All Ireland semi finals on this weekend deserves a thread of its own.
Saturday
All-Ireland club IFC semi-finals
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) v Rathmore (Kerry), Páirc Uí Rinn, 2pm
Dunmore MacHales (Galway) v Galbally Pearses (Tyrone), St Loman's, Mullingar, 1:30pm
All-Ireland club JFC semi-finals
Castletown (Meath) v Fossa (Kerry), Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 2pm
Clifden (Galway) v Stewartstown Harps (Tyrone), Dr Hyde Park, 1pm
Sunday
All-Ireland club SFC semi-finals
Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin) v Kerins O'Rahilly's (Kerry), Croke Park, 1.30pm - TG4
Moycullen (Galway) v Glen (Derry), Croke Park, 3.30pm - TG4
Predictions:
Junior: Fossa and Stewartstown
Intermediate: Rathmore and Galbally
Senior: K Crokes and Glen (tightest 1 to call of the lot)
You'd expect Fossa and Rathmore to go all the way. They come from a naturally higher graded championship system in Kerry.
Kerins O'Rahilly's will have it tougher as they are on a more level playing field.
Kerins o'rahillys don't look great for provincial champions. I would say they will be lucky to get within 5 or 6 of kilmacaud.
The other game is intriguing. Hard to say who will win it
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Kerins o'rahillys don't look great for provincial champions. I would say they will be lucky to get within 5 or 6 of kilmacaud.
The other game is intriguing. Hard to say who will win it
An exciting weekend of football ahead, would be good to see the two Tyrone & Kerry clubs win through to their finals.
The senior semis look exciting, think the Crokes juggernaut will win it outright but KOR could spring a shock. The other semi is intriguing with two relative unknowns going head to head. I fancy Glen but only because they defeated the reigning AI champs
Is there commentary going on at the ground as well?
Stewartstown Harps and Clifden finished level 1-6 to 0-9. Extra time to be played.
This game could be going to a draw also, serious amount of wides for the Tyrone team
Galbally Pearses with a strong finish 1-2 to no score. FT 4-4 to 1-9
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
Galbally Pearses with a strong finish 1-2 to no score. FT 4-4 to 1-9
Point down with 1 of normal time remaining, but two great catches and superb goal settles it.
AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
We made hard work of that game, there were a lot of errors but it's an amazing experience to reach Croke Park in which we didn't get the chance in 2005.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2023, 03:09:04 PM
AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
Having seen Fossa in action today
They would be at a minimum top 4 in the laois senior championship and probably at least the same in half of the senior club championships in the country
Quote from: clonadmad on January 07, 2023, 04:29:42 PM
Having seen Fossa in action today
They would be at a minimum top 4 in the laois senior championship and probably at least the same in half of the senior club championships in the country
I'd say you could put the 2 cliffords into any decent senior team in the country and all of a sudden they'd look like potential all ireland winners lol
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AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
It's an absolute joke at this stage, it's not a level playing field at all. Funny how the Kerry Senior clubs aren't in the AI final every year like at junior and intermediate.
If ya can't beat them, join them!!
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AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
It's an absolute joke at this stage, it's not a level playing field at all. Funny how the Kerry Senior clubs aren't in the AI final every year like at junior and intermediate.
Pus Kilmeena's AI win over Kerry team last year in context.
Little wonder they got to the Mayo Intermediate final this year.
If Rathmore go on to win the Intermediate AI title they'll only be the 2nd Kerry team to win in the last 6 years. Steelstown (Derry) Oughterard (Galway) Moy Tir na nÓg (Tyrone) Westport (Mayo) claiming All Ireland and with that in mind i would give Galbally Pearses a more than decent chance.
Junior on the other hand is where Kerry clubs strike home their advantage winning 5 of the last 7 All Ireland's and with the Cliffords part of the Fossa line up it's hard to see them beaten.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 05:57:17 PM
If ya can't beat them, join them!!
Derry should put the likes of Swatragh and Bellaghy into the inter / jnr for the craic
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AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
It's an absolute joke at this stage, it's not a level playing field at all. Funny how the Kerry Senior clubs aren't in the AI final every year like at junior and intermediate.
Pus Kilmeena's AI win over Kerry team last year in context.
Little wonder they got to the Mayo Intermediate final this year.
There was talk about Islandeady this year maybe emulating Kilmeena but obviously Clifden beat them. How would Islandeady do against Kilmeena if they were to play each other?
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AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
It's an absolute joke at this stage, it's not a level playing field at all. Funny how the Kerry Senior clubs aren't in the AI final every year like at junior and intermediate.
Pus Kilmeena's AI win over Kerry team last year in context.
Little wonder they got to the Mayo Intermediate final this year.
There was talk about Islandeady this year maybe emulating Kilmeena but obviously Clifden beat them. How would Islandeady do against Kilmeena if they were to play each other?
Islandeady were no great shakes this year. They were happy to win a County title this year. Better Islandeady teams struggled to get out of Junior in the past. It will be an achievement for them to retain Intermediate status this year.
They should have separate divisional championship in kerry at a different time of year and stop taking up tv time if they are so obsessed over divisions,Ohhh we want good players to have a chance to win the senior championship that is a bit like fifa saying hey eirling halaland might never win a world cup lets create a Scandinavia team to give him more of a chance.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 07, 2023, 05:38:10 PM
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AET Stewartstown Harps 1-14 Clifden 1-9. Tyrone champions kicked on after Clifden missed a penalty in the 2nd half of extra time.
Elsewhere, as expected routine wins for the Kerry champions.
Intermediate semi final
St Mogue's Fethard (Wexford) 1-10 Rathmore 2-16
Junior semi final
Castletown (Meath) 0-11 Fossa 3-14
One can only expect what is really a Kerry Senior B team team to sail through the AI Intermediate Club championship and a Kerry Intermediate B team team to sail through the AI Junior Club championship.
The mismatch grading makes decent championship winning clubs from their counties and Provinces look weak and not give a true reflection of their journey with embarrassing hammerings.
Kerry teams get the (false) plaudits for being of a higher standard and better coached.
It's an absolute joke at this stage, it's not a level playing field at all. Funny how the Kerry Senior clubs aren't in the AI final every year like at junior and intermediate.
The divisional teams put everything out of sync. If there are 6 of them and 12 senior teams the last 6/12 are displaced to Intermediate and in the wrong division according to Archimedes' principle
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
What do you mean in that last sentence WW? ...who would do well in a Derry senior championship??
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
I watched that stream last January and Steelstown showed them absolutely no respect and got stuck in and were deserving winners.
Quote from: Silver hill on January 07, 2023, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
What do you mean in that last sentence WW? ...who would do well in a Derry senior championship??
Na Gaeil
Steelstown probably had the 2022 that most expected. Having won their first county title, then Ulster and then an incredible AI win, there was always gonna be a bit of a lull the year after, and senior football is a very unforgiving place. Coupled with key players Stateside for most of the summer, 2022 was always going to be tough year for them.
Re Coleraine, be a while before we see the likes of their rapid progression again.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 05:57:17 PM
If ya can't beat them, join them!!
Derry should put the likes of Swatragh and Bellaghy into the inter / jnr for the craic
Sure did they not try that this year...
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 05:57:17 PM
If ya can't beat them, join them!!
Derry should put the likes of Swatragh and Bellaghy into the inter / jnr for the craic
Sure did they not try that this year...
How so?
We're you not trying to reduce numbers in the senior championship at the tail end of this year with some sort of relegation play offs where teams like that would have been in the relegation play offs? There were some appeals and they were called off?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2023, 08:10:58 PM
We're you not trying to reduce numbers in the senior championship at the tail end of this year with some sort of relegation play offs where teams like that would have been in the relegation play offs? There were some appeals and they were called off?
Aye Bellaghy & Screen cried at the thought of dropping to intermediate. Would have done neither club no harm as they are miles off the pace!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 07, 2023, 08:24:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2023, 08:10:58 PM
We're you not trying to reduce numbers in the senior championship at the tail end of this year with some sort of relegation play offs where teams like that would have been in the relegation play offs? There were some appeals and they were called off?
Aye Bellaghy & Screen cried at the thought of dropping to intermediate. Would have done neither club no harm as they are miles off the pace!
If you're not good enough in a particular year and your league position sees you drop through straight relegation or via playoffs, then so be it.
But that isn't in the same ballpark as the Kerry system (and league structures) even if there is a slight decrease in the number of teams in senior Div 1
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2023, 08:10:58 PM
We're you not trying to reduce numbers in the senior championship at the tail end of this year with some sort of relegation play offs where teams like that would have been in the relegation play offs? There were some appeals and they were called off?
Aye Bellaghy & Screen cried at the thought of dropping to intermediate. Would have done neither club no harm as they are miles off the pace!
Don't think bellaghy did. Coleraine and Screen did.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
I'd say thats to be expected after a long year last year winning an AI. Dont known anything about them but presume they aren't a massive club, hard to keep that level up for sustained periods.
Fossa, going by the map, is tiny? 0.29 sq miles?
Fossa is small, stayed in a hotel near the fball field, when on holiday in killarney. About a mile or just over, outside the top end of Killarney.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 11:34:03 PM
Fossa is small, stayed in a hotel near the fball field, when on holiday in killarney. About a mile or just over, outside the top end of Killarney.
Nice?
Looking forward to the Wattys/Maigh Cuilinn match later on.
Derry and Galway are both producing good footballers at the minute. I am sure Watty will be there in spirit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Steelstown were very poor coming up to senior this year. Not what u expect from a team won a intermediate all - Ireland Coleraine lost one but ended up winning 2 senior championships in years to follow. Steelstown got lucky beating ng the Kerry team last year. Who would do well in a strong Derry club championship.
lol ;D 5 points in it, 14 men for more than a half, and at least 3 easy missed goal chances. I think we beat that team 8 times out of 10
Well how come you can't beat weaker teams than that Kerry team in Derry senior club fball last year?
7 to 8 players from the starting 15 went travelling. Plus Ben Mccarron had his confidence shot with Derry. We were coming up against teams with their county men going straight on to start for NFL division one teams. I think he should have seen far far more game time for Derry during the national league. Personally, and I know I'm biased, I think he's easily good enough to be starting in that Derry team. I think his lack of playing time was to Derrys detriment.
Half time Kilmacud Crokes 0-8 Kerins O'Rahilly's 0-6
What's the craic with mannion? Is he out for the foreseeable or anyway close to returning?
Goal Man City . Kerins have a lot of work to do now.
Kilmacud lead out to 6 points now. Not the best of goalkeeping by the Kerins O'Rahilly's number 1.
Kilmacud have a gear or 2 left in them if needed. Strongly fancy Glen to meet them in the final. Would be a great midfield battle.
Very few Kerry clubs have won the all-Ireland
Hopefully a Glen / Moycullen victory in said final. Wouldn't just be a great representation of the GAA ethos this Kilmacud side. But fair play to them a serious outfit none the less.
Kilmacud just about hang on in the end.
Full time Kilmacud Crokes 1-14 Kerins O'Rahilly's 0-14. late rally by the Kerry lads not enough.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 08, 2023, 02:47:38 PM
Hopefully a Glen / Moycullen victory in said final. Wouldn't just be a great representation of the GAA ethos this Kilmacud side. But fair play to them a serious outfit none the less.
Kilmacud have done the club apprenticeship by first losing a final. They made a good few mistakes today.
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Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 08, 2023, 02:47:38 PM
Hopefully a Glen / Moycullen victory in said final. Wouldn't just be a great representation of the GAA ethos this Kilmacud side. But fair play to them a serious outfit none the less.
Kilmacud have done the club apprenticeship by first losing a final. They made a good few mistakes today.
They had that shaky period at the end today similar to last year's final against Kilcoo. Definitely vulnerable if Glen/Moycullen could just stay within touching distance.
Crokes have got a bad keeper, he came again at the end for the high ball and was nowhere near it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 03:26:20 PM
Crokes have got a bad keeper, he came again at the end for the high ball and was nowhere near it.
He saved a few goal bound shots too, he came out knowing he'd 3 on the line, has he been dodgy in other games?
See its all about me on the center circle!
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2023, 02:47:16 PM
Very few Kerry clubs have won the all-Ireland
More Kerry clubs have won the all Ireland than any other county. It would however be true to say that Kerry clubs have not won many all Irelands in total. Nemo alone have more than all of Kerry combined.
Good start for Glen, 0-4 to 0-0 in front after 10 minutes.
Quote from: shark on January 08, 2023, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2023, 02:47:16 PM
Very few Kerry clubs have won the all-Ireland
More Kerry clubs have won the all Ireland than any other county. It would however be true to say that Kerry clubs have not won many all Irelands in total. Nemo alone have more than all of Kerry combined.
Good point. But 6 is a low tally for Kerry. It reflections Kerry priorities.
They're not used to that typical ulster style. Need to get used to it soon though or they will be out of this game.
Glen are a class outfit
Only one winner at this point... fancied the draw but the Galway lads can't lay a glove on Glen
Glen have totally dominated the opening 15 minutes. Moycullen like rabbits in the headlights thus far.
I still think they'll come back into it.
Two pointed frees for Moycullen that might settle them? 0-4 to 0-2 after 21 minutes
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 08, 2023, 03:45:57 PM
Glen have totally dominated the opening 15 minutes. Moycullen like rabbits in the headlights thus far.
Reminds me of another match last year.
No harm to the ref, how is that a free, both men were holding him?
What was porter send off for?
Gough riding Glen here
Moycullen famous for their bursts of play
Quote from: Aughafad on January 08, 2023, 03:55:43 PM
What was porter send off for?
Must have been slabbering to either the ref or linesman... stupid as hell not be on line come final
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 03:53:21 PM
No harm to the ref, how is that a free, both men were holding him?
It's Gough, be makes it up as he goes along
Quote from: smort on January 08, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
Gough riding Glen here
Moycullen famous for their bursts of play
I don't think he is. Maybe the one weasel talked about but anything else was a free.
Glen were too predictable in their build up but have changed that a bit now.
Dessie Conneely is class
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 03:53:21 PM
No harm to the ref, how is that a free, both men were holding him?
Thought that myself. Like a move you see on rugby where the tacklers hold up the player. Not much Warnock could have done there (if it's the same one you are talking about)
Did say, its all about me reffing!
Half time Glen with a deserved lead 0-6 to 0-4. Moycullen took a long time to wake from their slumber can't repeat that 2nd half to stand a chance of winning this match.
Up by two and never seen Glass quieter. Id say Glen will take that
Glen should be 5/6pts ahead, turn bck too much in the attacking zone. Glass is quite but E Bradley Tallon and E Doherty playing very good. May regret not been further ahead.
Moycullen playing like Donegal on a bad day, too much hand passing & afraid to shoot, but they are still well in it. Glen getting cleaned in the MF area
Easy free at the ends leave 2 points in it.. dominant but should be 4 or 5 ahead
Glen will be annoyed not to be much further ahead. A type of game the Galway lads will get a goal out of nothing and then find themselves in front.
Need to see a few more forward runs by Glass to open that Moycullen defence up. He's doing a super job as the defensive midfielder but expect to see that in the 2nd half when Moycullen tire.
Some high quality scores and great fielding, enjoying it.
Glen playing much the better stuff overall, but Moycullen are dominating midfield, and a few silly mistakes by Glen in defence led to some handy frees to keep Moycullen in touch
Glass quiet so far. Sean Kelly too.
Glen need to cut out the jersey pulling for silly frees.
Interesting game. Would be surprised if glen don't win but moycullen no slouches either so might be a sting in it yet.
Crokes on this showing won't be too worried
https://twitter.com/Doiregaa/status/1611045021662466050
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 04:10:54 PM
Crokes on this showing won't be too worried
They'll get the yips whoever wins
Most of Moycullen winning Midfield been by their half forward
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 04:10:54 PM
Crokes on this showing won't be too worried
Crokes wasn't overly impressive against Kerry outfit that didn't even reach their county final and only beat Limerick,Clare opposition in Munster by 1 point.
Lucky there, they had made a bollacks of it.
Perfect start for Glen to the 2nd half with a goal.
He had the ball lost there before hit the ground or arm raised for a mark?
That's why the mark rule is a pile of shite
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:23:55 PM
He had the ball lost there before hit the ground or arm raised for a mark?
Thought that myself, was a soft one to be given
Glen have cut through the Moycullen defence a good few times now, should have punished them more on the scoreboard. Moycullen still relying on those frees to keep the scoreboard ticking over
Did the lad that scored the goal accidentally touch ball on the ground before scoring?
Won't lose from this position
What is it with Glen and Jersey pulling with the lad surrounded, Been pulled for 3/4 Jersey pulls now.
15 minutes left, Glen 1-8 Moycullen 0-8.
Glen should be much further ahead. Wasteful in front of goals and giving away too many frees.
Glen doing some silly mistakes with poor passing. Need push Glass on and somebody else cover bck.
G keeper messed up, but there Jersey pulling there too, is it selective on just forwards getting there Jersey pulled.
Amazing this is still so close, Glen keeping Moycullen in it through brainless mistakes and gifting soft frees. If they just played it smart at the back and attack like they've shown to be capable of, they'd be out of sight. Any time they get past midfield, the Moycullen defence is all over the shop.
He has to see it to call it, dodgy keeper
Glen lead cut back to 2 points. 7 minutes remaining plus whatever added time.
Gough being Gough seeking Centre of attention as usual
Poor miss there.
Quote from: 5times5times on January 08, 2023, 04:41:42 PM
Gough being Gough seeking Centre of attention as usual
Holding and ball lifted clean off the ground.. should he not call those?
Very exciting match.
What's Moycullen scored from play?
Brilliant play by Warnock. Great guts to take rhat score
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:44:03 PM
What's Moycullen scored from play?
Would probably score more if they weren't being fouled so often
Gough has been shockin today. Some horrible calls.
I used to think he was a good ref
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:44:03 PM
What's Moycullen scored from play?
Would probably score more if they weren't being fouled so often
I've switched the game on 5 mins, no foul on McGuckian or J Doherty, both men fouled (arms and mid rift held from behind, nowhere near tackling the ball) and Moycullen get the frees... He's a poor ref
Yeah I retract what I said. Awful reffing
Quote from: Estimator on January 08, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
Gough has been shockin today. Some horrible calls.
He could get MOTM if Maigh Cuilinn win
He missed that free
Most Moycullen shooting from play has been absolutely woeful, they've 100% been kept in this by frees, some of which looked fairly soft
7 minutes left per RnaG
Point on with minute go and fluffed his lines
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 04:49:04 PM
He missed that free
he's been terrible, completely shafting Glen. Real obvious frees not blown for them that have led to scores.
Does Warnock spend his time walking Into tackles
Ref awful, plus Glen themselves done their best to thrown away that game.
FT Glen 1-11 Moycullen 0-12. Galway's good record against Derry doesn't seem to transfer to club football!
Well done Glen made hard work of that
Hopefully two Ulster winners on the 22nd
Gough, f**k me. I don't know whether he generates momentum or just plays along with it, but when things are going against you, he does seem to be continually on hand to pile it on.
Better team won. Moycullen looked dangerous once they had to go for it. Awful shame they didn't play the first half like that too.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:53:39 PM
Ref awful, plus Glen themselves done their best to thrown away that game.
Yeah definitely a bit of both. Delighted for Glen the better team by quite a bit IMO. They will give Crokes their fill of it in the final. I'd actually fancy them tbh.
Comhghairdeas to Wattys. Well deserved. They should be able to give Kilmacud a good rattle.
Gough had an absolute shocker in that game. Glen would only have had themselves to blame if they didn't win though, so many brainless mistakes leading to soft Moycullen frees, that's what kept the game so tight.
Good to see Glen winning though, when they actually played a bit, they were the team that showed proper quality. They'll need a big improvement for the final though. Maybe a performance like that is no harm to take some attention off them and refocus them a bit. Still think they can give Crokes a really good rattle.
E Bradley was Glen best player there, not sure how Tallon got MOTM in front of him.
Deserved winners, Moycullen had a shocking start and needed to have some plan B outside of their hand passing game, they didn't have it, poor conversion rate as well. There was more between the teams than the couple of points in the finish.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Gough, f**k me. I don't know whether he generates momentum or just plays along with it, but when things are going against you, he does seem to be continually on hand to pile it on.
Better team won. Moycullen looked dangerous once they had to go for it. Awful shame they didn't play the first half like that too.
This. He must think its his duty to keep the game entertaining. The one that Glen broke out of defence at the end and the player was fouled. There is no excuse, you cant miss that, its a free in anyone's book. Like what does he think has happened? I can only imagine in his head it's like "ah well you shouldnt have been so loose so if you are fouled take your oil", that's just really really poor and it's what you'd expect from poor referees.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 08, 2023, 04:53:52 PM
FT Glen 1-11 Moycullen 0-12. Galway's good record against Derry doesn't seem to transfer to club football!
What county is Slaughtneil in?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Club_Football_Championship
It would be great if they could beat Kilmacud.
Not sure what that Moycullen lad was at passing the buck on that free kick at the end.
Glen clearly were the superior team but they are infuriating to watch at times with how they play laterally holding onto possession needlessly. Maybe it was a nervousness as they got themselves in a winning position but otherwise they are a very impressive side. The final will be a very close fought affair as both teams are very physical but I think Glen have a great chance.
Alot of that game, was like Glen v Cargin, in the way they played. Forwards pass to the bcks to take responsibility for shooting when the better % shot is with them. I know E Bradley and C Glass can't go forward together but Glen need look at a Forward dropping bck to cover. Glen lose alot not having Glass attacking. This is where C McFaul is a loss
There was 2/3 tackles that were missed other than that if you pull jerseys it's the easiest one to give, if you hold players arms they are also simple.
Glen allowed the game to be far tighter than it should have been, best team won and plenty to work on, all good...
Think O'Rouke mentioned before the game there were some issues colds flu's and other niggles
If Crokes sort out that slump they go through they'll win..
They did pull jerseys too much but it was a ridiculous decision not to give a foul for Conleth mcguckin at the end.
Glen are very methodical and you would wonder does it make them a bit predictable at times. Obviously a very good team but they will need to step it up a good bit the next day if they want to win it.
The free (not given) mentioned a few posts bck, near the sideline with the Glen forward hitting the ball by the Galway defender, but then been checked, ( yes he went down easy, but it was a obvious free). That sort of summed up the reffing, The mark was not even near a mark either. There alot of others, for both teans but Gough wore me out. It not a ref job to keep a game tight.
The boy dropped the ball for the mark lol. I did wonder had he called foul but not sure he did. I honestly didn't think the ref was as bad as others thought first half but he was brutal second half. In saying all that glen will need to stop tugging jersies.
Ref was terrible for Glenn. The one near the end when the goalie was getting his jersey pulled and he blew for a free in was laughable. Galway team got frees easier the whole game.
As said earlier, they do seem to pull Jereseys alot which is stupid as in a no. Of cases the player was covered by 2/3 men.
Ulster lads sorta get shown up on TV on the fact that very few of us can speak Irish for a Irish TV channel.
Delighted for Glen. Glad they got through this game and got this nervous play out of their system. A lot of messy mistakes, missed passes and handling errors. You could see this nervousness every time the Glen keeper was kicking the ball out toward the end of the game. Im sure all the Glen supporters were screaming at him to kick the ball out long toward Glass instead of faffing around with short kickouts which cost them a few scores.
Funny enough it was Bradley( i also thought he was man of match) as opposed to Glass who stood up and made the important forward runs. Glass did contribute an important score but you just know he has the potential to contribute much more.
They would need to seriously re-think their gameplan if they want to beat Kilmacud. Crokes can definitely be beaten if only Glen can stay with them, but if they play like this the game will be over at half time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
Ulster lads sorta get shown up on TV on the fact that very few of us can speak Irish for a Irish TV channel.
I wonder what the reason for that is....
Glen looked like they were doing their best to lose at times, aided by some questionable refereeing decisions. Would have been a sickener there today if they'd have been beat but the upside is they have plenty to work on for the final and will probably feel they've more in the tank.
Don't know, I dropped Irish at 14, along with French and Spanish, as I was crap at Languages.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
Ulster lads sorta get shown up on TV on the fact that very few of us can speak Irish for a Irish TV channel.
To be fair, bar the far reaches of Connacht and Munster there are very few that can look down there noses at those Ulster Lads you talk about!
All three All Ireland finals will be shown live on TG4.
Sunday 15th
Intermediate final at 3:30pm
Galbally Pearses (Tyrone) v Rathmore (Kerry)
Junior final at 1:30pm
Stewartstown Harps (Tyrone) v Fossa (Kerry)
Sunday 22nd
Kilmadcud Crokes (Dublin) v Glen (Derry)
Agree with most of the comments on here Glen the better team by maybe 5/6 points but made hard work of getting those extra scores to put the game to bed and gave Moycuplen hope towards the end.
Had that handy free not been missed I'm not sure Glen would have won!
Having said that they were excellent in spells and the ref was harsh against them I thought. They got through though and that's all that matters. Many wrote them off after a fairly poor performance against Cargin but they're able to raise their game as is necessary so I'd still give them a good chance against Crokes. They also made hard work of a game that should have been very comfortable.
Looking forward to the final hopefully it's a good game.
PS. Tallon was never MOTM not sure how that was picked!
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2023, 05:49:40 PM
Agree with most of the comments on here Glen the better team by maybe 5/6 points but made hard work of getting those extra scores to put the game to bed and gave Moycuplen hope towards the end.
Had that handy free not been missed I'm not sure Glen would have won!
Having said that they were excellent in spells and the ref was harsh against them I thought. They got through though and that's all that matters. Many wrote them off after a fairly poor performance against Cargin but they're able to raise their game as is necessary so I'd still give them a good chance against Crokes. They also made hard work of a game that should have been very comfortable.
Looking forward to the final hopefully it's a good game.
PS. Tallon was never MOTM not sure how that was picked!
This must have been Wattys first time playing in Croke Park so any nerves are understandable
Good point hadn't thought about that!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2023, 06:04:53 PM
Good point hadn't thought about that!!
It looks like a fantastic club. It would be nice if they could go one better than Sleacht.
The first year the Club Semi finals were in Croke Park. It's better for a team going into a final with some experience of the place.
Crokes very comfortable at Croke
Aye they are. Played their last three games there. Leinster Semi, Leinster Final and AI Semi, same goes for Ballyhale
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2023, 06:19:21 PM
The first year the Club Semi finals were in Croke Park. It's better for a team going into a final with some experience of the place.
I don't agree with playing any of the matches bar the final in Croke Park especially when you look at how often Kilmacud have played there this year alone. But it was vital for Glen to get a match under their belt there and experience the winning feeling in Croke Park and hopefully that will help get rid of some of the caution the next day. They are a much better side when they are playing like they did in the first 10 minutes of both the Ulster final and todays match until they began to hold onto possession with no real purpose.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 06:21:05 PM
Crokes very comfortable at Croke
They weren't last year when it counted
Why were Leinster club games in Croker?? Is it just because of the surface? Parnell or Portlaoise could easily have held those games and it give an unfair advantage to the other provinces!!
Yeah there shouldn't be an advantage like that in the All Ireland series. Then again Dublin shouldn't have that advantage in the National League
Blame the ref.....
Sure the Crokes games in the Dublin championship on TV, Parnell Park was half full, why the games were switched to Croke Park in the leinster was anybody's guess. Me, am going with Dublin bias.
Paddy Power odds to win the senior final
Kilmacud Crokes 8/15
Glen 11/8
With Dublin in the league, nowhere else in Dublin has the capacity for the county team, that's the difference, Club fball no need to be in Croke Park when other venues can take the games.
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2023, 06:35:01 PM
Why were Leinster club games in Croker?? Is it just because of the surface? Parnell or Portlaoise could easily have held those games and it give an unfair advantage to the other provinces!!
With the tight timeframes they are trying to avoid unplayable pitches elsewhere in January is the answer surely.
Hurling semi finals were both in CP as well, I don't recall this happening before, blame the split season.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 06:47:02 PM
With Dublin in the league, nowhere else in Dublin has the capacity for the county team, that's the difference, Club fball no need to be in Croke Park when other venues can take the games.
I get that but isn't great to actually use a facility that's is 5 star and with a surface that will only create better hurling/football rather than some of the bogs we get outside of Croke this time of year?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 06:47:02 PM
With Dublin in the league, nowhere else in Dublin has the capacity for the county team, that's the difference, Club fball no need to be in Croke Park when other venues can take the games.
Dublin are going to continue to use it for Div 2 games, surely Parnell Park would be big enough for home games against Louth and Clare?
Dublin crowds have been down the last couple of years. There was no need for the National League games there.
They might get a spark now with Mccaffrey and Mannion back and Gilroy in the backroom team
I remember round 08/10 Derry playing them on a sat nite at parnell with it only half full, Winning an all Ireland or 6 certainly brings more supporters
The commentators touched on it a bit at the end of the Kilmacud game but it is obviously a clear tactic of Kilmacud forwards to foul once they lose the ball to break the play and give their defence and back tracking forwards time to get back to cover. It must have happened at least 15 times today and is a constant tactic from them, but the media will overlook it as they are all great fella's. Tactical fouling at its best, hopefully the ref in the final can clamp on it for Glen's sake. Should be a great game, Walsh quiet today but can win the game on his own if not well marked, as an Ulster man would love Glen to win but fancy Kilmacud are just too cute and will get over the line
Club isn't always about the county stars. Wattys should study Kilmacud's weak links and plan accordingly. There is always at least 1
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2023, 08:22:30 PM
Club isn't always about the county stars. Wattys should study Kilmacud's weak links and plan accordingly. There is always at least 1
The goalkeeper is one that stands out for me never looks comfortable on the ball and not the best under the high ball - definitely demons there from last year when kilcoo mugged them
Quote from: clonadmad on January 07, 2023, 04:29:42 PM
Having seen Fossa in action today
They would be at a minimum top 4 in the laois senior championship and probably at least the same in half of the senior club championships in the country
Castletown were IFC semi-finalists in 2019 beaten AET by the eventual winners Nobber and with a couple of All-Ireland minor winners since then they are no mugs and are of an even keel with the other semi-finalists Stewartstown and Clifden. I watched the Fossa/Castletown stream earlier and Castletown did Ok against a very strong breeze in the 1st half but Fossa had just too much all over the field.
Also watched the Kerry Premier Junior final between Fossa and Listry at the time and thought the standard was the same as the Tyrone Intermediate Final between Edendork and Galbally.
Quote from: PMG1 on January 08, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
The commentators touched on it a bit at the end of the Kilmacud game but it is obviously a clear tactic of Kilmacud forwards to foul once they lose the ball to break the play and give their defence and back tracking forwards time to get back to cover. It must have happened at least 15 times today and is a constant tactic from them, but the media will overlook it as they are all great fella's. Tactical fouling at its best, hopefully the ref in the final can clamp on it for Glen's sake. Should be a great game, Walsh quiet today but can win the game on his own if not well marked, as an Ulster man would love Glen to win but fancy Kilmacud are just too cute and will get over the line
Was there not an article on Galway, and maybe even Kerry, doing that exact thing last year?
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Quote from: PMG1 on January 08, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
The commentators touched on it a bit at the end of the Kilmacud game but it is obviously a clear tactic of Kilmacud forwards to foul once they lose the ball to break the play and give their defence and back tracking forwards time to get back to cover. It must have happened at least 15 times today and is a constant tactic from them, but the media will overlook it as they are all great fella's. Tactical fouling at its best, hopefully the ref in the final can clamp on it for Glen's sake. Should be a great game, Walsh quiet today but can win the game on his own if not well marked, as an Ulster man would love Glen to win but fancy Kilmacud are just too cute and will get over the line
Was there not an article on Galway, and maybe even Kerry, doing that exact thing last year?
Kerry are the absolute masters of this but you won't hear the 100 or so Kerry pundits in the media ever mention it.
Galway overturned the ball 10 times in the final inside the 45, Kerry fouled 9 times to stop the breakout and the only time they apparently didn't foul was the most controversial decision of the match when level on 66 minutes and Kerry got the handy free in.
It's nothing new but sure there's only pure footballers in the Kingdom, yerra etc.
Yeah I would agree with that. I think so would everyone except the refs.
What ya going to do? You can only blow for the foul and if it's a yellow card them!! What do people want?
If I'm manager and we are in front you manage the game on the pitch to close it out! That's it, the stakes are high
I think there used to be a yellow card for persistent fouling, harder to do. If players take different turns to foul.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 11:06:47 PM
I think there used to be a yellow card for persistent fouling, harder to do. If players take different turns to foul.
Yes if you are persistently fouling the same person but if multiple players are fouling all players you apply the rule on the foul.
It's like you're asking for a penalty kick for persistently fouling with 2 minutes to go!!
Quote from: Gold on January 06, 2023, 11:34:13 PM
Predictions:
Junior: Fossa and Stewartstown
Intermediate: Rathmore and Galbally
Senior: K Crokes and Glen (tightest 1 to call of the lot)
Don't know if I'll get the Final predictions correct too but I'm going for:
1. Fossa
2. Galbally
3. Glen
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Gough, f**k me. I don't know whether he generates momentum or just plays along with it, but when things are going against you, he does seem to be continually on hand to pile it on.
Better team won. Moycullen looked dangerous once they had to go for it. Awful shame they didn't play the first half like that too.
This. He must think its his duty to keep the game entertaining. The one that Glen broke out of defence at the end and the player was fouled. There is no excuse, you cant miss that, its a free in anyone's book. Like what does he think has happened? I can only imagine in his head it's like "ah well you shouldnt have been so loose so if you are fouled take your oil", that's just really really poor and it's what you'd expect from poor referees.
Was thinking the exact same. The player could have grabbed the ball but tried the flashier move and was clearly fouled, most obvious free you'll see. Something similar happened around 50 minutes on the left side of the Glen defence when one of their players intercepted the ball brilliantly and put his body on the line to win the ball, he was fouled after making the interception but before he got the ball. However, it wasn't given and the Glen player actually got hurt in the incident.
https://mobile.twitter.com/offtheball/status/1612188769418878979/
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:53:39 PM
Ref awful, plus Glen themselves done their best to thrown away that game.
What was the Glen Maor Foirne sent off for?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2023, 04:53:39 PM
Ref awful, plus Glen themselves done their best to thrown away that game.
What was the Glen Maor Foirne sent off for?
Abusive language. Was in the aftermath of a dodgy decision if memory serves me right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYui7_rrWyk
Mad finish to any game, never mind an allireland final
Both keepers will be under pressure next week, could be fun
I don't see very much between these sides. Both play a similar style of football based on a hard running physical style of football and they are both very solid defensively. I think Glen have an advantage in the middle third of the pitch where they are very strong and athletic. Their achilles heel is the lack of genuine scoring forwards at this level. They don't really have a marquee forward but are reliant on a spread of scores from throughout the team. Very similar to Mayo in style I would say, full of hard runners and will rely on the defence/midfield to kick 4 or 5 scores from play per game. Both goalkeepers are dodgy under pressure so I'd expect them to both be targeted when in possession. Mannion must not be fit otherwise they would have used him for 15 minutes at the end of yesterdays game so that is a bonus for Glen. Really could go either way, possibly Kilmacud have a bit more experience but hopefully Glen can pull it off.
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
I'd say getting to win Ulster and reaching a club final without McFaul has done them no harm, would he be the missing link on the day? who knows, he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
I'd say getting to win Ulster and reaching a club final without McFaul has done them no harm, would he be the missing link on the day? who knows, he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems
He's very much still viewed as part of the panel in Glen. They mentioned it in their Ulster winning speech and he's even one of the players sponsored for their trip to Croke Park.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
Conor Glass for his part with Derry & Glen always starts deep & i'm open to correction but has scored in each round of the championship to date?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
I'd say getting to win Ulster and reaching a club final without McFaul has done them no harm, would he be the missing link on the day? who knows, he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems
He's very much still viewed as part of the panel in Glen. They mentioned it in their Ulster winning speech and he's even one of the players sponsored for their trip to Croke Park.
Is he still stateside for the foreseeable?
As for Glen's chances in the final, I wouldn't rule them out completely though they are up against it. They cracked Derry after the second time of asking, they cracked Ulster at the second attempt so it will be a huge ask to win the AI final first time round. They have a few things in their favour, O'Rourke on the sideline and I'd imagine Dunloy will lend them some support. Get the matchups right and keep Walsh as quiet as possible and you never know
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
I'd say getting to win Ulster and reaching a club final without McFaul has done them no harm, would he be the missing link on the day? who knows, he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems
He's very much still viewed as part of the panel in Glen. They mentioned it in their Ulster winning speech and he's even one of the players sponsored for their trip to Croke Park.
Is he still stateside for the foreseeable?
As for Glen's chances in the final, I wouldn't rule them out completely though they are up against it. They cracked Derry after the second time of asking, they cracked Ulster at the second attempt so it will be a huge ask to win the AI final first time round. They have a few things in their favour, O'Rourke on the sideline and I'd imagine Dunloy will lend them some support. Get the matchups right and keep Walsh as quiet as possible and you never know
I don't believe he has any say over it.
Well, obviously. I haven't heard any updates on that front.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.
I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.
Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.
Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.
Conor Glass for his part with Derry & Glen always starts deep & i'm open to correction but has scored in each round of the championship to date?
Yep he scored 0-01( 45 ) vs EC, 0-02 vs Cargin, 0-01 vs Kilcoo and a point on Sunday.
He's been the best player for Glen and for me the best midfielder in this competition. It's just the few times you do see him going forward Glen look so much more direct and dangerous instead of stalling and going lateral/backwards. I'd guess with Warnock playing CHB he also has to cover any aerial threat from this area.
If Glen can stay within touching distance, and Glass is allowed to/able to produce a few forward runs towards the end of the game, when Kilmacud are known to be shaky it could be the difference.
He's a very good tackler. Been a long time since I have seen someone put the hand in and flick the ball away so adeptly as he did a few times on sunday. Usually these things are more about running into blind alleys and getting dispossessed with weight of numbers these days but he seems to have the art of tackling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2023, 02:45:06 PM
He's a very good tackler. Been a long time since I have seen someone put the hand in and flick the ball away so adeptly as he did a few times on sunday. Usually these things are more about running into blind alleys and getting dispossessed with weight of numbers these days but he seems to have the art of tackling.
Yeah thats a great skill. Did one in particular near the last when the MC lad was running up the middle, hand in and ball flicked away. Great player
Derek O'Mahoney (Tipp) is in charge of the final.
Don't know too much about him as a ref, think he was on the line in the Derry / Galway AI semi-final.
Quote from: Estimator on January 13, 2023, 02:55:43 PM
Derek O'Mahoney (Tipp) is in charge of the final.
Don't know too much about him as a ref, think he was on the line in the Derry / Galway AI semi-final.
What i seen of him average at best.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 13, 2023, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 13, 2023, 02:55:43 PM
Derek O'Mahoney (Tipp) is in charge of the final.
Don't know too much about him as a ref, think he was on the line in the Derry / Galway AI semi-final.
What i seen of him average at best.
Excuses in early then.. the ref is average! Christ the state of that post
What's wrong with it? Refs can't be average no? Or is it they can't be discussed at all?
Quote from: east down gael on January 15, 2023, 11:30:35 AM
What's wrong with it? Refs can't be average no? Or is it they can't be discussed at all?
You can let him ref it and then judge?
So past performances can't be discussed? Good to know
Mind games lol
Quote from: east down gael on January 15, 2023, 11:36:50 AM
So past performances can't be discussed? Good to know
So give me some knowledge of his performances in the past? What's his traits?
I've no idea, and will never know now you have decreed it that referees can't be discussed. Maybe lighten up a bit, you've seen an attack on a referee where there wasn't one,which is fine. And you're quick to defend referees which is also fine. Enjoy your sunday
Quote from: east down gael on January 15, 2023, 11:42:08 AM
I've no idea, and will never know now you have decreed it that referees can't be discussed. Maybe lighten up a bit, you've seen an attack on a referee where there wasn't one,which is fine. And you're quick to defend referees which is also fine. Enjoy your sunday
So you've never seen him ref but willing to row in behind someone's post saying he was average!
