Anyone read his articles the last two Sundays and the response from the GPA?
It was pretty obvious last Sunday that the word had gone out from someone within the GPA to players to have a go at him on Twitter.
I don't agree 100% with him but if what he says about the text message that went around to players is true, that's a bit pathetic.
Its a free world(yeah right). If Colm wants to have a go at anyone though a public medium. Then people have a right to answer back through their medium. Tough if they ganged up on him and he did not like it!
The Leitrim lads I know don't whine half as much as Colm does. You take the shots at people, you take the blows in return. Simple.
The article didn't merit the over reaction it got. The GPA obviously have a big propaganda machine.
What were the articles? Any links?
I disagree with a lot of what Colm says too, especially the nonsense about going on strike, etc., but he's right that the GPA seems to have become fat, dumb and happy in its role as a constituent of the GAA itself. And I'm not at all surprised at the response of the GPA. Their leadership have always displayed a unique blend of petulance, paranoia and dog ignorance.
I doubt he will be getting a Christmas card from Jason Sherlock
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2014, 07:50:17 PM
Its a free world(yeah right). If Colm wants to have a go at anyone though a public medium. Then people have a right to answer back through their medium. Tough if they ganged up on him and he did not like it!
I don't think he's that bothered about players responding to the article, I think it's more to do with the fairly obvious mobilisation of that response by the GPA, i.e. the text message.
Quote from: Syferus on October 26, 2014, 07:51:36 PM
The Leitrim lads I know don't whine half as much as Colm does. You take the shots at people, you take the blows in return. Simple.
Leave Colmín alone.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 26, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
What were the articles? Any links?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-radical-or-redundant-the-gpa-is-facing-a-stark-choice-30674945.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-radical-or-redundant-the-gpa-is-facing-a-stark-choice-30674945.html)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dessie-farrell-our-work-is-making-a-difference-30693417.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dessie-farrell-our-work-is-making-a-difference-30693417.html)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-gpas-argument-doesnt-add-up-30693418.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-gpas-argument-doesnt-add-up-30693418.html)
Is the movie gonna be like Alien v Predator?
'In space, no one can hear you Skryne.'
Poor Colm
So raise a voice against the GPA and you can expect torrents of abuse for that point of view...whether there's validity in the aruments made is irrelevant ....is this how we would like public discourse to take place? Not healthy IMO
Donal Og seems to be in over in NY every second week. Nice gig if you can get it.
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 26, 2014, 07:55:17 PM
The article didn't merit the over reaction it got. The GPA obviously have a big propaganda machine.
Aye and a rather large block grant ! Nice if you can get it surely.
And the ordinary club footballer is expected to train all year to play championship in the space of a few weeks. We had a club player this year do his cruciate after three club championship games in a week. The GPA are so far removed from the ordinary footballer it's wrong. Dessie Farrell response was to mention the commercialism of a county player. FFS.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 26, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Is the movie gonna be like Alien v Predator?
"Whoever wins, we lose" was the tagline for that movie and seems to sum up this spat as well.
I don't get the GPA argument that there are loads of club players therefore they can't do much for them.
Have they weighed in on the club fixtures pile-up at all?
The GAA giving the GPA a seat at the table was a masterstroke, they are inside the tent pissing out rather than the reverse. The fire & the fight has dimmed alrite, but O'Rourke shouldn't be surprised that they came out swinging, any organisation with a vested interest would react the same.
I'm not anti GPA but can anyone tell me EXACTLY what they stand for? We all know the problems within GAA on fixtures and too many competitions etc but what value added do the GPA bring bar line the pockets of the very elite?
Quote from: ck on October 27, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
I'm not anti GPA but can anyone tell me EXACTLY what they stand for? We all know the problems within GAA on fixtures and too many competitions etc but what value added do the GPA bring bar line the pockets of the very elite?
Did you not read Dessie Farrells article that is linked above, that's what the GPA are doing, all of that.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html)
Most GAA people know little or nothing about the GPA but if they consult their website they will get plenty of information.
Here are a few questions of interest to the GAA public that you will not see answered on the website:
1. How many players are registered, paid-up members of the GPA? And how many players attended the recent AGM of the GPA?
2. Are the detailed financial statements of the GPA available for disclosure to all GAA members as with other branches of the GAA? If not why not ?
3. How much money per year is given to the GPA from the GAA?
4. How many Dublin players have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
5. How many players from Leitrim or Longford have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
6. Is it the policy of the GPA to insist on players being compensated for loss of wages if a game is fixed for a weekday thereby preventing such games being played, as happened to the scheduled Carlow v Laois fixture?
7. How many paid employees, full-time and part-time, are working for the GPA?
8. How does the GPA intend to make proposals for change in relation to fixtures, Championship structures and similar matters? Will they put forward motions to Congress through county boards?
9. What is the view of the GPA regarding members who travel abroad for the summer months leaving their clubs without their services?
10. Will the GPA always exclude club players only from services supplied by the GPA and presently paid for by the GAA?
Eugene McGee rides to the rescue of O'Rourke
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 27, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Jayo had an MBA paid for after he was retired from IC Football.
Quote from: heffo on October 27, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 27, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Jayo had an MBA paid for after he was retired from IC Football.
That's one example , I don't know the details but how was that fair?
How are these awards adjudicated ?
It will put the spotlight on this particular example as I expect he as you say was retired when he got the educational place ( I'm sure some current culchie club player will state they were more eligible) plus he's from Dublin and the same club as Farrell etc
That's prob the example orourke was alluding to.
But
Are there any more?
I know Paul Flynn got one too but he was a struggling plumber I hear and this really helped him!
Any others?
Quote from: heffo on October 27, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 27, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Jayo had an MBA paid for after he was retired from IC Football.
In DCU, second best like the Dubs during Sherlock's reign.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 27, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 27, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Jayo had an MBA paid for after he was retired from IC Football.
In DCU, second best like the Dubs during Sherlock's reign.
He won the same amount of AI's as the great Armagh one in a row team of 2002.
Quote from: heffo on October 27, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 27, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 27, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Would also like to find out which players were given educational grants/places etc!
Have heard that long retired ex county players already in gainful employment were recipient of this - thus robbing the opportunity of a current maybe unemployed lad needing such education and funding in order to stay in the country and available to play for club or county!
Jayo had an MBA paid for after he was retired from IC Football.
In DCU, second best like the Dubs during Sherlock's reign.
He won the same amount of AI's as the great Armagh one in a row team of 2002.
Its hard to believe that many of that same Armagh team tell the rest of us how to play the game still.
All on the strength of em- one AI.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: ck on October 27, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
I'm not anti GPA but can anyone tell me EXACTLY what they stand for? We all know the problems within GAA on fixtures and too many competitions etc but what value added do the GPA bring bar line the pockets of the very elite?
Did you not read Dessie Farrells article that is linked above, that's what the GPA are doing, all of that.
'Despite representing county players the GPA has made several submissions and provides player representation in an attempt to solve many of the perceived issues within the game which impact on both club and county players. Our members are club players, they want to see the problems resolved, they are fed up with the almost prejudicial blame game.'What was the nature of these submissions, specifically with respect to club fixtures do you know BC?
Not doubting they were made, I just never heard any reference to them up to now.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html)
Most GAA people know little or nothing about the GPA but if they consult their website they will get plenty of information.
Here are a few questions of interest to the GAA public that you will not see answered on the website:
1. How many players are registered, paid-up members of the GPA? And how many players attended the recent AGM of the GPA?
2. Are the detailed financial statements of the GPA available for disclosure to all GAA members as with other branches of the GAA? If not why not ?
3. How much money per year is given to the GPA from the GAA?
4. How many Dublin players have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
5. How many players from Leitrim or Longford have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
6. Is it the policy of the GPA to insist on players being compensated for loss of wages if a game is fixed for a weekday thereby preventing such games being played, as happened to the scheduled Carlow v Laois fixture?
7. How many paid employees, full-time and part-time, are working for the GPA?
8. How does the GPA intend to make proposals for change in relation to fixtures, Championship structures and similar matters? Will they put forward motions to Congress through county boards?
9. What is the view of the GPA regarding members who travel abroad for the summer months leaving their clubs without their services?
10. Will the GPA always exclude club players only from services supplied by the GPA and presently paid for by the GAA?
Eugene McGee rides to the rescue of O'Rourke
Some interesting questions posed by Eugene McGee, I think that the whole purpose of the GPA's existence, functioning and purpose is about to stir debate over the next few weeks. I think McGee knows full well that Dublin players have been beneficiaries of the GPA funding and that Longford and Leitrim have received diddly squat, hence why he has asked questions 4 & 5.
He also probably knows full well that the accounts are not available for inspection and also probably knows that some top brass are drawing salaries from the company. Looking at Dessie Farrells article he doesn't seem to be hiding the fact that fixtures congestion and championship structure seems to be way down their agenda but financial assistance for top players and former top players seem to be the main purpose of their existence. McGee knows full well the answer to most of these questions and it will be interesting to hear Dessie Farrell's response to this latest article.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: ck on October 27, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
I'm not anti GPA but can anyone tell me EXACTLY what they stand for? We all know the problems within GAA on fixtures and too many competitions etc but what value added do the GPA bring bar line the pockets of the very elite?
Did you not read Dessie Farrells article that is linked above, that's what the GPA are doing, all of that.
'Despite representing county players the GPA has made several submissions and provides player representation in an attempt to solve many of the perceived issues within the game which impact on both club and county players. Our members are club players, they want to see the problems resolved, they are fed up with the almost prejudicial blame game.'
What was the nature of these submissions, specifically with respect to club fixtures do you know BC?
Not doubting they were made, I just never heard any reference to them up to now.
No idea Jinxy, the GPA have always struck me as an elitist organisaition who are only interested in what the county players do. They probably have made representations in regards to county player welfare which by association have had some relevance to the average Joe club man but it was no way any part of their main agenda.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 27, 2014, 03:07:13 PM
McGee knows full well the answer to most of these questions and it will be interesting to hear Dessie Farrell's response to this latest article.
something along the lines of
"Right boys, there's a Longford fcker at it now. On my command, Tweet the bejasus outta him"
?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html)
Most GAA people know little or nothing about the GPA but if they consult their website they will get plenty of information.
Here are a few questions of interest to the GAA public that you will not see answered on the website:
1. How many players are registered, paid-up members of the GPA? And how many players attended the recent AGM of the GPA?
2. Are the detailed financial statements of the GPA available for disclosure to all GAA members as with other branches of the GAA? If not why not ?
3. How much money per year is given to the GPA from the GAA?
4. How many Dublin players have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
5. How many players from Leitrim or Longford have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
6. Is it the policy of the GPA to insist on players being compensated for loss of wages if a game is fixed for a weekday thereby preventing such games being played, as happened to the scheduled Carlow v Laois fixture?
7. How many paid employees, full-time and part-time, are working for the GPA?
8. How does the GPA intend to make proposals for change in relation to fixtures, Championship structures and similar matters? Will they put forward motions to Congress through county boards?
9. What is the view of the GPA regarding members who travel abroad for the summer months leaving their clubs without their services?
10. Will the GPA always exclude club players only from services supplied by the GPA and presently paid for by the GAA?
Eugene McGee rides to the rescue of O'Rourke
Heartburn and EMG articles go hand in hand! Now Chairman of the Football Review Committee Eugene McGee would want to look at his own work with the GAA before he would want to go telling other people how to do theirs.
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 27, 2014, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-croke-park-must-take-from-rich-and-give-to-poor-30694884.html)
Most GAA people know little or nothing about the GPA but if they consult their website they will get plenty of information.
Here are a few questions of interest to the GAA public that you will not see answered on the website:
1. How many players are registered, paid-up members of the GPA? And how many players attended the recent AGM of the GPA?
2. Are the detailed financial statements of the GPA available for disclosure to all GAA members as with other branches of the GAA? If not why not ?
3. How much money per year is given to the GPA from the GAA?
4. How many Dublin players have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
5. How many players from Leitrim or Longford have been beneficiaries of funding in any capacity from the GPA in the past three years?
6. Is it the policy of the GPA to insist on players being compensated for loss of wages if a game is fixed for a weekday thereby preventing such games being played, as happened to the scheduled Carlow v Laois fixture?
7. How many paid employees, full-time and part-time, are working for the GPA?
8. How does the GPA intend to make proposals for change in relation to fixtures, Championship structures and similar matters? Will they put forward motions to Congress through county boards?
9. What is the view of the GPA regarding members who travel abroad for the summer months leaving their clubs without their services?
10. Will the GPA always exclude club players only from services supplied by the GPA and presently paid for by the GAA?
Eugene McGee rides to the rescue of O'Rourke
Heartburn and EMG articles go hand in hand! Now Chairman of the Football Review Committee Eugene McGee would want to look at his own work with the GAA before he would want to go telling other people how to do theirs.
Using your logic then only the Taoiseach and his predecessors should have a view as to how the country should be run. At least state which bits of his questions you disagree with or see as nonsense rather than shooting down the message because he is someone you clearly have no time for.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 04:36:02 PM
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
The person who sent around the text from the GPA is the same person who warned/texted all journalists during the last Cork strike to not print that a funeral boycott was organised
Anyone and everyone within the GAA is entitled to an opinion on this.
I disagree with a lot of the stuff Eugene McGee comes out with in general but he has posed a number of valid and reasonable questions, which I would hope Dessie & Co. will respond to.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
Anyone and everyone within the GAA is entitled to an opinion on this.
I disagree with a lot of the stuff Eugene McGee comes out with in general but he has posed a number of valid and reasonable questions, which I would hope Dessie & Co. will respond to.
Next thing we can expect are Sinn Fein-esque leaks telling us Eugene has demons and problems and Dessie hopes he gets the help he needs!
I think the GPA have misread the temperature in the room on this one as Colm seems to have quite a bit of support, and not all of it from cranky oul fellas either (no offence Eugene!).
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
Anyone and everyone within the GAA is entitled to an opinion on this.
I disagree with a lot of the stuff Eugene McGee comes out with in general but he has posed a number of valid and reasonable questions, which I would hope Dessie & Co. will respond to.
Exactly.
I generally think eugene mcgee is a bit of a spoofer, but he raises some valid points here.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 04:36:02 PM
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
I'm sure the GPA / GAA have nothing to hide and that they will in time provide reassurance to all. There is a school of thought that the GPA are there paying a lot of salaries and ticking a lot of boxes pretending to be doing a lot, talking a lot but delivering little. But I would think they are much more than a tick box talking shop.
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
I wouldn't call it GPA bashing Zulu. I've no doubt they do a lot of good but a but more transparency wouldnt go amiss.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
just full time county players?
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
Sure why do we need the GPA at all then?
Let the GAA and the county boards look after the intercounty players.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 04:36:02 PM
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
Fairly difficult to ascertain whether somebody has read an article or not based on a Twitter message.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
Is that not kinda missing the point?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2014, 11:57:18 AM
Let the GAA and the county boards look after the intercounty players.
That's exactly why the GPA were started ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2014, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
To do what they are doing?? The GPA don't represent club players, now you can criticise them for that but it's nonsense to critics them for not sorting the problems that other bodies are meant to sort.
Sure why do we need the GPA at all then?
Let the GAA and the county boards look after the intercounty players.
Quote from: Bingo on October 28, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
Is that not kinda missing the point?
Why, are you suggesting the players are lying or that the GPA should be working on behalf of non-members?
Quote from: Sidney on October 28, 2014, 12:04:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2014, 04:36:02 PM
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
Fairly difficult to ascertain whether somebody has read an article or not based on a Twitter message.
Not really.
O'Rourke clearly acknowledged the good work the GPA do for past and present intercounty players.
Anyone with half a brain who read the article would know this.
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I get the feeling reading some of the player responses (as above) that a lot of them didn't even read the article.
Fairly difficult to ascertain whether somebody has read an article or not based on a Twitter message.
Not really.
O'Rourke clearly acknowledged the good work the GPA do for past and present intercounty players.
Anyone with half a brain who read the article would know this.
+1
As far as I can see CO'R is bang on with what he wrote, the GPA agitated got what they needed, then few of their leaders saw an opportunity to get well paid positions for 'representing' the players. Now have no real power without the GAA but do they care?
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: Bingo on October 28, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
Is that not kinda missing the point?
Why, are you suggesting the players are lying or that the GPA should be working on behalf of non-members?
Well the members are on the inside and it is working well for them, particularly the vocal ones or those with a profile. But as GAA members, are we not entitled to ask questions of them?
They could very well be doing great work but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be accountable as GAA money is going into them.
I know one ex-county player who wouldn't be a fan after dealings with them and then you'd have Philip Jordan from Tyrone who would generally be very critical of them of them on Twitter.
Quote from: heffo on October 28, 2014, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
I wouldn't call it GPA bashing Zulu. I've no doubt they do a lot of good but a but more transparency wouldnt go amiss.
+1
right now it just appears to be a 'jobs for the (na fianna) boys' kind of clique.
bad enough that club players are left behind, but this elitism doesn't sit well with my traditional Irish mentality.
Anyone read Paddy Heaney's article today?
I believe he addresses this issue.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 28, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 28, 2014, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Not surprised to see the GPA bashing here but it's been clear for a long time that they can do no right for some folks. But it's quite astonishing that they are getting criticised for club fixtures. For starters they do not represent club players so it isn't within their remit but more importantly club fixtures are the remit of the GAA and county boards and could be addressed by these bodies if they so wished so the blame for club fixtures should be laid at the door of the GAA, county boards, clubs themselves and GAA members/fans like your goodselves.
The GPA do what they do and are apparently doing a good job if the comments of their members is reflective. It's easy to criticise like Colm did without knowing the facts, the Mayo/Kerry semi final in Limerick being an example of an ill-informed criticism.
I wouldn't call it GPA bashing Zulu. I've no doubt they do a lot of good but a but more transparency wouldnt go amiss.
+1
right now it just appears to be a 'jobs for the (na fianna) boys' kind of clique.
bad enough that club players are left behind, but this elitism doesn't sit well with my traditional Irish mentality.
Explain Jayo's scholarship so, sure isn't he a Plunkets man :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wqYeAB8hc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wqYeAB8hc&feature=youtu.be)
Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 28, 2014, 09:37:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wqYeAB8hc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wqYeAB8hc&feature=youtu.be)
ah, lets whack up a video to defend ourselves...
Thanks for the video Bud, but I feel that's an intro rather than an answer!
I'm sure the info is available somewhere - but I'd like to see the breakdown of the recipients of scholarships and awards etc.
What are the salaries and outgoings!
I'd actually like more transparency in the wider croke park hq operations etc
Eg I believe that hawk eye cost €500,000 to install and it's maintenance costs €250,000 annually - which IMO is a disgrace and a complete rip off.
Plus we will nearly double that if it is installed in thurles!
That's not good enough.
Again where is the transparency for croke park costs ( maybe I just don't know where to get all these figures and breakdowns ) so the GPA aren't to blame for this lack of transparency possibly!
How much do you think Hawk Eye should cost then? Do you see a better deal somewhere?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2014, 01:47:37 AM
How much do you think Hawk Eye should cost then? Do you see a better deal somewhere?
Hire these. Cheaper than Hawkeye. All we need is umpires to have a better view of the action.
http://www.heightforhire.ie/en/hire/vertical-lift
QuoteAnd not surprising you can't see the wood from the trees with the comments above.
Please enlighten me.
Your example is about as logical as as giving out about a plumbers union not demanding better pay for nurses! The GPA don't represent club players, now maybe they should but then they would need massive resources and funding and are you willing to give them that? On top of that, what do you expect them to do about fixtures in 32 separate constituencies who all have different competition formats, challenges and priorities? They haven't even agitated for a change to the daft IC season because they can't get consensus amongst the fairly small group of IC players we have, what chance could they have of getting consensus amongst thousand upon thousands of players?? It's patently daft to criticise them for not dealing with club fixtures and that is why this is GPA bashing and nothing more.
By the way what is wrong with helping out former IC players, should we abandon them once they can no longer play? Perish the thought we help players who have given so much on the field with a bit of guidance/support for life off it. Far better we give out about the GPA not doing the job others should be doing rather than acknowledging the good things they are doing.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2014, 01:47:37 AM
How much do you think Hawk Eye should cost then? Do you see a better deal somewhere?
there are plenty of alternatives.
yes hawkeye is way too expensive.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
QuoteAnd not surprising you can't see the wood from the trees with the comments above.
Please enlighten me.
Your example is about as logical as as giving out about a plumbers union not demanding better pay for nurses! The GPA don't represent club players, now maybe they should but then they would need massive resources and funding and are you willing to give them that? On top of that, what do you expect them to do about fixtures in 32 separate constituencies who all have different competition formats, challenges and priorities? They haven't even agitated for a change to the daft IC season because they can't get consensus amongst the fairly small group of IC players we have, what chance could they have of getting consensus amongst thousand upon thousands of players?? It's patently daft to criticise them for not dealing with club fixtures and that is why this is GPA bashing and nothing more.
By the way what is wrong with helping out former IC players, should we abandon them once they can no longer play? Perish the thought we help players who have given so much on the field with a bit of guidance/support for life off it. Far better we give out about the GPA not doing the job others should be doing rather than acknowledging the good things they are doing.
surely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Also if ex players are given benefits- where does it stop? will we be giving scholarships to the midfielders of the 1982 midfielders from offaly's all Ireland winning football team, or elocution lessons to pat spillane!
Giving non current intercounty players is akin to giving awards or grants to normal club players is it not?
the GAA or GPA are not a welfare system. Plenty from my own home club have had to emigrate to get work. Id love if we could get at least one of them into further education so that they could play for the club and potentially the county again too!
I suppose we all just want to see a breakdown of costs and grants/awards and transparency from the GAA (and GPA)
Baring in mind people on here have made it clear that the GPA doesn't represent club players, what constitutes an eligible county player? 1 season? 2 seasons? A few games in the McKenna cup?
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 29, 2014, 10:56:13 AM
Baring in mind people on here have made it clear that the GPA doesn't represent club players, what constitutes a county player in the eyes of the GPA? 1 season? 2 seasons? A few games in the McKenna cup?
Training panel etc, etc??
For the record, they're all club players first and foremost, it just so happens some are good enough and dedicated enough to be rewarded as intercounty players.
If its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
Quotesurely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Surely it doesn't have to stop there, does it? I don't know when or how you stop being a member of the GPA but I have no issue with the GPA helping out ex-IC players get ahead in life. I'd have no problem if they did that for all GAA players but do all GAA players apply themselves to their club as much as they should and who will pay for thousands of players going to university or getting business start up advice? It isn't a perfect system by any means but I don't think there is much merit in criticising something because it isn't perfect.
QuoteIf its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
So we should demand a huge amount but give nothing back in return and if they don't like it piss off?
I suppose the main gripe with the GPA is how elitist it is. Maybe when it was on its own and raising its own revenues etc. that was understandable but now members from every club in the Country pay into it and they are only representing the chosen elite athletes that are playing at County Level.
When it came under the umbrella of the GAA as a whole it should have been changed to a full representative body for all players. It's not too late to do it but some work needs done on what that would look like and how it would operate.
It should be the next step in my opinion.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:23:13 AM
Quotesurely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Surely it doesn't have to stop there, does it? I don't know when or how you stop being a member of the GPA but I have no issue with the GPA helping out ex-IC players get ahead in life. I'd have no problem if they did that for all GAA players but do all GAA players apply themselves to their club as much as they should and who will pay for thousands of players going to university or getting business start up advice? It isn't a perfect system by any means but I don't think there is much merit in criticising something because it isn't perfect.
QuoteIf its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
So we should demand a huge amount but give nothing back in return and if they don't like it piss off?
Who's demanding a huge amount?
I have no problem whatso ever with some of the work the GPA does for county and ex county players with scholarships and assiantance in getting work etc.
I am also aware that to roll that out across ALL players just isnt feasible, but i do feel they could stiill represent the views of the broader group of club players and lobby for thier interests.
Things like player burnout (for ALL players not just IC ones) and the fixtures mess should be things that the GPA could working on with the GAA and representing the players interests in.
To me, that would go along way in proving their worth to the standard GAA player rather than the elitist, jobs for the boys organisation that they are now percieved as.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
QuoteAnd not surprising you can't see the wood from the trees with the comments above.
Please enlighten me.
Your example is about as logical as as giving out about a plumbers union not demanding better pay for nurses! The GPA don't represent club players, now maybe they should but then they would need massive resources and funding and are you willing to give them that? On top of that, what do you expect them to do about fixtures in 32 separate constituencies who all have different competition formats, challenges and priorities? They haven't even agitated for a change to the daft IC season because they can't get consensus amongst the fairly small group of IC players we have, what chance could they have of getting consensus amongst thousand upon thousands of players?? It's patently daft to criticise them for not dealing with club fixtures and that is why this is GPA bashing and nothing more.
By the way what is wrong with helping out former IC players, should we abandon them once they can no longer play? Perish the thought we help players who have given so much on the field with a bit of guidance/support for life off it. Far better we give out about the GPA not doing the job others should be doing rather than acknowledging the good things they are doing.
Zulu - I know a lad who plays hurling. He is on the Monaghan Hurling Panel, why - because he will turn up. Plain and simple. He doesn't get playing for the club senior hurling team. They won an Ulster Junior Hurling title last weekend and he never seen a minute of action in the Ulster campaign. He got a bit of action in the county run in, as they had it fairly handy but he didn't play in the final.
By definition though he is a county hurler.
Say he wants to go to college to do a masters - is he entitled to a scholarship? Will the GPA pay his course fees? Is he entitled to this?
I think what a lot are getting at is, is the GPA a level playing field? Is every county play automatically a member or do they have to register as one? Either way, is every "member" then entitled to the same benefits and supports? Or is this available at the judgement of the people in charge?
Further more, how is the people in charge selected? I've no idea if at the AGM there is elections or what happens.
I'm sure that they have supports in place for everyone who approaches them and that seems very positive and working well.
I'm also sure that they will support players with profiles who are in demand by various commercial operations and they'll ensure that the players are properly rewarded and not exploited. Again, no problem there, certain players will attract media attention and commercial deals, its the nature of marketing.
However, the two areas that seem to be in doubt are Player welfare and these benefits. Is it a level playing field when it comes to certain benefits. If Jason Sherlock is entitled to a scholarship then who decided he was and how is it operated? If its a clear and transparent process, fair enough. The fear is its an old pals club, much like the irish politican system that we 've all known to hate.
On player welfare, we never seem to hear much on them on the club situation. I don't expect them to represent every club player but Inter county players are club players too and they can't be benefiting from the fixtures situation. Maybe as Dessie says they involved but Eugene McGee who is with the FRC doesn't seem to think so.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 29, 2014, 11:39:17 AM
I have no problem whatso ever with some of the work the GPA does for county and ex county players with scholarships and assiantance in getting work etc.
I am also aware that to roll that out across ALL players just isnt feasible, but i do feel they could stiill represent the views of the broader group of club players and lobby for thier interests.
Things like player burnout (for ALL players not just IC ones) and the fixtures mess should be things that the GPA could working on with the GAA and representing the players interests in.
To me, that would go along way in proving their worth to the standard GAA player rather than the elitist, jobs for the boys organisation that they are now percieved as.
I agree, I think they should, at least, be a lobbying voice on behalf of the club player. I'm not suggesting the club player deserves money, grants, scholarships etc but they do deserve some representation by the GPA on issues like getting the club fixtures right. This is one of the biggest challenges facing the GAA but by basically brushing off this issue as having nothing to do with them makes the GPA appear at bit elitist.
I think the GPA pays for itself, yes it gets money off the GAA but that is money generated by the IC game. It also fundraises itself and provides elite players with a valuable support structure. I don't think a GPA representing all players is realistic, there's just too many players and far too many diverse issues for anything other than a massive highly funded players body to be able to cope. I don't understand why people can't accept that the GPA are doing a valuable job for an important section of our membership while looking for other ways to help other sections of the membership. When I read some of the criticism of the GPA here it strikes me as something akin to berating a guy who gives thousands to cancer research for not doing the same for the save the Whales campaign!
Quote from: johnneycool on October 29, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:23:13 AM
Quotesurely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Surely it doesn't have to stop there, does it? I don't know when or how you stop being a member of the GPA but I have no issue with the GPA helping out ex-IC players get ahead in life. I'd have no problem if they did that for all GAA players but do all GAA players apply themselves to their club as much as they should and who will pay for thousands of players going to university or getting business start up advice? It isn't a perfect system by any means but I don't think there is much merit in criticising something because it isn't perfect.
QuoteIf its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
So we should demand a huge amount but give nothing back in return and if they don't like it piss off?
Who's demanding a huge amount?
You, me, everyone. Look at the reaction to the Tipp lads having a few drinks earlier on in the year. The players and coaching staff push it on too but you can't say that we don't all do it as well. I've yet to read a post here where a guy says 'Let Donegal, Dublin or Kilkenny do what they do, our lads are entitled to a few pints and a fry up of a Sunday and I'll travel the country supporting them as they get their asses handed to them from teams better prepared and more tactically aware. I'm just happy we have young men still willing to train once a week and take it handy on the beer during the summer'.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 29, 2014, 11:39:17 AM
I have no problem whatso ever with some of the work the GPA does for county and ex county players with scholarships and assiantance in getting work etc.
I am also aware that to roll that out across ALL players just isnt feasible, but i do feel they could stiill represent the views of the broader group of club players and lobby for thier interests.
Things like player burnout (for ALL players not just IC ones) and the fixtures mess should be things that the GPA could working on with the GAA and representing the players interests in.
To me, that would go along way in proving their worth to the standard GAA player rather than the elitist, jobs for the boys organisation that they are now percieved as.
