where a teammate arrives to finish to the net.

If the eventual goalscorer WASN'T in the square when the ball was played, but another teammate WAS in the square (lets say, at the other post), does the goal stand?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on August 04, 2021, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 01, 2021, 10:34:47 PM
A player has the ball in front of the posts, and fists it into the square where a teammate arrives to finish to the net.

If the eventual goalscorer WASN'T in the square when the ball was played, but another teammate WAS in the square (lets say, at the other post), does the goal stand?

Quote4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle:
(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the final play of the ball into the small rectangle.
(b) In Set Play, before the ball enters the small rectangle.
Exceptions:
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the small rectangle, and the ball is played from that area but is returned before the attacking player has time to leave the area, provided he does not play the ball or interfere with the defence, a foul is not committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently high to be out of reach of all players, the score shall be allowed even though an attacking player may have been otherwise illegally within the small rectangle before the ball - provided that the player in question does not interfere with the defence.

My reading of the rule is that the goal doesn't stand.
Like a lot of other rules in the rule-book the wording isn't the clearest.
Neither of the exceptions apply and the player [who didn't touch the ball] was in the small rectangle before the ball.
My understanding of exception (i) is that the ball has to leave the small rectangle and come back into it again.
As long as the player doesn't play the ball or interfere with the defence ["interfere" seems to be a very poor choice of words here - I'd say there's no way to be standing in the small rectangle and not be interfering to some extent.] the goal can stand. However in the example above there is no mention of the ball leaving the small rectangle.
I'd imagine in practice that a fair few goals have been given that should have been chalked because of this rule.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 10:43:05 PM
Ben McDonnell black card today. In my opinion it was clearly the most "cynical" of the three incidents that resulted in black cards. I don't remember exactly and can't find a clip but I don't think the player actually performed one of the actions listed which warrants a black card.  I think he lifted a Kerry player off the ground and held him for a few seconds, deliberately holding up play (during a break in play).
https://dunshaughlinandroyalgaels.com/rules-specifications/
Quote
(4) The Black Card:

The Black Card: 'Cynical behaviour' includes these infractions:

(i) 'to deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away'

(ii) 'to deliberately trip an opponent'

(iii) 'to deliberately pull down an opponent'

(iv) 'to threaten or use abusive language or gestures to an opponent or teammate'

(v) 'to remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official'

The penalty for the above fouls is:

Free Kick from where the foul occurred.
Player Ordered Off by showing him a Black Card, Player will now spend 10 minutes off the field.
No substitute allowed, reducing his side's numbers for that period.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Thoughts are the black card has been and will continue to be a total farce of a rule. The same ref can somehow see the exact same incidents in the same game and give one a black and the other a yellow. If the sin bin is to continue (at least they changed to a sin bin which is much better than the old system) then it really needs sorted out. Remove the exact nature of what qualifies as a black card and just change it to something like, obvious cynical play attempting to stop a goal scoring chance. You can't be giving them for accidental trips or accidental collisions. The clothesline tackle now being a yellow is the safest way currently for a player to stop a man with the ball getting past him. It's nonsense that a rule designed to stop cynicism has encouraged dangerous play.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on August 30, 2021, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 10:43:05 PM
Ben McDonnell black card today. In my opinion it was clearly the most "cynical" of the three incidents that resulted in black cards. I don't remember exactly and can't find a clip but I don't think the player actually performed one of the actions listed which warrants a black card.  I think he lifted a Kerry player off the ground and held him for a few seconds, deliberately holding up play (during a break in play).
https://dunshaughlinandroyalgaels.com/rules-specifications/
Quote
(4) The Black Card:

The Black Card: 'Cynical behaviour' includes these infractions:

(i) 'to deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away'

(ii) 'to deliberately trip an opponent'

(iii) 'to deliberately pull down an opponent'

(iv) 'to threaten or use abusive language or gestures to an opponent or teammate'

(v) 'to remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official'

The penalty for the above fouls is:

Free Kick from where the foul occurred.
Player Ordered Off by showing him a Black Card, Player will now spend 10 minutes off the field.
No substitute allowed, reducing his side's numbers for that period.
Any thoughts?
It wasn't a break in play and it was a deliberate pull down
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Yeah I rewatched it. It wasn't a break in play. I'm not too sure if I would call it a pull down.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 09:30:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Yeah I rewatched it. It wasn't a break in play. I'm not too sure if I would call it a pull down.

Was he trying to play the ball?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 09:30:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Yeah I rewatched it. It wasn't a break in play. I'm not too sure if I would call it a pull down.

Was he trying to play the ball?
No.
Can a player be black carded for something other than the 5 offences listed above? Genuine question.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 09:30:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Yeah I rewatched it. It wasn't a break in play. I'm not too sure if I would call it a pull down.

Was he trying to play the ball?
No.
Can a player be black carded for something other than the 5 offences listed above? Genuine question.

If he wasn't trying to play the ball then what was he doing?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
Deliberately running down the clock. I think that's obvious.

Can you answer my question? I genuinely want to know if the rules as they are written would allow for such a thing.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
Deliberately running down the clock. I think that's obvious.

Can you answer my question? I genuinely want to know if the rules as they are written would allow for such a thing.

I will if I can see a clip

Or what minute did it happen, I can check
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:54:26 PM
https://youtu.be/Csriv2l3TJc
1.57.12 into video
ET 20.40 on match clock
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 10:02:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:54:26 PM
https://youtu.be/Csriv2l3TJc
1.57.12 into video
ET 20.40 on match clock

Black card (iii).. Not sure how this can be disputed tbh
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:54:26 PM
https://youtu.be/Csriv2l3TJc
1.57.12 into video
ET 20.40 on match clock

Are you serious? He cynically held up the player, anyone who thinks otherwise is blindsided by loyalty
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Yes he held up the player I don't know if I would call it a pull down though. Read my original post I called it out as an obvious cynical foul but in my opinion it doesn't meet the criteria for a black card as the rules are written.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on August 30, 2021, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 30, 2021, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Yeah I rewatched it. It wasn't a break in play. I'm not too sure if I would call it a pull down.
How was it not? He wrapped his arms around him and put him on the ground.

Can't argue with any of the black cards. However there was a clear hand trip in the first half which completely unpunished. That to me was the clearest black card.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 10:43:05 PM
Ben McDonnell black card today. In my opinion it was clearly the most "cynical" of the three incidents that resulted in black cards. I don't remember exactly and can't find a clip but I don't think the player actually performed one of the actions listed which warrants a black card.  I think he lifted a Kerry player off the ground and held him for a few seconds, deliberately holding up play (during a break in play).
https://dunshaughlinandroyalgaels.com/rules-specifications/
Quote
(4) The Black Card:

The Black Card: 'Cynical behaviour' includes these infractions:

(i) 'to deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away'

(ii) 'to deliberately trip an opponent'

(iii) 'to deliberately pull down an opponent'

(iv) 'to threaten or use abusive language or gestures to an opponent or teammate'

(v) 'to remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official'

The penalty for the above fouls is:

Free Kick from where the foul occurred.
Player Ordered Off by showing him a Black Card, Player will now spend 10 minutes off the field.
No substitute allowed, reducing his side's numbers for that period.
Any thoughts?

Cynical but technically only yellow card. I think  ball should be moved 50 metres up the field. Current rules encourage forwards to foul higher up the pitch.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Yes he held up the player I don't know if I would call it a pull down though. Read my original post I called it out as an obvious cynical foul but in my opinion it doesn't meet the criteria for a black card as the rules are written.

You're right in that context but there would be no complaints from anyone in any game. Considering the importance and timing it was correct
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on August 30, 2021, 10:27:35 PM
I think the issue may be that you haven't got the full definition of the rule there. It's rule 5.12 which makes it a black card

To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

There's a strong argument that's exactly what he was doing. I'm less convinced about the second black card Tyrone got. I thought the ball and the play were far enough gone that it wasn't a black card.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Seen this the other day, and spoke with others about it also....

Football, keeper kicks the ball out, defender/midfielder catches the ball, the ref as usual blows for the mark and is claimed by catcher, the player then passes the ball back to the keeper.. play on or foul?

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general on September 27, 2021, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Seen this the other day, and spoke with others about it also....

Football, keeper kicks the ball out, defender/midfielder catches the ball, the ref as usual blows for the mark and is claimed by catcher, the player then passes the ball back to the keeper.. play on or foul?

Foul -

Rule 2.7(a) and (c) applies.
• Kick-out shall be taken from the ground at the centre of 20m line.
• Kick-out cannot be kicked backwards.
• All players to be outside 20m line, 13m from the ball and outside the semi-circle arc.
• Goalkeeper not taking the kick-out shall remain in the small rectangle.
• If the defender is kicking out the ball, the rule does not prevent the ball been played
back to the defender.
• The ball shall not travel less than 13m and outside the 20m before been played by
another member of the defending team.
• The player who directly receives the ball from a kick-out cannot pass the ball back to
the goalkeeper without another person playing it. Free to be taken from where the
Goalkeeper receives the ball.

o "Pass" means all passes, including kick passes (from the hand or the ground)
and hand passes.
o To "Pass the ball directly back to goalkeeper" should be interpreted as cannot
be passed to the goalkeeper, regardless of direction.
o Free is conceded when the Goalkeeper plays the ball.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on September 27, 2021, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Seen this the other day, and spoke with others about it also....

Football, keeper kicks the ball out, defender/midfielder catches the ball, the ref as usual blows for the mark and is claimed by catcher, the player then passes the ball back to the keeper.. play on or foul?

My view:

If mark is claimed it's a new play, so next kick is the first phase of a play (for want of a better phrase), not a continuation of the kickout phase, so no foul. Similarly, if keeper kicks the ball out to his 7, but the opposition 12 clearly fouled him before the ball reaches him and ref blows for a free. Then the free kick can be passed back to the keeper.

Whereas if the mark wasn't claimed and midfielder plays on, then it's the same phase of play, so if he then passes to the keeper it would be a foul.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dunsilly King on September 27, 2021, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2021, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Seen this the other day, and spoke with others about it also....

Football, keeper kicks the ball out, defender/midfielder catches the ball, the ref as usual blows for the mark and is claimed by catcher, the player then passes the ball back to the keeper.. play on or foul?

My view:

If mark is claimed it's a new play, so next kick is the first phase of a play (for want of a better phrase), not a continuation of the kickout phase, so no foul. Similarly, if keeper kicks the ball out to his 7, but the opposition 12 clearly fouled him before the ball reaches him and ref blows for a free. Then the free kick can be passed back to the keeper.

Whereas if the mark wasn't claimed and midfielder plays on, then it's the same phase of play, so if he then passes to the keeper it would be a foul.

Thats my view as well.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: general on September 27, 2021, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Seen this the other day, and spoke with others about it also....

Football, keeper kicks the ball out, defender/midfielder catches the ball, the ref as usual blows for the mark and is claimed by catcher, the player then passes the ball back to the keeper.. play on or foul?

Foul -

Rule 2.7(a) and (c) applies.
• Kick-out shall be taken from the ground at the centre of 20m line.
• Kick-out cannot be kicked backwards.
• All players to be outside 20m line, 13m from the ball and outside the semi-circle arc.
• Goalkeeper not taking the kick-out shall remain in the small rectangle.
• If the defender is kicking out the ball, the rule does not prevent the ball been played
back to the defender.
• The ball shall not travel less than 13m and outside the 20m before been played by
another member of the defending team.
• The player who directly receives the ball from a kick-out cannot pass the ball back to
the goalkeeper without another person playing it. Free to be taken from where the
Goalkeeper receives the ball.

o "Pass" means all passes, including kick passes (from the hand or the ground)
and hand passes.
o To "Pass the ball directly back to goalkeeper" should be interpreted as cannot
be passed to the goalkeeper, regardless of direction.
o Free is conceded when the Goalkeeper plays the ball.

And I get that, but when a referee blows his whistle is that the start of a new play? Has anyone seen it either way since the mark and pass back to keeper rule has been in play? why You'd do it in the first place is baffling, but it happened
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: BennyCake on November 10, 2021, 11:44:12 AM
Was reading an article in Gaelic Life this morning about a Derry match in the 80's. Some of the players got lost going to Mayo, and the referee threw the ball in, even  though Derry only had 13 men on the pitch.

Is this allowed? I thought if a team didn't have the full 15 players, they forfeited the game?

Anyway, if a match is   allowed to go ahead without the full 15 , when those players take to the field after the match starts, is that  counted as a substitute?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 10, 2021, 11:44:12 AM
Was reading an article in Gaelic Life this morning about a Derry match in the 80's. Some of the players got lost going to Mayo, and the referee threw the ball in, even  though Derry only had 13 men on the pitch.

Is this allowed? I thought if a team didn't have the full 15 players, they forfeited the game?

Anyway, if a match is   allowed to go ahead without the full 15 , when those players take to the field after the match starts, is that  counted as a substitute?

13 to start but 15 by the start of the second half. In the event of failure to comply the game shall continue... I think  ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on November 10, 2021, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 10, 2021, 11:44:12 AM
Was reading an article in Gaelic Life this morning about a Derry match in the 80's. Some of the players got lost going to Mayo, and the referee threw the ball in, even  though Derry only had 13 men on the pitch.

Is this allowed? I thought if a team didn't have the full 15 players, they forfeited the game?

Anyway, if a match is   allowed to go ahead without the full 15 , when those players take to the field after the match starts, is that  counted as a substitute?

You must have 15 players at the start of the 2nd half in championship games.
League rules can vary by county   but  you can play 14 v 15 for example
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2021, 08:04:14 AM
Former leading referee Barry Kelly has lamented the lack of tolerance shown to match officials making errors.

After a weekend when referees Jerome Henry and Johnny Murphy came in for abuse on and off the field respectively, four-time All-Ireland SHC final referee Kelly believes the current crop are shown little or no patience unlike players.

Referring to the Connacht Club SFC semi-final in Roscommon on Saturday when Barry McHugh was denied a mark and referee Henry was later bumped by Mountbellew-Moylough players, Kelly said: "Jerome made a mistake, that can't be disputed. It was a mark. For whatever reason, Jerome didn't call it and that can happen.

"But there is such an intolerance for referees making mistakes. A Ballyhale player (Joe Cuddihy) was sent off before half-time against St Rynaghs. I'm quite sure TJ Reid, Colin Fennelly, or Adrian Mullen didn't give him a complete and utter bollocking in the dressing room. And I'm quite sure the Ballyhale supporters didn't turn on him either and correctly so.

"He made a mistake and he could have cost his club a place in the Leinster club final. John McGrath made a similar mistake in reacting like he did. He was probably being annoyed by the Ballygunner player but it's not him but the referee who receives the criticism.

"I'm going to games, still refereeing some and the threshold for a referee to make a mistake is one. You could be lucky enough and 10 minutes gone and you haven't heard a peep from anyone. Then maybe you might make a wrong call and suddenly it's as if you committed an act of gross cruelty, a complete overreaction."

Kelly believes feelings run higher in club fixtures. "For the majority of GAA people, the club arouses the most passion. People are ultimately club people and if you offer them the choice of winning a county final or the county winning the All-Ireland, it would be the club winning the county final.


"You take this time of year and any club still involved whether it's Mountbellew-Moylough, Pádraig Pearses, Ballyhale... those clubs have had successful years and by and large have won the vast majority, if not all of their matches. Therefore, the supporters are used to winning.

"But you're not entitled to win every game and we're not entitled to perfection. People will deny that and say they just want common sense but why can't they appreciate that the referee as well as their own players can make a mistake?"

Negative comments on social media about the performances of the referees have also disappointed Kelly.

Current and former hurlers weighed in to criticise Murphy's handling of the Munster Club SHC semi-final in Fraher Field. "People have to realise that just because you're passionate about a club or a county doesn't give you carte blanche to lose basic standards of decency.

"A lot of social media is just a forum for people to make comments without backing them up. I saw over the weekend comments like 'what are the GAA doing about the standard of refereeing?' There is a huge amount of work being done in the last 15 to 20 years and I've no doubt in my mind that the standard is better than it ever has been."
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on April 03, 2022, 03:07:55 PM
Ladies football:

Defender hand passes ball into her own net without anyone touching it.

Goal disallowed. Correct decision. Yes?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 03, 2022, 04:07:29 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 03, 2022, 03:07:55 PM
Ladies football:

Defender hand passes ball into her own net without anyone touching it.

Goal disallowed. Correct decision. Yes?

Not sure about ladies but would be a goal anywhere else.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2022, 04:15:54 PM
If a defender fist passes the ball into his own net surely it doesn't count?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
It has been a few years since I played but I would swear I have played in a game where it's been disallowed!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on April 03, 2022, 07:02:13 PM

QuoteA goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

Exceptions:
A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score;
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal-line, or
(ii) with his hand(s).

In men's if a player plays it over his own goal-line it's a goal - if it didn't count as a goal you would see defenders/goalies under pressure putting the ball into their own net all the time.

From the Ladies rule book

QuoteA score results when the ball is kicked, flicked, fisted or palmed in flight by any part of the body, except when thrown or carried over the line by the Attacking Side.

QuoteShould a defender play the ball in any manner through her own scoring space it shall count as a score.

Pretty much the exact same rule in both codes - if a defender hand-passes into their own goal it should count as a goal in both codes.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on April 03, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
I was referee and disallowed it.

But, I will learn from this.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 03, 2022, 07:02:13 PM

QuoteA goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

Exceptions:
A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score;
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal-line, or
(ii) with his hand(s).

In men's if a player plays it over his own goal-line it's a goal - if it didn't count as a goal you would see defenders/goalies under pressure putting the ball into their own net all the time.

From the Ladies rule book

QuoteA score results when the ball is kicked, flicked, fisted or palmed in flight by any part of the body, except when thrown or carried over the line by the Attacking Side.

QuoteShould a defender play the ball in any manner through her own scoring space it shall count as a score.

Pretty much the exact same rule in both codes - if a defender hand-passes into their own goal it should count as a goal in both codes.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on April 03, 2022, 07:10:36 PM
Team qualified yesterday for the final and won the competition today. So luckily it didn't matter , but i learnt something new.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: theticklemister on April 03, 2022, 07:54:26 PM
Crossed the flags and free out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on April 03, 2022, 08:26:37 PM
Was the last goal by Kerry in today's League final legal?
When the Kerry player kicked the ball Jason Foley was outside the square, it then deflected off a Mayo player and at the time of the deflection he was inside the square.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on April 03, 2022, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on April 03, 2022, 08:26:37 PM
Was the last goal by Kerry in today's League final legal?
When the Kerry player kicked the ball Jason Foley was outside the square, it then deflected off a Mayo player and at the time of the deflection he was inside the square.

I watched the footage back and was able to pause it showing Foley outside the square after the deflection, so clearly not a square ball.

However the rule book could be clearer in it's wording and I think it would have been a harsh interpretation to assess the deflection as the final play.

There is of course no definition of what is or isn't a final play anywhere in the rule book but I would think must people would assume the kick by the Kerry player was the final play.

Looks like the wording could be improved by the addition of the word deliberate so that the rule read

(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the final deliberate play of the ball into the small rectangle.

This would mean that even if he was in the square before the ball was deflected but after the other Kerry player had kicked it the goal would stand - I presume most people would be ok with the rule being enforced this way ?

Current rule

Quote4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle:
(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the final play of the ball into the small rectangle.
(b) In Set Play, before the ball enters the small rectangle.

Exceptions:
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the small rectangle, and the ball is played from that area but is returned before the attacking player has time to leave the area, provided he does not play the ball or interfere with the defence, a foul is not committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently high to be out of reach of all players, the score shall be allowed even though an attacking player may have been otherwise illegally within the small rectangle before the ball – provided that the player in question does not interfere with the
defence
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.

There are some rules that need to be written better though, and in fairness if I had have seen it I probably would have allowed it to continue..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Didn't know that one myself re setting the ball down then picking it up. Probably not a whole pile of need for that rule in the first place.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Didn't know that one myself re setting the ball down then picking it up. Probably not a whole pile of need for that rule in the first place.

Yeah but it's there. Once you leave indicate how the kick is to be taken you can't change your Mind. In that instance the Kildare had just taken a kick from the ground. Had placed the ball and addressed it. There was then a gust of wind and he changed his mind.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on April 04, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Didn't know that one myself re setting the ball down then picking it up. Probably not a whole pile of need for that rule in the first place.

Think its a fair enough rule, prob to try stop for example a team leaving the ball for a keeper to come up take a free he sets the ball up wastes the guts of 90 secs he then lifts it and plays it back 30 yards, just to stop time wasting id say
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on April 04, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Didn't know that one myself re setting the ball down then picking it up. Probably not a whole pile of need for that rule in the first place.

Think its a fair enough rule, prob to try stop for example a team leaving the ball for a keeper to come up take a free he sets the ball up wastes the guts of 90 secs he then lifts it and plays it back 30 yards, just to stop time wasting id say
Fair point, although nothing stopping him going backwards off the ground either lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on April 04, 2022, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on April 04, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
It's handy that your were able to pause it to see whether he was inside or not, the referee hasn't that ability to do that..