And where in any of my posts did I say you can't discuss ref's? Before you jump in read it first
What's wrong with average? By definition the majority of us are average. Like I said, you're reading too much into what was a fairly benign statement.
If you think his post was an encouraging one that's fine
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 13, 2023, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 13, 2023, 02:55:43 PM
Derek O'Mahoney (Tipp) is in charge of the final.
Don't know too much about him as a ref, think he was on the line in the Derry / Galway AI semi-final.
What i seen of him average at best.
Excuses in early then.. the ref is average! Christ the state of that post
Excuses? Have no dog in the fight. What I've seen of Derek O'Mahoney in various action that's my opinion of him hopefully he's above average today and not talked about afterwards.
Milltown no dog in the fight either, just a dislike of everything Derry.
Opening 12 minutes in the junior final Stewartstown Harps holding their own thus far leading 0-3 to 0-2.
Playing well on limited possession, but every time Clifford gets it, u think he score. He a big lad,
Goal for Stewartstown Harps. Fossa full back and goalkeeper unable to clear the ball played in. 1-5 to 0-5.
Half time a well deserved lead for Stewartstown Harps 1-7 to 0-7.
Stewartstown much the better team all round. Fossa really struggling at the back.
Great stuff from Stewartstown
Both Fullbacks getting ate. Fossa Midfield big but slow, Stewartstown scored 3 from there. Not sure why P Clifford plays No. 6, he's def not a defender. Stewartstown better around team, but if I was, Fossa manager the fullback be changed and P Clifford up front.
Clifford obviously standing out at this Level goes without saying, 5 so far but Stewartstown doing reasonably on him. Better team so far. Devlin very impressive. Fancy Clifford to get more space as game opens up
Gareth Devlin (must be in his mid 30s now) v David Clifford in that 1st half.
Lad gets shoulder jn the back and goes down holding forehead lol
Clifford bound to get frustrated at this level with what's round him. Hope he's a good Fossa man, with Killarney 2 mile down the road.
Almost a goal for David Clifford there when the keeper when walkabout and lost the ball. Tyrone lads badly need a score now.
Daft red card. Game over, although Fossa lad should be booked for going down like he was shot.
Ive seen stupider things on a football pitch. I just cant remember when....
All Fossa in the opening 7 minutes of this 2nd half. One point ahead and now Harps down to 14 men with a stupid actions.
What's beats me, years ago, you had to be half killed to go down, now players lie down pretending to be hurt, tv or not.As I text this about the Stewartstown Lad, 15, went down there, nothing wrong with him but why did the idiot push him in the face, stupid, stupid, stupid, On replay though it could been a actual short/light punch.
Game over. . Fossa should win handy now.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2023, 02:28:16 PM
Ive seen stupider things on a football pitch. I just cant remember when....
Idiotic. Why why why do that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
What's beats me, years ago, you had to be half killed to go down, now players lie down pretending to be hurt, tv or not.As I text this about the Stewartstown Lad, 15, went down there, nothing wrong with him but why did the idiot push him in the face, stupid, stupid, stupid, On replay though it could been a actual short/light punch.
No doubt a red but he barely touched him.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
What's beats me, years ago, you had to be half killed to go down, now players lie down pretending to be hurt, tv or not.As I text this about the Stewartstown Lad, 15, went down there, nothing wrong with him but why did the idiot push him in the face, stupid, stupid, stupid, On replay though it could been a actual short/light punch.
Referee didn't book Fossa lads for high tackles. That a black if not red card there.
Jez, How is that not a card of any type?
Lucky enough with a yellow there, think refs just give yellows as automatic now for head high, even though I think some in the past few years a fair few, would been red in years previous.
Brainless red, let his teammates down. The other Clifford starting to shine now
Without the Clifford's there be 10+ points in it. Fossa are a Junior team with 2 County men, one of which might go down as the best ever
50 minutes played Fossa 0-14 Stewartstown Harps 1-9.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 02:36:10 PM
Without the Clifford's there be 10+ points in it. Fossa are a Junior team with 2 County men, one of which might go down as the best ever
yeah agreed. Some of the stewartstown lads carrying fair bit of timber though!
Best season by a player ever? NFL, Munster, AI, All Star, POTY, Kerry, Munster and looking like AI Junior medal? Sigerson finalist as well.
O'Shea decent too.
Stewartstown 1-12 David Clifford 0-10
What is in reality a Intermediate B club team (in any other county), that have been a man up for the guts of 20 minutes.
Fossa are poor!
Wonder who man of the match is lol
That is nasty elbow.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2023, 02:48:41 PM
What is in reality a Intermediate B club team (in any other county), that have been a man up for the guts of 20 minutes.
Fossa are poor!
They're an average junior side without the 2 lads. 11 has been decent.
Cowardly elbow on Paudie. Stewartstown showing themselves up for what they are now
What a dirty c*nt that number 24 for Stewartstown. Dirty blow.
Pure dirt there, then has the nerve to complain to Clifford for going down. Stewartstown another man gone, letting themselves down a bagful now after playing so well.
This Stewartstown crowd are a lovely bunch altogether
Stewartstown would be known for this
Jesus Clifford has some self control. Should have spun that knackers jaw.
Stewartstown No 2 complete w**ker
Stewartstown making an absolute show of themselves now.
You can take the man out of Tyrone but you can't take the Tyrone out of the man.
Some craic stewartstwon get a goal here.
Disgraceful at the end, very bad losers.
What P Clifford did there, was stupid too.
Fossa not a lot better.
FT Fossa 0-19 Stewartstown Harps 1-13. The silly 1st sending off played its role in the Fossa win although they were down to 14 themselves for the last ten minutes with a black card. 0-12 impressive scoring by them 2nd half helps to have players of the quality of the Clifford brothers on your team.
Harps very competitive in the match, finished the game with 11 men. What if for them if they kept their discipline?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 02:57:01 PM
What P Clifford did there, was stupid too.
Didnt actually see what did he do?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 15, 2023, 02:57:39 PM
The Cliffords showing themselves up for what they are now.
the best player in the country by a mile? And one of the best forwards? Clown
That was a dirty elbow into Paudi Clifforda face,then pulling him up as if nothing happened
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2023, 02:48:41 PM
What is in reality a Intermediate B club team (in any other county), that have been a man up for the guts of 20 minutes.
Fossa are poor!
Cian O'Shea black carded 10 minutes ago to even it up. Fossa were a Division 5 team a few years ago. Their success has coincided with the arrival of the Cliffords. People don't understand Kerry club football. Templenoe were the worst team in Kerry less than 10 years ago, Division 5 also. When generational footballers come on board teams move up the divisions and championship status, now Templenoe are senior. Clubs can't leap ahead of their standing. Now Fossa are intermediate but may not win a game in Kerry next year. They were division 4 also in 2022, got promoted to Division 3.
Tyrone acting the knack as per usual
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
The elbow on Paudie Clifford was a disgraceful act.
Did he just get Paudie Cliffords name wrong?
Calling out the ref for sending him off. Class.
Fossa are poor enough compared to previous Kerry junior teams, but got 2 very good fballers, one maybe the best ever, What D Clifford score, literally lose count?.
Farcical red for the hand up nothing call then the clothes line tackle at the other end with only a yellow was when the whole game fell apart.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 15, 2023, 02:57:39 PM
The Cliffords showing themselves up for what they are now.
Winners?
It was no eye gouge.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 15, 2023, 03:04:05 PM
Farcical red for the hand up nothing call then the clothes line tackle at the other end with only a yellow was when the whole game fell apart.
catch a grip.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
You must have missed the bit where Coyle tired to break his Jaw with an elbow
Typical MOPE
Quote from: clonadmad on January 15, 2023, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
You must have missed the bit where Coyle tired to break his Jaw with an elbow
Typical MOPE
Completely separate and he was rightly sent off for that elbow.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 02:57:01 PM
What P Clifford did there, was stupid too.
Saying in the speech now that it was unbelieve how and why he got sent off, yeah right!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
Would like another look at the whole thing tbh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2023, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 15, 2023, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
You must have missed the bit where Coyle tired to break his Jaw with an elbow
Typical MOPE
Completely separate and he was rightly sent off for that elbow.
And Paudie Clifford got sent off
So what's your point
Typical Tyrone when they are getting bet the kn**ker in them comes out
The first sending off was so stupid, He was getting destroyed by Clifford, switched to 'O'Shea, give him a body check then proceeded to raise ( I though it was a push originally, it was not) a short fist to the face. Was it hard, probably not and 15 just went straight down, but Tyrone senior team been doing this shit for years. And now you complain when it happens against you. Lad cost them any chance they had, so he can't blame anybody but himself. And 24, less said the better.
Quote from: clonadmad on January 15, 2023, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2023, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 15, 2023, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Just the part of him pulling bck on the lads head who was sitting up on the ground, what happened before I didn't see. Stewartstown let themselves down abagful.
You must have missed the bit where Coyle tired to break his Jaw with an elbow
Typical MOPE
Completely separate and he was rightly sent off for that elbow.
And Paudie Clifford got sent off
So what's your point
Typical Tyrone when they are getting bet the kn**ker in them comes out
paudie clifford got sent off well after he got the elbow. What are you on about!
No arguments on the bolded.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:10:15 PM
The first sending off was so stupid, He was getting destroyed by Clifford, switched to 'O'Shea, give him a body check then proceeded to raise ( I though it was a push originally, it was not) a short fist to the face. Was it hard, probably not and 15 just went straight down, but Tyrone senior team been doing this shit for years. And now you complain when it happens against you. Lad cost them any chance they had, so he can't blame anybody but himself. And 24, less said the better.
Yep spot on.
Stewartstown went behind by 3 in the period they were a man down. Stupid Red by number 3.
The yellow for Fossa just after it was correct, a clumsy high tackle.
24 deserved his red as did Paidi Clifford, based on the first sending off.
David Clifford's 2nd yellow was correct also. I didn't see what Stewartstown's 5 did or what Garth Devlin got his 2nd yellow for. Devlins first yellow was a bit soft.
Paudie got sent off for bands to the face same as the Stewartstown full back, can't complain although both done very little letter of the law it's a red.
On a separate issue, disgrace what he said in his speech and as a suspended player you are not allowed to take part in any proceeding for the rest of the game, this he should not have been lifting the trophy (I know it's stupid but again that is the letter of the law). Surely this will lead to a bigger suspension???
Quote from: PMG1 on January 15, 2023, 03:22:48 PM
Paudie got sent off for bands to the face same as the Stewartstown full back, can't complain although both done very little letter of the law it's a red.
On a separate issue, disgrace what he said in his speech and as a suspended player you are not allowed to take part in any proceeding for the rest of the game, this he should not have been lifting the trophy (I know it's stupid but again that is the letter of the law). Surely this will lead to a bigger suspension???
Hardly a disgrace now. And surely the game is over when the whistle blows. Who the feck was gonna stop him.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2023, 03:18:59 PM
Stewartstown went behind by 3 in the period they were a man down. Stupid Red by number 3.
The yellow for Fossa just after it was correct, a clumsy high tackle.
24 deserved his red as did Paidi Clifford, based on the first sending off.
David Clifford's 2nd yellow was correct also. I didn't see what Stewartstown's 5 did or what Garth Devlin got his 2nd yellow for. Devlins first yellow was a bit soft.
He maybe could have given him a yellow for the first red, there was nothing in it, but at the same time very very stupid and can't really have many complaints.i do hate seeing players make a meal of things like that though.
The clothesline tackle I thought was a red, or at least borderline. He can count himself very lucky.
The Coyle one was an awful challenge, a real jawbreaker. Paudie Cliffords was a correct call too imo, and the second yellows prob correct too.
Overall a tough day for the ref but you could argue he got all 6 red cards correct.
Thought Paudie Clifford was goin all Father Ted/Golden Cleric in his speech but he pulled it around 😃
A tramps act that Elbow. Stewartstown more than a match for Fossa and would have been very close if they had have kept their discipline. That cost them. Made c***ts out of themselves and let their supporters down badly.
Nobody make any excuses for the first sending off, everybody know the rules, it was not a yellow it was a red, you can't beat stupid. And the Stewartstown No. 2 mouthing to Clifford after he was double booked, that idiot not know Clifford basically destroyed them by himself.
Rules say if sent off no collecting cup.But sure its Kerry.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:30:24 PM
Nobody make any excuses cfir the first sending off, everybody know the rules, it was not a yellow it was a red, you can't hear stupid. Any the Stewartstown No. 2 mouthing to Clifford after he was double booked, that idiot not know Clifford basically destroyed them by himself.
Yeah have some self awareness. 3 points and 2 men down at that stage with Clifford having made wee boys of them. Clown.
Sure what rules are enforced, Hampsey got of his sending off from last week. Rulebook a mess at the minute.
Quote from: skeog on January 15, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
Rules say if sent off no collecting cup.But sure its Kerry.
I thought they changed that rule?
Quote from: skeog on January 15, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
Rules say if sent off no collecting cup.But sure its Kerry.
Daft rule. Anyway hardly matters, got good laugh at his speech anyway
Stewartstown really disgraced themselves at the end they were starting rows after the game too. That elbow was disgraceful then he had the gall to square up to P Clifford and mouth more on the way out!
Tyrone gonna Tyrone!
So what we got here, 8th team in Kerry v 17th in Tyrone?
0-2 each in opening 10 minutes of this intermediate final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:32:38 PM
Sure what rules are enforced, Hampsey got of his sending off from last week. Rulebook a mess at the minute.
The Red against Derry? Surely not?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
So what we got here, 8th team in Kerry v 17th in Tyrone?
Going by league, 37th, by championship 21st
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2023, 02:32:57 PM
Jez, How is that not a card of any type?
Fossa like all kerry teams masters of the tactical fouling seemed to be exempt from cards. Referee didn't book Fossa for 2/3 high tackles. Harps frustration with referee grew as game went on. No excusing them red cards. The lad that elbowed P.Clifford should receive a heavy suspension.
Sorry meant the Galbally v Rathmore county team rankings,
What was Clifford first yellow for? Second was justified he knew what he was at obviously.
Quote from: Seamus on January 15, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
So what we got here, 8th team in Kerry v 17th in Tyrone?
Going by league, 37th, by championship 21st
Sorry, you probably meant Rathmore, 8th or 9th with probably 6 or 7 more teams in intermediate of the same standard. No hope of winning Kerry senior
Quote from: Gael85 on January 15, 2023, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2023, 02:32:57 PM
Jez, How is that not a card of any type?
Fossa like all kerry teams masters of the tactical fouling seemed to be exempt from cards. Referee didn't book Fossa for 2/3 high tackles. Harps frustration with referee grew as game went on. No excusing them red cards. The lad that elbowed P.Clifford should receive a heavy suspension.
The reality is he prob wont serve any suspension at all. Disciplinary process is a mess
Don't know about tactically fouling, I though Stewartstown was cutting through them easy enough. Only card I question was the yellow for the high tackle. I though it should been red, but under ref guidance any high tackle they deem a yellow, which is stupid, as I seen a no.over the past few years which could be deemed dangerous and as such a red. Not sure what Clifford 2nd card was for,
They may have no chance of winning a senior championship but is there not pride in Kerry to be playing on the county championship. - yes I know Murphy won with E Kerry). On Derry maybe only 3/4 have a chance of winning but all 16 teams want to play on a senior championship There be just be about over 40 teams in Derry compared to Kerry's 64.
That the Kerry Goalkeeper up front?
Goal for Rathmore. Poor goalkeeping 1-3 to 0-3
Rathmore 1-5 Galbally Pearses 0-4. On course for a both Kerry All-Ireland win this afternoon
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2023, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:32:38 PM
Sure what rules are enforced, Hampsey got of his sending off from last week. Rulebook a mess at the minute.
The Red against Derry? Surely not?
Hampsey served his suspension last night. Tyrone didn't appeal it.
You sure, I thought it was appealed, cleared, but did not use him?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 03:49:44 PM
Don't know about tactically fouling, I though Stewartstown was cutting through them easy enough. Only card I question was the yellow for the high tackle. I though it should been red, but under ref guidance any high tackle they deem a yellow, which is stupid, as I seen a no.over the past few years which could be deemed dangerous and as such a red. Not sure what Clifford 2nd card was for,
cliffords second was for taking out your man trying to break forward. What was first for?
Kerry got that Ryan lad in the wrong position.
Only seen second half of the first game, no3 for stewartstown probably gets away with that on a Wednesday night in a league game, he has serious amount of eyes on him. Some stupidity when reasonably in the game. Did see what the black card was for, I've no idea why they took off 13 and the two clampits that came on didn't touch leather and one got sent off for the worst elbow you'll see!!
What happens at the end is embarrassing for all that got involved, David Clifford's was easy yellow, Paudi' hand on face pulls it back soft but ref, seen by linesman, think the others were second yellows I didn't see them
The cloth line tackle was a 50/50 call, seen them given as a red or yellow
Only 3 scores in this 2nd half with 10 minutes to play. Rathmore 5 ahead.
There is no cutting edge was Galbally today, they look very flat
It game over. Rathmore up by 7 now. Another title for kerry club.
They are playing against basically a senior team and it shows, Rathmore very strong around Midfield.
That was the chance
Some f**king around there nearly lead to a goal, harder to miss than score to be honest.
Can see that these teams are in two different grades really
That Mark Harte is fond of the sound of his own voice 😡
7 mins, they should went for goal there, probably not aware of time left.
FT Rathmore 1-11 Galbally Pearses 0-11. Straight forward win for Rathmore who never looked like losing once they went ahead via a goalkeeping error.
Rathmore goal keeper pulled off two goal bound saves... small margins when the other keeper gifted one
Not sure what the ref was at, that was a free in for Rathmore when they were on the attack there, didn't give it, lead to. a Galbally point. Final score not really showing the gap between the 2 teams.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 04:58:09 PM
Not sure what the ref was at, that was a free in for Rathmore when they were on the attach there, didn't give it, lead to. a Galbally point. Final score not really showing the gap between the 2 teams.
Holding on to the ball too long? He was consistent with over carrying calls
Kerry's divisional structure wins a second all Ireland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 04:58:03 PM
Rathmore goal keeper pulled off two goal bound saves... small margins when the other keeper gifted one
Kenneth O'Keefee, Rathmore goalkeeper, brother of Declan, who played in goals for Kerry. Always played in the forward line, now 44, in goals for the last few years.
That lad not retire and give 3 former Kerry minor goalkeepers a chance lol.
Paul Murphy would still get a game at minor level lol. Does the lad even shave
Kerry should be made have a Senior B Grade of 8 teams. Senior B's can still play with their Divisional teams in the Kerry Championship. This would put all the other clubs in proper order in Intermediate and Junior.
Today's results make Kerry club football look stronger than it really is.
Good idea bunker, and probably the simplest
Seen replay of Paudie Cliffords red there. Not much in it really but daft of him
Kerry are happy with his their divisional set up as they produce quality senior county players..
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
Seen replay of Paudie Cliffords red there. Not much in it really but daft of him
Not much, but similar to Stewartstown no3's Both silly but technically correct and I wouldn't argue against either. Not much in Stewartstown 5's either, just threw Clifford down but Ref needed to clamp down as it was spilling over.
Looking at replays, was D Clifford being sexually assaulted when he was on the ground after his 2nd yellow?
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2023, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
Seen replay of Paudie Cliffords red there. Not much in it really but daft of him
Not much, but similar to Stewartstown no3's Both silly but technically correct and I wouldn't argue against either. Not much in Stewartstown 5's either, just threw Clifford down but Ref needed to clamp down as it was spilling over.
Looking at replays, was D Clifford being sexually assaulted when he was on the ground after his 2nd yellow?
Any contact with a players head/face off the ball no matter how small you give the ref a decision to make and can't really complain. Thought someone was having a grab at Clifford on the ground alright
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 05:23:01 PM
Kerry are happy with his their divisional set up as they produce quality senior county players..
And they are completely within their rights to setup internally as they wish.
Croke Park has dictated 16 Senior team maximum, take that are your baseline and let them find a way to put their 17th ranked team into the provincial and AI series for Intermediate and work down from that for the Juniors, otherwise don't take part.
At this stage it's absolutely a joke, this is a once in a lifetime shot for most clubs to win the Junior and Intermediate All Ireland and they are having to beat Kerry teams that shouldn't be in the competition.
I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 15, 2023, 05:31:34 PM
I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Quote from: yellowcard on January 15, 2023, 05:31:34 PM
I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
That's really not how concussion works.
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Quote from: yellowcard on January 15, 2023, 05:31:34 PM
I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
Either way, I say P Clifford have a fair sore jaw in the morning.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 05:23:01 PM
Kerry are happy with his their divisional set up as they produce quality senior county players..
It does but it means the lesser club competitions are arseways.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
No he's just an ignoramus.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
I'd have kept my mouth closed. They won the game. Having a public cheap shot at the Referee was not going to change anything and made him look classless.
There is a shortage of referees and incidents like that does not help matters.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
You're weird, fair play for making a c**k out of himself?
Only problem is the ref got his card right, wasn't a eye gouge but abit like the first lad send off, what was the point of trying to pull u lad head back, running by quick, when the game was all but over.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 07:04:15 PM
Only problem is the ref got his card right, wasn't a eye gouge but abit like the first lad send off, what was the point of trying to pull u lad head back, running by quick, when the game was all but over.
I'd mentioned it earlier, the linesman made that call not the ref, so Paudi was wrong on a couple points
That junior match was a joke. Hard to feel sympathy for Stewartstown after their antics, they can't have any complaints for their reds, but even after the first one they probably still stood a chance. The ref probably should have sent the Fossa man off when he only showed him a yellow, your man gave a wink and from there on the Tyronies lost the plot. Only saw the first half of the Galbally match and full sympathy to the keeper, saved a point from going over only to concede a goal, had his teammates converted at least one of the two gilt-edged goal chances at the other end things might have been different. The AI junior roll of honour certainly demonstrates the ridiculousness of the arse about face Kerry championship structures.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
You're weird, fair play for making a c**k out of himself?
Referees Union ;)
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Quote from: yellowcard on January 15, 2023, 05:31:34 PM
I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
I'd have kept my mouth closed. They won the game. Having a public cheap shot at the Referee was not going to change anything and made him look classless.
There is a shortage of referees and incidents like that does not help matters.
Yeah so would I. But anyway not that big of a deal.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Only seen second half of the first game, no3 for stewartstown probably gets away with that on a Wednesday night in a league game, he has serious amount of eyes on him. Some stupidity when reasonably in the game. Did see what the black card was for, I've no idea why they took off 13 and the two clampits that came on didn't touch leather and one got sent off for the worst elbow you'll see!!
What happens at the end is embarrassing for all that got involved, David Clifford's was easy yellow, Paudi' hand on face pulls it back soft but ref, seen by linesman, think the others were second yellows I didn't see them
The cloth line tackle was a 50/50 call, seen them given as a red or yellow
Idiocy from the No 3....ruined the game for the entire country with a wee girly move
Like either smack someone a proper box or leave well alone...what's the f**king pointt?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Only seen second half of the first game, no3 for stewartstown probably gets away with that on a Wednesday night in a league game, he has serious amount of eyes on him. Some stupidity when reasonably in the game. Did see what the black card was for, I've no idea why they took off 13 and the two clampits that came on didn't touch leather and one got sent off for the worst elbow you'll see!!
What happens at the end is embarrassing for all that got involved, David Clifford's was easy yellow, Paudi' hand on face pulls it back soft but ref, seen by linesman, think the others were second yellows I didn't see them
The cloth line tackle was a 50/50 call, seen them given as a red or yellow
Idiocy from the No 3....ruined the game for the entire country with a wee girly move
Like either smack someone a proper box or leave well alone...what's the f**king pointt?
Exactly.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
Don't understand you at all , it was an eye gouge, no need for it , Fossa had the game in the bag at that stage.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
Don't understand you at all , it was an eye gouge, no need for it , Fossa had the game in the bag at that stage.
yeah it was daft and a red. Don't think it was an eye gouge in fairness.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
Don't understand you at all , it was an eye gouge, no need for it , Fossa had the game in the bag at that stage.
yeah it was daft and a red. Don't think it was an eye gouge in fairness.
Ok, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the eye gouge, but it was definitely a deliberate act, no way accidental.
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I think Paudie could well have been concussed after the elbow by the Stewartstown sub. He was busy open after that incident. It might explain him having a pop at the officials afterwards in his victory speech.
Fair play to him for having the balls to say it, be he right or wrong
Fair play if he was right or wrong? He was sent off, they won and he got to lift the cup. What was he confused about?
He felt the ref got the card wrong and he said so. Fair play for doing it and I got a good laugh at it
Don't understand you at all , it was an eye gouge, no need for it , Fossa had the game in the bag at that stage.
yeah it was daft and a red. Don't think it was an eye gouge in fairness.
Ok, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the eye gouge, but it was definitely a deliberate act, no way accidental.
Yeah needless, along the same lines as the full backs red, not much in either but contact with a players face/head off the ball you're giving the ref an easy decision
It wouldnt been different for Galbally, it was obvious half way through the first half, that Rathmore was way stronger than them, especially round Midfield. They were about a 6pts better team, but lay off to prevent a goal allowing Galbally to take points.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 15, 2023, 07:57:35 PM
I'm not convinced advocating that a player should smack someone a proper box is a good look lads.
I wouldn't advocate lifting a hand at all but in for a penny, in for a pound and all that.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 15, 2023, 09:10:34 PM
I understand the logic. Breaking Clifford's jaw would probably have been a game winning red card. It doesn't make the suggestion any less....scummy....for want of a better word.
it was 15 that 3 lifted the hand to, not Clifford
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 15, 2023, 09:15:06 PM
I'm aware of that....
Breaking 15s jaw would not have been game changing IMO.
Definitely not but if it had been Clifford then Fossa would have been fecked without him. Although I doubt 3 would have fancied taking on 6 foot 4 monster of a man David Clifford lol.
Who was at 11 for Fossa? He was fairly impressive I thought, won a few kickouts when the pressure was on.
Shane Ryan be pushing for a spot in the Kerry forward line next year! Super today.
So a Kerry double - 2 games that were tight enough but I have to say, I thought if Stewartstown had stuck to the football and not acted the maggot, they would probably have won. They had the better all round team I thought and were going well. Even after the first sending off, it was evened up effectively when Fossa got the black card. But they got worse not better and that Coyle guy who elbowed Paudie Clifford, the less said the better.
Intermediate final wasn't a great spectacle at all. Rathmore the better team marginally but 2 great goal chances Galbally had they will look back on with regret. I do think Galbally lacked a bit of cutting edge though up front. I was told they were lucky enough to win the semi final aswell, but that's just second hand info in fairness. Shane Ryan is a decent forward to be fair to him and their main forward John Moynihan was well marked out of it today so Ryan and his brother Mark really stood up. Rathmore are a decent side though and could afford to leave Aidan O'Mahony (would still play for a lot of teams!) and Darragh Rahilly a good Kerry minor a few years ago, on the bench.
On the (expected) complaints about the Kerry system - most people want to change it lads, but it's Croke Park that are stopping it. I would like to see it resolved so that there could be 10 club teams and Divisional teams play a round robin to get 2 teams to enter the Championship proper, so you've 12 in the Senior draw then. Straight away improves things and Inter and Junior are evened out a bit more. Rathmore and Stacks would probably be already Senior. As it stands, Austin Stacks are Intermediate this season..who contested the Munster Senior final last year.
My understanding is that Cork and Kerry were told that even if a separate round robin of divisional teams takes place before entering championship proper they all count towards the 16. Utterly stupid. Cork has 250 clubs and you want only 16 in the top level out of 250? Where is the common sense?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
Who was at 11 for Fossa? He was fairly impressive I thought, won a few kickouts when the pressure was on.
Shane Ryan be pushing for a spot in the Kerry forward line next year! Super today.
Matt Rennie
As regards intermediate, may not get any better for the rest of the country for the next All Ireland series as Austin Stacks were relegated from senior. They are expected to be the top senior club in Kerry within the next two years as they have a massive pool of talented young players coming on board. Expected to dominate Kerry club football much like Dr. Crokes did in the Gooch era.
Would Fossa still be junior if hypothetically there was 12 teams in the senior championship?
Quote from: square_ball on January 15, 2023, 10:02:54 PM
Would Fossa still be junior if hypothetically there was 12 teams in the senior championship?
Yes and there would be an even stronger team winning Junior if that were the case seeing as how there's currently 17 teams in SFC?! (2 lowest divisional teams playoff in prelim round leaving 16 teams for Championship proper).
If you mean were there 12 CLUB teams in Senior, then yes it would make a difference. But Going from 8 to 10 would be more realistic progress. Fossa won the Kerry Junior final only after Extra time also. Competition is fairly fierce.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2023, 09:28:42 PM
So a Kerry double - 2 games that were tight enough but I have to say, I thought if Stewartstown had stuck to the football and not acted the maggot, they would probably have won. They had the better all round team I thought and were going well. Even after the first sending off, it was evened up effectively when Fossa got the black card. But they got worse not better and that Coyle guy who elbowed Paudie Clifford, the less said the better.
Intermediate final wasn't a great spectacle at all. Rathmore the better team marginally but 2 great goal chances Galbally had they will look back on with regret. I do think Galbally lacked a bit of cutting edge though up front. I was told they were lucky enough to win the semi final aswell, but that's just second hand info in fairness. Shane Ryan is a decent forward to be fair to him and their main forward John Moynihan was well marked out of it today so Ryan and his brother Mark really stood up. Rathmore are a decent side though and could afford to leave Aidan O'Mahony (would still play for a lot of teams!) and Darragh Rahilly a good Kerry minor a few years ago, on the bench.
On the (expected) complaints about the Kerry system - most people want to change it lads, but it's Croke Park that are stopping it. I would like to see it resolved so that there could be 10 club teams and Divisional teams play a round robin to get 2 teams to enter the Championship proper, so you've 12 in the Senior draw then. Straight away improves things and Inter and Junior are evened out a bit more. Rathmore and Stacks would probably be already Senior. As it stands, Austin Stacks are Intermediate this season..who contested the Munster Senior final last year.
My understanding is that Cork and Kerry were told that even if a separate round robin of divisional teams takes place before entering championship proper they all count towards the 16. Utterly stupid. Cork has 250 clubs and you want only 16 in the top level out of 250? Where is the common sense?
It wasn't evened up effectively....Stewartstown were a man down for 15 mins before that and duly went 3 behind until the numbers were evened again with the black card....it wasn't like Fossa went a man less than Stewartstown for 15 mins.
Plus Stewartstown punctured themselves chasing an extra man.
Game was lost by the number 3.
Don't advocate lifting a hand on the field or in life. Had decades of being held, slapped and kicked by defenders but 1 thing I've never got is pushing or interfering with another man's head....what the fcuk have you to gain from it?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2023, 09:28:42 PM
So a Kerry double - 2 games that were tight enough but I have to say, I thought if Stewartstown had stuck to the football and not acted the maggot, they would probably have won. They had the better all round team I thought and were going well. Even after the first sending off, it was evened up effectively when Fossa got the black card. But they got worse not better and that Coyle guy who elbowed Paudie Clifford, the less said the better.
Intermediate final wasn't a great spectacle at all. Rathmore the better team marginally but 2 great goal chances Galbally had they will look back on with regret. I do think Galbally lacked a bit of cutting edge though up front. I was told they were lucky enough to win the semi final aswell, but that's just second hand info in fairness. Shane Ryan is a decent forward to be fair to him and their main forward John Moynihan was well marked out of it today so Ryan and his brother Mark really stood up. Rathmore are a decent side though and could afford to leave Aidan O'Mahony (would still play for a lot of teams!) and Darragh Rahilly a good Kerry minor a few years ago, on the bench.
On the (expected) complaints about the Kerry system - most people want to change it lads, but it's Croke Park that are stopping it. I would like to see it resolved so that there could be 10 club teams and Divisional teams play a round robin to get 2 teams to enter the Championship proper, so you've 12 in the Senior draw then. Straight away improves things and Inter and Junior are evened out a bit more. Rathmore and Stacks would probably be already Senior. As it stands, Austin Stacks are Intermediate this season..who contested the Munster Senior final last year.
My understanding is that Cork and Kerry were told that even if a separate round robin of divisional teams takes place before entering championship proper they all count towards the 16. Utterly stupid. Cork has 250 clubs and you want only 16 in the top level out of 250? Where is the common sense?
The system works for Kerry at a club and a County level. It sees lads in their 40's still playing football and winning all-Irelands. However I am not sure Croke park are to blame.
Do Dublin not have a Senior A and a Senior B, effectively 32 clubs at the top end so their Intermediate Champions are the 33rd club as opposed to Kerry where it is the 9th and Tyrone the 17th.
Kerry with 64 clubs could easily be 4 league of 16,Senior, Intermediate, Junior A and Junior B. best inter is 17th best junior is 33rd team.
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Kerry with 64 clubs could easily be 4 league of 16,Senior, Intermediate, Junior A and Junior B. best inter is 17th best junior is 33rd team.
No it couldn't because you are forgetting about Divisional teams which is the lifeblood of the Kerry championship structure. I (and most others) would resist any attempt to undermine this. As I said previously however, I would be in favour of increasing the number of club teams in Senior championship from 8 to 10 possibly. That would have an effect. Croke Park are blocking this is my understanding.
To those going on about some sort of Senior and Senior A or B structure - I think that's nonsense. Either you are Senior and you have a chance of competing for the top prize or you don't and you're Intermediate.
This leads me to Cork, where they have not only Senior A, but Intermediate A. Senior - Senior A - Premier Intermediate - Intermediate A - Junior A. Which means that the winners of the 1st grade, 3rd grade and 5th grade represent Cork in Munster competitions. Which is silly in my view. If Cork renamed their competitions and 1st to 3rd grade winners were in Munster Kerry teams would be getting test far more and the number of Kerry teams winning All Irelands at Junior and Intermediate would drop immediately.
Just watched it on Tg4 player; sending off was crucial, let his team down badly, they were right in it till the end, and the stupidity of the sub and the elbow...
Should have taken their beating instead of whining after the game was over.
Still have that championship, but make the club championship the Premier championship not county, as divisional teams can't represent a county.
There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
The atmosphere in our game was electric and must have been a great viewing for a neutral and its not often the Cliffords are playing in a curtain raiser. For me that was a senior championship club game in most counties not even intermediate and they'll be talking about this game for many years to come. Was this the club equivalent of the 1983 All-Ireland with all the sendings off?
The Intermediate Final was quite sterile and boring to watch after.
There will be extra spice for the Tyrone Kerry game on March 5th.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 11:37:20 PM
Kerry with 64 clubs could easily be 4 league of 16,Senior, Intermediate, Junior A and Junior B. best inter is 17th best junior is 33rd team.
No it couldn't because you are forgetting about Divisional teams which is the lifeblood of the Kerry championship structure. I (and most others) would resist any attempt to undermine this. As I said previously however, I would be in favour of increasing the number of club teams in Senior championship from 8 to 10 possibly. That would have an effect. Croke Park are blocking this is my understanding.
To those going on about some sort of Senior and Senior A or B structure - I think that's nonsense. Either you are Senior and you have a chance of competing for the top prize or you don't and you're Intermediate.
This leads me to Cork, where they have not only Senior A, but Intermediate A. Senior - Senior A - Premier Intermediate - Intermediate A - Junior A. Which means that the winners of the 1st grade, 3rd grade and 5th grade represent Cork in Munster competitions. Which is silly in my view. If Cork renamed their competitions and 1st to 3rd grade winners were in Munster Kerry teams would be getting test far more and the number of Kerry teams winning All Irelands at Junior and Intermediate would drop immediately.
The simple solution is to have a Senior B Championship with 8 teams and let the players from those teams play with the Divisional teams in the Kerry Championship. This would set the balance right and not affect anybody.
Kerry Forum again:
"Right the dust has settled and I'm home after my few pints in Dublin. I was talking to Dublin Mayo Sligo Meath Donegal and Kerry people about the game. Obviously different views but the one condenses is that the game was played in good spirits till near the end. The foul on Paudie was horrendous but let us not forget Tadhg Kennelly. That was horrendous. Im a Kerryman. I love Kerry but because I've spent the last 30 years standing up for us I have to call a spade a spade and everyday wrong is wrong. I argue with posters that don't see us do wrong. Kerry have been as cynical as anyone over the years. As Billy Morgan said years ago "Some say Northern teams are cynical well the most cynical of all are down south". Today in my view the ref got most of his calls right. Both Clifford's deserved red as did the Tyrone boys. I call things as I see them and right or wrong I'll stand over them but I try to give a dair synopsis."
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 12:54:15 AM
There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.
For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.
That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 12:54:15 AM
There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.
For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.
That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.
As someone said in another thread, Tyrone is one of the fairest systems I know of. Top 1/3 of teams are senior, next 1/3 are intermediate, bottom 1/3 junior
I think it just shows how competitive Tyrone club football is from top to bottom.
There is an easy solution to this problem which doesn't involve Kerry changing their internal structures and improves the integrity of their competition. If you look at the split of their clubs it would be much fairer if their junior champions entered the All Ireland Intermediate championship. I believe they have another junior competition for the lowest ranked teams in the county and the winners of this could enter the All Ireland junior champions.
There is no way the 9th best team out of 64 should be allowed to enter the intermediate championship. They also shouldnt be forced to change their structures which works so well for them.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 12:54:15 AM
There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.
For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.
That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.
As someone said in another thread, Tyrone is one of the fairest systems I know of. Top 1/3 of teams are senior, next 1/3 are intermediate, bottom 1/3 junior
I think it just shows how competitive Tyrone club football is from top to bottom.
Yeah agreed. Same in Armagh although it leaves us weak when we go into Ulster, a lot of lower senior teams are probably intermediate standard and a lot of intermediate teams would be junior in Tyrone and other counties.
Quote from: Gael80 on January 16, 2023, 08:14:22 AM
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There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.
For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.
That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.
As someone said in another thread, Tyrone is one of the fairest systems I know of. Top 1/3 of teams are senior, next 1/3 are intermediate, bottom 1/3 junior
I think it just shows how competitive Tyrone club football is from top to bottom.
It might work within Tyrone as it produces competitive championships; that is different to quality at senior level though, probably more about making the intermediate/junior both quality and competitive which is seen later on when their champions leave the county.
Is it possible to be so poor at senior club level yet produce All Ireland winning or at least competing for titles at Junior and intermediate level without some kind of system advantage?
Derry and Galway probably have the best systems, they tend to be competitive through every grade and produce different clubs genuinely competing for the senior All Ireland. If you can only compete at Intermediate and Junior level with clubs obviously well ahead of most opposition at that level there is a system advantage somewhere in my opinion.
Our record at junior level in Ulster is very poor. Not sure we've even had one winner!
Croke, could if they wanted have separate competitions. I'm nearly sure there is a junior b championship that is held in hurling, I'm not sure, but the the stats on this don't really lie.
The Kerry format wasn't built to suit winning these titles as they are a recent set up from the senior competition that has been around for years, as has Kerry's club championship format. It's worked well for them in developing senior abled county players from clubs that would, in any other county, not get senior representatives..
How many junior players are playing county football or on the Tyrone county panel now?
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Quote from: smort on January 16, 2023, 07:57:49 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on January 16, 2023, 07:25:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 12:54:15 AM
There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.
I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.
For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.
That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.
As someone said in another thread, Tyrone is one of the fairest systems I know of. Top 1/3 of teams are senior, next 1/3 are intermediate, bottom 1/3 junior
I think it just shows how competitive Tyrone club football is from top to bottom.
Isn't the Tyrone senior championship straight knock out? Which is quite unusual these days. Makes it way more difficult for a strong team to win a few back to back. A quick google tells me 8 different winner in the past 10 years. Dominance in ones own county is usually required in order to do well at provincial level. Certainly in Leinster (which I'm more familiar with) this is the case. I can only think of Ballymun in the last 20 years who have won Leinster following their first county title as a team. Maybe Brigid's too. Non-Dublin you're looking at Ferbane in 1986 as the last time it was done.
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Kerry with 64 clubs could easily be 4 league of 16,Senior, Intermediate, Junior A and Junior B. best inter is 17th best junior is 33rd team.