I wouldn't disagree with that at all but it's the county boards and the GAA who should be doing that and club committees who should be forcing it through. You can't help someone who doesn't want help and apparently the ordinary club doesn't want help.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:51:18 AM
I think the GPA pays for itself, yes it gets money off the GAA but that is money generated by the IC game. It also fundraises itself and provides elite players with a valuable support structure. I don't think a GPA representing all players is realistic, there's just too many players and far too many diverse issues for anything other than a massive highly funded players body to be able to cope. I don't understand why people can't accept that the GPA are doing a valuable job for an important section of our membership while looking for other ways to help other sections of the membership. When I read some of the criticism of the GPA here it strikes me as something akin to berating a guy who gives thousands to cancer research for not doing the same for the save the Whales campaign!
Does the club fixtures debacle have no impact on the county scene and vice versa? They aren't mutually exclusive, so I'd expect the GPA to at least have a voice on the issue. I'm sure if the whales were dying of cancer that guy would be getting credit for helping research the cure.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:51:18 AM
I think the GPA pays for itself,
Not if they have to fundraise in New York.
Quote from: Bingo on October 29, 2014, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
QuoteAnd not surprising you can't see the wood from the trees with the comments above.
Please enlighten me.
Your example is about as logical as as giving out about a plumbers union not demanding better pay for nurses! The GPA don't represent club players, now maybe they should but then they would need massive resources and funding and are you willing to give them that? On top of that, what do you expect them to do about fixtures in 32 separate constituencies who all have different competition formats, challenges and priorities? They haven't even agitated for a change to the daft IC season because they can't get consensus amongst the fairly small group of IC players we have, what chance could they have of getting consensus amongst thousand upon thousands of players?? It's patently daft to criticise them for not dealing with club fixtures and that is why this is GPA bashing and nothing more.
By the way what is wrong with helping out former IC players, should we abandon them once they can no longer play? Perish the thought we help players who have given so much on the field with a bit of guidance/support for life off it. Far better we give out about the GPA not doing the job others should be doing rather than acknowledging the good things they are doing.
Zulu - I know a lad who plays hurling. He is on the Monaghan Hurling Panel, why - because he will turn up. Plain and simple. He doesn't get playing for the club senior hurling team. They won an Ulster Junior Hurling title last weekend and he never seen a minute of action in the Ulster campaign. He got a bit of action in the county run in, as they had it fairly handy but he didn't play in the final.
By definition though he is a county hurler.
Say he wants to go to college to do a masters - is he entitled to a scholarship? Will the GPA pay his course fees? Is he entitled to this?
I think what a lot are getting at is, is the GPA a level playing field? Is every county play automatically a member or do they have to register as one? Either way, is every "member" then entitled to the same benefits and supports? Or is this available at the judgement of the people in charge?
Further more, how is the people in charge selected? I've no idea if at the AGM there is elections or what happens.
I'm sure that they have supports in place for everyone who approaches them and that seems very positive and working well.
I'm also sure that they will support players with profiles who are in demand by various commercial operations and they'll ensure that the players are properly rewarded and not exploited. Again, no problem there, certain players will attract media attention and commercial deals, its the nature of marketing.
However, the two areas that seem to be in doubt are Player welfare and these benefits. Is it a level playing field when it comes to certain benefits. If Jason Sherlock is entitled to a scholarship then who decided he was and how is it operated? If its a clear and transparent process, fair enough. The fear is its an old pals club, much like the irish politican system that we 've all known to hate.
On player welfare, we never seem to hear much on them on the club situation. I don't expect them to represent every club player but Inter county players are club players too and they can't be benefiting from the fixtures situation. Maybe as Dessie says they involved but Eugene McGee who is with the FRC doesn't seem to think so.
Again, I'd have no issue with that Bingo. I don't know the ins and outs of the GPA and I doubt very much they are a flawless organisation but as you point out, there are IC players who are only that in name. However, that is a flaw of the GAA structure where you can technically achieve elite status by being in a weak county, not be being a genuine elite footballer/hurler.
I defend the GPA here against some of the dafter criticism only. I'm not a supporter of them as such and have had no dealings with them personally but I think it's quite clear that they can do no right by some and that needs to be challenged.
Quote from: five points on October 29, 2014, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:51:18 AM
I think the GPA pays for itself,
Not if they have to fundraise in New York.
That's how you pay for yourself. That's like saying a club isn't paying for itself because it runs a club lotto.
QuoteDoes the club fixtures debacle have no impact on the county scene and vice versa? They aren't mutually exclusive, so I'd expect the GPA to at least have a voice on the issue. I'm sure if the whales were dying of cancer that guy would be getting credit for helping research the cure.
You're right of course Benny but they can't push for something without a consensus of what that is and they have asked their membership for what they'd like to see and have got 101 different responses. We've had the discussion here and we can't get a consensus either. Just because it isn't in the papers doesn't mean the GPA aren't agitating for change either.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: five points on October 29, 2014, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:51:18 AM
I think the GPA pays for itself,
Not if they have to fundraise in New York.
That's how you pay for yourself. That's like saying a club isn't paying for itself because it runs a club lotto.
QuoteDoes the club fixtures debacle have no impact on the county scene and vice versa? They aren't mutually exclusive, so I'd expect the GPA to at least have a voice on the issue. I'm sure if the whales were dying of cancer that guy would be getting credit for helping research the cure.
You're right of course Benny but they can't push for something without a consensus of what that is and they have asked their membership for what they'd like to see and have got 101 different responses. We've had the discussion here and we can't get a consensus either. Just because it isn't in the papers doesn't mean the GPA aren't agitating for change either.
As a representative of players it could come up with proposals based on consultation with players groups arranged in each of the counties. This may be a pain to organise but it's not impossible. The proposals could be debated and voted on by all players and used as a basis to lobby for change. It's what happens in trade unions all over the country and not impossible if there is a will to do it. I don't have a problem with the GPA either by the way and agree that county players deserve some representation but I would suggest that an active GPA on the club issue would do them massive favours amongst the rank and file.
As would I, the cracked season we have is my biggest bug bearer in the GAA but I just don't think they are the body that should be pushing this. Why clubs aren't demanding it is beyond me but they aren't. In fact they are doing the opposite as we see in Donegal. Tough decisions are required but I don't see how you could get the support for those decisions when some many diverse opinions would have to be factored in. What you'd end up with is another version of the mess we have because you'd have to modify it any proposal so much to garner enough support that it would be worthless. The lads giving out about the GPA here are far more at fault than the GPA are for this mess, has anybody brought a motion to their club committee looking for changes to their county club championships?
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 11:23:13 AM
Quotesurely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Surely it doesn't have to stop there, does it? I don't know when or how you stop being a member of the GPA but I have no issue with the GPA helping out ex-IC players get ahead in life. I'd have no problem if they did that for all GAA players but do all GAA players apply themselves to their club as much as they should and who will pay for thousands of players going to university or getting business start up advice? It isn't a perfect system by any means but I don't think there is much merit in criticising something because it isn't perfect.
QuoteIf its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
So we should demand a huge amount but give nothing back in return and if they don't like it piss off?
if it was a never ending pot of money - id agree with you.
however the ex county players are the same as club players.
if there was transparency then we would know more, but I suspect that there is a finite (if not small) pool of money to draw from here
- so Id like to know what the award metrics are.
Club players are prob doing as much as ex intercounty players (isn't an ex intercounty player then just a club player!!)
by the way- we don't demand anything of the players. Who among us here wouldn't do what it takes if it meant playing on the top teams. Especially wen only a handful of teams are ever going to win anything - and the Carlow's, wicklows, Fermanagh's, waterfords, leitrims etc of this world -their players train damn hard and know they have little chance of success.
A few good players dropped out of intercounty because they had work or family commitments.
Our players are amateur. that's the way it is. if we could afford to go pro, that would change. we cant afford it though.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
As would I, the cracked season we have is my biggest bug bearer in the GAA but I just don't think they are the body that should be pushing this. Why clubs aren't demanding it is beyond me but they aren't. In fact they are doing the opposite as we see in Donegal. Tough decisions are required but I don't see how you could get the support for those decisions when some many diverse opinions would have to be factored in. What you'd end up with is another version of the mess we have because you'd have to modify it any proposal so much to garner enough support that it would be worthless. The lads giving out about the GPA here are far more at fault than the GPA are for this mess, has anybody brought a motion to their club committee looking for changes to their county club championships?
I think it is an issue that the GPA could / should be addressing. Often it is for the benefit of the county player that the club season is fractured and it's the club player that suffers, as do those county players that don't get much game time. Coordinating all these players interests is not easy within a county so having a forum for debate on the issue would, in my opinion, be welcomed by players and a strong voice on their behalf would be very powerful in pushing through change. Club players feel completely ignored on this issue and the average club player often runs a mile from meetings and committees so often his voice isn't heard. Anyway, you will know yourself that club motions at county conventions are never easy to even get on the agenda, never mind getting them passed. This is an issue that needs to be organised centrally by the GAA administration and input from the GPA would in my opinion be a very welcome addition to the debate.
Completely agree Benny. I would also like to see the GPA involved in this I was just reacting to how people were using a stick, that should have been long broken off other bodies backs, to beat the GPA.
Lynchbhoy, again I would agree with complete transparency but as you've acknowledged yourself that isn't very forthcoming from the GAA either. I'm sure the level of spending detail for the GPA matches what we know about the GAA's finances. In saying that, I don't think the level of transparency your looking for exists in any body so I would be slow to criticise the GPA on that score.
The GPA should, of course, be accountable and people can and should ask tough questions of them and any other GAA funded body but it should be fair and reasoned, that isn't always the case with the GPA and certainly not always on this forum.
Quote from: Zulu on October 29, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
Completely agree Benny. I would also like to see the GPA involved in this I was just reacting to how people were using a stick, that should have been long broken off other bodies backs, to beat the GPA.
Lynchbhoy, again I would agree with complete transparency but as you've acknowledged yourself that isn't very forthcoming from the GAA either. I'm sure the level of spending detail for the GPA matches what we know about the GAA's finances. In saying that, I don't think the level of transparency your looking for exists in any body so I would be slow to criticise the GPA on that score.
The GPA should, of course, be accountable and people can and should ask tough questions of them and any other GAA funded body but it should be fair and reasoned, that isn't always the case with the GPA and certainly not always on this forum.
that's exactly what I mean. But the GPA is now part of the GAA and just because the GAA are not transparent, is no excuse for the GPA not to be.
Both need to become more transparent and accountable.
We need to find out what the award criteria for scholarships was and will be, who received what and why. Salaries in gpa and GAA need to be known as well I might add.
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Quotesurely the object of this was to assist current intercounty players who cant get jobs or who need educational assistance to secure employment and keep them at home so they can play for their county.
Surely it doesn't have to stop there, does it? I don't know when or how you stop being a member of the GPA but I have no issue with the GPA helping out ex-IC players get ahead in life. I'd have no problem if they did that for all GAA players but do all GAA players apply themselves to their club as much as they should and who will pay for thousands of players going to university or getting business start up advice? It isn't a perfect system by any means but I don't think there is much merit in criticising something because it isn't perfect.
QuoteIf its a burden, then move on, someone else will take your place.
So we should demand a huge amount but give nothing back in return and if they don't like it piss off?
Who's demanding a huge amount?
You, me, everyone. Look at the reaction to the Tipp lads having a few drinks earlier on in the year. The players and coaching staff push it on too but you can't say that we don't all do it as well. I've yet to read a post here where a guy says 'Let Donegal, Dublin or Kilkenny do what they do, our lads are entitled to a few pints and a fry up of a Sunday and I'll travel the country supporting them as they get their asses handed to them from teams better prepared and more tactically aware. I'm just happy we have young men still willing to train once a week and take it handy on the beer during the summer'.
I think we're now into the grey area of amateur/professional or at least semi-professional preparation of teams and where is that ultimately going to end for the association.
In my mind its something the GAA will soon have to rule on in order to keep a level playing field as possible and prevent some county boards getting themselves into even more debt in order to compete with counties with infinitely more resources and hence advantages that go with it.
Its nothing new for as long as I can remember the bigger counties were able to 'look after' their players, wee jobs as company reps and what not, but the type of preparation some teams are getting in to really is beyond the pale for amateur sportsmen and we're already seeing the amount of commitment needed is ruling very talented individuals out of intercounty sport as they simply do not have the time to commit.
Top level intercounty GAA is becoming the preserve of students and teachers as fas as I can see.
Why would the GPA not be railing against the level of commitment being asked of their amateur members?
Answer, because a year or two down the line they'll be requesting a slice of the pie due to this level of commitment as the grant won't be enough, Dessie and the GPA's end game IMO.
As for the Tipp lads going on the lash, well in my mind the new high profile of GAA sports stars means they treated in the same way as professional soccer and rugby players, yes there's an up side to this, but the down side is this bollox about a couple of players having a few drinks and those criticising them need a boot up the hole as no doubt they haven't remotely made anywhere near as many sacrifices in their life to play hurling for Tipp as these lads.
It also fills a few column inches for the journo's to make a living off.
i think a lot of the problem is in the name of the GPA
They are clearly a body for inter-county play and should be called something like
Intercounty Gaelic players association(IGPA)
that would solve a lot of confusion
Quote from: rosnarun on October 30, 2014, 10:14:01 AM
i think a lot of the problem is in the name of the GPA
They are clearly a body for inter-county play and should be called something like
Intercounty Gaelic players association(IGPA)
that would solve a lot of confusion
The early literature put out by the GPA is explicit in that it was for all Gaelic players, not just intercounty ones, I think I still have some of their stuff at home as I was one of the few who actually paid some beer tokens into them at the start, some address in Drumcondra IIRC.
Quinns?
Zulu - The GPA is the voice of the inter county player. There is nothing stopping them going out tomorrow morning and making an issue of fixture scheduling for example. It would not cost the GPA a cent to say we are not happy, we demand change, etc. Basically all back to Colm O'Rourke's article, are they radical or redundant, are they happy to cosy up to the GAA and say quiet on the major issues?
Saying it is up to the county boards and the GAA to sort out the fixtures controversy is ignoring the last 10 years. They are not sorting it out and that's the problem, somebody needs to hold them to task over it, i.e. the GPA. Again back to Colm O'Rourke's article, what is the point of the GPA? By the way I'm fully aware of the all the good stuff they do - but if they're going to hide away voicing their thoughts on the major issues, are they really a Gaelic player's association, or is there a need for another body who won't stay so quiet.
A decent article by Brolly in this weeks Gaelic life on the subject.
Anybody got a link for Brollys article??
The GPA so badly need to sort out their PR. Haven't a clue.
So this group believe that club players are a different cause to their own. Is This policy dictated by a group of irrelevant washed up has beens getting paid by the gaa who are owned by all our members. Come accross as Chancers and spoofers riding on the back of a century and a quarter old organisation who if it was run right wouldn't tolerate the seepage of 100s of thousands into parasitic pockets.
Recognizing the GPA was a case of keeping your friends close but your enemies closer. A lot of the damage they could have done has effectively been neutralized and the old megaphone diplomacy and angry press releases has gone. But occasionally the mask slips and they reveal themselves as the shower of self-serving chancers they are. You only have to scratch the surface to see their agenda.
I know a player who is in is mid to 50's. In his time he was a regular county player, top club player, won an all star, played in an AI final, Captained his county. He has been unemployed for a couple of years now! Virtually not a hope of employment. This was pre-GPA. I suppose being a footballer from the 80's he has missed out all the perks the GPA offer intercounty footballers now?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 02, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
I know a player who is in is mid to 50's. In his time he was a regular county player, top club player, won an all star, played in an AI final, Captained his county. He has been unemployed for a couple of years now! Virtually not a hope of employment. This was pre-GPA. I suppose being a footballer from the 80's he has missed out all the perks the GPA offer intercounty footballers now?
Is there not some sort of scheme set up for those situations as well ?. Bernard Flynn and Kevin Mc Cabe ( I think ) were involved in this group.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 02, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
I know a player who is in is mid to 50's. In his time he was a regular county player, top club player, won an all star, played in an AI final, Captained his county. He has been unemployed for a couple of years now! Virtually not a hope of employment. This was pre-GPA. I suppose being a footballer from the 80's he has missed out all the perks the GPA offer intercounty footballers now?
He def should be helped.
If other ex intercounty players have been assisted then others -who by the sounds of it are in greater need of help - should also be granted educational or similar aid
Though I still think that this was a dangerous precedent to set as IMO current intercounty players in need should be looked after first.
GAA def need a programme or fund to assist ex players in need
Good article here
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/11/just-a-derry-fker/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/11/just-a-derry-fker/)
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 02, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Good article here
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/11/just-a-derry-fker/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/11/just-a-derry-fker/)
Spot on. I don't always agree with Brolly, but that article nails it.
Wonder what kind of backlash he'll get from the GPA lackies??!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2014, 08:31:27 PM
Wonder what kind of backlash he'll get from the GPA lackies??!!
Fair play to Joe, a good article and it's nearly like he's daring the GPA into a backlash against him. Interesting times.
They've f**ed up here and they're showing their lack of maturity. If they'd kept their mouths shut the whole thing would have been forgotten about by now, but now it's blowing up into a s**storm. It's the Streisand Effect in action.
If it was an open vote, Joe Brolly would be a president we'd all vote for
Quote from: theskull1 on November 03, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
If it was an open vote, Joe Brolly would be a president we'd all vote for
God be with Comrade Stalin, but even he could only manage 99.4% of the vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1937 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1937)
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If it was an open vote, Joe Brolly would be a president we'd all vote for
God be with Comrade Stalin, but even he could only manage 99.4% of the vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1937 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1937)
OK OK ... 99.4% then
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Good stuff by Joe. That nail has no head left, he's battered it so completely.
Quote from: Hardy on November 03, 2014, 11:35:58 AM
Good stuff by Joe. That nail has no head left, he's battered it so completely.
The GPA have lost this particular battle with the RTÉ pundits with Joe riding in to save Colm.
Can't see any texts or emails sent out to deride Joe or he'll ate them alive on the old social media, can't be asking too many hard questions off the GPA hierarchy.
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Good stuff by Joe. That nail has no head left, he's battered it so completely.
The GPA have lost this particular battle with the RTÉ pundits with Joe riding in to save Colm.
Can't see any texts or emails sent out to deride Joe or he'll ate them alive on the old social media, can't be asking too many hard questions off the GPA hierarchy.
not that colm needed saving !
was a bit bad of those gpa eejits all ganging up on him!
Joe obv wants the gpa to try and take him on - but even they are not stupid enough to attempt this futile mission!
all the protagonists seem to be right corner forwards
ORourke, Brolly, Dessie Farrell ....
that position must be the preserve of the narky know it all!
( I played CHF or FF btw)
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Good stuff by Joe. That nail has no head left, he's battered it so completely.
The GPA have lost this particular battle with the RTÉ pundits with Joe riding in to save Colm.
Can't see any texts or emails sent out to deride Joe or he'll ate them alive on the old social media, can't be asking too many hard questions off the GPA hierarchy.
not that colm needed saving !
was a bit bad of those gpa eejits all ganging up on him!
Joe obv wants the gpa to try and take him on - but even they are not stupid enough to attempt this futile mission!
all the protagonists seem to be right corner forwards
ORourke, Brolly, Dessie Farrell ....
that position must be the preserve of the narky know it all!
( I played CHF or FF btw)
Pundits gang up on GPA in outrage over GPA ganging up on pundit!
What we obviously now need is more non-playing egos trying to outdo each other.
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Not much if anything. I don't think that accusation can stick.
I've never known him to take a fee.
I'd vote for him too.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky bastard.
He was at an event in Cavan and asked about RTE censoring him for controversial comments seen as they are paying him. His reply was he couldn't give a feck and he gives the money away anyway.
In other words he takes the amateur ethos very seriously but he's not stuck for a few pound anyway.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
True, but as we're a nation of lazy, do it the next dayers, the opt out scheme makes more sense as most people if asked would be all on for organ donation just too darn lazy to register as a donor.
The opt out option if you make a conscious decision to keep your organs you're more inclined to do something about it.
Yeah he's a wee bollox for some of the things he says on the sunday game, but he's entirely right on this.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
which you know now goes to charity. mon now Dinny, Im not Joe's biggest fan, but you were trying to get a good aul dig in there which backfired. Take it on the chin ;-)
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
I think a lot of the law fraternity look down on such dirty common things such as tv punditry!
from recollection Joe clocked up approx. £350,000 in fees about two years ago.
he isn't short of a few bob and he does a heck of a lot for charade
would love to see the gpa taking him on. it would be funny!
slick Joe Brolly up against the bully boy mentality of the gpa (gpa hierarchy sending him hate mail with some of it in joindy up writing!!)
:)
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
I think a lot of the law fraternity look down on such dirty common things such as tv punditry!
from recollection Joe clocked up approx. £350,000 in fees about two years ago.
he isn't short of a few bob and he does a heck of a lot for charade
would love to see the gpa taking him on. it would be funny!
slick Joe Brolly up against the bully boy mentality of the gpa (gpa hierarchy sending him hate mail with some of it in joindy up writing!!)
:)
what salary are we currently paying CEO Dessie would anyone know?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
what salary are we currently paying CEO Dessie would anyone know?
Ah here now, you can't be going and asking that, its market sensitive information.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
I think a lot of the law fraternity look down on such dirty common things such as tv punditry!
from recollection Joe clocked up approx. £350,000 in fees about two years ago.
he isn't short of a few bob and he does a heck of a lot for charade
would love to see the gpa taking him on. it would be funny!
slick Joe Brolly up against the bully boy mentality of the gpa (gpa hierarchy sending him hate mail with some of it in joindy up writing!!)
:)
Predictive text can be a bitch!
Quote from: johnneycool on November 03, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
what salary are we currently paying CEO Dessie would anyone know?
Ah here now, you can't be going and asking that, its market sensitive information.
How exactly is it market sensitive information? What would be the negative consequences for the GPA and the GAA if everyone knew how much Dessie was carrying home? The only one it has potential to have negative consequences for is Dessie.
Overall I call big hairy bollox on the notion of it being commercially sensitive marker information - that's the standard line when someone is getting paid way over the odds for a handy number and claiming stupid loadsamoney expenses - basically it's a case of Dessie not wanting everyone to know just how much he is coining in in terms of his wage packet, alongside the junkets and the expenses.
Feck it I'm almost tempted to set up a Gaelic Club Players Association, shout and moan about Croke Park for a bit about them being useless,so I can get bought off to go inside the tent and end up with my own little GAA kingdom and a tasty salary - of course I'll have some of the ordinary decent lads do a bit of charity work (that they would probably be doing anyway) so that I can use that as an excuse if anyone complains about me.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
which you know now goes to charity. mon now Dinny, Im not Joe's biggest fan, but you were trying to get a good aul dig in there which backfired. Take it on the chin ;-)
We don't know that though do we, conjecture is all we have. It's not a dig it's just keeping things in perspective, lots of people earn money through the GAA including probably 50% of club managers. The GPA is an easy target, why doesn't Joe come off his moral high horse and take on the the issue of payments to managers and material benefits to club players particularly those in the Dublin club scene?
Maybe he will. Maybe he has. "Whatabout" isn't much of a rebuttal of the multitude of points well made by Brolly. And suggesting he's lying about giving he fee to charity is a bit ... well uncharitable, unless you have evidence for the suggestion.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
The GPA is an easy target, why doesn't Joe come off his moral high horse and take on the the issue of payments to managers and material benefits to club players particularly those in the Dublin club scene?
He has done so repeatedly, including a brilliant piece not too long ago, on the shambolic carry-on in Dublin club Parnells.
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While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
You do know your organs more than likely wouldn't be going to Joe.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
In fairness to Brolly he does give up a lot of his free time and never seeks payments for functions attended etc. I've never heard that he donates his RTE fees to charity though. Whether you like him or not he is a particularly brilliant writer.
Quote from: Hardy on November 03, 2014, 04:40:24 PM
Maybe he will. Maybe he has. "Whatabout" isn't much of a rebuttal of the multitude of points well made by Brolly. And suggesting he's lying about giving he fee to charity is a bit ... well uncharitable, unless you have evidence for the suggestion.
I'm not here to rebuttal his well made points.
Can you show me the evidence he gives his RTE fee to charity other than some anecdotal evidence from a poster?
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
You do know your organs more than likely wouldn't be going to Joe.
Or any Meath person, my first of Kin is aware of this wish.
Quote from: five points on November 03, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
The GPA is an easy target, why doesn't Joe come off his moral high horse and take on the the issue of payments to managers and material benefits to club players particularly those in the Dublin club scene?
He has done so repeatedly, including a brilliant piece not too long ago, on the shambolic carry-on in Dublin club Parnells.
Good, let him continue that line and hopefully paid GAA managers as well.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 04:56:30 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
The GPA is an easy target, why doesn't Joe come off his moral high horse and take on the the issue of payments to managers and material benefits to club players particularly those in the Dublin club scene?
He has done so repeatedly, including a brilliant piece not too long ago, on the shambolic carry-on in Dublin club Parnells.
Good, let him continue that line and hopefully paid GAA managers as well.
Brolly's problem is that when he acts the eedjit on TV coming out with guff it makes it a lot harder to take him seriously when he does want to speak more responsibly about GAA matters.
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Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
what salary are we currently paying CEO Dessie would anyone know?
Ah here now, you can't be going and asking that, its market sensitive information.
How exactly is it market sensitive information? What would be the negative consequences for the GPA and the GAA if everyone knew how much Dessie was carrying home? The only one it has potential to have negative consequences for is Dessie.
Overall I call big hairy bollox on the notion of it being commercially sensitive marker information - that's the standard line when someone is getting paid way over the odds for a handy number and claiming stupid loadsamoney expenses - basically it's a case of Dessie not wanting everyone to know just how much he is coining in in terms of his wage packet, alongside the junkets and the expenses.
Feck it I'm almost tempted to set up a Gaelic Club Players Association, shout and moan about Croke Park for a bit about them being useless,so I can get bought off to go inside the tent and end up with my own little GAA kingdom and a tasty salary - of course I'll have some of the ordinary decent lads do a bit of charity work (that they would probably be doing anyway) so that I can use that as an excuse if anyone complains about me.
What would you call it?
The Real GPA.
The Continuity GPA??
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
You do know your organs more than likely wouldn't be going to Joe.
Or any Meath person, my first of Kin is aware of this wish.
A wish/order passed down the generations no doubt ;)
We wouldn't need them.
We're born with a spare set of everything.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Does he not sort of make this point himself in the article by suggesting everyone on this Derry team pretty much did ok for themselves from being part of the GAA and didn't need a GPA to help them out?
"Well, the Derry team I played on didn't need the GPA to save us from the horrors of county football. With the normal caveats around human life, all of the group are more or less flourishing."
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 03, 2014, 04:40:24 PM
Maybe he will. Maybe he has. "Whatabout" isn't much of a rebuttal of the multitude of points well made by Brolly. And suggesting he's lying about giving he fee to charity is a bit ... well uncharitable, unless you have evidence for the suggestion.
I'm not here to rebuttal his well made points.
Can you show me the evidence he gives his RTE fee to charity other than some anecdotal evidence from a poster?
What is your point, exactly? That his points are wrong or that he should have addressed a different set of points, as selected by you? If you disagree with his criticism of the GPA, it would be a little more enlightening for the rest of us if you could point out where you believe he's wrong. If you don't disagree, what's the point of selecting some other topic you think he hasn't but should have addressed (although, as someone pointed out, he has).
Brolly is 100% correct in that article. Still a clown though
The fact that he gives his RTÉ fees to charity makes his dig on O'Rourke during the summer seem even more snide
I'll reiterate the point very well made earlier. How transparent is the gaa on salaries paid to the ex player cosy club? And how many wages at what level are being paid by cp? I'd imagine These may already be in the gaa annual reports etc.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 03, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
While an interesting article I find it ironic that he has a go at the GPA for commercial opportunities, how much has the same Joe Brolly made from his association with the GAA?
Nothing. Gives his RTE and other media fees to charity.
Does he really? That would be impressive!
Yeah he doesn't take fees for any Club appearances or anything like that.
In fairness he's a barrister so the fee he gets from RTE is probably not a huge deal to him.
Whatever about his comments on TV I think he is a genuinely decent altruistic person who's just a bit of a cocky b**tard.
So he does make money from RTE, his public personae certainly doesn't detract from his law business either I would imagine.
Yes his altruism is to be admired but it always seems to be about him. If I wasn't already a registered organ donor and a current platelet donor he would actually put me off registering. Any donation to me is a very personal choice and should be motivated intrinsically.
I think a lot of the law fraternity look down on such dirty common things such as tv punditry!
from recollection Joe clocked up approx. £350,000 in fees about two years ago.
he isn't short of a few bob and he does a heck of a lot for charade
would love to see the gpa taking him on. it would be funny!
slick Joe Brolly up against the bully boy mentality of the gpa (gpa hierarchy sending him hate mail with some of it in joindy up writing!!)
:)
Predictive text can be a bitch!
Lol
Not this time
Charadee !!
Missed out the second 'e' !!
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 03, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 03, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
what salary are we currently paying CEO Dessie would anyone know?
Ah here now, you can't be going and asking that, its market sensitive information.
How exactly is it market sensitive information? What would be the negative consequences for the GPA and the GAA if everyone knew how much Dessie was carrying home? The only one it has potential to have negative consequences for is Dessie.
Overall I call big hairy bollox on the notion of it being commercially sensitive marker information - that's the standard line when someone is getting paid way over the odds for a handy number and claiming stupid loadsamoney expenses - basically it's a case of Dessie not wanting everyone to know just how much he is coining in in terms of his wage packet, alongside the junkets and the expenses.
Feck it I'm almost tempted to set up a Gaelic Club Players Association, shout and moan about Croke Park for a bit about them being useless,so I can get bought off to go inside the tent and end up with my own little GAA kingdom and a tasty salary - of course I'll have some of the ordinary decent lads do a bit of charity work (that they would probably be doing anyway) so that I can use that as an excuse if anyone complains about me.