Was approached at half time yesterday by one of the umpires from the home team, claiming a free kick should have been disallowed as the player (I think he said) kicked it twice? As in he motioned to kick it, then toe tapped it before settling himself to take it 'again' To be fair I was jotting something into my book but he may have been right..

Obviously he wasn't happy and told me to do my job right ;D

I have a real problem with this one. I agree with that umpire but it's rarely enforced (if I am even correct). I've seen it enforced once though in a match between Monaghan and Tyrone in Croke park in the mid to late noughties.

Similarly in the Armagh v Kildare league game I was screaming at McQuillian for not knowing the rules when he allowed a Kildare player to set a ball down for a free kick before changing his mind and opting to take it from the hand. In fairness no one around me seemed to know that wasn't allowed either.
Didn't know that one myself re setting the ball down then picking it up. Probably not a whole pile of need for that rule in the first place.

Think its a fair enough rule, prob to try stop for example a team leaving the ball for a keeper to come up take a free he sets the ball up wastes the guts of 90 secs he then lifts it and plays it back 30 yards, just to stop time wasting id say
Fair point, although nothing stopping him going backwards off the ground either lol

And they do. If a keeper is coming up to take a free, he shouldn't be allowed to play it short
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 04, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2022, 12:14:57 PMAnd they do. If a keeper is coming up to take a free, he shouldn't be allowed to play it short

Funnily enough in "rarely enforced rules" at least for football, the amount of times I've seen a free kick being taken where the ball hasn't traveled at least 13 metres before a team mate takes possession of the ball.
Really? You'd see this one called out plenty in my experience, any hint that it might have been too short will normally be jumped on by opposition.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on April 04, 2022, 02:51:48 PM
The biggest rule breaker is frees from the hand.
The average steal must be 10m now!
Time to use the soccer spray thingy.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 04, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2022, 12:14:57 PMAnd they do. If a keeper is coming up to take a free, he shouldn't be allowed to play it short

Funnily enough in "rarely enforced rules" at least for football, the amount of times I've seen a free kick being taken where the ball hasn't traveled at least 13 metres before a team mate takes possession of the ball.

Is that the rule?  I always thought the rule was that the player receiving the ball must have been 13 metres from the kicker when the kick was taken. So they could receive the ball within 13 metres but had they been standing next to the player they couldn't get it no matter how far it was kicked.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on April 04, 2022, 06:24:46 PM
I thought you needed to be 13 metres away when kicked not when you receive it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
I'm still not sure what the rule is. You have to be 13m away from the kicker when free is taken but could you run 12m towards the kicker say and pick it up one meter away from them?  The quoted rule doesn't really answer the issue.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
I'm still not sure what the rule is. You have to be 13m away from the kicker when free is taken but could you run 12m towards the kicker say and pick it up one meter away from them?  The quoted rule doesn't really answer the issue.

Personally if he's 13m away and manages to sprint 12m when the ball is played then play on!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on April 25, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
Yesterday in Ballybofey.
Rian O Neills 'goal'.

Anyone care to offer an opinion on what the free out was awarded for?
What could the referee have done differently?
If the same call happens this weekend in another high profile game what would the referee this week have learnt from Sunday?

Also point of clarification for anyone thinking I'm griping - I'm not...
My username points to my affiliated club and I am no supporter of Armagh football  :-X
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on April 25, 2022, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on April 25, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
Yesterday in Ballybofey.
Rian O Neills 'goal'.

Anyone care to offer an opinion on what the free out was awarded for?
What could the referee have done differently?
If the same call happens this weekend in another high profile game what would the referee this week have learnt from Sunday?

Also point of clarification for anyone thinking I'm griping - I'm not...
My username points to my affiliated club and I am no supporter of Armagh football  :-X

I'd thought that it was a foul on the gk inside the small rectangle
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rosnarun on April 25, 2022, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 25, 2022, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on April 25, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
Yesterday in Ballybofey.
Rian O Neills 'goal'.

Anyone care to offer an opinion on what the free out was awarded for?
What could the referee have done differently?
If the same call happens this weekend in another high profile game what would the referee this week have learnt from Sunday?

Also point of clarification for anyone thinking I'm griping - I'm not...
My username points to my affiliated club and I am no supporter of Armagh football  :-X

I'd thought that it was a foul on the gk inside the small rectangle
I really think the Ref just wanted to clean up a messy situation.
happening all thr time now when a guy on the ground is penalized if he doesn't get out of there in a couple of seconds even though its clear no specific rule is being broken.
  the ref is the boss and does what ever he likes .
its only sendings off that are appealed and they are proven to be wrong half the time
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 25, 2022, 02:33:03 PM
I noticed that several of Donegal's kickout's yesterday against Armagh violated Rule 2.7(a) of the football playing rules, which states that they must be taken from the centre point of the 20 metre line.

Quote2.7 (a) When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the centre point of the 20m line and shall be kicked forward.

The only time it should be allowed is when that area is deemed unplayable, just move it to the side would be ok, not 2 meters away
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: TabClear on April 25, 2022, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
I'm still not sure what the rule is. You have to be 13m away from the kicker when free is taken but could you run 12m towards the kicker say and pick it up one meter away from them?  The quoted rule doesn't really answer the issue.

Personally if he's 13m away and manages to sprint 12m when the ball is played then play on!!

So the "fake" soccer corner routine is legal? Say you have a 20 yard free in the last minute 2 points down with all opposition team on the goalline. Player A just drops the ball onto his toe and walks on. Player B coming like a train from 20 yards behind him could chip the ball up and take a blast at goal from a lot closer? Depending how switched on the defenders were and if they thought Player A was leaving the ball for B, they might not even have moved from the line?  :D :D

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 25, 2022, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
I'm still not sure what the rule is. You have to be 13m away from the kicker when free is taken but could you run 12m towards the kicker say and pick it up one meter away from them?  The quoted rule doesn't really answer the issue.

Personally if he's 13m away and manages to sprint 12m when the ball is played then play on!!

So the "fake" soccer corner routine is legal? Say you have a 20 yard free in the last minute 2 points down with all opposition team on the goalline. Player A just drops the ball onto his toe and walks on. Player B coming like a train from 20 yards behind him could chip the ball up and take a blast at goal from a lot closer? Depending how switched on the defenders were and if they thought Player A was leaving the ball for B, they might not even have moved from the line?  :D :D

Yeah but if he drops the ball he must make contact with it, then a player 13 meters behind him can lift it and play on. I remember being caught out like that in a hurling match 21 yard free, 10 on the line (before the 5 only rule) ball played square on the 21 and our positioning all wrong and shot blasted into the net!

I'm sure routines could be and should be played by players to gain advantages within the rules
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on May 29, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
'When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.'

How many referees know this rule. The amount of frees given to goalkeepers just because they are getting tackled is unreal
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on May 29, 2022, 03:23:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 25, 2022, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 04, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
I'm still not sure what the rule is. You have to be 13m away from the kicker when free is taken but could you run 12m towards the kicker say and pick it up one meter away from them?  The quoted rule doesn't really answer the issue.

Personally if he's 13m away and manages to sprint 12m when the ball is played then play on!!

So the "fake" soccer corner routine is legal? Say you have a 20 yard free in the last minute 2 points down with all opposition team on the goalline. Player A just drops the ball onto his toe and walks on. Player B coming like a train from 20 yards behind him could chip the ball up and take a blast at goal from a lot closer? Depending how switched on the defenders were and if they thought Player A was leaving the ball for B, they might not even have moved from the line?  :D :D

Yeah but if he drops the ball he must make contact with it, then a player 13 meters behind him can lift it and play on. I remember being caught out like that in a hurling match 21 yard free, 10 on the line (before the 5 only rule) ball played square on the 21 and our positioning all wrong and shot blasted into the net!

I'm sure routines could be and should be played by players to gain advantages within the rules

You should write a wee booklet MR - give us all the inside insight.  :)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on June 01, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 01, 2022, 12:04:39 AM
Ok, one for MR2 & others with reffin' experience...

Can a referee dismiss or replace a linesman or umpire (wherever neutral or otherwise) during the course of a game?

Yes , ref can order anyone within the confines of pitch - off 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on June 02, 2022, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 02, 2022, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 01, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 01, 2022, 12:04:39 AM
Ok, one for MR2 & others with reffin' experience...

Can a referee dismiss or replace a linesman or umpire (wherever neutral or otherwise) during the course of a game?
:o
Yes , ref can order anyone within the confines of pitch - off
Thought that might be the case, but can yourself or anyone else recall an incident when a linesman or umpire was dismissed by the referee?

At inter county - wouldnt happen!
At club level - occassionally
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2022, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 02, 2022, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 02, 2022, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 01, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 01, 2022, 12:04:39 AM
Ok, one for MR2 & others with reffin' experience...

Can a referee dismiss or replace a linesman or umpire (wherever neutral or otherwise) during the course of a game?
:o
Yes , ref can order anyone within the confines of pitch - off
Thought that might be the case, but can yourself or anyone else recall an incident when a linesman or umpire was dismissed by the referee?

At inter county - wouldnt happen!
At club level - occassionally

Have never seen it at inter county, as you say at club level I did it at the weekend, I'd my own umpires, one at each end, the clubs kept sending another and I had to ask them nicely to move outside the gate, second half starts they send another  ::)

Look if you're refereeing and some home/away umpire is taking the piss then they are asked to go, same on the line. I've overruled my own umpires before, but only when I was 100%, it's not nice to do it lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 05, 2022, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 02, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
Interesting. I can't say that I've ever recalled seeing an umpire or linesman dismissed from a game in Tyrone.
Over 1 minute between ball going out for 45 and Morgan hitting it wide. How much should be added on, how much will be added on and is it time a time limit was imposed??
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dreadnought on June 05, 2022, 01:50:23 PM
Lads, foot block. Lot of talk after Mayo Monaghan yesterday with 2 incidents. And we had one last week not given in Galway Roscommon. Some seem to think, any block with the foot is a foot block. I always thought you had to be close to the kicker, and risk an injury to their kicking foot for this to be the case. Otherwise can defenders or keepers not save with their feet? For my money, I thought all 3 were reffed correctly. The only one which was a true foot block was given as one. But is this correct under the rules?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on June 05, 2022, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 05, 2022, 01:50:23 PM
Lads, foot block. Lot of talk after Mayo Monaghan yesterday with 2 incidents. And we had one last week not given in Galway Roscommon. Some seem to think, any block with the foot is a foot block. I always thought you had to be close to the kicker, and risk an injury to their kicking foot for this to be the case. Otherwise can defenders or keepers not save with their feet? For my money, I thought all 3 were reffed correctly. The only one which was a true foot block was given as one. But is this correct under the rules?

They slightly changed the wording of the foot block rule a few years ago. It used to be to block or attempt to block a kick taken from the hand. It now says To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).

So I think now you do have to be close enough to the kicker for it to be a foul.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dreadnought on June 22, 2022, 07:55:30 AM
Folks, I regret to inform you that we had another foot block incident in the Cavan Sligo game Sunday. What did we think of this supposed foot block from Killian Brady? Really not sure what to think. It wasn't what you might call a standard foot block. He threw himself forward to block the ball with his hands and body, and then the forward kicked the back of Bradys leg. Is this a foot block? It's not the one we usually see where they use their foot to block the ball, potentially causing injury to the kicker. It was Brady himself who ended up injured on the back of that, was hobbling and had to come off after it. Some commentators/pundits said it should have been a penalty, others that it wasn't. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Dabh on July 28, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
'Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free.'
.. taken from Brian Gavins' 'Referee Review' in the examiner

Has anyone any idea what rule prevents a player from shouldering someone if they do not allow for the recipient to 'fall'
Or this just 'made up' nonsense?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on July 28, 2022, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 28, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
'Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free.'
.. taken from Brian Gavins' 'Referee Review' in the examiner

Has anyone any idea what rule prevents a player from shouldering someone if they do not allow for the recipient to 'fall'
Or this just 'made up' nonsense?

Plucked from the sky. Shoulder to shoulder obviously allowed for in the rule book, anything after isn't covered / mentioned
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

Went for a short kick out once and got too much of the tee, ball barely went the distance to let full back get it - so I could of ran out and hoofed it away before the forward got in? Ref would have blew that 100%.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

Went for a short kick out once and got too much of the tee, ball barely went the distance to let full back get it - so I could of ran out and hoofed it away before the forward got in? Ref would have blew that 100%.

A ref that may not know that rule, like the rest of the players and supporters it seems on a lot of rules... you can actually bounce the ball as many times as you want, sort of ;) another crazy rule
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 28, 2022, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 28, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
'Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free.'
.. taken from Brian Gavins' 'Referee Review' in the examiner

Has anyone any idea what rule prevents a player from shouldering someone if they do not allow for the recipient to 'fall'
Or this just 'made up' nonsense?

Plucked from the sky. Shoulder to shoulder obviously allowed for in the rule book, anything after isn't covered / mentioned

It probably looked worse than it was, two lads shouldering you 'legally' in fairness I'd have stopped play as it did at the time look like their heads collided and given an indirect free for whoever was in possession..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

Went for a short kick out once and got too much of the tee, ball barely went the distance to let full back get it - so I could of ran out and hoofed it away before the forward got in? Ref would have blew that 100%.

A ref that may not know that rule, like the rest of the players and supporters it seems on a lot of rules... you can actually bounce the ball as many times as you want, sort of ;) another crazy rule

You can basketball dribble the ball isn't that right. At an U11 match last night the ref blew a lad for 2 bounces - he palmed the ball down in front of himself and collected it, took 4 steps and bounced it and he blew him up. Thought it was harsh.

I suppose the kick out one is similar to hurling where if you miss the puck out you can pull it on the ground.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on July 28, 2022, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 28, 2022, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 28, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
'Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free.'
.. taken from Brian Gavins' 'Referee Review' in the examiner

Has anyone any idea what rule prevents a player from shouldering someone if they do not allow for the recipient to 'fall'
Or this just 'made up' nonsense?

Plucked from the sky. Shoulder to shoulder obviously allowed for in the rule book, anything after isn't covered / mentioned

It probably looked worse than it was, two lads shouldering you 'legally' in fairness I'd have stopped play as it did at the time look like their heads collided and given an indirect free for whoever was in possession..

I was surprised the Galway player wasn't forced off for a concussion check as I thought it looked like a head to head clash and he was down for a good while.

Watching it I thought the exact same re indirect free as opposed to free.

With all the stuff going on in rugby I  think the GAA could be doing better with the concussion stuff. Progress has been made but there's still room for improvement I feel.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: screenexile on July 28, 2022, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

Went for a short kick out once and got too much of the tee, ball barely went the distance to let full back get it - so I could of ran out and hoofed it away before the forward got in? Ref would have blew that 100%.

A ref that may not know that rule, like the rest of the players and supporters it seems on a lot of rules... you can actually bounce the ball as many times as you want, sort of ;) another crazy rule

You can basketball dribble the ball isn't that right. At an U11 match last night the ref blew a lad for 2 bounces - he palmed the ball down in front of himself and collected it, took 4 steps and bounced it and he blew him up. Thought it was harsh.

I suppose the kick out one is similar to hurling where if you miss the puck out you can pull it on the ground.

My understanding of that one was you're allowed to bounce the ball to get control of it. Once you have control of the ball you're only allowed one bounce.

If you bounce the ball on a wet and it scoots away from you you're definitely allowed to bounce it back into your hand.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 11:03:53 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 28, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dabh on July 27, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 27, 2022, 11:40:21 AM
From a  Pat Mc Eneany interview last week;

"A goalkeeper taking a kick-out, can a goalkeeper soccer dribble the ball out and without taking the ball into his hands, kick the ball 40-yards up the field? Yes, he can.

So what he's saying is., a goalkeeper ,  instead of lumping it upfield off the tee, can knock the ball off the tee, dribble it as far as he wants, as long as he doesn't pick it up?

Yes
Rule 2.7a
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

Went for a short kick out once and got too much of the tee, ball barely went the distance to let full back get it - so I could of ran out and hoofed it away before the forward got in? Ref would have blew that 100%.

A ref that may not know that rule, like the rest of the players and supporters it seems on a lot of rules... you can actually bounce the ball as many times as you want, sort of ;) another crazy rule

You can basketball dribble the ball isn't that right. At an U11 match last night the ref blew a lad for 2 bounces - he palmed the ball down in front of himself and collected it, took 4 steps and bounced it and he blew him up. Thought it was harsh.

I suppose the kick out one is similar to hurling where if you miss the puck out you can pull it on the ground.

Yeah thats unfair to call that one, again this is why we have different views during the game, collecting the ball and bouncing it, is one collecting it again is another, if he were to lose possession and palmed it then it doesnt count, must ref's will blow ..

The kick out one yes similar but I'm not sure after the initial striking of the missed puck out can he hit it again after striking on the ground... See its a minefield

Screen, if he's not in control of the ball, he can bounce/palm it as much as he wants till getting control
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on July 29, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
I genuinely don't know this so perhaps one of the refs could clarify: is the advantage rule just for attacking forwards? And if not is it at the refs discretion? Or should it always be given when it's clear there is an advantage.

Scenario: ball played in long with the game in the balance, full back of chasing team catches it, no defensive mark called by ref, fullback wouldn't have called it anyway as he'd acres of space to launch a counter attack, forward lazily fouls as full back breaks away. No advantage given when it was clear there was one to be given...  instead ref blows to bring it back for a free out, full back was well on his way down the pitch, verbal remonstration and subsequent hopball given on 21m line (Other team win hop ball and get an easy point)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 11:21:00 AM
Can a free taker out the field use a kicking tee or is that just for the goalie's kick-outs?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:30:04 AM
Rule 5.40 says Ref can apply advantage following an aggressive foul if a scoring opportunity or some other advantage seems on.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on July 29, 2022, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:30:04 AM
Rule 5.40 says Ref can apply advantage following an aggressive foul if a scoring opportunity or some other advantage seems on.

Hard to play an advantage when you're on your hole.

Maybe a black card or two would make potential perpetrators think twice.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 12:24:38 PM
I doubt if any Ref would consider using the advantage rule where a player is flattened by a foul.
Black card is for specified offences.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 29, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
I genuinely don't know this so perhaps one of the refs could clarify: is the advantage rule just for attacking forwards? And if not is it at the refs discretion? Or should it always be given when it's clear there is an advantage.

Scenario: ball played in long with the game in the balance, full back of chasing team catches it, no defensive mark called by ref, fullback wouldn't have called it anyway as he'd acres of space to launch a counter attack, forward lazily fouls as full back breaks away. No advantage given when it was clear there was one to be given...  instead ref blows to bring it back for a free out, full back was well on his way down the pitch, verbal remonstration and subsequent hopball given on 21m line (Other team win hop ball and get an easy point)

Advantage rule is for every part of the pitch, its always been at the discretion of the ref, its only clear at times and he's only allowed 5 seconds (well his 5 seconds)

In your scenario the fullback claimed the defensive mark? or the ref just didn't blow his whistle for it?  The ref will or should blow for every mark, whoever catches it doesnt have to put his hand up and players in that case can't tackle for at least 4 seconds or if claimed he's 15 seconds to play it. If a player is fouled in defence most ref's will blow, I suppose the easiest thing to do is hand up and see what develops , but if he's in the square and is fouled then this acres of space is a full length run up the pitch, the ref would be dammed if he lost possession and they turned over ball and scored.

The only problem with this is the discipline of the defender at the ref, stupid and can't be tolerated
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 04:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M  ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 04:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M  ;D

Remember the ref decides what 13 meters is and how long 5 seconds are lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on August 03, 2022, 01:39:44 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40931267.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2022, 05:16:43 PM
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30553/12679959/referee-abuse-rates-high-in-gaa-as-link-found-to-mental-health-issues-in-new-study?fbclid=IwAR3hVG4fvBGJvh8brAVO3zBapVza1ZHpB65Ya3Qwo9tjY_lXRKQNqc7tfzM

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on September 04, 2022, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 04, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
OK, this is for football. A player is in possession bearing down towards his opponents goal, as he does so the opposition goalkeeper throws his kicking tee towards the player in possession in an attempt to put him off. Goalkeeper is standing in the penalty area but outside the small "square" when he flings the kicking tee. Any foul/punishment?

It could be a a category 4  infraction ' inflcting injury in a reckless manner' - red card and two match ban !
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2022, 06:01:16 PM
I've seen sand being thrown into the eyes of an attacking player.. the lad chased the goalkeeper around the pitch blindly as he was trying to get sand out of his eyes!

Penalty and yellow card...