No it couldn't because you are forgetting about Divisional teams which is the lifeblood of the Kerry championship structure. I (and most others) would resist any attempt to undermine this. As I said previously however, I would be in favour of increasing the number of club teams in Senior championship from 8 to 10 possibly. That would have an effect. Croke Park are blocking this is my understanding.
To those going on about some sort of Senior and Senior A or B structure - I think that's nonsense. Either you are Senior and you have a chance of competing for the top prize or you don't and you're Intermediate.
This leads me to Cork, where they have not only Senior A, but Intermediate A. Senior - Senior A - Premier Intermediate - Intermediate A - Junior A. Which means that the winners of the 1st grade, 3rd grade and 5th grade represent Cork in Munster competitions. Which is silly in my view. If Cork renamed their competitions and 1st to 3rd grade winners were in Munster Kerry teams would be getting test far more and the number of Kerry teams winning All Irelands at Junior and Intermediate would drop immediately.
The simple solution is to have a Senior B Championship with 8 teams and let the players from those teams play with the Divisional teams in the Kerry Championship. This would set the balance right and not affect anybody.
Agreed, easily the fairest way of sorting this mess out.
Didn't bother watching the games yesterday as knew what would happen, its a complete farce.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
I think th'oul GAA in Kerry has git on fine since thec1890s without having Nordies telling them what to do ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
Sure where's the advantage in that.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2023, 10:20:45 AM
I think th'oul GAA in Kerry has git on fine since thec1890s without having Nordies telling them what to do ;D
Imagine Tyrone, Derry, Donegal etc sending their 9th ranked clubs to play intermediate... Ulster would clean up at that level
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2023, 10:20:45 AM
I think th'oul GAA in Kerry has git on fine since thec1890s without having Nordies telling them what to do ;D
aye sending Senior teams to play intermediate championships and cleaning up sure it's great craic.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
Sure where's the advantage in that.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2023, 10:20:45 AM
I think th'oul GAA in Kerry has git on fine since thec1890s without having Nordies telling them what to do ;D
Imagine Tyrone, Derry, Donegal etc sending their 9th ranked clubs to play intermediate... Ulster would clean up at that level
Ulster teams just aren't cute enough when trying to out-Fox those wily hoors in Kerry ;D It's no wonder their teams are so successful
I remember Des Cahill on up for the match interviewing one of the Kerry players from the Polo grounds final. Des sort of forgot himself and says to yer man about the team staying on in NY to celebrate. The Kerry man never corrected Des. I thought, it's no wonder Kerry have so many All Ireland's, when they're claiming All Ireland's they didn't even win ;D
Kerry have a novice grade championship. In my opinion, the winners of this should represent Kerry in the Munster junior championship. This competition could be regraded to the Junior championship.
The current sfc could stay the same. The current Intermediate championship regraded to senior b, and no progression to Munster competitions. The current Junior championship regraded to Intermediate and the winners of that represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate competitions.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
They have more internal football competitions to beat the f**king band, a separate Senior club championship already, different North Board, South Board etc. club championships.
It's nonsense that they can't find some way of sending their 17th ranked team but sure it's all CP's fault and everyone else should change to the Kerry format is what I've heard before.
They don't give a f**k, will continue to pat themselves on the back for cleaning up in the lower club competitions. We had to hear enough whinging about funding when the Dubs were doing wreck in the 2010's but an actual complete competitive advantage in these club competitions for another big county doesn't seem as problematic.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
They have more internal football competitions to beat the f**king band, a separate Senior club championship already, different North Board, South Board etc. club championships.
It's nonsense that they can't find some way of sending their 17th ranked team but sure it's all CP's fault and everyone else should change to the Kerry format is what I've heard before.
They don't give a f**k, will continue to pat themselves on the back for cleaning up in the lower club competitions. We had to hear enough whinging about funding when the Dubs were doing wreck in the 2010's but an actual complete competitive advantage in these club competitions for another big county doesn't seem as problematic.
Yep agreed. Thats why I don't overly rate intermediate/provincial club championships as a metric of success for a county due to the inconsistent gradings. Senior is the only one you can compare.
Quote from: ardtole on January 16, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
Kerry have a novice grade championship. In my opinion, the winners of this should represent Kerry in the Munster junior championship. This competition could be regraded to the Junior championship.
The current sfc could stay the same. The current Intermediate championship regraded to senior b, and no progression to Munster competitions. The current Junior championship regraded to Intermediate and the winners of that represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate competitions.
If Kerry want to keep their current structures which they should be allowed to then the above is exactly what should happen. Would leave it a much more level playing field than what is currently happening.
Any thoughts on kicking Kerry out of the intermediate and junior championships. The deck is stacked in their favour the way they run their championships down there and the record books show that. The 9th best club team in the county is in intermediate for example.
Maybe ban Ulster teams.... save us listening to whinging and whining ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 09:55:08 AM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2023, 11:37:56 AM
Maybe ban Ulster teams.... save us listening to whinging and whining ;)
You would have a boring existence if you couldn't get triggered by good old Ulster moaning.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
Look the fault isn't with Kerry, they're being let away with it by Croke Park. Totally unfair on likes of those Tyrone teams yesterday.
The reality is that number one it's only club players affected and number 2 its a tiny percentage of club players, it doesn't affect enough people to really kick up a fuss about it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
The reality is that number one it's only club players affected and number 2 its a tiny percentage of club players, it doesn't affect enough people to really kick up a fuss about it.
Fair point surely, but that junior roll of honour is a horror show. The Galway poster above talking about the once in a lifetime opportunity for these clubs to get their day in Croker is spot on. Just wrong on so many levels.
Bring on the national league, can kick this up again when Austin Stacks are waltzing through Munster Intermediate next year, laughable stuff.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
They have more internal football competitions to beat the f**king band, a separate Senior club championship already, different North Board, South Board etc. club championships.
It's nonsense that they can't find some way of sending their 17th ranked team but sure it's all CP's fault and everyone else should change to the Kerry format is what I've heard before.
They don't give a f**k, will continue to pat themselves on the back for cleaning up in the lower club competitions. We had to hear enough whinging about funding when the Dubs were doing wreck in the 2010's but an actual complete competitive advantage in these club competitions for another big county doesn't seem as problematic.
You sound very peeved that Kerry's club structure, which predates the All Ireland club championships by decades, works for Kerry clubs? And like many you struggle to grasp the "why"..
Yes, there is a North Kerry Championship, South Kerry Championship etc at the end of the county championships (totally unconnected) in which every clubs first team competes against each other in that district. Fossa were Junior last year and played Crokes who are Senior in the East Kerry Championship for example. Most people from other counties can't get their head around this at all. Why are these competitions there? To give more games, which up to a few years ago was badly needed for teams who were gone from knockout county championships early. Not so much now. But still.
One big thing is that if I compare the few counties I know best, Cork, Clare and Kerry..the average Kerry club footballer gets 3/4 times the games the others do every year. And there are very few meaningless games because A)The county league in Kerry is taken very seriously and there is 3 up/3 down from each division and B)Clubs get to compete against teams in grades above them and have a cut off them. It's a big motivator and Junior clubs have won divisional championships for example. Some clubs thrive on it.
As I said repeatedly, we're not changing our Senior championship to exclude divisions, we're not calling intermediate Senior B - you're either Senior or you're not - but there SHOULD 100% be an increase in number of clubs in SFC to 10, maybe more. That would have a big knock on effect down the levels. Rathmore wouldn't be intermediate last year, Fossa possibly not Junior (although they were rubbish until David Cliff came along) and straight away things are evened out a bit.
In all this wailing and gnashing of teeth by people, is it being ignored that Stewartstown should have won the damn game yesterday? And Galbally missed 2 great goal chances in a one score game? It's not like there's an enormous gap here even as currently stands!
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Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.
And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.
And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.
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Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
They have more internal football competitions to beat the f**king band, a separate Senior club championship already, different North Board, South Board etc. club championships.
It's nonsense that they can't find some way of sending their 17th ranked team but sure it's all CP's fault and everyone else should change to the Kerry format is what I've heard before.
They don't give a f**k, will continue to pat themselves on the back for cleaning up in the lower club competitions. We had to hear enough whinging about funding when the Dubs were doing wreck in the 2010's but an actual complete competitive advantage in these club competitions for another big county doesn't seem as problematic.
You sound very peeved that Kerry's club structure, which predates the All Ireland club championships by decades, works for Kerry clubs? And like many you struggle to grasp the "why"..
Yes, there is a North Kerry Championship, South Kerry Championship etc at the end of the county championships (totally unconnected) in which every clubs first team competes against each other in that district. Fossa were Junior last year and played Crokes who are Senior in the East Kerry Championship for example. Most people from other counties can't get their head around this at all. Why are these competitions there? To give more games, which up to a few years ago was badly needed for teams who were gone from knockout county championships early. Not so much now. But still.
One big thing is that if I compare the few counties I know best, Cork, Clare and Kerry..the average Kerry club footballer gets 3/4 times the games the others do every year. And there are very few meaningless games because A)The county league in Kerry is taken very seriously and there is 3 up/3 down from each division and B)Clubs get to compete against teams in grades above them and have a cut off them. It's a big motivator and Junior clubs have won divisional championships for example. Some clubs thrive on it.
As I said repeatedly, we're not changing our Senior championship to exclude divisions, we're not calling intermediate Senior B - you're either Senior or you're not - but there SHOULD 100% be an increase in number of clubs in SFC to 10, maybe more. That would have a big knock on effect down the levels. Rathmore wouldn't be intermediate last year, Fossa possibly not Junior (although they were rubbish until David Cliff came along) and straight away things are evened out a bit.
In all this wailing and gnashing of teeth by people, is it being ignored that Stewartstown should have won the damn game yesterday? And Galbally missed 2 great goal chances in a one score game? It's not like there's an enormous gap here even as currently stands!
It works for Kerry. It doesn't work outside Kerry.
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Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.
And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.
And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.
What's the Croke Park 16 team thing? Are Croke Park saying all counties must have at least 16 clubs at senior level? Or are they saying clubs must have a maximum of 16 clubs at senior level? If it's the latter I don't see how that impedes Kerry from increasing their SFC to 16?
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The reality is that number one it's only club players affected and number 2 its a tiny percentage of club players, it doesn't affect enough people to really kick up a fuss about it.
Fair point surely, but that junior roll of honour is a horror show. The Galway poster above talking about the once in a lifetime opportunity for these clubs to get their day in Croker is spot on. Just wrong on so many levels.
Bring on the national league, can kick this up again when Austin Stacks are waltzing through Munster Intermediate next year, laughable stuff.
Yeah completely unfair on those clubs, I agree 100%
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
The reality is that number one it's only club players affected and number 2 its a tiny percentage of club players, it doesn't affect enough people to really kick up a fuss about it.
Fair point surely, but that junior roll of honour is a horror show. The Galway poster above talking about the once in a lifetime opportunity for these clubs to get their day in Croker is spot on. Just wrong on so many levels.
Bring on the national league, can kick this up again when Austin Stacks are waltzing through Munster Intermediate next year, laughable stuff.
Stacks have to win In Kerry first before they get a crack at Munster.
Stacks at the moment are no great shakes, would be surprised if they claim the intermediate title next year.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.
And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.
And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.
What's the Croke Park 16 team thing? Are Croke Park saying all counties must have at least 16 clubs at senior level? Or are they saying clubs must have a maximum of 16 clubs at senior level? If it's the latter I don't see how that impedes Kerry from increasing their SFC to 16?
No, Croke Park has it that the maximum amount of teams in Senior championship is 16. Kerry have 8 clubs and 8 Divisional teams
And they have two senior championships? So surely one can have 16 clubs and the other can have 8 clubs along with their divisional sides.
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Fine, don't let Kerry compete in the club inter championship then, this can't be tail wagging the dog stuff.
Absolutely. Why cant they run it that the top 16 teams play senior championship. Twke the best 8 from that and play their divisional comp. Anyone outside the top 16 is playing intermediate, then outside the 32 should be junior. Fossa I imagine without the 2 lads would be well outside the 32 in Kerry so probably struggle most of the year.
They have more internal football competitions to beat the f**king band, a separate Senior club championship already, different North Board, South Board etc. club championships.
It's nonsense that they can't find some way of sending their 17th ranked team but sure it's all CP's fault and everyone else should change to the Kerry format is what I've heard before.
They don't give a f**k, will continue to pat themselves on the back for cleaning up in the lower club competitions. We had to hear enough whinging about funding when the Dubs were doing wreck in the 2010's but an actual complete competitive advantage in these club competitions for another big county doesn't seem as problematic.
You sound very peeved that Kerry's club structure, which predates the All Ireland club championships by decades, works for Kerry clubs? And like many you struggle to grasp the "why"..
Yes, there is a North Kerry Championship, South Kerry Championship etc at the end of the county championships (totally unconnected) in which every clubs first team competes against each other in that district. Fossa were Junior last year and played Crokes who are Senior in the East Kerry Championship for example. Most people from other counties can't get their head around this at all. Why are these competitions there? To give more games, which up to a few years ago was badly needed for teams who were gone from knockout county championships early. Not so much now. But still.
One big thing is that if I compare the few counties I know best, Cork, Clare and Kerry..the average Kerry club footballer gets 3/4 times the games the others do every year. And there are very few meaningless games because A)The county league in Kerry is taken very seriously and there is 3 up/3 down from each division and B)Clubs get to compete against teams in grades above them and have a cut off them. It's a big motivator and Junior clubs have won divisional championships for example. Some clubs thrive on it.
As I said repeatedly, we're not changing our Senior championship to exclude divisions, we're not calling intermediate Senior B - you're either Senior or you're not - but there SHOULD 100% be an increase in number of clubs in SFC to 10, maybe more. That would have a big knock on effect down the levels. Rathmore wouldn't be intermediate last year, Fossa possibly not Junior (although they were rubbish until David Cliff came along) and straight away things are evened out a bit.
In all this wailing and gnashing of teeth by people, is it being ignored that Stewartstown should have won the damn game yesterday? And Galbally missed 2 great goal chances in a one score game? It's not like there's an enormous gap here even as currently stands!
No not increased to 10, increase to 16 like everyone else or don't bother entering provincials. Thats a credit to Stewartstown that they were able to compete with a team that should be intermediate. (Fossa probably a bad example to use due to the huge impact the Cliffords have, take them out and they are a poor junior side by looks of them)
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And they have two senior championships? So surely one can have 16 clubs and the other can have 8 clubs along with their divisional sides.
Exactly. Whole thing is a joke tbh.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
The reality is that number one it's only club players affected and number 2 its a tiny percentage of club players, it doesn't affect enough people to really kick up a fuss about it.
Fair point surely, but that junior roll of honour is a horror show. The Galway poster above talking about the once in a lifetime opportunity for these clubs to get their day in Croker is spot on. Just wrong on so many levels.
Bring on the national league, can kick this up again when Austin Stacks are waltzing through Munster Intermediate next year, laughable stuff.
Stacks have to win In Kerry first before they get a crack at Munster.
Stacks at the moment are no great shakes, would be surprised if they claim the intermediate title next year.
Were they not Munster senior finalists last year? Whats happened them?
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And they have two senior championships? So surely one can have 16 clubs and the other can have 8 clubs along with their divisional sides.
Exactly. Whole thing is a joke tbh.
Kerins orahillys actually won this 16 team CLUB championship this year, and after East Kerry won the COUNTY championship, KOR went ahead to represent Kerry in the munster senior championship. The winner of this CLUB championship should be sent forward every year
Are there an equivalent CLUB intermediate and junior championship in Kerry?
Quote from: general_lee on January 16, 2023, 12:59:16 PM
And they have two senior championships? So surely one can have 16 clubs and the other can have 8 clubs along with their divisional sides.
Yeah club and County championship. 64 clubs in Kerry so they are fitting 56 clubs into 8 Divisional teams.
East Kerry was made up of 10 teams this year.
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
Just looking at the kerry gaa website here and Rathmore finished 5th in Div 1 league :o
https://www.kerrygaa.ie/fixtures-results/?compID=169395&leagueTable=y (https://www.kerrygaa.ie/fixtures-results/?compID=169395&leagueTable=y)
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
I think people are happy enough with the senior championship, do whatever you want. It's the intermediate and junior champions you are sending forward that is farcical
Croke Park signed it off when Sean Kelly was president..
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Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
I think people are happy enough with the senior championship, do whatever you want. It's the intermediate and junior champions you are sending forward that is farcical
Yes, but if we increase the number of club teams in Senior championship that will have a knock on effect at Intermediate and Junior? That's what needs to happen.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
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Quote from: smort on January 16, 2023, 01:15:33 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
I think people are happy enough with the senior championship, do whatever you want. It's the intermediate and junior champions you are sending forward that is farcical
Yes, but if we increase the number of club teams in Senior championship that will have a knock on effect at Intermediate and Junior? That's what needs to happen.
thats what everyone is saying anyway.
Nobody has an issue with the senior championship structure within Kerry, if that is what works for them then fine. However if a team that finished 5th in Division One is able to represent them at intermediate level outside their own county then it is fairly clear to me that their clubs have a distinctly unfair advantage. The roll of honour at junior and intermediate AI level would back this up. Yet the GAA do nothing about it. I don't know if the club players association is still a thing but they should be raising this issue in the interests of genuine intermediate and junior level sides.
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
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Kerry have a novice grade championship. In my opinion, the winners of this should represent Kerry in the Munster junior championship. This competition could be regraded to the Junior championship.
The current sfc could stay the same. The current Intermediate championship regraded to senior b, and no progression to Munster competitions. The current Junior championship regraded to Intermediate and the winners of that represent Kerry in Munster Intermediate competitions.
If Kerry want to keep their current structures which they should be allowed to then the above is exactly what should happen. Would leave it a much more level playing field than what is currently happening.
The Novice championship was renamed the Junior Championship around 2016. Firies won the Kerry Junior championship in 2022 while Fossa won the Kerry Premier Junior championship.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
In isolation it doesn't tell the whole story but combine it with all of the other facts and then it paints a very unfair picture. In Armagh for example we have around 16 clubs in each grade and championship status is linked to League position. Therefore roughly 16 teams in each grade which means that the 17th best team and 33rd best team represents the county in the club provincial series. Maybe that is why our clubs regularly underperform at intermediate/junior grade, as it simply isn't a level playing field.
Austin Stacks in Kerry were in last years senior Munster club final and unless something changes there is a good chance that they will be in Croke Park for next years AI intermediate final. That is not a level playing field for genuine intermediate level sides.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 16, 2023, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
In isolation it doesn't tell the whole story but combine it with all of the other facts and then it paints a very unfair picture. In Armagh for example we have around 16 clubs in each grade and championship status is linked to League position. Therefore roughly 16 teams in each grade which means that the 17th best team and 33rd best team represents the county in the club provincial series. Maybe that is why our clubs regularly underperform at intermediate/junior grade, as it simply isn't a level playing field.
Austin Stacks in Kerry were in last years senior Munster club final and unless something changes there is a good chance that they will be in Croke Park for next years AI intermediate final. That is not a level playing field for genuine intermediate level sides.
Tyrone probably as success as anyone in Ulster at intermediate and junior level and the system is the same as Armagh's. I don't think there is any issue at Ulster level.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2023, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 16, 2023, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
In isolation it doesn't tell the whole story but combine it with all of the other facts and then it paints a very unfair picture. In Armagh for example we have around 16 clubs in each grade and championship status is linked to League position. Therefore roughly 16 teams in each grade which means that the 17th best team and 33rd best team represents the county in the club provincial series. Maybe that is why our clubs regularly underperform at intermediate/junior grade, as it simply isn't a level playing field.
Austin Stacks in Kerry were in last years senior Munster club final and unless something changes there is a good chance that they will be in Croke Park for next years AI intermediate final. That is not a level playing field for genuine intermediate level sides.
Tyrone probably as success as anyone in Ulster at intermediate and junior level and the system is the same as Armagh's. I don't think there is any issue at Ulster level.
Yeah its probably our own issue rather than a grading one at Ulster, just dont have that strong of a club scene. Anyway irrelevant to the Kerry thing.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
League is played mostly without county men as well. I'd say Fossa a poor league side.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
League is played mostly without county men as well. I'd say Fossa a poor league side.
They won Division 4 and were beating Division 2 sides in the championship.
For context, if Tyrone sent the team that finished 5th in Division 1 it would be 2021 SFC champions Dromore.
Quote from: clarshack on January 16, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
League is played mostly without county men as well. I'd say Fossa a poor league side.
They won Division 4 and were beating Division 2 sides in the championship.
Had they the Clifford boys for much of the league?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
I am listening - we are NOT having a separate championship. That would make the competition with Divisional teams meaningless. There is already a separate Senior club competition that has winners going through to Munster IF a divisional team wins the County Senior championship. I don't necessarily agree with that either. The team that's gets furthest in Champ proper should go through. Dingle would have been far stronger than Rahilly's this year. They ran East Kerry to a point. If Dingle had beaten Kilmacud and won Senior this place would be in meltdown!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 16, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
League is played mostly without county men as well. I'd say Fossa a poor league side.
They won Division 4 and were beating Division 2 sides in the championship.
Had they the Clifford boys for much of the league?
No
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
I am listening - we are NOT having a separate championship. That would make the competition with Divisional teams meaningless. There is already a separate Senior club competition that has winners going through to Munster IF a divisional team wins the County Senior championship. I don't necessarily agree with that either. The team that's gets furthest in Champ proper should go through. Dingle would have been far stronger than Rahilly's this year. They ran East Kerry to a point. If Dingle had beaten Kilmacud and won Senior this place would be in meltdown!
Why on earth would that be the case? They would be the top Senior club in Kerry (however that was arrived at) and going into a competition with the rest of the top clubs from every other county.
Kerry don't have to change anything if they don't want to, CP should tell them they can't compete in the Inter club championships if they keep sending the 9th ranked club team as a representative, simple as that at this stage.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
I am listening - we are NOT having a separate championship. That would make the competition with Divisional teams meaningless. There is already a separate Senior club competition that has winners going through to Munster IF a divisional team wins the County Senior championship. I don't necessarily agree with that either. The team that's gets furthest in Champ proper should go through. Dingle would have been far stronger than Rahilly's this year. They ran East Kerry to a point. If Dingle had beaten Kilmacud and won Senior this place would be in meltdown!
Why on earth would that be the case? They would be the top Senior club in Kerry (however that was arrived at) and going into a competition with the rest of the top clubs from every other county.
Kerry don't have to change anything if they don't want to, CP should tell them they can't compete in the Inter club championships if they keep sending the 9th ranked club team as a representative, simple as that at this stage.
Yeah simple as that.
Quote from: clarshack on January 16, 2023, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 16, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
I don't think league position is that big of issue to be honest. Many counties run League separate from championship. Tyrone and a few counties take it more seriously and championship grading done on league position.
League is played mostly without county men as well. I'd say Fossa a poor league side.
They won Division 4 and were beating Division 2 sides in the championship.
Had they the Clifford boys for much of the league?
No
Maybe I'm being harsh but they looked fairly average outside the 2 lads. Must be poor enough standard in their league?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41047505.html
Could a county bring a motion to Congress?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
I am listening - we are NOT having a separate championship. That would make the competition with Divisional teams meaningless. There is already a separate Senior club competition that has winners going through to Munster IF a divisional team wins the County Senior championship. I don't necessarily agree with that either. The team that's gets furthest in Champ proper should go through. Dingle would have been far stronger than Rahilly's this year. They ran East Kerry to a point. If Dingle had beaten Kilmacud and won Senior this place would be in meltdown!
Just checking the roll of honour and Kerry clubs have won 7 out of 19 AI intermediate titles and 11 out of 21 junior titles (11 different clubs). Thats all the proof that is needed that their clubs have an unfair advantage. The argument you make regarding Dingle is a red herring, if Kerry clubs had won half the available titles at senior level I would say good luck to them as they would have earned it. Its the grading process that is the problem at provincial and AI level but the GAA are notoriously slow to act unless it becomes an issue in the media.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 16, 2023, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Ah Jesus, this is farcical stuff. I think there was an article on the42 explaining Kerry club system, I'll have to find it. Just so we're clear, there has never and never will be just club teams in Kerry Senior Championship. That's not the way it works and there is decades of tradition of teams like South Kerry, Shannon Rangers and others joining up and competing against the big boys. If you don't get it, that's fine but it works.
https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/kerry-club-system-championship-5901512-Oct2022/)
This is one piece on it. Can't find the older one I was talking about. Won't bore people with the details anyway.
You aren't listening. No ones saying dont have the divisional teams, in fact I think its a great idea and would love to see it in Armagh, have spoke about it before to people. Doesn't change the fact that a separate championship should be played with 16 senior teams, send the winner to Munster then play intermediate with the next 16 and so on.
I am listening - we are NOT having a separate championship. That would make the competition with Divisional teams meaningless. There is already a separate Senior club competition that has winners going through to Munster IF a divisional team wins the County Senior championship. I don't necessarily agree with that either. The team that's gets furthest in Champ proper should go through. Dingle would have been far stronger than Rahilly's this year. They ran East Kerry to a point. If Dingle had beaten Kilmacud and won Senior this place would be in meltdown!
Just checking the roll of honour and Kerry clubs have won 7 out of 19 AI intermediate titles and 11 out of 21 junior titles (11 different clubs). Thats all the proof that is needed that their clubs have an unfair advantage. The argument you make regarding Dingle is a red herring, if Kerry clubs had won half the available titles at senior level I would say good luck to them as they would have earned it. Its the grading process that is the problem at provincial and AI level but the GAA are notoriously slow to act unless it becomes an issue in the media.
They haven't won anything like that a senior level
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/17/clifford-benefits-from-2018-change-to-lift-trophy-for-fossa/
Kerry only have eight senior clubs, which naturally has an impact on the standard of teams in intermediate and junior with the clubs emerging from the Kingdom usually stronger than those from other counties who have a greater number of senior clubs and so a weaker pool at intermediate and junior.
They should just have a separate divisional championship at some other time of year.
The simple solution is to have a Senior B Championship with 8 teams and let the players from those teams play with the Divisional teams in the Kerry Championship. This would set the balance right and not affect anybody.
Trying to bite Clifford in the sack
How low can Tyrone actually go
https://twitter.com/adammoynihan/status/1615017141547290630?s=46&t=QrD8KQo78pLfdYy5msZY_g
Where was he putting his hand?
Quote from: clonadmad on January 16, 2023, 10:39:43 PM
Trying to bite Clifford in the sack
How low can Tyrone actually go
https://twitter.com/adammoynihan/status/1615017141547290630?s=46&t=QrD8KQo78pLfdYy5msZY_g
where was the bite? Grab by the looks of it but bite?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 16, 2023, 12:20:11 PM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.
And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.
And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.
Why did they bring in that stupid rule anyway? Like it only affected a very small number of counties, Galway and Tipperary being two. Counties should be able to do what is right for providing the best possible structure for its own clubs in terms of meaningful competitive competitions at all grades, not have Croke Park imposing unnecessary limitations upon them. Sure Kerry's system has distorted the All Ireland competitions but they were doing what was best for the county itself, not to rack up handy club All Irelands outside of it. And if what you say is true then they appear to recognise that some change may be needed but if it's Croke Park that is putting barriers in front of that then it is on them. And the divisions in Kerry are obviously important and do help in enabling players to compete at the top level without abandoning their clubs, unlike some other players we could mention. Like the idea that Clifford was playing at junior level is remarkable, and the existence of East Kerry means he didn't have to go off to Dr Crokes to play at senior.
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on January 17, 2023, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed
Clifford second yellow for foul at start of clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyRlwEBX4Oo
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on January 17, 2023, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed
This clip shows him talking to the ref in the aftermath.
https://twitter.com/AdamMoynihan/status/1614991381293826048?t=9ka0ZRIV8Wvjme5BJ-8nXA&s=09
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.
I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.
Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.
The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.
They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.
Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.
But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?
What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!
Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though
All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.
And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.
And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.
Why did they bring in that stupid rule anyway? Like it only affected a very small number of counties, Galway and Tipperary being two. Counties should be able to do what is right for providing the best possible structure for its own clubs in terms of meaningful competitive competitions at all grades, not have Croke Park imposing unnecessary limitations upon them. Sure Kerry's system has distorted the All Ireland competitions but they were doing what was best for the county itself, not to rack up handy club All Irelands outside of it. And if what you say is true then they appear to recognise that some change may be needed but if it's Croke Park that is putting barriers in front of that then it is on them. And the divisions in Kerry are obviously important and do help in enabling players to compete at the top level without abandoning their clubs, unlike some other players we could mention. Like the idea that Clifford was playing at junior level is remarkable, and the existence of East Kerry means he didn't have to go off to Dr Crokes to play at senior.
I think exactly as you mentioned, the Tips Senior hurling championship was a high profile basket case that had over 30 teams in it I recall? Galway in a similar vein. Those things needed fixing but a "one size fits all" approach is not the right one. I mean, Cork for example as I've mentioned, has 250 odd clubs and is a huge county and huge GAA county - it makes zero sense for them to have the same number of Senior clubs as Carlow or Louth.
I mean if Kerry increased to 10 clubs next year and 8 divisions in whatever kind of a system gets worked out, it would be better for everyone. The Intermediate and Junior are levelled off a bit straight away aswell. That's a perfectly logical thing to do and it's being blocked.
Kerry sending their 11th best team to play another counties 17th best team isnt much better that whats happening now.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed
That clip is inconclusive, there would need to be one from a different angle before it can be concluded as to what happened if anything.
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
First I've heard of that. Boils my f**king blood and would have zero sympathy for any player getting a broke jaw if they said that.
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Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
First I've heard of that. Boils my f**king blood and would have zero sympathy for any player getting a broke jaw if they said that.
seems to be a common theme with Kerry men. Billy Sheehan against Armagh and Finuge were at it against Cookstown 10 years ago.
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and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
First I've heard of that. Boils my f**king blood and would have zero sympathy for any player getting a broke jaw if they said that.
seems to be a common theme with Kerry men. Billy Sheehan against Armagh and Finuge were at it against Cookstown 10 years ago.
Have to laugh at it being fired at lads who'd be far more staunchly republican than the clowns saying it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
Sticks and stones..
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and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
That is absolutely disgraceful, and yet unsurprising. I've heard it at County games for years.
Clarshack could you call out who on the Fossa team were verbally abusing the Stewartstown players.Time for action.Southern media all one sided.
Jesus lads, call them a stater back and get on with it
Only a bit of verbals
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
That high tackle? Never ever a red.
Quote from: skeog on January 17, 2023, 11:42:39 AM
Clarshack could you call out who on the Fossa team were verbally abusing the Stewartstown players.Time for action.Southern media all one sided.
Sent you a pm.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
I thought a yellow was the right decision but it could just as easily have been red. That doesn't justify what followed from Stewartstown though and I felt that even though they were still well in the game, they were baying for blood towards the end when they thought the game was up. If they had avoided the first red card which was needless and avoidable then the game could have went either way.
If there was sectarian abuse then it should be called out by team management afterwards, otherwise it is mere speculation. Personally I would laugh at such nonsense but I do get how some might react differently.
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Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
Sticks and stones..
no, its not
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
It was borderline red, how many red cards would there be in a game if cloth line type tackles were red carded?
As for the name calling, Westmeath in the hurling were at it with Antrim on Saturday, at a Walsh cup game, Christ some mentality. the ref was ask to put it in his report, I'll not hold my breath
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Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
Definitely happened Cross years ago but they tended to shut boys up in the tackle and on the scoreboard.
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
That's the first in my excuse bingo card for when Northern Gaelic Football players commit acts of thuggery:
- He's from a good honest family
- The treatment he's getting in the media/social media is unfair
- it's not in his nature
- He's a great clubman and helps out coaching the kids
- The opposition were calling him names
- Leave him alone, this is affecting his mental health
- What about [insert a much more minor incident or incident from years ago]
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At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
It was borderline red, how many red cards would there be in a game if cloth line type tackles were red carded?
It get's worse each time I look at it. He was lucky he wasn't decapitated.
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At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
It was borderline red, how many red cards would there be in a game if cloth line type tackles were red carded?
It get's worse each time I look at it. He was lucky he wasn't decapitated.
🤣🤣
so sectarianism by fossa players ohhh and i bet they describe themselves true gaels
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
It was borderline red, how many red cards would there be in a game if cloth line type tackles were red carded?
It get's worse each time I look at it. He was lucky he wasn't decapitated.
🤣🤣
It seemed to wake him up as he was Stewartstown's best player after that
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2023, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
You've lived a sheltered life if you've never heard these type of verbals at a game.
That said, I'd be of the opinion it's minor. Don't think it would impact too many player's performance. I'd laugh at it myself.
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Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
You've lived a sheltered life if you've never heard these type of verbals at a game.
That said, I'd be of the opinion it's minor. Don't think it would impact too many player's performance. I'd laugh at it myself.
Haha I wouldn't say I'm sheltered, but there's a trend. Stewartstown, Cookstown, Derytresk. East Tyrone mind you. Hallions 8)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2023, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
Reports of it from Banaghers hurling semi final last year, against a Kerry club, and experienced it myself from Donegal fans at the ulster final
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Quote from: clarshack on January 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.
There's a definite trend with these alleged verbals and Tyrone teams. Don't recall it happening any Derry club sides.
Reports of it from Banaghers hurling semi final last year, against a Kerry club, and experienced it myself from Donegal fans at the ulster final
Bad enough getting it from Kerry men you could excuse their ignorance down there, but men from border counties saying that shite is low.
how many of those players read the bible.
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At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.
I doubt whether the 2 Cliffords will get the same level of treatment in any other game this year, it definitely wouldn't be as bad as that at county level. One had his balls squeezed and one got bust open with an elbow that could have easily broken his jaw. If Stewartstown had fallen behind earlier in the match I think it could have got out of control as they had a few subs running around like madmen looking for a bit of action.
Nonsense, the referee started to lose control by not issuing a red card to the Fossa midfielder and then the player winks afterwards, nothing to do with Stewartstown falling behind.
It was borderline red, how many red cards would there be in a game if cloth line type tackles were red carded?
It get's worse each time I look at it. He was lucky he wasn't decapitated.
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It seemed to wake him up as he was Stewartstown's best player after that
I thought he (Tiernan Rush) had a good hour. Lucky they didn't call him a Brit or that might have destroyed him completely.
He was good in fairness a busy player, to his credit he got up and got on with it..
QuoteTactical fouling pushes modern Gaelic football to the limits
The black card was an attempt to grasp cynical play problem by the stem but it was never going to take out the root as well.
FRI, 20 JAN, 2023 - 07:18
MAURICE BROSNAN
A robust nod confirmed Robbie Brennan already knew the stat that was being levelled at him. Kerins O'Rahillys 8, Kilmacud Crokes 30. The free count from their All-Ireland semi-final victory. Damning evidence, what's the plea?
"I'll do the old Premier League thing and I won't say anything because I'll get in trouble," Brennan replied. "I'll let people judge that one for themselves. It's a crazy stat." Like any good cross examination, Micheál Ó Domhnaill's follow-up attempted to delve deeper. You think the ref was hard on you then?
"Yeah. Madness some of the decisions but anyway, that is for another day. He will have to look at that himself."
Brennan was never likely to say much different. When quizzed about such a one-sided figure, the default setting is to muster some sort of a defence. For all of that the Dublin kingpins can have few complaints. Walking such a fine line invariably leads to straying the wrong side.
In Gaelic football, champions have always carried with them elements of cynicism. It is accepted as part of what it takes. Push the rules, break them if needs be. This particular case is in line with the latest evolution of strategic fouling, where the existing rules have been outstripped by coaches' response.
First, the raw numbers. Of 30 fouls, 11 came after conceding a turnover or losing their own kick-out. 10 came on Kerins O'Rahillys kick-out. Seven came during their own attack and two were after they lost the throw-in.
Clearly, Kilmacud identified David Moran as a crucial player. From kick-outs he provides a significant platform to attack. If you can't stop him in the air, slow him on the ground. Moran was fouled six times during the game. Another target, wing forward Gavin O'Brien, accounted for another five. By slowing down that transition, Kilmacud provide themselves with an opportunity to reset. Therein lies the key.
Before he was told about the free count stat, Robbie Brennan was first asked for his assessment of their performance.
"I suppose the first thing delighted to get back to a final. Coming out of here in February we were obviously very low. It is special to get back there." What happened in February? Everyone saw how the Kilmacud Crokes coach was left magnanimously congratulating Kilcoo's Mickey Moran after suffering late heartbreak. But for the coach, what really happened in February?
Two points up, goalkeeper Conor Ferris had the ball and under pressure elected to boot it up field. Kilcoo attack with Shealin Johnston sprinting forward. Andrew McGowan was able to get a hand on but he didn't foul. In actuality, he held both hands up to exaggerate that fact. A clean attempt, no free will be found here. Admirable? Undeniably. Astute? It depends on who's asking. Kilcoo carried on and score the decisive goal.
The black card was a welcomed effort to reach down and grasp the cynical play problem by the stem. At the same time, it was never going to take out the root as well. The majority of scores come from turnovers because that is when play is most unstructured. Therefore, a stoppage and a chance to establish a defensive structure remain valuable. All that changed was that the price went up.
So it became more sophisticated. Now overly forceful tackling, leaving hands in, pulling jerseys back but not down offer the opportunity to break up play. Consider the fourth minute in the semi-final. Craig Dias' shot dropped short and Kerin O'Rahillys look to respond. A long kick pass found Barry John Keane who immediately is wrapped up for a free.
There are two more frees during the attack. Dias for two hands on Pádraig Neenan. Later a push in the back on Jack Savage outside the 45. He took the free off the ground and dropped it short.
In the entire game, Dias fouled a remarkable seven times. It was only after six different infringements and a high tackle in the second half that he was shown a yellow card.
Detractors bemoan what it does to the spectacle. Look for a solution and the shrieks taper off. The tally is well spread out. Of 14 outfield players, just two Kilmacud starters did not concede a free. Referee Niall Cullen did his best to keep the game flowing despite the stoppages. Only two players, Dias and O'Brien, were shown a yellow card for a tackle. The other three were all for off the ball incidents.
Aidan Jones' foul on Jack Savage before half-time was a borderline yellow, the fact he had already conceded a free before that perhaps enough to seal it. Who is going to monitor that? Already referees have too much on their plate. In basketball, a player who conceded six personal fouls is fouled out. Are supporters willing to accept that as a cost?
While the repeated interruptions might provoke irritation, imagine the uproar if a player was sent off for repeated fouling in an All-Ireland decider. No referee wants that rod and the association shows no desire to take on such a war.
A stalemate it is then. That is not say tactical fouling is 100% efficient. Kerry's only goal in the 2022 championship came after a turnover and the referee playing advantage. Kilmacud Crokes conceded just three goals in the Dublin championship and none since. All three came after turnovers. Against Templeogue Synge Street, an inaccurate sideline was intercepted and in the back of the net seven seconds later. No time for an arm pull there.
In the quarter-final against Cuala, there was a turnover and then a foul. However, they lost possession during a Paul Mannion tackle and Cuala's attack restarted quickly after the free. Amidst all of that, it finished in a green flag.
Against Thomas Davis, it was an intercepted free-kick that led to a goal eight seconds later.
This conundrum has been at the heart of Gaelic football coaching for a decade. There is wide recognition of what we all want to see and a general understanding of what it takes to win. Egregious transgressions are not tolerated but the boundary will continually be pushed as long as the penalty is relatively low.
Put it this way. There is no doubt what Andrew McGowan would do if Kilmacud Crokes were afforded a do-over on that 2022 final attack and put in the same spot again. The question is if it was your team, what would you want him to do?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41052782.html
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
how many of those players read the bible.
Peter Canavan's autobiography?
Mannion to feature today from atart?
All the best to Glen today, hope they win but had Crokes down for winners before a ball was kicked or even Walsh been transferred Just don't hope Glen freeze and do themselves justice.
Glen great value @2/1. Kilmacud goalie is an accident waiting to happen.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 02:42:07 PM
All the best to Glen today, hope they win but had Crokes down for winners before a ball was kicked or even Walsh been transferred Just don't hope Glen freeze and do themselves justice.