You left out the bit where you'd 'look after' yer pals in yer clique with this stash of cash !!
It's well known that Brolly won't accept cash for club events even though he does them nearly every single week.
I think the most alarming thing about this whole thing is how sensitive the Meath lads have become. There was a time when being called a "Meath f**ker" was a badge of honour for them!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 03, 2014, 11:48:56 PM
I think the most alarming thing about this whole thing is how sensitive the Meath lads have become. There was a time when being called a "Meath f**ker" was a badge of honour for them!
sure football has gone as soft as feck now - lads diving, whinging and looking to get substituted even for mild injuries.
looks like hurling is following suit.
We're still ruthless, merciless and brutal, but in a more sensitive way.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 03, 2014, 11:48:56 PM
I think the most alarming thing about this whole thing is how sensitive the Meath lads have become. There was a time when being called a "Meath f**ker" was a badge of honour for them!
Being called a "Meath funker" was never a badge of honour for us.
I think a lot of the criticism of the GPA is down to pure begrudgery. They're getting something that I don't get, didn't get, missed out on, etc, etc.
Summed up in one of Joe's conclusions towards the end of his column:
This drift towards capitalism and the creation of an elite game has resulted in the club members and club players which make up 99.9% of the GAA being screwed
Which is absolute nonsense!
Club games have been messed about in every county for at least 40 years. Sometimes because the intercounty team have done very well and/or the county board bend over backwards at every request by the intercounty manager, and more often because of incompetence in fixture scheduling. But whether the GPA existed or didnt, would have absolutely no impact on the club player or member or fixtures, etc.
The GPA is irrelevant to the "ordinary" club player or member. For me as an ordinary club member and trainer of an underage team, the fact that intercounty players are generally getting (even) better looked after now and making a few bob from endorsements doesn't benefit me one iota. But it doesn't cost me anything either, so I said Good Luck to them. But for others, it just seems to sicken their hole. And those begrudgers are great at making plenty of noise.
its just another golden circle in the land of golden circles
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 03, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
It's well known that Brolly won't accept cash for club events even though he does them nearly every single week.
Maybe so but I seriously doubt the suggestions made here that Brolly donates his RTE money to charity. I think he would have mentioned it in the article if he did. While he seems to be a charitable soul he also likes to advertise the fact as the article proves.
Quote from: Hound on November 04, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
I think a lot of the criticism of the GPA is down to pure begrudgery. They're getting something that I don't get, didn't get, missed out on, etc, etc.
Summed up in one of Joe's conclusions towards the end of his column:
This drift towards capitalism and the creation of an elite game has resulted in the club members and club players which make up 99.9% of the GAA being screwed
Which is absolute nonsense!
Club games have been messed about in every county for at least 40 years. Sometimes because the intercounty team have done very well and/or the county board bend over backwards at every request by the intercounty manager, and more often because of incompetence in fixture scheduling. But whether the GPA existed or didnt, would have absolutely no impact on the club player or member or fixtures, etc.
The GPA is irrelevant to the "ordinary" club player or member. For me as an ordinary club member and trainer of an underage team, the fact that intercounty players are generally getting (even) better looked after now and making a few bob from endorsements doesn't benefit me one iota. But it doesn't cost me anything either, so I said Good Luck to them. But for others, it just seems to sicken their hole. And those begrudgers are great at making plenty of noise.
Hound - you're breaking another of the golden rules of the GAAboard - You must at all times criticise the GPA and automatically oppose anything they say or do ;D
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on November 04, 2014, 05:24:52 PM
Maybe so but I seriously doubt the suggestions made here that Brolly donates his RTE money to charity. I think he would have mentioned it in the article if he did. While he seems to be a charitable soul he also likes to advertise the fact as the article proves.
Some personality types wouldn't feel the need to bumm and blow about it.
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Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on November 04, 2014, 05:24:52 PM
Maybe so but I seriously doubt the suggestions made here that Brolly donates his RTE money to charity. I think he would have mentioned it in the article if he did. While he seems to be a charitable soul he also likes to advertise the fact as the article proves.
Some personality types wouldn't feel the need to bumm and blow about it.
Earning money and choosing to donate it is not the same thing as amateurism.
Damned if I know why we're talking about Brolly's personal finances. It's got no bearing on the validity or otherwise of the points he makes.
I can't believe we're questioning the altruistic credentials of the man who donated an organ.
Agree Eamonn. This is not about brolly.
This is about the
-lack of transparency on GPA finance and operations,
-lack of info on GPA projects and results,
-lack of transparency on the GPA awards - and scholarships plus the recipients and award criteria/reasons ( although for players it seems ex players are scholarship recipients also - leading to suggestions of 'jobs for the boys/clique')
The GPA stands for intercounty players, those that are members.
As we have learned from successive governments in this country and the jobs for the boys methods they employ- we need to have transparency to ensure there is no corrupt practices and in doing so eradicate most begrudgery!
Do we have transparency on the gaa's finances?
George Orwell is alive and well.
Quote from: rrhf on November 04, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
George Orwell is alive and well.
All star nominee ??
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 04, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Agree Eamonn. This is not about brolly.
This is about the
-lack of transparency on GPA finance and operations,
-lack of info on GPA projects and results,
-lack of transparency on the GPA awards - and scholarships plus the recipients and award criteria/reasons ( although for players it seems ex players are scholarship recipients also - leading to suggestions of 'jobs for the boys/clique')
The GPA stands for intercounty players, those that are members.
As we have learned from successive governments in this country and the jobs for the boys methods they employ- we need to have transparency to ensure there is no corrupt practices and in doing so eradicate most begrudgery!
Exactly - I don't have any real issue with the GPA looking after intercounty players (I'd prefer if they were doing something about all players) but the fact that there is such a complete lack of transparency about their operations when there is stories about annual junkets to New York is a massive worry.
We've seen in the Irish charity sector folk who have no problem paying themselves ridiculous salaries - it would be a shame if the GAA became infected with the same sort of mindset
There's no mention of any financial records anywhere on the GPA site.
A change of mind for Donal Óg, maybe because he's happy with his lot now!
From Hoganstand;
Cusack no longer in favour of professionalism
06 November 2014
Donal Og Cusack on the set of The Sunday Game
GPA chairman Donal Og Cusack is glad the GAA hasn't turned professional.
Whereas he once favoured a professional game, the former Cork hurling goalkeeper says his views on the matter have changed with the passing of time. Cusack was speaking at a discussion on 'Amateur Ethos in a Professional Game' at the 2014 Web Summit in the RDS yesterday.
"When I was a younger man, 19, 20, I would have loved to have been paid for playing my game," he admitted.
"But the more I went through the career, and now when I'm looking back, I'm happy I wasn't a professional. I think it's actually a more wholesome model that we have in the Association.
"The danger with it for me — and it was interesting to hear experienced commentators this week in Ireland speaking about the inevitability about the game going professional which I would disagree with — and the concern I would have is you take a young kid form Dublin, Monaghan, Cork or wherever, and you put him into a professional set-up, we all know that the lifespan of professional people is shortening, it's the same in our games.
"He'd maybe make a full-time salary out of it but then when he gets injured or is finished playing or is no more good to the team he's playing with, he's dropped back out of that system and hasn't had the life experience that the current inter-county player gets."
Instead of embracing professionalism, Cusack feels the GAA should concentrate on guiding players in their work careers.
"I think there's a huge benefit to the Association in that if players are watching the dual career model, they'll go back into their communities, back in to their clubs, stronger, more rounded people," he continued.
"That's good for the Association and I'd suggest good for the country as well."
And there's the problem with the discussion on this board, it doesn't matter what the GPA do or say some will find a problem with it even when their objection stretches logic well beyond breaking point.
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
And there's the problem with the discussion on this board, it doesn't matter what the GPA do or say some will find a problem with it even when their objection stretches logic well beyond breaking point.
;D See my piece at top of page about the GAABoard Golden Rule
Rule 1(a)(ii) - Donal Og Cusack is to be castigated at every opportunity and doubly so if he says anything we agree with. ::)
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
And there's the problem with the discussion on this board, it doesn't matter what the GPA do or say some will find a problem with it even when their objection stretches logic well beyond breaking point.
Just out of interest and because I dont want to read back through the whole thread, but which objections did people raise stretch logic beyond breaking point?
Just read the last two before my post Benny as classic examples of taking the most negative view of a GPA comment. For years the GPA are castigated high up and low down around here for wanting a pro GAA. Now one of their most high profile members says he doesn't want a professional GAA and rather than accept that we have one guy speculating if it's because he has been sorted (whatever that means) and another questioning the timing (which he would have no doubt done regardless of when he said it).
I know what you mean Zulu. I just think Óg has blotted his copybook with a lot of people based on his past utterances.
Anyway, I welcome this statement. I think it's certainly a positive development for one of the leading advocates of pay for play saying he is against professionalism.
His timing may well be because of the other rumpus, but so what? It's a good news story.
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Just read the last two before my post Benny as classic examples of taking the most negative view of a GPA comment. For years the GPA are castigated high up and low down around here for wanting a pro GAA. Now one of their most high profile members says he doesn't want a professional GAA and rather than accept that we have one guy speculating if it's because he has been sorted (whatever that means) and another questioning the timing (which he would have no doubt done regardless of when he said it).
I would have read that as an objection about an individual rather than stretched logic regarding GPA on here as a whole!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 06, 2014, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Just read the last two before my post Benny as classic examples of taking the most negative view of a GPA comment. For years the GPA are castigated high up and low down around here for wanting a pro GAA. Now one of their most high profile members says he doesn't want a professional GAA and rather than accept that we have one guy speculating if it's because he has been sorted (whatever that means) and another questioning the timing (which he would have no doubt done regardless of when he said it).
I would have read that as an objection about an individual rather than stretched logic regarding GPA on here as a whole!
That was pretty much my thinking.
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Good post ck
+1 to all that
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
Who are you talking about here?
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
no real argument as you agree with my call for transparency on GAA and GPA
however the bit in bold.
I refer you to human nature, and politicians/government.
Irish water, banks, promisory notes etc etc etc
you place trust in people to often find out later that this trust was misplaced.
opening up the books and greater transparency on all aspects would ensure there is proper understanding and if anything was not good enough, then it would be pointed out.
yes lunatics and whingers might continually whinge. but a procedural vehicle (though county boards) to lodge questions, complaints, ideas etc should be created. that would stop any diluge of whinges and silliness from having to be dealt with. just the pertinent correct questions/requests for info etc.
I know that imo the GAA are spending way too much money on a certain thing. this should be addressed. We have a few good guys doing their best to run croke park , but that this expense is happening shows there is a lacking of ability/knowledge/quality in this particular area.
imo
I only know about it as the vendor disclosed certain information to me as he was trying to sell me something.
greater transparency would really help out the GAA - and US - as we are the GAA and it is our money. This would actually help those in Croke park/HQ imo!
transparency would do the same for GPA. assist rather than inhibit.
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
You are clearly a big fan of the current GPA structure where a self appointed body is allowed to self fundraise, so they can self fund, all in the name of elite players. Of course it's the 10% minority of players that are looked after, are you suggesting otherwise?
The 90% playing majority have their fixtures abandoned during summer months, with not a sinner to speak up for them, meanwhile the "GAA" stand idly by. The current GPA/County dominated season is as far removed from the ethos of the GAA as it gets.
Also to address your point about wouldn't it be great if other bodies self funded. What a mess of an organisation we would have if everyone ran around fundraising for themselves!
Time for change!
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 03:32:10 PM
You are clearly a big fan of the current GPA structure where a self appointed body is allowed to self fundraise, so they can self fund, all in the name of elite players. Of course it's the 10% minority of players that are looked after, are you suggesting otherwise?
The 90% playing majority have their fixtures abandoned during summer months, with not a sinner to speak up for them, meanwhile the "GAA" stand idly by. The current GPA/County dominated season is as far removed from the ethos of the GAA as it gets.
Also to address your point about wouldn't it be great if other bodies self funded. What a mess of an organisation we would have if everyone ran around fundraising for themselves!
Time for change!
Nothing like a good rant eh?
So what are the changes you want then?
Get rid of International Rules.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
no real argument as you agree with my call for transparency on GAA and GPA
however the bit in bold.
I refer you to human nature, and politicians/government.
Irish water, banks, promisory notes etc etc etc
you place trust in people to often find out later that this trust was misplaced.
opening up the books and greater transparency on all aspects would ensure there is proper understanding and if anything was not good enough, then it would be pointed out.
yes lunatics and whingers might continually whinge. but a procedural vehicle (though county boards) to lodge questions, complaints, ideas etc should be created. that would stop any diluge of whinges and silliness from having to be dealt with. just the pertinent correct questions/requests for info etc.
I know that imo the GAA are spending way too much money on a certain thing. this should be addressed. We have a few good guys doing their best to run croke park , but that this expense is happening shows there is a lacking of ability/knowledge/quality in this particular area.
imo
I only know about it as the vendor disclosed certain information to me as he was trying to sell me something.
greater transparency would really help out the GAA - and US - as we are the GAA and it is our money. This would actually help those in Croke park/HQ imo!
transparency would do the same for GPA. assist rather than inhibit.
Fair enough and if they decide to do that great but I don't think it's a major issue. If transparency is your only issue with the GPA then we have little to disagree about, if they do as you ask I'd be fine with to but I'm happy the GAA and GPA have implemented the correct checks and balances to avoid major misuse of GAA money.
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
You are clearly a big fan of the current GPA structure where a self appointed body is allowed to self fundraise, so they can self fund, all in the name of elite players. Of course it's the 10% minority of players that are looked after, are you suggesting otherwise?
The 90% playing majority have their fixtures abandoned during summer months, with not a sinner to speak up for them, meanwhile the "GAA" stand idly by. The current GPA/County dominated season is as far removed from the ethos of the GAA as it gets.
Also to address your point about wouldn't it be great if other bodies self funded. What a mess of an organisation we would have if everyone ran around fundraising for themselves!
Time for change!
Not surprising a GPA basher claims something that is unsupported by facts, let me make this clear, again!!! I'm not a supporter of the GPA but I want GAA players supported and I see little in what the GPA are doing or trying to do as anything to be getting worried about. The scaremongers like ML have gone from telling us they are stealthy trying to get a professional GAA to now implying they are engaging in some kind of financial high jinks or is he just worried they are overspending GAA money on stationary?
Can you explain how they are 'self appointed'? And while you're at it can you explain who will fund a GPA representing very player and what they can do and how they can implement change for every club player. Further enlighten me on whether they should represent every club player in Ireland, I'm presuming yes, as to do otherwise would be elitist. Are the GPA, like ML suggested, just to be a shadow fixtures committee who will kick up a fuss if the junior B hurling championship isn't getting played on time? Or should their brief be more, should they help with depression, employment and education for all players, if so how can this be funded and should the the club player who only plays if their isn't a clash with soccer or some other sport get to avail of all of this?
You ignored my question asking for evidence to back up your previous claims but maybe you could map out this utopian future you see because if it can be done I'll be your biggest supporter?
The big issue that I have with the GPA is the whole club 'v' county play thing
For example, in the 90's the GPA pushed for more championship games that lead to the knockout series that inturn screwed up the majority of the club players, by having their season condensed.
The other thing that pisses me off about the GPA is their arrogance and stupidity. I mean, in the history of unions, has there ever been an example where the union started out by setting a policy that would seriously restrict their membership, resulting in a reduction of bargaining power. Unions were designed to give the masses collective power against the elite ruling classes. But the GPA .....? Stupid strategy !!
Imagine a union for all the players, setting out convention policies to the benefit of club and county players that they would like to get approved, then using the entire player base to influence family and friends to get the motions approved via club AGMs, county AGMs and congress. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that that was the way to properly influence the gaa, by shear numbers, not by stealth in committees run by "ruling classes"
If it came to a vote to go professional, how many clubs would support it? I bet a large number of clubs would vote against it, as it would hurt their player base. I bet a large number of club players would vote against it too.
The GPA believes thar big projects (hurling side shows at ND football games, where the game wasn't even held in the stadium, WTF), commercialisation of players is the be all and end all, where it should be focused on is the benefit of all players.
Club player union needs to be started soon.
No point complaining about GAA/GPA unless we an provide a better way forward, so here's mine.
- Two seasons per year 1. County season (Jan - June) 2. Club season (May - Oct)
- Scrap minor, U.21 and pre season competitions. Replace with u.19 which is played pre senior games
- If an U.19 player plays senior he is no longer eligible to play U.19
- GPA become elected body to represent all players. Voted in by all players. 1 GPA rep per county
- GAA issue fixtures template for every county for county and club seasons
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 07, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 06, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Hmmm, so posts in a GPA topic, referring to comments by one of the most prominent GPA members and referencing how his tune has changed because he is now (financially I presume) ok and one referring to the timing of it has nothing to do with the GPA and are simply comments on the individual? If that's true then if Seamus Moynihan had said it I presume the lads would have implied the exact same things about him and his motives?
You may be trying to pick these things out as they may suit your agenda but I don't see any clamor on here all rushing to say that!!
Two posters?
IMO I don't care what Donal og said then and now - as a country let alone sporting organisation , we can't sustain professional intercounty players.
The GPA and GAA need to become more transparent
- they could open up crime park, now they can open up their books!
Let's see the gaa expenditure , us the salaries , expenses and criteria for awards and who gets them ( club grants and scholarships)
I know you mean well Zulu - but it's obv you are a GPA follower and you look like you are trying to skew the discussion with minute petty non examples.
+1
I think the GPA were set up for the right reasons but it feels as if they are now an old boys club. Financing themselves, funding their own salaries, junkets to USA and looking after the cream of high profile players. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many, especially at a time when the average club player is almost being disowned by the GAA with a lack of respect for club fixtures.
I think every GAA person will agree that it's time to swing the pendulum back towards grass roots and club fixtures. The last people who have interest in club, grass roots and the ordinary club player is the GPA!
Lynchbhoy, first off I'm not a supporter of the GPA. I rarely bring them up here but I do defend them against the often ridiculous criticisms that pop up here. I support looking after our top players and feel it's unrealistic to try and look after everyone. However, lets have a quick look at the most recent 'criticisms' of the GPA posted here -
I've already dealt with the daft reaction to Cusack's comments. But now we have ck coming along throwing about generalities without a scrap of evidence or any balance to his post. Since when is a section of the GAA financing and funding themselves a bad thing, Jesus if only a few more did that we'd all be better off, how that's a bad thing is beyond me. Then we have the old 'junkets' to the US nonsense, when people want to give out about any trip it's termed a 'junket' the GAA president and many other high profile figures go on trips abroad are they all junkets with no purpose or good to them? Ck also claims they only look after the cream of the high profile players, can he prove this accusation I wonder? I'm waiting with baited breath.
You, lynchbhoy, have asked for more transparency and I've no problem with that but I also trust the GAA to run their affairs well and I'm quite sure no matter what money was spent on there'd be people giving out so as long as the bottom line is ok I'm happy to let the GAA look after the small print. I'm sure their are legalities at play here anyway.
CK, of course everyone would like to see the club player get better treatment but that's the role of the GAA and county boards. The GPA could only agitate for a clear defined goal that everyone agrees with and good luck with that.
no real argument as you agree with my call for transparency on GAA and GPA
however the bit in bold.
I refer you to human nature, and politicians/government.
Irish water, banks, promisory notes etc etc etc
you place trust in people to often find out later that this trust was misplaced.
opening up the books and greater transparency on all aspects would ensure there is proper understanding and if anything was not good enough, then it would be pointed out.
yes lunatics and whingers might continually whinge. but a procedural vehicle (though county boards) to lodge questions, complaints, ideas etc should be created. that would stop any diluge of whinges and silliness from having to be dealt with. just the pertinent correct questions/requests for info etc.
I know that imo the GAA are spending way too much money on a certain thing. this should be addressed. We have a few good guys doing their best to run croke park , but that this expense is happening shows there is a lacking of ability/knowledge/quality in this particular area.
imo
I only know about it as the vendor disclosed certain information to me as he was trying to sell me something.
greater transparency would really help out the GAA - and US - as we are the GAA and it is our money. This would actually help those in Croke park/HQ imo!
transparency would do the same for GPA. assist rather than inhibit.
Fair enough and if they decide to do that great but I don't think it's a major issue. If transparency is your only issue with the GPA then we have little to disagree about, if they do as you ask I'd be fine with to but I'm happy the GAA and GPA have implemented the correct checks and balances to avoid major misuse of GAA money.
Mostly agree with you .
Just though -
1. Not enough transparency for us to make informed decisions or opinions on that last bit
2. From the bit I know I sadly believe it's not as efficient or economical as it should be
I know they have the best intentions but that's just not good enough
I believe there should be a lot more done with regard to resolving fixtures conundrum and policies to cover club players
IMO there isn't enough money for any level of professionalism
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
No point complaining about GAA/GPA unless we an provide a better way forward, so here's mine.
- Two seasons per year 1. County season (Jan - June) 2. Club season (May - Oct)
- Scrap minor, U.21 and pre season competitions. Replace with u.19 which is played pre senior games
- If an U.19 player plays senior he is no longer eligible to play U.19
- GPA become elected body to represent all players. Voted in by all players. 1 GPA rep per county
- GAA issue fixtures template for every county for county and club seasons
Very simple, clear and concise. Would be the way to go.
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
No point complaining about GAA/GPA unless we an provide a better way forward, so here's mine.
- Two seasons per year 1. County season (Jan - June) 2. Club season (May - Oct)
- Scrap minor, U.21 and pre season competitions. Replace with u.19 which is played pre senior games
- If an U.19 player plays senior he is no longer eligible to play U.19
- GPA become elected body to represent all players. Voted in by all players. 1 GPA rep per county
- GAA issue fixtures template for every county for county and club seasons
That actually sounds like it has some merit CK.
What we need is someone in the GPA/GAA to sit down with that idea and flesh it out to see if it is feasible when you add in all the fixtures.
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
No point complaining about GAA/GPA unless we an provide a better way forward, so here's mine.
- Two seasons per year 1. County season (Jan - June) 2. Club season (May - Oct)
- Scrap minor, U.21 and pre season competitions. Replace with u.19 which is played pre senior games
- If an U.19 player plays senior he is no longer eligible to play U.19
- GPA become elected body to represent all players. Voted in by all players. 1 GPA rep per county
- GAA issue fixtures template for every county for county and club seasons
Does anyone really want the county season to end in June? It would be a complete non-starter in hurling. However, I can appreciate the rest of your manifesto, and the last one has to be the biggest no-brainer imaginable.
Quote from: deiseach on November 10, 2014, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
No point complaining about GAA/GPA unless we an provide a better way forward, so here's mine.
- Two seasons per year 1. County season (Jan - June) 2. Club season (May - Oct)
- Scrap minor, U.21 and pre season competitions. Replace with u.19 which is played pre senior games
- If an U.19 player plays senior he is no longer eligible to play U.19
- GPA become elected body to represent all players. Voted in by all players. 1 GPA rep per county
- GAA issue fixtures template for every county for county and club seasons
Does anyone really want the county season to end in June? It would be a complete non-starter in hurling. However, I can appreciate the rest of your manifesto, and the last one has to be the biggest no-brainer imaginable.
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i would prefer it finished in june rather than both it and the club season being dragged over the whole year with fixtures fired in everywhere
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 10, 2014, 02:08:15 PM
i would prefer it finished in june rather than both it and the club season being dragged over the whole year with fixtures fired in everywhere
That's fair enough. But it doesn't have to be an either/or choice.
Also, there will not be a master fixtures template that works for everyone, so unless you mean the County issues its own master list, then this is not going to be feasible.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 02:32:33 PM
Also, there will not be a master fixtures template that works for everyone, so unless you mean the County issues its own master list, then this is not going to be feasible.
Exactly, fixture list is not a central problem, its up to each individual county to sort out themselves.
I would find it bizarre if any county did not issue a master fixture list at the beginning of the season. That's child's play.
The big issue is sticking to it.
Dual players, inter-county managers, replays and county boards with no backbone, being the 4 biggest problems (in no particular order) I can think of to sticking with the master fixture list.
Doing away with replays would improve the lot of a club player in an instant. "Next score the winner" if still level after extra time (which would also be awesome entertainment and create huge controversy!)
Quote from: Hound on November 10, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Dual players, inter-county managers, replays and county boards with no backbone, being the 4 biggest problems (in no particular order) I can think of to sticking with the master fixture list.
The fifth is surely clubs refusing to play a game until Johnny is recovered from injury/back from suspension/home from holidays/sobered up from the stag/has the garden done so the wife will let him go to matches again.
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Doing away with replays would improve the lot of a club player in an instant. "Next score the winner" if still level after extra time (which would also be awesome entertainment and create huge controversy!)
+1. Would be serious craic.
Quote from: five points on November 10, 2014, 03:34:43 PM
The fifth is surely clubs refusing to play a game until Johnny is recovered from injury/back from suspension/home from holidays/sobered up from the stag/has the garden done so the wife will let him go to matches again.
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and of course can't play any Club championship games in June or July till all the Students come back from the US.
GPA have contacted all their members to compile a list of the things they have done for them over the past few years - to answer brolly's article last week.
Will this list be exhaustive? Brolly could be in real trouble here.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 15, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
GPA have contacted all their members to compile a list of the things they have done for them over the past few years - to answer brolly's article last week.
This all feels like a really bad dose of handbags.
Quote from: muppet on November 16, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 15, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
GPA have contacted all their members to compile a list of the things they have done for them over the past few years - to answer brolly's article last week.
This all feels like a really bad dose of handbags.
Apparently there are a lot of good things that the GPA have done for players and ex players.
So they want to create a list of these to demonstrate that the GPA re doing good and valid work.
I know of a couple of instances where they have done great things for ex players
but it still doesn't and wont go far enough for most people - folk want transparency. they want to know selection criteria on how certain players get awards. There is help available to current and former players through the GPA but how to obtain this is lacks clarity or any procedure on how to contact GPA, or what GPA can do for current/former players and what is available to them.
You don't need a PR company to do it either. just send around an email with info to every county board and every captain or contact in a county team. Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
Surely the GPA would have a list of what they have done for players? Why the need for a whole song and dance? Their PR department must me run by 6th formers
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 16, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 15, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
GPA have contacted all their members to compile a list of the things they have done for them over the past few years - to answer brolly's article last week.
This all feels like a really bad dose of handbags.
Apparently there are a lot of good things that the GPA have done for players and ex players.
So they want to create a list of these to demonstrate that the GPA re doing good and valid work.
I know of a couple of instances where they have done great things for ex players
but it still doesn't and wont go far enough for most people - folk want transparency. they want to know selection criteria on how certain players get awards. There is help available to current and former players through the GPA but how to obtain this is lacks clarity or any procedure on how to contact GPA, or what GPA can do for current/former players and what is available to them.
You don't need a PR company to do it either. just send around an email with info to every county board and every captain or contact in a county team. Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
If they produce a list of the good things they have done for players (current and ex), we may go down the road and ask every county board, every club, every GAA supporter/sponsor who has helped out a player be it with work, scholarships, coaching jobs, support, help etc etc. It would be an extremely long list.
The GPA haven't invented the wheel but they seem to have convinced themselves they have in this area.
I see GPA bashing is back in vogue.
I'm surprised ye're not all attacking the Intl rules this week ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
I see GPA bashing is back in vogue.
I'm surprised ye're not all attacking the Intl rules this week ::)
What does that even mean?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
I see GPA bashing is back in vogue.
I'm surprised ye're not all attacking the Intl rules this week ::)
In my defence, I forgot it was on.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
Its gas that you can put up any old nonsense on the interweb, and people will lap it up.
Are you making this up yourself lynchbhoy or it it just you being gullible enough to believe nonsense spouted to you?
Please list the counties involved where GPA members don't know who in the GPA they can contact?
Because every member in every county is given full and comprehensive information on this.
Jesus, we should be sending our biggest, toughest referee.
Was David Coldrick not available?
Quote from: Hound on November 19, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
Its gas that you can put up any old nonsense on the interweb, and people will lap it up.
Are you making this up yourself lynchbhoy or it it just you being gullible enough to believe nonsense spouted to you?
Please list the counties involved where GPA members don't know who in the GPA they can contact?
Because every member in every county is given full and comprehensive information on this.
Doesn't every county squad have a GPA rep?
Quote from: Hound on November 19, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
Its gas that you can put up any old nonsense on the interweb, and people will lap it up.
Are you making this up yourself lynchbhoy or it it just you being gullible enough to believe nonsense spouted to you?
Please list the counties involved where GPA members don't know who in the GPA they can contact?
Because every member in every county is given full and comprehensive information on this.
What are the criteria for becoming a member?? If you're part of a panel for the Jan competitions, is that enough? Or does it have to be league / championship??
Quote from: Hound on November 19, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Ive been told that lads from certain counties don't and wont contact the GPA for help as they have no idea they can, who to contact or what they can do for them!!
Its gas that you can put up any old nonsense on the interweb, and people will lap it up.
Are you making this up yourself lynchbhoy or it it just you being gullible enough to believe nonsense spouted to you?
Please list the counties involved where GPA members don't know who in the GPA they can contact?
Because every member in every county is given full and comprehensive information on this.
conversely put up the counties that know how to contact the GAP and have!
my source was a former intercounty player who has availed of the services of the GPA - and what he availed of was top drawer.
he contended though that he was lucky as he had played often against Dublin and knew how to get in contact with Dessie.
otherwise he hadn't a clue.
Chap played in an All Ireland final. Was a fairly accomplished and respected player. Decent guy too and not a bulls*ter - so I would believe what he says.
you can believe what you like. I know this guy isn't spinning any lie - he spoke in glowing terms of the GPA and what they offered, but believed they PR was lacking (the PR on how services provided and how to contact GPS- not the self pr from some).
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Quote from: Zulu on November 19, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 19, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 19, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!
