Tyrone County Football and Hurling

Started by Fear ón Srath Bán, April 01, 2007, 05:58:31 PM

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Norf Tyrone

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 17, 2017, 08:43:53 PM
Nearly sure the quarters last year started at 4 and 6. Should be the same this year?

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Owen Roe O'Neills GAC, Leckpatrick, Tyrone

Redhand Santa

This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.


WT4E

With Sean Cavanagh under performing this year and not playing as a team player at times is it time for him to be dropped? Could be a useful impact sub but would take big balls to drop him at this stage in his final season.

sensethetone

Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 10:16:47 AM
With Sean Cavanagh under performing this year and not playing as a team player at times is it time for him to be dropped? Could be a useful impact sub but would take big balls to drop him at this stage in his final season.

You'd still hope big Sean can turn it on and not be holding him in reserve.


omagh_gael

There is logic in holding him back for the last 25 minutes considering his form of late but he does keep the opposition defence busy and, IMO, thrives in Croke Park. He is the epitome of the big game player and I'm sure his performance will get better from now on.

On a side note, big day for my adopted home club. We (Loughmacrory) are hosting the media launch of the All Ireland series this afternoon from our clubrooms. GAA president will be there along with representatives from all the Provincial winning teams. Although, I popped over to the club this morning and there was word that Kerry won't have a rep there. Something about being too far away, but we all know they dung themselves at the sight of the red hands!

Fuzzman

I agree it's a big call whether to hold back Sean or not and in general I think no he should start, but my main argument was that should we meet the Dubs in the semi, it could be a huge boost to the team knowing that after 50 mins he was coming in fresh. He would be really chomping at the bit to get on and lift his team in that crucial final 20 mins where the Dubs usually unleash their cavalry to push them over the line.
Mickey has used his more natural scoring forwards as subs in the last 15-20 mins of games and so rather than Sean being pulled and dragged all game he would be coming in fresh and with a point to prove.

Good discussion RHSanta and too many of us forget those days when Tyrone were NOT a dominant force even in Ulster and so getting to Croke park was only a rare experience. Now we expect to at least make a quarterfinal every year.

I think the county board we right to hold off though to see would we come out of the shadow of Donegal (and maybe Monaghan) in Ulster. I think Mickey has listened a bit to the Tyrone people's views and has changed his ways a bit.
He brought in a new younger backroom team and we are playing a much more enjoyable brand of football this year I feel and are not so one dimensional. Other years you would expect them to always to short kick-outs and always to run the ball whereas this year there is some more long balls being kicked in.

Of course, should we lose the next game or against the Dubs then there will be those doubters again who just want him out no matter what he did but I can definitely say I've enjoyed watching our games a lot more this year than last year and there seems to be a feeling again that progress has been made.

Tyrone Gaa

Sean Cavanagh starting or being held back is a non story..  Sean will start if he's fit.  He's well capable of playing 70minutes championship football fitness or age isn't the issue.  Any opposition seeing a Tyrone 15 without Sean Cavanagh will automatically be buoyant and lifted. 

Cavanagh is up there with Canavan as our best ever.  If fit he starts 
Living the dream!!!

southtyronegael

Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.

Tyrone Gaa

Quote from: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 12:31:27 PM
Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.

Who are you and what have you done with southtyronegael???
Living the dream!!!

southtyronegael

Lol. I have him tied up in a dark room up in garvaghy.

Fuzzman

Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.

Tyrone Gaa

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.

Fuzz, from what I have seen to date I'm very confident with the current defensive structure in place.  Colm Cavanagh offers the necessary protection in front of goals and I have been impressed by the amount of times our defence turnover the opposition.  I don't think Sean not starting is even an option worth exploring, that would suggest he isn't capable of 70mins football???  Sean's role in the side is a new one.  I hate to see him in and around our half back line (where he tends to pick up the odd yellow).  He shouldn't be allowed to pass midfield and be that option for the out ball with Harte/McCann/Donnelly bombing forward in support.

I do feel against Dublin if we leave Bradley as the only inside man that could spell trouble we will be solely reliant on the running game that Dublin can easily match with the likes of Jack Mccaffery and James McCarthy
Living the dream!!!

omagh_gael

The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

Fuzzman

#4513
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner

lenny

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

So youse play Dublin in the qf then?