What sort of a tart?
Very little grass on Croke park, probably not affect the football as much as the hurling
Mannion starts.
That's not good for glen if he's fit. Tbf it's a bit unfair on whoever has been starting for kc all year unless there's injuries.
Big risk starting Mannion. Can't have played much football in last 3 months.
Missed last years final . Hopefully for Glenn he isn't the difference today.
Jaysus what a cracking goal.
Unreal goal
The big question is how the game will be reff'd. A lot of talk about tactical fouling from Kilmacud so you'd imagine that will be scrutinised more so. Similar to Glen in the semi after their game after against Kilcoo.
Safe to say Glen have come out of the blocks flying. They'll need to keep it up unlike the semi though
Scoreboard wrong on TG4? Should be Glen 1-2 ?
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Scoreboard wrong on TG4? Should be Glen 1-2 ?
I think it may have been wide
1-2 now. Wide in the end.
Great start by Glen, that was some goal by Tallon.
Clinical.
Have my doubts about the Glen keeper
Walsh having a stinker so far, has cost them 1-1.
Crokes aren't at it early, missed what should have been 2 handy points
Any possibility Shane Walsh knows he shouldn't be there. If he plays out of his skin, he robs lads that have played together since they were cubs.
Very harsh penalty.
Ideal start for Glen. Kilmacud looked rattled. Out of nothing a penalty for them and are back in the game. Glen lead 1-3 to 1-1 16 mins played.
Penalty all day, stupid tackle. He had plenty off cover
Quote from: pbat on January 22, 2023, 03:47:11 PM
Penalty all day, stupid tackle. He had plenty off cover
Harsh? He didn't play the ball
Shane Walsh takes a good penalty
Crokes shooting has been absolutely stinkin. That penalty was a gift, absolutely brutal one to give away
None of these lads play with a sweeper
Was it not outside square?
Penalty all day long. Right back in it now. Waste.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 03:46:37 PM
Very harsh penalty.
Jesus I think its a stone wall penalty. Silly tackle still had keeper another defender to beat, thoguh in fairness he might have thought he could knock the ball away.
Glass needs to get into this match very quiet so far.
After a brilliant start, Glen are playing some very dumb stuff now
Was that really charging? Glen blowing this a bit.
Quote from: Schkite on January 22, 2023, 03:53:30 PM
After a brilliant start, Glen are playing some very dumb stuff now
They've gone into their shell again sitting back allowing Glen have possession. The only positive is that if Kilmacud had their shooting boots they'd be 2 or 3 ahead so still all to play for.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 22, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Was that really charging? Glen blowing this a bit.
Thought it should have been a free in to Glen.
That's not charging, did the Crokes lad not turn into him, as he slipped left at high speed?
Blatant glen free IMO.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 22, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Was that really charging? Glen blowing this a bit.
Harsh call. Looked more liked a frontal tackle from the defender. Is the duty of care avoid contact down to the forward now? Warnock got caught a couple of times in the semi final bringing the ball into contact like that.
Glen getting no break ball at Midfield
Glen need half time there's only been one team in it the last 15 minutes!
Panicking a wee bit here. Need to keep possession and a score to settle them a bit. Still only the minimum between them
Half time Glen 1-3 Kilmacud Crokes 1-4. Flying start for Glen but still find themselves behind at half time.
Looks ominous for Glen but they're still in this on the scoreboard at least. Their big players haven't turned up apart from Tallon.
Glen need to regroup at HT or they're done for, KC much the better team after the first 15 minutes, if they could shoot they'd already be 4 or 5 up. Glen getting cleaned in MF again.
Kilmacud have missed 2 easy frees so should really be 3 ahead.
Glen need more out of Conor Glass in the 2nd half.
Thought that showed serious balls from Tallon the first minute of his first AIF the easy point was on but he went for the goal and got it a really brilliant piece of play.
Ethan Doherty needs to tighten up his passing and they need more from Glass and Bradley in MF.
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 22, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Was that really charging? Glen blowing this a bit.
Harsh call. Looked more liked a frontal tackle from the defender. Is the duty of care avoid contact down to the forward now? Warnock got caught a couple of times in the semi final bringing the ball into contact like that.
I thought that was the correct call, Warnock was like a prop forward, ran straight down the throat of the defender when all he had to do was go either side. The penalty was a harsh call but this referee blows for minimal contact.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2023, 04:02:03 PM
Panicking a wee bit here. Need to keep possession and a score to settle them a bit. Still only the minimum between them
I still fancy yous Jog. Just need to be a bit smarter and slicker in possession , and Glass won't be kept quiet for much longer. Hope yous do it.
Quote from: HiMucker on January 22, 2023, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2023, 04:02:03 PM
Panicking a wee bit here. Need to keep possession and a score to settle them a bit. Still only the minimum between them
I still fancies you Jog. Just need to be a bit smarter and slicker, and Glass won't be kept quiet for much longer. Hope yous do it.
Thanks lad but I'm not a Wattys man! Kicking every ball for them today right enough!
Crokes decision making is shocking. Mannion very poor. Glen still good value to win @11/4.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 22, 2023, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2023, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 22, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Was that really charging? Glen blowing this a bit.
Thought it should have been a free in to Glen.
For what? Glen player ran straight into him.
Warlock took a step left, Crokes player just met him full on. I thought a Glen free. Seems a sin now in football to not come out of a tackle clean sorta promotes handpassing.
Glen have been a second half team all year, this gonna be tight
Ethan Doherty taking it to kc. Glen really need more from glass.
Glen got a few passengers up front.
Big Glass needs to step up
Glass playing a sweeper, but Mannion and, Walsh are playing in front him. Needs to push way up the field.
Crokes do seem to foul near straight away in tackles alot.
Glen hit the front again 40 mins played. 1-6 to 1-5
Another great start to a half by Glen. They need to keep it up this time as Crokes will come back
Never a free there
Glen much better now, this looks like going down to the wire.
He's consistent with the fouls he's blowing for, whether they are soft or not
Barring that charge I think he's got everything spot on. Doing a good job,
That was the winning of the game for glen there.
He's very fussy but at least he's consistent. Massive goal chance missed there by Glen.
That was the winning of the game there, big miss.
That 'shot' should be in the WTF thread
Fell over himself, f**k me!
1-9 each 51 mins played.
Is Glass carrying an injury? Have very little impact so far. Cue him hitting the winner!
Some brain farts in front of goal
Glen manage another f**k up there.
Glen not helping themselves at all here should be at least 2 up.
Glen have shat them when in on goal a few times now
Be surprised if they win this. Making bad decisions.
Glass getting a sore touch, has had more of an impact than Walsh or Mannion so far for me. Glen's problem is in front of goal.
Two handy enough scores left behind. Glen need to forget the goals and keep taking the easy points.
Glen play Glass way too far bck, and not as a attacking midfielder where he should be with E Bradley further up front. Some of Glen's forwards their achilles heel.
Heartbroken for them already, the chances they'd have put away 9/10
Bit like, Derry v Donegal 2yrs ago, nobody willing to take on the % shot.
Going to lose by a point or two here and kick themselves for it.
Glen keeper a massive weakness in their team. Big glass invisible.
Ffs some save that.
what a save
Glen will have plenty of regrets about this game they were more than capable of beating Crokes but silly errors cost them badly and their main men not putting in the performances they're capable of.
I think they'll be back again though!
Crokes 1-11 to 1-9 winners. Glen will look back on the goal opportunities not taken
Kilmacud keeper lost it for them last year but more than made up for it this year
Glen played well 2nd half, the 20mins end of the first half will haunt them. along with the bad goal miss. Crokes have better forwards.
Shane Walsh wins his all Ireland
I thought the ref was supposed to add on at least 30 sec for each sub.
There was 3 mins of injury time and within that 3 mins Crokes made 2 or 3 subs (lads who walked off slowly) yet the ref blew on 63 mins.
Won't be a cow milked in Stillorgan tonight.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 22, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
Won't be a cow milked in Stillorgan tonight.
Few of the Crokes men be getting milked though
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 04:52:24 PM
I thought the ref was supposed to add on at least 30 sec for each sub.
There was 3 mins of injury time and within that 3 mins Crokes made 2 or 3 subs (lads who walked off slowly) yet the ref blew on 63 mins.
Was 63.45 seconds so it's ok
Tough one for Glen to take on the chin. Only needed to take one of those goal chances 2nd half to win.
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 04:52:24 PM
I thought the ref was supposed to add on at least 30 sec for each sub.
There was 3 mins of injury time and within that 3 mins Crokes made 2 or 3 subs (lads who walked off slowly) yet the ref blew on 63 mins.
Don't think that's in the rules, just up to the ref
What a save at the end! Hard luck Wattys, they'll be back for sure. Congrats to Crokes + their Galway superstar
That slip by O Hara was costly. But other errors too. Bradley fielded some great ball in midfield. Mullin was very good for kilmacud m
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 04:52:24 PM
I thought the ref was supposed to add on at least 30 sec for each sub.
There was 3 mins of injury time and within that 3 mins Crokes made 2 or 3 subs (lads who walked off slowly) yet the ref blew on 63 mins.
Was 63.45 seconds so it's ok
How's it ok?
There was 2 or 3 subs made during this time. Basically wasted 2 mins.
Poor by the ref.
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
Goal miss plus E Doherty mess for a point soon after it was the winning of the game, it would have them a 4/5pt lead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
And we think O'Rourke is a good manager! ;D
Glen didn't play well but had enough chances to have won that match. It's a long road back from AI defeat but the last 2 winners came back from defeats in finals to win it the following year. Lack of scoring forwards ultimately cost them. Small margins at that level, on the other side you had Shane Walsh kicking a 45 over with his weak foot.
Had enough to win, played rightly outside of a bad 20min spell end of first half. Crokes had way stronger forwards on top of, Walsh and Mannion.
What is it about Derry teams and choking on the big stage?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
Walsh only non-Dublin player in the Kilmacud panel. Clancy only 19/20. Was FB on Dublin u20s last year.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
What is it about Derry teams and choking on the big stage?
Ah lad, leave it out!
Quote from: Gael85 on January 22, 2023, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
Walsh only non-Dublin player in the Kilmacud panel. Clancy only 19/20. Was FB on Dublin u20s last year.
So does that mean he gets paid more than the others?
Quote from: Gael85 on January 22, 2023, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
Walsh only non-Dublin player in the Kilmacud panel. Clancy only 19/20. Was FB on Dublin u20s last year.
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1617204717636960256
is derry competitive would it be no certainty glen win derry next year again.
In the very last play, the short 45, the Glen full back just had to get the slightest of touches to that show and they were All Ireland champions, he tried to fist ti too hard and missed it, it's a game of inch's as they say. Not sure about Glen being back as if the rumours are true O'Rourke is leaving
16 Crokes players on pitch at end?
Quote from: pbat on January 22, 2023, 05:13:50 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 22, 2023, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
Not that I like to point sthing out, but why they not play J Doherty at Midfield, E Bradley at 11, It allow Glass to be attacking midfielder with J Doherty covering bck. What lads not from Dublin on that Crokes team, Where's Clancy fron?
Walsh only non-Dublin player in the Kilmacud panel. Clancy only 19/20. Was FB on Dublin u20s last year.
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1617204717636960256
Shane is from Dublin. He played with Offaly under the parentage rule.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:16:49 PM
16 Crokes players on pitch at end?
Just got a message showing it. Had 16 defending the last free. I'm sure the appeal is being written up as we speak
No point complaining about it. The game gone. Just edged out on the day, a bad 20mins in the first half did the damage.
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:16:49 PM
16 Crokes players on pitch at end?
Just got a message showing it. Had 16 defending the last free. I'm sure the appeal is being written up as we speak
Tyrone still waiting on their 1995 Charlie Redmond appeal decision.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:25:56 PM
No point complaining about it. The game gone. Just edged out on the day, a bad 20mins in the first half did the damage.
Crokes brought 2 on to defend the 45. It's dodgy
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2023, 05:14:39 PM
is derry competitive would it be no certainty glen win derry next year again.
Nobody in Derry will get near them for a while if they play to their potential
It's frowned upon in Crossmaglen and Corofin but a lot of teams win an All Ireland after losing one. In fact, Kilmacud did just that.
They were so bronach last year. Wattys will be back.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:25:56 PM
No point complaining about it. The game gone. Just edged out on the day, a bad 20mins in the first half did the damage.
Eh? I'm all on for taking a beating and moving on, but you can't have extra men on the pitch, especially with the game in the melting pot. Of course you can complain about it
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 05:28:20 PM
It's frowned upon in Crossmaglen and Corofin but a lot of teams win an All Ireland after losing one. In fact, Kilmacud did just that.
They were so bronach last year. Wattys will be back.
Going into the transfermarket was a help too . Shane Walsh MOTM in most games leading up to the final.
They do have 16 on there, just counted
I thought they were making too many subs at the death.
My point was over the alloted time during this 3 mins.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:34:16 PM
They do have 16 on there, just counted
Its actually 17. Mannion was on his way off but standing a couple of yards inside the sideline. Their 14 was due to go off but he's on the goal line.
It shouldn't be up to the clubs to appeal or not. The GAA need to call it. It looks petty if Glen appeal but Crokes f**ked up and gained an advantage
How do you do a attachment on this? Wouldn't let me.
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1617213441785360384
That's the Ref to sort out, who's on and off, didn't really play much time for late subs,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:42:22 PM
That's the Ref to sort out, who's on and off, didn't really play much time for late subs,
Sideline official
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
It's a simple process but fucked up there
The player has to leave the pitch before the sub goes on
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:42:22 PM
That's the Ref to sort out, who's on and off, didn't really play much time for late subs,
Said the same myself. Not the first time it's happened in a match and won't be the last. Whether kilmacud were trying to pull a fly one or not i don't know but surely there's enough officals there to ensure the players come off. Don't see grounds for an appeal myself. Malachy orourke quoted as saying to cahair o kane that he can't see the club taking that option anyway.
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 05:41:33 PM
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1617213441785360384
#Jaysus
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
It's a simple process but fucked up there
The player has to leave the pitch before the sub goes on
Sideline official messed up?
It's not Mannion, he already gone, still not off the pitch yet mine you, its the other lad standing on the goal line.
In the last few games Glen have followed the same blueprint. Blistering start like they're going to run away with the game after first 5 or 10 minutes. They then retreat into their shell for the next 10 or 15 minutes and allow opposition back into it. Bit of a surge after half time then a huge lull with a final push last 5 or 10 minutes to kill off the opposition.
I thought if they were able to stay within touching distance of KC until the last 5 or 10 mins then they had a real chance. KC have shown they have a real vulnerability near the end in close contests. A pity for Glass and Glen but was nice for Connor Ferris given what happened last year.
Glen can definitely come back but they have a number of limitations which the very top teams will exploit. A fit Mc Faul would solve a number of these issues. Warnock(good as he is) playing at chb means that in most cases there is an aerial threat at chf that has to be covered, with inevitably Glass falling further back in that holding midfield position. Glass covered a huge amount of ground today in a defensive capacity, he rarely pushed forward. That's the way he plays for Glen (and Derry) with Bradley being allowed to push forward more frequently. But whenever he does push forward Glen look far more dangerous. That's the balance Glen need to change.
In fairness i thought KC were the better team, with a greater attacking threat and a fine performance from Dias in midfield. I thought it was a huge management mistake to start Mannion as they already had a very settled attack. Anyway congratulations to Kilmacud, best team won.
With the subs, are we not bck to time added on for such, not that it would made a difference, Keeper just would took longer with the kick out.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
What is it about Derry teams and not being able to take their beatin like men??
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 05:41:33 PM
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1617213441785360384
#Jaysus
Yep, that image is pretty damming! 16 defenders
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
What is it about Derry teams and not being able to take their beatin like men??
I'm not from Derry.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:48 PM
Had enough to win, played rightly outside of a bad 20min spell end of first half. Crokes had way stronger forwards on top of, Walsh and Mannion.
Aye unfortunately Glen can't go into the transfer market like Kilmacud
Glass does play defensive for Derry but with McKinless and Shea Downey,, taking turns as extra sweeper, he can get forward. Derry need to use him as a attacking midfielder as he wasted on the position he plays.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
What is it about Derry teams and not being able to take their beatin like men??
I'm not from Derry.
When did I say you were?
Why can't Glen persuade one of the Cliffords to move to Derry?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:57:40 PM
With the subs, are we not bck to time added on for such, not that it would made a difference, Keeper just would took longer with the kick out.
In general you'd add on more time if they are taking the piss, there was extra 45 seconds before he blew I think, he didn't blow exactly when the clock went to 63...
Quote from: grounded on January 22, 2023, 05:55:07 PM
In the last few games Glen have followed the same blueprint. Blistering start like they're going to run away with the game after first 5 or 10 minutes. They then retreat into their shell for the next 10 or 15 minutes and allow opposition back into it. Bit of a surge after half time then a huge lull with a final push last 5 or 10 minutes to kill off the opposition.
I thought if they were able to stay within touching distance of KC until the last 5 or 10 mins then they had a real chance. KC have shown they have a real vulnerability near the end in close contests. A pity for Glass and Glen but was nice for Connor Ferris given what happened last year.
Glen can definitely come back but they have a number of limitations which the very top teams will exploit. A fit Mc Faul would solve a number of these issues. Warnock(good as he is) playing at chb means that in most cases there is an aerial threat at chf that has to be covered, with inevitably Glass falling further back in that holding midfield position. Glass covered a huge amount of ground today in a defensive capacity, he rarely pushed forward. That's the way he plays for Glen (and Derry) with Bradley being allowed to push forward more frequently. But whenever he does push forward Glen look far more dangerous. That's the balance Glen need to change.
In fairness i thought KC were the better team, with a greater attacking threat and a fine performance from Dias in midfield. I thought it was a huge management mistake to start Mannion as they already had a very settled attack. Anyway congratulations to Kilmacud, best team won.
McFaul has no control over what happens next.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2023, 06:02:28 PM
Why can't Glen persuade one of the Cliffords to move to Derry?
Good idea. Plenty of turf cutting opportunities around Glen
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 04:51:13 PM
Shane Walsh wins his all Ireland
Won't mean a f**king thing to him
Great game. Disappointed for Glen as I thought they were slightly the better team. They will rue the missed opportunities but they have the potential to come back in the next year or 2. Congratulations to Kilmacud, they took more of their chances.
I thought they held, Walsh and Mannion rightly, other non-county forwards for Crokes are fairly decent.
Quote from: Gold on January 22, 2023, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 04:51:13 PM
Shane Walsh wins his all Ireland
Won't mean a f**king thing to him
lol, an All Ireland won't mean anything to him. What planet are you on?
It be the only one he won, he's now 30., Galway wouldn't beat Kerry so that be his lot, maybe another club all Ireland.
Quote from: pbat on January 22, 2023, 03:47:11 PM
Penalty all day, stupid tackle. He had plenty off cover
Not for me. Dropped like a sack and anyway it was outside the box
Typical that a tiny Wee traffic warden gave it though
Quote from: Gold on January 22, 2023, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 04:51:13 PM
Shane Walsh wins his all Ireland
Won't mean a f**king thing to him
In post match interviews Shane Walsh paid tribute to his club in Galway for their support this past week.
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
It's not like that last play from the 45m kick was really impacted by them having 16 players on the pitch so I think for that reason Glen will not object. It had no real material impact on the result unlike say Joe Sheridan scoring a try. The Kilmacud blatant time wasting should have resulted in the referee allowing for one more play though.
" 𝑾𝒆 had the disappointment from last year" says Shane Walsh ;D
Quote from: grounded on January 22, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 05:41:33 PM
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1617213441785360384
#Jaysus
Yep, that image is pretty damming! 16 defenders
17 including Mannion who is just out of shot. If ORourke /Glen dont appeal this I will be disgusted.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 06:07:48 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2023, 06:02:28 PM
Why can't Glen persuade one of the Cliffords to move to Derry?
Good idea. Plenty of turf cutting opportunities around Glen
Glass could give him a job in the cafe
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2023, 06:02:28 PM
Why can't Glen persuade one of the Cliffords to move to Derry?
Summer in Maghera isn't as nice as Killarney.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
What is it about Derry teams and not being able to take their beatin like men??
How so?
We were beaten, we're not appealing anything....how does that equate to not taking your beating?
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
It's not like that last play from the 45m kick was really impacted by them having 16 players on the pitch so I think for that reason Glen will not object. It had no real material impact on the result unlike say Joe Sheridan scoring a try. The Kilmacud blatant time wasting should have resulted in the referee allowing for one more play though.
Yeah, ref meesed up.
Should have played a total of at least 5 mins, even 6.
Gona have get them Maghera lasses to get their claws onto the younger Canavan. Drag him to Maghera lol
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
It's not like that last play from the 45m kick was really impacted by them having 16 players on the pitch so I think for that reason Glen will not object. It had no real material impact on the result unlike say Joe Sheridan scoring a try. The Kilmacud blatant time wasting should have resulted in the referee allowing for one more play though.
Yeah, ref meesed up.
Should have played a total of at least 5 mins, even 6.
I'd say Glen messed up a lot with in front of goal, they messed up their kick outs
So 3 allocated for over 30 minutes and you wanted to double that to 6 in the space of 3 minutes?
Quote from: Silver hill on January 22, 2023, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah I'd be 100 percent sending in an appeal. Can't make such an error on sideline.
What is it about Derry teams and not being able to take their beatin like men??
How so?
We were beaten, we're not appealing anything....how does that equate to not taking your beating?
if it was the other way around they would absolutely 100% appeal it and they would win.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 06:53:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
It's not like that last play from the 45m kick was really impacted by them having 16 players on the pitch so I think for that reason Glen will not object. It had no real material impact on the result unlike say Joe Sheridan scoring a try. The Kilmacud blatant time wasting should have resulted in the referee allowing for one more play though.
Yeah, ref meesed up.
Should have played a total of at least 5 mins, even 6.
I'd say Glen messed up a lot with in front of goal, they messed up their kick outs
So 3 allocated for over 30 minutes and you wanted to double that to 6 in the space of 3 minutes?
Walsh took around 30 seconds for that free on the edge of normal time and there was at least another 90 seconds of dead time. Also if the sideline official and referee realised that the 45m kick had been taken with 16 Kilmacud players on the pitch then it should have been retaken. I think they have every justification for wanting an additional minute.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 06:53:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2023, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 22, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
At the McKenna Cup game last night, McGuigan was substituted off towards the end of the game. Was a Tyrone kickout, Morgan launched it down the terrace side. McGuigan hadn't departed the pitch yet on the stand side, not involved at all in the play that was progressing and in another 5 seconds and he would've been off the playing surface. Ref was notified, and the play brought back for the kickout to be retaken. So even where Mannion was standing should've been enough for the '45 to be retaken.
Cahair O'Kane has already tweeted that Glen won't be appealing.
Walsh took around 30 seconds for that free on the edge of normal time and there was at least another 90 seconds of dead time. Also if the sideline official and referee realised that the 45m kick had been taken with 16 Kilmacud players on the pitch then it should have been retaken. I think they have every justification for wanting an additional minute.
It's not like that last play from the 45m kick was really impacted by them having 16 players on the pitch so I think for that reason Glen will not object. It had no real material impact on the result unlike say Joe Sheridan scoring a try. The Kilmacud blatant time wasting should have resulted in the referee allowing for one more play though.
Yeah, ref meesed up.
Should have played a total of at least 5 mins, even 6.
I'd say Glen messed up a lot with in front of goal, they messed up their kick outs
So 3 allocated for over 30 minutes and you wanted to double that to 6 in the space of 3 minutes?
Well you'll need to change the rules, the ref can't add on time unless it's a stoppage due to injury. Adding time on for subs would be 20 seconds 5 subs per team works out at about 3 minutes :D
They had 63.45 minutes and lost it when missing those opportunities during the game. Not because the referee didn't add an extra 15 seconds.
If Glen played for another 10 minutes they'd have still lost!
It's the ref's fault.....
I don't think Glen should appeal and the result should stand.
But I think the GAA should come out and stand Derek O Mahoney down for the first two rounds of the national league as a result of todays 16 man c**k up. People will argue its the fourth official's responsibility and to an extent it is, but the buck ultimately stops with the referee. The GAA love these "respect the referee" campaigns but were will be the respect for Glen and all they've put in to this season if Derek is refereeing a division one game next weekend.
My father used to say about Armagh team in the 90's it seemed to be harder to get off the panel than get on it, bit like that with the "elite" referees panel. If there is no consequences to these guys actions were is the motivation to improve standards.
What is the official rule playing 90secs with a extra man?
In those last minutes of a game its carnage on the line so unfortunately you'll get these confusing situations. Of course that doesn't make it ok either.
If Glen review this game, they'll be cursing those missed chances
95 all ireland final, dubs involved as well, just have to suck it up. As for the game, thought glen should have fisted those goal chances over the bar. Easy from the tv though
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
The Manchester City of GAA clubs win one to go with all the ones the Man City of counties won. Hard luck to Glen, hope they are back next year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 07:33:03 PM
In those last minutes of a game its carnage on the line so unfortunately you'll get these confusing situations. Of course that doesn't make it ok either.
If Glen review this game, they'll be cursing those missed chances
First time finalists versus previous year's finalists often involve post mortems.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
All the way to Galway, it's huge
Was the Crokes keeper same lad that had the howler last year in final? Fairly made up for it with that save if so.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
Huge - they'd have well over 100 boys in each year from maybe u8 to 12 or 13 before it starts falling off and they start to lose them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2023, 07:33:03 PM
In those last minutes of a game its carnage on the line so unfortunately you'll get these confusing situations. Of course that doesn't make it ok either.
If Glen review this game, they'll be cursing those missed chances
One of those goals goes in and they probably win the AI title, thems the fine margins. The one with about 10 minutes to go where the Glen forward missed his kick was the biggest missed chance. The other one in injury time was a snap shot but both players had to go for goal. There were a few other bad options though in the closing stages and I suppose it could be put down to nerves given what's at stake.
On the face of it they lost the title but I felt their overall performance was better than that of Kilcoo in last years final and they had no Walsh or Mannion to contend with. Hopefully they get another chance to win it but there's no guarantee of anything, it's a long grind to get to that stage of the competition.
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
Huge - they'd have well over 100 boys in each year from maybe u8 to 12 or 13 before it starts falling off and they start to lose them
Did I read they had around 20 teams per age group? And don't actually bother with the Dublin leagues but just play in house?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2023, 08:01:22 PM
Was the Crokes keeper same lad that had the howler last year in final? Fairly made up for it with that save if so.
It was. I'd say he had some sleepless nights since the Kilcoo final. I'd say Kilmacud will still be on the lookout in the transfer window for a new keeper as he is still a weak link for them.
No guarantee to come out of, Derry,
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 22, 2023, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
All the way to Galway, it's huge
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 22, 2023, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: straightred on January 22, 2023, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
What sort of catchment area is Crokes? Know, Slaughtneil and Glen are on top of each other.
Huge - they'd have well over 100 boys in each year from maybe u8 to 12 or 13 before it starts falling off and they start to lose them
Did I read they had around 20 teams per age group? And don't actually bother with the Dublin leagues but just play in house?
No - they play all right and thats also gross exaggeration. I don't know about u12 and below as thats small sided but when it gets to 15 a side they might have 3 or 4 and then it falls back to 2 or 3 for minor. Always one of the top teams
If you count the surrounding areas of the parish of Kilmacud who would gravitate to that club. It could be 100,000. Stillorgan, Mount Merrion, Foxrock, Leopardstown and Blackrock off the top of my head.
Glen were well below par today considering their previous performances during this 2 year run. They were only kept alive by Kilmacud's awful shooting. Still could have won and will look at this as an all Ireland that was throw away. Fair play to Crokes, deserved it over the balance of play.
Can we stop with this appeal talk. What do people think would happen? There is no way the match would be replayed. The only punishment I can think off is maybe a 1 match ban to the players that didn't leave and even then it would be a stretch.
On a final note the Walsh transfer stinks. No problem with players transferring to other clubs, it's an amateur sport after all and I wouldn't expect a player to travel halfway across the country to train. But you're telling me that of all the clubs in Dublin, Walsh just so happened to settle in the catchment area of last year's beaten finalists? Sceptical.
Quote from: WT4E on January 22, 2023, 08:45:14 PM
If you count the surrounding areas of the parish of Kilmacud who would gravitate to that club. It could be 100,000. Stillorgan, Mount Merrion, Foxrock, Leopardstown and Blackrock off the top of my head.
Roysh. How many would be GAA aficionados ?
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
would kilmacud beat some counties.
What's in the GAA official rulebook?
Quote from: WT4E on January 22, 2023, 08:45:14 PM
If you count the surrounding areas of the parish of Kilmacud who would gravitate to that club. It could be 100,000. Stillorgan, Mount Merrion, Foxrock, Leopardstown and Blackrock off the top of my head.
These areas would be in the zone alright, but the population is a lot less than 100,000, although they still have 10 times the catchment o Kilcoo or Glen. However, they have a real committent to both huring and football, which might be true of Slaughtneil but is not true of other prominent clubs.
There are no proper catchment areas in Dublin, but Kilmacud would be bounded by Cabinteely, Olafs and Ballinteer.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2023, 09:10:46 PM
would kilmacud beat some counties.
Their hurlers would beat Louth and their footballers would beat Kilkenny.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 08:29:51 PM
No guarantee to come out of, Derry,
other teams would need to up their game big time. Kilcoo will be mad for a tear at them though.
Just thinking there we had a game replayed vs Laois one year because they made too many subs, Croke Park probably should be stepping in here if 17 players were on the pitch. Not that I'd be in favour.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
The whole Walsh thing as a disgrace, absolutely stinks. Is it true he's getting big € as well?
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Which Moycullen player?
He has some cheek and the amount of imports they have themselves, physician heal thyself.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Probably was just about outside but impossible for a ref to know for sure the way it played out. VAR would maybe have overturned it.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Walsh is teaching in Dublin too.
He reaching Jim McGuinness terrority on his student category, He not coming 30 this year, I was out Uni at 23 and that was a year late.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:12:19 PM
What's in the GAA official rulebook?
Rule 7.4 Validity of Team Constitution, appeal within 3 days.
Outcome at disceration of CCC and including forfeiture of game without awarding game to opposition. C c c decide the penalty!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:45:35 PM
He reaching Jim McGuinness terrority on his student category, He not coming 30 this year, I was out Uni at 23 and that was a year late.
He didn't go to college after secondary school.
Worked in the bank and various other jobs.
Obviously decided as he got older that teaching is what he wanted to do.
Nothing wrong with that
If the penalty was considered a foul (and it was soft but to be fair the ref was quite fussy in not allowing much contact) then it was borderline inside or outside. Similar to the one Kilcoo got in the Ulster final but missed.
The Shane Walsh transfer does indeed stink, in a game that close, he made a difference so it must be a bitter pill for Glen to swallow.
The initial foul ( and it is a foul) started outside.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Could you steer me in the direction of that tweet?
Extremely ironic!
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2023, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Could you steer me in the direction of that tweet?
Extremely ironic!
https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08 (https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08)
Moycullen have a Knockmore midfielder and an Antrim fella as well. Are there more?
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2023, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Could you steer me in the direction of that tweet?
Extremely ironic!
https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08 (https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08)
Moycullen have a Knockmore midfielder and an Antrim fella as well. Are there more?
I doubt they are paying them.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2023, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 22, 2023, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Thought that looking at penalty on the news, but haven't watched it back.
Walsh is a student, so I'm sure someone could get him digs in the area.
It stinks tbh, he's with Hibernia college as far as I know, which is largely online, so he doesn't need to be in Dublin at all (for college anyway).
I see a Moycullen player had a cut at him on twitter as well.
Could you steer me in the direction of that tweet?
Extremely ironic!
https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08 (https://twitter.com/DavidWy08468671/status/1617203711578619905?t=ER4V4cIlasQm7TnFBDxFww&s=08)
Moycullen have a Knockmore midfielder and an Antrim fella as well. Are there more?
The Antrim lad is on the Galway panel - Eoin Gallagher.
They have a lad that played underage with Cavan also - Niall Walsh.
They seem to have a lot of good young lads coming though all the same. Won the minor A in Galway against the head this year against a team with 5 starters on the AI winning Galway minor team.
To be honest - looking at the tweet there I think he's having a laugh with Walsh. He's tagged him in it and they are friends - Wynne played for Galway for a number of years with Shane.
I don't think there's anything in it to be honest.
Quote from: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?
Probably was just about outside but impossible for a ref to know for sure the way it played out. VAR would maybe have overturned it.
No probably about it.
It was outside.....the ref didnt give himself time to think, just got excited and immediately signalled for a penalty.
Generally tight ones are given as 13 yard frees.
It totally and utterly changed the game
Horrific call
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 10:20:59 PM
If the penalty was considered a foul (and it was soft but to be fair the ref was quite fussy in not allowing much contact) then it was borderline inside or outside. Similar to the one Kilcoo got in the Ulster final but missed.
The Shane Walsh transfer does indeed stink, in a game that close, he ???made a difference so it must be a bitter pill for Glen to swallow.
What is it about Dublin and cheating? The county set up has been at it for decades and now the clubs. They are the Rangers of GAA.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 22, 2023, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2023, 10:20:59 PM
If the penalty was considered a foul (and it was soft but to be fair the ref was quite fussy in not allowing much contact) then it was borderline inside or outside. Similar to the one Kilcoo got in the Ulster final but missed.
The Shane Walsh transfer does indeed stink, in a game that close, he ???made a difference so it must be a bitter pill for Glen to swallow.
What is it about Dublin and cheating? The county set up has been at it for decades and now the clubs. They are the Rangers of GAA.
Man City/PSG more like.
I'd say any manager, worth his salt, whose team is a couple of points up this incoming season will be making a few subs in injury time and leaving one of the players on the pitch.
Quote from: marty34 on January 23, 2023, 07:27:53 AM
I'd say any manager, worth his salt, whose team is a couple of points up this incoming season will be making a few subs in injury time and leaving one of the players on the pitch.
Precedent has been set buck. Buck has got to stop with the ref/4th official. Shouldn't get another game for a long time. Any game I ever played the ref made sure he saw which player was going off for any sub coming on. If they're taking the piss add time on like feck for it. Really really bare minimum stuff
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games(15 players behind the ball might not be enough , even if one of them is the second best player in Ireland and a Galway man). Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" (no irony there) , Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
I honestly can't see anything but a replay as the fairest option. Alot of gaels love to stick the boot into soccer as being a sport of cheats but flip me imagine if that had happened in a Premier League game to decide the title. The same gaels today are saying Glen should take their batein like men and move on.
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games. Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
Do you honestly believe that the clubmen of KC will have looked at this win and be annoyed? They seemed very happy at the final whistle
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-to-ask-gaa-for-clarification-on-16th-man-in-all-ireland-club-final/
Derry champions Glen have asked the GAA to review an incident at the end of Sunday's All-Ireland club football final. In the last play of the match, Kilmacud Crokes had 16 players on the pitch. The extra man was Dara Mullin, who had been replaced by Conor Casey just before a 45 was taken.
The kick was awarded after a point-blank Conor Ferris save from Conor Glass. In the picture, widely circulated on social media, Mullin can be seen standing on the line. He doesn't touch the ball, which breaks to Glen's Conleth McGuckian who shoots narrowly wide without getting a deflection, which might have sent it into the net.
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-to-ask-gaa-for-clarification-on-16th-man-in-all-ireland-club-final/
The current rule, though, offers three possible penalties: forfeiture, a rematch or a fine "depending on circumstances". Kilmacud will feel that Mullin had no role in what happened and never touched the ball whereas Glen can argue that an extra body on the line has an influence on where the kick goes.
In the semi-final, coincidentally, Mullin stopped a punched effort at goal in the final seconds of the match against Kerins O'Rahilly's.
In the Mayo-Dublin All-Ireland semi-final of 2021, a Mayo 45, which had been missed by Rob Hennelly was ordered to be retaken because Mayo had 16 players on the field. He made no mistake the second time and took the match to extra time, which saw Dublin's six-year run as champions ended.
Dublin's Charlie Redmond remained on the field for about 30 seconds in the 1995 All-Ireland final after being sent off. Tyrone opted not to object.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 22, 2023, 06:01:07 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:48 PM
Had enough to win, played rightly outside of a bad 20min spell end of first half. Crokes had way stronger forwards on top of, Walsh and Mannion.
Aye unfortunately Glen can't go into the transfer market like Kilmacud
Is there not a few Downeys looking away from Gulladuff?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games. Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
Do you honestly believe that the clubmen of KC will have looked at this win and be annoyed? They seemed very happy at the final whistle
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age , who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
One player might be ok but four or five might upset a few people lol. I think that's been resolved anyway.
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age, who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
LMFAO
The GAA will be really hoping that Glen do not appeal this result. Because if they do it puts them in a huge quandry as they might have to take some form of action, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent. On the other hand I don't think Glen would be successful if they appealed it as the cup has been lifted and we know how the GAA works. Malachy O'Rourke sounded like he didn't want to go down that route whereas the Glen chairman was less committal.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
The GAA will be really hoping that Glen do not appeal this result. Because if they do it puts them in a huge quandry as they might have to take some form of action, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent. On the other hand I don't think Glen would be successful if they appealed it as the cup has been lifted and we know how the GAA works. Malachy O'Rourke sounded like he didn't want to go down that route whereas the Glen chairman was less committal.
If they appealed they would be successful a clear rule has been broken its black and white here.
I don't think they should - it's a bloody mess though.
O'Rourke for me nailed it pre match. He was asked about nullifying etc and his answer was look we can nullify whatever threats but we need to bring our a game to win this and that pretty much didn't happen. Great job done on Walsh and Mannion but then various others stood up. KC nullified the big threat of Glass pretty well too.
Pity this has happened tbh.
The cynic in me thinks it was deliberate by KC, either way It's a really hollow victory.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 23, 2023, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
The GAA will be really hoping that Glen do not appeal this result. Because if they do it puts them in a huge quandry as they might have to take some form of action, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent. On the other hand I don't think Glen would be successful if they appealed it as the cup has been lifted and we know how the GAA works. Malachy O'Rourke sounded like he didn't want to go down that route whereas the Glen chairman was less committal.
If they appealed they would be successful a clear rule has been broken its black and white here.
I don't think they would. The optics of a side lifting the trophy, celebrating victory only to later overturn the result or order a replay would be too embarrassing for the GAA to countenance. They would find a loophole to avoid such a scenario. I don't think Glen will appeal anyway since if you put it into context, they weren't blatantly robbed of victory in a way that say Louth were when Sheridan scored the goal for Meath.
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games. Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
Do you honestly believe that the clubmen of KC will have looked at this win and be annoyed? They seemed very happy at the final whistle
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age , who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
Yes MR, on reflection and with hindsight , they'll be wondering could they have done it without parachuting in the second best player in Ireland . Throw in the , probably cynical, 17 defender fiasco as well, it's a hollow victory at best, and their promotional message to their young players and potential members is sullied .
Compare that with Kilcoo, where all players came from the same rural primary school , or indeed the Cliffords winning Junior All-Ireland with Fossa.
The GAA is not like any other sport . It doesn't have an international dimension and there's no "pay for play" , but it retains it's popularity for players , and indeed , is able to punch above it's weight, because of its ethos. Other sports admire and envy this ethos , and it should not be diluted.
City and large town clubs are advantaged by Weight of numbers , including adults migrating for work. Nobody can stop a Shane Walsh moving to Dublin for work or study , but when they get there, should there not be more regulation on what club they choose?
St Galls AI team , for example, was bolstered by "outsiders" and good luck to you, it was all within the rules. But this is open to abuse. It would completely destroy the GAA in rural areas if more students transfer to city clubs .
The Shane Walsh scenario has been a major talking point and will leave a sour taste for those players that missed out, not just for loss of game-time , but the feeling that their AI victory is sullied. Craig Dyas , for example, is the outstanding KC player IMO , but nobody's talking about him, they're talking about a Galway freetaker parachuted in for a few months. It's not right , not just for the integrity of the GAA but for undermining the KC club. Because all KC lads were cheering at the end doesn't make it right. We all cheer any victory we're involved in , even if it's "hollow".