It's not a technical foul which would be just a 14 yard free
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on September 09, 2022, 02:56:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 04:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M  ;D

Remember the ref decides what 13 meters is and how long 5 seconds are lol

The 5 sec rule needs to go as well in my opinion, should be like soccer and just if the play continues then that's it. Most frustrating thing in football player fouled the ref has the hand up the player slips the ball on to a team mate who then 2 secs later blazes it wide or defender makes a cracking tackle and it's pulled back for a foul. So frustrating. If the player fouled completes a pass to a team mate then the advantage should be over.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2022, 03:15:22 PM
Personally I prefer the 'slow' whistle from back in the day, the player was 'given' an extra few steps to get away from the illegal tackle
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Was at a game yesterday where a forward took a mark (he put his hand up).  He very quickly played a foot pass to his teammate who scored a goal.
The ref disallowed the goal and gave a hop ball, so I presume he must have decided that the player "played through" the mark after signalling that he was going to take it.

Was he right to disallow the score?

Even if you take a mark you can play a kickpass.  Surely the ref can't have said that the pass was taken too quickly?
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the pass didn't go 13m.  Does a pass after a mark have to go at least 13m?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Rule 2.12
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rrhf on September 12, 2022, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
I think its a mess. half the time the forward inmdicates the mark, he then plays on.  Raised hand and acknowledgement by ref stops play.. Can someone think of the defenders.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2022, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 12, 2022, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
I think its a mess. half the time the forward inmdicates the mark, he then plays on.  Raised hand and acknowledgement by ref stops play.. Can someone think of the defenders.

My take on it.. Ball is played in, attacker catches ball, I blow whistle (regardless) he can play on but must be allowed the time it takes 4 steps to be tackled. if he calls the mark he must take it within 15 seconds, I wouldn't be pulling players on taking the free too quickly, that would only be if its a 14 yard free, anywhere on the pitch, if I blow for a free, if he's ready to take it, providing no one is within 13 meters then play on...

Would need to have seen the actually play, the hop bal in my opinion would be if he didnt take it till after the 15 seconds had elapsed

EverY ref is different, we want to speed up the game and if we are always having to blow again for re starts and so on then it slows it down IMO
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2022, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 12, 2022, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
I think its a mess. half the time the forward inmdicates the mark, he then plays on.  Raised hand and acknowledgement by ref stops play.. Can someone think of the defenders.

My take on it.. Ball is played in, attacker catches ball, I blow whistle (regardless) he can play on but must be allowed the time it takes 4 steps to be tackled. if he calls the mark he must take it within 15 seconds, I wouldn't be pulling players on taking the free too quickly, that would only be if its a 14 yard free, anywhere on the pitch, if I blow for a free, if he's ready to take it, providing no one is within 13 meters then play on...

Would need to have seen the actually play, the hop bal in my opinion would be if he didnt take it till after the 15 seconds had elapsed

EverY ref is different, we want to speed up the game and if we are always having to blow again for re starts and so on then it slows it down IMO

Well there would definitely have been defenders within 13m, but if that didn't hinder the attacking team then it probably shouldn't be brought back on that technicality.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2022, 11:44:23 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2022, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 12, 2022, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
I think its a mess. half the time the forward inmdicates the mark, he then plays on.  Raised hand and acknowledgement by ref stops play.. Can someone think of the defenders.

My take on it.. Ball is played in, attacker catches ball, I blow whistle (regardless) he can play on but must be allowed the time it takes 4 steps to be tackled. if he calls the mark he must take it within 15 seconds, I wouldn't be pulling players on taking the free too quickly, that would only be if its a 14 yard free, anywhere on the pitch, if I blow for a free, if he's ready to take it, providing no one is within 13 meters then play on...

Would need to have seen the actually play, the hop bal in my opinion would be if he didnt take it till after the 15 seconds had elapsed

EverY ref is different, we want to speed up the game and if we are always having to blow again for re starts and so on then it slows it down IMO

Well there would definitely have been defenders within 13m, but if that didn't hinder the attacking team then it probably shouldn't be brought back on that technicality.

Yes, in fact I'd argue that the ball could have been brought forward if defenders were within 13 meters and not moving away as instructed, so ball played and advantage of getting score, what's wrong with that? Though if own players were inside the 13 meters and they collected the ball then its not actually a hop but a free out..

Again would need to see it.. but on the day these calls are given and it can be strange, we make mistakes  ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on September 12, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 12, 2022, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 12, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
This is where I have got to in relation to my question.

A free kick is awarded after a mark and a free kick can only be taken immediately with the ref's consent (2.6), so I guess this is why the goal was disallowed; because the ref didn't signal that the free could be taken quickly.
It was probably harsh to hop the ball because if you took a free kick too quickly out the field after being fouled you would normally get to take it again, not lose the free kick.

So it was probably correct that the goal was disallowed.
I think its a mess. half the time the forward inmdicates the mark, he then plays on.  Raised hand and acknowledgement by ref stops play.. Can someone think of the defenders.
The mark is an abomination at times. Half the time refs award the mark before a forward has even fully secured the ball and sometimes does a wee fumble. Still gets the mark.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 01:01:39 PM
You can hardly change a playing rule (2/2/i) by "directive"??
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
'nuther one!

I was at a football game earlier this week - in this case, the goalkeeper picked the ball off the ground inside his large square out but outside his small square. The referee awarded a penalty - my understanding was that such a foul is a 13 metre free to the opposition, however speaking to the ref during an interval he claimed that a new rule/directive was brought in earlier this year to make such a foul by a goalkeeper outside his small square but inside the large square a penalty. So who's right? Me or the ref?

Didn't get that email
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Just as I thought then!

Here's one, is there a difference in time allocated for a forward mark and a defensive mark?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Just as I thought then!

Here's one, is there a difference in time allocated for a forward mark and a defensive mark?
Not as far as I know?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Just as I thought then!

Here's one, is there a difference in time allocated for a forward mark and a defensive mark?
Not as far as I know?

Student in a match recently said to me that they don't get the same, I said they do but I questioned myself lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Just as I thought then!

Here's one, is there a difference in time allocated for a forward mark and a defensive mark?
Not as far as I know?

Student in a match recently said to me that they don't get the same, I said they do but I questioned myself lol
Don't see why they wouldn't be the same. Must be thinking of the mark from kickout. Is it 5 and 15 seconds that you get?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Just as I thought then!

Here's one, is there a difference in time allocated for a forward mark and a defensive mark?
Not as far as I know?

Student in a match recently said to me that they don't get the same, I said they do but I questioned myself lol
Don't see why they wouldn't be the same. Must be thinking of the mark from kickout. Is it 5 and 15 seconds that you get?

This was a defensive mark, but again why should there be a difference?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.

That covers defensive forward and kick out marks?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.

That covers defensive forward and kick out marks?
Seems so.
To summarise..   says you can mark from kick out  or inside 45 from a kick in play.
Following procedures shall apply....15 seconds..

And me thinking you are a Ref ;D....or is it just the Hurley stuff you do?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.

That covers defensive forward and kick out marks?
Seems so.
To summarise..   says you can mark from kick out  or inside 45 from a kick in play.
Following procedures shall apply....15 seconds..

And me thinking you are a Ref ;D....or is it just the Hurley stuff you do?

No I do both and have given the 15 seconds for all marks, it was a student that put the doubt in my head the other night!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 06:28:01 PM
As well as drug testing maybe we should introduce Rules testing before lads are let play (or manage, ref, umpire, line or watch ) games :D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 06:28:01 PM
As well as drug testing maybe we should introduce Rules testing before lads are let play (or manage, ref, umpire, line or watch ) games :D

Unless you have the rules online on your phone  I doubt very much a player or manager would get 50% of a rules test
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.

That covers defensive forward and kick out marks?
Seems so.
To summarise..   says you can mark from kick out  or inside 45 from a kick in play.
Following procedures shall apply....15 seconds..

And me thinking you are a Ref ;D....or is it just the Hurley stuff you do?

No I do both and have given the 15 seconds for all marks, it was a student that put the doubt in my head the other night!!
Thought a mark from kickout was less time?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Rule 2.12 says player has up to 15 seconds to play the ball. Throw in if he takes longer.

That covers defensive forward and kick out marks?
Seems so.
To summarise..   says you can mark from kick out  or inside 45 from a kick in play.
Following procedures shall apply....15 seconds..

And me thinking you are a Ref ;D....or is it just the Hurley stuff you do?

No I do both and have given the 15 seconds for all marks, it was a student that put the doubt in my head the other night!!
Thought a mark from kickout was less time?

Confusing isn't it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Stall the Bailer on December 02, 2022, 09:54:32 PM
It used to be when first introduced and before there was a forward mark. The past few years all marks are 15 seconds.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on December 15, 2022, 12:37:57 PM
Would it make sense for a player who gets black carded near the end of a game that has the possibility of going to extra time, to intentionally try to get a yellow card immediately in order to get a red card so his team will be back to 15 players for the start of extra time?
Start a schemozzle with some pushing and dragging would be the obvious way to get a yellow.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on December 15, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on December 02, 2022, 09:54:32 PM
It used to be when first introduced and before there was a forward mark. The past few years all marks are 15 seconds.
Honestly never knew that.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2022, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on December 15, 2022, 12:37:57 PM
Would it make sense for a player who gets black carded near the end of a game that has the possibility of going to extra time, to intentionally try to get a yellow card immediately in order to get a red card so his team will be back to 15 players for the start of extra time?
Start a schemozzle with some pushing and dragging would be the obvious way to get a yellow.

Or just fall down and hold your head!! Most games in the year will be league, and depending on your county it can be a knockout game so the reality is it may only happen once, as in when the house is down take him out.

But yeah, if that player is not a 'main' player and you can afford him to be carded again then yeah some tuned in manager will say that
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2023, 10:11:26 PM
When the ref raises his arm to indicate a foul has been committed but playing advantage, can the player on the ball  (on seeing no prospects)  choose not play the advantage and take the free kick?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2023, 10:16:05 PM
It's the ref that decides not the players (officially  ; )
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on February 26, 2023, 10:17:30 PM
The amount of lads that are not using gum shields these days is very high. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2023, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 26, 2023, 10:17:30 PM
The amount of lads that are not using gum shields these days is very high.

Seen maybe about two players using them today at a challenge game today
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on March 01, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2023, 10:11:26 PM
When the ref raises his arm to indicate a foul has been committed but playing advantage, can the player on the ball  (on seeing no prospects)  choose not play the advantage and take the free kick?

Generally if the player comes to a stop and just stops playing, it forces the ref to give the free. Have seen it a few times in games.

I'm constantly amazed at the percentage of players that don't immediately try and take a shot at the posts (or even the goals) within the five seconds when they have advantage safe in the knowledge that they have the free-kick if it goes wide.



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on March 01, 2023, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 01, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2023, 10:11:26 PM
When the ref raises his arm to indicate a foul has been committed but playing advantage, can the player on the ball  (on seeing no prospects)  choose not play the advantage and take the free kick?

Generally if the player comes to a stop and just stops playing, it forces the ref to give the free. Have seen it a few times in games.

I'm constantly amazed at the percentage of players that don't immediately try and take a shot at the posts (or even the goals) within the five seconds when they have advantage safe in the knowledge that they have the free-kick if it goes wide.
that would be a free for the other team then for overcarryng
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on March 01, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Can an outfield  player go into goals  for  a penalty?

Is it considered a substitution?

Does he  have to change shirts  with the goalkeeper?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on March 01, 2023, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Can an outfield  player go into goals  for  a penalty?

Is it considered a substitution?

Does he  have to change shirts  with the goalkeeper?

Finally an easy one...

Yes

No

No...but if he touches the ball on the ground inside the small square it is another penalty.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on March 01, 2023, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 01, 2023, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Can an outfield  player go into goals  for  a penalty?

Is it considered a substitution?

Does he  have to change shirts  with the goalkeeper?

Finally an easy one...

Yes

No

No...but if he touches the ball on the ground inside the small square it is another penalty.

Ah, that  would have been  my next question
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on March 01, 2023, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 01, 2023, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Can an outfield  player go into goals  for  a penalty?

Is it considered a substitution?

Does he  have to change shirts  with the goalkeeper?

Finally an easy one...

Yes

No

No...but if he touches the ball on the ground inside the small square it is another penalty.

2.4 A penalty kick shall be taken from the ground
at a point 11m from the centre of the goal-line,
and only the defending goalkeeper may stand
on the goal-line. All other players, with the
exception of the player taking the kick, shall be
outside the 20m line and the arc, be at least
13m from the ball,
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on March 04, 2023, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 01, 2023, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 01, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2023, 10:11:26 PM
When the ref raises his arm to indicate a foul has been committed but playing advantage, can the player on the ball  (on seeing no prospects)  choose not play the advantage and take the free kick?

Generally if the player comes to a stop and just stops playing, it forces the ref to give the free. Have seen it a few times in games.

I'm constantly amazed at the percentage of players that don't immediately try and take a shot at the posts (or even the goals) within the five seconds when they have advantage safe in the knowledge that they have the free-kick if it goes wide.
that would be a free for the other team then for overcarryng
There was a situation twice in the game Monaghan v Rossies when the Monaghan player got advantage about 30m out but with no good opportunity to make any advance or another player to pass to , the ball was passed back the two times, shot taken and missed. In both instances (had it been awarded) the free kick was scrorable.

Why is not so that if after 5 secs there is no advantage gained, the play is called back?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on March 07, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
Where will Dublin's neutral game in the AI Round Robin be played?
It will be most likely v Ulster losing Finalists.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on May 15, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
So, the penalty  shoot out yesterday

Both teams  nominated 5 kickers.  The Derry fella , (name escapes me)  did  his hamstring taking his penalty.

If the penalties  were level after 5 each , the same 5 players  also have to  take the  the next five.  So if it came down  to it, and the  injured Derry player was unable to  take his penalty second time around... what happens then?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 15, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
So, the penalty  shoot out yesterday

Both teams  nominated 5 kickers.  The Derry fella , (name escapes me)  did  his hamstring taking his penalty.

If the penalties  were level after 5 each , the same 5 players  also have to  take the  the next five.  So if it came down  to it, and the  injured Derry player was unable to  take his penalty second time around... what happens then?

Not sure there is a rule specifically for that but let's take the 'mark' rule, if the person is injured in the process of claiming a 'mark' and is unable to take it, another player can be nominated. I'd assume that be the case, but one to certainly consider going forward
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 22, 2023, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Incredibly bad ideas there. Just looking for teams to lump the ball out from a kickout and hope for the best. How is a scrum around a breaking ball from every kickout is going to improve the spectacle? Maybe they should consider making the opposing team have a set number of players inside the 45m line instead of conceding short kickouts unchallenged, then the team with the ball needs to show some initiative with their shorter kickouts.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2023, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Are these changes at least worth a trial?

Yes. Absolutely. Crack on.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: restorepride on May 22, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 15, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
So, the penalty  shoot out yesterday

Both teams  nominated 5 kickers.  The Derry fella , (name escapes me)  did  his hamstring taking his penalty.

If the penalties  were level after 5 each , the same 5 players  also have to  take the  the next five.  So if it came down  to it, and the  injured Derry player was unable to  take his penalty second time around... what happens then?
Is it Shane McGuigan you are talking about?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on May 22, 2023, 06:06:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 15, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
So, the penalty  shoot out yesterday

Both teams  nominated 5 kickers.  The Derry fella , (name escapes me)  did  his hamstring taking his penalty.

If the penalties  were level after 5 each , the same 5 players  also have to  take the  the next five.  So if it came down  to it, and the  injured Derry player was unable to  take his penalty second time around... what happens then?

Not sure there is a rule specifically for that but let's take the 'mark' rule, if the person is injured in the process of claiming a 'mark' and is unable to take it, another player can be nominated. I'd assume that be the case, but one to certainly consider going forward

You actually name 7 players for penalties. 5 for taking them. 1 goal keeper and 1 sub goal keeper who may replace the keeper but not swap with them. The fact that the rule book makes particular reference to that makes me think you can't replace an injured penalty taker
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 22, 2023, 06:06:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 15, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
So, the penalty  shoot out yesterday

Both teams  nominated 5 kickers.  The Derry fella , (name escapes me)  did  his hamstring taking his penalty.

If the penalties  were level after 5 each , the same 5 players  also have to  take the  the next five.  So if it came down  to it, and the  injured Derry player was unable to  take his penalty second time around... what happens then?

Not sure there is a rule specifically for that but let's take the 'mark' rule, if the person is injured in the process of claiming a 'mark' and is unable to take it, another player can be nominated. I'd assume that be the case, but one to certainly consider going forward

You actually name 7 players for penalties. 5 for taking them. 1 goal keeper and 1 sub goal keeper who may replace the keeper but not swap with them. The fact that the rule book makes particular reference to that makes me think you can't replace an injured penalty taker
Probably needs looking at!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.

What are we looking for in the 'tackle'

Shoulder to shoulder believe it or not is the only physical tackle allowed lol.

If you are not 'tackling' the ball or trying to disposes the ball legally then its a foul!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.

What are we looking for in the 'tackle'

Shoulder to shoulder believe it or not is the only physical tackle allowed lol.

If you are not 'tackling' the ball or trying to disposes the ball legally then its a foul!

Yes, but if 3 /4 men are slapping at a player in possession, most hits nowhere near the ball, 90% of the time a ref will blow for overcarrying when it really should be a free to the player in possession
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.

What are we looking for in the 'tackle'

Shoulder to shoulder believe it or not is the only physical tackle allowed lol.

If you are not 'tackling' the ball or trying to disposes the ball legally then its a foul!

Yes, but if 3 /4 men are slapping at a player in possession, most hits nowhere near the ball, 90% of the time a ref will blow for overcarrying when it really should be a free to the player in possession

100% correct.

They'd be slapping and punching with a closed fist, like playing the big drum on the 12 th and the player will get be pulled up for overcarrying.

Happens all the time.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.

What are we looking for in the 'tackle'

Shoulder to shoulder believe it or not is the only physical tackle allowed lol.

If you are not 'tackling' the ball or trying to disposes the ball legally then its a foul!

Yes, but if 3 /4 men are slapping at a player in possession, most hits nowhere near the ball, 90% of the time a ref will blow for overcarrying when it really should be a free to the player in possession

100% correct.

They'd be slapping and punching with a closed fist, like playing the big drum on the 12 th and the player will get be pulled up for overcarrying.

Happens all the time.

The Lambeg tackle!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on May 24, 2023, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2023, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.

What are we looking for in the 'tackle'

Shoulder to shoulder believe it or not is the only physical tackle allowed lol.

If you are not 'tackling' the ball or trying to disposes the ball legally then its a foul!

Yes, but if 3 /4 men are slapping at a player in possession, most hits nowhere near the ball, 90% of the time a ref will blow for overcarrying when it really should be a free to the player in possession

100% correct.

They'd be slapping and punching with a closed fist, like playing the big drum on the 12 th and the player will get be pulled up for overcarrying.

Happens all the time.

The Lambeg tackle!

The Michael murphy tackle.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
So I'll ask again, what are we looking for in the tackle? Attempts to play the ball but any connection to wrist arm torso should be pulled, leaving the game outside of shoulder on shoulder non contact
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 24, 2023, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
So I'll ask again, what are we looking for in the tackle? Attempts to play the ball but any connection to wrist arm torso should be pulled, leaving the game outside of shoulder on shoulder non contact

Maybe to start off, restrict the two man tackle, i.e. one man at a time can make contact. Too often 2/3 men are all in making contact and they win the free. No harm in blocking off the escape route for the ball carrier by having the arms out and letting him come make the contact, but it is frustrating to see a player getting slapped about by a crowd and getting blown up for it.

Difficult to police at the pace of county level maybe compared to club level, but it would improve the game in an attacking sense.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 24, 2023, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
So I'll ask again, what are we looking for in the tackle? Attempts to play the ball but any connection to wrist arm torso should be pulled, leaving the game outside of shoulder on shoulder non contact

Maybe to start off, restrict the two man tackle, i.e. one man at a time can make contact. Too often 2/3 men are all in making contact and they win the free. No harm in blocking off the escape route for the ball carrier by having the arms out and letting him come make the contact, but it is frustrating to see a player getting slapped about by a crowd and getting blown up for it.

Difficult to police at the pace of county level maybe compared to club level, but it would improve the game in an attacking sense.

The bit in bold by the rules is a foul either way. The only contact allowed is on the ball or shoulder to shoulder, are we wanting to go down that road?

Personally I'm looking for shirt pulling, pulling the hand/arm back, frontal charge, if I see genuine attempts to play the ball with an open hand I'm playing on, if the player doesnt release the ball its overcarrying.

Now I may be completely wrong and I've certainly been pulled many times during a game and very recently afterwards, I get one go at it and explain why I'm giving the free either way, rightly or wrongly. To me there is not much wrong with the game, if the ref is calling that for both sides then the teams need to react to that, don't keep doing the same things (taking the ball into a tackle) as it won't change the calls
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?

So you can tackle with a closed fist?   



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?

So you can tackle with a closed fist?

All I'm saying is if you tackle the ball cleanly, me personally I won't be blowing for it, if the ball is the only thing that is hit. It's a interpretation of that action
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?

So you can tackle with a closed fist?