Sure they are too busy in NYC on "fundraising trips" to pay for their salaries, no time to be promoting themselves!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 19, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 19, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!
Lynchboy. Every county panel has a GPA rep elected or nominated by the players. Should your mate not just of spoken to his rep?
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on November 25, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 19, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 19, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!
Lynchboy. Every county panel has a GPA rep elected or nominated by the players. Would your mate not just of went to his rep?
Straight red for that abomination ;D
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on November 25, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 19, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 19, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.
Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!
Lynchboy. Every county panel has a GPA rep elected or nominated by the players. Should your mate not just of spoken to his rep?
ex county player. he had no idea who to call.
it was he who told me that other lads in other counties (current players) he had spoken to also - didn't know who to call. I don't think all counties have gpa reps (eg I doubt if tyrone do - mickey harte prob wouldn't allow it!! though maybe they do)
don't shoot the messenger here.
this guy was pro GPA as they helped him, so its not as if he was trying to slate them. I think he was voicing constructive criticism.
Benny Coulter in the Star today - says he wouldn't know who the GPA rep was in the Down dressing room and it was never really a topic that came up or bothered them.
For the record he says he was against them at the start but has warmed to it and they have done some good work.
http://gaelicplayers.com/WhatsHappening/LatestNews/TabId/86/ArtMID/421/ArticleID/365/Gaelic-Players-Association---Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx
Their not hard to get a rise out of.
Complete cop out on the club fixtures!
Yup and the banking crisis another area they 'could be doing more' ::)
Quote from: Zulu on December 13, 2014, 09:18:34 PM
Yup and the banking crisis another area they 'could be doing more' ::)
:D :D ;D
I have just read the full Q&A text. It could all be summerised by just saying "it's all about the money"
They come across as disingenuous and patronising when they hide behind issues like unemployment and mental health.
How much can county players get for nothing. That's what's its all about.
Quote from: Zulu on December 13, 2014, 09:18:34 PM
Yup and the banking crisis another area they 'could be doing more' ::)
Now that would be just stupid.
Quote from: ck on December 13, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
I have just read the full Q&A text. It could all be summerised by just saying "it's all about the money"
They come across as disingenuous and patronising when they hide behind issues like unemployment and mental health.
How much can county players get for nothing. That's what's its all about.
What do county players get for nothing?
I was expecting a bit more of a factual listing!
Way too generic to really address the concerns that people have posed at the GPA .
Such as more info in some of the services used by ex county players ( eg the great ones utilized by my pal weren't even mentioned)
Criteria for how people got whatever service and costs etc
No salary listings either.
Though I'd not like mine to be made public- but most people in 'public' jobs have their salary details known for reasons of transparency ....
Nice bit of reading but the GPA missed a great chance to properly pr themselves in a good light to make themselves untouchable !
Quote from: Zulu on December 13, 2014, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: ck on December 13, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
I have just read the full Q&A text. It could all be summerised by just saying "it's all about the money"
They come across as disingenuous and patronising when they hide behind issues like unemployment and mental health.
How much can county players get for nothing. That's what's its all about.
What do county players get for nothing?
I presume that's a loaded question because you are saying they put so much effort into the thing.
If you mean what do they get for no payment, then plenty.
Good informative piece from the GPA with lots of details.
2,100 current members of the GPA.
Money raised goes on the Player Development Programme (PDP), which includes career development supports, business start-up programme, scholarship advice, counselling services, cardiac screening, an enhanced injury scheme and hardship support.
Every county player received an appointment for cardiac screening.
In addition, 1,945 players have availed of elective PDP services over the past three years.
The GPA accounts are presented quarterly to the GAA for review.
The annual GPA accounts are audited and lodged with the Companies Registration Office.
GPA has 11 paid employees.
They did address the club fixtures problem, but only by stating the obvious that this has got absolutely nothing to do with the GPA and its up to clubs to demand more of their county boards in trying to fix the issue.
They confirmed that former county players can apply for support under the PDP. And they gave examples that they've helped former players with back-to-education support, career changes, personal counselling and support for medical procedures including knee and hip replacements where no private health insurance in place.
Begrudgers will always begrudge, but there's no doubt the GPA has been a very positive development for the GAA since its inception.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 13, 2014, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: ck on December 13, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
I have just read the full Q&A text. It could all be summerised by just saying "it's all about the money"
They come across as disingenuous and patronising when they hide behind issues like unemployment and mental health.
How much can county players get for nothing. That's what's its all about.
What do county players get for nothing?
Not a loaded question. According to ck all the GPA are about is getting free stuff for IC players so I'm wondering what they are already getting for free, can you tell me?
I presume that's a loaded question because you are saying they put so much effort into the thing.
If you mean what do they get for no payment, then plenty.
Gear, food, cars for some guys, career guidance, physio expenses, etc etc. I don't understand your point? Do you think they are not getting free stuff?
By the way, I have no problem with any of the above!
My point is the GPA aren't looking to get free stuff for IC players and to paint them as such is nonsense. Most of the things you've listed out have nothing to do with the GPA and as you correctly point out are fully justified.
Quote from: Zulu on December 15, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
My point is the GPA aren't looking to get free stuff for IC players and to paint them as such is nonsense. Most of the things you've listed out have nothing to do with the GPA and as you correctly point out are fully justified.
I wouldn't say that. I remember a time when you got soup and sandwiches after training and bought your own socks and togs. I would think the current advances in the way players are cared for is a direct result of the GPA involvement. This I would see as a positive development.
Don't know about that at all. I don't think we ever paid for our physio bills (club or county) and we got socks and togs at county level but no jerseys long before the GPA came along. It's only right and proper for the players to get what they are getting but I think things like gear and food were recognised as reasonable before the GPA were about. We're possibly going around in circles here but the point I was making was that the characterisation of the GPA by some here is way off the mark and unfair.
Quote from: Zulu on December 15, 2014, 01:56:08 PM
Don't know about that at all. I don't think we ever paid for our physio bills (club or county) and we got socks and togs at county level but no jerseys long before the GPA came along. It's only right and proper for the players to get what they are getting but I think things like gear and food were recognised as reasonable before the GPA were about. We're possibly going around in circles here but the point I was making was that the characterisation of the GPA by some here is way off the mark and unfair.
You were obviously later than me. And we certainly didn't get training gear, tracksuits, etc etc. I think the GPA were largely formed because these basics were criminally not available to a lot of counties.
I think the GPA was set up to advance the 'rights' and benefits for inter county players. I actually don't have any issue with that. So if people are saying the GPA is only interested in getting stuff for county players, I say 'so what?'.
I only get exercised when the P word is brought up.
GPA have hit the jackpot again.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gpas-pursuit-of-dollar-gets-quarter-of-a-million-reward-30848799.html
Does this mean all the Summer tourist players on the semi pro US circus will get better pay?
Padraig not happy with Colm -
To criticise the GPA for working too closely with the GAA is "ridiculous" according to GAA director general Páraic Duffy, because initiatives such as the Jim Madden Leadership programme are in both association's best interests.
Talking at the GPA's launch of the new programme yesterday Duffy responded to "criticism a few weeks ago" aimed towards the players' association, mainly via former Meath footballer Colm O'Rourke, because he asserts "anything that supports players is also important for us to be involved in".
The weemen are in on the act now.
Quote from: orangeman on December 19, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
Padraig not happy with Colm -
To criticise the GPA for working too closely with the GAA is "ridiculous" according to GAA director general Páraic Duffy, because initiatives such as the Jim Madden Leadership programme are in both association's best interests.
Talking at the GPA's launch of the new programme yesterday Duffy responded to "criticism a few weeks ago" aimed towards the players' association, mainly via former Meath footballer Colm O'Rourke, because he asserts "anything that supports players is also important for us to be involved in".
The GPA couldn't handle orourke obv!!
It's like a school kid not getting his own way so goes squealing to the teachers!!
;D
Colm not afraid to express himself as usual :
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-top-brass-silent-as-gpa-morphs-into-a-monster-34370569.html
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
People say the GPA have done great work in sorting out food after dinner, mileage rates, physio etc. Surely this is no big boast ?.
Surely there's plenty more things that need sorted out so that inter county players can lead some sort of normal existence and that club players can get a fair crack of the whip as well ?.
That's not paranoia, that's just common sense.
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
People say the GPA have done great work in sorting out food after dinner, mileage rates, physio etc. Surely this is no big boast ?.
Surely there's plenty more things that need sorted out so that inter county players can lead some sort of normal existence and that club players can get a fair crack of the whip as well ?.
In fairness I think that is a boast. When I was knocking around, we had to buy our own socks and togs! The County Secretary took jerseys off us after we finished a championship year, and subs tracksuits were all shared and reused. Gear bags were a luxury. We got sandwiches in the GAA Centre if we were lucky, and a bowl of soup before a championship game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
I think you're on the money.
At some point we need to press reset, have a fully enforced shorter season (if you're a county team found training in club jersies in the defined break in a diffierent county you get a meaningful fine), a cap put on spending, a cap put on how often you can train collectively, train individually etc.
Quote from: heffo on January 18, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
I think you're on the money.
At some point we need to press reset, have a fully enforced shorter season (if you're a county team found training in club jersies in the defined break in a diffierent county you get a meaningful fine), a cap put on spending, a cap put on how often you can train collectively, train individually etc.
Probably but who is who is going to police that ?. Impossible and sure it doesn't happen anyways ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:44:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 18, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
I think you're on the money.
At some point we need to press reset, have a fully enforced shorter season (if you're a county team found training in club jersies in the defined break in a diffierent county you get a meaningful fine), a cap put on spending, a cap put on how often you can train collectively, train individually etc.
Probably blew is who is going to police that ?. Impossible and sure it doesn't happen anyways ! ;)
Easier said than done of course but it needs to happen
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
Spot on, AZ. That's been the agenda from day 1. It's also been policy to conceal this agenda, as inadvertently confirmed by Dessie Farrell himself.
The NCAA should be brought in.
They are ruthless.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Some of what he says is on the mark. If one of the biggest problems today is the preparation and dedication required to compete at Inter County, why is the GPA not trying to force the issue there? That is the ultimate player welfare topic.
I hate to say it, and I know I'll be accused of paranoia or whatever, but does it suit the GPA to have these crazy demands? If the demands continue to escalate, then the logical progression is that the GAA will have to pay players, which will lead to, in my opinion, a 'paid' A championship in Football and Hurling, of maybe 10-12 teams and 8 -10 teams respectively, and a feeder 'B' championship which will be unpaid.
If that is not the endgame as far as they are concerned, then why not attack these concerns of commitment. Even their proposal for the championship restructuring were aimed at increasing the number of games most teams played.
100% agree
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
People say the GPA have done great work in sorting out food after dinner, mileage rates, physio etc. Surely this is no big boast ?.
Surely there's plenty more things that need sorted out so that inter county players can lead some sort of normal existence and that club players can get a fair crack of the whip as well ?.
In fairness I think that is a boast. When I was knocking around, we had to buy our own socks and togs! The County Secretary took jerseys off us after we finished a championship year, and subs tracksuits were all shared and reused. Gear bags were a luxury. We got sandwiches in the GAA Centre if we were lucky, and a bowl of soup before a championship game.
Yep, if the GAA had looked after players properly, there would never have been any need for the GPA.
O'Rourke lets himself down by having a go at the mental health and addiction services that the GPA help players out with.
Paranoia about the GPA still alive and well round here I see.
Will it be the end of the GAA as we know it I wonder?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2016, 03:56:25 PM
Paranoia about the GPA still alive and well round here I see.
Will it be the end of the GAA as we know it I wonder?
What is the GAA as we know it, now? It's different to the GAA I used to know already :)
What is the GAA?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 18, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
What is the GAA?
A funding mechanism that exists to keep the GPA in the luxury to which it has become accustomed.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
People say the GPA have done great work in sorting out food after dinner, mileage rates, physio etc. Surely this is no big boast ?.
Surely there's plenty more things that need sorted out so that inter county players can lead some sort of normal existence and that club players can get a fair crack of the whip as well ?.
In fairness I think that is a boast. When I was knocking around, we had to buy our own socks and togs! The County Secretary took jerseys off us after we finished a championship year, and subs tracksuits were all shared and reused. Gear bags were a luxury. We got sandwiches in the GAA Centre if we were lucky, and a bowl of soup before a championship game.
(http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/9-12/L5sRt85WmD-2.png)
But you are right in that it suits some within the GPA to see the demands that are being made on players as that will push the 'pay' agenda. One problem I foresee is that certain top end clubs are training/committing as much as some lower level counties. Before anyone thinks I am going all Indiana, I'm not suggesting the likes of this years 4 AI club semi finalists are capable of beating, say a D 4 team but with the same level of funding they could. Should they be paid?
Quote from: Hardy on January 18, 2016, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 18, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
What is the GAA?
A funding mechanism that exists to keep the GPA in the luxury to which it has become accustomed.
+1
i would not be inclined to agree with Colm o Rourke on everything, but feel his is on the correct side of this one.
Why do the GPA go to NY raise money, how much do they raise and how much go to actual player welfare, if there is such a thing.
He had a good article on Sunday which pointed out that there are many organisations catering to people in trouble and that the GPa doesn't have any special expertise in this regard.
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
He had a good article on Sunday which pointed out that there are many organisations catering to people in trouble and that the GPa doesn't have any special expertise in this regard.
No, but the GPA are increasing awareness among the players and helping facilitate faster access for those in need to see the right people. O'Rourke painted that as a negative!
It was just another load of bluster, carrying on his anti-GPA agenda.
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
He had a good article on Sunday which pointed out that there are many organisations catering to people in trouble and that the GPa doesn't have any special expertise in this regard.
No, but the GPA are increasing awareness among the players and helping facilitate faster access for those in need to see the right people. O'Rourke painted that as a negative!
It was just another load of bluster, carrying on his anti-GPA agenda.
Indeed.
Only for that oul GPA ....sure the GAA world would be a great place altogether.
Quote from: joemamas on January 18, 2016, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 18, 2016, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 18, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
What is the GAA?
A funding mechanism that exists to keep the GPA in the luxury to which it has become accustomed.
+1
i would not be inclined to agree with Colm o Rourke on everything, but feel his is on the correct side of this one.
Why do the GPA go to NY raise money, how much do they raise and how much go to actual player welfare, if there is such a thing.
Junket first and foremost. Anyone have a breakdown or can it be requested from the GAA of the GPA's finances? Total from HQ, amount raised by GPA, outgoings on player welfare (amounts and to who), salary outgoings, junket outgoings, suits for junkets outgoings, fuel cards etc...?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
He had a good article on Sunday which pointed out that there are many organisations catering to people in trouble and that the GPa doesn't have any special expertise in this regard.
No, but the GPA are increasing awareness among the players and helping facilitate faster access for those in need to see the right people. O'Rourke painted that as a negative!
It was just another load of bluster, carrying on his anti-GPA agenda.
Indeed.
Only for that oul GPA ....sure the GAA world would be a great place altogether.
I don't think that's fair Rossfan. I think the GPA has done some real good for Inter County players. I said as much. Also, I don't think Colm was right to poke fun at the various supports the GPA provide.
O'Rourke's attack on the GPA is all too familiar, give them little credit for what they do and then blame them for not doing something that isn't their job -
"The GPA should be about looking after players' welfare in terms of fixtures, and burnout which would solve most causes of mental anguish and, of course, some individual hardship cases."
Really Colm, because I feel it's the GAA who should be dealing with fixtures (& by extension burnout) and I shudder to think of your faux-outrage if they organised a players strike to force the GAA to actually deal with something they should have dealt with years ago. What else can the GPA do to force the issue and how do you know that the haven't been discussing it with the GAA?
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.
I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
He had a good article on Sunday which pointed out that there are many organisations catering to people in trouble and that the GPa doesn't have any special expertise in this regard.
No, but the GPA are increasing awareness among the players and helping facilitate faster access for those in need to see the right people. O'Rourke painted that as a negative!
It was just another load of bluster, carrying on his anti-GPA agenda.
Indeed.
Only for that oul GPA ....sure the GAA world would be a great place altogether.
I don't think that's fair Rossfan. I think the GPA has done some real good for Inter County players. I said as much. Also, I don't think Colm was right to poke fun at the various supports the GPA provide.
Tongue somewhat in cheek and just a general ob on the anti GPA bias/hysteria of a number of GaaBoarders ;)
See how quickly some lad is off blathering about players getting paid.
Quote from: winghalfun on January 19, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.
I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
But it wouldn't impact on you one iota how much Sean Cavanaugh or Colm Cooper or whoever else was getting paid.
Just like how much Jonny Sexton gets paid doesn't impact on the rugby volunteer and how much soccer lads get paid doesn't impact on soccer volunteers
I'm dead against professionalism because we can't afford it.
I do find it interesting that so many people get exercised about the very much hypothetical potential of all players getting paid for playing intercounty, when there's a reality up and down the country of not only county managers getting paid, but club managers getting small fortunes. I know there's one Division 3 team in Dublin looking for a manager and offering a 5 figure sum. The numbers only go up in Divs 1 and 2. And either people don't care or they think it's acceptable
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on January 19, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.
I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
I know there's one Division 3 team in Dublin looking for a manager and offering a 5 figure sum.
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
I don't think that's fair Rossfan. I think the GPA has done some real good for Inter County players. I said as much. Also, I don't think Colm was right to poke fun at the various supports the GPA provide.
No one is saying that the GPA don't do good. The questions seems to be where their main focus seems to be.
Should it really be on mental health issues, gambling addiction, further education grants etc, when there are already programs and systems in place to assist people with those? If I had a mental health or a betting problem, I can ring Pieta House, Gamblers Anonymous, or The Samaritans in the morning. I don't need to be a member of the GPA to avail of their services.
If the GPA can fast track additional treatment for players, that is great, but surely issues relating to gaelic games & pitch related issues themselves should be their main focus? Fixture chaos, player burnout, the plight of club players, excessive demands made by dictatorial managers, the excessive numbers of severe injures, multiple cruciates, hip injuries etc being suffered by very young lads barely out of minor, inter county match scheduling and the crazy gaps between games.
These are all things that the GPA should be focusing in on. If they have time & money left over to address the other issues, fine, address them. But they shouldn't be their sole focus, not when there are so many things related to the games, the GAA season and the players themselves, that need fixing first.
O'Rourke is right about the funding the GPA get from the GAA. It compromises them and limits their willingness & their ability to get their hands dirty and tackle the things that need to be tackled.
GPa are not needed. I actually suspect that a club player body will form this year and become a very powerful force for change
Players are probably the last people to recognise the GPA for what it is. It sounds marvellous that it is concerned with player welfare issues but in reality it hasn't an impact for the majority of players. There isn't enough transparency about it's management structures, it's income and expenditure and Croke Park have bought their silence because it suits the growing commercialisation of Croke park itself.
If they were truly concerned about the players they would open to to club players as well, they would take a much stronger line on fixture planning and playing issues. O Rourke has their measure...
Quote from: heffo on January 19, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on January 19, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.
I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
I know there's one Division 3 team in Dublin looking for a manager and offering a 5 figure sum.
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
In fairness now that is some mileage claim. 150 miles, 3 days a week for 40 weeks at 70c a mile.
Quote from: heffo on January 19, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
Why? The only reason I can come up with for doing something so daft is that 'everyone else is at it', like how managers of middling Premier League teams would take a great thrill in playing Z teams in a cup competition because Alex Ferguson did it.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 20, 2016, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 19, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on January 19, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.
I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
I know there's one Division 3 team in Dublin looking for a manager and offering a 5 figure sum.
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
In fairness now that is some mileage claim. 150 miles, 3 days a week for 40 weeks at 70c a mile.
The guy is based in Dublin
Quote from: deiseach on January 20, 2016, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 19, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
Why? The only reason I can come up with for doing something so daft is that 'everyone else is at it', like how managers of middling Premier League teams would take a great thrill in playing Z teams in a cup competition because Alex Ferguson did it.
I'd imagine because they have the money and feel he's the man to get them promoted and everyone else is doing it.
So many clubs now can't/won't appoint internally as they aren't acceptable to the players. I know of one Ladies team in Dublin who won an Intermediate Championship a few years back and nearly won a Leinster - average enough bunch with one or two very good players. They ran the manager out at the end of the season as 'he'd taken them as far as he could go' even impartial observer would've said he was running a good operation. Same team are now playing Junior and two divisions lower.
Quote from: heffo on January 20, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 20, 2016, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 19, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
There is a division four team from North County Dublin paying a guy from the north who has achieved very little as a player, manager or coach - €12,500
Why? The only reason I can come up with for doing something so daft is that 'everyone else is at it', like how managers of middling Premier League teams would take a great thrill in playing Z teams in a cup competition because Alex Ferguson did it.
I'd imagine because they have the money and feel he's the man to get them promoted and everyone else is doing it.
So many clubs now can't/won't appoint internally as they aren't acceptable to the players. I know of one Ladies team in Dublin who won an Intermediate Championship a few years back and nearly won a Leinster - average enough bunch with one or two very good players. They ran the manager out at the end of the season as 'he'd taken them as far as he could go' even impartial observer would've said he was running a good operation. Same team are now playing Junior and two divisions lower.
That makes sense. Still mad, but makes sense.
In terms of O'Rourke I think he picked the wrong examples of to highlight what the GPA should and shouldn't be about. If they can promote mental health and addiction then fair play to them.
He is right in terms of they should really push on the demands on inter-county players which surely must go hand in hand with some of their personal issues. Players nowadays are isolated from socialising and other normal things for most of the year. That's hardly a good thing.
Then on top of this there are pressures to perform and fear of failure. They stem from demanding county managers, who will NEVER be criticised or mentioned by the GPA.
A huge overhaul is needed in terms of fixtures but for now wouldn't it be nice if things that are already in place were adhered to...the training ban is flouted and not once will anyone get called out on it. The GPA are the self-appointed watchdogs for the players so they need to make noise on such issues.
Also I see Paul Flynn coming out highlighting the good work. Paul Flynn of the GPA, of DCU scholarships, of the Dubs. Just doesn't really help the case when critics say it's an elitist organisation.
*By the way I am not against the GPA but I'd like more transparency and more bite in what they are doing*
In fairness Paul Flynn has just been elected an officer of the GPA, their secretary, so it's understandable he'd be out refuting the claims.
Oh I know AZ, but it doesn't help against that criticism. A lad from a smaller county arguing their case might have been an option. Conversely though his profile is needed. I was playing devil's advocate there a bit.
Paul Flynn got one of the GPA's scholarships, so he's hardly an unbiased observer on their activities.
Take a 19/20 year old lad from Longford/Tipp/Monaghan. Your family has a pub/Centra shop/farm that you work in now and, will probably take over some day. So the GPA's 20 odd scholarships (usually a Bsc in Sports Science, or a Masters in Finance in DCU) are of zero use to you. And even if they were, your family couldn't afford student accommodation in Dublin for 4 years, as you are one of 6 kids.
You are being pulled between your club and your inter county U21 and Senior teams. Your club can't set a schedule for the year, due to the inter county managers demands. You can't even plan a 2 week break in Benidorm & your older brother can't plan his wedding. When you broke into the Senior set up, you trained for 9 months of the year & lived like a monk for 9 months of the year, but you only had 2 actual games last year.
You can't go out and socialize with your mates and have the odd pint to blow off steam, because you'd get dropped off the panel if you did. You are only 20, but you have nagging pains in your knee and hip, from all the over training and excessive demands on your still developing body. Surgery for both, is on the horizon soon.
Take that lad and the thousands just like him, all over the country. Ask him what he feels the GPA contributes to the running of his sport? I'd say it would be a damm sight different to what the GPA mouth pieces in their cushy offices in Dublin say.
Quote from: Beffs on January 21, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
the GPA mouth pieces in their cushy offices in Dublin say.
Or as Reillers used to say 'the suits above in Croke Park"!!
How many lads from Carlow, Longford, Leitrim etc are involved in the GPA or benefit from their scholarships?
Lads, I'm far from a GPA defender, but it's not true to say they are not benefitting inter county players all over the country. Granted, the bigger counties might be getting more out of it, but the GPA has forced the GAA to at least look after some basic stuff for Inter County Players.
This is my first Google search result from 2013
QuoteLeitrim footballer Rob Lowe and former Fermanagh player Chris Breen have been granted GPA/DCU scholarship places on the Executive MBA Programme in DCU, widely recognised as the degree of choice for rising executives with ambitions to become leaders in the business world.
Kilkenny's Richie Hogan and Roscommon's David Keenan have also been awarded scholarships to complete Masters programmes in Business Management and Finance respectively, marking the first year in which the GPA/DCU Business School partnership has offered scholarships for postgraduate studies. All-Ireland finalist Rob Hennelly (Mayo) also received a full GPA scholarship for his Masters in Digital Marketing.
Lowe and Breen will bring to nine the tally of GAA players who have benefitted from the scholarship programme over the last four years. They will join current GPA/DCU Business School MBA scholars and All-Ireland medal winners, Denis Bastick (Dublin) and Jason Sherlock (Dublin) in undertaking a two-year, part-time MBA programme. Previous scholarship recipients include Patrick Quinn (Sligo), Michael Martin (Louth), Justin McNulty (Laois) and Colin Moran (Dublin).
Well said Colm O'Rourke. Just saying what most of the country are thinking!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2016, 04:25:56 PM
Lads, I'm far from a GPA defender, but it's not true to say they are not benefitting inter county players all over the country. Granted, the bigger counties might be getting more out of it, but the GPA has forced the GAA to at least look after some basic stuff for Inter County Players.
No one is denying that the GPA have done some good in the past, whether it is making sure that players now get proper meals after training and their expenses sorted properly. Ditto helping them out if they have a gambling/mental health issue. But that is no excuse for them to stand still and do nothing to address the important issues that affect the vast majority of players NOW....fixture chaos, player burn out, the excessive demands made by managers etc etc
Doling out a few scholarships, or assisting someone who feels suicidal is great work. No one is denying that. But that affects what percentage of the playing population....5%, 10%? I'd say it is even less than that. Their main focus should be on the things that affect the day to day playing lives of the majority of their members & not on a small %.
That is the problem that a lot of people have with the organization. When the GPA reps deflect all criticisms away from their organisation & keep on banging on about the good work that they do, as if that is the be all and the end all of their existence, it just shows how much they are missing the point. It also shows how utterly clueless they are about what their grass roots members and the general public think about them.
Quote from: Beffs on January 21, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2016, 04:25:56 PM
Lads, I'm far from a GPA defender, but it's not true to say they are not benefitting inter county players all over the country. Granted, the bigger counties might be getting more out of it, but the GPA has forced the GAA to at least look after some basic stuff for Inter County Players.
No one is denying that the GPA have done some good in the past, whether it is making sure that players now get proper meals after training and their expenses sorted properly. Ditto helping them out if they have a gambling/mental health issue. But that is no excuse for them to stand still and do nothing to address the important issues that the vast majority of players NOW....fixture chaos, player burn out, the excessive demands made by managers etc etc
Doling out a few scholarships, or assisting someone who feels suicidal is great work, no one is denying that. But that affects what percentage of the playing population....5%, 10%? I'd say it is even less than that. Their main focus should be on the things that affect the day to day playing lives of the majority of their members & not on a small %.
That is the problem that a lot of people have with the organization. When the GPA reps deflect all criticisms away from their organisation & keep on banging on about the good work that they do, as if that is the be all and the end all of their existence, it just shows how much they are missing the point. It also shows how utterly clueless they are about what their grass roots members and the general public think about them.
Yeah, agree with a lot of that. I just don't think it helps when we just pretend they've done nothing. Not you, per se, but it is something I've heard a few times. I do agree the biggest player welfare issue is this issue about the demands on an inter county player. So they should make that their biggest topic.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/shane-curran-blast-for-elite-gpa-as-players-left-without-voice-377634.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/shane-curran-blast-for-elite-gpa-as-players-left-without-voice-377634.html)
Former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran claims the GPA has left inter-county players "without a voice" and is compromised by GAA funding.
He offered no idea or opinion on how to improve anything.
Just another series of moans.
He runs down the latest Championship proposal but then says a lot of Counties shouldn't be in the Championship.
He'd remind you of a politician ::)
I would love Curran's campaign against the GPA to take off and that he'd start demanding a meeting with the GPA and they'd keep refusing. Then I could post, "Let them meet Cake".
I'd say cakes not far off the mark. The Young Turks at the gaa took the soup and have moved from being an aggressive force for change to being a highly expensive prize poodle.
Quote from: rrhf on January 23, 2016, 05:01:11 AM
I'd say cakes not far off the mark. The Young Turks at the gaa took the soup and have moved from being an aggressive force for change to being a highly expensive prize poodle.
It's gas that it seems half the people think the GPA-GAA deal is bad because it gives the GPA too power and half thinks its bad because it removes any power from the GPA!
The deal works for the GPA because it gives them a voice at the table and guaranteed funding. It works for the GAA because as long as the deal stands it removes all chances of professionalism
Well there are a number of professional GPA administrators and they are fundraising on the back of the wider GAA effort so I wouldnt be that happy. I rank them among a number of full time administrators in the GAA who are apparently unneccessary cost centres to manage a championship and a league where with all their undoubted combined expertises they cant draw up a satisfactory schedule and rule book.
Is it time to abolish the vast majority of so called GAA civil servants and start again?
Quote from: rrhf on January 23, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Well there are a number of professional GPA administrators and they are fundraising on the back of the wider GAA effort so I wouldnt be that happy. I rank them among a number of full time administrators in the GAA who are apparently unneccessary cost centres to manage a championship and a league where with all their undoubted combined expertises they cant draw up a satisfactory schedule and rule book.
Is it time to abolish the vast majority of so called GAA civil servants and start again?