Should be back and white.
Glen pushing for a goal, opposition add an extra defender illegally and avoid conceding.
Match should be null and void.
But this is the GAA we are talking about where rules are not always rules.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2023, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age, who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
LMFAO
Look, if it makes you feel better to tell yourself that the members of KC will see this in someway as a hollow victory, then tell yourself that. We can all look from the outside and see that this transfer was a nonsense. We can also make an assessment and say that they wouldn't even have got out of Dublin without this transfer (given that they beat NF by skin of their teeth).
However I can tell you that the members of KC won't give a single damn, and they won't even hear these arguments. They'll be in their own little euphoric bubble. And, they will think exactly as I stated above.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 23, 2023, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
The GAA will be really hoping that Glen do not appeal this result. Because if they do it puts them in a huge quandry as they might have to take some form of action, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent. On the other hand I don't think Glen would be successful if they appealed it as the cup has been lifted and we know how the GAA works. Malachy O'Rourke sounded like he didn't want to go down that route whereas the Glen chairman was less committal.
If they appealed they would be successful a clear rule has been broken its black and white here.
Corduff played an U-16 against Swanlinbar in the 2010 Ulster Junior club final. Swanlinbar objected looking a replay but the rules stated in black and white that the penalty for Corduff was to forfeit the game and they did. In yesterday's case there is an option for a replay:
Official Guide:6.44 Rules of Specification and Control - Penalties
Penalties for breaches of the above Rules shall be as follows:
(a) A team failing to field a minimum of thirteen players for the
commencement of a game:
Penalty : Forfeiture of Game and Award to the Opposing
Team.
(b) (i) A team exceeding the number of players permitted
under Rule 2.1 Rules of Specification, Playing Rules:(ii) A team exceeding the number of substitutions
GAMES - GENERAL
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permitted under Rules 2.3 (i) and (ii) or breaching Rule
2.3 (iv), Rules of Specification, Playing Rules:
Penalties:
On a proven Objection - Award of Game to the Opposing
Team, or Replay, or Fine, depending on the circumstances.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture of
Game without Award of Game to the Opposing Team, or
Replay, or Fine, depending on the circumstances.(c) (i) Failure to provide a list of Players as specified in Rule:
(ii) A Substitution (including a Temporary Substitution)
being made of a player whose name is not supplied
to the Referee or the Sideline Official, as appropriate,
and as specified in Rule:
(iii) In Inter-County games, a Substitution, (including
a Temporary Substitution) being made of a player
whose name is not on the list of Players supplied to the
Referee:
Penalty:
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture
of Game, without Award to the Opposing Team, or Fine,
depending on the circumstances.
The GAA should be getting out in front of this and declaring a replay. Embarrassing tbh.
Is there a penalty stated for having extra players on?
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2023, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age, who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
LMFAO
Look, if it makes you feel better to tell yourself that the members of KC will see this in someway as a hollow victory, then tell yourself that. We can all look from the outside and see that this transfer was a nonsense. We can also make an assessment and say that they wouldn't even have got out of Dublin without this transfer (given that they beat NF by skin of their teeth).
However I can tell you that the members of KC won't give a single damn, and they won't even hear these arguments. They'll be in their own little euphoric bubble. And, they will think exactly as I stated above.
They'll not care. The rest of us will always see the asterisk next to this title but.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 23, 2023, 10:38:18 AM
Is there a penalty stated for having extra players on?
Rules say either replay, forfeiture or fine
Any Kilmacud members on the board? Can we ask how do you feel having won the Cup by cheating?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 10:37:28 AM
The GAA should be getting out in front of this and declaring a replay. Embarrassing tbh.
Agree. It shouldn't be about Glen and if and when they appeal. Its a black and white case. We all know what happened. There's no need for inviting Glen to a meeting or anything like that. The GAA need to make a decision based on their own rules (today preferably)
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2023, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age, who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
LMFAO
Look, if it makes you feel better to tell yourself that the members of KC will see this in someway as a hollow victory, then tell yourself that. We can all look from the outside and see that this transfer was a nonsense. We can also make an assessment and say that they wouldn't even have got out of Dublin without this transfer (given that they beat NF by skin of their teeth).
However I can tell you that the members of KC won't give a single damn, and they won't even hear these arguments. They'll be in their own little euphoric bubble. And, they will think exactly as I stated above.
They'll not care. The rest of us will always see the asterisk next to this title but.
Oh , they will care, no matter how much they try. It's not right. KC are not the club they are without having integrity, honesty and fair play in droves , amongst their large membership. I've no doubt these conversations are happening within KC and many will want to be taking the high moral ground on this by engaging with The GAA and Glen on this , to protect the reputation of the club. KC already have AIs, and won't want the stench of this latest dubious one to impact their reputation going forward . PR wise it's been a disaster for them. Even the KC celebrations in the crowd were muted. I'd be surprised if they don't take the initiative on this , and get it resolved .
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 23, 2023, 10:43:01 AM
Any Kilmacud members on the board? Can we ask how do you feel having won the Cup by cheating?
tbf harsh
was at the game and thought Glenn under performed that being said in real time i didnt think it was a penalty ( outside the box) and as usual we didnt get a replay on the big screen. no 11 for glenn had a mighty game .
my club lost an ulster club championship game in the late 70s when the ref blew it up 5 minutes early with a point in it and trust me the old guys are still going on about it so will be interesting what teh GAA does.
Off the ball. Very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbuR2TM0hRE&t=4200s
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games. Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
Do you honestly believe that the clubmen of KC will have looked at this win and be annoyed? They seemed very happy at the final whistle
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age , who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
Yes MR, on reflection and with hindsight , they'll be wondering could they have done it without parachuting in the second best player in Ireland . Throw in the , probably cynical, 17 defender fiasco as well, it's a hollow victory at best, and their promotional message to their young players and potential members is sullied .
Compare that with Kilcoo, where all players came from the same rural primary school , or indeed the Cliffords winning Junior All-Ireland with Fossa.
The GAA is not like any other sport . It doesn't have an international dimension and there's no "pay for play" , but it retains it's popularity for players , and indeed , is able to punch above it's weight, because of its ethos. Other sports admire and envy this ethos , and it should not be diluted.
City and large town clubs are advantaged by Weight of numbers , including adults migrating for work. Nobody can stop a Shane Walsh moving to Dublin for work or study , but when they get there, should there not be more regulation on what club they choose?
St Galls AI team , for example, was bolstered by "outsiders" and good luck to you, it was all within the rules. But this is open to abuse. It would completely destroy the GAA in rural areas if more students transfer to city clubs .
The Shane Walsh scenario has been a major talking point and will leave a sour taste for those players that missed out, not just for loss of game-time , but the feeling that their AI victory is sullied. Craig Dyas , for example, is the outstanding KC player IMO , but nobody's talking about him, they're talking about a Galway freetaker parachuted in for a few months. It's not right , not just for the integrity of the GAA but for undermining the KC club.
And on reflection I've never heard a whisper of discontent within my club, and neither 13 years later has it come up, players move to city's for work and so on, they will either give up and stop playing or find a club that will allow them to play on, its that simple, I don't know any club that would refuse a player as that will also go against what we are about as sporting organisation.
Would we have won An All Ireland without these lads? Who knows. But being a city club I suppose we have seen it over the years and unfortunately the parish 'rules' don't apply, nobody really in the city lives in the parish of their club, the club (well ours) is 113 years old, that part of the city is long gone in relation to members living in that area. I'd say there are 3 parish type clubs in the city, I'd say there would be a lot of clubs in Dublin that have 'outsider's'
Let's be honest here! If any of our clubs got a sniff of Shane Walsh being open to switching to your club, we would all feckin love it! But, one thing that was mentioned was that he can do a lot of his course online? Is that BS?
In terms of the end, the KC players were actively defending the goal so it is an issue. It also should not be up to the opposition to appeal, etc. It leaves them in a very unfair position.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 23, 2023, 10:56:35 AM
Let's be honest here! If any of our clubs got a sniff of Shane Walsh being open to switching to your club, we would all feckin love it! But, one thing that was mentioned was that he can do a lot of his course online? Is that BS?
In terms of the end, the KC players were actively defending the goal so it is an issue. It also should not be up to the opposition to appeal, etc. It leaves them in a very unfair position.
Is he doing a teaching degree? I'd imagine he'd be in classrooms?
He can do the course online but is teaching in Dublin was what I read...
There should be a replay
The usual GAA reaction is a fudge or silence but the problem with this is that it's the GAA's own rules and any team could feel entitled to break them with impunity. Throw on 2 players and lob the ball in if you need a goal.
Brolly saying the Crokes lads should get off the beer and that a replay is the only honourable option!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: shark on January 23, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
It actually struck me at the end of the game how chaotic KC's attempts to get subs on was. As neutrals we commented that it was unusual at the time. Also commented that KC had literally everyone back. They got stung last year and were being really stretched by Glen. Their management will have come to the conclusion that they were vulnerable at the end of games. Taking in all these factors, the current in-depth prep and "win-at-all " costs mentality of top teams, it would be a master stroke to try to get extra bodies in the defence at the end . Repelling Glen's final attacks were helped by the crowding , not just physically but the Visual deterrent of numbers back defending and lack of space . Whether this was an incredibly cynical tactic or by accident , it must be seen to be penalised or now many others will be at it, especially when only the referee officiating . Tbf to KC management another explanation for the chaos could be the rush to get players on the field to keep them sweet with a bit of AI game-time , as they lost their place to "tribesman" Shane Walsh.
I hesitate to be critical of KC as they operate a brilliant club in a challenging environment, but this must be a hollow victory for most club stalwarts. On reflection, They'll be annoyed, no doubt , that it looks like their all-ireland would never have happened if they hadn't have pulled in the second best player in Ireland for a few months. Despite the cries of "Noice peno, ShaneO" , he's not one of their own , and the genuine KC gaels will have their heads in their hands this morning , wondering if it was all worth it.
Not wanting to take away from the great work being done in KC, but the Shane Walsh fiasco dominated the conversation amongst everyone I talked to about the match .."not a good look".
It's no consolation to Glen , but without Shane Walsh , and just 15 opposition players on the pitch they would have been AI champs, by some distance .
Regarding the extra players, if there isn't a rule to heavily penalise this, there should be.
Do you honestly believe that the clubmen of KC will have looked at this win and be annoyed? They seemed very happy at the final whistle
They won't be the slightest bit annoyed. They'll look around the clubhouse at lads they've known since 5 years of age , who are now all Ireland champions. They won't even consider the "why".
Yes MR, on reflection and with hindsight , they'll be wondering could they have done it without parachuting in the second best player in Ireland . Throw in the , probably cynical, 17 defender fiasco as well, it's a hollow victory at best, and their promotional message to their young players and potential members is sullied .
Compare that with Kilcoo, where all players came from the same rural primary school , or indeed the Cliffords winning Junior All-Ireland with Fossa.
The GAA is not like any other sport . It doesn't have an international dimension and there's no "pay for play" , but it retains it's popularity for players , and indeed , is able to punch above it's weight, because of its ethos. Other sports admire and envy this ethos , and it should not be diluted.
City and large town clubs are advantaged by Weight of numbers , including adults migrating for work. Nobody can stop a Shane Walsh moving to Dublin for work or study , but when they get there, should there not be more regulation on what club they choose?
St Galls AI team , for example, was bolstered by "outsiders" and good luck to you, it was all within the rules. But this is open to abuse. It would completely destroy the GAA in rural areas if more students transfer to city clubs .
The Shane Walsh scenario has been a major talking point and will leave a sour taste for those players that missed out, not just for loss of game-time , but the feeling that their AI victory is sullied. Craig Dyas , for example, is the outstanding KC player IMO , but nobody's talking about him, they're talking about a Galway freetaker parachuted in for a few months. It's not right , not just for the integrity of the GAA but for undermining the KC club.
And on reflection I've never heard a whisper of discontent within my club, and neither 13 years later has it come up, players move to city's for work and so on, they will either give up and stop playing or find a club that will allow them to play on, its that simple, I don't know any club that would refuse a player as that will also go against what we are about as sporting organisation.
Would we have won An All Ireland without these lads? Who knows. But being a city club I suppose we have seen it over the years and unfortunately the parish 'rules' don't apply, nobody really in the city lives in the parish of their club, the club (well ours) is 113 years old, that part of the city is long gone in relation to members living in that area. I'd say there are 3 parish type clubs in the city, I'd say there would be a lot of clubs in Dublin that have 'outsider's'
Absolutely , I can appreciate there were no whimpers WITHIN the club, and ST Galls did nothing outside the rules. And yes we'd all take county stars looking to join our club. But Tbf SG didn't have 17 players on the field including a parachuted superstar . I accept there are parish rules differences in cities , what I am suggesting is that there needs to be some further regulation to protect the integrity of the competition and the existing members of the city club involved.
The Wattys were absolutely devastated as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbuR2TM0hRE&t=6275s
How did it happen. In an AIF. Crazy. It's a mess for the GAA. What were the sideline officials doing? This is literally their job.
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "
I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
Does the Crokes 14 know what he's at or is it an honest mistake? How did he not see his number up?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
A great summation. Agree totally.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
Millions and millions of euros and every game being played at home would be a pretty major asterisk.
Last time Crokes won they had Longford's Brian Kavanagh on the team. He transferred from his small club in Longford a few years earlier.
There wasn't a fuss at the time - but he did teach in the area.
So why the fuss now? You either allow it, or you don't. Just because Walsh is higher profile should not be a factor.
That said, while I live just across the bypass from Stillorgan, I dont have any grá for the Crokes.
Yeah it even seems Walsh being there has came into the 17 players on the pitch thing here. It's got buck all to do with it.
Too much nonsense on Walsh. Dublin clubs have had them transfers for years and tbh any county with a city in it will see much higher profile transfers etc into the city - it's just part of life in Ireland with people gravitating to cities for jobs etc.
This thing has got way more legs than I thought it would. Tbh I'd rather not see a replay but there looks to be some mileage in things.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
Millions and millions of euros and every game being played at home would be a pretty major asterisk.
The rest of the Leinster counties are to blame for the home game issue, more than happy to take the money when they should be looking to enforce home and away arrangements. As I said up to county boards to ensure that it's a level playing field, the more money going into getting people playing GAA the better I say but it should be equitable.
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
A great summation. Agree totally.
Of course Shane Walsh is entitled to do what he wants, and nobody is suggesting that there should be special rules for special players. But club football has many regulations around eligibility eg parish rule, inter county transfers, reserve teams eligibility , sanctions to play for other clubs etc etc. A simple additional rule around not being eligible for championship until the following season , would limit the risk of potential student issues etc.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
Millions and millions of euros and every game being played at home would be a pretty major asterisk.
The rest of the Leinster counties are to blame for the home game issue, more than happy to take the money when they should be looking to enforce home and away arrangements. As I said up to county boards to ensure that it's a level playing field, the more money going into getting people playing GAA the better I say but it should be equitable.
Yeah I agree with you. Anyway totally off topic and the Dubs finances and advantages have been discussed to death on here, don't particularly want to go into it again lol
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2023, 11:25:20 AM
Yeah it even seems Walsh being there has came into the 17 players on the pitch thing here. It's got buck all to do with it.
Too much nonsense on Walsh. Dublin clubs have had them transfers for years and tbh any county with a city in it will see much higher profile transfers etc into the city - it's just part of life in Ireland with people gravitating to cities for jobs etc.
This thing has got way more legs than I thought it would. Tbh I'd rather not see a replay but there looks to be some mileage in things.
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 11:07:56 AM
How did it happen. In an AIF. Crazy. It's a mess for the GAA. What were the sideline officials doing? This is literally their job.
Yeah the match officials are far from blameless here.
Fair play to Crokes for collaring Walsh btw. If it was not them it would have been someone else.
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
If the linesman, 4th official or referee was informed by the Glen management team about the player number issue as has been reported, then they should have allowed the 45 to be retaken and for Glen to have another play with the correct numbers on the pitch, would have sorted it out there and then.
If it was just Mannion who wasn't next nor near the play as he was exiting the pitch then there's nothing that should be done but Mullin is absolutely in the middle of it and even if he wasn't near the shot could be said to be affecting the play.
If the precedent is a replay than there should be a replay, although if the referee was informed and it's in the report then does this come under some "dealt with on the day" area?
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
You don't have to like that the Walsh transfer happened but it's a fact of life, Galway man Michael Day was playing for Na Fianna in the Dublin county final, there was no hubbub about that, purely because he's just another player of the many that has transferred to a city club due to life circumstances.
Shane Walsh is entitled to do whatever he wants with his life, the GAA nor his club at home don't own him. Crokes didn't have to accept him into the club either, I don't see how they are "undermined". If Walsh decided to pack up with Galway and say to Dessie Farrell I'm available for Dublin (don't think Dublin would take him but hypothetically speaking assume they do) then it's entirely up to himself, Galway people would undoubtedly be upset and unhappy but it's his life and it's an amateur game.
If people think the medal will mean nothing to him then that's ok too but do the Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy wins with Cork mean nothing to them? Does it only mean something if you've been at a place a certain time? Should Fahy return his POTY award because he didn't win it with Kildare?
The high profile of Walsh shouldn't matter, people need to either get serious about this or not, do you want the GAA to stop transfers or put some limitations on transfers to certain clubs? What criteria are you going to place on it? Does it just apply to Dublin or metropolitan areas?
If the issue is "I just don't want Shane Walsh to go to a big club that was a serious AI contender already because it doesn't sit right with me" then that's back into the realm of you don't have to like it but that's life.
If the transfer was illegal that's another issue entirely but the GAA sanctioned it, he working teaching in Dublin classrooms at the minute, what do people actually want? If it's just that it's unfair on other teams in the competition then sure Moycullen were by far the worst offenders of the provincial winners in terms of players that are not from the club. There is no parish rule in Dublin to the best of my knowledge, he could be living anywhere in the city and play for whoever, I know lads who have their sons playing for Vincents and they live nowhere near the club, that's just their family club.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
That All Ireland, just like Dublins in the last decade and all of Man City/Chelsea/PSG's trophies will always have a massive asterisks beside it.
Can I ask why the Dublin All Ireland's have an asterisk? You don't have to like Dublin but when it came to playing on the pitch there were as good as I've ever seen. The funding is what it is, the likes of Galway and Cork have been shafted for years on allocations but up to county boards to have a backbone and bring motions to congress to ensure an equal playing field.
A great summation. Agree totally.
Of course Shane Walsh is entitled to do what he wants, and nobody is suggesting that there should be special rules for special players. But club football has many regulations around eligibility eg parish rule, inter county transfers, reserve teams eligibility , sanctions to play for other clubs etc etc. A simple additional rule around not being eligible for championship until the following season , would limit the risk of potential student issues etc.
Put it to your club and bring it to Congress then, would likely get a lot of support after this club season.
I would have zero love for Crokes but some of the pearl clutching about Walsh online is laughable, lads going on about the integrity of the game when it's amateur and players can do whatever they want with their life. Let's call a spade a spade here, they just don't like that a high profile player has moved to a big city club and won the AI (for the moment at least pending any replay of the final).
Brolly has called for a replay, this is going to get bigger.
As Joe says, get off the beer lads
What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand
Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..
Quote from: Hectic on January 23, 2023, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 11:07:56 AM
How did it happen. In an AIF. Crazy. It's a mess for the GAA. What were the sideline officials doing? This is literally their job.
Yeah the match officials are far from blameless here.
Buck stops with them, as immune from criticism refs seem to think they are. Really basic stuff not being done right.
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 23, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
Brolly has called for a replay, this is going to get bigger.
As Joe says, get off the beer lads
Could be that Brolly is pitching his services to Glen for the subsequent appeal. Or just making mischief.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand
Transfers happen all the time, the only difference is the profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this. As I said earlier, either get Congress to change the rules on transfers and put in place practical and actionable changes into the current system or just accept that it's the way things are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..
If that's what's best for their life and they have moved counties then of course they can if they want, who are you or I to judge them? Is there some new GAA moral police around club transfers?
Malachi O'Rourke didn't want to rock the boat but Wattys did well by serving the ball into the GAA's court. Controversies like this need to be fed.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand
Transfers happen all the time, the only difference is the profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this. As I said earlier, either get Congress to change the rules on transfers and put in place practical and actionable changes into the current system or just accept that it's the way things are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..
If that's what's best for their life and they have moved counties then of course they can if they want, who are you or I to judge them? Is there some new GAA moral police around club transfers?
I'd add it's the fact that it's Kilmacud he's went to as well. He's went there because he wants to win an All Ireland club and has done that. From what i've heard it wasn't the closest club to him in Dublin, though this is purely from word of mouth.
A replay would be very interesting. Kilmacud are still a bit flaky. Wattys would be powered by a sense of injustice.
Would a replay be at croke park.
If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse
It's a tricky one
Quote from: Eire90 on January 23, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
Would a replay be at croke park.
only 22k at yeterdays two games so can`t see a replay at croke park
On the game itself, with a bit more composure Glen could/should have had the game won.
Kilmacud had that little bit more calmness about them.
Glen didnt get enough out of Glass and even though Ethan Doherty was excellent, he made a few uncharacteristic mistakes too.
Ryan was excellent for Kilmacud.
As for the extra player on the pitch, to the letter of the law it looks like the fair thing to do would be to offer a replay.
I'd say the chances of the GAA doing that are none.
They'll look at it and say it will be forgot about in a few weeks, whereas if they force a replay then the fixture list will make it near impossible to schedule, it will go down in history as a mess on their part and a headache to boot.
Unfortunately for Glen, I'd imagine the journey is over this year.
However, the main positive would be that they are more than capable of winning an AI and they are a young side. So next year maybe.
Quote from: naka on January 23, 2023, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 23, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
Would a replay be at croke park.
only 22k at yeterdays two games so can`t see a replay at croke park
GAA have an obsession with croke park tho so would not put it pass them.
I think it's in the rules that a dublin team always has home venue too ;D
Quote from: smort on January 23, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse
It's a tricky one
Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2023, 12:18:54 PM
I think it's in the rules that a dublin team always has home venue too ;D
If they just move Croke Park it would saves us all from these stupid posts
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
Money well spent if that was the case
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand
Transfers happen all the time, the only difference is the profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this. As I said earlier, either get Congress to change the rules on transfers and put in place practical and actionable changes into the current system or just accept that it's the way things are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..
If that's what's best for their life and they have moved counties then of course they can if they want, who are you or I to judge them? Is there some new GAA moral police around club transfers?
I'd add it's the fact that it's Kilmacud he's went to as well. He's went there because he wants to win an All Ireland club and has done that. From what i've heard it wasn't the closest club to him in Dublin, though this is purely from word of mouth.
There's no doubts around why he would go to Crokes ahead of other Dublin teams, but again there is nothing in the rules to stop any of this, there's no parish rule in Dublin, he can play anywhere in the city, closest club doesn't come into it. Would Ballyboden, Cuala or Vincents have turned him away because of where he was living in the city? No chance.
People are more than entitled to say "
I don't like that he was able to do this" but it is what it is, club transfers are a fact of life. My essential point is you either change the rules on transfers (6th Sam has at least proposed something that would be possible to implement) or just accept that things like this will happen, players are not owned by clubs and not under contract, they can stop playing in the morning if they want and once it's within the rules and the club allows them to join they can play wherever they like.
Michael Donnellan moved
within Galway to Salthill to win a county title and an AI club, this is not the first nor last time it will happen.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 12:05:20 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand
Transfers happen all the time, the only difference is the profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this. As I said earlier, either get Congress to change the rules on transfers and put in place practical and actionable changes into the current system or just accept that it's the way things are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..
If that's what's best for their life and they have moved counties then of course they can if they want, who are you or I to judge them? Is there some new GAA moral police around club transfers?
I'd add it's the fact that it's Kilmacud he's went to as well. He's went there because he wants to win an All Ireland club and has done that. From what i've heard it wasn't the closest club to him in Dublin, though this is purely from word of mouth.
There's no doubts around why he would go to Crokes ahead of other Dublin teams, but again there is nothing in the rules to stop any of this, there's no parish rule in Dublin, he can play anywhere in the city, closest club doesn't come into it. Would Ballyboden, Cuala or Vincents have turned him away because of where he was living in the city? No chance.
People are more than entitled to say "I don't like that he was able to do this" but it is what it is, club transfers are a fact of life. My essential point is you either change the rules on transfers (6th Sam has at least proposed something that would be possible to implement) or just accept that things like this will happen, players are not owned by clubs and not under contract, they can stop playing in the morning if they want and once it's within the rules and the club allows them to join they can play wherever they like.
Michael Donnellan moved within Galway to Salthill to win a county title and an AI club, this is not the first nor last time it will happen.
Still a sore one, nearly 20 years late ffs ;D
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: smort on January 23, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse
It's a tricky one
Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?
But this wasn't Crokes abusing any rule. This was the officials making an almighty c**k up.
There should be no question of Crokes offering a replay - it's not as if Glen would likely have scored, there's no moral obligation (like arguably there was for Meath in the Joe Sheridan case).
But the rule book should be followed now.
I'm not sure if that's easy to answer. Someone put an extract up earlier which could be read as signifying a replay is in order. But just from that abstract I'm not sure whether that was just in relation to bringing on too many subs.
If the rule book say this was just a ref's error rather than playing an ineligible player, then there's no remedy for Glen, like any other ref mistake.
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
Yes there is undoubtedly a lot of hypocrisy involved when it comes to paying managers. There are plenty giving out about Walsh who have no problem if their own club hires the latest merry go round manager looking a few extra quid to top up his income. I would have a major issue with the Walsh transfer but if it is ok for a manager to flit around different clubs then what is the difference for a player.
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
The amount of clubs not paying an outside manager would be in the tiny minority.
Walsh is getting big coin to play for Crokes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
The amount of clubs not paying an outside manager would be in the tiny minority.
Walsh is getting big coin to play for Crokes.
I'd like to see your link to this one and not some made up story
The fourth official and the ref made some balls of that. Nothing to do with Crokes at all. Is there a game that goes bye that there isn't some problem with a ref ffs.
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: smort on January 23, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse
It's a tricky one
Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?
But this wasn't Crokes abusing any rule. This was the officials making an almighty c**k up.
There should be no question of Crokes offering a replay - it's not as if Glen would likely have scored, there's no moral obligation (like arguably there was for Meath in the Joe Sheridan case).
But the rule book should be followed now.
I'm not sure if that's easy to answer. Someone put an extract up earlier which could be read as signifying a replay is in order. But just from that abstract I'm not sure whether that was just in relation to bringing on too many subs.
If the rule book say this was just a ref's error rather than playing an ineligible player, then there's no remedy for Glen, like any other ref mistake.
You don't seriously think Crokes didn't know they'd too many men on the field?
Thats right Oak, if you watch that period again, the ref blows the whistle for play to continue. I can easily see why Crokes players would not have the time to think have we 16 players on. each concentrating on marking their man or the space inside the 13m line. This is 100% clear cut and on the head of the officials
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
The amount of clubs not paying an outside manager would be in the tiny minority.
Walsh is getting big coin to play for Crokes.
I'd like to see your link to this one and not some made up story
Well so the rumours say. Would it surprise you that much if he was?
Quote from: shawshank on January 23, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
Thats right Oak, if you watch that period again, the ref blows the whistle for play to continue. I can easily see why Crokes players would not have the time to think have we 16 players on. each concentrating on marking their man or the space inside the 13m line. This is 100% clear cut and on the head of the officials
I don't mean the players. The coaches/management team would have known for sure.
Genuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 23, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
Thats right Oak, if you watch that period again, the ref blows the whistle for play to continue. I can easily see why Crokes players would not have the time to think have we 16 players on. each concentrating on marking their man or the space inside the 13m line. This is 100% clear cut and on the head of the officials
I don't mean the players. The coaches/management team would have known for sure.
Probably. But in fairness I don't think that was at the forefront of their mind. 100% on the officials imo.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: smort on January 23, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse
It's a tricky one
Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?
But this wasn't Crokes abusing any rule. This was the officials making an almighty c**k up.
There should be no question of Crokes offering a replay - it's not as if Glen would likely have scored, there's no moral obligation (like arguably there was for Meath in the Joe Sheridan case).
But the rule book should be followed now.
I'm not sure if that's easy to answer. Someone put an extract up earlier which could be read as signifying a replay is in order. But just from that abstract I'm not sure whether that was just in relation to bringing on too many subs.
If the rule book say this was just a ref's error rather than playing an ineligible player, then there's no remedy for Glen, like any other ref mistake.
You don't seriously think Crokes didn't know they'd too many men on the field?
I'd say they definitely knew alright, they were that desperate to get over the line. You could see the referee with his hand in the air waiting until the 16th player Mullin had made his way off the pitch before the subsequent kick out was taken after which he blew the full time whistle. So if he knew that the previous play had been made with Kilmacud having 16 players on the pitch, why did he not order it to be retaken. It would have prevented this ongoing saga. The same thing happened Rob Hennelly in the AI semi final in 2021 when he had to retake a 45m kick which resulted in the equalising score.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Genuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
The problem is compounded by the fact that his sister won a club all Ireland with the home club.
There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves. Malachy O'Rourke as expected showed a lot of class afterwards saying Glen would accept the defeat. The ref and 4th official made big mistakes as the subs shouldn't have been allowed onto the field without players coming off. This was purely an officiating error. There's no asterisk or anything else, Crokes are very worthy champions. They'll be celebrating today like any team and the comments of a few jealous people on here will be a long way from their minds. As regards Walsh, fair play to him, he's a great player and will enjoy this victory. Glen did a great job of keeping him quiet though and it was other Crokes players who did the real damage.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 01:02:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 23, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
It probably wouldn't be a big issue if it was Na Fianna or Oliver Plunketts. But joining the biggest club in Dublin who were the reigning Leinster champions when he joined, seemed very convenient.
He was talking about his aim was to win Leinster and All Ireland club a few weeks after joining, likely had no intention of joining any other Dublin club
Well the thing is, we turn a blind eye to paying managers, and sports journalists do zero investigation into the matter, so should we not to do the same for players?
Crokes have paid huge sums to Anthony Daly and Ollie Baker to manage their hurlers. Other clubs all over the country pay managers, and not an eyelid batted.
It would be a bit hypocritical to go after Walsh and say nothing about managers. But if you were, the following questions should be asked:
How many clubs did Shane speak to before he decided on Crokes? (He definitely spoke to Boden and I believe he spoke to Na Fianna, which seems odd given it's on the north side)
Who made the approach? (I understand that it was Walsh who approached the clubs)
Why approach more than one club?
Do Crokes arrange for a car for him? (I believe not, as Galway already provide him with a car)
Do Crokes "sponsor" his rent?
Have Crokes brought on a friend of Walsh as a trainer/physio who charges a significant amount per session? If yes, was it part of the deal or pure coincidence?
The amount of clubs not paying an outside manager would be in the tiny minority.
Walsh is getting big coin to play for Crokes.
I'd like to see your link to this one and not some made up story
Well so the rumours say. Would it surprise you that much if he was?
Lots of things don't surprise me anymore, but I'd rather you had a link to back up your story thougH
As for not wanting to play for another club other than your own, If you lived in Lurgan and moved to Tralee, would you just stop playing the sport or would you be looking to play where you live or head back and play/train for your own club?
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2023, 01:15:18 PM
There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves. Malachy O'Rourke as expected showed a lot of class afterwards saying Glen would accept the defeat. The ref and 4th official made big mistakes as the subs shouldn't have been allowed onto the field without players coming off. This was purely an officiating error. There's no asterisk or anything else, Crokes are very worthy champions. They'll be celebrating today like any team and the comments of a few jealous people on here will be a long way from their minds. As regards Walsh, fair play to him, he's a great player and will enjoy this victory. Glen did a great job of keeping him quiet though and it was other Crokes players who did the real damage.
I don't think that's fair. I've made a few comments here based on what I think the right thing to do is. I'm not from Glen. It's nothing to do with jealousy or resentment (although the Walsh thing i'm not sure sits 100% right with me).
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Genuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
I agree with you that it must feel hollow as he's only been at the club a few months. Should Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan feel the same about their AI success with Kilcoo though?
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2023, 01:15:18 PM
There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves. Malachy O'Rourke as expected showed a lot of class afterwards saying Glen would accept the defeat. The ref and 4th official made big mistakes as the subs shouldn't have been allowed onto the field without players coming off. This was purely an officiating error. There's no asterisk or anything else, Crokes are very worthy champions. They'll be celebrating today like any team and the comments of a few jealous people on here will be a long way from their minds. As regards Walsh, fair play to him, he's a great player and will enjoy this victory. Glen did a great job of keeping him quiet though and it was other Crokes players who did the real damage.
I don't think that's fair. I've made a few comments here based on what I think the right thing to do is. I'm not from Glen. It's nothing to do with jealousy or resentment (although the Walsh thing i'm not sure sits 100% right with me).
Wasn't aiming it at you. IMO the right thing to do is accept the result. Personally I don't think Crokes were deliberately at fault. As for Walsh, he wanted to move to Dublin for his own reasons and got the chance to play for Crokes there. Lots of players move clubs around the country when the relocate. Fair play to him.
QuoteGenuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
Agree to this to a certain extent.
Maybe if the lad was in the area for a few years then somewhat acceptable, for example, Bundie Aki does appear to be genuinely proud to be Irish now.
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2023, 01:32:05 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2023, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2023, 01:15:18 PM
There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves. Malachy O'Rourke as expected showed a lot of class afterwards saying Glen would accept the defeat. The ref and 4th official made big mistakes as the subs shouldn't have been allowed onto the field without players coming off. This was purely an officiating error. There's no asterisk or anything else, Crokes are very worthy champions. They'll be celebrating today like any team and the comments of a few jealous people on here will be a long way from their minds. As regards Walsh, fair play to him, he's a great player and will enjoy this victory. Glen did a great job of keeping him quiet though and it was other Crokes players who did the real damage.
I don't think that's fair. I've made a few comments here based on what I think the right thing to do is. I'm not from Glen. It's nothing to do with jealousy or resentment (although the Walsh thing i'm not sure sits 100% right with me).
Wasn't aiming it at you. IMO the right thing to do is accept the result. Personally I don't think Crokes were deliberately at fault. As for Walsh, he wanted to move to Dublin for his own reasons and got the chance to play for Crokes there. Lots of players move clubs around the country when the relocate. Fair play to him.
It doesn't matter whether or not it was deliberate. What counts is the rule.
Yeah has to be a replay. If slowly strolling off like the 17th man, Mannion, then that's fine, not interfering with play. But the 16th man was in there defending the goal. HQ has to make a firm decision here.
Quote from: weareros on January 23, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah has to be a replay. If slowly strolling off like the 17th man, Mannion, then that's fine, not interfering with play. But the 16th man was in there defending the goal. HQ has to make a firm decision here.
Yep.
But when have they ever done that.
Quote from: weareros on January 23, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah has to be a replay. If slowly strolling off like the 17th man, Mannion, then that's fine, not interfering with play. But the 16th man was in there defending the goal. HQ has to make a firm decision here.
Was it a genuine mistake by the 16th player or did they try and pull a fast one?
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Genuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
I agree with you that it must feel hollow as he's only been at the club a few months. Should Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan feel the same about their AI success with Kilcoo though?
Moran and Gilligan had at least been with Kilcoo a while, Walsh never even played a league game for Crokes did he? What stage of the championship did he join? I'd be fuming if i was the lad who lost my place to a blow in.
On your wider point about managers, if I had my way no outsider would be allowed to come in and get a fortune managing a team but the horse has long bolted on that
Quote from: highorlow on January 23, 2023, 01:42:49 PM
QuoteGenuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
Agree to this to a certain extent.
Maybe if the lad was in the area for a few years then somewhat acceptable, for example, Bundie Aki does appear to be genuinely proud to be Irish now.
How long a time period is "somewhat acceptable"?
If Walsh changed his plans to go back to Galway in a few years and ended up settling in Dublin and playing with Crokes for another - say 6 years, does that retrospectively change the value of the medals he won this year to him or to their perceived value to other people? Would that make it less hollow? If he slogged away with them for that time period and they won nothing else, not even another Dublin SFC, does that raise the value of these medals?
Owen Galllagher was on the Galway panel last year, saw a bit of game time, he's from Antrim and has played IC for them, even beating and knocking out Galway while lining out for Antrim in 2012. If Galway had managed to get over the line last July would it be a hollow AI medal win for him because he was only in the door with them? Would it be worth less of a medal to him than it would be to the likes of Paul Conroy whose given years to Galway? What's the criteria of acceptance?
I know I'm playing devil's advocate here but genuinely, what do people want. Is it to really look to significantly changing the GAA transfer system because they are so affronted as a result of a complete edge case that involves an All Star?
Genuine question - does Galway University not offer teacher training courses? Or Limerick? Why would he want to move to Dublin to do this course?
As for the replay talk. Park it! Too sick to even consider one.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Genuine question, if you're Walsh, as great as it would be to win a county championship of any sort, never mind a provincial and and all ireland, would it not feel seriously hollow winning it with lads you barely even know in comparison with lads you grew up with?
I could never play for another club like he's done.
I agree with you that it must feel hollow as he's only been at the club a few months. Should Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan feel the same about their AI success with Kilcoo though?
Moran and Gilligan had at least been with Kilcoo a while, Walsh never even played a league game for Crokes did he? What stage of the championship did he join? I'd be fuming if i was the lad who lost my place to a blow in.
On your wider point about managers, if I had my way no outsider would be allowed to come in and get a fortune managing a team but the horse has long bolted on that
will he ever play a league game for them? doubt it.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 23, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah has to be a replay. If slowly strolling off like the 17th man, Mannion, then that's fine, not interfering with play. But the 16th man was in there defending the goal. HQ has to make a firm decision here.
Was it a genuine mistake by the 16th player or did they try and pull a fast one?
It felt they were mainly trying to eat up the 3 minutes of injury time (which they did well), and in the process both the officials and sideline screwed up. All the more reason there should be a replay.
walsh cup final at croke park on saturday will croke park be getting a relay of grass before championship season
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 23, 2023, 02:16:56 PM
Genuine question - does Galway University not offer teacher training courses? Or Limerick? Why would he want to move to Dublin to do this course?
Plenty of people study in Dublin for one reason or another, you can't hold that against them.
There is no doubt that the likes of Kilmacud benefit from this, many people attend UCD and end up living in those parts. Apart from players it was people like that who built the club to what it is today.
Quote from: clarshack on January 23, 2023, 02:17:46 PM
will he ever play a league game for them? doubt it.
County players play few league games even in their own county nowadays.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
would love glenn to put one in so the feckers have to make a decison one way or the other. they should have the balls to make a call either way.
jeez
GAA will try to do a FIFA a la the french game and buy Glen off.
Initially yesterday I said Glen should not appeal but the more I read and see everything about KC stinks to high heaven. From recruitment off Walsh, the game management at the end yesterday and the Dublin Media's attitude " nothing to see here ".
Quote from: naka on January 23, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
would love glenn to put one in so the feckers have to make a decison one way or the other. they should have the balls to make a call either way.
jeez
if Glen object the GAA will use the fine option as a get out clause when it really should be a replay.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
This boils my piss with the GAA rule book. Why is the onus of the impacted club to appeal when the world and his dog knows there were 16 Crokes players on the field?
Glenn won't want to be in this position either.
I wonder will Croke Park offer the Glen players £300 of vouchers to be quiet like they did the Down hurlers when their CR final was blown up 5 minutes early?
I hope they appeal, sorry I can't get on board with a "club" with 5,000 members in a catchment area of over 100,000 people.
Who on top of that get approved to transfer in one of the best players in country in Shane Walsh, a year after losing the previous All Ireland final. Who then use 16-17 players in the final and go unpunished by GAA HQ. How is it fair.
Sorry I can't cheer that on. I think these club competitions have been devalued for various reasons, the crowd yesterday was fairly poor and disappointing. The fairness is questionable in these competitions.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-to-ask-gaa-for-clarification-on-16th-man-in-all-ireland-club-final/
Earlier, the Derry champions' manager Malachy O'Rourke had been asked about the 16th man.