All I'm saying is if you tackle the ball cleanly, me personally I won't be blowing for it, if the ball is the only thing that is hit. It's a interpretation of that action

I agree with you and i don't think any referee would give a free in them circumstances but it goes to show how daft the rules are.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
Those clean takes on the ball are great to see.. I did a game the the other day, from my view, the lad slides in on the ball, misses the ball and the man, the player falls over from no contact (from what I seen at the time) the player who slid in collected the ball and went up the pitch.

On reflection and after it been shown to me, the easy thing was to just give the foul, but at the time, and I wasn't more than some meters away, he made no contact with the player, so play on!

Players will only want a foul if they are tackled and if their own players are tackling the opposition then its not a foul, sorry for the rant  ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
Those clean takes on the ball are great to see.. I did a game the the other day, from my view, the lad slides in on the ball, misses the ball and the man, the player falls over from no contact (from what I seen at the time) the player who slid in collected the ball and went up the pitch.

On reflection and after it been shown to me, the easy thing was to just give the foul, but at the time, and I wasn't more than some meters away, he made no contact with the player, so play on!

Players will only want a foul if they are tackled and if their own players are tackling the opposition then its not a foul, sorry for the rant  ;D

Question MR2.

I had a debate with a lad recently.

If I lose possession of the ball and it goes to ground, can I dive and flick the ball away with my hand...even though I've touched it clearly on the ground?

By the way, you should do up a booklet of questions for coaches regarding rules of the game.  I'd say we'd get about 5 out of 10 correct.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
Those clean takes on the ball are great to see.. I did a game the the other day, from my view, the lad slides in on the ball, misses the ball and the man, the player falls over from no contact (from what I seen at the time) the player who slid in collected the ball and went up the pitch.

On reflection and after it been shown to me, the easy thing was to just give the foul, but at the time, and I wasn't more than some meters away, he made no contact with the player, so play on!

Players will only want a foul if they are tackled and if their own players are tackling the opposition then its not a foul, sorry for the rant  ;D

Question MR2.

I had a debate with a lad recently.

If I lose possession of the ball and it goes to ground, can I dive and flick the ball away with my hand...even though I've touched it clearly on the ground?

By the way, you should do up a booklet of questions for coaches regarding rules of the game.  I'd say we'd get about 5 out of 10 correct.

You fall with the ball and lose possession of the ball you can play it, can even flick it into the net! Can you imagine explaining that on the day  ;D

some questions come up every year and I query them every time
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 04:22:20 PM
That last one caught the current Mayowestros manager out when he was analyst on last year's Tailteann Final ;D :D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: WeeDonns on May 24, 2023, 04:41:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers
Question: So Petey Harte gained the "rights" of the keeper by wearing the yellow jersey
But did it have his number on it?
Is it ok for a player to wear a number allocated to another player on the Championship team sheet
Not sure whose jersey he took, I guess its similar to a guy put off as a blood sub having to change his jersey?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on May 24, 2023, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.
I'd be surprised if that one is in the rule book.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Louther on May 24, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.

Is the main "right" the keepers jersey give is to touch ball on ground in small square? Kickouts not an issue, anyone can take. I did see a game where an out field player took the kick out, ran on and received the ball back from the receiver. Ref blew for it, rightly, and the teams manager went mad shouting "he isn't the keeper" but ref said he took kick and can't receive it back, but the keeper could have as he didn't take kick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: delgany on May 24, 2023, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 24, 2023, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.
I'd be surprised if that one is in the rule book.
It is in official guide
If an outfield player takes the kick out, the rule states, the actual gk must stay on the goal line !
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on May 24, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 24, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.

Is the main "right" the keepers jersey give is to touch ball on ground in small square? Kickouts not an issue, anyone can take. I did see a game where an out field player took the kick out, ran on and received the ball back from the receiver. Ref blew for it, rightly, and the teams manager went mad shouting "he isn't the keeper" but ref said he took kick and can't receive it back, but the keeper could have as he didn't take kick.

Also the keeper can't be shouldered/charged in the small square, all other players can be.

The rule about the kickout only says keeper so in this case the ref was wrong. Yet another terribly drafted rule in the rule-book.

QuoteA player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to his team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on May 24, 2023, 08:22:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?

So you can tackle with a closed fist?

All I'm saying is if you tackle the ball cleanly, me personally I won't be blowing for it, if the ball is the only thing that is hit. It's a interpretation of that action

This is pretty much the interpretation by I'd say about 90% of refs.
Some refs will blow at any sight of a closed fist around the body.
Of the 90% some will just blow for a foul for a closed fist tackle, some will give a ticking and some will give a yellow and some will give a red if there's contact with the body - depending on how close the fist was to the ball/the level of contact with the body.
The rules committee could definitely do with providing clarification on this.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on May 24, 2023, 10:34:03 PM
So , when Peter  Harte went into goals, he  technically wasn't  the "keeper" for 10 minutes?  So he couldn't  have touched  the ball  on the ground  in small square?

What if  Morgan  was sent off, and Harte  went into goals?  Would  he have  had the keepers privileges then?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 10:42:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 24, 2023, 10:34:03 PM
So , when Peter  Harte went into goals, he  technically wasn't  the "keeper" for 10 minutes?  So he couldn't  have touched  the ball  on the ground  in small square?

What if  Morgan  was sent off, and Harte  went into goals?  Would  he have  had the keepers privileges then?

While wearing the keepers top he or whoever wears it had the privileges of a keeper, which is basically  in the small square
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: PMG1 on May 25, 2023, 12:29:00 AM
The new trial rules about the kick out having to cross the 45 and the on where free kicks must go forward do not make sense, they are going to encourage mass defence. If keeper is hitting a kick out then obviously all the other teams forwards are going to go back to midfield as they know that's where the kick is going, they are going to behind the opposition 45.  Same for the free kick, if you give away a free and you know it can't go backwards then obviously you and probably everyone on your team is going to be goalside
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on May 25, 2023, 07:33:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: smort on May 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/)

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Why do they have to keep changing the rules?

Seems just to be a rule change for the sake of it.

If they'd sort out the tackle, that'd be a decent start.
Change is needed, there are far too many passages of non contact lateral (boring) play, it's horrible to watch and frustrating for many players. These are.interesting proposals and worth looking at, but don't go far enough.
I have reservations around the kick out, I don't think it's really the route of the problem, certainly not in football.
I like the proposal around not kicking the ball backwards from deadball situations, but I'd like that to go further to stop the ball going back over half way line once it's gone forward, that would need to be accompanied by a rule requiring 2/3 players to remain in opposition half at all times though.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 07:38:01 AM
I think I'd stop refereeing football when or if these rules come in. Hurling is so easy to ref
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 07:38:01 AM
I think I'd stop refereeing football when or if these rules come in. Hurling is so easy to ref
Football is always changing
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 07:38:01 AM
I think I'd stop refereeing football when or if these rules come in. Hurling is so easy to ref
Football is always changing

Its dung, and full of moany cnuts..
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 07:38:01 AM
I think I'd stop refereeing football when or if these rules come in. Hurling is so easy to ref
Especially when most of the rules in the book are ignored ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 08:56:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 07:38:01 AM
I think I'd stop refereeing football when or if these rules come in. Hurling is so easy to ref
Especially when most of the rules in the book are ignored ;D

Makes for a better game, but I can see you the boring back passing lateral 15 men behind the ball keeper being the main scorer pulling and dragging type of guy.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 10:09:23 AM
2 different issues entirely.
Don't know why they bother with Refs in Hurley stuff, sure the sideline official could keep the time and scores and throw the ball in.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on May 25, 2023, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 24, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 24, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.

Is the main "right" the keepers jersey give is to touch ball on ground in small square? Kickouts not an issue, anyone can take. I did see a game where an out field player took the kick out, ran on and received the ball back from the receiver. Ref blew for it, rightly, and the teams manager went mad shouting "he isn't the keeper" but ref said he took kick and can't receive it back, but the keeper could have as he didn't take kick.

Also the keeper can't be shouldered/charged in the small square, all other players can be.

The rule about the kickout only says keeper so in this case the ref was wrong. Yet another terribly drafted rule in the rule-book.

QuoteA player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to his team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.
Ref was wrong, only if the actual keeper had been standing in the goal line when the kick out was taken.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Louther on May 25, 2023, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 25, 2023, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 24, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 24, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 24, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Put a keeper off in sin bin lately. The opposition where giving off that the player who went into nets had to be wearing a keepers top!! This based on Tyrone game on TV the week before..

I explained that they didn't have to wear a keepers top, wearing the keepers top only gives the 'keeper' the rights of a keeper, nothing else. these people giving off are senior div 1 managers

Our seniors were playing 2 different lads in nets at different stages, neither were keepers. One made a run out and the other hung back in one game, possession lost and the one with the outfield jersey on that day tried to take the kick out but the ref didn't allow him to kick it because the other man had the keepers jersey on at half forward. Do you agree with that one?
I can see the keeper jersey going soon if the game keeps going like it is now, no advantage in it. If you like saving shots you may go to the soccer.

Is the main "right" the keepers jersey give is to touch ball on ground in small square? Kickouts not an issue, anyone can take. I did see a game where an out field player took the kick out, ran on and received the ball back from the receiver. Ref blew for it, rightly, and the teams manager went mad shouting "he isn't the keeper" but ref said he took kick and can't receive it back, but the keeper could have as he didn't take kick.

Also the keeper can't be shouldered/charged in the small square, all other players can be.

The rule about the kickout only says keeper so in this case the ref was wrong. Yet another terribly drafted rule in the rule-book.

QuoteA player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to his team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.
Ref was wrong, only if the actual keeper had been standing in the goal line when the kick out was taken.

That's interesting, never considered that. Looking back it was possible the keeper wasn't in his small square when it happened. See a lot of that in juvenile matches where outfield player ends up taking kick out but never paid much attention to keepers position. This was the first time I'd seen the non GK kicker take ball back off receiver and assumed that's why he threw it up.

Cheers lads.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on May 28, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
Spirt of the rule is that the person who takes the kickout can't receive the next pass. Everyone knows that, and a technical error in drafting doesn't take away from that. Therefore, in my view ref was absolutely right to call it. Common sense approach.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on May 28, 2023, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
Spirt of the rule is that the person who takes the kickout can't receive the next pass. Everyone knows that, and a technical error in drafting doesn't take away from that. Therefore, in my view ref was absolutely right to call it. Common sense approach.

The problem with the common sense approach is it's not particularly common and leads to wildly inconsistent decision making.  I would expect the rule as written to be implemented surely that would be the common sense approach.  What other rules should the ref ignore and or change in the name of common sense?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2023, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 28, 2023, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
Spirt of the rule is that the person who takes the kickout can't receive the next pass. Everyone knows that, and a technical error in drafting doesn't take away from that. Therefore, in my view ref was absolutely right to call it. Common sense approach.

The problem with the common sense approach is it's not particularly common and leads to wildly inconsistent decision making.  I would expect the rule as written to be implemented surely that would be the common sense approach.  What other rules should the ref ignore and or change in the name of common sense?


And while the rule is in place it should be adhered to, until it's amended that is, won't be long before plenty expose loophole's in the rules to suit

But the ref (rightly or wrongly) will make a call and that's that, that can't be changed at the time
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Wolfetones on May 28, 2023, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 24, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Why is pulling the ball from a player's hand not allowed?
Would it not at least tip the balance back towards defenders against ball carriers who seemingly can do what they like.
I don't see tackling the ball with fist specifically banned in the T .O.?

You are playing the man not the ball..

You can't tackle with a closed fist, yes clean contact on the ball is fine, its a yellow card if connecting with the player

Making contact with the ball with a closed fist is tackling with a closed fist.

All about interpretation too, if that is a clean take of the ball and no contact on the man did he foul him?

So you can tackle with a closed fist?

All I'm saying is if you tackle the ball cleanly, me personally I won't be blowing for it, if the ball is the only thing that is hit. It's a interpretation of that action

Ref just ruled out a goal in the Ulster minor final for exactly that.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Link on May 28, 2023, 07:33:00 PM
That goal being disallowed was a shocking call
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Wolfetones on May 28, 2023, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: Link on May 28, 2023, 07:33:00 PM
That goal being disallowed was a shocking call

Goal for each disallowed that should have stood, Monaghans in particular.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Link on May 28, 2023, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on May 28, 2023, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: Link on May 28, 2023, 07:33:00 PM
That goal being disallowed was a shocking call

Goal for each disallowed that should have stood, Monaghans in particular.

Did monaghan player not collect the ball inside the D? Thought wasn't allowed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:37:35 PM
Roscommon's 6 minute possession is surely the last straw before a rule change at next year's congress.
The most obvious answer is either a shot clock like in basketball or a limited number of possessions like in American Football/Rugby League. For shot clock, some time between 60 and 90 seconds, for possessions ~15.
I'm sure the GAA will come up with an alternative solution that they'll mess up such as a limited number of backward passes or disallow passes into your own half.
For possessions or shot clock, it would need to be tasked with someone else besides the ref to monitor. 2 umpires perhaps?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on May 30, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
A shot clock will just turn the game into basketball then. Defending team will all rush back to defend the scoring zone
Plus the clock in basketball is clearly visible for all players and is independent of the referees
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: smort on May 30, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
A shot clock will just turn the game into basketball then. Defending team will all rush back to defend the scoring zone
Plus the clock in basketball is clearly visible for all players and is independent of the referees

That's basically what happens in Gaelic Football now anyway, bar the equivalent of a full-court press on some kickouts.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: HiMucker on May 30, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
I know its been discussed before, but what were the draw backs to not being allowed to cross back in to your own half? I thought that might be the easiest rule change to trial first.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
I know its been discussed before, but what were the draw backs to not being allowed to cross back in to your own half? I thought that might be the easiest rule change to trial first.

Would work. Might lead to a lot of tactical fouls of players once they enter the opposition's half. I guess they could leave free kicks exempt.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on May 30, 2023, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
I know its been discussed before, but what were the draw backs to not being allowed to cross back in to your own half? I thought that might be the easiest rule change to trial first.

I've been advocating not being allowed to pass backwards across either '45 for years now (with the award of a '45 for the opposition for doing so). I would truly love to see it being trialled at a high level like McKenna Cup or Ryan Cup. There's bound to be drawbacks, but if it has the desired effect - making it progressively more difficult for a winning team to see out the game with elongated periods of sideways and backwards possession - it would take one hell of a downside to appear, in order for it not to improve the game.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on May 30, 2023, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
I know its been discussed before, but what were the draw backs to not being allowed to cross back in to your own half? I thought that might be the easiest rule change to trial first.

Would work. Might lead to a lot of tactical fouls of players once they enter the opposition's half. I guess they could leave free kicks exempt.

This is why using both the 45s as backcourt lines is better. A tactical just  inside the first one and the opponent still has 90m of space to work with. A tactical foul just inside the second one and it's a kickable free at county level, or at worst a corridor of uncertainty high ball into the square at junior club levels.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 04:04:12 PM
The main thing is that there has to be a change ,whether its shot clock, backward passes, possessions, etc.
I guess you can't have a vote in Congress to just change and the change be decided in due course?
You'd need to have the specifics of what the change will be?

Could have lots of different factions opting for different solutions so whichever one gets picked for the vote won't be unanimous and so the 2/3rds majority would be difficult to achieve.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on May 30, 2023, 05:39:51 PM
There's only  one solution  - less players

Players are fitter than ever ,  there's  no room for  manoeuvre with  blanket defences and  even the keepers coming  out leaves even less room.  Take 6 or  8 players out of the  equation and  you'd see a  more  open,  attacking game.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2023, 05:53:45 PM
What about the poor Junior B man with a scatter of pints the night before?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on May 30, 2023, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 30, 2023, 05:39:51 PM
There's only  one solution  - less players

Players are fitter than ever ,  there's  no room for  manoeuvre with  blanket defences and  even the keepers coming  out leaves even less room.  Take 6 or  8 players out of the  equation and  you'd see a  more  open,  attacking game.

Would fewer players not mean more room, and therefore more room to play keep ball??

The enemy of keep ball is contact. The enemy of contact is space.

There is perhaps an alternative world in which GAA coaches would utilise this space to play more expansive and attacking football. But those coaches are not in Ireland and not in 2023.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: giveballaghback on May 30, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:37:35 PM
Roscommon's 6 minute possession is surely the last straw before a rule change at next year's congress.
The most obvious answer is either a shot clock like in basketball or a limited number of possessions like in American Football/Rugby League. For shot clock, some time between 60 and 90 seconds, for possessions ~15.
I'm sure the GAA will come up with an alternative solution that they'll mess up such as a limited number of backward passes or disallow passes into your own half.
For possessions or shot clock, it would need to be tasked with someone else besides the ref to monitor. 2 umpires perhaps?
So the Rossie's get competitive in Croker and now ye want a shot clock😂  not much point taking a shot if your
80 mtrs from the opposition goal and imagine how long it would take for coaches to organise a system to keep the team in possession at bay until the clock runs down. No one was calling for a shot clock when the dubs were playing it over and back on the 45mtr line against Tyrone in the 2017 all Ireland semi or in the final that year against Mayo when they ran down the clock at the end of the game. Game management was the buzz word or was it brilliant game management. Those are just 2 instances of hundreds but when the Rossie's dared to do it then time for a rule change. Our super 8 game against the dubs a few years ago we scored 2-16 but conceded 4-24, we were a laughing stock after that game but now we're wrecking the beautiful game😎 tough s... lads,
We are Ros. 😎😎
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2023, 07:19:56 PM
And we don't know our place ;)
Long may we continue to be so ignorant :D.

If ye want to criticise why not start with the team that refuses to challenge the team in possession?
Bring in a rule that if you don't tackle the man with the ball it's a 13m free.

It's no sillier than some of the daftness proposed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 30, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 30, 2023, 03:37:35 PM
Roscommon's 6 minute possession is surely the last straw before a rule change at next year's congress.
The most obvious answer is either a shot clock like in basketball or a limited number of possessions like in American Football/Rugby League. For shot clock, some time between 60 and 90 seconds, for possessions ~15.
I'm sure the GAA will come up with an alternative solution that they'll mess up such as a limited number of backward passes or disallow passes into your own half.
For possessions or shot clock, it would need to be tasked with someone else besides the ref to monitor. 2 umpires perhaps?
So the Rossie's get competitive in Croker and now ye want a shot clock😂  not much point taking a shot if your
80 mtrs from the opposition goal and imagine how long it would take for coaches to organise a system to keep the team in possession at bay until the clock runs down. No one was calling for a shot clock when the dubs were playing it over and back on the 45mtr line against Tyrone in the 2017 all Ireland semi or in the final that year against Mayo when they ran down the clock at the end of the game. Game management was the buzz word or was it brilliant game management. Those are just 2 instances of hundreds but when the Rossie's dared to do it then time for a rule change. Our super 8 game against the dubs a few years ago we scored 2-16 but conceded 4-24, we were a laughing stock after that game but now we're wrecking the beautiful game😎 tough s... lads,
We are Ros. 😎😎

Actually I have been looking for a rule change since the possession game went mainstream.
Every team does it so don't be so precious thinking this is anti-Roscommon.
I'd be happy for my own team to do it for the last 15 min of an All-Ireland final to maintain a 1 point lead, but I would prefer it restricted in some way.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angus MacGyver on May 30, 2023, 10:37:24 PM
The fault for Roscommon's protracted spell of passing lies with Dublin, not Roscommon. They didn't engage to try and win the ball back.

Changing any rule for this glitch in the the game has to be designed to create a contest for possession, not to put a time limit on it. It has to be made worth the risk of players coming out of a defensive mass, and to do that there must be a realistic chance of a turnover.  The written rules of rugby for are centred on the premise that control of the ball is contested at all times in open play, and the rules reward execution of superior skill to gain that control.Shot clock is an admission of defeat. 13-a side would make the situation worse because there is even more space and less opportunity to pressure the ball.

How can the same contest, or similar, be achieved in Gaelic football? It comes down to how easy it is for player to escape pressure, or to dispose of the ball under pressure. Steps out the tackle is an endemic problem, most especially if the the ball carrier is shaping to shoot. Defenders have zero chance if an attacking player is given 7 or 8 steps on the loop. Throwing the ball is the other menace. Its done so casually and so often now that refs barely even bother calling the free any more. The skill level needed to retain possession drops as a result.