Amen to that. :)
There are quite a few full time GAA employees who could be got rid of, and you wouldn't miss them
Especially in the games development area. I can name a few who never do any face to face coaching and I often wonder how they manage to get through each week doing so little
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
There are quite a few full time GAA employees who could be got rid of, and you wouldn't miss them
Especially in the games development area. I can name a few who never do any face to face coaching and I often wonder how they manage to get through each week doing so little
Care to name names?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2016, 04:59:15 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
There are quite a few full time GAA employees who could be got rid of, and you wouldn't miss them
Especially in the games development area. I can name a few who never do any face to face coaching and I often wonder how they manage to get through each week doing so little
Care to name names?
I won't.
But I deal with a few of them across a few counties
Colm hits the nail on the head, as usual.
The GPA have lost their focus.
For Example,
Internationally, they seem more interested in growing the GAA / hurling in the US, but are more interested in big grand gestures (Fenway / Notre Dame) rather than working with the grass roots who know what needs to be done (Need to get the GAA an NCAA recognized sport and get the GAA in Ireland / commercial partners to develop a sports scholarships business plan. The GAA would then take off in the US like laccross. And the really funny thing, laccross have a professional league, with an ESPN contract, so this would always have been the GPA's best route for pay.
At home, they complain about the stress of county footballers, and the level of commitment that is required, yet propose new structures that would increase the playing demands and squeeze the club game even more.
If I was in the GPA, I would start focusing on the club scene, that is where the real power lays.
If the club scene gets screwed even more, I'd expect a club Gaelic players to come into force, and if that ever happens, you'll have an association with a membership of 10's to 100's thousands, against a group of a couple hundred. Plus if a club GPA, ever got going and canvassed its members to boycott NFL games or championship games, then the current GPA influence would completely wane, because it's the punters to bring the moment into the game, not the county players.
They spend too much money on PR and flashy initiatives, and not enough on solving the real issues that are affecting the GAA
It's not the GPA's role to solve the " real issues facing the GAA".
What are the real issues?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2016, 10:19:53 AM
Colm hits the nail on the head, as usual.
Colm hit somebody's head with his elbow, as usual.
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 25, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
The GPA have lost their focus.
For Example,
Internationally, they seem more interested in growing the GAA / hurling in the US, but are more interested in big grand gestures (Fenway / Notre Dame) rather than working with the grass roots who know what needs to be done (Need to get the GAA an NCAA recognized sport and get the GAA in Ireland / commercial partners to develop a sports scholarships business plan. The GAA would then take off in the US like laccross. And the really funny thing, laccross have a professional league, with an ESPN contract, so this would always have been the GPA's best route for pay.
At home, they complain about the stress of county footballers, and the level of commitment that is required, yet propose new structures that would increase the playing demands and squeeze the club game even more.
If I was in the GPA, I would start focusing on the club scene, that is where the real power lays.
If the club scene gets screwed even more, I'd expect a club Gaelic players to come into force, and if that ever happens, you'll have an association with a membership of 10's to 100's thousands, against a group of a couple hundred. Plus if a club GPA, ever got going and canvassed its members to boycott NFL games or championship games, then the current GPA influence would completely wane, because it's the punters to bring the moment into the game, not the county players.
They spend too much money on PR and flashy initiatives, and not enough on solving the real issues that are affecting the GAA
The GPA are unashamedly only focused on the intercounty game, they don't give a toss about club players and if anything have sought to put forward plans to expand the intercounty game, marginalising the club players even more!
How many non County players have joined it or applied to?
That's like asking how many mechanics have applied to join the INMO.
Quote from: johnneycool on January 25, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 25, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
The GPA have lost their focus.
For Example,
Internationally, they seem more interested in growing the GAA / hurling in the US, but are more interested in big grand gestures (Fenway / Notre Dame) rather than working with the grass roots who know what needs to be done (Need to get the GAA an NCAA recognized sport and get the GAA in Ireland / commercial partners to develop a sports scholarships business plan. The GAA would then take off in the US like laccross. And the really funny thing, laccross have a professional league, with an ESPN contract, so this would always have been the GPA's best route for pay.
At home, they complain about the stress of county footballers, and the level of commitment that is required, yet propose new structures that would increase the playing demands and squeeze the club game even more.
If I was in the GPA, I would start focusing on the club scene, that is where the real power lays.
If the club scene gets screwed even more, I'd expect a club Gaelic players to come into force, and if that ever happens, you'll have an association with a membership of 10's to 100's thousands, against a group of a couple hundred. Plus if a club GPA, ever got going and canvassed its members to boycott NFL games or championship games, then the current GPA influence would completely wane, because it's the punters to bring the moment into the game, not the county players.
They spend too much money on PR and flashy initiatives, and not enough on solving the real issues that are affecting the GAA
The GPA are unashamedly only focused on the intercounty game, they don't give a toss about club players and if anything have sought to put forward plans to expand the intercounty game, marginalising the club players even more!
The biggest problem club players have is the current IC season and that is the format the GAA, not the GPA, have come up with. The clubs biggest ememy is themselves and their inaction, not the inter county players.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 25, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
That's like asking how many mechanics have applied to join the INMO.
County and non County players are all Gaelic Players.
Mechanics are not nurses.
I'd have expected better from you Croì :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 25, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
That's like asking how many mechanics have applied to join the INMO.
County and non County players are all Gaelic Players.
Mechanics are not nurses.
I'd have expected better from you Croì :-\
The GPA represents only county players and specifically excludes club players from membership. That's why its name is a misnomer and its mandating by the GAA to be the "players' representative body" is outrageous as it denies club players representation. It also puts their affairs in the hands of an organisation that works against their interests, given that any gains won for inter-county players are at the expense of all other members of the GAA, and especially club players in a zero sum resources/benefits game.
Quote from: Hardy on January 25, 2016, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 25, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
That's like asking how many mechanics have applied to join the INMO.
County and non County players are all Gaelic Players.
Mechanics are not nurses.
I'd have expected better from you Croì :-\
The GPA represents only county players and specifically excludes club players from membership. That's why its name is a misnomer and its mandating by the GAA to be the "players' representative body" is outrageous as it denies club players representation. It also puts their affairs in the hands of an organisation that works against their interests, given that any gains won for inter-county players are at the expense of all other members of the GAA, and especially club players in a zero sum resources/benefits game.
How's that now?
I'm always bemused by these calls for a GPA for club players, if such an organisation did exist then it would require a large number of employees and significant funding to address the numerous issues club players may have, not to mention dealing with 32 county boards. Providing club players with a proper season is largely what we should be doing but the GAA, the clubs themselves and most supporters won't make the changes necessary to allow that. No point complaining about what others are doing\not doing when you're (by that I mean the wider GAA) doing nothing yourself.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2016, 05:09:06 PM
How many non County players have joined it or applied to?
None. The GPA wasn't set up to address the concerns of every club player in the country. It was set up specifically for inter county players only. So giving them a hard time for not addressing the plight of the club player isn't really fair. They never claimed to be the voice of the club player in the first place.
Quote from: Beffs on January 25, 2016, 11:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2016, 05:09:06 PM
How many non County players have joined it or applied to?
None. The GPA wasn't set up to address the concerns of every club player in the country. It was set up specifically for inter county players only. So giving them a hard time for not addressing the plight of the club player isn't really fair. They never claimed to be the voice of the club player in the first place.
Tell me what is the difference in your eyes in terms of the way they should be treated within the gaa.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 25, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
That's like asking how many mechanics have applied to join the INMO.
County and non County players are all Gaelic Players.
Mechanics are not nurses.
I'd have expected better from you Croì :-\
Wasn't a dig Rossfan and Hardy has succinctly expanded on my point.
What do non County Club players actually want?
( as opposed to GAAboarders moaning about the ICGPA).
Noted Croì ;)
Non county club players would have several issues I imagine. Chief amongst them is a total disregard for their lives in terms of a planned fixture list. Club fixtures are completely at the behest of the county game, and as such a club player (including the county lads by the way) has no idea if/when he can even take a holiday during the year.
Club players are also facing increased demands in terms of preparation. Diet, nutrition, rest and recovery, strength and conditioning etc etc. It would be very useful to have a central body that could advise or help clubs in this area. A lot of clubs feel they should be doing S&C etc, but I'd say a good few of them haven't a clue, and are probably doing more harm than good. A players body that could provide guidance and advice there would be great.
A centralised club players body that could organise things like interview training, online courses etc etc would be helpful.
So off the top of my head I see 2 areas that could be set up immediately which would be of a meaningful help to club players, and 1 topic which is central to the GAA, at county and club level, but where the club voice is being completely ignored. The GAA says it has the club at its core, but it is being led around by the big revenue generator. It either needs to cut the ties between the club and county game entirely, or else start structuring the organisation in a way that benefits the most members, not just the ones involved in the county season.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
What do non County Club players actually want?
( as opposed to GAAboarders moaning about the ICGPA).
Noted Croì ;)
I'd suggest they want a defined club calendar where holidays and other milestones can be planned - not one drafted in January which everyone knows won't be adhered to.
A shorter IC season and less power for IC managers to effectively cancel the club championships until the IC season is over.
A kick in the ass for ineffective CCC's that can't run off Championships even when their IC team was knocked out months earlier.
So people want a better structure to the season but still want the provincial championships and have them linked to the All Ireland!! Many also want dual IC players and lads able to play U21 and senior IC. A perfect example of the 'club man' being the biggest problem.
Quote from: Zulu on January 26, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
So people want a better structure to the season but still want the provincial championships and have them linked to the All Ireland!! Many also want dual IC players and lads able to play U21 and senior IC. A perfect example of the 'club man' being the biggest problem.
Where are you drawing the conclusion for the second part from?
Someone in HQ should show leadership and present options for a condensed IC season, options where if you play U21, you don't play Senior or Sigerson until the conclusion of your involvement in that competition.
IC teams go back training in the autumn because in a lot of cases there is an outside manager getting paid by the week who would get less money in a shorter season so he's calling the shots.
The IC season is far too long and gaps between matches are too long.
We were asked a question about what a Club GPA could do. I provided 3 areas they could look at. I didn't mention any of the things you've said there, so not sure where you got that. Also, I'm pretty sure the 'club man' is not the biggest PROBLEM, he is the biggest VICTIM of the calendar problem.
For the record, I'm in favour of a player only playing in one grade (i.e. U21 v Senior). I'd scrap the Sigerson, or play it instead of the 3rd level Leagues in the winter. And I think dual IC players will look after itself, I don't think you need to legislate for it.
As regards the calendar, I think serious work could be done there, but the proposals I like are those which give defined periods. Not necessarily those which seem to want to increase the number of meaningless county games.
Basically what heffo said!
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
What do non County Club players actually want?
( as opposed to GAAboarders moaning about the ICGPA).
Noted Croì ;)
I'd suggest they want a defined club calendar where holidays and other milestones can be planned - not one drafted in January which everyone knows won't be adhered to.
A shorter IC season and less power for IC managers to effectively cancel the club championships until the IC season is over.
A kick in the ass for ineffective CCC's that can't run off Championships even when their IC team was knocked out months earlier.
All of the above are matters that can be resolved by the GAA with a bit of will and common sense.
Mind you most County Senior teams' seasons are ended by around 10th July so that's surely short enough for them to have county finals played before 1st October.
Inter County managers have no official powers - Co Boards accede to their requests to postpone Club games.
Restricting eligibilities, downgrading third level college games to being a nice diversion from studies, designated weekends one per month in May/June/July/Aug for Club championship games only, shorter time frame for IC Championships.....
Would be a start.
Of course the ICGPA can't do any of those things but don't let that stop the usual suspects from blaming them for everything.
I never said the existing GPA should do any of that. They have always said they are only interested in the county players' interests. That's fair enough.
I do think a club players body looking at some of the stuff I mentioned would be very useful.
I also think any proposal to restructure the season emanating from the body which is focussed on intercounty games and players is naturally going to focus almost exclusively on that aspect, and only consider the club side of things where it impinges on the county schedule.
I seriously think that unless the club is really put back in the centre, and the county game is reined in a bit in terms of demands on players, that the only sustainable solution is to just split the club and county scenes completely, and I think the GPA would support that.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
What do non County Club players actually want?
( as opposed to GAAboarders moaning about the ICGPA).
Noted Croì ;)
I'd suggest they want a defined club calendar where holidays and other milestones can be planned - not one drafted in January which everyone knows won't be adhered to.
A shorter IC season and less power for IC managers to effectively cancel the club championships until the IC season is over.
A kick in the ass for ineffective CCC's that can't run off Championships even when their IC team was knocked out months earlier.
All of the above are matters that can be resolved by the GAA with a bit of will and common sense.
Mind you most County Senior teams' seasons are ended by around 10th July so that's surely short enough for them to have county finals played before 1st October.
Inter County managers have no official powers - Co Boards accede to their requests to postpone Club games.
Restricting eligibilities, downgrading third level college games to being a nice diversion from studies, designated weekends one per month in May/June/July/Aug for Club championship games only, shorter time frame for IC Championships.....
Would be a start.
Of course the ICGPA can't do any of those things but don't let that stop the usual suspects from blaming them for everything.
I'm not blaming the GPA for not resolving the above - they're perfectly entitled to define the scope of what they're going to look after/concentrate on. As Az said, it's now taken as a given that IC players will get a baseline of services that they wouldn't have gotten pre-GPA.
I'm saying some group should be looking after the club player - whether that comes from Croke Park or a new group setup I don't know
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
What do non County Club players actually want?
( as opposed to GAAboarders moaning about the ICGPA).
Noted Croì ;)
I'd suggest they want a defined club calendar where holidays and other milestones can be planned - not one drafted in January which everyone knows won't be adhered to.
A shorter IC season and less power for IC managers to effectively cancel the club championships until the IC season is over.
A kick in the ass for ineffective CCC's that can't run off Championships even when their IC team was knocked out months earlier.
All of the above are matters that can be resolved by the GAA with a bit of will and common sense.
Mind you most County Senior teams' seasons are ended by around 10th July so that's surely short enough for them to have county finals played before 1st October.
Inter County managers have no official powers - Co Boards accede to their requests to postpone Club games.
Restricting eligibilities, downgrading third level college games to being a nice diversion from studies, designated weekends one per month in May/June/July/Aug for Club championship games only, shorter time frame for IC Championships.....
Would be a start.
Of course the ICGPA can't do any of those things but don't let that stop the usual suspects from blaming them for everything.
Rossfan, that's the strawiest looking man I ever saw. Why are you making up the suggestion that people are demanding that the GAA should be making things better for club players? YOU were the one who suggested club players should join the GPA. I pointed out to you that they were barred from membership.
For what it's worth, I don't think the GPA should exist. If any players need representation it's club players. But I don't think a players' representative association is the way to solve their problems. Everyone knows the problems. Heffo, AZ, et al have listed them clearly. If the players who are affected would use their democratic power to mandate the changes necessary, things could be fixed in a season. In practically every club, the players would hold a democratic majority if they chose to organise and show up at meetings, get their stuff of the agenda, on to county conventions, congress, etc. That's how it should work, but most clubs are run by a few ould lads who are the only ones who go to meetings, AGMs, etc. Time for the club players to go to the committee room after training.
The reason the club man is the problem is because we could change it all through the structures we have but we don't because after all the moaning clubs do, they don't mandate their county boards to support anything, any-bloody- thing radical, which is why the B championship has been proposed again.
Minor and U21 dual players are a huge problem, playing two cup competitions as our main events is a huge problem and inevitably leads to clubs not knowing when they're playing. The Sigerson has no impact on the club season but again, it's easier to address that than the real problems.
I read the former Donegal Physio said 66% of their injuries were training related and players had a 10:1 training to games ratio. There's your problem for both club and county but the club man will moan about his lot but not address the issues that cause it.
Tell the truth Zulu. You don't give a shite about club players. You want a sexy inter county season and loads of 'high profile' games. Would you favour a scenario where the county season and club seasons run side by side, with minimal crossover of players, similar to what happens in Irish rugby at the moment?
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
The IC season is far too long and gaps between matches are too long.
This really has to be tried before we do anything dramatic. Something in HQ needs to crack skulls at provincial level and say that all rounds must be played on the same weekend. To concentrate minds, announce the All-Ireland quarter-finals will be played on the first weekend in July, and if you're not ready you are giving a walkover. Can you imagine the craic of a weekend where all eight provincial semi-finals are staged?
Quote from: deiseach on January 26, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
The IC season is far too long and gaps between matches are too long.
This really has to be tried before we do anything dramatic. Something in HQ needs to crack skulls at provincial level and say that all rounds must be played on the same weekend. To concentrate minds, announce the All-Ireland quarter-finals will be played on the first weekend in July, and if you're not ready you are giving a walkover. Can you imagine the craic of a weekend where all eight provincial semi-finals are staged?
They won't do that because of the financial implications, especially re TV coverage.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2016, 12:48:33 PM
They won't do that because of the financial implications, especially re TV coverage.
If that is true, and I wonder if it is, then the GPA has won. The inevitable logic is to go down Dessie's Champions League route.
Quote from: deiseach on January 26, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2016, 12:48:33 PM
They won't do that because of the financial implications, especially re TV coverage.
If that is true, and I wonder if it is, then the GPA has won. The inevitable logic is to go down Dessie's Champions League route.
To be fair, I don't think that's a GPA led school of thought, they just happen to agree with it. Decisions have been made on our games with financial motivation the prime factor for several years now. It's a tough one. We, as an amateur organisation, need cash to function, and our biggest cash cow is the inter county game. However, when you appoint business people into positions where they are trying to maximise revenue, you risk the actual games themselves being impacted by decisions which are made for financial reasons.
We need money, but we need to strike the balance where we have enough money to run an amateur association, with screwing with our games in a bid to maximise revenue.
You couldn't be further from the truth AZ. Yes, I want radical change in the IC season to get us away from the daft scenario of IC teams playing 3 times in a week in January and then playing once every five weeks in the summer. Yes, I want to change our IC season so lads aren't training ten times for every one game. And yes I want change to get more high profile clashes between the top teams but that isn't because I want a sexy season (whatever that is), I want a logical season that has merit for all players, IC and club. 90% of IC games should be played in the all Ireland championship and our leagues have to, HAVE TO, be central to the championship. Ban dual IC players, and play IC competitions in parallel.Do that and you have a clear structure to the season which clubs can confidently build around. Stick with what we have or the minor adjustments some want and the club player will continue to get screwed.
All you've said I agree with, apart from banning dual IC players at minor and U21 level. I don't think you have to ban them at senior level any more, because it's just not feasible.
At U21 level, the Football and Hurling don't really overlap, so that shouldn't be a major issue.
At Minor they do, but in fairness they are still kids and not working or in college so it's not a massive issue in my eyes.
I would incorporate the leagues into the championship, and have straight knockout. Reward winners of the league in a meaningful way, financially (at board level) and with some sort of holiday at player level.
I would say that Minors, U21s and Seniors can ONLY be on one grade at a time. If you are a Minor, you cannot play U21, likewise an U21 cannot play senior.
And i would have the All Ireland over by the Middle of August.
I would have counties play their leagues without county players, or at least schedule fixtures without worrying about a county match next week.
I would only 'protect' 26 named county players from those league games.
I would have a club blackout period end of July/start of August
I would play knockout championships in counties, kicking off no later than 2 weeks after the county team is out of the running.
Get rid of qualifers and forget about champions league style championships.
But all of the above does not in any way blame the GPA for the current mess, I just don't like their solution which is based on Champions League and more intercounty games.
It also does not remove the need for someone (another representative body or within existing structures) to stand up for the club player in terms of some of the items I mentioned earlier.
And neither does any of the above take into account the drive towards revenue generation that I think the GAA are beholden to, and the GPA are supportive of.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2016, 01:10:38 PM
But all of the above does not in any way blame the GPA for the current mess, I just don't like their solution which is based on Champions League and more intercounty games.
It also does not remove the need for someone (another representative body or within existing structures) to stand up for the club player in terms of some of the items I mentioned earlier.
And neither does any of the above take into account the drive towards revenue generation that I think the GAA are beholden to, and the GPA are supportive of.
The GPA do have a contribution to the current mess. At the start of the GPA, one of their major complaints was that the county player trained for 6 months for 1 championship game (never recognizing McKenna cups etc, NFL) the solution was the back door which has created this current mess. And their current proposal is more games!!!!!!
My solution, I've stated this before, is to run the GAA like NCAA basketball.
All teams get ranked 1-33 (34 if Killkenny are in) and your league performance, provincial championship performance all contribute to final rankings after provincial championships, then split the teams into 4 groups and have a straight knockout championship with each group seeded.
Condense the season, now each team has at a min 10 serious games, and the weaker counties have a big day to look forward too.
Minor U21 to be played at the same time, maybe midweek, with no overlapping of players
This should be a no brianer
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
Quote from: Hardy on January 26, 2016, 12:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
What do non County Club players actually want?
I'd suggest they want a defined club calendar where holidays and other milestones can be planned - not one drafted in January which everyone knows won't be adhered to.
A shorter IC season and less power for IC managers to effectively cancel the club championships until the IC season is over.
A kick in the ass for ineffective CCC's that can't run off Championships even when their IC team was knocked out months earlier.
All of the above are matters that can be resolved by the GAA with a bit of will and common sense.
Mind you most County Senior teams' seasons are ended by around 10th July so that's surely short enough for them to have county finals played before 1st October.
Inter County managers have no official powers - Co Boards accede to their requests to postpone Club games.
Restricting eligibilities, downgrading third level college games to being a nice diversion from studies, designated weekends one per month in May/June/July/Aug for Club championship games only, shorter time frame for IC Championships.....
Would be a start.
Of course the ICGPA can't do any of those things but don't let that stop the usual suspects from blaming them for everything.
Rossfan, that's the strawiest looking man I ever saw. Why are you making up the suggestion that people are demanding that the GAA should be making things better for club players? YOU were the one who suggested club players should join the GPA. I pointed out to you that they were barred from membership.
I don't understand Meathish.
I was responding to the points Heffo made where he outlined what he thinks non County club players want.
A lot of earlier posters were on about setting up a ClubGPA.
A lot of the issues facing inter county players could have been resolved within the GAA ' with a bit of will and common sense'.
And because of a lack of that, the GPA came into being.
I see parallels, and in a lot of cases, the lack of will and common sense is now because Inter County is deciding the direction of the association.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
No, instead of back door, an All Ireland Championship, but run it off in a grading system, top four seeds split into 4 groups and so on, just like the NCAA march madness tournament
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
2003 or 2004 time cause I paid my subscription to somewhere on the Drumcondra road, got a nice training top at the time..
Quote from: johnneycool on January 26, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
2003 or 2004 time cause I paid my subscription to somewhere on the Drumcondra road, got a nice training top at the time..
So another urban myth bites the dust ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 26, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
2003 or 2004 time cause I paid my subscription to somewhere on the Drumcondra road, got a nice training top at the time..
So another urban myth bites the dust ;D
The GPA was first formed in '99 lead by Donal O'Neill. First meeting was to start it was in 96ish, in the Welly Park. First demands talked about in 96 gear, mileage and more games. This was the start of pressure applied to GAA to improve the county players lot
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 26, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
So people want a better structure to the season but still want the provincial championships and have them linked to the All Ireland!! Many also want dual IC players and lads able to play U21 and senior IC. A perfect example of the 'club man' being the biggest problem.
Where are you drawing the conclusion for the second part from?
Someone in HQ should show leadership and present options for a condensed IC season, options where if you play U21, you don't play Senior or Sigerson until the conclusion of your involvement in that competition.
IC teams go back training in the autumn because in a lot of cases there is an outside manager getting paid by the week who would get less money in a shorter season so he's calling the shots.
The IC season is far too long and gaps between matches are too long.
Offer examples over the whole season where the gaps can be reduced.
Once the championship starts, probably not something which bothers Dublin so much, but most teams have a game every 2 weeks in the qualifiers until they are eliminated. Some gaps in the championship scheduling can be reduced but once the qualifiers start, there is not that much room for schedule flexibility.
One change which wouldn't hurt is to have ET in all championship games, in the event of a draw of course.
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 06:46:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 26, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
2003 or 2004 time cause I paid my subscription to somewhere on the Drumcondra road, got a nice training top at the time..
So another urban myth bites the dust ;D
The GPA was first formed in '99 lead by Donal O'Neill. First meeting was to start it was in 96ish, in the Welly Park. First demands talked about in 96 gear, mileage and more games. This was the start of pressure applied to GAA to improve the county players lot
It was '99 alright. (I take it the Welly Park is the Wellington Park Hotel in Belfast.) I think it was DJ Carey's treatment by stewards after the Leinster final (96?) that kickstarted the GPA's foundation.
DJ had been injured in that game and could only walk with difficulty but when he tried to use a lift in order to go upstairs to a post-match reception he was stopped by a couple of stewards who told him that the lift was reserved for VIPs only!
The story was reported in the media and it led to a lot of players airing their gripes and the demand for their needs to be addressed took off from this.
I don't really understand why the GPA is getting so much stick on this board and elsewhere. Sure it doesn't cater for club players but it was set up to represent county players needs. The real scandal is that any sector of players should need a pressure group of any sort to speak for them. I'd like to see a club players' association with a branch in every county but that's an issue for another day. I really don't know enough about the GPA to condone or condemn it but a few facts stand out; IMO at any rate.
If it has 2,100 members then it has to be taken seriously. After all, it's the county players who bring the the paying public through the turnstiles and they do it for nothing other than their love of the game and they get sweet fa iin return.
I can't recall hearing that a single county player left the association or openly criticised it in any way. I may be wrong but I don't think so. If the most prominent players in the country have issues with the GAA, they should be listened to.
Furthermore, if the financial affairs of the GPA are audited every quarter by the GAA, I don't see how anyone could spend any money that can't be accounted for. If anyone is living in the lap of luxury with money provided by the GPA , he's a rare bird indeed.
And I don't buy the line that the county players' needs prevent the club players getting fair treatment. As long as clubs (and some counties also) spend every cent they can lay their hands on in hiring professionals and providing state of the art facilities for their (amatuer) players.It's the desire to win at all costs that drives them on to push players beyond their physical and mental limits.
The GAA needs a big shakeup alright but it wasn't the GPA that landed it in the mess it's in at the moment.
Rant over! ;D
Good gasùn Lairìn ;D
Quote from: Main Street on January 26, 2016, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 26, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 26, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
So people want a better structure to the season but still want the provincial championships and have them linked to the All Ireland!! Many also want dual IC players and lads able to play U21 and senior IC. A perfect example of the 'club man' being the biggest problem.
Where are you drawing the conclusion for the second part from?
Someone in HQ should show leadership and present options for a condensed IC season, options where if you play U21, you don't play Senior or Sigerson until the conclusion of your involvement in that competition.
IC teams go back training in the autumn because in a lot of cases there is an outside manager getting paid by the week who would get less money in a shorter season so he's calling the shots.
The IC season is far too long and gaps between matches are too long.
Offer examples over the whole season where the gaps can be reduced.
Once the championship starts, probably not something which bothers Dublin so much, but most teams have a game every 2 weeks in the qualifiers until they are eliminated. Some gaps in the championship scheduling can be reduced but once the qualifiers start, there is not that much room for schedule flexibility.
One change which wouldn't hurt is to have ET in all championship games, in the event of a draw of course.
Get rid of pre-season competitions, start the league later and condense it.
Have better harmony between provincial councils in terms of timing of games - there is no need for them to be so spread out.
Play ET in all championship games aside from the AI final.
Play AI final in August.
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 06:46:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 26, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Qualifiers came in in 2001.
When was the GPA founded?
Are you proposing an A,B,C,D Championship?
2003 or 2004 time cause I paid my subscription to somewhere on the Drumcondra road, got a nice training top at the time..
So another urban myth bites the dust ;D
The GPA was first formed in '99 lead by Donal O'Neill. First meeting was to start it was in 96ish, in the Welly Park. First demands talked about in 96 gear, mileage and more games. This was the start of pressure applied to GAA to improve the county players lot
Maybe they only got round to rolling the GPA out to the lesser counties in 2003/2004 ;D.
At the start their aims were admirable, increased mileage rate (IIRC it was 25 cent for players, but 50 cent for administrators at the time), meals for players after games and training, training gear and a helmet to be provided for hurlers (this still isn't the case in some counties).
I remember the first strike was to be a 5 minute delay in all National league games, can't even remember what exactly what it was for though!
I think it was a 15 minute delay. I was a game in Birr between Offaly and Cork, I think, and the delay was on. Something to do with recognition I think?
Yep it was 15 minutes, was in Cusack Park that day, can't remember what shower of heathens we were playing though. Yeah, they wanted recognition IIRC and it was really a show of strength without an all out strike.
That was in April 2006 and Mayo played Tyrone that day in Castlebar. The team stayed in the dressing room for 15 minutes. I'm not sure about the Tyrone players' attitude. I know at least some of them appeared but didn't run out onto the field. They stood on the sideline talking to their officials and amongst themselves .
IIRC, no one knew for sure what was going to happen at any of the games that day. Some counties took va bullish approach in advance and Mayo was one of them. The players announced well before the date that they'd observe the 15 minute delay.
Looking at Rob Hennelly's remarks from the other day it seems pretty clear to me most GPA members don't read the actual articles they're supposed to be up in arms about.
I supposed another text must have gone around from the head honchos to rally the troops.
Most of whom completely missed the point.
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
on this issue I would be in agreement with O'Rourkes article of yesterday
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
I have to admit, O'Rourke raises some good points in questions that should be addressed.
"One of the other big allocations is €1.2m for nutrition for county players. Many GAA people will be completely exasperated by this figure. Perhaps time will show - or maybe it is apparent already - that a lot of the supplements modern players are taking would be better off in the bin.
GAA players are careful about what they take, but some of the 'gym-market' supplements are not what they say on the tin. A lot of that market is aimed at the body beautiful and substances may be contaminated. Those on that regime don't seem to mind that their urine could turn pink in a few years, or hair could start growing in unusual places"
1.2 m is a lot of WTF
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2017, 10:13:15 AM
I have to admit, O'Rourke raises some good points in questions that should be addressed.