"Yeah, we can do nothing about that but it obviously does make a difference the more men they have in there. The harder it is for us to get a score out of it and I think we did ask the fourth official to get the free (45) retaken but it didn't happen."
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
That so cowardly. It should be nothing to do with Glen and its very unfair to be asking them to do the GAAs dirty work. The GAA should call it. That probably means a replay. If they need a pound of flesh then they can suspend all the officials.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 23, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
This boils my piss with the GAA rule book. Why is the onus of the impacted club to appeal when the world and his dog knows there were 16 Crokes players on the field?
Glenn won't want to be in this position either.
I wonder will Croke Park offer the Glen players £300 of vouchers to be quiet like they did the Down hurlers when their CR final was blown up 5 minutes early?
The onus has to be on the objecting club or else the GAA opens itself to a "can of worms".......why should they be expected to go looking for every transgression , if the offended team don't even feel strongly enough about it , to object ?
I don't think anyone should think of Glen as being Unsporting , if they objected. In fact they'd be foolish not to. There's no guarantee they'll ever be back in an All-ireland, it's a tortuous journey. Therefore if there is evidence of clear transgression of the rules, with material influence on the game (this is a very very rare event), they owe it to their players and supporters to object. There's sledging, dangerous play , cynical play which too often is accepted in the GAA, yet a team makes a clear objection in an AI final lost by two points , and the GAA moral compass is all of a sudden pulled out of the hat .
I'm a neutral on this , but IMO , Glen should object, they should win and we'll enjoy a fair crack between two great teams, this Saturday
Think they have to object then, for the integrity of all competitions
Could see a scenario where they object, get offered a replay, and then decline the replay
Really bad the officials were notified about it and wouldn't allow the 45 to be retaken. Weak as piss, obviously hoping it would all just go away. If I were Glen I'd definitely be objecting out of principle. Terrible mess, feel sorry for the two clubs.
When Joe Sheridan touched down for Meath in 2010 against Louth ,the GAA didn't force a replay. Meath should have done the honourable thing and offered a replay but they didn't.
But it shouldn't have been their choice. GAA should have showed power. Will they change their tune here?
If the refs had just accommodated a retaken 45 with the correct number of players as they were told of at the time, this would be done and dusted.
Don't think there will be too many complaints if there is a replay, GAA will want to avoid it with the calendar for sure but it's their officials fault. I feel a bit bad for the ref, hung out to dry by his sideline lads.
KC and the Sunshine Band may be forced into doing something. It depends how the media storm develops.
OTB were quite vehement this morning.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
If the refs had just accommodated a retaken 45 with the correct number of players as they were told of at the time, this would be done and dusted.
This. A retaken 45 would have addressed the issue, perhaps Glen could have worked the ball to the net, more likely it would have ended up like the actual 45, but it would have been fair. Not sure why they did not this, what was the hurry?
Glen need to object for the rules of the gaa, if they don't this will happen in so many games especially when chasing a late winner.
Jesus the pints in the Monday club wouldn't be the same for KC today.
Can't see a replay happening now. What if Crokes are beat, they've the very reasonable argument that their lads have been on the piss for days
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:50:06 PM
Can't see a replay happening now. What if Crokes are beat, they've the very reasonable argument that their lads have been on the piss for days
Not really, they aren't on the piss 24hrs yet. If they stopped now, they would be fine for the weekend
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:50:06 PM
Can't see a replay happening now. What if Crokes are beat, they've the very reasonable argument that their lads have been on the piss for days
Id say the Glen players were drowning their sorrows just as much.
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
And another sickening thing is that if it was Glen had won with 16 men the replay would have been announced on the 9 0 Clock news last night.
Somewhere around a table or in a bar in Maghera there are frantic debates and disagreements going on as to whether they should appeal or not. Given the difficulty involved in getting there, they might well never be back in another All Ireland final and they have less than 2 days to make a decision. I wouldn't like to be on the committee making that call because you will never get a unanimous decision when so much is at stake. I expect that they might cut some sort of a side deal with the GAA similar to the vouchers for the Down hurlers. Maybe a player holiday or something but I'd imagine there is some form of horse trading going on.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 23, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:50:06 PM
Can't see a replay happening now. What if Crokes are beat, they've the very reasonable argument that their lads have been on the piss for days
Id say the Glen players were drowning their sorrows just as much.
True. I reckon let them all drink all week and play the final drunk on Saturday.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Was that not 95! Hate to say it but that was closer to 30!
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
Somewhere around a table or in a bar in Maghera there are frantic debates and disagreements going on as to whether they should appeal or not. Given the difficulty involved in getting there, they might well never be back in another All Ireland final and they have less than 2 days to make a decision. I wouldn't like to be on the committee making that call because you will never get a unanimous decision when so much is at stake. I expect that they might cut some sort of a side deal with the GAA similar to the vouchers for the Down hurlers. Maybe a player holiday or something but I'd imagine there is some form of horse trading going on.
It shouldn't be on Glen to have to decide what to do. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It is a mess of the GAA's own making and they should be making this decision whatever it is and as quickly as possible. We all know nothing, in reality, is going to change. The longer this goes on the more of a farce it becomes.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
Somewhere around a table or in a bar in Maghera there are frantic debates and disagreements going on as to whether they should appeal or not. Given the difficulty involved in getting there, they might well never be back in another All Ireland final and they have less than 2 days to make a decision. I wouldn't like to be on the committee making that call because you will never get a unanimous decision when so much is at stake. I expect that they might cut some sort of a side deal with the GAA similar to the vouchers for the Down hurlers. Maybe a player holiday or something but I'd imagine there is some form of horse trading going on.
Bronagh will probably make the call.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
Somewhere around a table or in a bar in Maghera there are frantic debates and disagreements going on as to whether they should appeal or not. Given the difficulty involved in getting there, they might well never be back in another All Ireland final and they have less than 2 days to make a decision. I wouldn't like to be on the committee making that call because you will never get a unanimous decision when so much is at stake. I expect that they might cut some sort of a side deal with the GAA similar to the vouchers for the Down hurlers. Maybe a player holiday or something but I'd imagine there is some form of horse trading going on.
They could ask to be the 33rd team in the next World Cup.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2023, 04:31:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
Somewhere around a table or in a bar in Maghera there are frantic debates and disagreements going on as to whether they should appeal or not. Given the difficulty involved in getting there, they might well never be back in another All Ireland final and they have less than 2 days to make a decision. I wouldn't like to be on the committee making that call because you will never get a unanimous decision when so much is at stake. I expect that they might cut some sort of a side deal with the GAA similar to the vouchers for the Down hurlers. Maybe a player holiday or something but I'd imagine there is some form of horse trading going on.
It shouldn't be on Glen to have to decide what to do. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It is a mess of the GAA's own making and they should be making this decision whatever it is and as quickly as possible. We all know nothing, in reality, is going to change. The longer this goes on the more of a farce it becomes.
That's the problem, the GAA have passed responsibility for a rules/admin error directly onto Glen which leaves them in a very awkward position.
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Then Armagh should get a replay for 2003 when Marsden was incorrectly sent off only to be later exonerated. That incident was actually 20 years ago.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Then Armagh should get a replay for 2003 when Marsden was incorrectly sent off only to be later exonerated. That incident was actually 20 years ago.
Go on, why did Marsden get his ban overturned..... go on.. this will be good...
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:45:15 PM
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Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Then Armagh should get a replay for 2003 when Marsden was incorrectly sent off only to be later exonerated. That incident was actually 20 years ago.
Go on, why did Marsden get his ban overturned..... go on.. this will be good...
I thought his red card was only overturned on a 2nd appeal and due to a technicality at that?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-have-three-days-to-lodge-objection-to-all-ireland-club-football-final/
"The GAA are awaiting the decision of Derry champions Glen on whether they will lodge a formal objection to the outcome of Sunday's All-Ireland club football final, won by Kilmacud Crokes.
Indications are that should an objection be lodged, a rematch will be ordered. It is accordingly up to Glen if they wish to pursue that. They have three days to do so. Indications are that the authorities may consider fines too lenient and forfeiture excessive, making a rematch the likely resolution. Although Mullin had no material impact on the play that unfolded – he didn't touch the ball – there is a view that it's impossible to infer what would have happened had the correct number of players been on the field."
Mullin will become the biggest gobshite in Stillorgan.
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https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
This boils my piss with the GAA rule book. Why is the onus of the impacted club to appeal when the world and his dog knows there were 16 Crokes players on the field?
Glenn won't want to be in this position either.
I wonder will Croke Park offer the Glen players £300 of vouchers to be quiet like they did the Down hurlers when their CR final was blown up 5 minutes early?
The onus has to be on the objecting club or else the GAA opens itself to a "can of worms".......why should they be expected to go looking for every transgression , if the offended team don't even feel strongly enough about it , to object ?
I don't think anyone should think of Glen as being Unsporting , if they objected. In fact they'd be foolish not to. There's no guarantee they'll ever be back in an All-ireland, it's a tortuous journey. Therefore if there is evidence of clear transgression of the rules, with material influence on the game (this is a very very rare event), they owe it to their players and supporters to object. There's sledging, dangerous play , cynical play which too often is accepted in the GAA, yet a team makes a clear objection in an AI final lost by two points , and the GAA moral compass is all of a sudden pulled out of the hat .
I'm a neutral on this , but IMO , Glen should object, they should win and we'll enjoy a fair crack between two great teams, this Saturday
This is the blue ribband of club football, an obvious transgression in the rules of the game occurred with everyone watching, yet it's up to Glen to raise the objections doesn't sit well with me and no doubt the Glen club are weighing up their options and how that plays out with the wider community as no one wants to be a sore loser and all that but genuine mistake or not there has to repercussions.
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Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/23/news/gaa_won_t_investigate_16th_man_without_a_glen_objection-3013728/
As expected the GAA put the onus onto Glen to lodge an appeal which would very likely be successful. The GAA will be now desperately hoping there is no appeal forthcoming, it will be a long wait before Wednesday.
This boils my piss with the GAA rule book. Why is the onus of the impacted club to appeal when the world and his dog knows there were 16 Crokes players on the field?
Glenn won't want to be in this position either.
I wonder will Croke Park offer the Glen players £300 of vouchers to be quiet like they did the Down hurlers when their CR final was blown up 5 minutes early?
The onus has to be on the objecting club or else the GAA opens itself to a "can of worms".......why should they be expected to go looking for every transgression , if the offended team don't even feel strongly enough about it , to object ?
I don't think anyone should think of Glen as being Unsporting , if they objected. In fact they'd be foolish not to. There's no guarantee they'll ever be back in an All-ireland, it's a tortuous journey. Therefore if there is evidence of clear transgression of the rules, with material influence on the game (this is a very very rare event), they owe it to their players and supporters to object. There's sledging, dangerous play , cynical play which too often is accepted in the GAA, yet a team makes a clear objection in an AI final lost by two points , and the GAA moral compass is all of a sudden pulled out of the hat .
I'm a neutral on this , but IMO , Glen should object, they should win and we'll enjoy a fair crack between two great teams, this Saturday
This is the blue ribband of club football, an obvious transgression in the rules of the game occurred with everyone watching, yet it's up to Glen to raise the objections doesn't sit well with me and no doubt the Glen club are weighing up their options and how that plays out with the wider community as no one wants to be a sore loser and all that but genuine mistake or not there has to repercussions.
Wattys are entitled to object. The game was still in play. It's not about being a sore loser.
No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:45:15 PM
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Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Then Armagh should get a replay for 2003 when Marsden was incorrectly sent off only to be later exonerated. That incident was actually 20 years ago.
Go on, why did Marsden get his ban overturned..... go on.. this will be good...
I don't really want this thread to get derailed about another incident about 20 years ago but I'm fairly sure you know the answer. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of you crying foul over a Charlie Redmond incident.
I see Parkinson has pulled a report of a match the Kilmacaud manager played in around 05 I think (for Duboyne I think?) where they were kicked out for using an extra sub in extra time or something lol.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:50:06 PM
Can't see a replay happening now. What if Crokes are beat, they've the very reasonable argument that their lads have been on the piss for days
Not to mention their asses will be rid clean off then too! ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 05:06:24 PM
No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2023, 05:07:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:45:15 PM
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Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Well given the Charlie Redmond incident many years ago, something needs to be done
It's crazy 20 years later that we're dealing with this again
Tyrone should've got a replay. Totally f**king robbed that day.
Then Armagh should get a replay for 2003 when Marsden was incorrectly sent off only to be later exonerated. That incident was actually 20 years ago.
Go on, why did Marsden get his ban overturned..... go on.. this will be good...
I don't really want this thread to get derailed about another incident about 20 years ago but I'm fairly sure you know the answer. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of you crying foul over a Charlie Redmond incident.
I am absolutely not serious about looking for a replay in '95. Weird that I have to make that explicit.
Nor should there be one for the KC and Glen game.
Replay in Owenbeg. Dublin 95 v Tyrone 95 as curtain raiser. Marsden v Jordan half time entertainment.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2023, 05:07:54 PM
I see Parkinson has pulled a report of a match the Kilmacaud manager played in around 05 I think (for Duboyne I think?) where they were kicked out for using an extra sub in extra time or something lol.
https://twitter.com/smallerfishgaa/status/1617526003991212034?s=48&t=8F1t4D9hEHuvppJwddHMmg
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2023, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 05:06:24 PM
No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Glen did not play to near their potential for fair chunks of the game too. A replay would be a very interesting spectacle
Conor Glass was ill in the build up to yesterdays game. Would he be in better shape for a replay?
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 23, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah has to be a replay. If slowly strolling off like the 17th man, Mannion, then that's fine, not interfering with play. But the 16th man was in there defending the goal. HQ has to make a firm decision here.
Was it a genuine mistake by the 16th player or did they try and pull a fast one?
In the semi final Kilmacud hung on for a narrow win as the opposition chased a late goal (and almost got it). In the interview afterwards the manager was asked about the frail mindset of conceding late goals. He acknowledged that it does exist and that is definitely something they will have to address before the AIF. I'm surprised no one has dug this interview up, it was only a few weeks ago.
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No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Glen did not play to near their potential for fair chunks of the game too. A replay would be a very interesting spectacle
The teams are evenly matched. Wattys probably have a better manager
A review of potential infractions of this rule can be instigated by appeal or an "inquiry by the committee in charge", so the Central Competition Controls Committee (CCCC) could also choose to investigate without a request from Glen.[/b
Above in bold taken from the RTE website so the CCCC are definitely taking the cowards way out by passing the buck to Glen.
Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 06:01:14 PM
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No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Glen did not play to near their potential for fair chunks of the game too. A replay would be a very interesting spectacle
The teams are evenly matched. Wattys probably have a better manager
Crokes had 16 players on for about 15 seconds of a 65 minute game. They beat Glen by 2 points over that time. I cannot see Glen having any interest in appealing and I'm sure their players wouldn't be in a frame of mind for a replay. The result should stand but lessons need to be taken on board for officials. Subs cannot enter the field until the player being replaced has left.
Has the Soccerball ever had a replay over a wrong decision? They just seem to get on with it!
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 05:06:24 PM
No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Glen did not play to near their potential for fair chunks of the game too. A replay would be a very interesting spectacle
The teams are evenly matched. Wattys probably have a better manager
Crokes had 16 players on for about 15 seconds of a 65 minute game. They beat Glen by 2 points over that time. I cannot see Glen having any interest in appealing and I'm sure their players wouldn't be in a frame of mind for a replay. The result should stand but lessons need to be taken on board for officials. Subs cannot enter the field until the player being replaced has left.
Apparently it's not a matter of opinion. It was a tight match and KC had an extra man on the pitch . In such a case there is a rule.
There will be loads of cows milked in Stillorgan tonight.
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No one else has mentioned it but we got a qualifier match replayed vs Laois a few years ago because they made an extra sub. Feckers beat us anyway. Dark days!
Fortunately, Armagh's fortunes and those of Laois have gone in opposite directions since then.
Kilmacud would likely beat Watty's this time too, especially if they did not allow the Derry men get off to such a good start.
Glen did not play to near their potential for fair chunks of the game too. A replay would be a very interesting spectacle
The teams are evenly matched. Wattys probably have a better manager
Crokes had 16 players on for about 15 seconds of a 65 minute game. They beat Glen by 2 points over that time. I cannot see Glen having any interest in appealing and I'm sure their players wouldn't be in a frame of mind for a replay. The result should stand but lessons need to be taken on board for officials. Subs cannot enter the field until the player being replaced has left.
I'd tend to agree, but you have to question where the line is too. Would 1 minute be ok? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? At what point is an unfair advantage gained and a replay ordered? Going by the rules there should be a sanction
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 23, 2023, 06:20:22 PM
Has the Soccerball ever had a replay over a wrong decision? They just seem to get on with it!
Maybe soccerball refs are more tuned in to what is going on
WhAt is different here is that there is clear video evidence of the extra player, and he had a deterring influence on the attacking team for a set piece that could have won the game. This last attack was stifled partly by weight of the extra numbers . It had a clear material difference on successfully defending that potential match winning attack. The rules were broken and this influenced the match. There is clear evidence of this. There is nothing unsporting about objecting , but there is a chance that KC were unsporting in trying to gain an advantage at a crucial time. Object, hopefully successful appeal and a mouth watering replay. This will turn a PR disaster into PR success
The extra man, Mullin, the full forward, was defending the goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
The rule is there in black and white. Its not debatable, the rule should be followed.
Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 06:46:41 PM
WhAt is different here is that there is clear video evidence of the extra player, and he had a deterring influence on the attacking team for a set piece that could have won the game. This last attack was stifled partly by weight of the extra numbers . It had a clear material difference on successfully defending that potential match winning attack. The rules were broken and this influenced the match. There is clear evidence of this. There is nothing unsporting about objecting , but there is a chance that KC were unsporting in trying to gain an advantage at a crucial time. Object, hopefully successful appeal and a mouth watering replay. This will turn a PR disaster into PR success
I agree that there should be a replay but there is no PR success to be had here, this is farcical stuff whatever happens.
This is a good summary
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-have-three-days-to-lodge-objection-to-all-ireland-club-football-final/
Indications are that the authorities may consider fines too lenient and forfeiture excessive, making a rematch the likely resolution. Although Mullin had no material impact on the play that unfolded – he didn't touch the ball – there is a view that it's impossible to infer what would have happened had the correct number of players been on the field.
The calculation then is the balance of the contest, which at the time was a one-score match.
Would this count as Gah shithousery?
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Quote from: 6th sam on January 23, 2023, 06:46:41 PM
WhAt is different here is that there is clear video evidence of the extra player, and he had a deterring influence on the attacking team for a set piece that could have won the game. This last attack was stifled partly by weight of the extra numbers . It had a clear material difference on successfully defending that potential match winning attack. The rules were broken and this influenced the match. There is clear evidence of this. There is nothing unsporting about objecting , but there is a chance that KC were unsporting in trying to gain an advantage at a crucial time. Object, hopefully successful appeal and a mouth watering replay. This will turn a PR disaster into PR success
I agree that there should be a replay but there is no PR success to be had here, this is farcical stuff whatever happens.
Agreed, however the GAA need to step up. The onus should not be on either KC or Glen.
Joe Brolly weighs in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQbCMrOBXFU
Hopefully the club puts it to their members and take a vote on it. Then put it to bed
Glen should release a statement to put pressure on the CCCC and put the ball back in their court.
"We are not seeking a replay but will play one if offered. The CCCC should investigate as per GAA rules"
or something to that effect.
Why bother? Glen should appeal asap tomorrow now that they know where they stand and the two teams can get on with preparation for the replay.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 23, 2023, 08:06:18 PM
Glen should release a statement to put pressure on the CCCC and put the ball back in their court.
"We are not seeking a replay but will play one if offered. The CCCC should investigate as per GAA rules"
or something to that effect.
Why?
Either they think themselves they were cheated, or they do not. Why make it someone else's responsibility to decide if you were wronged?
The mind boggles.
They should bother because it shouldn't be their decision in the first place. This could force the GAA to update the rules and stop passing the buck.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 23, 2023, 08:12:56 PM
Why bother? Glen should appeal asap tomorrow now that they know where they stand and the two teams can get on with preparation for the replay.
it would be funny if KC lost the replay given they were 2 points up when Mullin had the fake substitution.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 23, 2023, 08:14:39 PM
They should bother because it shouldn't be their decision in the first place. This could force the GAA to update the rules and stop passing the buck.
What?
The rules are designed so that insofar as possible a junior B league match and an All Ireland final are regulated in the same way.
The rules cannot prescribe every possible indiscretion and an exact sanction, or else it would be 400 pages long, impossible to follow, and need continually updated every time a new weakness is explored.
Expecting authorities to jump into arbitration without a request is clinically insane.
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They should bother because it shouldn't be their decision in the first place. This could force the GAA to update the rules and stop passing the buck.
What?
The rules are designed so that insofar as possible a junior B league match and an All Ireland final are regulated in the same way.
The rules cannot prescribe every possible indiscretion and an exact sanction, or else it would be 400 pages long, impossible to follow, and need continually updated every time a new weakness is explored.
Expecting authorities to jump into arbitration without a request is clinically insane.
Expecting authorities to jump into arbitration without a request for the biggest club game of the year, that was nationally televised with the facts already laid bare and not open to dispute is perfectly normal. Nothing insane about that in the slightest. Pretending otherwise is willful ignorance.
Glen should let Kilmacud go on the beer and takeaways for 3 days. Then lodge the appeal at the last minute on Wednesday. Rematch on Saturday evening.
I'd be very surprised if Kilmacud haven't long since stopped.
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They should bother because it shouldn't be their decision in the first place. This could force the GAA to update the rules and stop passing the buck.
What?
The rules are designed so that insofar as possible a junior B league match and an All Ireland final are regulated in the same way.
The rules cannot prescribe every possible indiscretion and an exact sanction, or else it would be 400 pages long, impossible to follow, and need continually updated every time a new weakness is explored.
Expecting authorities to jump into arbitration without a request is clinically insane.
Expecting authorities to jump into arbitration without a request for the biggest club game of the year, that was nationally televised with the facts already laid bare and not open to dispute is perfectly normal. Nothing insane about that in the slightest. Pretending otherwise is willful ignorance.
Do we honestly not know by now? In the GAA, the single most sure fire way to ensure a wrong is not corrected, is for a competition committee to hastily intervene and take liberties with the rule book. I know the rule book has a marginal opening for CCC to investigate incidents without being prompted. But really, to do so opens up an avenue of bias.
Those who are demanding the GAA intervene basically want in-game rules to be followed, but disciplinary processes in the same rule book to be ignored.
It's daft.
The GAA as usual show no balls, bit like all the guys getting off their red cards and don't bother to remedy the rule book. Here the decision should be made by the Gaa not either team. I hold out and if no come bck from the, GAA put in a objection at 3pm on Wednesday. Same shit show happens in the All- Ireland hurling final years ago (1998) with Offaly and Clare +, where the GAA were going to do f**k all until Clare offered a replay under pressure. Got beat well 2nd day round after been on top in the first game.
Jimmy Cooney!
Any decision on this balls up should be made by the Gaa.
I think we're hours away from "calling in the army"
This indecision and uncertainty totally unfair on both teams who've put mammoth effort in for years in getting to this position. Needs resolved asap.
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Joe Brolly weighs in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQbCMrOBXFU
Fair Play to Joe he had just finished his dinner!
I think Joe is right the GAA should call a replay to protect integrity and hope that Crokes win it!
Penny for Mullins thoughts at this stage. Do we think he knew what he was at or is it an honest mistake?
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 23, 2023, 09:09:33 PM
Penny for Mullins thoughts at this stage. Do we think he knew what he was at or is it an honest mistake?
Would be inclined to give him benefit of the doubt, maybe he didnt know
I am a neutral in this discussion but it seems to me that Glen were treated badly during the last few minutes. The cynical use of substitutes in extra time used up most of the 3 min which the ref chose to ignore. I think the sideline officials are more to blame for the 16/17 players but the ref should have allowed more time
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Penny for Mullins thoughts at this stage. Do we think he knew what he was at or is it an honest mistake?
Would be inclined to give him benefit of the doubt, maybe he didnt know
I really doubt it. He was on the line. Nobody told him to get off the pitch. And Wattys were absolutely devastated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbuR2TM0hRE&t=6275s
Originally I wasn't in favour of a replay but the more the day has gone on I think Glen maybe should object.
Factually the objection is 100% justified but if they'd been playing a Caltra or a Ballinderry type small community club it wouldn't sit well to do it and the optics probably wouldn't be great.
That's not the case here though they're considering an objection against one of the biggest clubs in the Country who have just poached the 2nd best forward in the country to make up for their failings last season. I honestly think 99% of GAA people will be behind Glen in this instance so why the f**k not? The worst thing that can happen is you lose and sure that's where they are right now anyway!!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0123/1350351-glen-seek-16th-man-clarity-before-wednesday-deadline/
Derry side Glen have said they are "extremely disappointed" that the GAA will not review the potential rules breach from their AIB All-Ireland club final defeat to Kilmacud Crokes without the club first submitting an official objection.
Glen sought clarification from the GAA over a flashpoint which saw Kilmacud Crokes appear to have an extra player on the pitch for a period of injury time in Sunday's final.
Glen have until 3.30pm on Wednesday to lodge an objection.
The penalties for breaching Rule 6.44 include the awarding of the game to the opposing team, for the game to be replayed, or a fine.
A review of potential infractions of this rule can be instigated by appeal or an "inquiry by the committee in charge", so the Central Competition Controls Committee (CCCC) could also choose to investigate without a request from Glen.
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2023, 09:31:13 PM
Originally I wasn't in favour of a replay but the more the day has gone on I think Glen maybe should object.
Factually the objection is 100% justified but if they'd been playing a Caltra or a Ballinderry type small community club it wouldn't sit well to do it and the optics probably wouldn't be great.
That's not the case here though they're considering an objection against one of the biggest clubs in the Country who have just poached the 2nd best forward in the country to make up for their failings last season. I honestly think 99% of GAA people will be behind Glen in this instance so why the f**k not? The worst thing that can happen is you lose and sure that's where they are right now anyway!!
I think first thing most people might have agreed with Malachy O'Rourke, that they were beaten and that was that.
Over the day the picture became clearer. The GAA has to act because the image of the sport is at risk. Any team could throw on 2 subs and leave the substituted players on the pitch with a minute left. Who cares about 15 a side?
I wasn't on for an objection, as the game done, but 24hrs later and maybe because of the GAA attitude to it, am now all on for a objection at the last possible second. f**k them, you may never be back. And I ain't a Glen man.
Anytime time I ever came on as sub ( not that often lol) first thing I done as I came on, was telling the guy going off, u subbed. Standard, back in them days.
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Anytime time I ever cam on as sub ( not that often lol) first thing I done as I came on, was telling the guy going off, u subbed. Standard, back in them days.
But did you come on as a sub in an All Ireland club final with seconds to go while your team was defending a 45?
You'd not be as casual as that post
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 23, 2023, 10:00:01 PM
Anytime time I ever cam on as sub ( not that often lol) first thing I done as I came on, was telling the guy going off, u subbed. Standard, back in them days.
Usually an unused sub ? ;)
No doubt the GAA will wait to until they realise it won't go away and will then capitulate and bow to growing media pressure.
Id have rather they came out and said straight away they were going to investigate and make a decision. But as they didn't, I hope they stick to their guns now and leave it in Glen's court*. Because if they don't and decide to give in under growing media pressure tomorrow or Wednesday it will be another example of how the organisation is lead by the nose by what the media decides are issues rather than actually what the organisation believes is within their rules.
And I say this in the hope Glen do lodge a complaint as it's not a scurrilous appeal.
Nay, starting lol.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 23, 2023, 08:41:25 PM
Glen should let Kilmacud go on the beer and takeaways for 3 days. Then lodge the appeal at the last minute on Wednesday. Rematch on Saturday evening.
I can ensure you the Glen players weren't back in the office at 9am this morning
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2023, 09:31:13 PM
Originally I wasn't in favour of a replay but the more the day has gone on I think Glen maybe should object.
Factually the objection is 100% justified but if they'd been playing a Caltra or a Ballinderry type small community club it wouldn't sit well to do it and the optics probably wouldn't be great.
That's not the case here though they're considering an objection against one of the biggest clubs in the Country who have just poached the 2nd best forward in the country to make up for their failings last season. I honestly think 99% of GAA people will be behind Glen in this instance so why the f**k not? The worst thing that can happen is you lose and sure that's where they are right now anyway!!
Who the other club are shouldn't come into it, there's either an issue that cost Glen during the match or there is not. If there is an appeal a replay will be given but Crokes shouldn't be judged any different than a rural club just because people don't like them.
16 by Robbie Brennan and Dara Mullin will be sports book ofvthe year
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Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2023, 09:31:13 PM
Originally I wasn't in favour of a replay but the more the day has gone on I think Glen maybe should object.
Factually the objection is 100% justified but if they'd been playing a Caltra or a Ballinderry type small community club it wouldn't sit well to do it and the optics probably wouldn't be great.
That's not the case here though they're considering an objection against one of the biggest clubs in the Country who have just poached the 2nd best forward in the country to make up for their failings last season. I honestly think 99% of GAA people will be behind Glen in this instance so why the f**k not? The worst thing that can happen is you lose and sure that's where they are right now anyway!!
Who the other club are shouldn't come into it, there's either an issue that cost Glen during the match or there is not. If there is an appeal a replay will be given but Crokes shouldn't be judged any different than a rural club just because people don't like them.
I don't think he means the GAA should treat Glen differently. But rather how neutrals would view the appeal.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 23, 2023, 10:00:01 PM
Anytime time I ever cam on as sub ( not that often lol) first thing I done as I came on, was telling the guy going off, u subbed. Standard, back in them days.
But did you come on as a sub in an All Ireland club final with seconds to go while your team was defending a 45?
You'd not be as casual as that post
Agreed. But always standard thag the linesman/ref/4th official doesn't let you on the pitch or let the game restart until he sees who has came on and who has went off .
This will come down to the players. I'd say if I was a Glen player having been beaten I wouldn't want a replay. Some of the players might, possibly even a majority but if a few players are half hearted about it then it is not worth appealing. Having lost the final I would guess most of the players just want to move on and try to come back next year just like Crokes did. If they got a replay and some of the players were half hearted the they'd get annihilated.
I remember watching Crokes v Bellaghy on croker in 95, Crokes had 3/4 imports playing that day. Damn hurricane that day.
I'm hearing Glen will send the email
This will then mean that Kilmacud will have to recall there players from the holidays they provided them with.
Shane Walsh on way back from Cancoon
Hugh Kenny on way back from Greystones
Quote from: clawaddy on January 23, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
I am a neutral in this discussion but it seems to me that Glen were treated badly during the last few minutes. The cynical use of substitutes in extra time used up most of the 3 min which the ref chose to ignore. I think the sideline officials are more to blame for the 16/17 players but the ref should have allowed more time
I think many neutrals including myself would think the same. I'll also that Glen had their chance and weren't good enough on the day. I don't think the extra player had a bearing on the outcome, but there is no possible way to prove that he didn't and therein lies the problem.
Just a Bollix of a situation.
The problem will be who in Glen actually make the call on what to do next. The players will be in two camps, the committee will also be in two camps and that's not forgetting the management as well as influential general members. Then theres the sponsors who may have an opinion. Just getting a consensus will be an art in itself.
Quote from: bannside on January 23, 2023, 11:47:44 PM
The problem will be who in Glen actually make the call on what to do next. The players will be in two camps, the committee will also be in two camps and that's not forgetting the management as well as influential general members. Then theres the sponsors who may have an opinion. Just getting a consensus will be an art in itself.
They will be watching the media reaction.
The Irish Times headline implied that there is going to be a replay
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Glen have to appeal. Not whether they want to or not, but to put the decision back into the hands of the GAA, which should be the case as the governing body of the game.
It'll be one for Reeling in the Years anyway.
Is it too late to get the 95 final replayed?
None of this would of happened if subs weren't allowed on just to waste time. The ref could have stopped subs coming on. Cynicism rewarded.Glen should appeal to make the point but decline offer of replay
Quote from: clawaddy on January 24, 2023, 06:59:21 AM
None of this would of happened if subs weren't allowed on just to waste time. The ref could have stopped subs coming on. Cynicism rewarded.Glen should appeal to make the point but decline offer of replay
If there is an appeal the rules kick in. It's not a matter of opinion. It's not how anyone in the GAA feels. The game is played with 15 players.
The ref's decision on a game cannot be challenged but this is different. It's about the DNA of the game.
They should do it for Watty. He stood up against injustice.
I hope they hammer Kilmacud in the replay. They wouldvneed a big shift from the forwards.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0123/1350410-kelly-gaa-should-order-replay-not-put-onus-on-glen/
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 07:18:23 AM
They should do it for Watty. He stood up against injustice.
I hope they hammer Kilmacud in the replay. They wouldvneed a big shift from the forwards.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0123/1350410-kelly-gaa-should-order-replay-not-put-onus-on-glen/
Are you Galway lads sore with Walsh? ;)
Hopefully opinion isn't split in Glen whatever they decide, could be like contentious family money in a will, create nothing but ill feeling that is hard to repair and do damage long term. HQ really should be making the decision without putting the pressure on Glen to be the bad guys.
Agree with Brolly. Decision should have been made on Sunday evening though.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 24, 2023, 08:20:19 AM
Hopefully opinion isn't split in Glen whatever they decide, could be like contentious family money in a will, create nothing but ill feeling that is hard to repair and do damage long term. HQ really should be making the decision without putting the pressure on Glen to be the bad guys.
HQ made a decision; that they weren't going to intervene without an objection.
It's on Glen to decide.
It's not a difficult decision FfS. Just send the letter Glen and stop pontificating on Twitter.
A good point made earlier by someone here I hadn't thought about.
Glen send the email and put it back in GAA hands and sure then decide if you want to take part in a replay if it is offered.
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Big cheque, huh?
Not really what the association is about, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
It was a f**k up and someone has to take the blame for this, not Glen, I said had there been another 5 minutes Glen would have still struggled to win the game, the one Glass missed summed up some of their play in that second half in front of goal, it wasn't to be. Personally if it had have been a one point difference and this lad prevented Glen from scoring a nailed on point, then yes, I could 100% stand over their right to have a replay. But the reality is slightly different and looking at those penalties available to Croke Park, they will take the fine one and move on
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
Listen to Brolly on otb. Should be a fine for the Mannion breach as it's immaterial but the other fella was in the thick of it.
If the game was to be replayed its bound to be difficult for both sets of players to get themselves geared up for it. Bound to be a strange atmosphere amongst the crowd also.
It's almost a lose lose for glen, if they're beat again, was it really worth all the bother for more heartbreak and if they win there is bound to be some sort of feeling that its a hollow victory in some ways.
Tricky situation for them whatever way you look at. Maybe the suggestion of a payout from the GAA like a players holiday wwould be the best option.
send the email and replay the game
Quote from: Ghost on January 24, 2023, 08:56:39 AM
If the game was to be replayed its bound to be difficult for both sets of players to get themselves geared up for it. Bound to be a strange atmosphere amongst the crowd also.
It's almost a lose lose for glen, if they're beat again, was it really worth all the bother for more heartbreak and if they win there is bound to be some sort of feeling that its a hollow victory in some ways.
Tricky situation for them whatever way you look at. Maybe the suggestion of a payout from the GAA like a players holiday wwould be the best option.
It happened in a hurling semi final in 1998. The ref blew up 3 minutes early . Clare were leading. Offaly objected and there was a sit down on the pitch.
Offaly won the replay.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Big cheque, huh?
Not really what the association is about, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Fair enough, but they've been wronged and they've got leverage
If I was a Glen man, this is how I'd be sorting it
Recompense might not be in as blunt a form as a cheque, but I'd be looking for something
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
Glen will have known immediately it would be upto them to object, like every club they'll have someone who'd they'd call to check the rules or even one of their club officials would know. Putting that statement out on social media won't have done them any favours with those who might be required to sit on a CAC or the CHC.
I would love to see the WhatsApp group with Enda Gormley and the 2 McCuskers with Brolly.
Brolly has been brilliant :)
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
The principle in the Offaly/Clare match was that game had not been decided at the time the ref blew his whistle.
The game on Sunday had not been decided either, even if KC were more likely to win (but also also paranoid about a high lobbing ball)
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Chuckling try and explain the big cheque to a player ????
Quote from: naka on January 24, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Chuckling try and explain the big cheque to a player ????
Chuckle away
I know some of the players
They don't want a replay
Nobody really does
Quote from: naka on January 24, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Chuckling try and explain the big cheque to a player ????
I think it might play out something like this
I don't know if it's the right outcome but I just don't think all of Glen will be up for playing again
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
And if Glen appeal and a replay is ordered Kilmacud will lawyer up and fire this back at them. Do the rules state what sort of infractions is severe/moderate and light?
Would look absolutely awful if KC were to appeal
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 24, 2023, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
And if Glen appeal and a replay is ordered Kilmacud will lawyer up and fire this back at them. Do the rules state what sort of infractions is severe/moderate and light?
I think as mentioned above this all hinges on what Glen players largely - club committee to a lesser but still important extent - actually want here. If majority of players want to push it, there will be a replay no question. If they feel like their manager feels even 50% of them just leave it be BUT definitely would be within their rights to get a good donation to a team holiday fund or whatever for the pressure of last few days alone.
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
Someone else coulda filled that spot. Getting outta hand, the members of the club should have had a vote today and left it at that, give them one question, appeal or not appeal?
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 24, 2023, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
And if Glen appeal and a replay is ordered Kilmacud will lawyer up and fire this back at them. Do the rules state what sort of infractions is severe/moderate and light?
To be fair that would be impractical as it would be impossible to list all circumstances as they're almost infinite. It just says "depending on circumstances". I think most reasonable people taking the emotion out of it would have to conclude the Mullin situation is very much at the lower end of things. The Charlie Redmond one back in 95 was worse for example but I'd probably say on the lower end too.
If Mullin was on for a few seconds extra just after half time would we be having this conversation?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
Someone else coulda filled that spot. Getting outta hand, the members of the club should have had a vote today and left it at that, give them one question, appeal or not appeal?
maybe - maybe not. Maybe he goes off and leaves a gap maybe he goes off and 3 players fill the gap. WHo knows? All I know is he shouldn't have been there.
Its like an offside rule in soccer. You don't have to touch the ball to be offside!
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
People need to understand how the GAA disciplinary system works. The media are consistently bad in this regard.
Also - read the rule and try to understand it. If this gets pushed the logical penalty is a small fine (read the rule before you come at me). There are options for penalties presented in the rule from severe (award/forfeiture) to moderate (replay) to light (fine). In the range of possible breaches of this rule ask yourself truthfully - what category does it fall into? About 10 seconds of playing time where the ball doesn't come near the play?
Eh? He's standing 2m away from it going past him at that post! The fact he did not interfere directly is irrelevant. There is no mention of "interfering with play" in the rule. This isn't the Offside rule!
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Imagine selling an ireland final replay for new catch nets. Christ.
Glen were wronged - that is clear for all to see.
The rules dictate that it is up to them to make an objection.
They should absolutely make an objection - however once the replay is ordered then the players/management have to make a decision.
Sitting in the pub yesterday the players will likely say 'f**k it we were beat' however once the cold light of days comes they may think they should take a chance of winning an All Ireland.
Anyone blaming the GAA for following the rules and awaiting a Glen objection is way off the mark. Do you want the GAA to go back and review every infringement that was missed in a game?
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Imagine selling an ireland final replay for new catch nets. Christ.
Hard to know if the appetite would be there for a replay. Like to think it would given all they've went through to get there and the uncertainty of it they'll ever be back. Don't think Glen too worried about a big cheque I doubt they're short of a few quid up there.
Either way the whole situation is unfair on the players of both sides.
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
One of the "suits" in Croke Park should have ran down the steps and grabbed the cup just as it was about to be presented.
Glen might have an appitite for a replay if it was taken out of Dublin and played in Clones or someplace
closer to Maghera.