Some possible solutions (bearing in mind the nightmare workload on officials already;
1) Ban the handpass over the bar as a scoring option, or indeed a ball palmed to the net from a handpass received.
2) 2 points for a point from play outside 45
3) Abolish the offensive/defensive mark
4) A player tackled and going to ground (knees on the ground) in possession of the ball must immediately release. Holding or lying on the ball on the ground = free (it already is but most refs chicken out and throw the ball up)
5) 5 steps maximum and indirect free for the infringement (take the pressure off the ref for calling a defender for over carrying)
6) If the ball is carried back into own 45 when in possession then it must be kick-passed until out of the '45

   
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on May 30, 2023, 11:20:22 PM
Some great points there Angus. The steps one is probably a major contributing factor to retreating defences alright.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: markl121 on May 30, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
a shot clock on the Mark would be useful, I thought I remembered when they were introduced that you have 3 seconds to kick it or something? Now it's lined up like a free kick.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on May 31, 2023, 12:11:59 AM
I agree about the Fist passing  the ball  over the bar . It is an abomination 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on May 31, 2023, 12:44:20 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 31, 2023, 12:11:59 AM
I agree about the Fist passing  the ball  over the bar . It is an abomination
Yes, 💯.
But, the forward mark is worse. It's utterly abused, teams manufacturing marks to get a free shot at goal - grugan's mark in the Ulster final last minute, rock got a similar one Vs Rossies on Sunday too. Crappy 10m passes from just over the 45 into the chest for totally uncontested catches and resulting shot on goal.
Clifford"s 2(?) Superb takes in the all Ireland final last year are probably the only examples I can think of where the rule produced the desired outcome - a superb high catch of a contested long ball.  Great as they were to witness, we'd be better off just getting rid of the rule.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Blowitupref on May 31, 2023, 02:24:50 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 30, 2023, 10:37:24 PM
The fault for Roscommon's protracted spell of passing lies with Dublin, not Roscommon. They didn't engage to try and win the ball back.

Changing any rule for this glitch in the the game has to be designed to create a contest for possession, not to put a time limit on it. It has to be made worth the risk of players coming out of a defensive mass, and to do that there must be a realistic chance of a turnover.  The written rules of rugby for are centred on the premise that control of the ball is contested at all times in open play, and the rules reward execution of superior skill to gain that control.Shot clock is an admission of defeat. 13-a side would make the situation worse because there is even more space and less opportunity to pressure the ball.

How can the same contest, or similar, be achieved in Gaelic football? It comes down to how easy it is for player to escape pressure, or to dispose of the ball under pressure. Steps out the tackle is an endemic problem, most especially if the the ball carrier is shaping to shoot. Defenders have zero chance if an attacking player is given 7 or 8 steps on the loop. Throwing the ball is the other menace. Its done so casually and so often now that refs barely even bother calling the free any more. The skill level needed to retain possession drops as a result.

Some possible solutions (bearing in mind the nightmare workload on officials already;
1) Ban the handpass over the bar as a scoring option, or indeed a ball palmed to the net from a handpass received.
2) 2 points for a point from play outside 45
3) Abolish the offensive/defensive mark
4) A player tackled and going to ground (knees on the ground) in possession of the ball must immediately release. Holding or lying on the ball on the ground = free (it already is but most refs chicken out and throw the ball up)
5) 5 steps maximum and indirect free for the infringement (take the pressure off the ref for calling a defender for over carrying)
6) If the ball is carried back into own 45 when in possession then it must be kick-passed until out of the '45



Hard to disagree with any of that, good post.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on May 31, 2023, 08:13:21 AM
Quote from: onefineday on May 31, 2023, 12:44:20 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 31, 2023, 12:11:59 AM
I agree about the Fist passing  the ball  over the bar . It is an abomination
Yes, 💯.
But, the forward mark is worse. It's utterly abused, teams manufacturing marks to get a free shot at goal - grugan's mark in the Ulster final last minute, rock got a similar one Vs Rossies on Sunday too. Crappy 10m passes from just over the 45 into the chest for totally uncontested catches and resulting shot on goal.
Clifford"s 2(?) Superb takes in the all Ireland final last year are probably the only examples I can think of where the rule produced the desired outcome - a superb high catch of a contested long ball.  Great as they were to witness, we'd be better off just getting rid of the rule.

Great fielding but if it wasn't for the mark he would be tearing in on goal which is what i'd prefer to see than a tap over the bar.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: inowbest on May 31, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Why can't people just leave the game alone? Every week something happens then everyone looking the rules changed. Who would patrol a shot clock at a club game for example? Some of these suggestions are ridiculous. Seems like people just want to go back to the 'good old days'  ::) of catch the ball and lump it as far as they can and hope your man gets it. No harm to anyone but i'd much prefer to watch any gaelic game from the 00's onwards than any of the games you see from the 70's or 80's.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
I'd need a watch for the sin bin, the stop watch for the shot clock, the ordinary watch for the game and the watch to ensure the stoppages for injuries and so on is done!! Pure shite talk
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angus MacGyver on May 31, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: inowbest on May 31, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Why can't people just leave the game alone? Every week something happens then everyone looking the rules changed. Who would patrol a shot clock at a club game for example? Some of these suggestions are ridiculous. Seems like people just want to go back to the 'good old days'  ::) of catch the ball and lump it as far as they can and hope your man gets it. No harm to anyone but i'd much prefer to watch any gaelic game from the 00's onwards than any of the games you see from the 70's or 80's.

I agree with the the sentiment here to a large extent. Bringing in radical changes like a shot clock as a knee jerk reaction is ludicrous.  That would turn football into some sort of poxy turns-based game like rugby league. Not where we need to go.  Learn from the damage done by the inside mark!

However, there is room to look at the details and interpretations of the game we already have.
I've started watching a fair bit of AFL again recently and despite its other flaws, the jeopardy involved in the constant risk of being turned over in possession makes for a compelling contest. We need more of that in football. Figuring out how is the issue. Most of the suggestions I've seen are likely to be counterproductive and full of risk of unintended consequence.

A system of repeated trial games under new rules, not in national competitions, is needed- does that exist?. Trying out a committees deliberations in the league is not satisfactory. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on May 31, 2023, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 31, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: inowbest on May 31, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Why can't people just leave the game alone? Every week something happens then everyone looking the rules changed. Who would patrol a shot clock at a club game for example? Some of these suggestions are ridiculous. Seems like people just want to go back to the 'good old days'  ::) of catch the ball and lump it as far as they can and hope your man gets it. No harm to anyone but i'd much prefer to watch any gaelic game from the 00's onwards than any of the games you see from the 70's or 80's.

I agree with the the sentiment here to a large extent. Bringing in radical changes like a shot clock as a knee jerk reaction is ludicrous.  That would turn football into some sort of poxy turns-based game like rugby league. Not where we need to go.  Learn from the damage done by the inside mark!

However, there is room to look at the details and interpretations of the game we already have.
I've started watching a fair bit of AFL again recently and despite its other flaws, the jeopardy involved in the constant risk of being turned over in possession makes for a compelling contest. We need more of that in football. Figuring out how is the issue. Most of the suggestions I've seen are likely to be counterproductive and full of risk of unintended consequence.

A system of repeated trial games under new rules, not in national competitions, is needed- does that exist?. Trying out a committees deliberations in the league is not satisfactory.

Was thinking about this overnight Angus and think you have hit on something regarding the risk of turnovers in the AFL. They obviously have a more robust tackle, which I don't think could be introduced to GAA. However, I think we need to incentivise and reward teams for pushing up, rather than retreating. One thing I thought of was to return the kickout to the small square, for all kickouts. This automatically would get teams 15 yards further up the pitch and make the short kickout a bit trickier

Also, what about restarting the game with a throw-in at midfield after a goal is scored
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Mario on May 31, 2023, 10:44:14 AM
Quote from: smort on May 31, 2023, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 31, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: inowbest on May 31, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Why can't people just leave the game alone? Every week something happens then everyone looking the rules changed. Who would patrol a shot clock at a club game for example? Some of these suggestions are ridiculous. Seems like people just want to go back to the 'good old days'  ::) of catch the ball and lump it as far as they can and hope your man gets it. No harm to anyone but i'd much prefer to watch any gaelic game from the 00's onwards than any of the games you see from the 70's or 80's.

I agree with the the sentiment here to a large extent. Bringing in radical changes like a shot clock as a knee jerk reaction is ludicrous.  That would turn football into some sort of poxy turns-based game like rugby league. Not where we need to go.  Learn from the damage done by the inside mark!

However, there is room to look at the details and interpretations of the game we already have.
I've started watching a fair bit of AFL again recently and despite its other flaws, the jeopardy involved in the constant risk of being turned over in possession makes for a compelling contest. We need more of that in football. Figuring out how is the issue. Most of the suggestions I've seen are likely to be counterproductive and full of risk of unintended consequence.

A system of repeated trial games under new rules, not in national competitions, is needed- does that exist?. Trying out a committees deliberations in the league is not satisfactory.

Was thinking about this overnight Angus and think you have hit on something regarding the risk of turnovers in the AFL. They obviously have a more robust tackle, which I don't think could be introduced to GAA. However, I think we need to incentivise and reward teams for pushing up, rather than retreating. One thing I thought of was to return the kickout to the small square, for all kickouts. This automatically would get teams 15 yards further up the pitch and make the short kickout a bit trickier

By the small square do you mean the square that contains the penalty spot? That isn't a bad idea. I'd go further and say you can't return within the 14 yard line once you cross it. The pitch is too big at the minute and difficult to turn over possession. Even reducing it by a small amount would increase the opportunity for turnovers without radically changing the game
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on May 31, 2023, 10:54:50 AM
The small rectangle / 6 yard box ( :-X) is what I meant
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: rosnarun on May 31, 2023, 02:33:07 PM
no need to change ever rule . just allow a robust tackle the way every one is brought up to play. problem solved
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on May 31, 2023, 03:05:16 PM
And never mind the effin ball ::)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2023, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times

Unless it's a Jose Mourinho managed team who loves to control games without the ball and can regularly win games with 30% or less possession.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 02, 2023, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times
So what is your position? As a ref you don't want new rules as they'd be too difficult to police, but you agree that large parts of many games are difficult to watch.
Are you of the opinion we should just accept it and let the game die a slow death as spectators drift away and players shortly thereafter?
Or do you think the rules should be changed (having due regard to volunteers like yourself in making them simple to police) to improve the game as a spectacle and as a sport that players can enjoy?
I've said it many times on here, restricting teams from going back over their halfway line (45/65?) and requiring 2 players to remain in the opposition half at all times should be relatively easy to monitor. Wobbler's punishment of a 45 for transgressions is harsh, but it'd certainly focus minds!
I can understand why some on here, blinded by recent club or county success are of the 'leave the rules alone', but I can't understand why people who agree that large parts of games are tedious would not see the merit in trialling changes.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2023, 01:23:26 AM
Is there any other team sport in the world that has chopped and changed it's playing rules as much as GAA football the last 20 years?  Arguably the current state of football where it's mainly low risk and where possession is king is a direct result of too much changing already but hey lets do some more rule changing and on this occasion the shit thrown against the wall might stick? 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 02, 2023, 08:40:30 AM
The rugger codes are always changing rules as far as I'm aware.
Rule changes didn't bring in blanket defences.
This nonsense of you have to have so many in the opposition half....how many officials needed to implement that, what would be the sanction? Would there be a sanction of the last man to cross the half way line?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2023, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: onefineday on June 02, 2023, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times
So what is your position? As a ref you don't want new rules as they'd be too difficult to police, but you agree that large parts of many games are difficult to watch.
Are you of the opinion we should just accept it and let the game die a slow death as spectators drift away and players shortly thereafter?
Or do you think the rules should be changed (having due regard to volunteers like yourself in making them simple to police) to improve the game as a spectacle and as a sport that players can enjoy?
I've said it many times on here, restricting teams from going back over their halfway line (45/65?) and requiring 2 players to remain in the opposition half at all times should be relatively easy to monitor. Wobbler's punishment of a 45 for transgressions is harsh, but it'd certainly focus minds!
I can understand why some on here, blinded by recent club or county success are of the 'leave the rules alone', but I can't understand why people who agree that large parts of games are tedious would not see the merit in trialling changes.

First and foremost I'm a GAA man at many levels, supporter, past player at hurling and football at all levels for many years, a manager in both codes and now for my sins been refereeing for many years at both codes at the highest club level. I believe I've a decent view on things. I've seen plenty of rule changes over the years and I've yet to see one that has actually progressed it (football)

The basics are the same and cannot be changed, if you try and morph it into a different sport then it will be a different sport. My point is defensive football could have been employed many years ago but the managers at the time didn't have the foresight to employ those tactics and when others took a different take on it and it brought reward then they are all at it, back in the 50's when Antrim were good at football they utilised the hand-pass, it got that bad at the time that they thought about changing the rules, this stuff isn't new.

Changing it won't make it better, managing the stuff thats been talked about from a refereeing point of view is just stupid, and if you think its easy then go knock yourself out and be part of the trails
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on June 02, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
This is a good one from Dublin club football.

Division 2 league game in which Ciaran Archer was sent off (was one of Dublin's better players at his age group at minor and U20, not on the senior panel this year).

He was sent off for the incident below (Indo also has this video up on their report I believe)

https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1664581042282328065

In his report, the ref described it as an assault and said he suffered a rib injury.

Archer duly got the maximum suspension of 96 weeks for an assault on a referee.

Thankfully the video evidence surfaced, Archer appealed, and was cleared (although had to miss 2 games during the appeals process). It was judged to have been more likely to be accidental.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2023, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
This is a good one from Dublin club football.

Division 2 league game in which Ciaran Archer was sent off (was one of Dublin's better players at his age group at minor and U20, not on the senior panel this year).

He was sent off for the incident below (Indo also has this video up on their report I believe)

https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1664581042282328065

In his report, the ref described it as an assault and said he suffered a rib injury.

Archer duly got the maximum suspension of 96 weeks for an assault on a referee.

Thankfully the video evidence surfaced, Archer appealed, and was cleared (although had to miss 2 games during the appeals process). It was judged to have been more likely to be accidental.

He does catch him and for the life of me I don't know why he went that direction, that wasn't the easiest path for the player to go.. That being said, I had a collision (accidental) with a player and cracked a rib or worse, I never let on but was in pain/discomfort for around 6 weeks. The video doesn't actually show much tbf, It just doesn't show him being assaulted lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 03, 2023, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
This is a good one from Dublin club football.

Division 2 league game in which Ciaran Archer was sent off (was one of Dublin's better players at his age group at minor and U20, not on the senior panel this year).

He was sent off for the incident below (Indo also has this video up on their report I believe)

https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1664581042282328065

In his report, the ref described it as an assault and said he suffered a rib injury.

Archer duly got the maximum suspension of 96 weeks for an assault on a referee.

Thankfully the video evidence surfaced, Archer appealed, and was cleared (although had to miss 2 games during the appeals process). It was judged to have been more likely to be accidental.

What did Archer do? It does look like he throws an arm or something at the ref on the way by. Looks very random. But might just be the angle as hard to tell as he was running behind the ref. Certainly doesn't look much in it, but still looks strange.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on June 03, 2023, 12:26:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2023, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: onefineday on June 02, 2023, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times
So what is your position? As a ref you don't want new rules as they'd be too difficult to police, but you agree that large parts of many games are difficult to watch.
Are you of the opinion we should just accept it and let the game die a slow death as spectators drift away and players shortly thereafter?
Or do you think the rules should be changed (having due regard to volunteers like yourself in making them simple to police) to improve the game as a spectacle and as a sport that players can enjoy?
I've said it many times on here, restricting teams from going back over their halfway line (45/65?) and requiring 2 players to remain in the opposition half at all times should be relatively easy to monitor. Wobbler's punishment of a 45 for transgressions is harsh, but it'd certainly focus minds!
I can understand why some on here, blinded by recent club or county success are of the 'leave the rules alone', but I can't understand why people who agree that large parts of games are tedious would not see the merit in trialling changes.

First and foremost I'm a GAA man at many levels, supporter, past player at hurling and football at all levels for many years, a manager in both codes and now for my sins been refereeing for many years at both codes at the highest club level. I believe I've a decent view on things. I've seen plenty of rule changes over the years and I've yet to see one that has actually progressed it (football)

The basics are the same and cannot be changed, if you try and morph it into a different sport then it will be a different sport. My point is defensive football could have been employed many years ago but the managers at the time didn't have the foresight to employ those tactics and when others took a different take on it and it brought reward then they are all at it, back in the 50's when Antrim were good at football they utilised the hand-pass, it got that bad at the time that they thought about changing the rules, this stuff isn't new.

Changing it won't make it better, managing the stuff thats been talked about from a refereeing point of view is just stupid, and if you think its easy then go knock yourself out and be part of the trails

Sideline ball out the hand? Handpassing a goal into the net? Apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2023, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2023, 12:26:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2023, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: onefineday on June 02, 2023, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2023, 12:33:45 PM
Just make a new sport while you're at it

Whatever new rules you put in place a manager/coach will look at it and work it towards their needs.

Possession football is all that matters, the more you have of the ball the more you control, millions watch, love and support soccer, its a possession game and the team with the most possession usually wins.

Its changed over the years, some say for the better, but its very boring at times
So what is your position? As a ref you don't want new rules as they'd be too difficult to police, but you agree that large parts of many games are difficult to watch.
Are you of the opinion we should just accept it and let the game die a slow death as spectators drift away and players shortly thereafter?
Or do you think the rules should be changed (having due regard to volunteers like yourself in making them simple to police) to improve the game as a spectacle and as a sport that players can enjoy?
I've said it many times on here, restricting teams from going back over their halfway line (45/65?) and requiring 2 players to remain in the opposition half at all times should be relatively easy to monitor. Wobbler's punishment of a 45 for transgressions is harsh, but it'd certainly focus minds!
I can understand why some on here, blinded by recent club or county success are of the 'leave the rules alone', but I can't understand why people who agree that large parts of games are tedious would not see the merit in trialling changes.

First and foremost I'm a GAA man at many levels, supporter, past player at hurling and football at all levels for many years, a manager in both codes and now for my sins been refereeing for many years at both codes at the highest club level. I believe I've a decent view on things. I've seen plenty of rule changes over the years and I've yet to see one that has actually progressed it (football)

The basics are the same and cannot be changed, if you try and morph it into a different sport then it will be a different sport. My point is defensive football could have been employed many years ago but the managers at the time didn't have the foresight to employ those tactics and when others took a different take on it and it brought reward then they are all at it, back in the 50's when Antrim were good at football they utilised the hand-pass, it got that bad at the time that they thought about changing the rules, this stuff isn't new.

Changing it won't make it better, managing the stuff thats been talked about from a refereeing point of view is just stupid, and if you think its easy then go knock yourself out and be part of the trails

Sideline ball out the hand? Handpassing a goal into the net? Apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Probably handpassing the ball to net, often wondered why not have the 45's out of the hand also?

The Mark, either defensive or attacking pointless. Sin bin hasn't stopped the cynical foul completely gum shields no one is really wearing them, back pass to keeper? Not changed anything I can think of
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
Mentioned it earlier on this thread but I feel genuine sorrow for those people who maintain that Gaelic Football is perfectly fine and the rules shouldn't change.

Taking enjoyment from football now involves a form of Stockholm syndrome.

I'm bored out of my wits here watching Mayo. Not even they can make it watchable when the opposition has no intent.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Nanderson on June 04, 2023, 04:08:45 PM
https://strawpoll.com/polls/NPgxE6rJ1Z2

Vote on what rules you think would make the biggest positive change to football atm.
Its multiple answers so you can choose as many as you like
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on June 05, 2023, 01:13:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
This is a good one from Dublin club football.

Division 2 league game in which Ciaran Archer was sent off (was one of Dublin's better players at his age group at minor and U20, not on the senior panel this year).

He was sent off for the incident below (Indo also has this video up on their report I believe)

https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1664581042282328065

In his report, the ref described it as an assault and said he suffered a rib injury.

Archer duly got the maximum suspension of 96 weeks for an assault on a referee.

Thankfully the video evidence surfaced, Archer appealed, and was cleared (although had to miss 2 games during the appeals process). It was judged to have been more likely to be accidental.

That video looks like it was done up by someone with an AI tool that's the video equivalent of ChatGPT.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on June 08, 2023, 03:36:28 PM
QuoteLack of understanding central to Cork-Kerry penalty call criticism, says Gough

'When I explained on the pitch to the Cork players what was happening they seem to go, 'Oh, okay'. And they were fine about it,' David Gough insisted.
Lack of understanding central to Cork-Kerry penalty call criticism, says Gough
'CORRECT DECISION': GAA Referee and LGBTQ+ advocate David Gough at the launch of SuperValu's 'Wear with Pride' Laces campaign. Pic: ©INPHO/Dan Sheridan

THU, 08 JUN, 2023 - 12:09
JOHN FOGARTY

David Gough believes there was a lack of understanding of the black card/penalty rule that he applied in last Saturday's All-Ireland SFC Group 1 game between Cork and Kerry in Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

The Meath referee awarded Kerry a second-half penalty and sin-binned Seán Powter for his foul on Paul Geaney outside the small parallelogram as it denied a goal-scoring opportunity, as the rule stipulates.

Gough said Cork manager John Cleary's reaction towards him and in his post-match interviews demonstrated that he did not know the rule.

Asked about the reaction, Gough said: "Ignorance in that there may have been a lack of knowledge or understanding of the rule. When I explained on the pitch to the Cork players what was happening they seem to go, 'Oh, okay'. And they were fine about it.

"When I was walking off the pitch John Cleary was giving out to me that he said he had seen the incident back and it was outside the penalty box, that it was never a penalty.