The wages seem extremely high.
As much as the GPA do some good work and there is a need for intercounty and ex intercounty players to be looked after, you cant help but feel in its current format, it is just a gravy train for a select few at the top.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them.
For the appropriate fee of course ;D
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
+1
He is bang on the money, excuse the pun.
oh btw, the GPA is non for profit ::)
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
+1
He is bang on the money, excuse the pun.
oh btw, the GPA is non for profit ::)
So was Goal and Console
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 13, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
+1
He is bang on the money, excuse the pun.
oh btw, the GPA is non for profit ::)
So was Goal and Console
And your point is ?
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
+1
He is bang on the money, excuse the pun.
oh btw, the GPA is non for profit ::)
In some organisations, not for profit = pay higher salaries to the top dogs to get rid of the profits!
You would wonder the feelings of a GAA president seeing this happen under their watch and probably powerless to change it.
What about the average intercounty player. How do they feel about this?
What about the club player? It must seem a world away from them a totally different set of GAA rules. From the sound of it Gooche's testimonial is the least of our problems.
Quote from: rrhf on November 13, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
You would wonder the feelings of a GAA president seeing this happen under their watch and probably powerless to change it.
What about the average intercounty player. How do they feel about this?
What about the club player? It must seem a world away from them a totally different set of GAA rules. From the sound of it Gooche's testimonial is the least of our problems.
the CPA will cure all that.............
the GPA were an issue for GAA until GAA management realised throw a few million and they will shut up and acquiesce and cause no further problems
Quote from: rrhf on November 13, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
You would wonder the feelings of a GAA president seeing this happen under their watch and probably powerless to change it.
What about the average intercounty player. How do they feel about this?
What about the club player? It must seem a world away from them a totally different set of GAA rules. From the sound of it Gooche's testimonial is the least of our problems.
I'm sure you mean Duffy, because the president isn't the man with real power.
I don't see why HQ would have any issue with it. The cost of business to keep a players' union in-house. For them it's probably the easiest cheque of all to under-write.
COR has impressed me lately with his willingness to go after the golden gooses - Dublin, the GPA in a way that's far harder to dismiss as self-serving in the manner much of Broly's commentary is.
So GPA a bit of a lucrative racket for the chosen few, who knew !
What grinds my gears is the GAA gets called the "Grab All Association" with unfounded accusations that it's all about "greed" and pocketing money, meanwhile the GPA openly brags about how much money it's going to raise to put in players' pockets and there's hardly a word about them. Fair play to O'Rourke for speaking up.
Have to give it to O Rourke on this. He has taken on the greedy hoors.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Colm wrote an article critical of the GPA and a text was sent out to the membership telling them to go after him on social media.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Colm wrote an article critical of the GPA and a text was sent out to the membership telling them to go after him on social media.
Q why is he the only person in the mainstream media to address this ??
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Colm wrote an article critical of the GPA and a text was sent out to the membership telling them to go after him on social media.
Q why is he the only person in the mainstream media to address this ??
Media relationships with the body representing the entire current player base is probably more important to them than that with one ex-player, or even the truth.
as a teacher, he's not afraid to call a spade a spade
how many teachers or ex teachers are involved in running the GPA?
very few, I'd imagine.
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Colm wrote an article critical of the GPA and a text was sent out to the membership telling them to go after him on social media.
Q why is he the only person in the mainstream media to address this ??
He doesn't need access to players for interviews.
Maybe the GPA can give some of that money to Peadar Heffron.
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 13, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 13, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 13, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I see Colm has resumed hostilities in yesterday's paper. The details included are interesting to say the least:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-what-really-intrigued-me-from-the-gpa-financial-report-was-the-wage-bill-36311178.html)
Rossfan will defend them. Seanie won't. Etc. Fwiw, O'Rourke is bang on with this one.
+1
He is bang on the money, excuse the pun.
oh btw, the GPA is non for profit ::)
So was Goal and Console
And your point is ?
How thick are you?
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
O'Rourke raised a few valid points alright and overall I am in broad agreement with him. But he has developed a habit of late that irritates me. You could call it the Swelled Head Syndrome.
I mean he takes it for granted that every one who reads his column already knows what happened between him and the GPA sometime in the past. There have been a few other instances of this as well but the present article is a good example of what I mean.
Take the following: "Hardly surprising that I am not on the GPA's mailing list but I am quite sure readers will be interested in at least some of the work of this body during 2016.
It is not altogether true that the GPA ignored me, or at least the Meath players of the past, this year."
WTF knows or cares what happened in the past? He is dealing with the present and shouldn't assume anything about what happened before now.
He assumes that his readership has been avidly reading his column and should be aware of whatever rows he's had with the GPA in the past.
A touch of the Tony Fearon style is beginning to show here. :D
Agreed. I for one haven't a notion of what he is on about in relation to past grievances.
Colm wrote an article critical of the GPA and a text was sent out to the membership telling them to go after him on social media.
Is this a fact, as in have the GPA admitted as much?
Just Meath paranoid solidarity now that they're not much good at football any more ;)
there was an article on ball.ie on the a text sent by the GPA but article seems to be gone now
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2017, 02:59:03 PM
there was an article on ball.ie on the a text sent by the GPA but article seems to be gone now
Money talks€€€€
Dermot Early's stepped down . . .
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dermot-earley-steps-down-as-gpa-chief-executive-36534364.html
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Dermot Early's stepped down . . .
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dermot-earley-steps-down-as-gpa-chief-executive-36534364.html
What do the GPA currently do? Serious question. I'm not trying to lead, but what are they actually currently involved in? I know they are helping GAA players for life after the GAA (my Father did some work with them regarding interview techniques, CV preparation etc) but aside from that, what are they at? Is there still furore over player welfare etc, or is all that gone by the wayside?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Dermot Early's stepped down . . .
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dermot-earley-steps-down-as-gpa-chief-executive-36534364.html
What do the GPA currently do? Serious question. I'm not trying to lead, but what are they actually currently involved in? I know they are helping GAA players for life after the GAA (my Father did some work with them regarding interview techniques, CV preparation etc) but aside from that, what are they at? Is there still furore over player welfare etc, or is all that gone by the wayside?
As a former player, didn't know then, don't know now.
All I know is a quick gander at their website shows up a picture of Donal óg.
That's all I need to know to put me off them even more.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Dermot Early's stepped down . . .
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dermot-earley-steps-down-as-gpa-chief-executive-36534364.html
What do the GPA currently do? Serious question. I'm not trying to lead, but what are they actually currently involved in? I know they are helping GAA players for life after the GAA (my Father did some work with them regarding interview techniques, CV preparation etc) but aside from that, what are they at? Is there still furore over player welfare etc, or is all that gone by the wayside?
In fairness they've improved player welfare immeasurably. . . I think that work is done though what they do now I'm not so sure of!
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Dermot Early's stepped down . . .
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dermot-earley-steps-down-as-gpa-chief-executive-36534364.html
What do the GPA currently do? Serious question. I'm not trying to lead, but what are they actually currently involved in? I know they are helping GAA players for life after the GAA (my Father did some work with them regarding interview techniques, CV preparation etc) but aside from that, what are they at? Is there still furore over player welfare etc, or is all that gone by the wayside?
In fairness they've improved player welfare immeasurably. . . I think that work is done though what they do now I'm not so sure of!
You mean the welfare that is the horrendous January-April schedule? That work is far from fecking done.
Young Dermot going back to the army so they'll need a new CEO.
They seem to not want to rock the boat at all any longer and make any serious inroads into fixture BS, which is a massive issue.
From the outside there seems to be a lot of photo ops about 'great talks' and initiatives with the same faces popping up in them all.
Would it not be better served coming in officially and have more transparency. Genuine question here, but what are the CEO wages?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 26, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
They seem to not want to rock the boat at all any longer and make any serious inroads into fixture BS, which is a massive issue.
From the outside there seems to be a lot of photo ops about 'great talks' and initiatives with the same faces popping up in them all.
Would it not be better served coming in officially and have more transparency. Genuine question here, but what are the CEO wages?
The average employee earns €77,000.
Colm O'Rourke- Irish Independent
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 26, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
They seem to not want to rock the boat at all any longer and make any serious inroads into fixture BS, which is a massive issue.
From the outside there seems to be a lot of photo ops about 'great talks' and initiatives with the same faces popping up in them all.
Would it not be better served coming in officially and have more transparency. Genuine question here, but what are the CEO wages?
Well whatever they are Dermot Earley won't have seen much left after paying emergency tax every month. As he said in the indo article, he had a decision to make, and obviously didn't think it was a job worth leaving the Defence Forces for.
Quote from: shark on January 26, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 26, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
They seem to not want to rock the boat at all any longer and make any serious inroads into fixture BS, which is a massive issue.
From the outside there seems to be a lot of photo ops about 'great talks' and initiatives with the same faces popping up in them all.
Would it not be better served coming in officially and have more transparency. Genuine question here, but what are the CEO wages?
Well whatever they are Dermot Earley won't have seen much left after paying emergency tax every month. As he said in the indo article, he had a decision to make, and obviously didn't think it was a job worth leaving the Defence Forces for.
Dermot Jr's decision had many more factors to it than simple remuneration.
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: shark on January 26, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 26, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
They seem to not want to rock the boat at all any longer and make any serious inroads into fixture BS, which is a massive issue.
From the outside there seems to be a lot of photo ops about 'great talks' and initiatives with the same faces popping up in them all.
Would it not be better served coming in officially and have more transparency. Genuine question here, but what are the CEO wages?
Well whatever they are Dermot Earley won't have seen much left after paying emergency tax every month. As he said in the indo article, he had a decision to make, and obviously didn't think it was a job worth leaving the Defence Forces for.
Dermot Jr's decision had many more factors to it than simple remuneration.
No doubt. My point was that he couldn't have held they status quo long term, and had to make a call. If he was a man solely chasing money then he wouldn't still be in the army.
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
Indeed. Imagine if the scenario were reversed.
There would be no shortage of Dessie whining in the newspapers
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
The long standing complaint is the lack of detail in the accounts
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
It's basically a commercial vehicle for the top level players and ex players
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
Balbriggan is right, any craic of strike action out of the GPA and the steady stream of funds to Mr Flynn, Seamus and Co will be threatened.
Once they took the GAA money they neutered themselves and that was done out of pure greed and nothing to do with player welfare.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 13, 2019, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
Balbriggan is right, any craic of strike action out of the GPA and the steady stream of funds to Mr Flynn, Seamus and Co will be threatened.
Once they took the GAA money they neutered themselves and that was done out of pure greed and nothing to do with player welfare.
What are you basing that assertion on?
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
They certainly were, 12 years ago. The GAA subsequently bought the revolution.
Also, does a union with corporate sponsorship not strike you as quare?
Gravy train. Sin e.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
They certainly were, 12 years ago. The GAA subsequently bought the revolution.
Also, does a union with corporate sponsorship not strike you as quare?
Never thought about it. Suppose it does.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
They certainly were, 12 years ago. The GAA subsequently bought the revolution.
Also, does a union with corporate sponsorship not strike you as quare?
Corporate Partners
At least get the bullsh1t language correct
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
They certainly were, 12 years ago. The GAA subsequently bought the revolution.
Also, does a union with corporate sponsorship not strike you as quare?
Corporate Partners
At least get the bullsh1t language correct
My apologies.
Why does a union need them?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2019, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2019, 05:38:43 PM
Corporate Partners
At least get the bullsh1t language correct
My apologies.
Why does a union need them?
To help fund player welfare and player development. The funds go towards providing services and support in the areas of Career Development, Education, Life Focus and Health and Wellbeing. For example:
- The GPA provides nutrition training for GPA members on a regular basis and also runs a nutrition programme as part of the GPA Rookie Camp.
- The GPA, as part of squad visits, provides all players anti-doping education before the championship season starts.
- The GPA Cardiac Screening Programme is a nationwide service available to all GPA members. The GPA have engaged with Advanced Medical Services (AMS) who provide a mobile cardiac screening service to all squads. All screening and follow up procedures for any GPA member is supported by the GPA.
- The GPA provides an injured player support program. It provides an opportunity for the injured, to invest & focus time into other areas of their lives, which will contribute to their dual-career, throughout their recovery.
- The GPA, in partnership with opro, have implemented a dental protection scheme to ensure players are provided with custom-fit mouthguards.
But the GAA pay for that...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2019, 01:46:30 PM
But the GAA pay for that...
Pay for it now after GPA lobbied them.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
Balbriggan is right, any craic of strike action out of the GPA and the steady stream of funds to Mr Flynn, Seamus and Co will be threatened.
Once they took the GAA money they neutered themselves and that was done out of pure greed and nothing to do with player welfare.
What are you basing that assertion on?
Basing it on the fact of being one of the original GPA members (paid my dues) and how they lost their way early on.
Their intentions were great in standardising county player entitlements for everyone irrespective of what county you played for and things did improve from what lads on county teams get now to what I got back in the day.
I didn't sign up for having "executives" and directors on big salaries dictating on rules and regulations in Croke Park, sorties for the elites to Boston or whatever.
There are still some good things coming out of the GPA in terms on support and mental health but we really don't need those overheads to do it.
Johnny, what do you mean by dictating on rules and regulations?
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Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
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Quote from: Esmarelda on November 13, 2019, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 12, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: joemamas on November 11, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Just read Joe Brollys comments on GPA , spot on IMO.
They don't disclose who and how much gets paid what.
Are they full time or part time ?.
Wonder what the ratio of their salaries are as to what individual players in D3 and D4 get in annual mileage etc.
Probably a good idea in the very beginning as I am sure a lot of players were begging for mileage allowance, healthcare, but the lack of transparency and their mega fund raising dinners in the US
just raises a lot of genuine questions that apparently will not be answered.
Surely the gaa shouldn't be funding them until accounts are submitted for scrutiny every year?
The GAA shouldn't be funding them full stop. If the players want a union they should fund it themselves. If they want to be treated like soccer and rugby they should have to pony up like they do. And thats before the whole neutered topic comes up.
The players do not earn a salary. But the players do earn millions for the GAA by dint of their dedication and sacrifice with the game now being played at an almost 'professional' standard. The players are entitled to have a % of those earnings put back into looking after their welfare.
If Joe has any questions about how GPA money is being spent he can download the accounts and refer to actual figures rather than making wild assumptions.
Was that the article where Joe claimed after a challenge game TCD v Meath that Sean Boylan rushed out to phone up Eamonn Coleman and point out that brilliant player for Trinity called Joe Brolly? What are the odds that Joe is confusing reality with a scene from that film 'Back to the Future' where the band member phoned up Chuck Berry?
The GAA funding the GPA means they are toothless. They will never take on the GAA and see the trough removed. So its controlled opposition, the facade of standing up for players.
Amateur players are not entitled to a thing. If they feel they deserve a slice, lets have a discussion about semi professionalism. On welfare, ok, things like insurance need to be in place. If the GPA disappear tomorrow players are no better or worse off. It is a vehicle to make some ex players a few bob and source some commercial work for the top few
Amateur players mightn't be entitle to anything but there's a strong argument that they deserve something which they are getting. I'd have thought the GPA are instrumental in that.
I also don't agree that the GPA are toothless. I imagine the grants issue will be revisited in years to come. It'll also be interesting to see if strike action is anywhere near the agenda come the Tier 2 championship next year.
Balbriggan is right, any craic of strike action out of the GPA and the steady stream of funds to Mr Flynn, Seamus and Co will be threatened.
Once they took the GAA money they neutered themselves and that was done out of pure greed and nothing to do with player welfare.
What are you basing that assertion on?
Basing it on the fact of being one of the original GPA members (paid my dues) and how they lost their way early on.
Their intentions were great in standardising county player entitlements for everyone irrespective of what county you played for and things did improve from what lads on county teams get now to what I got back in the day.
I didn't sign up for having "executives" and directors on big salaries dictating on rules and regulations in Croke Park, sorties for the elites to Boston or whatever.
There are still some good things coming out of the GPA in terms on support and mental health but we really don't need those overheads to do it.
sums up my point and more.
When you hear the arguments for by the prior posts, and this rebuttal from a member.
TKO for the latter.
Call it for what it is, An elite group, who take dues and wont disclose financials,
Paul Flynn's reply to Joe Brolly's half truths:
"He's entitled to his opinion as much as anybody is. But there were a couple of things he outlined that were factually untrue. Things around our commercial independence. We don't actually have commercial independence, just to clarify that.
"We have through our agreement with the GAA, we aren't actually able to go out and engage with corporates on our own. We can do it through a joint venture that we have with the GAA.
"Also around 'unchecked, ungoverned'. We've very strong governing structures. You were at our AGM, we outlined it all in our annual report. We're fully compliant with the government code for sporting organisations.
"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm. We've a GAA representative on our finance committee. We've a remuneration committee with three independents, who decide on salaries, and all salaries are benchmarked against other sporting organisations and similar organisations that exist in our size.
"So when you read things that are factually incorrect, that kind of... because I know the good work that goes on, on our governance side of things, and it's something that I, coming into the role, would be proud of and always trying to strengthen. I suppose it's easy to kind of write an article and not be checked on it. That's the only part.
"Other than that, he's entitled to his opinion. Do you know what I mean? Like everyone else is. But I'll keep fighting the fight for the players and representing them, and what's best in their interest. And the players know that.
"It's actually a bit like when you're playing. There can be journalists out there who like you and don't like you as a player. And I've learned one thing in my football career – you can control the controllables.
"You focus on your strategy, your game plan, what you want to achieve and keep driving on. There's going to be people along the way who aren't going to agree with you, but you've got to keep driving it on.
"Once you have an informed strategy based on feedback from players, based off best practice, that's what we'll continue to do. Some people will agree, some people won't. Some people who don't might actually start agreeing with me in time, and some will never."
Good man Flynner! Feck the begrudgers, they've already lost. Keep up the great work (even though the begrudgers will completely ignore all you do, but they're irrelevant )
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
"We've a remuneration committee with three independents, who decide on salaries, and all salaries are benchmarked against other sporting organisations and similar organisations that exist in our size."
No need to tell us so much about salaries Paul just tell us the actual figure
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
Paul Flynn's reply to Joe Brolly's half truths:
"He's entitled to his opinion as much as anybody is. But there were a couple of things he outlined that were factually untrue. Things around our commercial independence. We don't actually have commercial independence, just to clarify that.
"We have through our agreement with the GAA, we aren't actually able to go out and engage with corporates on our own. We can do it through a joint venture that we have with the GAA.
"Also around 'unchecked, ungoverned'. We've very strong governing structures. You were at our AGM, we outlined it all in our annual report. We're fully compliant with the government code for sporting organisations.
"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm. We've a GAA representative on our finance committee. We've a remuneration committee with three independents, who decide on salaries, and all salaries are benchmarked against other sporting organisations and similar organisations that exist in our size.
"So when you read things that are factually incorrect, that kind of... because I know the good work that goes on, on our governance side of things, and it's something that I, coming into the role, would be proud of and always trying to strengthen. I suppose it's easy to kind of write an article and not be checked on it. That's the only part.
"Other than that, he's entitled to his opinion. Do you know what I mean? Like everyone else is. But I'll keep fighting the fight for the players and representing them, and what's best in their interest. And the players know that.
"It's actually a bit like when you're playing. There can be journalists out there who like you and don't like you as a player. And I've learned one thing in my football career – you can control the controllables.
"You focus on your strategy, your game plan, what you want to achieve and keep driving on. There's going to be people along the way who aren't going to agree with you, but you've got to keep driving it on.
"Once you have an informed strategy based on feedback from players, based off best practice, that's what we'll continue to do. Some people will agree, some people won't. Some people who don't might actually start agreeing with me in time, and some will never."
Good man Flynner! Feck the begrudgers, they've already lost. Keep up the great work (even though the begrudgers will completely ignore all you do, but they're irrelevant )
You must be either a relative or on an employee
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
And available here;
https://www.gaelicplayers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Annual-Report-2018.pdf
Page 54 will take you to the employees and remuneration section.
No specific details given as per each individuals income but a generic statement;
The total remuneration for key management personnel for the financial year amounted to €412,109
(2017: €471,806).
That could be one person, two, maybe 6, who knows!
WRT the Remuneration committee, not sure how Paul can say the committee has more independents that members but that's maybe only relevant when the decisions around salaries are discussed.
REMUNERATION, PEOPLE & CHANGE COMMITTEE
Sean Murphy Chairman Independent
Paul Flynn Member Director (resigned 24 September 2018)
Fergus Clancy Member Director
Patricia Gordon Member Independent (appointed 30 April 2019)
Philip Greene Member Director (appointed 30 April 2019)
Quote from: johnnycool on November 15, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
And available here;
https://www.gaelicplayers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Annual-Report-2018.pdf
Page 54 will take you to the employees and remuneration section.
No specific details given as per each individuals income but a generic statement;
The total remuneration for key management personnel for the financial year amounted to €412,109
(2017: €471,806).
That could be one person, two, maybe 6, who knows!
WRT the Remuneration committee, not sure how Paul can say the committee has more independents that members but that's maybe only relevant when the decisions around salaries are discussed.
REMUNERATION, PEOPLE & CHANGE COMMITTEE
Sean Murphy Chairman Independent
Paul Flynn Member Director (resigned 24 September 2018)
Fergus Clancy Member Director
Patricia Gordon Member Independent (appointed 30 April 2019)
Philip Greene Member Director (appointed 30 April 2019)
so could be almost 70k each?
nice work if you can get it
plus bonuses for the CEO bringing in more corporate clients? plus a car? health insurance? pension contributions?
I hope its not John Delaney that they were benchmarking their salaries against?
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
So they GPA are probably overpaid in many people's views.
Are they representing their members well or what is that people think they should be doing, other than declaring how much each individual is getting paid?
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 15, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
So they GPA are probably overpaid in many people's views.
Are they representing their members well or what is that people think they should be doing, other than declaring how much each individual is getting paid?
Representing?
They are trying to fundraise to increase their commercial revenue and pushing elitism within the GAA
I doubt they are too worried about the Leitrim hurlers
They have to be if Zac and the lads are paid up members.
Good to see we keeping up the good ole amateur team ethos of the Gaa. Where it all go wrong.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 16, 2019, 12:54:26 AM
Good to see we keeping up the good ole amateur team ethos of the Gaa. Where it all go wrong.
Sentences with words missing was the start...
Guess who was in NY for their annual "Dinner" this past weekend.
Absolutely disgraceful, at a time when the NY GAA are in the midst of trying to finance the rebuilding of Gaelic Park. Sums it all up.
Would love to hear the comments of the GPA defenders on the prior few pages on this latest event.
Quote from: joemamas on November 17, 2019, 01:49:44 PM
Guess who was in NY for their annual "Dinner" this past weekend.
Absolutely disgraceful, at a time when the NY GAA are in the midst of trying to finance the rebuilding of Gaelic Park. Sums it all up.
Would love to hear the comments of the GPA defenders on the prior few pages on this latest event.
There does seem to be a strong whiff of junket to some of these trips - is there an element of going on trips to the US to raise money to go on trips to the US?
It's the whiff of pure begrudgery and ignorance on this thread that is hilarious.
You should read more Joe Brolly. You'll lap up his lies like the sheep you are.
The GPA are the driving force behind USA fundraising trips and have been for half a century. Ha Ha ;D ;D
Quote from: Hound on November 18, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
It's the whiff of pure begrudgery and ignorance on this thread that is hilarious.
You should read more Joe Brolly. You'll lap up his lies like the sheep you are.
The GPA are the driving force behind USA fundraising trips and have been for half a century. Ha Ha ;D ;D
The GPA have existed for half a century?
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 15, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd".
Quote from: Hound on November 18, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
The GPA are the driving force behind USA fundraising trips and have been for half a century. Ha Ha ;D ;D
Oh dear.
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 15, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd".
Trying to figure out how to reply to that. Could you explain what point you're making with that post please?
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 15, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd".
Trying to figure out how to reply to that. Could you explain what point you're making with that post please?
It's hardly cryptic.
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 15, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: five points on November 14, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Quote"We're audited by Deloitte, a big four firm"
A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money
Yeah, better to get a small time crowd that won't raise too much suspicion. Damned if you do and all that.
Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd".
Trying to figure out how to reply to that. Could you explain what point you're making with that post please?
It's hardly cryptic.
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
big five - corporate money, corporate sponsorship etc
why do the GPA need to go on a junket to NYC?
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
"A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money"
"Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd"."
No mention of fees in either of those two posts yet you feel what you say is very clear despite you deciding not to clarify when I invited you to.
And I didn't say their work would be more dependable as you can see.........very clearly.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 18, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
why do the GPA need to go on a junket to NYC?
Its only select members... or are they even members if they are full time employees... that get to go on the junkets.
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
"A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money"
"Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd"."
No mention of fees in either of those two posts yet you feel what you say is very clear despite you deciding not to clarify when I invited you to.
And I didn't say their work would be more dependable as you can see.........very clearly.
"...too much money"
"...No mention of fees... "
::)
(It's only a minor point anyway. Hardly worth fighting over.)
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 18, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
big five - corporate money, corporate sponsorship etc
why do the GPA need to go on a junket to NYC?
To celebrate 50 years of the GPA?
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
"A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money"
"Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd"."
No mention of fees in either of those two posts yet you feel what you say is very clear despite you deciding not to clarify when I invited you to.
And I didn't say their work would be more dependable as you can see.........very clearly.
"...too much money"
"...No mention of fees... "
::)
(It's only a minor point anyway. Hardly worth fighting over.)
I agree with the bit in brackets, but who's fighting?
I've no vested interest in the GPA. I just want a balanced view of what's going on there. Saying that using a Big Five accountancy firm is a sign of a firm with too much money sounds like an argument in favour of an already formed opinion rather than a balanced one.
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
Saying that using a Big Five accountancy firm is a sign of a firm with too much money sounds like an argument in favour of an already formed opinion rather than a balanced one.
Big Four actually.
Maybe it is.
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
"A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money"
"Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd"."
No mention of fees in either of those two posts yet you feel what you say is very clear despite you deciding not to clarify when I invited you to.
And I didn't say their work would be more dependable as you can see.........very clearly.
"...too much money"
"...No mention of fees... "
::)
(It's only a minor point anyway. Hardly worth fighting over.)
I agree with the bit in brackets, but who's fighting?
I've no vested interest in the GPA. I just want a balanced view of what's going on there. Saying that using a Big Five accountancy firm is a sign of a firm with too much money sounds like an argument in favour of an already formed opinion rather than a balanced one.
The reality is its notions. A company with that staff and that turnover could be audited by any one man band at a fraction of the cost. The GAA itself doesn't go big 4.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 18, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: five points on November 18, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Definitely not, just nonsensical.
An auditing scandal, as you might define it, is likely to have involved one of the big five accountancy firms as, to merit it being a scandal, it would probably need to involve an entity who engages a firm of such a size.
By your logic, the GPA shouldn't use one of these firms because they have been or are more likely to have been involved in a scandal. You seem to be suggesting (in the absence of you explaining your post) that the GPA would be better off hiring a small firm of accountants who haven't been found to be in a scandal as they're not large enough to make such headlines.
Or maybe there's something cryptic in there after all?
No, what I said was very clear. The GPA shouldn't be using them because their fees are astronomical, to the level that only very large companies, multinationals and those with very deep pockets use them. Your red herring that their work should be more dependable than smaller firms was and is easily rebuffed.
"A telltale sign of an outfit with too much money"
"Google "auditing scandals" and you'll find Deloitte way ahead of any "small time crowd"."
No mention of fees in either of those two posts yet you feel what you say is very clear despite you deciding not to clarify when I invited you to.
And I didn't say their work would be more dependable as you can see.........very clearly.
"...too much money"
"...No mention of fees... "
::)
(It's only a minor point anyway. Hardly worth fighting over.)
I agree with the bit in brackets, but who's fighting?
I've no vested interest in the GPA. I just want a balanced view of what's going on there. Saying that using a Big Five accountancy firm is a sign of a firm with too much money sounds like an argument in favour of an already formed opinion rather than a balanced one.
The reality is its notions. A company with that staff and that turnover could be audited by any one man band at a fraction of the cost. The GAA itself doesn't go big 4.
Shouldn't the GAA itself be auditing the GPA themselves?
Considering they fund most of it.
Read Colm O Rourke's piece in the Independent today.
Wonderful summary of what the GPA really are and stand for.
QuoteIn case you missed it, there was a massive promotion of hurling last weekend. No, it wasn't in Fermanagh, Tyrone or Leitrim. It wasn't even in Offaly or Antrim, where things are not going too well at present.
This hurling promotion event was in the Mets' Citi Field in New York. Four Irish teams - Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary and Wexford - played out this new-fangled version, with soccer goals and some type of scoring system which nobody understands.
I imagine the promotion of hurling would be better served by these four teams spending a weekend in some of the weaker counties, maybe doing a bit of training with teams on a Saturday, with an exhibition match against the county side on Sunday. And Saturday night would also offer countless promotion possibilities with various types of functions. Players could be looked after financially too, because nobody would disagree with that type of initiative.
The mongrel breed of hurling last weekend was a GPA-organised junket. If the GAA want to give top players a break in New York then the best of luck to them, but don't try to dress it up as some sort of promotion for the ancient game of hurling.
The GPA were at it again, too, that weekend with one of their lavish dinners to honour some top Irish person, or Irish American. On this occasion it was Seán Mulryan. The format is the same. Get some well known and successful businessman (no poor man ever gets honoured) and sell tables on the strength of their name.
The packages vary from $25,000 for the Liam MacCarthy package down to $2,500 for the O'Duffy version. For the top payers, there is exclusive access to all the, em, big wigs in the GPA, tickets for all types of events, including the All-Ireland and a Ryder Cup style golf tournament in both the US and Ireland. The favoured course in Ireland to look after all these important people is the K Club.