Why should Glen travel to Dublin again ? into Kilmacud Crokes back yard, I know the
argument that Croke Park is not their home ground but it still gives them a big advantage.
It is much easier to get up on Sunday morning and get the bus to Croke Park ( or a helicopter from Galway in
Shane Walshe's case ;D ) than get to Dublin from the North to a match.
Just copy soccer (aaaaargh....)
Sub can't come on till replaced player leaves the field.
Surely 8 Officials in big games can police this?
I know in the D5 Leagues and the likes with only 1 neutral official it might be a bit harder but in an AI Final there's enough of them there!
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
I really don't like how people are trying to magnify the rule breaking as a weakness in the rule book.
Was it the GAA's fault that a thug from Stewartstown tried to smash Paudie Clifford's head off with an elbow last week? No.
Was it the GAA's fault that unnamed Armagh subs spilled into the field last year va Galway's and one of them went eye-gouging? No.
Can it really be the GAA's fault that a player (willingly or otherwise) did not leave the field when a substitution was made? This has happened oodles of times in matches and it's always quickly picked up on and put to rights.
I can't have this GAA bashing.
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
I would love to know what Bronagh thinks.
They might never get to another all Ireland final.
And they were blackguarded
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
I really don't like how people are trying to magnify the rule breaking as a weakness in the rule book.
Was it the GAA's fault that a thug from Stewartstown tried to smash Paudie Clifford's head off with an elbow last week? No.
Was it the GAA's fault that unnamed Armagh subs spilled into the field last year va Galway's and one of them went eye-gouging? No.
Can it really be the GAA's fault that a player (willingly or otherwise) did not leave the field when a substitution was made? This has happened oodles of times in matches and it's always quickly picked up on and put to rights.
I can't have this GAA bashing.
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
It's not GAA bashing, we need to look to improve, how can our sport find itself in situations like this and is there a way to prevent it or mitigate better? There may not be but this is farcical and embarrassing stuff after the final of one of the premier competitions in GAA.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
The rules say 15 players.
I could say that Maghera could have lobbed the ball in with 15 on 15 . You could say anything but neither would be the point. KC had 16 players when the game was still in play.
The GAA should have sorted this out on Sunday.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Franko on January 24, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Glen chairman phones relevant GAA mandarin and says - "We're going to appeal, award us a replay and we'll decline it. BUT, we need something for it."
GAA award replay
Glen decline
Both respective organisations look good in the public eye
Glen get a big cheque.
This is how it should play out if anyone had any sense.
Big cheque, huh?
Not really what the association is about, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Well they offered the hurlers from your own county something similar of a deal a few years back.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
I really don't like how people are trying to magnify the rule breaking as a weakness in the rule book.
Was it the GAA's fault that a thug from Stewartstown tried to smash Paudie Clifford's head off with an elbow last week? No.
Was it the GAA's fault that unnamed Armagh subs spilled into the field last year va Galway's and one of them went eye-gouging? No.
Can it really be the GAA's fault that a player (willingly or otherwise) did not leave the field when a substitution was made? This has happened oodles of times in matches and it's always quickly picked up on and put to rights.
I can't have this GAA bashing.
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
No one is saying these actions are the GAA's fault ffs. How they deal with them is. Although in this case, some fault lies with the ref/ linesmen. So yeah that does mean the GAA is partly at fault. But mistakes will happen like this. How they're dealt with is what matters. No need for the big woe is me hysterics about pointing out when mistakes happen. It's the only way the organisation will improve and try to prevent it happening again. It sometimes takes these high profile mistakes for the organisation to take preventative actions.
And I say that now as someone who hope the GAA stick to their guns now that they've made a decision and leave it in Glens court.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
Just copy soccer (aaaaargh....)
Sub can't come on till replaced player leaves the field.
Surely 8 Officials in big games can police this?
I know in the D5 Leagues and the likes with only 1 neutral official it might be a bit harder but in an AI Final there's enough of them there!
This will be the result alright
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 24, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 24, 2023, 09:14:03 AM
Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
I really don't like how people are trying to magnify the rule breaking as a weakness in the rule book.
Was it the GAA's fault that a thug from Stewartstown tried to smash Paudie Clifford's head off with an elbow last week? No.
Was it the GAA's fault that unnamed Armagh subs spilled into the field last year va Galway's and one of them went eye-gouging? No.
Can it really be the GAA's fault that a player (willingly or otherwise) did not leave the field when a substitution was made? This has happened oodles of times in matches and it's always quickly picked up on and put to rights.
I can't have this GAA bashing.
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
it absolutely is the officials fault in this case. Glen have a perfectly legitimate case here and were wronged. Who are any of us to say that if the ref had done the right thing and allowed the 45 be retaken with 15 vs 15 that Glen wouldnt have scored? Don't see any sour grapes at all from Glen.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
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Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.
Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?
They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.
There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.
It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.
Nothing against Crokes and good luck to both clubs. It was a genuine mistake on Sunday, who made the mistake has nothing to do with Glen. Crokes won the All Ireland outside the rules in that they had an extra player defending a two point lead, I doubt they'll be happy with that themselves as it will always be mentioned when this All Ireland win is discussed.
As someone posted the cup shouldn't have been presented, it was obvious there and then something went wrong. Both clubs would of agreed with the retaking of the 45.
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 07:18:23 AM
They should do it for Watty. He stood up against injustice.
I hope they hammer Kilmacud in the replay. They wouldvneed a big shift from the forwards.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0123/1350410-kelly-gaa-should-order-replay-not-put-onus-on-glen/
Are you Galway lads sore with Walsh? ;)
No. He'll still play for the county so no worries.
I'm just sickened by Mullin on the goal line
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Mannion was near the sideline and Wattys were aiming for the goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
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Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Crokes are a fairly big club based in Dublin; the Dublin based media would have taken the story on and by Tuesday morning the pressure on the GAA would of led to a replay date in my opinion, without an offical club objection.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
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Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Rule 6.44 refers to both fielding too many substitutes as well as having more than 15 players on the pitch. Penalties range, "depending on circumstances" from fines to a rematch being ordered to forfeiture by the offending team. The GAAboard is not mentioned anywhere in rule 6.44, to the best of my knowledge.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Scenario 1. Glenn don't appeal, Croke Park breathe a huge sigh of relief, the drinking continues in earnest is Stilorgan..
Scenario 2. Glenn appeal, Croke Park have to make a decision and decide to fine Crokes a few €k as it's deemed a light infringement which didn't impact on the final result. Cue huge twitterati outrage, Grab All Association, Dublin teams getting away with it etc etc. Messy
Scenario 3. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay, probably the following weekend as both teams need 6 days notification IIRC. Crokes hugely motivated going into that game, Glenn less so IMO.
Scenario 4. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay as above, Glenn then forfeit the game and give it to the Crokes. Croke Park, probably happy enough with that outcome, Twitterati wonder what the point of the appeal was in the first place.
Have I missed anything?
You're a player or member of the Glenn executive, what do you decide to do?
Gael80.. it's would HAVE not the ridiculous and meaningless "would of" that countless people use nowadays.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
——
Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Batshit crazy nonsense. Kilmacud transgression equates to an agenda against them. Catch yourself on.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
By the letter of the law? Yes, as he wasn't leaving the pitch having been substituted. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, probably not.
All of that is irrelevant however, as Mullin WAS there and was actively defending the play.
The two of them together however? Nothing minor about it.
OTB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqMJ3FBv_k&t=2460s
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
I agree with Brolly re Mannion, obviously wouldnt be in the spirit of the game to appeal on that basis and if it had just been him then a fine of some sort would have sufficed
attn Franko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqMJ3FBv_k&t=4395s
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Yeah stop the clock for the subs surely and add on, no issue with managers throwing lads on in injury time to disrupt the game or even to give them the experience of being on the field for it. The ref had the chance to replay the 45 though which would have solved all of this. Likely the ball is cleared again but we'll never know.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
You don't actually believe that do you?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
I would say any subs for sentimental reasons would be completely out the window at the end of a tight championship match at any level, never mind at the end of the senior AI club final.
This is very good. The GAA needs to own its rulebook. #Facepalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqMJ3FBv_k&t=4950s
Quote from: HiMucker on January 24, 2023, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
I would say any subs for sentimental reasons would be completely out the window at the end of a tight championship match at any level, never mind at the end of the senior AI club final.
sentimental subs are for when you're 10 points clear and cruising. Those lads were sent on to waste time number one but also because the manager trusted them to see the game out.
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Crokes are a fairly big club based in Dublin; the Dublin based media would have taken the story on and by Tuesday morning the pressure on the GAA would of led to a replay date in my opinion, without an offical club objection.
That's such utter nonsense.
The media reaction whether in or outside Dublin is to put the boot into Crokes. Articles about the possible replay but bringing in stuff about Walsh, their sponsors, their numbers - all completely irrelevant to this issue, but being used as an add-on as to why Crokes should be punished. There might be one pro-Crokes article out there, but I haven't seen it!
I'm no fan of KC, but I would be categoric in saying if the roles were reversed, they would already have put it to bed and said no appeal will be made. But their circumstances are much different to Glen, they have won it before and would be confident of winning it again
There wouldn't have had to be an appeal from Crokes as the GAA would have ordered the replay on Sunday evening ffs.
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Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
There wouldn't have had to be an appeal from Crokes as the GAA would have ordered the replay on Sunday evening ffs.
Utter nonsense! It's hilarious that you're small minded enough to believe that
I'm sure you'd be on here roaring for a replay if things were the other way around 😂
Quote from: Hound on January 24, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
There wouldn't have had to be an appeal from Crokes as the GAA would have ordered the replay on Sunday evening ffs.
Utter nonsense! It's hilarious that you're small minded enough to believe that
I'm sure you'd be on here roaring for a replay if things were the other way around 😂
I couldn't give the slightest f**k about Glen. I'd absolutely be calling for a replay as, for some bizarre reason, I think it's important that the fundamental rules of the sport are seen to be upheld at the highest level.
There seems to be this bizarre idea that anyone not connected to Crokes or the wider Dublin GAA are somehow begrudgers here. The truth is Crokes barely cross anyone's radar in the way that Cross or Nemo or Corofin would. For all their riches, they are comparative nobodies.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
——
Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Normally your posts are very good wobbler but I think you have got this very wrong.
Glen issued a statement on the matter and you saying it is wrongdoing?
The rules were broken which may have impacted the outcome of a game - people rightly call this out and you have them down as legion of keyboard warriors?
Would you prefer no one mention it and it is swept under the carpet?
Im not sure what your thought process is. Do you think nothing should come of it and result stands?
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 11:10:03 AM
Rule 6.44 refers to both fielding too many substitutes as well as having more than 15 players on the pitch. Penalties range, "depending on circumstances" from fines to a rematch being ordered to forfeiture by the offending team. The GAAboard is not mentioned anywhere in rule 6.44, to the best of my knowledge.
They are though. In 6.44 (b) in the penalties section it says:
Penalties:
On a proven Objection - Award of Game to the Opposing
Team, or Replay, or Fine, depending on the circumstances.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture of
Game without Award of Game to the Opposing Team, or
Replay, or Fine, depending on the circumstances
That allows for either an objection by Glen OR the committee in charge to intervene (via an inquiry). They clearly didnt take this option and have pushed in onto Glen to appeal. I think that's cowardliness of the highest order. The option of appeal should only have to be used if the committee in charge were unware of the rule breach. At the top levels in the GAA rules are often replaced by politics unfortunately.
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That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Scenario 1. Glenn don't appeal, Croke Park breathe a huge sigh of relief, the drinking continues in earnest is Stilorgan..
Scenario 2. Glenn appeal, Croke Park have to make a decision and decide to fine Crokes a few €k as it's deemed a light infringement which didn't impact on the final result. Cue huge twitterati outrage, Grab All Association, Dublin teams getting away with it etc etc. Messy
Scenario 3. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay, probably the following weekend as both teams need 6 days notification IIRC. Crokes hugely motivated going into that game, Glenn less so IMO.
Scenario 4. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay as above, Glenn then forfeit the game and give it to the Crokes. Croke Park, probably happy enough with that outcome, Twitterati wonder what the point of the appeal was in the first place.
Have I missed anything?
You're a player or member of the Glenn executive, what do you decide to do?
I would put in a reluctant appeal and say that the clubs hands were tied as their job isn't to administer the rules. That should have been left to the association to deal with. The GAA will then order the replay and set the date. After that it is down to Glen as to whether they accept or not. I think this is the most likely scenario and its an unenviable position for club members of Glen to be faced with because you will never get unanimity on it.
Straight after the game the emotion of defeat is raw and Malachy O'Rourke stated that he didn't really want to countenance an appeal but when they reflect on it they might think they will never be in this position again whereby they have a 50/50 chance of winning an AI title. Can they live with that regret if they don't play the replay? Personally I would appeal and play the replay, no point in playing the nice guy for a mistake not of their doing.
Why do ye all think there'll be a replay if Glen lodge an objection?
I'd suspect KC woukd get a fine.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 24, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Scenario 1. Glenn don't appeal, Croke Park breathe a huge sigh of relief, the drinking continues in earnest is Stilorgan..
Scenario 2. Glenn appeal, Croke Park have to make a decision and decide to fine Crokes a few €k as it's deemed a light infringement which didn't impact on the final result. Cue huge twitterati outrage, Grab All Association, Dublin teams getting away with it etc etc. Messy
Scenario 3. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay, probably the following weekend as both teams need 6 days notification IIRC. Crokes hugely motivated going into that game, Glenn less so IMO.
Scenario 4. Glenn appeal, Croke Park set the date for a replay as above, Glenn then forfeit the game and give it to the Crokes. Croke Park, probably happy enough with that outcome, Twitterati wonder what the point of the appeal was in the first place.
Have I missed anything?
You're a player or member of the Glenn executive, what do you decide to do?
I think they must be following the development of the story. If there wasn't any thing in it it wouldn't be still in the news 48 hours after the match.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
I would say any subs for sentimental reasons would be completely out the window at the end of a tight championship match at any level, never mind at the end of the senior AI club final.
sentimental subs are for when you're 10 points clear and cruising. Those lads were sent on to waste time number one but also because the manager trusted them to see the game out.
Agreed
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It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
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Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Normally your posts are very good wobbler but I think you have got this very wrong.
Glen issued a statement on the matter and you saying it is wrongdoing?
The rules were broken which may have impacted the outcome of a game - people rightly call this out and you have them down as legion of keyboard warriors?
Would you prefer no one mention it and it is swept under the carpet?
Im not sure what your thought process is. Do you think nothing should come of it and result stands?
Thought process is this:
1. Glen have a clear case for an objection. Either they feel they were wronged or they do not. If they do, then they should appeal.
2. The quickest way for CiC to make a mess of Glen's chances of a favourable outcome is for them to intervene ahead of being requested, and force a ruling upon Kilmacud. Such a ruling would almost certainly be fought by KC, then thrown out by DRA on grounds of a lack of precedence, and / or unrequested interjection, and/ or unintended bias.
In short. Glen shouldn't be playing games on social media and feeding the trolls like Brolly. Man up in either direction and I'll applaud them. If they're hoping that an administrative body with a woolly rule book to come to their rescue, and strap themselves into the "bad guys" seat to save Glen's sense of honour, then well they'll be disappointed, and they will deserve to be disappointed.
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
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That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.
How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.
The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.
I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?
Quote from: Gael80 on January 24, 2023, 10:56:29 AM
The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.
They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay
I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.
Crokes are a fairly big club based in Dublin; the Dublin based media would have taken the story on and by Tuesday morning the pressure on the GAA would of led to a replay date in my opinion, without an offical club objection.
That's such utter nonsense.
The media reaction whether in or outside Dublin is to put the boot into Crokes. Articles about the possible replay but bringing in stuff about Walsh, their sponsors, their numbers - all completely irrelevant to this issue, but being used as an add-on as to why Crokes should be punished. There might be one pro-Crokes article out there, but I haven't seen it!
I'm no fan of KC, but I would be categoric in saying if the roles were reversed, they would already have put it to bed and said no appeal will be made. But their circumstances are much different to Glen, they have won it before and would be confident of winning it again
Pure whataboutery Hound. Rule 6.44 says nothing about Stillorgan income levels . It's not a culture war.
The game is 15 aside.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 12:30:37 PM
Why do ye all think there'll be a replay if Glen lodge an objection?
I'd suspect KC woukd get a fine.
Suspect so with the CAC initially but if it ended up with the DRA I'd be confident they'd get a replay. (Then again would they be able to take it too the DRA if just a fine was issued?)
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
Presumably the big issue for Wattys would be the tag of bad losers.
This has nothing to do with rule 6.44.
If Wattys do decide not to appeal it will not help the GAA.
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
It's so f**king typical of GAA player and management thought processes. Lose a match? Blame anyone and everyone but yourselves.
Would you ever f**k off with this nonsense. Glen have done absolutely nothing wrong here - there are no sour grapes. Don't try and pretend you're talking about it in a general sense.
Glen actually have done something wrong. They've issued a woe is us statement on Twitter instead of launching an injection.
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Apart from that Glen have handled this with tremendous grace to date.
It's the legions of keyboard warriors with an agenda against a large Dublin club, who are determined to fling muck at anyone and everyone until the "little guy" gets a replay, that's who've donned the "it's always someone else's fault" mantra.
Normally your posts are very good wobbler but I think you have got this very wrong.
Glen issued a statement on the matter and you saying it is wrongdoing?
The rules were broken which may have impacted the outcome of a game - people rightly call this out and you have them down as legion of keyboard warriors?
Would you prefer no one mention it and it is swept under the carpet?
Im not sure what your thought process is. Do you think nothing should come of it and result stands?
Thought process is this:
1. Glen have a clear case for an objection. Either they feel they were wronged or they do not. If they do, then they should appeal.
2. The quickest way for CiC to make a mess of Glen's chances of a favourable outcome is for them to intervene ahead of being requested, and force a ruling upon Kilmacud. Such a ruling would almost certainly be fought by KC, then thrown out by DRA on grounds of a lack of precedence, and / or unrequested interjection, and/ or unintended bias.
In short. Glen shouldn't be playing games on social media and feeding the trolls like Brolly. Man up in either direction and I'll applaud them. If they're hoping that an administrative body with a woolly rule book to come to their rescue, and strap themselves into the "bad guys" seat to save Glen's sense of honour, then well they'll be disappointed, and they will deserve to be disappointed.
What does this mean? What is CiC and what do you mean by 'force a ruling on Kilmacud'?
I think you are being very harsh on Glen here, they are doing what any club in this situation should do. Take your time and consult with committee and club members to reach some form of consensus. There will likely be a whole range of opinions from within the club so why should they 'man up in either direction' and make a quick definitive decision just to appease the governing body who have put them in an unenviable position.
Replay set for Limerick at 500 pm Saturday evening
Cormac Reilly appointed referee
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Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
Presumably the big issue for Wattys would be the tag of bad losers.
This has nothing to do with rule 6.44.
If Wattys do decide not to appeal it will not help the GAA.
Hmm playing with 16 players would be bad winners.
I honestly think public opinion is with Glen on this.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 12:30:37 PM
Why do ye all think there'll be a replay if Glen lodge an objection?
I'd suspect KC woukd get a fine.
Previous examples has shown that replays is seen as the moderate option that is gone to. Fine too lenient, awarding the game too harsh. A lot of GAA journos (who would be in the know with whispers from CP) say that word is that a replay will be ordered if Glen do object. It's the least worst option
This anti-Dublin rant by well known troublemaker Barry Kelly is well out of order
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0123/1350410-kelly-gaa-should-order-replay-not-put-onus-on-glen/
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Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
Presumably the big issue for Wattys would be the tag of bad losers.
This has nothing to do with rule 6.44.
If Wattys do decide not to appeal it will not help the GAA.
Hmm playing with 16 players would be bad winners.
I honestly think public opinion is with Glen on this.
So do I. If everyone agreed with the result it wouldn't still be in the media
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Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
Presumably the big issue for Wattys would be the tag of bad losers.
This has nothing to do with rule 6.44.
If Wattys do decide not to appeal it will not help the GAA.
Hmm playing with 16 players would be bad winners.
I honestly think public opinion is with Glen on this.
So do I. If everyone agreed with the result it wouldn't still be in the media
Gaaboard, a snapshot of the GAA community, has 2 dedicated threads and dozens of pages every day on it this week. I honestly think they will kick themselves if they let it go.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Any white smoke from South Derry yet? Are the committee meeting tonight?
Love to be fly on the wall there.
@yellowcard
CiC is committee in charge. They're responsible for among other things, appointing match officials, and issuing fines and suspensions.
The point I'm making here is that according to the rule book, CiC are within their power to launch an investigation into a match without an objection being made.
But it would be extraordinarily unusual for a CiC to invoke this authority without an objection being made, as do so would - intentionally or not - open up the potential for their investigation to be shrouded in bias. Whether you like to believe it or not, if they open an investigation, the act of doing so favours one team over another. No matter how just this is, it still taints things.
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What many people on here and on Twitter want is for CiC to intervene and set a replay, immediately. They cannot do this. There would have to be an investigation, and in all likelihood, this would take the form of a round table mediation session between senior officials from each club, to see if they can agree on an outcome, that is also within the rules of the association.
If CiC went nuclear and set a replay next week without consultation , it would be a DRA job, and KC would surely load their counter appeal with claims of bias.
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Now should Glen launch an official objection, the first step would almost certainly be the same as above; round table mediation.
The big difference here is that if clubs cannot agree on an outcome, then CiC would make a ruling. The club that loses out then takes this to a hearing. But crucially, KC's angle for bias / bowing to media pressure is largely extinguished.
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Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 12:30:37 PM
Why do ye all think there'll be a replay if Glen lodge an objection?
I'd suspect KC woukd get a fine.
Previous examples has shown that replays is seen as the moderate option that is gone to. Fine too lenient, awarding the game too harsh. A lot of GAA journos (who would be in the know with whispers from CP) say that word is that a replay will be ordered if Glen do object. It's the least worst option
Most of those journo's will have been flat out googling how the GAA disciplinary process works, I'd be amazed if anyone who sits on the central councils CAC will have talked to a journo or any of the top brass who might a say.
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Gael80.. it's would HAVE not the ridiculous and meaningless "would of" that countless people use nowadays.
If there was a like button on here, I would like this post.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
When the ref blows the whistle for the end of the game he can't un-blow it and restart the game. The ref makes a call and by the rule book (even if he is wrong) can't change that, rule books do not always allow for common sense.
I've seen that chaos on the sideline at many a game, and when the team is holding on to win an all Ireland you will flood the end of the game with subs...
Its up to headquarters to look at the sub rule during injury time and address it properly, Adding a full minute per sub would certainly reduce the managers throwing on subs, and trust me O'Rourke would have done the same thing
Would anyone maybe consider that the purpose of these subs were not so much time wasting, as getting players some game time in an AI final? You know, the lads who made a contribution during the campaign but didn't make the starting xv for the final? Or is the human touch completely gone from our game?
They were 2 points up and defending a 45 in an AIF. To say that a manager would throw on subs sentimentally at this point is ludicrous.
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 11:21:25 AM
attn Franko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqMJ3FBv_k&t=4395s
Haven't time to watch - give me the short version
if Glen put the objection in to prove a point and Croke Park sets a date and time for the replay but then Glen decide they don't want to play in the replay, are we going to have another farcical situation in which Kilmacud field and the ref throws the ball in and Paul Mannion or Shane Walsh kick the ball into an empty net?
A message for KC .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsIGF-KZZw
It is a good job conor glass had not scored goal and Glen won match as it would be awful for Glen to have to replay
Quote from: downtothecore on January 24, 2023, 05:53:50 PM
It is a good job conor glass had not scored goal and Glen won match as it would be awful for Glen to have to replay
Was only the 15 a side at this stage ;)
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if Glen put the objection in to prove a point and Croke Park sets a date and time for the replay but then Glen decide they don't want to play in the replay, are we going to have another farcical situation in which Kilmacud field and the ref throws the ball in and Paul Mannion or Shane Walsh kick the ball into an empty net?
Would that not only happen if Glen didn't tell them they weren't fielding?
Nice guys win f**k all, I had the objection in already. Am still pissed a penalty was given, when the foul was outside. Did Kerry give a f**k when they got Dara O'Shea of a red card for a all-Ireland final. Nope. Whether u feel, u didn't play good enough or missed chances to win is irrelevant. The rules were broken. No points been good guys (Ah the spirit of the game etc) I seen enough divers, cheats, dirty hits, men send off and appealed every week, even when they done a offence, to see the spirit of the game pissed off years ago. Clare got 2 men send off one week, then played the following week in the hurling. Nice guys win nothing, Every red card appealed now as the rulebook a joke. How's this any different. Derry lose a Ulster final in 1997 for a point a metre wide which was well pointed out to the ref at the time. Who remembers it, nobody, just Cavan were Ulster Champs 1997.Everybody be going well done Glen for not appealing, and in turn Crokes / others be laughing behind your back how stupid you are not to appeal it. Bad Losers, who cares. Rather be bad winners like Argentina.
It's not about nice guys or Dublin or Malachy O'Rourke or Beacon hospitals. It's about rules. The GAA's own rules.
https://youtu.be/lsO_SlA7E8k
If it had been Glen's first ever county or even Ulster final and similar circumstances had happened I would be fairly confident the objection would have been already submitted. It is a long road back to Croke Park and I believe Glen are well within their rights to lodge an objection.
Even if they don't the GAA should
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1617959796942012426
Quote from: downtothecore on January 24, 2023, 05:53:50 PM
It is a good job conor glass had not scored goal and Glen won match as it would be awful for Glen to have to replay
Who would have objected then lol
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Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
if Glen put the objection in to prove a point and Croke Park sets a date and time for the replay but then Glen decide they don't want to play in the replay, are we going to have another farcical situation in which Kilmacud field and the ref throws the ball in and Paul Mannion or Shane Walsh kick the ball into an empty net?
Would that not only happen if Glen didn't tell them they weren't fielding?
Yeah I think so.
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Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
if Glen put the objection in to prove a point and Croke Park sets a date and time for the replay but then Glen decide they don't want to play in the replay, are we going to have another farcical situation in which Kilmacud field and the ref throws the ball in and Paul Mannion or Shane Walsh kick the ball into an empty net?
Would that not only happen if Glen didn't tell them they weren't fielding?
Yeah I think so.
I imagine at that point they'd probably get fined for failure to fulfill a fixture ffs.
So rule wise, when a guy should been send off or thumped some lad but not carded or in the refs report, how is that aspect of the game assessed for possible suspension if the other team doesn't put in a objection.
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Ahem!!
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Haven't seen any news.
Cahair O'Kane reporting the objection has been lodged!
https://twitter.com/cahairokane1/status/1618002974751752193?s=46&t=YVlCxr9U2Qq9LyJPBIBDaw
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2023, 09:43:48 PM
So rule wise, when a guy should been send off or thumped some lad but not carded or in the refs report, how is that aspect of the game assessed for possible suspension if the other team doesn't put in a objection.
The ref has an opportunity to review and amend his report at request of CiC.
And there's the catch-all clause that CiC can launch an investigation should they see fit.
What's going on here is slightly different. The first of those would be used to sanction a player or two for a particularly aggressive incident. The second of those would (normally) be used to herald a disrepute charge against a club and could lead to all sorts of punishments, again for aggressive behaviour. Sunday's is different. If CiC launch an investigation the only potential outcome is to punish an entire club for a single player making a technical indiscretion that could have been accidental (although I don't think so). Hence if they were to proactively get involved it could be deemed as favouring one team over the other. Which I'd expect would be used as a rod to beat CiC with by KC.
Glen should just appeal. Get on with it lads.
Apparently they now have.
Quote from: 6th sam on January 24, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
I think I remember Manion looking over as he didn't know he was being subbed. He then (I think) looked up at the big screen, he then knew and walked over towards the sideline.
I've no recollection of seeing 14 being told he had to go off or did the camera show him like they did with Mannion, I really think the chaos and confusion of those final moments contributed to a mistake, the conspiracy theories are ott.
The ref ultimately didn't wait till the subs fully left and played on, but he'd definitely been told of the subs, the club sec writes out the slip hands it to 4th official, he'll have said 2 subs coming on and next break of play, there is only one light up board for subs and injury time minutes left, punching in one sub and if the second one was done also then unfortunately that's the ref's fault not KC's
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 24, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
I think I remember Manion looking over as he didn't know he was being subbed. He then (I think) looked up at the big screen, he then knew and walked over towards the sideline.
I've no recollection of seeing 14 being told he had to go off or did the camera show him like they did with Mannion, I really think the chaos and confusion of those final moments contributed to a mistake, the conspiracy theories are ott.
The ref ultimately didn't wait till the subs fully left and played on, but he'd definitely been told of the subs, the club sec writes out the slip hands it to 4th official, he'll have said 2 subs coming on and next break of play, there is only one light up board for subs and injury time minutes left, punching in one sub and if the second one was done also then unfortunately that's the ref's fault not KC's
Exactly. It's completely disingenuous to suggest this was a deliberate ploy by Mullin or Crokes. It's crystal clear Mannion had no idea he was going off until Fox (the sub) ran up to him and pointed for him to get off. Mullin also was concentrating on defending the 45, not looking at the big screen or hiding (incidentally the big screen put Mullin's name up in the top left hand corner at the exact moment the 45 was been taken). Mullin just had the game of his life, and for eejits to be suggesting he's a cheat now is disgraceful.
He had no idea he was being taken off. The second sub didn't get to him in time. The ref still had his hand up when the 45 was taken. The only reason I can think of for the ref to have his hand up is to signal for the freetaker to wait. But the freetaker didn't wait and the ref let it play anyway.
There is an onus on a team to have no more than 15 on the pitch when play resumes. And if this was a pure Crokes error I could see a reason for a replay to be a valid punishment in the circumstances. But Crokes may have a valid argument that the ref did not give them enough time to conclude the substitution, so it's a refereeing error rather than a KC error. Ref errors happen throughout the game and should not be reason for the GAA to enforce a replay. However, there may be an alternative view that the sub should still have made the effort to get to Mullin and get him off even though the Glen man was running up to hit the 45.
Quote from: Hound on January 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 24, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
I think I remember Manion looking over as he didn't know he was being subbed. He then (I think) looked up at the big screen, he then knew and walked over towards the sideline.
I've no recollection of seeing 14 being told he had to go off or did the camera show him like they did with Mannion, I really think the chaos and confusion of those final moments contributed to a mistake, the conspiracy theories are ott.
The ref ultimately didn't wait till the subs fully left and played on, but he'd definitely been told of the subs, the club sec writes out the slip hands it to 4th official, he'll have said 2 subs coming on and next break of play, there is only one light up board for subs and injury time minutes left, punching in one sub and if the second one was done also then unfortunately that's the ref's fault not KC's
Exactly. It's completely disingenuous to suggest this was a deliberate ploy by Mullin or Crokes. It's crystal clear Mannion had no idea he was going off until Fox (the sub) ran up to him and pointed for him to get off. Mullin also was concentrating on defending the 45, not looking at the big screen or hiding (incidentally the big screen put Mullin's name up in the top left hand corner at the exact moment the 45 was been taken). Mullin just had the game of his life, and for eejits to be suggesting he's a cheat now is disgraceful.
He had no idea he was being taken off. The second sub didn't get to him in time. The ref still had his hand up when the 45 was taken. The only reason I can think of for the ref to have his hand up is to signal for the freetaker to wait. But the freetaker didn't wait and the ref let it play anyway.
There is an onus on a team to have no more than 15 on the pitch when play resumes. And if this was a pure Crokes error I could see a reason for a replay to be a valid punishment in the circumstances. But Crokes may have a valid argument that the ref did not give them enough time to conclude the substitution, so it's a refereeing error rather than a KC error. Ref errors happen throughout the game and should not be reason for the GAA to enforce a replay. However, there may be an alternative view that the sub should still have made the effort to get to Mullin and get him off even though the Glen man was running up to hit the 45.
If Mullin didn't go off the sub should have. 16 players is cheating.
It's pretty fundamental for a referee, once you know a sub(s) is being made you check to see who comes on and who goes off. This moment of colossal idiocy from the match officials has snowballed into the farcical situation we have now.
Quote from: seafoid on January 25, 2023, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 24, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
I think I remember Manion looking over as he didn't know he was being subbed. He then (I think) looked up at the big screen, he then knew and walked over towards the sideline.
I've no recollection of seeing 14 being told he had to go off or did the camera show him like they did with Mannion, I really think the chaos and confusion of those final moments contributed to a mistake, the conspiracy theories are ott.
The ref ultimately didn't wait till the subs fully left and played on, but he'd definitely been told of the subs, the club sec writes out the slip hands it to 4th official, he'll have said 2 subs coming on and next break of play, there is only one light up board for subs and injury time minutes left, punching in one sub and if the second one was done also then unfortunately that's the ref's fault not KC's
Exactly. It's completely disingenuous to suggest this was a deliberate ploy by Mullin or Crokes. It's crystal clear Mannion had no idea he was going off until Fox (the sub) ran up to him and pointed for him to get off. Mullin also was concentrating on defending the 45, not looking at the big screen or hiding (incidentally the big screen put Mullin's name up in the top left hand corner at the exact moment the 45 was been taken). Mullin just had the game of his life, and for eejits to be suggesting he's a cheat now is disgraceful.
He had no idea he was being taken off. The second sub didn't get to him in time. The ref still had his hand up when the 45 was taken. The only reason I can think of for the ref to have his hand up is to signal for the freetaker to wait. But the freetaker didn't wait and the ref let it play anyway.
There is an onus on a team to have no more than 15 on the pitch when play resumes. And if this was a pure Crokes error I could see a reason for a replay to be a valid punishment in the circumstances. But Crokes may have a valid argument that the ref did not give them enough time to conclude the substitution, so it's a refereeing error rather than a KC error. Ref errors happen throughout the game and should not be reason for the GAA to enforce a replay. However, there may be an alternative view that the sub should still have made the effort to get to Mullin and get him off even though the Glen man was running up to hit the 45.
If Mullin didn't go off the sub should have. 16 players is cheating.
Personally I don't believe it was cheating as some are suggesting. But for those 6 seconds they did have an unfair advantage even if it was unintentional. It was an officials error to allow the 45m kick be taken (or not retaken), anything else is just trying to apportion blame because of prejudices.
Yes it's very unfortunate what happened for all concerned. A lot of conjecture and ifs and buts and blame pointing at both clubs.
But what is clear is the 45 should have been retaken and Glenn are completely within their rights to object. I'd even say they have a duty of care to do so.
What happens next is with the GAA (or maybe some under the table negotiations).
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2023, 02:18:15 PM
It's pretty fundamental for a referee, once you know a sub(s) is being made you check to see who comes on and who goes off. This moment of colossal idiocy from the match officials has snowballed into the farcical situation we have now.
So you've never been at a game or played in a game where you heard the sideline "hey Ref they have 16 players on?!" ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2023, 02:18:15 PM
It's pretty fundamental for a referee, once you know a sub(s) is being made you check to see who comes on and who goes off. This moment of colossal idiocy from the match officials has snowballed into the farcical situation we have now.
So you've never been at a game or played in a game where you heard the sideline "hey Ref they have 16 players on?!" ?
I think the problem is, if you take what people say happened as fact, after the 45 was taken he was alerted to the extra player on field. He ordered him off and subsequently blew up the game. That validated the period of play 16 players were on the field and puts KC on the hook and gives Glenn an avenue for appeal.
Had he ordered the 45 retaken, the period of play with 16 players on the field would have been invalidated and we wouldn't be here now. Whatever outcome happened afterwards would have been accepted by all i.e 2 point win for KC, 1 point win for KC, 1 point win for Glenn
Quote from: 6th sam on January 24, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I have no dog in this fight .
KC's super club image(financial strength, numbers strength and star player recruitment) has no relevance. 16 men on the field at a crucial vulnerable time for them , is a clear advantage penalised by rule.
I would ignore Mannion as 17th player , he was nowhere near the play or the line of vision to the goal.
In several years of involvement with the GAA I have never come across an issue with crucial play proceeding before sub went off . Sitting in hogan stand I commented that there seemed to be chaos around KC substitutions in injury time. KC conceded two second half goals ( from a 45, and last kick) into Hill 16 end last year in AI final. They nearly got caught in injury time in this year's AI semi.
Subs at top level are usually pre-organised , Mullins number was up , on PA system, subs board and two big screens . There is real possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing , by positioning himself on the goal line at a crucial period .
In short:
1. KC recent defensive history indicates a late goal was a real possibility
2. There is real possibility that Mullin staying on was not accidental
3. Rule was contravened (possibly deliberately) to the clear advantage of the winners at a crucial
Period of vulnerability for them
4. There is a clear evidence of this
5. Glen IMO have a duty to their players, management and members to do everything possible to win AI within the rules. This is not unsporting given the above
6. If KC are good enough they'll win the replay 15 v 15
Great post
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
Ref was definitely trying to get him off but he was in no hurry. Goalie too in no hurry with kick out. Think it took about 45 seconds for the kick out to happen between the no.1 and 14 messing. Looked like the ref just wanted it all to end as quick as possible. The actual Glenn play for the 45 took all of 5 or 6 seconds, and considering there was nearly a minute of play left when the 45 was awarded, leaving the 16 player issue aside, KC definitely exploited a weak referee on using the time clock to their advantage.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
Ref was definitely trying to get him off but he was in no hurry. Goalie too in no hurry with kick out. Think it took about 45 seconds for the kick out to happen between the no.1 and 14 messing. Looked like the ref just wanted it all to end as quick as possible. The actual Glenn play for the 45 took all of 5 or 6 seconds, and considering there was nearly a minute of play left when the 45 was awarded, leaving the 16 player issue aside, KC definitely exploited a weak referee on using the time clock to their advantage.
If you are a player on the winning side you'll wind down the clock, 3 minutes injury given and the ref did allow more time on top of that, you can't add time for slow kick outs, subs and injuries yes.
I was lambasted for adding 6 minutes in extra time for lads pissing about and winding down the clock, in a county final. Seems I was correct by the posts on here ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
The own goal line isn't the usual hunting ground of full forwards
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
Ref was definitely trying to get him off but he was in no hurry. Goalie too in no hurry with kick out. Think it took about 45 seconds for the kick out to happen between the no.1 and 14 messing. Looked like the ref just wanted it all to end as quick as possible. The actual Glenn play for the 45 took all of 5 or 6 seconds, and considering there was nearly a minute of play left when the 45 was awarded, leaving the 16 player issue aside, KC definitely exploited a weak referee on using the time clock to their advantage.
If you are a player on the winning side you'll wind down the clock, 3 minutes injury given and the ref did allow more time on top of that, you can't add time for slow kick outs, subs and injuries yes.
I was lambasted for adding 6 minutes in extra time for lads pissing about and winding down the clock, in a county final. Seems I was correct by the posts on here ;D
At least 3 minutes injury time to the discretion of referee. Just watched end back on TG4 player. About a minute left when 45 happened. Took 70 seconds to finally take it. Ball in play for 5 seconds. Took about 45 seconds for the ball to be kicked out. 20 seconds of that was trying to get the illegal player to go off. Ref then immediately blew time.
Under normal circumstances I can't imagine much of a problem with letting the kick out develop for half a minute or so. But that's besides the point. It "all happened so quickly" argument doesn't really add up in defence of referee or KC.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
If I remember right, No. 14 proceeded to go up the field as the ball was due to be kicked out, was it the ref informed him he was to go off?
Ref was definitely trying to get him off but he was in no hurry. Goalie too in no hurry with kick out. Think it took about 45 seconds for the kick out to happen between the no.1 and 14 messing. Looked like the ref just wanted it all to end as quick as possible. The actual Glenn play for the 45 took all of 5 or 6 seconds, and considering there was nearly a minute of play left when the 45 was awarded, leaving the 16 player issue aside, KC definitely exploited a weak referee on using the time clock to their advantage.
If you are a player on the winning side you'll wind down the clock, 3 minutes injury given and the ref did allow more time on top of that, you can't add time for slow kick outs, subs and injuries yes.