"I then explained the situation to him and I'm listening to him on the radio going home and he's saying it was never a goalscoring opportunity. So even he didn't understand what was going on.

"And it's a difficult one because players first of all weren't aware of the rule and second of all then people, pundits, media, managers didn't have a great understanding of the rule and the language of the goalscoring opportunity and what that actually constitutes. So that's why there was so much confusion about it."

Gough revealed the decision was backed up as the right one in a referees meeting on Wednesday night.

"It has been discussed at the highest level last night among the elite referees on the national panel, and there was a unanimous decision made that it was 100% the correct decision. And I only got to see it once. I got to see it in real time. And we have a situation where you know, people are viewing this back 10 and 15 times and still can't arrive at the correct decision."

Mick O'Grady's foul on Niall Scully in the Dublin-Kildare game in Kilkenny later that Saturday evening was also discussed but Seán Hurson's colleagues and administrators agreed that he was accurate not to award a penalty and issue a black card.

"There was a potential one in the Dublin game last weekend and I know Paul Flynn was calling for greater consistency. However, the Dublin one was not a pulldown so it couldn't be considered a black card. Therefore, the goalscoring opportunity, part of the rule doesn't come into play.

"We have a very good understanding as to where these fouls fit in the language of the rules. Yes, the foul was cynical and it prevented a goalscoring opportunity but no, it was not a black card foul, so therefore the application of that rule didn't come into play."

Speaking at SuperValu's launch of their "Wear With Pride" laces initiative for Pride 2023, Gough readily admits he has become a better referee since the GAA participated in Dublin Pride march in 2019 when John Horan was GAA president.

"I can remember sitting in the president's box after the All-Ireland final in 2019, and I was almost in tears explaining to him the sort of self-confidence that came from the self-acceptance and that self-acceptance coming from the GAA. That they had finally accepted me and were willing not only accept me but to publicly put me out there as someone we're very proud of.

Gough, who came out publicly in 2011, said: "I was allowed go on 'The Late Late Show'. For a referee to receive permission (to do that) – we would always have to receive permission to do media – and then to walk in Pride, that gave me a huge swelling of self-confidence.

"We often talk, particularly where I work in a school, that people say they want to bring their full selves to work. It should be no different on the football field. As a human being, I should be bringing my full self to my job as a referee. In 2019, that was the first time I was allowed do that. I definitely saw a big jump in the standard my refereeing that year."

*Produced in Donegal, rainbow laces will be available to purchase in SuperValu stores nationwide for the month of June, with proceeds going to support Belong To, LGBTQ+ Youth Ireland.


Gough pointing out that the Cork players and management were unaware of the actual rule.

On a broader point I think that the GAA could do far better in terms of explaining the rules to people - the fact that Paul Flynn on the Sunday Game was calling for consistency in the application of the rule when the rule was applied correctly in that Kildare Dublin game shows that the understanding/awareness of the rules is sadly lacking in a lot of quarters.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2023, 10:06:43 PM
Even when people know the rules they still have something to say!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Saffrongael on June 09, 2023, 09:43:51 AM
Gough saying on Parkinson's show that Niall Morgan's black card was for "aggressive body language". Is that a rule I assume ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Saffrongael on June 09, 2023, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 08, 2023, 03:36:28 PM
QuoteLack of understanding central to Cork-Kerry penalty call criticism, says Gough

'When I explained on the pitch to the Cork players what was happening they seem to go, 'Oh, okay'. And they were fine about it,' David Gough insisted.
Lack of understanding central to Cork-Kerry penalty call criticism, says Gough
'CORRECT DECISION': GAA Referee and LGBTQ+ advocate David Gough at the launch of SuperValu's 'Wear with Pride' Laces campaign. Pic: ©INPHO/Dan Sheridan

THU, 08 JUN, 2023 - 12:09
JOHN FOGARTY

David Gough believes there was a lack of understanding of the black card/penalty rule that he applied in last Saturday's All-Ireland SFC Group 1 game between Cork and Kerry in Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

The Meath referee awarded Kerry a second-half penalty and sin-binned Seán Powter for his foul on Paul Geaney outside the small parallelogram as it denied a goal-scoring opportunity, as the rule stipulates.

Gough said Cork manager John Cleary's reaction towards him and in his post-match interviews demonstrated that he did not know the rule.

Asked about the reaction, Gough said: "Ignorance in that there may have been a lack of knowledge or understanding of the rule. When I explained on the pitch to the Cork players what was happening they seem to go, 'Oh, okay'. And they were fine about it.

"When I was walking off the pitch John Cleary was giving out to me that he said he had seen the incident back and it was outside the penalty box, that it was never a penalty.

"I then explained the situation to him and I'm listening to him on the radio going home and he's saying it was never a goalscoring opportunity. So even he didn't understand what was going on.

"And it's a difficult one because players first of all weren't aware of the rule and second of all then people, pundits, media, managers didn't have a great understanding of the rule and the language of the goalscoring opportunity and what that actually constitutes. So that's why there was so much confusion about it."

Gough revealed the decision was backed up as the right one in a referees meeting on Wednesday night.

"It has been discussed at the highest level last night among the elite referees on the national panel, and there was a unanimous decision made that it was 100% the correct decision. And I only got to see it once. I got to see it in real time. And we have a situation where you know, people are viewing this back 10 and 15 times and still can't arrive at the correct decision."

Mick O'Grady's foul on Niall Scully in the Dublin-Kildare game in Kilkenny later that Saturday evening was also discussed but Seán Hurson's colleagues and administrators agreed that he was accurate not to award a penalty and issue a black card.

"There was a potential one in the Dublin game last weekend and I know Paul Flynn was calling for greater consistency. However, the Dublin one was not a pulldown so it couldn't be considered a black card. Therefore, the goalscoring opportunity, part of the rule doesn't come into play.

"We have a very good understanding as to where these fouls fit in the language of the rules. Yes, the foul was cynical and it prevented a goalscoring opportunity but no, it was not a black card foul, so therefore the application of that rule didn't come into play."

Speaking at SuperValu's launch of their "Wear With Pride" laces initiative for Pride 2023, Gough readily admits he has become a better referee since the GAA participated in Dublin Pride march in 2019 when John Horan was GAA president.

"I can remember sitting in the president's box after the All-Ireland final in 2019, and I was almost in tears explaining to him the sort of self-confidence that came from the self-acceptance and that self-acceptance coming from the GAA. That they had finally accepted me and were willing not only accept me but to publicly put me out there as someone we're very proud of.

Gough, who came out publicly in 2011, said: "I was allowed go on 'The Late Late Show'. For a referee to receive permission (to do that) – we would always have to receive permission to do media – and then to walk in Pride, that gave me a huge swelling of self-confidence.

"We often talk, particularly where I work in a school, that people say they want to bring their full selves to work. It should be no different on the football field. As a human being, I should be bringing my full self to my job as a referee. In 2019, that was the first time I was allowed do that. I definitely saw a big jump in the standard my refereeing that year."

*Produced in Donegal, rainbow laces will be available to purchase in SuperValu stores nationwide for the month of June, with proceeds going to support Belong To, LGBTQ+ Youth Ireland.


Gough pointing out that the Cork players and management were unaware of the actual rule.

On a broader point I think that the GAA could do far better in terms of explaining the rules to people - the fact that Paul Flynn on the Sunday Game was calling for consistency in the application of the rule when the rule was applied correctly in that Kildare Dublin game shows that the understanding/awareness of the rules is sadly lacking in a lot of quarters.

When they are prepping for the Sunday Game, which they do for a few hours apparently, would they not have made t their business to find out the intricacies of the rules if they were going to have it as a talking point ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Is it a 'goal opportunity' wording? and if so how is wrong? There have been plenty of goals scored when someone is running into the square regardless off how many defenders there are..

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Is it a 'goal opportunity' wording? and if so how is wrong? There have been plenty of goals scored when someone is running into the square regardless off how many defenders there are..

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)
[/quote

I believe its if the ref deems it to be a goal scoring opportunity.
Does that mean every time a forward is inside the 20m line they are brought down they automatically get a penalty. Seems strange as you can alway say a forward is attacking the goal anytime they are brought down.

Black card was brought in long before the Sean incident so not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Saffrongael on June 09, 2023, 12:03:14 PM
Has to be a black card offence for it to be a penalty inside the 21, otherwise if it's outside the square it's just a free. Which is a nonsense.

That's my understanding anyway
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on June 09, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 09, 2023, 09:43:51 AM
Gough saying on Parkinson's show that Niall Morgan's black card was for "aggressive body language". Is that a rule I assume ?

Yip;

Category II   Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior Infraction (in Football)     
(i)  Deliberately pulling down an opponent.     
(ii)   Deliberately tripping an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.     
(iii)   Deliberately colliding with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of  taking him out of  a movement of play.     
(iv)   Threatening or using abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a team-mate.     
(v)   Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with a Match Official   Fixed Penalty for first Infraction - the offender shall serve ten minutes in the Sin-Bin


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Is it a 'goal opportunity' wording? and if so how is wrong? There have been plenty of goals scored when someone is running into the square regardless off how many defenders there are..

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)
[/quote

I believe its if the ref deems it to be a goal scoring opportunity.
Does that mean every time a forward is inside the 20m line they are brought down they automatically get a penalty. Seems strange as you can alway say a forward is attacking the goal anytime they are brought down.

Black card was brought in long before the Sean incident so not sure what you mean.

When Sean Cavanagh pulled down Conor McManus in the 2013 All-Ireland Quarter Final, little did he know that he would change the landscape of the game. Cavanagh was lambasted for his cynicism by all from the media, with RTE pundit Joe Brolly taking particular offence from the action.

But the Tyrone star was not the sole perpetrator of cynical play in the GAA and we would also be a bit naive to think that deliberate pull downs and trips didn't exist in the era of the great teams of the past.

GAA congress knew it would have to act so it set about putting structure together that  would punish cynical play and give the advantage to teams trying to play football. The black card was born with great intentions but has let the GAA public wholly dissatisfied  with it's varied interpretation and implementation.

What year did the Black card come out? 2014?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Is it a 'goal opportunity' wording? and if so how is wrong? There have been plenty of goals scored when someone is running into the square regardless off how many defenders there are..

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)
[/quote

I believe its if the ref deems it to be a goal scoring opportunity.
Does that mean every time a forward is inside the 20m line they are brought down they automatically get a penalty. Seems strange as you can alway say a forward is attacking the goal anytime they are brought down.

Black card was brought in long before the Sean incident so not sure what you mean.

When Sean Cavanagh pulled down Conor McManus in the 2013 All-Ireland Quarter Final, little did he know that he would change the landscape of the game. Cavanagh was lambasted for his cynicism by all from the media, with RTE pundit Joe Brolly taking particular offence from the action.

But the Tyrone star was not the sole perpetrator of cynical play in the GAA and we would also be a bit naive to think that deliberate pull downs and trips didn't exist in the era of the great teams of the past.

GAA congress knew it would have to act so it set about putting structure together that  would punish cynical play and give the advantage to teams trying to play football. The black card was born with great intentions but has let the GAA public wholly dissatisfied  with it's varied interpretation and implementation.

What year did the Black card come out? 2014?

Some basic history here for you.

Black card introduced in jan 2013 for the 2014 season.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-propose-introduction-of-black-card-to-stamp-out-cynical-fouls/28955932.html

Sean pulled down was in Aug 2013 AFTER the black card was already agreed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Some basic reading for you:

THE GAA will look to introduce 'black card' offences in a bid to stamp out some of the more cynical behaviour in Gaelic football for the 2014 season

Under the proposal, should a team pick up a fourth black card in a game, that player could not be replaced.

If approved by Congress, the proposals would apply from January 1, 2014.

This is from your article, it was passed because of Sean's cynical fouling that was highlighted and picked on by Brolly

As for that other claim of 'brought in long before the Sean incident' some stretch

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Some basic reading for you:

THE GAA will look to introduce 'black card' offences in a bid to stamp out some of the more cynical behaviour in Gaelic football for the 2014 season

Under the proposal, should a team pick up a fourth black card in a game, that player could not be replaced.

If approved by Congress, the proposals would apply from January 1, 2014.

This is from your article, it was passed because of Sean's cynical fouling that was highlighted and picked on by Brolly

As for that other claim of 'brought in long before the Sean incident' some stretch


The black card was proposed and discussed in Jan 2013. Before the Cavanagh tackle. It wasn't passed until 2014. But unless they have brilliant soothsaying abilities, the black card wasn't due to sC's tackle.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Some basic reading for you:

THE GAA will look to introduce 'black card' offences in a bid to stamp out some of the more cynical behaviour in Gaelic football for the 2014 season

Under the proposal, should a team pick up a fourth black card in a game, that player could not be replaced.

If approved by Congress, the proposals would apply from January 1, 2014.

This is from your article, it was passed because of Sean's cynical fouling that was highlighted and picked on by Brolly

As for that other claim of 'brought in long before the Sean incident' some stretch


The black card was proposed and discussed in Jan 2013. Before the Cavanagh tackle. It wasn't passed until 2014. But unless they have brilliant soothsaying abilities, the black card wasn't due to sC's tackle.

Your Tyrone mate said the black card was BROUGHT in long before Sean C pulling people to the ground, It was PROPOSED NOT IMPLEMENTED until 2014 on the back of people discussing the highlighted tackle skills of Sean C

Plenty of things are proposed every year at Congress, 80% probably or more are not passed, the media jumped on this ( ;D ) and run with it, if yoy don't think Sean didn't help it then you are blind
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:55:19 PM
I think he was just correcting you on this comment.


Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)


Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:55:19 PM
I think he was just correcting you on this comment.


Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)

He said it was brought in long before Sean, Sean brought the topic to the top table, that's been widely recognised. But let's not highlight the good Tyronies  ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:55:19 PM
I think he was just correcting you on this comment.


Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 11:24:14 AM

And remember what who brought this about in the first place ;)

He said it was brought in long before Sean, Sean brought the topic to the top table, that's been widely recognised. But let's not highlight the good Tyronies  ;D

Yeah you were both wrong.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: blanketattack on June 10, 2023, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 09, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Paudie Clifford was wide open in the centre.
As Gough explained, goal scoring opportunity means the team had a goalscoring opportunity, not necessarily the individual fouled.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2023, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2023, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Some basic reading for you:

THE GAA will look to introduce 'black card' offences in a bid to stamp out some of the more cynical behaviour in Gaelic football for the 2014 season

Under the proposal, should a team pick up a fourth black card in a game, that player could not be replaced.

If approved by Congress, the proposals would apply from January 1, 2014.

This is from your article, it was passed because of Sean's cynical fouling that was highlighted and picked on by Brolly

As for that other claim of 'brought in long before the Sean incident' some stretch


The black card was proposed and discussed in Jan 2013. Before the Cavanagh tackle. It wasn't passed until 2014. But unless they have brilliant soothsaying abilities, the black card wasn't due to sC's tackle.

Your Tyrone mate said the black card was BROUGHT in long before Sean C pulling people to the ground, It was PROPOSED NOT IMPLEMENTED until 2014 on the back of people discussing the highlighted tackle skills of Sean C

Plenty of things are proposed every year at Congress, 80% probably or more are not passed, the media jumped on this ( ;D ) and run with it, if yoy don't think Sean didn't help it then you are blind

Need I remind you that You said Sean was responsible for bringing it in. I highlighted that it was leady discussed and proposed 6 months before that tackle to try and stop cynical fouls. The way you were suggesting was it was brought in directly as a result of sean tackle.

Anyway it's in now and like most of the gaa rules it's applied inconsistently.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
As I said before plenty of things are proposed at congress, not a lot are acted on, because I'd Sean wanting to straddle McManus it was rubber stamped.

You know the difference between proposed and passed?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2023, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
As I said before plenty of things are proposed at congress, not a lot are acted on, because I'd Sean wanting to straddle McManus it was rubber stamped.

You know the difference between proposed and passed?

You know the difference between Mar and Aug? Gaa PASSED the back card in mar 2013.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-pass-controversial-black-card-rule/29150028.html

Argument over you lose
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
I made a huge mistake reffing a B league game last night, namely implementing the rules.
Penalized 2 players in the early minutes for clearly throwing the hand-pass, one of which had put a lad through one-on-one with the goalkeeper. Also gave a couple frees out when lads went over on steps, causing a disallowed point in one case. Mayhem ensued. nobody cares about consistent application of the rules at the instant where it costs their team a score. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Derryman forever on June 15, 2023, 05:56:54 PM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
I made a huge mistake reffing a B league game last night, namely implementing the rules.
Penalized 2 players in the early minutes for clearly throwing the hand-pass, one of which had put a lad through one-on-one with the goalkeeper. Also gave a couple frees out when lads went over on steps, causing a disallowed point in one case. Mayhem ensued. nobody cares about consistent application of the rules at the instant where it costs their team a score.

Whatever made you think the rules were meant  to be applied?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2023, 06:11:26 PM
There are rules and then common sense.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: tyrone08 on June 15, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
I made a huge mistake reffing a B league game last night, namely implementing the rules.
Penalized 2 players in the early minutes for clearly throwing the hand-pass, one of which had put a lad through one-on-one with the goalkeeper. Also gave a couple frees out when lads went over on steps, causing a disallowed point in one case. Mayhem ensued. nobody cares about consistent application of the rules at the instant where it costs their team a score.

The amount of times you now see inter County players throwing the ball in games is unreal. Hardly ever pulled on it. It's a simple task to do I can't understand why they need to throw the fecking thing.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 15, 2023, 05:56:54 PM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
I made a huge mistake reffing a B league game last night, namely implementing the rules.
Penalized 2 players in the early minutes for clearly throwing the hand-pass, one of which had put a lad through one-on-one with the goalkeeper. Also gave a couple frees out when lads went over on steps, causing a disallowed point in one case. Mayhem ensued. nobody cares about consistent application of the rules at the instant where it costs their team a score.

Whatever made you think the rules were meant  to be applied?
I think it was sunstroke. The expanding bald patch cant take it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2023, 06:11:26 PM
There are rules and then common sense.

How so? Just ignore the rule based on the circumstance?

Should a player be penalized for throwing the ball? Should a player be penalized for overcarrying? Or does it depend on other factors?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 15, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
Common sense Rules
1 if a lad runs fast he can take as many steps as he like.
2 don't ever apply the steps Rule to a forward anywhere near the posts
3 don't pull up illegal handpasses especially on an attacking player
4 never yellow card a forward no matter how many cynical fouls he commits to stop counter attacks
5 allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers.
6 after a throw up ball always give a free out to the defending team.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
Common sense Rules
1 if a lad runs fast he can take as many steps as he like.
2 don't ever apply the steps Rule to a forward anywhere near the posts
3 don't pull up illegal handpasses especially on an attacking player
4 never yellow card a forward no matter how many cynical fouls he commits to stop counter attacks
5 allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers.
6 after a throw up ball always give a free out to the defending team.

Number 6 made me laugh because its 100% accurate.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2023, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
Common sense Rules
1 if a lad runs fast he can take as many steps as he like.
2 don't ever apply the steps Rule to a forward anywhere near the posts
3 don't pull up illegal handpasses especially on an attacking player
4 never yellow card a forward no matter how many cynical fouls he commits to stop counter attacks
5 allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers.
6 after a throw up ball always give a free out to the defending team.

Brilliant stuff
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2023, 11:30:06 PM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 15, 2023, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2023, 06:11:26 PM
There are rules and then common sense.

How so? Just ignore the rule based on the circumstance?

Should a player be penalized for throwing the ball? Should a player be penalized for overcarrying? Or does it depend on other factors?

Every foul should be penalised. You'll be the free takers dream ref, everyone loves a stop start game.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on June 16, 2023, 09:32:33 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
Common sense Rules
1 if a lad runs fast he can take as many steps as he like.
2 don't ever apply the steps Rule to a forward anywhere near the posts
3 don't pull up illegal handpasses especially on an attacking player
4 never yellow card a forward no matter how many cynical fouls he commits to stop counter attacks
5 allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers.
6 after a throw up ball always give a free out to the defending team.

Number 6 made me laugh because its 100% accurate.

I'd love to see the actual stats on number 6 - especially when it's a throw-ball for a kickout infringement.

On 5 "allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers" - there seems to be a significant percentage of players, refs and watchers who seem to think the rugby handoff rule applies to the man in possession of the football in GAA. It's absolutely baffling. Don't know where the notion came from.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 16, 2023, 09:48:19 AM
7. Any free kick awarded within the 45 but outside the "D" may be actually kicked 10 yards closer to the "D"
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2023, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 16, 2023, 09:48:19 AM
7. Any free kick awarded within the 45 but outside the "D" may be actually kicked 10 yards closer to the "D"

I think these rules only piss off the supporters of teams that its happening to but when their own players gain the same advantage they never complain ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 16, 2023, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 16, 2023, 09:48:19 AM
7. Any free kick awarded within the 45 but outside the "D" may be actually kicked 10 yards closer to the "D"
The hop ball rule for "wrong place" frees can't be applied to frees from the hand.
It's a total pandemic at this stage.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2023, 11:27:45 AM
Personally I think frees should be overturned instead of a throw up in most scenarios, it serves as a much greater deterrent.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Need the white spray, for both for the kicker and the lads that don't know how far 13 meters is..