I have been wondering what exclusive access means - perhaps it is up to intellectuals like Donal Óg Cusack, who could lecture on how British Imperialism still has an effect on the sweeper system in hurling. Or perhaps Dessie Farrell could tell everyone like myself how in God's good name this charade in New York or, the week before in Boston, has anything to do with the GAA. Some of the old guard never seem to leave the GPA, even when they have no official positions.
To me, the GPA is a Dublin-dominated organisation which has looked after its own very well. I was surprised Seán Mulryan took up their offer. He has put huge resources, both financial and otherwise, into Roscommon GAA and the Hospice in Roscommon-Mayo among other things, so he is a man of substance. He does not need the GPA who now unashamedly espouse completely different values to what the GAA is about. The GPA look after the few, the GAA traditionally stood for the many until they sold out.
The existing three-year agreement between the GPA and the GAA is now up for renewal. The old agreement gave the GPA over €3m a year, but worse still, 15 per cent of commercial revenue. It was a bad deal with the prospect of getting worse. How could the GAA give away so much money to an independent organisation, especially without being able to exercise oversight or control? This money could have helped a lot of clubs who desperately need grants for playing fields and dressing rooms.
Of course the GAA at central level will claim that they have control over the GPA. Do they control the wages and expenses paid to their executives? The same ones who could be enticed away by Google or Intel or the Kerry Group or some other multi-million euro company if they did not pay them such wages. That's a joke by the way.
Did the GAA agree with the number of people who were brought to New York and Boston and were part of the fundraising dinner?
I ask because at a recent Central Council meeting there was annoyance expressed that a fundraising dinner was going ahead in New York which was in direct contravention of an agreement with the GPA. The real question now is, who runs the GAA?
What will the leaders of all us rank and file foot soldiers do about this? Will they roll over again and give the GPA what they want when a new deal is agreed while the GPA laughs, and does the opposite to what was agreed? The GAA in New York badly needs funds for the refit of Gaelic Park. The last thing needed is the plundering of the city for a group who represent two per cent of the Association. New York is now seen as some type of GPA cash dispenser.
The GPA may view people like me as dinosaurs who do not understand their great work - all the well-being issues tackled and grants towards exclusive college scholarships. I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin. When I raised this before the GPA tried to silence me and embarrass a former Meath player who had been helped. If that tactic had been tried on the pitch I would have attempted grievous bodily harm on those involved! And there would have been a long queue of comrades to help.
The GPA put huge emphasis on player welfare projects. In my own profession I know a lot about that subject. If the GPA think this is a big part of their role then perhaps the government will cut the grants to players as the GPA seem to be making so much money from other sources and helping those who should be getting assistance through the HSE. They obviously don't need the money.
But that is what you are dealing with here. A group who really believe the guiding principles of the GAA do not apply to them and that I need to be sent to the Russian Gulags for some type of indoctrination. Maybe they also think that there are many thousands like me who do not appreciate this new form of hurling. Maybe it will end up in the Olympics - although at least we would be guaranteed gold medals.
Well that is not my idea of the GAA - past, present or future. My view of our great sporting body is that it is for everyone and status or success does not confer greater rights or power on anyone. The idea of a players' group which is organised and financed outside the control of the GAA is completely contradictory to the guiding principles which have made the GAA so successful but is now being attacked from within by our most precious commodity, our greatest players. Self-interest is not good for the GAA. The players have all the power. With it comes responsibilities. Might does not mean right.
Let me be clear on one thing. The GAA does need a body representing players, one that plays a key role in the big questions like fixtures, burn-out, scholarships and so on. However, it should be from within the GAA, not as some outside agency which takes the money but none of the responsibility. The GPA should be playing a much bigger role on things like fixtures at the moment rather than swanning around Boston and New York when issues at home are far more important. What has this to do with the GAA?
Furthermore, I do believe that there is a large body of players in weaker counties who are not happy with the GPA and feel a ruling clique have lost the run of themselves when they should be going back to basics.
The GAA is facing a crisis on this issue. The GAA at central level have no control over the GPA, in fact the tail is giving the dog a right good wagging. So the GAA at central level has a choice. If the GPA wishes to continue as an independent body then good luck to them. However, that should mean they lose all financial contributions and they can paddle their own canoe. Or they can become a vibrant voice for players from within.
We will soon see whether those elected officials on behalf of the GAA run the organisation on the basis of equality and in the interest of all members or whether a small group are allowed plunder the entire body. It's time to stand up and be counted lads.
About the bits I've bolded - anecdotally I've heard the same about there being a serious variation in terms of what players in different counties have "got" from the GPA, with those counties with GPA insiders benefitting far more than other counties.
Dungannon really on the up. Playing week in week out against good opposition up is what is helping them. Expect them in Antrim division one soon enough.
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 24, 2019, 07:29:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2019, 07:10:20 PM
Dungannon really on the up. Playing week in week out against good opposition up is what is helping them. Expect them in Antrim division one soon enough.
Certainly doing well. Opened their own grounds a couple of years ago, and had a Feile team that won a Division 2 Cup a few years ago too. They also reached the final of the Ulster Club MHC tournament at Ballinascreen having won the shield title earlier this year. A very passionate & dedicated bunch within Eoghain Ruadh, they take teams all over the place for games. Their dominance at youth level in Tyrone however is coming at a cost somewhat since they've won everything in sight the last few years in the county with only a few teams operating with several of them fledgling and getting footholds where hurling was rarely if ever seen before, but that is not Eoghain Ruadh's problem to deal with, that's for the county hurling committee. Geography definitely an advantage for them and Naomh Colmcille, whom both compete in the Antrim leagues and don't have to travel too far to get competitive games against the strongest sides in Ulster. Further west in Tyrone, it's more difficult to be able to do this although Omagh have been putting efforts in at the younger levels in both hurling & camogie. At present the biggest barrier is getting club teams fielded beyond Under 14 levels.
Getting to division one in Antrim would be a big thing for them and I definitely think it is on the horizon. Yep it will be hard to get the standards up everywhere but at least there is an avenue for teams to do it now with the Antrim league becoming a bit more of an Ulster league. Carryduff and Bredagh benefitting greatly too.
Anyway, back to the thread...
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin. So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin.
So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Lets see the numbers so we can figure this all out for our selves
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin.
So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Can you answer the Q, as to the total disregard for the NY GAA who have embarked on the long over due( Not their fault as they did not own property)rebuilding of Gaelic Park.
Why did the GPA feel the need to "fund raise" in NY this year.
Do you think Colm was lying about the former Meath player he mentioned. He comes across to me as a straight shooter, and not one who would make up stories or lies.
I am not a member, nor have been, but I did respect the opinion of a former paid up member who contributed a page or two back. I suppose he is also a "sheep".
It is actually called having an opinion.
https://www.gaa.ie/news/upmc-announced-as-official-healthcare-partner-of-the-gaa-gpa/
It strikes me that the GAA's strategy with the GPA is similar to what Westminster did in NI in the mid-nineties.
The NI Assembly was formed with wildly OTT excesses in terms of member numbers, salaries, expenses, pensions, and support staff allowances. The idea, I believe, being that if you throw enough money at the right people, they can enjoy the trappings that come with it, and will help in no little part smooth any problem away. It was basically bribery to toe the line.
The GPA seems to have developed a similar purpose. Chuck enough money at the key influencers and more active organisers. Allow them some podium space to further their profiles. Give them all the rope they want, and only pull them into line behind closed doors. All you ask for in return is not to upset the applecart when the big boys are playing big boy games.
I expect it too will falter sometime in the future, when a change of leadership with a narrower focus comes along. But that leadership will probably still be paid too, to do nothing in the background, so long as it doesn't interfere with the big boys playing their big boy games.
Quote from: joemamas on November 25, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin.
So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Can you answer the Q, as to the total disregard for the NY GAA who have embarked on the long over due( Not their fault as they did not own property)rebuilding of Gaelic Park.
Why did the GPA feel the need to "fund raise" in NY this year.
Do you think Colm was lying about the former Meath player he mentioned. He comes across to me as a straight shooter, and not one who would make up stories or lies.
I am not a member, nor have been, but I did respect the opinion of a former paid up member who contributed a page or two back. I suppose he is also a "sheep".
It is actually called having an opinion.
As O'Rourke alludes to in his article and as many of us have been saying for years, the GPA view the USA as an ATM to be plundered. If the GAA were to behave the way the GPA carries on they'd be branded the "Grab All Association."
The GPA's fundraising efforts in the USA are a smash-and-grab. Throw together a high profile event with the backing of some big-shot Irish American businesspeople who probably don't have much GAA involvement, host the "star studded" event in a fancy hotel (make sure to repeat the phrase "star studded" in all the publicity), rake in the cash, stick it in your pocket, take it home, and pay no heed to the local USGAA/NYGAA who would give anything to have that level of fundraising firepower. Throw them a few thousand dollars as crumbs from the table if they make a bit of noise about it, but apart from that give nothing to those little people.
Quote from: joemamas on November 25, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin.
So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Can you answer the Q, as to the total disregard for the NY GAA who have embarked on the long over due( Not their fault as they did not own property)rebuilding of Gaelic Park.
Why did the GPA feel the need to "fund raise" in NY this year.
Do you think Colm was lying about the former Meath player he mentioned. He comes across to me as a straight shooter, and not one who would make up stories or lies.
I am not a member, nor have been, but I did respect the opinion of a former paid up member who contributed a page or two back. I suppose he is also a "sheep".
It is actually called having an opinion.
Darren Fay was the Meath player in question. O'Rourke was unhappy with Sean Potts statement at the time and rightly so.
https://www.the42.ie/colm-orourke-gpa-2-1735824-Oct2014/
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-gpas-argument-doesnt-add-up-30693418.html
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
Good to see O'Rourke talking sense
Ah yeah, he knows people will lap up his lies.
I would love to see the breakdown of where all those scholarships have gone. I suspect there would be a weighting towards Dublin.
So Dublin, with the highest population and the highest number of applications, get the highest number of scholarships. Shock, horror!
A lower percentage of Dublin applicants get scholarships than anywhere else.
So the highest number of scholarships go to Dublin, yet an individual Dub finds it harder to win GPA related scholarships than people from anywhere else. Can you figure that one out Colm, or would that be too high brow for the sheep that you aim your column at?
Not going to be a total eejit here, but I'd say a young lad/lassie living in Dublin and going to college in Dublin is not going to need a scholarship as much as eg a player from Clare, or Leitrim or Cavan
why do the GPA need a healthcare partner?
what does that actually mean??
I had to laugh at these two bits in the press release
The partnership and sponsorship agreement means that UPMC, which offers trusted, high-quality health services at UPMC Whitfield Hospital in Waterford and other facilities in Ireland, will work with these sporting organisations to promote the health of Gaelic Players and the communities in which they play.
except the club players will see nothing from it
"UPMC has a long tradition of caring for athletes at all levels, including the Pittsburgh Steelers and Pittsburgh Penguins" said David Beirne, senior vice president of UPMC International and managing director of UPMC in Ireland.
so two professional sports teams
Is the GPA Dublin centric? I see Mark Vaughan (If you remember him) is on a scholarship, hes in his mid 30s and hasnt played since 2010 or so.
The GPA has benefits but they need to open up about structures, salaries, who gets what and where and why.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 26, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
but they need to open up about structures, salaries, who gets what and where and why.
Exactly!
O'Rourke is 100% right.
Re: Vaughan - WTF?
There are loads of top class inter-county players who have managed to be highly successful in their careers. Some of them aren't even teachers! I'm sure the football helps, but many succeed through really hard work. There are others that want to treat the game as if it is professional because they aren't arsed with doing an honest days work / study and that part of their life goes on hold. It shouldn't be indulged.
Flynn is out in the media again today defending the GPA and the junket to NY
"I would love to see a time that we get to when an inter-county player (doesn't) have to retire because their job has got too demanding — because they are at a mid-management level or have to go international or have to do what they got to do to progress in their career."
so the GPA is being used a networking club to get county players up the ladder in various jobs.
not much good to lads working in a school who don't get to do all this corporate stuff.
"There was 11,500 people in a baseball pitch in the middle of New York. And it was a great day, it was a great event. There was a great atmosphere. Where the criticism is coming from, is it warranted? I don't believe so.
"We need to develop the game here, but we need to also look at how we can look at short-form versions of our games to grow it internationally.
"That's ultimately what we are looking to do with the Super 11s. Every sport has a short-form version of the game.
Really?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 24, 2019, 07:08:12 PM
Whatever about the rest of the article, sending Liam McCarthy Cup teams up north to Fermanagh, Tyrone or Leitrim to play exhibition games during the "off-season" along with one public training session, on its own, would do next to nothing to encourage hurling participation levels. At least in Tyrone.
Are you involved with Eoghan Ruadh, Carrickmore or some of the other hurling clubs in Tyrone?
Am not sure where to stand.
I think they'd make it a lot easier for themselves if they were a bit more transparent - having a full list of scholarship recipients available etc.
The optics of the first trip to Boston (two years ago?) weren't great when it seemed like there a huge number of hangers on in the pictures - they probably paid their own way but it gives rise to the junket impression.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 26, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
Flynn is out in the media again today defending the GPA and the junket to NY
"I would love to see a time that we get to when an inter-county player (doesn't) have to retire because their job has got too demanding — because they are at a mid-management level or have to go international or have to do what they got to do to progress in their career."
so the GPA is being used a networking club to get county players up the ladder in various jobs.
not much good to lads working in a school who don't get to do all this corporate stuff.
"There was 11,500 people in a baseball pitch in the middle of New York. And it was a great day, it was a great event. There was a great atmosphere. Where the criticism is coming from, is it warranted? I don't believe so.
"We need to develop the game here, but we need to also look at how we can look at short-form versions of our games to grow it internationally.
"That's ultimately what we are looking to do with the Super 11s. Every sport has a short-form version of the game.
Really?
This guy is either incredibly arrogant or has a serious case of verbal diarrhea. They came to NY to promote 11 a side hurling.
Bulls*it.
Did the journalist ask him about the fundraising or;
A) was he also on the trip
B) is he afraid he will lose access to the elite players if he criticizes the trip.
lastly, why are Colm O Rourke and Brolly the only Journalists bringing attention to this.
A lot of these aholes are tripping over themselves trying to give soundbites to stay relevant all year around, but dont have the balls to address this.
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I think everything they do is null and void until they genuinely speak up for the players they are meant to represent.
They speak about the demands of the GAA, the fuckin GAA at Central and County Board Level do not make demands, the county managers do and the GPA never even point that out. Lads not being given any flexibility in their lives or being allowed anything related to a social life.
Then the GPA supports those under stress and pressure, the stress and pressure an individual is putting them under in many cases - but we don't talk about that.
It's much easier to look at the GAA and blame the organisation...
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
no funding for clubs and schools to buy footballs, sliotars or hurleys.
eg our local school would have no hurling in it only for the club goes out a fundraises to help buy some equipment.
I remember the school 15 years ago getting a bag of footballs for free and a bag of hurleys for free, when a large multi national fast foot company sponsored the kit
But now there is no free equipment for schools.
Even Aldi provide a chance to get some rugby equipment
Where has all the corporate sponsorship gone?
I wouldn't be one for agreeing for Colm O'Rourke but he is 100% right here...
It looks like the GAA basically bribed the GPA to pipe down, make them part of the organisation and gave them free reign commercially.
But on the other hand it may have been part of their intention since Farrell took over to have a wee junket like this. I remember I thought the outcome of the negotiations a bit strange at the time, they had went from a radical rabble rousing organisation who had secured Government grants for players to basically becoming part of the main GAA body without so much as a whimper
TBF to Flynn tho I'd be regurgitating BS to if I was on a good thing like it
This Citi field thing. 11,000 punters at $80 a pop and $7.25 a hot dog, sponsored by Aer Lingus. A company called Fenway Sports Management ran it.
As this was a commercially run game, how much did the players get? How much did the GAA get?
Colm is on a roll of ranting this week ;D
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1126/1095262-dead-duck-provincials-preventing-fixture-solution/
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2019, 06:42:41 PM
Colm is on a roll of ranting this week ;D
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1126/1095262-dead-duck-provincials-preventing-fixture-solution/
He is 100% right in what he says, provincial championships are largely irrelevant now, since the Back door came in the intensity dropped a bit and since the super 8s they really are of no significance. Play them instead of the Pre season competitions, over a 3-4 week period, for example Ulster play the 4 quarter finals over a weekend, Friday night, sat afternoon, sat evening & Sunday, play to a finish, then semi finals week after and final week after. Lead into the league without the league finals, which again serve no purpose. then into 2 tiers all Ireland championship. Could easily free up a few weeks by doing something like that
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 26, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
Flynn is out in the media again today defending the GPA and the junket to NY
"I would love to see a time that we get to when an inter-county player (doesn't) have to retire because their job has got too demanding — because they are at a mid-management level or have to go international or have to do what they got to do to progress in their career."
so the GPA is being used a networking club to get county players up the ladder in various jobs.
not much good to lads working in a school who don't get to do all this corporate stuff.
"There was 11,500 people in a baseball pitch in the middle of New York. And it was a great day, it was a great event. There was a great atmosphere. Where the criticism is coming from, is it warranted? I don't believe so.
"We need to develop the game here, but we need to also look at how we can look at short-form versions of our games to grow it internationally.
"That's ultimately what we are looking to do with the Super 11s.
If they were serious about developing the game internationally then they'd engage with the GAA units that have been developing the game internationally for donkey's years and agree on a way to go about it. Super 11s is the GPA going off on a solo run with no input from local GAA units. Notre Dame University has a student hurling and football club but it'll be a cold day in hell before the GPA help them out with any equipment or coaching.
QuoteEvery sport has a short-form version of the game.
To be fair, I don't know about
all sports, but a lot of them do. Football codes have Sevens versions, Cricket has T20, cycling has criteriums, etc.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 26, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
I wouldn't be one for agreeing for Colm O'Rourke but he is 100% right here...
It looks like the GAA basically bribed the GPA to pipe down, make them part of the organisation and gave them free reign commercially.
But on the other hand it may have been part of their intention since Farrell took over to have a wee junket like this. I remember I thought the outcome of the negotiations a bit strange at the time, they had went from a radical rabble rousing organisation who had secured Government grants for players to basically becoming part of the main GAA body without so much as a whimper
TBF to Flynn tho I'd be regurgitating BS to if I was on a good thing like it
There's something to be said for keeping your friends close but your enemies closer. Inside the tent pi$$ing out rather than outside the tent pi$4ing in and all that.
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
Whatever about GPA junkets how many $$$$$ are spent on paying Irish Summer semi pros annually?
That would provide a lot of facilities for GAA units over there.
Quote from: Hound on November 27, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
I don't think anyone has an issue with IC players travelling and playing the exhibition games.
It's more than people in the travelling party who don't seem to have a particular reason for being there - see my previous post.
Quote from: heffo on November 27, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 27, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
I don't think anyone has an issue with IC players travelling and playing the exhibition games.
It's more than people in the travelling party who don't seem to have a particular reason for being there - see my previous post.
I do, in the absence of an explanation as to where the money goes
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 27, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: heffo on November 27, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 27, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
I don't think anyone has an issue with IC players travelling and playing the exhibition games.
It's more than people in the travelling party who don't seem to have a particular reason for being there - see my previous post.
I do, in the absence of an explanation as to where the money goes
The players will get a daily allowance I'd suggest and I'm basing that on what we got when travelling to NYC when they were in the old Ulster hurling championship, but I'd hazard it's a lot more than the $40 a day I got back in the noughties.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 27, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: heffo on November 27, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 27, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
I don't think anyone has an issue with IC players travelling and playing the exhibition games.
It's more than people in the travelling party who don't seem to have a particular reason for being there - see my previous post.
I do, in the absence of an explanation as to where the money goes
The players will get a daily allowance I'd suggest and I'm basing that on what we got when travelling to NYC when they were in the old Ulster hurling championship, but I'd hazard it's a lot more than the $40 a day I got back in the noughties.
International rules daily allowance was €100 a day back in the early 00's
Quote from: heffo on November 27, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 27, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: heffo on November 27, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 27, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on November 26, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Beffs on November 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Paul Flynn really can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer if he can't see how flying dozens and dozens of people over to the US every year looks terrible, when there are clubhouses up & down the country without running water, hot showers, proper dressing rooms, enough equipment etc etc
All Star trips and the annual team holiday for AI winners are one thing. I don't think anyone has a problem with them. At least I don't. But spending truck loads of money on junkets (with loads of hangers on) to play a bastardized version of hurling that serves no purpose whatsoever, does not sit well with people.
The money could be better spent elsewhere, whether it's their own money, the GAA's or the sponsors. If he can't see that, it's a damming inditement of just how out of touch with reality he & the rest of the GPA are.
I don't think the GPA ever pretended to have anything to do with anything other than intercounty players.
I know that.
But the wider population are ordinary rank and file GAA club members. They are the ones who see how hard life is at grass roots level. They are the ones who have a problem with all these US junkets & they are the people Paul Flynn doesn't seem to understand having a problem.
Fair play for admitting that Beffs. It's plain old mindless begrudgery! Who do these fookers think they are swanning off to New York where Irish Americans give give them a load of dosh.
Instead what should be done, is a random draw among all club members where 60 players from around the country are picked to go to the US to play a match where the yanks can pay $80 a ticket and thousands for dinner to meet these great club people.
And all the excess proceeds can go to the list of clubs that Beffs is going to tell us about that don't even have running water.
What a marvellous idea. I'm sure it's a winner.
It is amazing how begrudgery makes people forget to switch on their brains
I don't think anyone has an issue with IC players travelling and playing the exhibition games.
It's more than people in the travelling party who don't seem to have a particular reason for being there - see my previous post.
I do, in the absence of an explanation as to where the money goes
The players will get a daily allowance I'd suggest and I'm basing that on what we got when travelling to NYC when they were in the old Ulster hurling championship, but I'd hazard it's a lot more than the $40 a day I got back in the noughties.
International rules daily allowance was €100 a day back in the early 00's
What? The durty bastids...
Wait till I see Seany Kelly the Kerry hoor who was out on one of those trips....
Anyone watch the Sunday game last night?
What was the thoughts on the GPA strike to the media over expenses?
Tom Parsons gave the argument for the strike, Colm O'Rourke argued against it & Gooch sat on the fence.
Quote from: toby47 on March 14, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
Anyone watch the Sunday game last night?
What was the thoughts on the GPA strike to the media over expenses?
Tom Parsons gave the argument for the strike, Colm O'Rourke argued against it & Gooch sat on the fence.
I would agree with O'Rourke
65c for 3 to 4 sessions a week is ample - training teams more than that is defeating the idea of the sport and he makes a valid point about 97% of the people playing the game don't get anything.
Let them pull all there players and let all counties field teams with players not associated to the GPA..... I bet it would be more entertaining championship!!!! :)
Watched it!
Few thoughts.
First, talking about the GAA as if GPA members are not members of the GAA. I cannot stand this. It is presented as if the GAA is a separate entity that is taking advantage of the players.
Second, it was clear there were a number of prepared lines to curry favour with the public and one was, look at the money the GAA is making. This was mentioned at least twice.
Third, they seem to forget that the players are privileged to play for their counties - if they do not enjoy it, why don't they stop. No one is making them play what is an amateur sport.
Fourth, how many teams are collectively training more than four nights a week? Why would four nights not be enough to cover expenses. To leave it open ended would be to open it to abuse or semi-professionalism as was rightly pointed out by O'Rourke. What is the GPA after here?
Finally, the GAA is 100% correct to resist GPA is demanding. I have no doubt that this is a long term project for some in the GPA where this is the thin end of the wedge. They will continually ask for more.
Certain guru's were critical of O'Rourke after his comments last night. Look where this increasingly professional approach and these gurus have taken the game - to a point where many people are complaining that it isn't worth watching.
You have to ask what is it all about?
But the GAA have a problem:
Clubs and Counties have opened the door to every Tom, Dick and Harry to suck money out of the system, either directly from the GAA or through communities that fundraise. GAA clubs and counties have been foolish enough to pay it, whether it is for management, coaching, coaching coaches, video analysis and all sorts of other business ventures.
The GAA has let all of this go and why would anyone be surprised when the players want a piece of the action.
The GAA needs to have a damn good look at what it now means to be an amateur organisation and it needs to renew its commitment to amateurism.
Quote from: APM on March 14, 2022, 05:03:25 PM
Watched it!
Few thoughts.
First, talking about the GAA as if GPA members are not members of the GAA. I cannot stand this. It is presented as if the GAA is a separate entity that is taking advantage of the players.
Second, it was clear there were a number of prepared lines to curry favour with the public and one was, look at the money the GAA is making. This was mentioned at least twice.
Third, they seem to forget that the players are privileged to play for their counties - if they do not enjoy it, why don't they stop. No one is making them play what is an amateur sport.
Fourth, how many teams are collectively training more than four nights a week? Why would four nights not be enough to cover expenses. To leave it open ended would be to open it to abuse or semi-professionalism as was rightly pointed out by O'Rourke. What is the GPA after here?
Finally, the GAA is 100% correct to resist GPA is demanding. I have no doubt that this is a long term project for some in the GPA where this is the thin end of the wedge. They will continually ask for more.
Certain guru's were critical of O'Rourke after his comments last night. Look where this increasingly professional approach and these gurus have taken the game - to a point where many people are complaining that it isn't worth watching.
You have to ask what is it all about?
But the GAA have a problem:
Clubs and Counties have opened the door to every Tom, Dick and Harry to suck money out of the system, either directly from the GAA or through communities that fundraise. GAA clubs and counties have been foolish enough to pay it, whether it is for management, coaching, coaching coaches, video analysis and all sorts of other business ventures.
The GAA has let all of this go and why would anyone be surprised when the players want a piece of the action.
The GAA needs to have a damn good look at what it now means to be an amateur organisation and it needs to renew its commitment to amateurism.
I suppose the counter argument is that there are huge amounts of people from within the top gaa hierarchy and including strength and conditioning coaches, physios, commentators etc etc all making money from the GAA while the players who we psy to watch are making very little.
I do however agree with a restriction on training, it gets to the stage where more training has a negative effect.
Quote from: APM on March 14, 2022, 05:03:25 PM
Watched it!
But the GAA have a problem:
Clubs and Counties have opened the door to every Tom, Dick and Harry to suck money out of the system, either directly from the GAA or through communities that fundraise. GAA clubs and counties have been foolish enough to pay it, whether it is for management, coaching, coaching coaches, video analysis and all sorts of other business ventures.
The GAA has let all of this go and why would anyone be surprised when the players want a piece of the action.
The GAA needs to have a damn good look at what it now means to be an amateur organisation and it needs to renew its commitment to amateurism.
Absolutely spot on, I'm managing my local adult football team this year, both myself and the lad who is in as coach with me are local and don't want nor will we receive any money. Maybe we'll have an allright season and someone will say thanks at the AGM or club social. But sitting through last years AGMs its a bit gauling when I see the sums that were handed over last season and in other seasons for management and coaching. I don't want any money but wtf are clubs paying these people for? I know the answer is "success" but 90% of them arent successful, its a huge drain on clubs not to mention the county board finances for the big bucks IC manager.
also its only a matter of time before revenue get their teeth into this, its on the annual financial report of every club in the country
It may just be shadow boxing ahead of negotiations.
Money isn't flúirseach in a lot of homes and whatever is agreed must be sustainable.
I know it's easy for younger lads on Twitter to roar dinosaur at O'Rourke and that he is living in the past BUT do the GPA not preach about work/life balance.
So, should the GPA be having a go at the county managers flogging their lads - wanting them out five times a week? Should they not be having a go at the same managers for calling trainings at 6am and all that other shite?
Do you know of any lads here from all our counties who have lost out majorly? In fact any lads I know had one or two scholarships and got jobs in decent companies with doors opened for them.
And best of luck to them. I genuinely think they deserve every perk, but there has to be a point where it stops.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 14, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
I know it's easy for younger lads on Twitter to roar dinosaur at O'Rourke and that he is living in the past BUT do the GPA not preach about work/life balance.
So, should the GPA be having a go at the county managers flogging their lads - wanting them out five times a week? Should they not be having a go at the same managers for calling trainings at 6am and all that other shite?
Do you know of any lads here from all our counties who have lost out majorly? In fact any lads I know had one or two scholarships and got jobs in decent companies with doors opened for them.
And best of luck to them. I genuinely think they deserve every perk, but there has to be a point where it stops.
That's a really important point that you've made. Their position on this is completely incoherent.
If you support work/life/training balance, why would you tolerate training 10 times a week - Did Tom Parsons not actually say that whether a player is training 2 or 10 times, it should make no difference - that they should be paid expenses?
Training 10 times a week is to train twice daily, at least three times a week and if you take account of games and rest, it is really training twice daily 5 days a week. This is the lifestyle of a professional athlete.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 14, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
I know it's easy for younger lads on Twitter to roar dinosaur at O'Rourke and that he is living in the past BUT do the GPA not preach about work/life balance.
So, should the GPA be having a go at the county managers flogging their lads - wanting them out five times a week? Should they not be having a go at the same managers for calling trainings at 6am and all that other shite?
Do you know of any lads here from all our counties who have lost out majorly? In fact any lads I know had one or two scholarships and got jobs in decent companies with doors opened for them.
And best of luck to them. I genuinely think they deserve every perk, but there has to be a point where it stops.
Excellent
This is an accounting issue.
Tom Ryan has the gimp of an accountant.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/The GAA has confirmed that it will cover up to four collective gatherings per week for player mileage expenses - but anything in excess of this will be borne by individual counties.
And the GAA says that the mileage rate for any additional training sessions/games will now be required to be negotiated locally between each county and their players.
In a circular to counties this evening, GAA Director-General Tom Ryan said: "For the purposes of clarity, the sole difference between the 2022 Charter, and the Charter that was in place pre-covid, is that the 65c per mile expense rate provided for in the new charter covers up to four collective training sessions/games per week only.
"The metric of up to four collective sessions is arrived at following consultation with yourselves (counties) in recent weeks and represents a level that is sustainable for counties and for players alike."
If 4 lads get to training in one car, do all 4 claim mileage?
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:15 AM
If 4 lads get to training in one car, do all 4 claim mileage?
In Derry, I believe yes
Yes
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
I have the feeling that Parsons is tearing the arse out of this.
That's a very fair response from the GAA and quoting the ESRI back at them and even some of their own surveys shows lads want to be training less.
As I said after all these years it is the most pressing issue for county players and they never go to war over it. Also, and I see it on Twitter that people are after O'Rourke because RTÉ are paying him...sure Parsons is on big money judging by the fact that average GPA wage is 65k for ten employees...where does that come from?
I'd like to see them go to war with county managers over what is being asked of lads. That's the real player welfare issue.
The 2017 ESRI report included the involvement of the GPA. You couldn't make it up
https://www.esri.ie/news/joint-gaagpaesri-research-project-aims-to-support-welfare-of-inter-county-players
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
It's genuinely laughable that GPA stalwarts keep highlighting O'Rourke's salary, as if somehow by extension of playing an amateur sport, they cannot have a professional career outside the association. Perhaps same folks believe that doctors who operate on GAA players should do it for free too?
Clowns.
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The GPA, in a way that seems hardwired into their DNA, once again misjudge the aptitude of GAA top brass, and the consensus of the general public.
In summary, if you want a semi pro game lads, where you train 8 times a week, then f**k off and create one for yourselves.
Doubt if any semi pros train more than twice a week with game at the weekend.
Most of them have jobs too.
As for issue at hand.... how does not talking to media further their cause?
Parsons also tried to keep making the point of GAA surplus like it was being shared out to corporate shareholders. The surplus they make is put back into Capital Projects and Games Development.
Irish News' Cahair O'Kane covered it well in today's paper:
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/15/news/kicking-out-gpa-s-key-fumbling-at-an-open-door-leaves-serious-questions-2614746/
It would be worth asking if some of the those out voicing support for the GPA or critical of the GAA / Colm O'Rourke are:
1. Drawing an income themselves from GAA related activities
2. Engaged in the kind of intensive coaching requirements mentioned in the ESRI report
Quote from: johnnycool on March 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
Yeah. My question is how fit can lads get? Surely they must get to a certain fitness level then maintain that through the season - just by playing games on a week to week basis. In the new system, this should work ok. Previous to this, there was a gap of say 3 weeks/1 month before their next game and they were then flecced.
If you look at soccer or rugby for example, players do a pre-season and work on the fitness then just maintain it through the year by playing matches. Obviously they still train during the week but it's more about touch, tactical plays and set pieces etc.
You would hope that no gaa players are training 5 or 6 times a week now - what's the benefit? Is it for the manager's 'benefit'?
One more thing, why are club leagues/competitions etc. starting so early? I thought they wouldn't be starting until May/early June time now wirh the split season. Where's the player welfare there to the club players? I mean, early season competitions e.g. Ulster League started in Feb. so lads probably training a bit before that. Then club championship will not be until September. Is this 'new' club season really any different to the previous ones?
At the higher level tactics are now a very big thing so you'd have to imagine county teams would spend lots of time preparing that kind of thing.
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
Yeah. My question is how fit can lads get? Surely they must get to a certain fitness level then maintain that through the season - just by playing games on a week to week basis. In the new system, this should work ok. Previous to this, there was a gap of say 3 weeks/1 month before their next game and they were then flecced.
If you look at soccer or rugby for example, players do a pre-season and work on the fitness then just maintain it through the year by playing matches. Obviously they still train during the week but it's more about touch, tactical plays and set pieces etc.
You would hope that no gaa players are training 5 or 6 times a week now - what's the benefit? Is it for the manager's 'benefit'?
One more thing, why are club leagues/competitions etc. starting so early? I thought they wouldn't be starting until May/early June time now wirh the split season. Where's the player welfare there to the club players? I mean, early season competitions e.g. Ulster League started in Feb. so lads probably training a bit before that. Then club championship will not be until September. Is this 'new' club season really any different to the previous ones?
I thought the Ulster league started back way too soon myself as players are actually going to have even less of a break between seasons.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2022, 10:54:36 AM
Doubt if any semi pros train more than twice a week with game at the weekend.
Most of them have jobs too.
As for issue at hand.... how does not talking to media further their cause?
Including gym and recovery sessions? Gonna be more than 2 sessions a week. 65c a mile for 4 sessions a week is loads though especially since most lads will car share and everyone will still claim.
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
Yeah. My question is how fit can lads get? Surely they must get to a certain fitness level then maintain that through the season - just by playing games on a week to week basis. In the new system, this should work ok. Previous to this, there was a gap of say 3 weeks/1 month before their next game and they were then flecced.
If you look at soccer or rugby for example, players do a pre-season and work on the fitness then just maintain it through the year by playing matches. Obviously they still train during the week but it's more about touch, tactical plays and set pieces etc.
You would hope that no gaa players are training 5 or 6 times a week now - what's the benefit? Is it for the manager's 'benefit'?
One more thing, why are club leagues/competitions etc. starting so early? I thought they wouldn't be starting until May/early June time now wirh the split season. Where's the player welfare there to the club players? I mean, early season competitions e.g. Ulster League started in Feb. so lads probably training a bit before that. Then club championship will not be until September. Is this 'new' club season really any different to the previous ones?
Why would club players want to be sitting on their hole until May?
Finishing off their soccer season?
With the new " split season" Counties need to play their Club Leagues without Co players from 1st March to round the end if June.
July for holidays and training re integrating the County lads for Championships Aug/September.
There is a straightforward solution to it all, but no-one wants to talk about it never mind actually grasp the nettle.
1. All championships (both county and inter-county) revert to straight knockout. Less fixtures.
2. No inter-county squads are allowed more than 1 training session per week. If players want to go and run up hills or lift weights to their 'personalised training programs', that's their call. The "work-life" balance option is there if they choose it.
3. Inter-county managers are not allowed to prevent their players playing for their club unless the inter-county game is less than 7 days after the club game.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2022, 11:42:04 AM
Finishing off their soccer season?
With the new " split season" Counties need to play their Club Leagues without Co players from 1st March to round the end if June.
July for holidays and training re integrating the County lads for Championships Aug/September.
Mayo's leagues don't start till June.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
There is a straightforward solution to it all, but no-one wants to talk about it never mind actually grasp the nettle.
1. All championships (both county and inter-county) revert to straight knockout. Less fixtures.
2. No inter-county squads are allowed more than 1 training session per week. If players want to go and run up hills or lift weights to their 'personalised training programs', that's their call. The "work-life" balance option is there if they choose it.
3. Inter-county managers are not allowed to prevent their players playing for their club unless the inter-county game is less than 7 days after the club game.
And the Bishop throws in the ball....
Quote from: clarshack on March 15, 2022, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
Yeah. My question is how fit can lads get? Surely they must get to a certain fitness level then maintain that through the season - just by playing games on a week to week basis. In the new system, this should work ok. Previous to this, there was a gap of say 3 weeks/1 month before their next game and they were then flecced.
If you look at soccer or rugby for example, players do a pre-season and work on the fitness then just maintain it through the year by playing matches. Obviously they still train during the week but it's more about touch, tactical plays and set pieces etc.
You would hope that no gaa players are training 5 or 6 times a week now - what's the benefit? Is it for the manager's 'benefit'?
One more thing, why are club leagues/competitions etc. starting so early? I thought they wouldn't be starting until May/early June time now wirh the split season. Where's the player welfare there to the club players? I mean, early season competitions e.g. Ulster League started in Feb. so lads probably training a bit before that. Then club championship will not be until September. Is this 'new' club season really any different to the previous ones?
I thought the Ulster league started back way too soon myself as players are actually going to have even less of a break between seasons.
Yeah, madness and all this this talk of burn out and player welfare, yet the 'new' split club season is, in reality, no different from the old one.
Why are club players training in Feb, then playing all the way through to Sept/Oct? I see a good few games in that Ulster League have been conceded by clubs.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 15, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0314/1286412-gaa-to-cover-mileage-for-four-sessions-per-week/Ryan also referenced the 2017 ESRI Report which highlighted two major concerns for players.
The first was the need for a reduction in the ratio of training versus games.
He pointed out that the move to a split season combined with the introduction of Round Robin championships have been positive moves in this context.
"The other major issue highlighted was that the time commitment issue needs to be examined to ensure that our games are played in a way that enables players to continue to enjoy them and that is not damaging to other aspects of their lives," he wrote.
One of the main reasons I like the condensed championships, one game every three weeks was allowing managers to slog their players to death over the spring and summer, now the better ones know they've a game if not weekly but with a weeks gap between them and plan accordingly with their recovery sessions and the likes.
Keeps the lunatics from having players running up hills in gutters and pushing cars round car parks.
Yeah. My question is how fit can lads get? Surely they must get to a certain fitness level then maintain that through the season - just by playing games on a week to week basis. In the new system, this should work ok. Previous to this, there was a gap of say 3 weeks/1 month before their next game and they were then flecced.
If you look at soccer or rugby for example, players do a pre-season and work on the fitness then just maintain it through the year by playing matches. Obviously they still train during the week but it's more about touch, tactical plays and set pieces etc.
You would hope that no gaa players are training 5 or 6 times a week now - what's the benefit? Is it for the manager's 'benefit'?
One more thing, why are club leagues/competitions etc. starting so early? I thought they wouldn't be starting until May/early June time now wirh the split season. Where's the player welfare there to the club players? I mean, early season competitions e.g. Ulster League started in Feb. so lads probably training a bit before that. Then club championship will not be until September. Is this 'new' club season really any different to the previous ones?
Why would club players want to be sitting on their hole until May?
Why wouldn't they? From April to championship starting in mid-September. A game every week.
There's supposed to be a split season you know or maybe you want club players fleeced from Jan - October?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
There is a straightforward solution to it all, but no-one wants to talk about it never mind actually grasp the nettle.
1. All championships (both county and inter-county) revert to straight knockout. Less fixtures.
2. No inter-county squads are allowed more than 1 training session per week. If players want to go and run up hills or lift weights to their 'personalised training programs', that's their call. The "work-life" balance option is there if they choose it.
3. Inter-county managers are not allowed to prevent their players playing for their club unless the inter-county game is less than 7 days after the club game.
And the Bishop throws in the ball....
Well as long as he's not throwing his ring in to be kissed :P
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40828646.html
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
65c a mile is a great rate and be employees/Co directors not getting it. Not even sure if revenue approved civil servant rate is higher than this. I think certain GPA learning players would be all over this and love to be getting money out if it. I would think and from talking to some that they happy with what they get.
Those not talking to the media will be running back to them soon when the championship previews are on and they looking the handouts from that.
By the way Parsons is very weak I feel making any case. His point that GAA making millions and quoting the figure is not a good look to be throwing it out in public.
Quote from: befair on March 15, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
It's the same in everything, parents start getting wee Jimmy tutored for 11+ then wee Micky is then its a must. GAA has followed strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports phycologists (now that is a piss take) one doing it all doing it - some lads making a fortune doing sweet FA.
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: befair on March 15, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
It's the same in everything, parents start getting wee Jimmy tutored for 11+ then wee Micky is then its a must. GAA has followed strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports phycologists (now that is a piss take) one doing it all doing it - some lads making a fortune doing sweet FA.
This is true. And the problem is in the GAA you can't take a step back from it, otherwise you slip back from the pack. The money that must be pumped into county teams to try and eek out that last .5% is unreal. If only all countries agreed to a framework that would be fair both on players time and individual county resources then the GAA would be in a much more positive position. Both with regards to public opinion and players welfares and life balances. Unfortunately that would mean stopping the gravy train and levelling the playing fields to a degree between counties. Will never happen.
Quote from: Louther on March 15, 2022, 01:57:11 PM
65c a mile is a great rate and be employees/Co directors not getting it. Not even sure if revenue approved civil servant rate is higher than this. I think certain GPA learning players would be all over this and love to be getting money out if it. I would think and from talking to some that they happy with what they get.
Those not talking to the media will be running back to them soon when the championship previews are on and they looking the handouts from that.
By the way Parsons is very weak I feel making any case. His point that GAA making millions and quoting the figure is not a good look to be throwing it out in public.
I agree. The GAA organised 4 sessions with anything extra to be negotiated with counties.
It's all addressed
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 15, 2022, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: befair on March 15, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
It's the same in everything, parents start getting wee Jimmy tutored for 11+ then wee Micky is then its a must. GAA has followed strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports phycologists (now that is a piss take) one doing it all doing it - some lads making a fortune doing sweet FA.
This is true. And the problem is in the GAA you can't take a step back from it, otherwise you slip back from the pack. The money that must be pumped into county teams to try and eek out that last .5% is unreal. If only all countries agreed to a framework that would be fair both on players time and individual county resources then the GAA would be in a much more positive position. Both with regards to public opinion and players welfares and life balances. Unfortunately that would mean stopping the gravy train and levelling the playing fields to a degree between counties. Will never happen.
Clubs shoulds be putting all their emphasis into the under age teams i.e. nusery and U7.5's etc. This is where all the coaching should be done.
Currently it's the wrong way about - currently clubs are spending £'s on coaches and S&C etc for the senior team. The question needs to be asked why fund this? It's the wrong way about - a short fix...then in a year or two, they move on. Then it's repeat and do the same.....again and again.
Committee at club level muat change their policy and develop a proper underage coaching structure. Nursery needs about 1 coach to 1 child, U7.5 the exact same. Club committees, I think, just don't get it. They always want a short fix solution.
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 15, 2022, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: befair on March 15, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
It's the same in everything, parents start getting wee Jimmy tutored for 11+ then wee Micky is then its a must. GAA has followed strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports phycologists (now that is a piss take) one doing it all doing it - some lads making a fortune doing sweet FA.
This is true. And the problem is in the GAA you can't take a step back from it, otherwise you slip back from the pack. The money that must be pumped into county teams to try and eek out that last .5% is unreal. If only all countries agreed to a framework that would be fair both on players time and individual county resources then the GAA would be in a much more positive position. Both with regards to public opinion and players welfares and life balances. Unfortunately that would mean stopping the gravy train and levelling the playing fields to a degree between counties. Will never happen.
Clubs shoulds be putting all their emphasis into the under age teams i.e. nusery and U7.5's etc. This is where all the coaching should be done.
Currently it's the wrong way about - currently clubs are spending £'s on coaches and S&C etc for the senior team. The question needs to be asked why fund this? It's the wrong way about - a short fix...then in a year or two, they move on. Then it's repeat and do the same.....again and again.
Committee at club level muat change their policy and develop a proper underage coaching structure. Nursery needs about 1 coach to 1 child, U7.5 the exact same. Club committees, I think, just don't get it. They always want a short fix solution.
Yeah I agree. The underage should be the primary focus for any club with long term objectives. But the problem is the journey manager that is in the door and has 1-2 years to make an impact. It's not in their interest to worry bout 10 years down the line. And some clubs are unbelievably gullible when it comes to outside managers. Offering everything under the sun to try and get the big name.
Plus you'll have clubs who will have their underage in order, and then they turn to the senior team. Getting in trainers as well as managers, nutritionists, etc. there's always something new to be getting excited about and splashing a few pounds on from cryotherapy ice treatments to nutrition plans that won't be followed by half the players anyway.
It's the world we are in at the minute. Fast results required.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 15, 2022, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 15, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 15, 2022, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: befair on March 15, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
The absurd lengths that some counties go to mean that all counties have to do the same; it's running to stand still. Football is a hobby and only the tiniest minority will make any kind of living from it. So in their twenties, when they should be travelling the world, launching their real careers, they are instead locked into a spartan existence.
Football is a hobby.
It's the same in everything, parents start getting wee Jimmy tutored for 11+ then wee Micky is then its a must. GAA has followed strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports phycologists (now that is a piss take) one doing it all doing it - some lads making a fortune doing sweet FA.
This is true. And the problem is in the GAA you can't take a step back from it, otherwise you slip back from the pack. The money that must be pumped into county teams to try and eek out that last .5% is unreal. If only all countries agreed to a framework that would be fair both on players time and individual county resources then the GAA would be in a much more positive position. Both with regards to public opinion and players welfares and life balances. Unfortunately that would mean stopping the gravy train and levelling the playing fields to a degree between counties. Will never happen.
Clubs shoulds be putting all their emphasis into the under age teams i.e. nusery and U7.5's etc. This is where all the coaching should be done.
Currently it's the wrong way about - currently clubs are spending £'s on coaches and S&C etc for the senior team. The question needs to be asked why fund this? It's the wrong way about - a short fix...then in a year or two, they move on. Then it's repeat and do the same.....again and again.
Committee at club level muat change their policy and develop a proper underage coaching structure. Nursery needs about 1 coach to 1 child, U7.5 the exact same. Club committees, I think, just don't get it. They always want a short fix solution.
Yeah I agree. The underage should be the primary focus for any club with long term objectives. But the problem is the journey manager that is in the door and has 1-2 years to make an impact. It's not in their interest to worry bout 10 years down the line. And some clubs are unbelievably gullible when it comes to outside managers. Offering everything under the sun to try and get the big name.
Plus you'll have clubs who will have their underage in order, and then they turn to the senior team. Getting in trainers as well as managers, nutritionists, etc. there's always something new to be getting excited about and splashing a few pounds on from cryotherapy ice treatments to nutrition plans that won't be followed by half the players anyway.
It's the world we are in at the minute. Fast results required.
Clearly this isn't working for clubs. There is no fast results.
But that's what I'm saying Trueblue - the issue, via my last message, is with the club committee. It's them who apooint the journey man, the short fix before he rolls on to his next gig.
They're the ones who should be shouting STOP - lwt's focus on the underage and by that the nursery and pump the coaches in there. It's them who should be getting all the resources that then need. It's the committee who should be putting a 15 year plan in place to develop the underage system and that everyone in the club buys into.
There's not many club have their underage system in place - there might be the odd good team who'll win U13, then win the U15's etc. but their very litlle who dominate every age group or at least be competitive. Even at that can they keep them on board and being them through to senior.
Donal O'Neill was on Off the Ball saying tge GAA need to be put back in their box...
Also everyone who works for the GAA is a suit. But the GPA suits aee not suits...
the GPA cannot go back o the tabl until evey concession they made for covidis restore . if Croke park run rough shot over them they are finished.
it must have been galling for them to hear the Suit boasting about how much money they made last year.
Quote from: rosnarun on March 16, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
the GPA cannot go back o the tabl until evey concession they made for covidis restore . if Croke park run rough shot over them they are finished.
it must have been galling for them to hear the Suit boasting about how much money they made last year.
GPA are neutered once they accepted the Croke Park €uro's..
They might gurn a bit but they won't bite the hand that feeds it.
They've picked the wrong hill to die on this time IMO.
Is Tom Parsons not a suit on around 100k or more a year?
I don't see any individual hard cases being pout forward either. Surely if a story is to be told you need a personal viewpoint of how bad they have it.
Surely if a proper audit was carried out players wouldnt get mileage for car sharing?
No reason a team can't train just 2 times a, week then 1 with their club teams. It's a money racket all at the top level, more sessions more money, more backroom support teams. Every top level club fball went the same, way, yet only 1 team will win respective championships.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
There is a straightforward solution to it all, but no-one wants to talk about it never mind actually grasp the nettle.
1. All championships (both county and inter-county) revert to straight knockout. Less fixtures.
2. No inter-county squads are allowed more than 1 training session per week. If players want to go and run up hills or lift weights to their 'personalised training programs', that's their call. The "work-life" balance option is there if they choose it.
3. Inter-county managers are not allowed to prevent their players playing for their club unless the inter-county game is less than 7 days after the club game.
And the Bishop throws in the ball....
Like I said, no-one wants to talk about it.
The largest problem with inter-county football (and hurling too I suspect) right now is that the time commitment is too much.
Too much for players (who don't have a cushy job) to have much of a life outside it, too much for coaches to take on the job for any extended duration without expectations of pay.
Problem now is the standard of the game. If you look at now vs 80s or 90s the standards have improved so much and that is due to the preparation and tactics etc. Reduce the training and you reduce the standard. Reduce the standard and you probably reduce the money coming in too.
It has created a massive divide between the better and lesser counties because lesser counties have no chance of winning so then large numbers don't commit. How many threads do you read on this board with players quitting teams? Even Dublin and Tyrone have it.
Too much preparation as people say but how does it get reined in. I doubt it does. Even lockdown it was clear as day teams were breaching the rules left, right and centre. How could they police sessions in a week.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2022, 08:57:07 PMReduce the standard and you probably reduce the money coming in too.
... and?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2022, 08:57:07 PM
Even lockdown it was clear as day teams were breaching the rules left, right and centre. How could they police sessions in a week.
Good question. Really good question. You'd expect word to seep out eventually, but its then catching squads in the act.
But you'd definitely put the GPA in their box as they'd have no grounds to gurn about the time they spend on the sport. If its too much, its self-admission of wrongdoing.
Reduce the standard. I argue the standard no better than the 90's I actually said its worse. Meath, Kildare, Down, Derry, Cork, Galway,Laois, all were better teams then compared to now no matter how much you train the current crop. .back then at least a forward coukd take a free on the ground, no they need the keepers.
When in the lockdown and "" it was clear as day teams were breaching the rules left, right and centre.""
Somebody Needs to Ask Parsons Were the players ""being compensated for loss of wages "" then, when they weren't suppose to be training , and if so Who was Compensating them ?? And if not did they not care then ??
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 16, 2022, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2022, 08:57:07 PMReduce the standard and you probably reduce the money coming in too.
... and?
No problem with reducing money. Not saying it's me has the problem with it! The super 8s, which were a terrible idea, made it clear to me how much the whole thing had become about money.
Ww it's different now. The game is about "process" and there has become significant risk aversion. You watch the good Dublin team and they just kept ball until they worked into scorable position with a high chance of scoring. Other teams try but only Dublin were good enough to continually work into a good enough position. That kind of thing is killing the game. I went to a game in the lowest division in my own county and one team, who were getting hammered, had three sweepers.
During lockdown I watched the 94 down Derry game, which I was at at the time, and it was fantastic but what was apparent to me was that when defenders got the ball it wasn't keep possession at all costs it was get the ball up the field and if it was lost so be it.
I actually think by reducing the training to 2 collective trainings a week it would close some of the gaps appearing. In smaller counties the average age of players is very young, the reason being players with busy jobs and or young families have to prioritise these over football commitments, look at some of the so called weaker counties their average age would be younger than bigger counties. Less commitment will make it easier for smaller counties to get better players to commit which could make them a bit more competitive and actually raise the standard
Agreed. Can't see it happening though but surely there has to come a point where it is just unsustainable.
Quote from: themac_23 on March 17, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
I actually think by reducing the training to 2 collective trainings a week it would close some of the gaps appearing.
Exactly.
The question is, as TommyGunn correctly pointed out - how?
The dogs in the street will know X, Y and Z are training 4 nights a week, but how do you prove it?
[IMO, the only useful sanction that would deter would be instant dismissal from that year's championship - and/or the next year*]
*otherwise you'll get smart cnts waging they'd never chuck you out if you were in the AI final and trained 5 nights the week before it.
Joe Brollys column into Gaelic life is excellent abot the gpa
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2022, 08:57:07 PM
Problem now is the standard of the game. If you look at now vs 80s or 90s the standards have improved so much and that is due to the preparation and tactics etc. Reduce the training and you reduce the standard. Reduce the standard and you probably reduce the money coming in too.
It has created a massive divide between the better and lesser counties because lesser counties have no chance of winning so then large numbers don't commit. How many threads do you read on this board with players quitting teams? Even Dublin and Tyrone have it.
Too much preparation as people say but how does it get reined in. I doubt it does. Even lockdown it was clear as day teams were breaching the rules left, right and centre. How could they police sessions in a week.
Is quality more important than competition ? Quality costs money which is not distributed equally.
The GPA have instructed their members to do no tv interviews or promotion of the championship for the foreseeable. This is explicitly to target GAA sponsors who will get less tv exposure. Cost Croker money to force them to spend money they don't have to semi professionalise the games. Magic.
Parkinson also wants dropped players to get expenses and no upper limit to how many players on a panel. He does have a point that the expenses only apply within your county. The trip from Dublin to the county border isn't part of the scheme.
This is a perfectly good opportunity for the GAA to pull all expenses and grants. It's an amateur game, if the players want paying they can move to Australia. Spend the money on facilities.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 26, 2022, 03:32:47 PM
The GPA have instructed their members to do no tv interviews or promotion of the championship for the foreseeable. This is explicitly to target GAA sponsors who will get less tv exposure. Cost Croker money to force them to spend money they don't have to semi professionalise the games. Magic.
Parkinson also wants dropped players to get expenses and no upper limit to how many players on a panel. He does have a point that the expenses only apply within your county. The trip from Dublin to the county border isn't part of the scheme.
This is a perfectly good opportunity for the GAA to pull all expenses and grants. It's an amateur game, if the players want paying they can move to Australia. Spend the money on facilities.
There it is.... The dumbest idea I have heard this year.
There's no need for any player to be training more than 4 times a week,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 26, 2022, 06:09:37 PM
There's no need for any player to be training more than 4 times a week,
Agreed. The simple solution is for the gaa to enforce a maximum number of training sessions per week. Say 3 and if anyone is in breach of it fine them. It won't stop the County boards organising "personal" sessions for each player but it is a start.
I used to go 6 times a week to the gym, I found performance and time spend dropped after session 3, so I dropped to 5 then 4.basically 2 then gap day, 2 then gap day, and I actually improved on lifting and power, and extra time spend, I was burning myself out and not giving time to recover.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 26, 2022, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 26, 2022, 03:32:47 PM
The GPA have instructed their members to do no tv interviews or promotion of the championship for the foreseeable. This is explicitly to target GAA sponsors who will get less tv exposure. Cost Croker money to force them to spend money they don't have to semi professionalise the games. Magic.
Parkinson also wants dropped players to get expenses and no upper limit to how many players on a panel. He does have a point that the expenses only apply within your county. The trip from Dublin to the county border isn't part of the scheme.
This is a perfectly good opportunity for the GAA to pull all expenses and grants. It's an amateur game, if the players want paying they can move to Australia. Spend the money on facilities.
There it is.... The dumbest idea I have heard this year.
Which one? That every player called up for any training sessions gets the full whack or an unlimited number of players getting paid?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 12:20:12 AM
I used to go 6 times a week to the gym, I found performance and time spend dropped after session 3, so I dropped to 5 then 4.basically 2 then gap day, 2 then gap day, and I actually improved on lifting and power, and extra time spend, I was burning myself out and not giving time to recover.
I use to go 3 times a week, then my son passed his driving test so I don't go anymore. ;D
The media nights before the league finals are cancelled. I am devastated!
How will I know if Clifford thinks that Mayo are having a great year with lads coming back in.
Or if Lee Keegan in turn thinks Clifford is a great player, but there are loads more to watch!
Was it Kieran Cunningham who avoided all press nights one year and went chatting older players and got great stories.
Overall, surely this is counterintuitive for the players if they want to benefit from their profile.
"That performance yesterday wont win anything the next day"
The GPA are in a fairly weak position.
If it goes on for a while players will lose interest.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 28, 2022, 08:39:44 PM
The media nights before the league finals are cancelled. I am devastated!
How will I know if Clifford thinks that Mayo are having a great year with lads coming back in.
Or if Lee Keegan in turn thinks Clifford is a great player, but there are loads more to watch!
Was it Kieran Cunningham who avoided all press nights one year and went chatting older players and got great stories.
Overall, surely this is counterintuitive for the players if they want to benefit from their profile.
Is this really their ace in the hole? Completely toothless.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 26, 2022, 06:09:37 PM
There's no need for any player to be training more than 4 times a week,
maybe but who pays the piper if they are call into central training or meetings or indeed Physio for injured players more often .
Does it have to be they player rather than the organization?
Also are the GAA a reliable partner to deal with or do they Renage on agreement given half a chance
these i think are the Crux of the GPA argument
Quote from: rosnarun on March 30, 2022, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 26, 2022, 06:09:37 PM
There's no need for any player to be training more than 4 times a week,
maybe but who pays the piper if they are call into central training or meetings or indeed Physio for injured players more often .
Does it have to be they player rather than the organization?
Also are the GAA a reliable partner to deal with or do they Renage on agreement given half a chance
these i think are the Crux of the GPA argument
Zoom meetings? Cuts down on travel expenses a lot
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2022, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 30, 2022, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 26, 2022, 06:09:37 PM
There's no need for any player to be training more than 4 times a week,
maybe but who pays the piper if they are call into central training or meetings or indeed Physio for injured players more often .
Does it have to be they player rather than the organization?
Also are the GAA a reliable partner to deal with or do they Renage on agreement given half a chance
these i think are the Crux of the GPA argument
Zoom meetings? Cuts down on travel expenses a lot
If training more than 4 nights a week (say 3 training sessions and 1 game) would that not be classed as burn out?
I thought this was one of the main points of the GPA? To cut down to burnout/player welfare?
Is the ban lifted? I see Clifford on Off the Ball and Geaoid Hegarty chatting RTÉ.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 12, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Is the ban lifted? I see Clifford on Off the Ball and Geaoid Hegarty chatting RTÉ.
Their own sponsors probably told them theur obligations
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 12, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Is the ban lifted? I see Clifford on Off the Ball and Geaoid Hegarty chatting RTÉ.
No - the GPA ban was only for certain things - I'm nearly certain that it was just media activity on match days and media activity in relation to the various championship launches.
This gave them room if they wanted to escalate things down the road.