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Saffron_sam20 on June 16, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Need the white spray, for both for the kicker and the lads that don't know how far 13 meters is..

I know that's partially in jest but it would be far more effective in Gaelic than soccer, any free inside the 45 should be marked with the spray unless it's quickly taken
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 23, 2023, 12:58:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Need the white spray, for both for the kicker and the lads that don't know how far 13 meters is..

It seemed like McQuillan really emphasised this to Walsh on Sunday ahead of that last free - he put him back to the spot when Walsh had stolen a healthy chunk inwards and then seemed to indicate that he'd be watching to ensure that he didn't go beyond the place where the foul happened. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 23, 2023, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
Mentioned it earlier on this thread but I feel genuine sorrow for those people who maintain that Gaelic Football is perfectly fine and the rules shouldn't change.

Taking enjoyment from football now involves a form of Stockholm syndrome.

I'm bored out of my wits here watching Mayo. Not even they can make it watchable when the opposition has no intent.

Hear Hear.
Despite what many on here seem to think, I'd argue that Gaelic football changes playing rules less frequently than many other field sports - there's no disgrace in it - it's simply a case of staying ahead of the coaches and tactical innovators.  Coaches are
rightly focussed on winning above all else.  They have a job to do, but equally administrators have a responsibility too - they need to keep the game attractive to watch and play.  Triall new rules aimed at limiting the effectiveness of tactical innovations, it's not that big an ask.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on June 23, 2023, 10:09:40 AM
Quote from: onefineday on June 23, 2023, 12:58:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Need the white spray, for both for the kicker and the lads that don't know how far 13 meters is..

It seemed like McQuillan really emphasised this to Walsh on Sunday ahead of that last free - he put him back to the spot when Walsh had stolen a healthy chunk inwards and then seemed to indicate that he'd be watching to ensure that he didn't go beyond the place where the foul happened.
Yeah in fairness watching it you could see Forker marking the spot and making sure that McQuillan clown knew where the free was from. Surprised Ego Joe didnt move it up more!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on June 23, 2023, 11:11:52 AM
In fairness there was never a player to steal more yards on frees than Oisin McConville so Armagh are due some bad karma there!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on June 23, 2023, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2023, 11:11:52 AM
In fairness there was never a player to steal more yards on frees than Oisin McConville so Armagh are due some bad karma there!
him and Canavan were the masters lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2023, 06:39:53 PM
I've no problem giving yards to both, so can be no complaints on either side, though each opposing team doesn't like it when it's against them but love it when they get it. Strange lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 24, 2023, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2023, 11:11:52 AM
In fairness there was never a player to steal more yards on frees than Oisin McConville so Armagh are due some bad karma there!
Niall toner for Derry takes some beating.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 11:40:34 PM
Doesn't actually cross the line of the foul, he walks about 10m bck. Needs all the run up, the size of him, don't understand why Loughlin doest take them like last year.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 10:20:12 AM
The best way to stop it is to stop taking the frees from the hand. There's a simple rule change that would stop people whinging
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 25, 2023, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 10:20:12 AM
The best way to stop it is to stop taking the frees from the hand. There's a simple rule change that would stop people whinging
Much more accurate off the ground anyway as we discussed on here earlier this year.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on June 26, 2023, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 10:20:12 AM
The best way to stop it is to stop taking the frees from the hand. There's a simple rule change that would stop people whinging

Laois lad claimed a mark inside the Down 45 yesterday. From where he caught it to where he actually kicked it there was about a 5 metre difference.

Time for the shaving foam to be brought out.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Blowitupref on June 28, 2023, 11:26:48 PM
Former Clare manager Colm Collins believes the offensive mark rule should be struck from the GAA rule book.



"That offensive mark, I'd have it thrown into the middle of the Atlantic - it's an awful rule,"

"It doesn't enhance the game. It makes the game worse. Instead of a fella coming down and offloading - a la the Bomber in his day giving it to a runner coming at 90 miles per hour - now they're standing up. The whole thing slows down while they try a kick at goal.

"The mark in midfield, I would be for that because I think too often really good fielders would go up, catch the ball and be crowded out when they come down.

"That offensive mark should go as quick as lightning - it's a terrible rule." "The most annoying thing in football is the constant messing with silly rules that make no difference. There's a whole load of rubbish coming in about the kickout - oh God almighty,"

"The only thing I would like to change is that one where if you take the ball past midfield, you cannot go back - you've got to use it. The result would be you have to use it. This kicking back 40 yards and recycling, it should eliminate that, and it would make a difference to the game.

"Everybody that watches football probably has their own little things that they'd like to change to make it more attractive to watch. I'd watch football all day long and I can't understand anybody criticising the fare at all.

"From a football point of view, as pundits, we're very quick to criticise the game. The hurling fraternity are a lot more protective of their sport and are very slow to criticise anything that goes on there. A lot of the time, we're putting in the boot where there's no need to put in the boot."
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2023, 11:52:44 PM
We ain't criticising hurling because it's grand and the hurling fraternity (not footballers looking in and complaining) are pleased with how it's ref'd and rule's haven't needed to be changed because it's or full of coaches looking to ruin it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 29, 2023, 01:52:40 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 28, 2023, 11:26:48 PM
"The only thing I would like to change is that one where if you take the ball past midfield, you cannot go back - you've got to use it. The result would be you have to use it. This kicking back 40 yards and recycling, it should eliminate that, and it would make a difference to the game.

Heat hear colm, it's gathering momentum! We just have to convince the refs that it won't be too hard for them to police.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 29, 2023, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2023, 11:52:44 PM
We ain't criticising hurling because it's grand and the hurling fraternity (not footballers looking in and complaining) are pleased with how it's ref'd and rule's haven't needed to be changed because it's or full of coaches looking to ruin it

Rules don't matter in Hurley stuff because they ignore them anyway.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2023, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2023, 11:52:44 PM
We ain't criticising hurling because it's grand and the hurling fraternity (not footballers looking in and complaining) are pleased with how it's ref'd and rule's haven't needed to be changed because it's or full of coaches looking to ruin it

Rules don't matter in Hurley stuff because they ignore them anyway.

Like I said, those that are complaining are bog ball enthusiasts who love the sideways 15 men behind the ball counter attacking cynical fouling mouthing choke holding off the ball hitting too many rules game that used to be called Gaelic Football
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on June 29, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
If  a player  is on one side of the field  , 1 yard outside the 50 yard  line, and kicks it  across the field , to a  teammate who catches it   1 yard inside the  50 , will a  mark be given?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 29, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
If  a player  is on one side of the field  , 1 yard outside the 50 yard  line, and kicks it  across the field , to a  teammate who catches it   1 yard inside the  50 , will a  mark be given?

Yes.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 29, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
If  a player  is on one side of the field  , 1 yard outside the 50 yard  line, and kicks it  across the field , to a  teammate who catches it   1 yard inside the  50 , will a  mark be given?

Yes.

Ball needs to travel 20 meters I think ;D in distance not in a straight line
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Derryman forever on June 29, 2023, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 29, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
If  a player  is on one side of the field  , 1 yard outside the 50 yard  line, and kicks it  across the field , to a  teammate who catches it   1 yard inside the  50 , will a  mark be given?

Yes.

Ball needs to travel 20 meters I think ;D in distance not in a straight line

So two players could be standing one metre apart, player one kicks the ball 10 metres into the air and player two could mark it.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 29, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
Not a mark as ball must travel 20m -unless  an Antrim Hurley ref was doing a football match ;D

Has anyone seen the 15 second rule being enforced?
Most lads taking a shot at the posts all seem to exceed this.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2023, 12:23:23 PM
Initially they created a 5 second rule for the forward mark, whilst the midfield mark was 15 seconds.  Both of these were policed initially, to some extent.  Then they reverted to 15 seconds for both and duly ignored them.  In all honesty it isn't a big issue, though.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Opposing players are now counting the seconds during the forward 'mark' I tell them I'll start counting when you stop or when they are back 13 meters, or move it forward for speech play during a free ;)

The best is when players are complaining about a free the other team take their free quickly and it ends up  in the net!!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 29, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Or do it like AFL, defender stands on the site of the mark and the attacker can kick it from any point further from the goals than said mark. It'll stop the forwards stealing any yards with a long run up too.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 29, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Or do it like AFL, defender stands on the site of the mark and the attacker can kick it from any point further from the goals than said mark. It'll stop the forwards stealing any yards with a long run up too.

Is the defender 13 meters back from where the free is given? so a 21 free would need to be taken back 13 meters from that area? Would that not just encourage teams to foul around the 30 area or 45?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on June 29, 2023, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 29, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Or do it like AFL, defender stands on the site of the mark and the attacker can kick it from any point further from the goals than said mark. It'll stop the forwards stealing any yards with a long run up too.

Is the defender 13 meters back from where the free is given? so a 21 free would need to be taken back 13 meters from that area? Would that not just encourage teams to foul around the 30 area or 45?
It's a good idea for the mark. Not for normal frees
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 29, 2023, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 29, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Or do it like AFL, defender stands on the site of the mark and the attacker can kick it from any point further from the goals than said mark. It'll stop the forwards stealing any yards with a long run up too.

Is the defender 13 meters back from where the free is given? so a 21 free would need to be taken back 13 meters from that area? Would that not just encourage teams to foul around the 30 area or 45?
It's a good idea for the mark. Not for normal frees

There would be no advantage, collecting a mark just inside the 45 forces you to take the mark from the halfway line!

This is where the practicalities of having these ideas on rule changes are not adaptable for the actual game
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Hound on June 29, 2023, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 29, 2023, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 29, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
A part of the delay in taking the forward mark is defenders not standing out of the way. So by the time the ref moves them and signals the free to be taken, the forward does their routine, well over 15 seconds have passed. Solution - warning followed by yellow for defenders blocking free.

Or do it like AFL, defender stands on the site of the mark and the attacker can kick it from any point further from the goals than said mark. It'll stop the forwards stealing any yards with a long run up too.

Is the defender 13 meters back from where the free is given? so a 21 free would need to be taken back 13 meters from that area? Would that not just encourage teams to foul around the 30 area or 45?
It's a good idea for the mark. Not for normal frees

There would be no advantage, collecting a mark just inside the 45 forces you to take the mark from the halfway line!

This is where the practicalities of having these ideas on rule changes are not adaptable for the actual game
Very rare that someone accepts a mark just inside the 45.
Most people think the reward for a forward mark is too much, especially chest high catches. This would allow some reward but not as easy as previous, as easier for refs to police if the defender stands where the mark was taken.
I know you'll disagree , so happy to leave it there
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2023, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 29, 2023, 07:53:25 PM
Surely then the defender will start trying to steal yards.
The simple solution is the shaving foam. If the kicker crosses it he's done. That's not difficult.

Would love to way into championship games this year with the spray lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on June 30, 2023, 01:32:13 AM
I'd be happy to get rid of the forward mark, but there might be an argument for kicker being outside 45 and recipient being inside the 20 - at least it's likely to be an actual contest give the length of time the ball is in flight and leaves it open to see catches like Clifford's in AIF or feely's a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2023, 09:37:38 AM
Was that 45/20 thing not the original proposal?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Stall the Bailer on June 30, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2023, 09:37:38 AM
Was that 45/20 thing not the original proposal?
Near impossible for the ref to have a good view of both lines when the kick and catch takes place. Asking for a lot of wrong calls. Time to remove the forward mark and a good few other rules that only add confusion 5o the game with little benefit
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2023, 07:56:48 AM
I see some counties have gotten themselves in a bit of bother in deciding the rankings when 3 teams are on equal points in a round robin based championship;

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/appeal-against-meath-s-score-difference-rule-faces-fresh-scrutiny/ar-AA1ghZRb?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e625fc709b2f4f3fa8dea3e06a3148ac&ei=10 (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/appeal-against-meath-s-score-difference-rule-faces-fresh-scrutiny/ar-AA1ghZRb?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e625fc709b2f4f3fa8dea3e06a3148ac&ei=10)

Appeal against Meath's score difference rule faces fresh scrutiny

The application of which score difference mechanism should be used to determine which team finishes higher when three or more are tied on the same points in a championship or league division group faces fresh scrutiny in two provinces.

Meath County Board is taking a case to the Central Appeals Committee challenging a Leinster Council decision to order a refixture after Na Fianna challenged the mechanism Meath used to determine the second-placed team in their four-team SFC group.

The group was won by Dunshaughlin on six points with three other teams tied on two points, but Donaghmore-Ashbourne were declared second on the basis of score difference superiority that included games involving all four teams in the group. That was consistent with what was in Meath's bye-laws.

But Leinster hearings found "ambiguity" in the application and recommended that Donaghmore-Ashbourne and Na Fianna should play off to see who advances to quarter-finals or drops into a relegation play-off.

Na Fianna argued that the rule passed at Congress in February, put forward by Tipperary club Burgess, should apply instead whereby score difference calculated from the games between the tied teams only should apply which put them ahead of Donaghmore-Ashbourne.

This conflict is also at the centre of Sixmilebridge's case with a Munster hearings committee, after their exit from the Clare SHC.


As a matter of interest what do the various other counties do in this regard?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on September 06, 2023, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2023, 07:56:48 AM
I see some counties have gotten themselves in a bit of bother in deciding the rankings when 3 teams are on equal points in a round robin based championship;

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/appeal-against-meath-s-score-difference-rule-faces-fresh-scrutiny/ar-AA1ghZRb?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e625fc709b2f4f3fa8dea3e06a3148ac&ei=10 (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/appeal-against-meath-s-score-difference-rule-faces-fresh-scrutiny/ar-AA1ghZRb?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e625fc709b2f4f3fa8dea3e06a3148ac&ei=10)

Appeal against Meath's score difference rule faces fresh scrutiny

The application of which score difference mechanism should be used to determine which team finishes higher when three or more are tied on the same points in a championship or league division group faces fresh scrutiny in two provinces.

Meath County Board is taking a case to the Central Appeals Committee challenging a Leinster Council decision to order a refixture after Na Fianna challenged the mechanism Meath used to determine the second-placed team in their four-team SFC group.

The group was won by Dunshaughlin on six points with three other teams tied on two points, but Donaghmore-Ashbourne were declared second on the basis of score difference superiority that included games involving all four teams in the group. That was consistent with what was in Meath's bye-laws.

But Leinster hearings found "ambiguity" in the application and recommended that Donaghmore-Ashbourne and Na Fianna should play off to see who advances to quarter-finals or drops into a relegation play-off.

Na Fianna argued that the rule passed at Congress in February, put forward by Tipperary club Burgess, should apply instead whereby score difference calculated from the games between the tied teams only should apply which put them ahead of Donaghmore-Ashbourne.

This conflict is also at the centre of Sixmilebridge's case with a Munster hearings committee, after their exit from the Clare SHC.


As a matter of interest what do the various other counties do in this regard?

Cavan Junior Champiosnhip is some mess they are not using scoring difference and 4 teams are tied in 6th, 7th 8th and 9th.

They put all the teams in a hat and the first two out are playing off for 6th place. The other two play off for 7th place.

The two defetated teams are then playing off for 8th with and the loser out of the championship.

The prize for the teams finishing 7th and 8th is to play Arva and Knockbride who are two Division 1 teams which is another conversation  ::)

Both these teams finished joint top and they tossed a coin to see who would take spot 1 and 2.

So in short positions were sorted by coin toss and by drawing names out  of a hat !! 



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-begin-consultation-with-leading-figures-to-explore-football-trends/a2052142375.html
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 17, 2023, 11:13:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-begin-consultation-with-leading-figures-to-explore-football-trends/a2052142375.html

Wouldn't trust some of those mentioned to come up with sensible solutions.

The poor Freshers in College this season are being subjected to the stupid rules where all kickouts have to clear the 45 and no sidelines can go backwards etc. Will make a right horlix of a lot of games.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: The PRO on October 19, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
Anyone able to answer this one?

Guy gets a straight red in a county final in a lower grade - intermediate for example.

Does he serve the one match suspension in this year's provincial championship (a different competition?) or the first round of next year's senior championship?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: smort on October 19, 2023, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: The PRO on October 19, 2023, 11:51:41 AMAnyone able to answer this one?

Guy gets a straight red in a county final in a lower grade - intermediate for example.

Does he serve the one match suspension in this year's provincial championship (a different competition?) or the first round of next year's senior championship?

Have direct experience of this, although there wasn't a provisional competition to follow

One of our players got a red card at the end of a championship match. The next championship match, the next season, was at a different grade, and he was able to play.

So unless it carries over into the provincials, which at a guess I don't think does, then the player would be available for the next championship match.

Probably a hole that needs closed as no suspension served
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2023, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: The PRO on October 19, 2023, 11:51:41 AMAnyone able to answer this one?

Guy gets a straight red in a county final in a lower grade - intermediate for example.

Does he serve the one match suspension in this year's provincial championship (a different competition?) or the first round of next year's senior championship?

This goes all the way back to Mark Vaughan getting sent off in a Leinster semi final in 2006 maybe (which was lost) and then playing for Kilmacud the following year v Brigids in opening round of Dublin Championship (I believe they appealed that it was a different competition and thus he was allowed to play.)  I tried to google there but given there was so much back and forth it's hard to find the chronology of events (Brigids appealed successfully initially I think.)  The rational outcome would be that they are all regarded as the same competition (or a continuation of the same, as such.)  However I can't be 100% sure.  I'd definitely side with the player being suspended for the provincial game, they're bound to have cleared that up, surely, maybe, possibly.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: twohands!!! on October 19, 2023, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: smort on October 19, 2023, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: The PRO on October 19, 2023, 11:51:41 AMAnyone able to answer this one?

Guy gets a straight red in a county final in a lower grade - intermediate for example.

Does he serve the one match suspension in this year's provincial championship (a different competition?) or the first round of next year's senior championship?

Have direct experience of this, although there wasn't a provisional competition to follow

One of our players got a red card at the end of a championship match. The next championship match, the next season, was at a different grade, and he was able to play.

So unless it carries over into the provincials, which at a guess I don't think does, then the player would be available for the next championship match.

Probably a hole that needs closed as no suspension served

Was this recently ?
Reason I ask is I have a notion that the rules in relation to this were tightened up/changed a few years back.
Not 100% though - it might only have been a proposal/discussion about changing this.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trailer on October 19, 2023, 04:50:29 PM
The fact we don't know for sure and the fact that it maybe doesn't, perfectly encapsulates all that is wrong with the GAAs disciplinary system.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PM
The Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Delgany 2nds on October 19, 2023, 06:44:56 PM
The red card applies to the provincial championship as it is deemed an extension of the competition. So player is free to play the next year.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on October 19, 2023, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PMThe Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
What stage are Fossa at in Kerry? If they win Kerry they'll likely get through Munster. Would be some achievement to win Kerry intermediate after winning a junior last year
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2023, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PMThe Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
What stage are Fossa at in Kerry? If they win Kerry they'll likely get through Munster. Would be some achievement to win Kerry intermediate after winning a junior last year

They're in the Final against Milltown/Castlemaine. Winners would be favourites for Munster alright.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on October 20, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2023, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PMThe Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
What stage are Fossa at in Kerry? If they win Kerry they'll likely get through Munster. Would be some achievement to win Kerry intermediate after winning a junior last year

They're in the Final against Milltown/Castlemaine. Winners would be favourites for Munster alright.
Assume Fossa are fairly down the divisions in the league in Kerry if it's played without the county boys? Serious going to make an intermediate final.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: general_lee on October 20, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2023, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PMThe Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
What stage are Fossa at in Kerry? If they win Kerry they'll likely get through Munster. Would be some achievement to win Kerry intermediate after winning a junior last year

They're in the Final against Milltown/Castlemaine. Winners would be favourites for Munster alright.
Assume Fossa are fairly down the divisions in the league in Kerry if it's played without the county boys? Serious going to make an intermediate final.
They're Division 3, their opponents are Division 1.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:29:17 PM
Have the new kickout rule/ rule not allowed to kick free kicks, marks, sidelines backwards been trialled as yet?  Any feedback on how it is working?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:29:17 PMHave the new kickout rule/ rule not allowed to kick free kicks, marks, sidelines backwards been trialled as yet?  Any feedback on how it is working?

Was doing a college game the other night but its only the first teams at college which are trialing it. So never bothered staying after I did my game..

I'd say it will be a nightmare. What if the kicker can't kick the ball past the 45? In strong winds I've seen the ball not reach past the D!! or if you kick the ball forward and it tails off backwards before being picked up, is that a free?

Ah, sounds like a load a shite1
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:51:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:29:17 PMHave the new kickout rule/ rule not allowed to kick free kicks, marks, sidelines backwards been trialled as yet?  Any feedback on how it is working?

Was doing a college game the other night but its only the first teams at college which are trialing it. So never bothered staying after I did my game..

I'd say it will be a nightmare. What if the kicker can't kick the ball past the 45? In strong winds I've seen the ball not reach past the D!! or if you kick the ball forward and it tails off backwards before being picked up, is that a free?

Ah, sounds like a load a shite1

That was one of the queries that I was thinking of.  Wouldn't be too much fun in winter football with it blowing a gale referee would get sick of throwing ball up.  If they were going to trial it would have thought been across the board so highly unlikely to be a runner. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:51:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: statto on October 20, 2023, 03:29:17 PMHave the new kickout rule/ rule not allowed to kick free kicks, marks, sidelines backwards been trialled as yet?  Any feedback on how it is working?

Was doing a college game the other night but its only the first teams at college which are trialing it. So never bothered staying after I did my game..

I'd say it will be a nightmare. What if the kicker can't kick the ball past the 45? In strong winds I've seen the ball not reach past the D!! or if you kick the ball forward and it tails off backwards before being picked up, is that a free?

Ah, sounds like a load a shite1

That was one of the queries that I was thinking of.  Wouldn't be too much fun in winter football with it blowing a gale referee would get sick of throwing ball up.  If they were going to trial it would have thought been across the board so highly unlikely to be a runner. 

On that, the ref 'apparently' can use his own discretion lol, been doing that for years, it never ends well  ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: clarshack on October 21, 2023, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2023, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 19, 2023, 04:51:58 PMThe Stewartstown players who received straight reds in the All-Ireland Final v Fossa were able to play in the Tyrone Intermediate 1st Round. Same applied to Paudie Clifford who played in Fossa's 1st game in the Kerry Intermediate Championship. I believe those suspensions don't apply until the All-Ireland series which might be a problem for Fossa should they make it that far.
What stage are Fossa at in Kerry? If they win Kerry they'll likely get through Munster. Would be some achievement to win Kerry intermediate after winning a junior last year

They're in the Final against Milltown/Castlemaine. Winners would be favourites for Munster alright.
Assume Fossa are fairly down the divisions in the league in Kerry if it's played without the county boys? Serious going to make an intermediate final.

They will play in Division 2 next year.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: seafoid on November 04, 2023, 07:16:46 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/1104/1414667-gough-var-not-the-solution-for-gaa/
Leading inter-county referee David Gough has urged caution against any future introduction of a TMO or video assistant into Gaelic games.

Speaking on RTÉ Radio 1's Saturday Sport, the Meath man said that his position has evolved on the issue in recent times, offering up the recent Rugby World Cup final between South Africa and New Zealand as a tale of caution.

On X, formerly known as Twitter, Gough said that retiring referee Wayne Barnes was "abdicating his responsibility" with some key decisions in the match, including Sam Cane's upgraded red card, being made in the TMO bunker rather than by the English official on the pitch.

Gough admitted that in the past that he would have welcomed more technological assistance, but said that his mind has been changing.

"I have said in the past that I would have [welcomed assistance] but having watched what's happening now in soccer and the very fine margins they're looking at in relation to offside, we're talking millimetres here, it's going to come down at some point to maybe not a serious infraction like a red-card infraction, but something simple like steps, which is very hard for us to police.

"Steps happen every four to five seconds and it starts again for four to five seconds and it starts again. How stringent do you want that policed?

"If we do bring in a VAR or TMO, where does it stop?"


The introduction of VAR has proven controversial
Gough also hit out at the lack of consultation between officials and rule-makers when it comes to the laws of Gaelic football.

A meeting of the GAA's Ard Chomhairle at Croke Park on Saturday considered proposals from the standing committee on playing rules, and from the sliotar and hurley regulation workgroup, but Gough said that the document containing proposed rule changes was only disclosed to referees on Friday.

Gough also said that referees had been promised a say in rule changes in football, but such opportunities were ultimately not being afforded to them.

"The elite referees panel have not met the standing committee on playing rules," said Gough.

"They have been in position now for almost six years, some of them, we've never met them.

"When we met Tom Ryan [GAA Ard Stiúrthóir] in June of 2022 we were promised that there would be no introduction of new rules without meaningful consultation with the elite referees panel.

"We now have two incidents in the past year where referees have not been consulted and rules have been tried to be brought in without fully consulting with the people that are going to be implementing them."
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 11:54:37 AM
I see there is a motion (that should eventually get over the line) that in Championship, if a game goes into extra time,  if a team has a player sent off, the team won't be able to start the game with 15 in that period, yellow cards which were scrubbed will follow you into extra time also.

Think its a good thing
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: JoG2 on January 30, 2024, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 11:54:37 AMI see there is a motion (that should eventually get over the line) that in Championship, if a game goes into extra time,  if a team has a player sent off, the team won't be able to start the game with 15 in that period, yellow cards which were scrubbed will follow you into extra time also.

Think its a good thing

About time, the 2nd daftest rule in the book 'a new game'. Daftest being the advanced Mark.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Saffron_sam20 on January 30, 2024, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 30, 2024, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 11:54:37 AMI see there is a motion (that should eventually get over the line) that in Championship, if a game goes into extra time,  if a team has a player sent off, the team won't be able to start the game with 15 in that period, yellow cards which were scrubbed will follow you into extra time also.

Think its a good thing

About time, the 2nd daftest rule in the book 'a new game'. Daftest being the advanced Mark.

agreed, sooner advance mark goes the better, brought in to try and make the game more entertaining (never was gonna happen) it has slowed the game down even more and taken a lot of inside flair out of it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trailer on January 30, 2024, 12:43:44 PM
Was thinking about this for a rule change. Game to restart after a goal with a throw up in MF. Players all return to their respective positions.
Why? Well it will give a bit more of a emphasis on the goal, opportunity to celebrate if you like but here's where I think it would really benefit the game.. at underage. The amount of times I see U12, U14 and even U16 teams concede another goal straight after the first. They just can't get the ball out and they kick it to the opposition who bag another. Restarting in MF give the team who concede time to get out again and reorganise.

If you want to go full on mad man make a goal worth 4 points.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on January 30, 2024, 01:14:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 30, 2024, 12:43:44 PMWas thinking about this for a rule change. Game to restart after a goal with a throw up in MF. Players all return to their respective positions.
Why? Well it will give a bit more of a emphasis on the goal, opportunity to celebrate if you like but here's where I think it would really benefit the game.. at underage. The amount of times I see U12, U14 and even U16 teams concede another goal straight after the first. They just can't get the ball out and they kick it to the opposition who bag another. Restarting in MF give the team who concede time to get out again and reorganise.

If you want to go full on mad man make a goal worth 4 points.

You'll see teams  milking it then, especially if that goal puts them  ahead with a few minutes left.  Soccer style goal celebrations two minutes long ,  players going down  with sudden injuries in opponents half so they have  to delay the  throw in.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 01:39:37 PM
You score a goal now = kick put from opposition 20m.
Score a goal if that was passed = throw in 50m nearer the scoring teams goal! Punishment for scoring a goal!

How about anyone on a yellow or who got a black in normal time can't play in the extra time?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on January 30, 2024, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 01:39:37 PMYou score a goal now = kick put from opposition 20m.
Score a goal if that was passed = throw in 50m nearer the scoring teams goal! Punishment for scoring a goal!

How about anyone on a yellow or who got a black in normal time can't play in the extra time?

Are you looking to add in stupid rules ?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trailer on January 30, 2024, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 01:39:37 PMYou score a goal now = kick put from opposition 20m.
Score a goal if that was passed = throw in 50m nearer the scoring teams goal! Punishment for scoring a goal!

How about anyone on a yellow or who got a black in normal time can't play in the extra time?

At senior level the keeper will either go short or boot it 60m. With a throw up you have a far better chance of gaining possession I would argue.
Although I have to say I have zero appetite myself for anymore rule changes other than to remove the offensive / defensive mark .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2024, 05:09:52 PM
I'd love the idea of an oval Pitch.

13 a side football.

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2024, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 30, 2024, 12:43:44 PMWas thinking about this for a rule change. Game to restart after a goal with a throw up in MF. Players all return to their respective positions.
Why? Well it will give a bit more of a emphasis on the goal, opportunity to celebrate if you like but here's where I think it would really benefit the game.. at underage. The amount of times I see U12, U14 and even U16 teams concede another goal straight after the first. They just can't get the ball out and they kick it to the opposition who bag another. Restarting in MF give the team who concede time to get out again and reorganise.

If you want to go full on mad man make a goal worth 4 points.
Yeah I actually like that idea especially as you mention the younger ages you'll see that thing happen at the lower levels because often theres a lad playing up the age group to make up numbers and ends up in nets.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2024, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on January 30, 2024, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 30, 2024, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 11:54:37 AMI see there is a motion (that should eventually get over the line) that in Championship, if a game goes into extra time,  if a team has a player sent off, the team won't be able to start the game with 15 in that period, yellow cards which were scrubbed will follow you into extra time also.

Think its a good thing

About time, the 2nd daftest rule in the book 'a new game'. Daftest being the advanced Mark.

agreed, sooner advance mark goes the better, brought in to try and make the game more entertaining (never was gonna happen) it has slowed the game down even more and taken a lot of inside flair out of it

Any mention of even discussing the advance mark at congress. Players, managers and supporters don't like it however the suits that introduced it are too stubborn to scrap it now.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2024, 05:21:23 PM
Advanced mark and black card 2 rules I can't stand.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on January 30, 2024, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 30, 2024, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 01:39:37 PMYou score a goal now = kick put from opposition 20m.
Score a goal if that was passed = throw in 50m nearer the scoring teams goal! Punishment for scoring a goal!

How about anyone on a yellow or who got a black in normal time can't play in the extra time?

Are you looking to add in stupid rules ?

I thought I read somewhere that there was a push to ensure reds picked up in normal time would carry through to extra time, no more "it's a new game so reds are cancelled but yellows and blacks carry through"
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2024, 11:54:37 AMI see there is a motion (that should eventually get over the line) that in Championship, if a game goes into extra time,  if a team has a player sent off, the team won't be able to start the game with 15 in that period, yellow cards which were scrubbed will follow you into extra time also.

Think its a good thing
Quote from: trailer on January 30, 2024, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 01:39:37 PMYou score a goal now = kick put from opposition 20m.
Score a goal if that was passed = throw in 50m nearer the scoring teams goal! Punishment for scoring a goal!

How about anyone on a yellow or who got a black in normal time can't play in the extra time?

At senior level the keeper will either go short or boot it 60m. With a throw up you have a far better chance of gaining possession I would argue.
Although I have to say I have zero appetite myself for anymore rule changes other than to remove the offensive / defensive mark .
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on February 01, 2024, 12:54:26 AM
With the latest square ball controversy providing more evidence that it's virtually impossible to police in real time and bloody tricky in slow mo replays, is it time to get rid of it?
What purpose does it serve in the modern game?
Presume the point of it was to stop a big lad standing on the keeper the whole time, waiting for the high ball in - sorta the opposite of the advance mark which is designed to encourage exactly that ;D
Is it needed and if something is needed, what would be a better alternative, that could actually be called accurately by refs or umpires?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 08:43:59 AM
No forward allowed in the small rectangle at all?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2024, 09:02:31 AM
Square ball is difficult, and should only be given when the referee is close to the play and confident of the call, Calling for a square ball on the 45 is very difficult to judge, so if its not blatant (like the FF ) standing on the keepers toes then play on!
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 01, 2024, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 08:43:59 AMNo forward allowed in the small rectangle at all?
Thought about that before as well. Easy regulated for the refs. But think it would take away from some of those entertaining goal mouth tussles as well. A last minute punched goal, goalie claims the ball above the FF or vice versa. Might lose as much as you gain.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2024, 10:11:35 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 01, 2024, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 08:43:59 AMNo forward allowed in the small rectangle at all?
Thought about that before as well. Easy regulated for the refs. But think it would take away from some of those entertaining goal mouth tussles as well. A last minute punched goal, goalie claims the ball above the FF or vice versa. Might lose as much as you gain.

I wouldn't be worried about that, so much as the definition and implementation ie if the forward lands in the square after punching the ball, is that a foul? And if a man scores from a punch outside the square, but he has a teammate wandered into the square, would it count? If so, umpires have their work cut out policing everything. If not, then it's really not a whole pile different to the current scenario.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AM
Abolish the small rectangle?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 01, 2024, 10:26:58 AM
Would entirely scrapping it be that bad?
I mean, under the current rule a player can stand on the edge of the square and then move in on top of the keeper as soon as it is kicked.
Would it be much different if he was to start there?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMAbolish the small rectangle?
I take it you've never played goals lol
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMAbolish the small rectangle?
I take it you've never played goals lol

If they want to wander round being an outfield player they should lose their privilege area ;D
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2024, 02:10:55 PM
I agree that square ball serves very little purpose as it is now, I don't really see the benefit in maintaining it.  Whilst we are re-drawing the lines, could I also suggest that the penalty area is brought out to the '21 and made about 5 yards wider on either side also.  Relative to the size of the pitch the current penalty area is very small and so many goal chances are lost to minor fouls 14/15 yards from goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: onefineday on February 02, 2024, 12:43:17 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMAbolish the small rectangle?
I take it you've never played goals lol

If they want to wander round being an outfield player they should lose their privilege area ;D
;D  ;D

Though I suppose it'd be a little bit harsh penalising a keeper for not getting his toe under the ball when diving to stop a penno!

I think just no forward into the box at all might be easiest to get police. Like the idea of increasing the size of the penalty area too btw.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 01:16:17 AM
In the Ros v Mon game, the Monaghan goalie clearly caught a  high ball under the post, whilst he was midair a Ros player entered the area, jumped up and slammed the ball from the goalies' grip into the net along with the goalie.The ref awarded a goal.
How was it a goal under the rules? The ball was not in mid air.
I presume the ref thought it was in mid air, that the Ros player got to it before the goalie, he also consulted about the matter with 2 civilians in white coats.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 26, 2024, 05:08:08 AM
Perfectly legal.
You cannot shoulder a goalkeeper in the square but all other legitimate tackling is allowed.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 07:59:38 AM
Always thought you weren't allowed to touch the keeper in small square at all.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: RedHand88 on February 26, 2024, 08:06:10 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 07:59:38 AMAlways thought you weren't allowed to touch the keeper in small square at all.

Nah sure a keeper could just run the clock down standing soloing in his square if that was the case.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 07:59:38 AMAlways thought you weren't allowed to touch the keeper in small square at all.
Cunnane touched the ball with his hand.
Any contact with the goalie was incidental to that tackle on the ball.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Cavan19 on February 26, 2024, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 07:59:38 AMAlways thought you weren't allowed to touch the keeper in small square at all.
Cunnane touched the ball with his hand.
Any contact with the goalie was incidental to that tackle on the ball.

I would like to hear our residents referee's take on this.

I though it was a fair goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 12:29:18 PM
So it is allowed to slap the ball out of the goalie's grasp and if the ball goes over the goal line it is a goal?

Even though the rule book just has one exception
"A score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand"
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 01:09:40 PM
Loose ball after a tackle crosses line.
Also if goalie or defender carries ball over the goal line = goal.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 01:24:42 PM
Was that a loose ball? The goalie jumped up straight from his line, clearly caught the ball and while mid-air the ball was slapped out of his grasp over the goal line by the ros player.
If it's legal I can accept, but I don't recall any such precedents where the goalie had the ball slapped out of his grasp in such a fashion.
 

Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 01:35:41 PM
Didn't see it so can't comment on that one, but if a challenge on the ball in the square is done cleanly and its a challenge for the ball, not the keeper then that's ok, in the main the cries of ya can't touch the keeper in the square generally were followed by a ref's whistle, free out.

If a player (in the square or outside the square for that matter) rips the ball from another player its a foul, ya can't do that

If the player made contact with the ball cleanly and after that made contact with the keeper, then that's where it might be up for interpretation, it will be down to how the ref seen it

Whats the difference if the keeper comes out with the ball and its dispossessed as he toe taps the ball or goes to bounce it?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 02:18:47 PM
It was a clean tackle on the ball. The then loose ball went over the goal line.

Plaudits to Cunnane who followed the ball in, a trait we haven't been noted for.
And to Ref for not going with the lazy " can't go near keeper", free out practice.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PM
I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2024, 03:29:17 PM
Teams being able to go back up to 15 players in extra time after having players sent off in ordinary time is kicked to touch in Newry over the weekend.

That was always a strange rule to be fair.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 05:13:52 PM
To paraphrase the T. O. Playing Rules of Football
The tackle in Gaelic Football is a skill and is made on the ball.


In practice a good tackle is slapping the ball out of the hands if the player in possession.


TO also says goalkeeper may not be charged in the small parallelogram but may be challenged for possession
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2024, 05:16:22 PM
The goal (https://www.google.com/search?q=roscommon+monaghan+goal&oq=roscommon+monaghan+goal&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigAdIBCTgzNjdqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e52ea63b,vid:47Z6BHOouRo,st:0)

The keeper needed to be much stronger than that. He didn't hold on to the ball at all.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 26, 2024, 07:40:11 PM
There is not a single thing wrong with that goal. He legally tackled the goalkeeper and the ball fell into the net.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on February 27, 2024, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 05:13:52 PMTo paraphrase the T. O. Playing Rules of Football
The tackle in Gaelic Football is a skill and is made on the ball.


In practice a good tackle is slapping the ball out of the hands if the player in possession.


TO also says goalkeeper may not be charged in the small parallelogram but may be challenged for possession
I get that bit, I never had any issue with the tackle. I was more thinking (in error) of a goal being scored by slapping a static ball out of the goalie's grip and that being against the rule on goals scored by the hand, rather than the ball falling over the line as a consequence of a legal tackle. 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in
In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 12:25:49 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in
In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

I could 'drop' the ball not bounce it, palm it into the net and that's allowed

It's the definition of drop rather than bounce that the ref will decide.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 02, 2024, 07:16:48 AM
I was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 02, 2024, 07:16:48 AMI was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.

Yeah I'm sure that's acceptable
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: David McKeown on March 02, 2024, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in
In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

I did not know this thanks. I wonder when this was added because I don't remember it when I worked on the rule book. I think the bit in bold would be against that definition as it wouldn't be played away.

Having looked at the rule book though and not relied on my clearly wrong memory it doesn't matter about in flight in this situation.

Under the rules.

3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

Exception

A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score:
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal line;
(ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in Rule 1.2, Exception (ii) but may score a point with the open hand(s) or fist.

So the Roscommon lad wasn't in possession I wouldn't say so the goal was fine



Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 02, 2024, 10:55:40 AM
The issue is that "played away" isn't defined.
To be honest I thought all goals scored with the hand were fine apart from typical hand passes and where the ball has been illegally touched on the ground.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Eire90 on March 02, 2024, 04:44:10 PM
goals from hands should be worth only 1 point (except own goals from hand they should be worth 3)
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Main Street on March 03, 2024, 08:26:35 PM
I loathe that hand slap and the  (volleyball) palm push into the net. I say bring back the manly punch as the only option for scoring a goal with the hand.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: AustinPowers on March 03, 2024, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 03, 2024, 08:26:35 PMI loathe that hand slap and the  (volleyball) palm push into the net. I say bring back the manly punch as the only option for scoring a goal with the hand.

Amen to that

Ban the fisted point  while  they're at it
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2024, 02:05:21 PM
New rules tomorrow should change things up with regards 'fake' injuries, players that need attention have to go off the pitch and only allowed back on at ref's 'discretion' 😉
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: LeoMc on March 23, 2024, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2024, 02:05:21 PMNew rules tomorrow should change things up with regards 'fake' injuries, players that need attention have to go off the pitch and only allowed back on at ref's 'discretion' 😉
About time.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 23, 2024, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2024, 02:05:21 PMNew rules tomorrow should change things up with regards 'fake' injuries, players that need attention have to go off the pitch and only allowed back on at ref's 'discretion' 😉
About time.

And lads taking their helmets off will also need to leave the field of play and won't be allowed back on until the next break in play and from the middle of the field.

About time, as that rule was being badly abused.
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2024, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 23, 2024, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2024, 02:05:21 PMNew rules tomorrow should change things up with regards 'fake' injuries, players that need attention have to go off the pitch and only allowed back on at ref's 'discretion' 😉
About time.

And lads taking their helmets off will also need to leave the field of play and won't be allowed back on until the next break in play and from the middle of the field.

About time, as that rule was being badly abused.

Hopefully the managers are aware of the new rules.. if no break in play it could hamper a team but I'd imagine a quick puck out to the sideline will be common enough
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 09:48:27 AM
Nicky Q will need new contact lenses.  8) 
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 09:48:27 AMNicky Q will need new contact lenses.  8) 

Not sure it applies to keepers
Title: Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
Post by: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 09:48:27 AMNicky Q will need new contact lenses.  8) 

Not sure it applies to keepers

Does it not?

Is his antics not one of the reasons for this new rule?

All a team have to do is tell their keeper to go down then and take helmet off.