I was lambasted for adding 6 minutes in extra time for lads pissing about and winding down the clock, in a county final. Seems I was correct by the posts on here ;D
At least 3 minutes injury time to the discretion of referee. Just watched end back on TG4 player. About a minute left when 45 happened. Took 70 seconds to finally take it. Ball in play for 5 seconds. Took about 45 seconds for the ball to be kicked out. 20 seconds of that was trying to get the illegal player to go off. Ref then immediately blew time.
Under normal circumstances I can't imagine much of a problem with letting the kick out develop for half a minute or so. But that's besides the point. It "all happened so quickly" argument doesn't really add up in defence of referee or KC.
The core of the KC defence seems to be quite ropey ie ref's fault, everything happened so fast, chaos.
Everything could have been found out on Sunday evening. Surely all Ireland finals deserve the best compliance.
The GAA have to improve in this area. The current set up is arseways. I bet the FAI could do better
Scotstown pulling a Kilmacud, Big money signing
Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 10:49:31 AM
Off the ball. Very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbuR2TM0hRE&t=4200s
Gilroy would give you the shitts listening to him.
Has CCC handed out suspensions for Stewartstown lads? Would expect the Clifford brothers to be overturned.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
Has CCC handed out suspensions for Stewartstown lads? Would expect the Clifford brothers to be overturned.
David's red card was two yellows that were deserved, and no suspension, so nothing to appeal.
What competition would Paudie's suspension get served in anyway - Kerry intermediate 2023? Or at provincial level if Fossa win Kerry?
Fossa have 0 chance of winning Kerry intermediate anyway.
Quote from: blanketattack on January 31, 2023, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
Has CCC handed out suspensions for Stewartstown lads? Would expect the Clifford brothers to be overturned.
David's red card was two yellows that were deserved, and no suspension, so nothing to appeal.
What competition would Paudie's suspension get served in anyway - Kerry intermediate 2023? Or at provincial level if Fossa win Kerry?
Fossa have 0 chance of winning Kerry intermediate anyway.
Mentioned in the papers yesterday that Kilmacud Crokes were involved in the first ever DRA case. Mark Vaughan had been sent off in the game they were knocked out of in the Leinster championship (or AI semi or final - can't remember), so he was suspended for first round of Dublin championship the following year. Kilmacud said that was a different competition and he should serve his ban in the Leinster. DRA agreed with Crokes and allowed him to play in the Dublin championship.
All set for January 6/7 venues should be confirmed in the next few days.
Senior Semi finals
St Brigids (Roscommon) v Castlehaven (Cork)
Glen (Derry) v Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin)
Intermediate Semi finals
Castlerea (Roscommon) v Cill na Martra (Cork)
St Patrick's Cullyhanna (Armagh) v Allenwood (Kildare)
Junior semi finals
Lahardane MacHales (Mayo) v Listowel Emmets (Kerry)
Arva (Cavan) v Milltown (Kildare)
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 10, 2023, 05:52:41 PMAll set for January 6/7 venues should be confirmed in the next few days.
Senior Semi finals
St Brigids (Roscommon) v Castlehaven (Cork)
Glen (Derry) v Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin)
Intermediate Semi finals
Castlerea (Roscommon) v Cill na Martra (Cork)
St Patrick's Cullyhanna (Armagh) v Allenwood (Kildare)
Junior semi finals
Lahardane MacHales (Mayo) v Listowel Emmets (Kerry)
Arva (Cavan) v Milltown (Kildare)
Kilmacud, Cill Na Martra and Arva to win the 3 titles. All 3 are Division One teams in their own counties.
is there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
New Years Eve, Christ them lads allowed no break at all.?
Quote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
2 double headers on a 4g pitch this weekend then the 2 finals on Christmas Eve?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
The split season hasn't been fixed properly yethe. Clubs championships need to be streamlin ed. Finals should be early dec.
Just doing a bit of research and noticed that Clann na nGael of Roscommon lost 4 finals in a row, and 5 in total, in the 80s
Also notable that nemo played in 3 finals in a row; losing to crossmolina and Ballinderry, before getting revenge over crossmolina
Baltinglass winners in 1990 stood out too
Quote from: smort on December 12, 2023, 04:34:06 PMJust doing a bit of research and noticed that Clann na nGael of Roscommon lost 4 finals in a row, and 5 in total, in the 80s
Also notable that nemo played in 3 finals in a row; losing to crossmolina and Ballinderry, before getting revenge over crossmolina
Baltinglass winners in 1990 stood out too
Wicklow footballers one and only All Star Kevin O'Brien was on that team.
Senior All-Ireland semi finals set for Sunday, January 7th
St. Brigid's (Roscommon) v Castlehaven (Cork), Semple Stadium, Thurles, 13.45pm.
Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin) v Watty Grahan's Glen (Derry), Páirc Esler, Newry, 3.45pm.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2023, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
2 double headers on a 4g pitch this weekend then the 2 finals on Christmas Eve?
Croke Park double headers and play the finals in the first week of January giving all club players the opportunity to play for their counties in round 1 of the National football league.
Why, they not deserve a break or just flog them to death.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2023, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
2 double headers on a 4g pitch this weekend then the 2 finals on Christmas Eve?
Christmas eve?! Christ on a bus.
Football
Midnight mass
Santa
What's not to like. I'm in 🤣
Kilmacud and Glen semi final scheduled for Newry. Glen will really fancy their chances this time down in Newry.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 13, 2023, 06:30:24 AMQuote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2023, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
2 double headers on a 4g pitch this weekend then the 2 finals on Christmas Eve?
Christmas eve?! Christ on a bus.
It was a tongue in cheek response to the suggestion to play the semi-finals this weekend, not letting the provincial champions have a few weeks off.
Quote from: downtothecore on December 13, 2023, 07:59:02 AMKilmacud and Glen semi final scheduled for Newry. Glen will really fancy their chances this time down in Newry.
Do a decent marking job Shane Walsh and Glen should win.
Quote from: blanketattack on January 31, 2023, 05:08:28 PMQuote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 04:12:39 PMHas CCC handed out suspensions for Stewartstown lads? Would expect the Clifford brothers to be overturned.
David's red card was two yellows that were deserved, and no suspension, so nothing to appeal.
What competition would Paudie's suspension get served in anyway - Kerry intermediate 2023? Or at provincial level if Fossa win Kerry?
Fossa have 0 chance of winning Kerry intermediate anyway.
Could have been a classic!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2023, 02:41:17 AMNew Years Eve, Christ them lads allowed no break at all.?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
Championship structures have to be looked at, there's no reason why this whole thing couldn't be finished up at the end of November, other than that counties come up with increasingly convoluted ways of determining their champions.
There's plenty of time, it's just not used well. Majority of counties are finished with intercounty at the end of June, yet it's the end of October before they've finished their championship. GAA should simply decree that provincial championships start first week in October and that nominees will be required from each county.
Quote from: onefineday on December 17, 2023, 07:25:01 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2023, 02:41:17 AMNew Years Eve, Christ them lads allowed no break at all.?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
Championship structures have to be looked at, there's no reason why this whole thing couldn't be finished up at the end of November, other than that counties come up with increasingly convoluted ways of determining their champions.
There's plenty of time, it's just not used well. Majority of counties are finished with intercounty at the end of June, yet it's the end of October before they've finished their championship. GAA should simply decree that provincial championships start first week in October and that nominees will be required from each county.
Them Cavan boys would just nominate their 3 best teams and play thr championship after.
Most Clubs are finished their Championships by mid September.
About 8% get to play in Provincials and half those get 1 game.
I'd say the remaining 4% aren't too upset over playing games so late in the year.
It's not about percentages. By definition club all Ireland will always represent a small field percentage of clubs. It is about the load on county players.
Odds on Thomas/Brigid double ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 09:25:50 AMQuote from: onefineday on December 17, 2023, 07:25:01 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2023, 02:41:17 AMNew Years Eve, Christ them lads allowed no break at all.?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 12, 2023, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 07:31:08 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2023, 04:47:33 PMis there any reason the semi finals can not be played on the 30th/31st december
Yes. Common sense.
Common sense would be to finish the Ulster,Munster championships up sooner and have the All Ireland football semi final as two double headers with the Hurling semi finals this weekend.
Championship structures have to be looked at, there's no reason why this whole thing couldn't be finished up at the end of November, other than that counties come up with increasingly convoluted ways of determining their champions.
There's plenty of time, it's just not used well. Majority of counties are finished with intercounty at the end of June, yet it's the end of October before they've finished their championship. GAA should simply decree that provincial championships start first week in October and that nominees will be required from each county.
Them Cavan boys would just nominate their 3 best teams and play thr championship after.
Hoo boy, you are beyond rattled on Cavan finally having one decent club team for the first time in ages
The two senior semi finals live on TG4 this Sunday.
First up at 1:45pm St Brigids (Roscommon) v Castlehaven (Cork)
Brigids have scored 2-12 per game average and conceded 0-8. Castlehaven have scored 1-12 per game and conceded 1-9.
At 3.45pm Glen (Derry) v Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin)
Glen have scored 1-12 per game and conceded 0-10. Kilmacud Crokes have scored 1-15 per game and conceded 1-10
Live coverage of the Intermediate and Junior semi finals on TG4 youtube.
On Saturday 1pm
Allenwood (Kildare) v Cullyhanna (Armagh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiAgekbtbUI
Saturday at 2:30pm
Castlerea (Roscommon) v Cill na Martra (Cork) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RgyAAk0NIw
Saturday at 1pm Listowel (Kerry) v Lahardane (Mayo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VitQ8YYflc
Saturday at 1pm Arva (Cavan) v Milltown (Kildare) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36cg7itFGBw
Good to see these games not being played at Croke park only final should be played at croke park.
What sort of outfit are allenwood?
Quote from: statto on January 05, 2024, 11:22:39 PMWhat sort of outfit are allenwood?
Johnny Doyle still tipping away for them so bound to be decent. No bad sides at this level. Think Cullyhanna go in as slight favourites though. Best of luck to them it's not too often and Armagh team gets this far.
Can the Arva fairytale continue?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 12:25:52 AMCan the Arva fairytale continue?
Their average scoring is something like 0-19 for and 0-6 against so I'd say so.
Best of luck to Castlerea today and Brigids tomorrow.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 12:23:09 AMQuote from: statto on January 05, 2024, 11:22:39 PMWhat sort of outfit are allenwood?
Johnny Doyle still tipping away for them so bound to be decent. No bad sides at this level. Think Cullyhanna go in as slight favourites though. Best of luck to them it's not too often and Armagh team gets this far.
Not sure whether to view that as a positive or a negative for them. If I'm a Cullyhanna midfielder I'd be more than happy to see a 45 year old lining out in midfield for the opposition no matter how good he was 15 years ago.
I think Cullyhanna are expected to win today but may face a stiff test against the Cork team in the final.
Odds on the semi finals.
Senior
St Brigids 4/5 Castlehaven 6/4
Kilmacud Crokes 8/11 Glenn 13/8
Intermediate
St Patrick's Cullyhanna 1/7 Allenwood 5/1
Castlerea 16/5 Cill na Martra 1/4
Junior
Arva 1/6 Milltown 9/2
Listowel 1/9 Lahardane 6/1
Goal chance butchered by Cullyhanna in the first 10 seconds..
Wondering where they got the 1/7 odds tbh.
Navan pitch looks in great nick
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 12:25:52 AMCan the Arva fairytale continue?
Going well anyway so probably.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 06, 2024, 01:24:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 12:25:52 AMCan the Arva fairytale continue?
Going well anyway so probably.
What a story! The mighty Arva..coming from the depths of Div 1 to win the Ulster junior championship... gaa will be doing a documentary on this fairytale
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 06, 2024, 01:26:06 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on January 06, 2024, 01:24:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 12:25:52 AMCan the Arva fairytale continue?
Going well anyway so probably.
What a story! The mighty Arva..coming from the depths of Div 1 to win the Ulster junior championship... gaa will be doing a documentary on this fairytale
What's the obsession with League with a Championship here?
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 01:27:26 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 06, 2024, 01:26:06 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on January 06, 2024, 01:24:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 12:25:52 AMCan the Arva fairytale continue?
Going well anyway so probably.
What a story! The mighty Arva..coming from the depths of Div 1 to win the Ulster junior championship... gaa will be doing a documentary on this fairytale
What's the obsession with League with a Championship here?
Exactly the title says Championship.
Cullies not playing great but should have had 2 goals, not sure if there is any advantages today in Navan, wind? Shooting goals?
Junior semis very predictable so far.
That's the way to start the second half, good goal by Ross McQuillan.
Milltown came back into this, but Arva stretching things out a bit again
Well done Cullyhanna, just about deserved the win.
Great to see Arva a very small club hemmed in on the Leitrim Longofrd Border do so well on the national stage. Fantastic win for them against a strong Kildare side.
Good win for Cullyhanna also but we all know they shouldnt be an intermediate club.
How and ever it is what it is and best of luck to both teams in the finals.
Great weather for a game in January and a good result for the Lower Creggan team.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 06, 2024, 02:24:06 PMGreat to see Arva a very small club hemmed in on the Leitrim Longofrd Border do so well on the national stage. Fantastic win for them against a strong Kildare side.
Good win for Cullyhanna also but we all know they shouldnt be an intermediate club.
How and ever it is what it is and best of luck to both teams in the finals.
Square those first two statements for me please.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 06, 2024, 12:02:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 12:23:09 AMQuote from: statto on January 05, 2024, 11:22:39 PMWhat sort of outfit are allenwood?
Johnny Doyle still tipping away for them so bound to be decent. No bad sides at this level. Think Cullyhanna go in as slight favourites though. Best of luck to them it's not too often and Armagh team gets this far.
Not sure whether to view that as a positive or a negative for them. If I'm a Cullyhanna midfielder I'd be more than happy to see a 45 year old lining out in midfield for the opposition no matter how good he was 15 years ago.
I think Cullyhanna are expected to win today but may face a stiff test against the Cork team in the final.
He's still a class act. Well done Cullyhanna, good game but they deserved the win and best of luck in final.
Please don't tell me the Cavan lads are going to start again about league and championship lol.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 06, 2024, 02:24:06 PMGreat to see Arva a very small club hemmed in on the Leitrim Longofrd Border do so well on the national stage. Fantastic win for them against a strong Kildare side.
Good win for Cullyhanna also but we all know they shouldnt be an intermediate club.
How and ever it is what it is and best of luck to both teams in the finals.
Cullyhanna were division 3 in Armagh this year. That's intermediate. What more is there to say
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 02:34:11 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 06, 2024, 12:02:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 12:23:09 AMQuote from: statto on January 05, 2024, 11:22:39 PMWhat sort of outfit are allenwood?
Johnny Doyle still tipping away for them so bound to be decent. No bad sides at this level. Think Cullyhanna go in as slight favourites though. Best of luck to them it's not too often and Armagh team gets this far.
Not sure whether to view that as a positive or a negative for them. If I'm a Cullyhanna midfielder I'd be more than happy to see a 45 year old lining out in midfield for the opposition no matter how good he was 15 years ago.
I think Cullyhanna are expected to win today but may face a stiff test against the Cork team in the final.
He's still a class act. Well done Cullyhanna, good game but they deserved the win and best of luck in final.
Please don't tell me the Cavan lads are going to start again about league and championship lol.
Uh the Cavan lads aren't the ones obsessed with this
Congratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Quote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
In the 2nd of the Intermediate semi finals Half time Castlerea 0-6 Cill na Martra 0-6. The Cork champions didn't make good use of the extra man when Castlerea went down to 14 on 20 mins with a black.
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Cill na Martra with 2 goals in a minute. Now 2-08 to 0-09, that minute may prove decisive.
Turning point in this match with two goals in a minute for Cill na Martra at a stage that Castlerea was on top and leading 0-9 to 0-8
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Castlerea 0-15 Cill na Martra 2-10. The Cork champions just about edge themselves into the AI final.
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
See bolded lol. It is what it is.
Fine achievement for Cullyhanna, they were relegated to intermediate since they weren't good enough for the last 2 seasons, it definitely wasn't by design. However having regrouped and had a great season and in the absence of any outstadning team at senior level, they are more than capable of competing to win a senior championship next season if they can bring this momentum through. Particularly if they go on and win an AI title now.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 06, 2024, 04:42:48 PMFine achievement for Cullyhanna, they were relegated to intermediate since they weren't good enough for the last 2 seasons, it definitely wasn't by design. However having regrouped and had a great season and in the absence of any outstadning team at senior level, they are more than capable of competing to win a senior championship next season if they can bring this momentum through. Particularly if they go on and win an AI title now.
Yeah if they keep this group of lads together they wouldn't be too far off Cross who were well ahead in Armagh this year.
Tough enough going though to get back for league campaign which will probably start towards late March, especially without the 3 county lads plus I'd be surprised if there wasn't another couple of lads from that squad getting phone calls from Geezer. Would think the all ireland will be Barry McConvilles last game for them. Wouldn't be a big shock to see them get it tight in 1B for the first few games.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 04:53:49 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this
You are as bad as them for continously biting.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 06, 2024, 05:04:37 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 04:53:49 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this
You are as bad as them for continously biting.
Would you let Galway, mayo, Monaghan etc play Tailteann cup?
Dublin, cork, Waterford play Christy ring?
We all know they are not linked etc. but this is exactly what happened.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 04:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
See bolded lol. It is what it is.
Indeed.. I've retired ;D
Still f**king moaning about Arva ya little bitches
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 06, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on January 06, 2024, 05:04:37 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 04:53:49 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this
You are as bad as them for continously biting.
Would you let Galway, mayo, Monaghan etc play Tailteann cup?
Dublin, cork, Waterford play Christy ring?
We all know they are not linked etc. but this is exactly what happened.
If Galway, Mayo or Monaghan got relegated to the bottom 16 on league standing and then didn't make a provincial final, they would play Tailteann. It's not a case of being "let" do anything.
Fair play to Arva, what a wonderful journey for a small club to be on. Listowel will be a different animal to what they've faced so far.
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 04:53:49 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.
Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on
Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this
"Two things are infinite," Albert Einstein said. "The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe."
Arva always reminds me of Bradys and there was a Brady playing.
Best of luck to Arva in the final. Hon Cavan.
Game might be at risk today. Freezing fog in Newry this morning. I'm sure there will be a pitch inspection at some stage this morning
Game is later in afternoon, I'd say if it was the early game possibly but ground should be grand.
Crokes to win this by 3 points, they look better than last year, Glen are better for McFaul but just feel this could get ugly.
No love lost here, plenty cards and a sending off
If this game was a final in Croke Park I would fancy Kilmacud. They are road tested and have more quality up front than any other team left in the competition. However I think Glen have a decent chance today playing on a winter pitch in an Ulster ground with a chip on their shoulder from last season. That said they will have to produce a display better than we have seen from them in the Ulster championship this season to date. I think they might edge it but a lot will depend on the display of Glass who needs a big game.
In the other semi final I fancy St Brigids to beat Castlehaven. They impressed against Corofin in the Connacht final and if Glen can take Kilmacud out today, I think they would have a very good chance of going all the way as they have a few good forwards that should suit Croke Park.
Quote from: Nanderson on January 07, 2024, 09:38:36 AMGame might be at risk today. Freezing fog in Newry this morning. I'm sure there will be a pitch inspection at some stage this morning
Massive advantage for the Crokes if it's foggy; they'll be able to play as many as they want and it will be impossible to count them.
Best of luck to Wattys.
Fág an bealach.
https://youtu.be/V6zqPAQeF4E&t=96s
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2024, 10:11:43 AMGame is later in afternoon, I'd say if it was the early game possibly but ground should be grand.
Crokes to win this by 3 points, they look better than last year, Glen are better for McFaul but just feel this could get ugly.
No love lost here, plenty cards and a sending off
Crokes have a forward unit any county in the land would want, Glen stronger in defence and midfield I think... Will be a serious battle, glad it's not being played in CP
Newry looks very touch and go judging by the TG4 pictures. Maybe it looks worse on tv. Very subjective decision for a ref to make.
MR2 is there a rule of thumb with fog?
Damian O'Meara from RTE tweeting that the fog is lifting in the last 5 minutes and visibility and pitch is now pretty good.
One half of The pitch in Thurles looks frozen hopefully no injuries on it.
Naomh Brid abu
Connacht club football can be divided into 2 phases. Pre 1997 and post 1997.
Corofin won the first club all Ireland in 1998 and opened the door to other Connacht teams.
from Roscommon, Clann heartbreakingly lost multiple club finals in the 80s but neighbours St Brigids won the great prize in 2013 and they could win it again this year. There is nothing like a winning tradition.
Do o neills make orange balls
Great goal for the Rossies
Surely should have been a free out for over carrying instead of a goal?
St Brigids in control in the opening 15 minutes. Castlehaven 0-2 St Brigids 1-4
Game in Newry will be called off by 245pm at this rate. Zero visibility in Newry, I just walked past the pitch.
When did the GAA introduce the rule that umpire signal a 45 by doing a Heil Hitler salute rather than just putting their hand in the air?
Quote from: 5times5times on January 07, 2024, 02:07:44 PMGame in Newry will be called off by 245pm at this rate. Zero visibility in Newry, I just walked past the pitch.
Hard to believe that the game in Thurles is being played either with half the pitch frozen. It must look worse on TV.
Half time St Brigids 1-7 Castlehaven 0-6. On the balance of play four point margin probably about right.
Full value alright.
Hope those 2 late points don't come back to haunt Bridgets though.
St Brigids are a better footballing side but Castlehaven have a few big strong athletic lads around the middle and Hurley is a handful inside. Decent first half to watch.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 07, 2024, 02:26:18 PMFull value alright.
Hope those 2 late points don't come back to haunt Bridgets though.
They are more efficient than Castlehaven and they have a better defence.
They are impressive going forward.
Castlehaven the bigger side in the opening 15 minutes of this 2nd half. Big goal chance off the crossbar. Brigids still lead 1-7 to 0-8
Five minutes to play St Brigids 1-9 Castlehaven 0-10
All over Brigids into their 3rd All Ireland. St Brigids 1-11 Castlehaven 0-10 A in added time penalty pop over the bar instead of going for goal.
The St. Brigids lads seem to go down a bit too easy.
Very clinically closed out from St. Brigid's.
Castlehaven left that game behind them.
Assuming it's not being called off at this point but Christ that looks awful to play in. The soft southside goys won't like it at all.
St Brigids had a good semi. Won but not impressively with 20 minutes without scoring. They can work on a few things and won't get the media attention in the run up to the final
I think mist and fog always looks far worse in TV and pics than live.
The fog will be a lot worse for spectators than the players. Most players only require about 20 metres of vision now anyway given the solo/hand pass nature of the game!
Not many Kilmacud fans in the ground, i feel as though the soft southsiders might be up against it today out of their comfort zone.
Least the lack of wipers for the cameras shouldn't be an issue today 😜
Hon Glennnnnnnn
Misty Newry or the traditional Sunday trip to Avoca for bubbles and caviar? An easy choice for most of them.
Can't see the goalposts, this going be some Craig.
Castlehaven didn't find their feet for 20 minutes and ran out of time. Wouldn't have liked to been on the end of some of their tackles either!
The fog in Newry isn't as bad as camera shows I think. God help the umpires
G can't see any action down at the right side goals.
Left side even worse
That match should not have been played... Jesus Christ
Arsenal vs Liverpool it is, can see f**k off all of this.. Hopefully it's not as bad in person
We'd an under 12 game across Newry this lunchtime. On field clear visibility maybe 60m, partial visibility maybe 80m.
Farcical but tg4 didn't make the fog. Bound to be better in person
We may just focus on the commentary 😆
Seriously, how that game go ahead. GAA to worried about the fixture list and not players!
The radio I doubt see any more than us.
Worse on TV obviously but Christ I wouldn't want to be an umpire today.
Few ropey passes already and hard to know if c**k-ups or lads unable to see
Tg4 very innovative with the first live-action spot the ball competition.
Perfect day for off-the-ball shenanigans
Quote from: HiMucker on January 07, 2024, 03:29:14 PMI think mist and fog always looks far worse in TV and pics than live.
Looks brave and bad here.
Would hate to be watching it on tv.
You could have 16 men on the field today and wouldn't be pulled up for it
Them 2 bottom corners is lethal, you see nothing on TV.Glen can't hold onto the ball.
That fog drops any more later in the game, it be abandoned. Somebody just handpassed the ball over the line. You couldn't even see the line
Tg4 delighted when play comes down this near wing
Shane Walsh is some player
Looking already like this might come down to who makes the fewest mistakes in the conditions. Quite a few bad ones from Glen already.
That's a red
I think it'll be easier viewing second half when the sun is away
G that's a red card. Jaw breaker there.. Not even a effort to keep the elbow down. No excuse from the ref , was less than 10m away looking at it.
Yellow card, is a cop out there.
Elbow makes contact with the chin there - be lucky if he avoids a red
That should have been a red card.
Nasty smack there. Very lucky to just get yellow.
I've moved down beside the scoreboard, so at least I'll know that much.
Dirty baxtard led with the forearm too, knew what he was at. Very lucky
Jesus, red all day long
Kilmacud no. 23 a lucky boy. Should have been red.
That player is a liability anyways, he'll get subbed soon
Clearest red you'd ever see in spite of the fog.
Should've been red for sure there
The Glen goalkeeper comes out way to far
Point is ref has a clean view less than 10m away. He can't say he was unsighted, looked very deliberate.Doherty off and ref didnt even check the condition of the player bedore issuing a card. It the obvious things the ref don't make decisions on, is very annoying.
Quote from: clarshack on January 07, 2024, 04:10:00 PMKilmacud no. 23 a lucky boy. Should have been red.
Yeah, that was a foreman smash. Red card.
That was pure dirt!
That last 30s who knows what was going on
Hard to see what's going on here.
Quote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:09:50 PMJesus, red all day long
Elbow to the head, a yellow card.
An incompetent referee who over the years seems to enjoy his power and often putting his fingers to his lips seemingly telling players to stop talking, rather than making critical decisions
Quote from: joemamas on January 07, 2024, 04:16:11 PMQuote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:09:50 PMJesus, red all day long
Elbow to the head, a yellow card.
An incompetent referee who over the years seems to enjoy his power and often putting his fingers to his lips seemingly telling players to stop talking, rather than making critical decisions
He's a guard so what do you expect
Kilmacud probably playing with 20 in this fog. 8)
Glen have been much the better side, getting worse here.
Red all day, and did he kick out with the foot on the way down? Ref right in front of it, no idea how he missed it
Delibrate elbow/forearm smash to the head is not a yellow card@
Games over. Glen will win this handy by 4/5
Quote from: joemamas on January 07, 2024, 04:16:11 PMQuote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:09:50 PMJesus, red all day long
Elbow to the head, a yellow card.
An incompetent referee who over the years seems to enjoy his power and often putting his fingers to his lips seemingly telling players to stop talking, rather than making critical decisions
Red card and he's lapped that one the other part of your post? WTF
Maybe he's telling players to keep quiet?
And now because he's a cop it's normal ;D
Glen not far off a county side based on this display.
Going to plan for Glen so far leading by 5 points and have held a good scoring team to a low score.
Glen were excellent for most of that half well worth the 5 point lead.
Kilmacud will have to come out to play in the second half!
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 07, 2024, 04:18:30 PMRed all day, and did he kick out with the foot on the way down? Ref right in front of it, no idea how he missed it
Definitely red card.
Glen much the better side so far from what you can see through the fog.
Cmon the watties
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 04:21:41 PMGlen not far off a county side based on this display.
Kilmacud are poor. Scotstown would be in the same position too
Kilmacud 2nd best all over the pitch in that half. Be very surprised if Glen don't see this out.
Very impressive, scoring 9 points in the first half at this level is some going
Super from Glen just before half time too. Love to see Glass forward in these scoring positions.
It mustn't be too bad in the ground. Could hear the crowd cheering that point from McFaul as soon as it left his boot.
Kilmacud management try to put pressure on the ref at half time to get an abandonment?
Glen much the better side so far, and should be a man up too.
5 pts is a big lead in this sort of game and they'll keep the score ticking themselves, Glen should have the game won if they don't concede a goal
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 07, 2024, 04:17:57 PMKilmacud probably playing with 20 in this fog. 8)
;D ;D
Game over at h/t. Kilmacud don't want to know. Hand the trophy over to Glen now.
I was only taking the piss earlier but Kilmacud don't look up for it at all. Glen have sorted out the sloppiness from earlier, could be even further in front.
Have seen a few photos from the ground. Absolutely nowhere near as bad as on TV but still don't think it should have gone ahead. Conditions the same for both teams of course.
Quote from: clarshack on January 07, 2024, 04:26:48 PMGame over at h/t. Kilmacud don't want to know. Hand the trophy over to Glen now.
If St Brid's play as well in the second half as they did in the first half they'll give Glen all the want.
McFaul is on a mission btw
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2024, 04:20:31 PMQuote from: joemamas on January 07, 2024, 04:16:11 PMQuote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:09:50 PMJesus, red all day long
Elbow to the head, a yellow card.
An incompetent referee who over the years seems to enjoy his power and often putting his fingers to his lips seemingly telling players to stop talking, rather than making critical decisions
Red card and he's lapped that one the other part of your post? WTF
Maybe he's telling players to keep quiet?
And now because he's a cop it's normal ;D
I did not know nor comment on what he does for a living.
I was alluding to how annoying it has to be as an adult player to have an official do that.
you might consider doing it to an under 8 or 10 player.
Hard to know how well Glen are playing, 80% of the scores you can't see going over the bar and both bottom corners is zero visibility.
Practically the entire ground is supporting Glen here, it's a big advantage for them and Kilmacud look rattled, they have no answer so far and their body language is that of a beaten side. Glen just need to keep the screw turned in this next quarter and they should win this.
Glen will win this handy. Crokes struggling badly.Glen priority should be no red cards for the final. Sheehy should have got the line for Crokes.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 04:31:23 PMHard to know how well Glen are playing, 80% of the scores you can't see going over the bar and both bottom corners is zero visibility.
They're absolutely destroying KC up the middle.
Rory O'Carroll has fouled for 4 Glen Points today.
Glen totally domimating midfield,Mannion and Walsh starved of possession. McFaul a huge asset.
If Kilmacud lose Rory O'Carroll won't be able to put anything down to the cold, because he's getting absolutely roasted.
Fog got worse,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 04:39:20 PMFog got worse,
I think it's the floodlights making more of a glare on it
Glen basically a county Midfield.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2024, 04:28:34 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 07, 2024, 04:26:48 PMGame over at h/t. Kilmacud don't want to know. Hand the trophy over to Glen now.
If St Brid's play as well in the second half as they did in the first half they'll give Glen all the want.
McFaul is on a mission btw
Disgrace of a man
Crokes will need to spend heavily in the next transfer window.
Had been there last year Glen would have won the final.
Biggest danger to Glen is game being stopped
Crokes should throw on a couple of extra men. Sure who would know in that fog?
Somebody tell the teams, think of the supporters and play down the camera side.
Quote from: joemamas on January 07, 2024, 04:31:04 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2024, 04:20:31 PMQuote from: joemamas on January 07, 2024, 04:16:11 PMQuote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:09:50 PMJesus, red all day long
Elbow to the head, a yellow card.
An incompetent referee who over the years seems to enjoy his power and often putting his fingers to his lips seemingly telling players to stop talking, rather than making critical decisions
Red card and he's lapped that one the other part of your post? WTF
Maybe he's telling players to keep quiet?
And now because he's a cop it's normal ;D
I did not know nor comment on what he does for a living.
I was alluding to how annoying it has to be as an adult player to have an official do that.
you might consider doing it to an under 8 or 10 player.
He's probably doing it because the adults are gurning about a call against them, instead of getting on with the game?
Maybe if the adults stopped acting like kids then he'd not do it
Could TG4 switch to the behind the goal camera when the play is up there instead of sticking with the foggy one
Only the best teams win back to back all Irelands.
Wattys had a year to get ready for this match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTpxHxtJ6z4
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 07, 2024, 04:41:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2024, 04:28:34 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 07, 2024, 04:26:48 PMGame over at h/t. Kilmacud don't want to know. Hand the trophy over to Glen now.
If St Brid's play as well in the second half as they did in the first half they'll give Glen all the want.
McFaul is on a mission btw
Disgrace of a man
I doubt very much you'll say that to his face
Can't See Shit, Captain!
Crokes have totally ignored McFaul and Mulholland, who have been man marked most games in Ulster.
The only thing more frustrating today than the ball going into the canal corner, is the volume of people who think they're the first one to come up with the "Kilmacud could hide an extra man or two on there today" joke.
Quote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:46:39 PMCould TG4 switch to the behind the goal camera when the play is up there instead of sticking with the foggy one
Good call
Good luck to anyone trying to pick a MOTM today or write a report on this match. Shame because Glen would appear to have produced a power packed display.
Crokes do some amount of fouling.
Quote from: An Watcher on January 07, 2024, 04:46:39 PMCould TG4 switch to the behind the goal camera when the play is up there instead of sticking with the foggy one
Musta heard me
Kilmacud on top the last 5-7 minutes and not not much return for it. Glen just need to make sure they don't change the way they were playing and they have this as good as won.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 04:52:58 PMCrokes do some amount of fouling.
That is how they play against everyone and anyone.
Has been a near perfect 45 mins for Glen, Some will say Crokes are playing well but simply aren't allowed.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 04:50:23 PMThe only thing more frustrating today than the ball going into the canal corner, is the volume of people who think they're the first one to come up with the "Kilmacud could hide an extra man or two on there today" joke.
;D.. My WhatsApp is riddled with these lines too
Crokes offering no goal threat today.
Squeaky bum time. Glen need scores here to stop this momentum.
Just don't panic. Should have been a score at the far end but overcomplicated it and suddenly gap is down to 4.
Kc fouling all over the place and mostly getting away with it.
Glen could do with 2 or 3 more points here. Not over yet.
Glen gone into their shell, need a score to settle them.
Glen carrying the ball into the tackle too much. They'll be sore if they lose this.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2024, 04:58:12 PMKc fouling all over the place and mostly getting away with it.
Glen could do with 2 or 3 more points here. Not over yet.
Eh? Can't be. Multiple posters said the game was over at 40 odd mins
Glen slacked off allowing Crokes back into it.
Kc pushing up now, getting nervy for Glen.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2024, 04:59:31 PMGlen gone into their shell, need a score to settle them.
Been overdoing everything. Lads 30 yards from goal trying to take on 4/5 opponents rather than moving the ball.
Crokes have taken control for last 10/12 minutes. They have momentum, this will go to the wire
Glen will never forgive themselves if they throw this away. 3 pts still a good lead on a day like today, but it's getting more nervy for them than it should have been and that lead could erode fast. Need a point to stem the tide a bit.
Edit : Jaysus Glen need to compose themselves and get a score fast
Level 6 mins left
What a pass
Ball watching!
Level.
Momentum changer.
I presume that was a terrific ball from Walsh
Wow.
Glen now look like a minor team against seniors.
What a turnaround
incredible Crokes are level some pass by Shane Walsh. Glen back in front with the next attack.
Did he definitely mean the pass?? I *think* he did?
Game on!
If Glen buried that then it'd have really killed the Crokes momentum and spirit. A badly needed score but this is still going to the wire
Oh, how did he not bury that in the net
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2024, 05:02:45 PMDid he definitely mean the pass?? I *think* he did?
I think he did as from there he could have tapped it over
Losing these long kickouts is killing Glen!
Glen architects of their own downfall if they don't win this, gone way too defensive trying to see the game out.
Think the match should be replayed if drawn at full time
Level again 1-10 to 0-13 with 2 minutes and whatever added time to play.
Glen midfield gone out of this
Seemed to have fell apart since Dougan went off!
Glass getting destroyed at the min
I barely have a word of Irish but Mark Harte reckons every score Crooked have got in the second half have been inspirational. Some crackers in fairness.
Christ Glen are really trying their best to f**k this in the bin.
Glen back in front from pointed free. 2 minutes of added time to play. A goal for Glen that seals it a real mix up by Crokes.
Maybe spoke to soon a goal for Crokes.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2024, 05:07:00 PMGlass getting destroyed at the min
Looks leggy. Got turned twice awful easy that last time
Has to be it now!
No way !
What an ending
It's the break down they loosing at midfield as there no clear catches. Ball in the net, somebody must made a bollacks of that.
Sweet jaysus
G there 3 men in the square
This is madness
Jesus!
I barely know what is going on any more here
Wow!!
Class game lads
Last goal shouldn't counted!
Where's the goalie?
Should move this over to the WTF thread
More fog please!
Thank god for that!
They nearly threw it away
Thank god that's over
Right , everybody to friar tucks! ...... If you can find it in the fog
Dougan the fullback hadn't went off, the 2 goals never have happened.
More endings to that game than "The Ususal Suspects".
Jaysus what a mad ending. Glen very lucky in the end tbh, to get that gift of a goal when the keeper was nowhere to be found, and then for Crokes not to get one last chance at the end to win that kickout and find an equaliser. Brutal 2nd goal to concede too
Still, Glen fully deserve to win on the balance of the whole game, but jaysus they made things difficult for themselves
I'm off for a lie-down.
Glen back into the final. For 45 minutes it was near perfect performance from them Crokes the defending champions didn't go down without a fight.
I thought the keeper took a full 30s to kick out the last ball, surely he should've given another 30s of play there.
That was an all time classic.
I think.
It's either over or there's a wile row on the pitch
Fair play Glen. I think 🤣
Turned into the thriller we were all hoping for but Christ almighty Glen almost deserved to lose that for some of the decision making. Absolutely dominant all over the pitch and switched to a completely defensive set-up with 25 minutes left.
Mansion and Walsh (to an extent) showed their class in the second half, but honestly Kilmacud looked very poor for most of that.
Kilmacud may get the cheque book out again.
Well done Glen.
How is warnock not on the Derry team?
Ethan Doherty very good there too. For me glass good footballer but not aggressive or forceful enough.
You feel a bit for Walsh hitting that wide after all he did. Some operator.
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 05:14:04 PMTurned into the thriller we were all hoping for but Christ almighty Glen almost deserved to lose that for some of the decision making. Absolutely dominant all over the pitch and switched to a completely defensive set-up with 25 minutes left.
Mansion and Walsh (to an extent) showed their class in the second half, but honestly Kilmacud looked very poor for most of that.
Very difficult to make out with the fog but was O'Caroll moving to midfield not the main change in the game? Glen kept kicking to that channel but couldn't win one.
No point in Brigids turning up.
Do well to keep it under 10 points.
Good win in the end for Glen, they showed character when the game turned against them. Prior to that they tried their best to lose as they went into their shell. Glass immense again from what I could make out.
Well done to both teams in crappy conditions.
Thank God Glen did not blow it.
I was having my worst Mayo nightmares for the last ten minutes.
Quote from: mup on January 07, 2024, 05:14:22 PMKilmacud may get the cheque book out again.
Well done Glen.
Almost as good as the Kilmacud playing extra players gags
Super contest, the final will be a fair battle too I'd say, Brigids going well.
Why no goal?.The Crokes No.2 came from behind Glass to contest the ball, he was in the square before the ball was kicked in.Didnt touch the ball,but is putting the keeper off.
Bronagh must be delighted
https://twitter.com/Doiregaa/status/1611045021662466050
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2024, 05:15:36 PMHow is warnock not on the Derry team?
Ethan Doherty very good there too. For me glass good footballer but not aggressive or forceful enough.
You feel a bit for Walsh hitting that wide after all he did. Some operator.
Based on that interview, Warnock would be a better pundit than just about anyone on the current RTE slate.
Very good, and respectful, talker.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2024, 05:16:36 PMGood win in the end for Glen, they showed character when the game turned against them. Prior to that they tried their best to lose as they went into their shell. Glass immense again from what I could make out.
Not sure it was down to Glen's character to be honest. Their goal came from Kilmacud fuckery of the sort they'd been guilty of the previous 20 minutes and then they immediately conceded again.
Would have been a travesty if they'd lost because they were comfortably the better team all over the pitch for most of the match.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2024, 05:15:36 PMHow is warnock not on the Derry team?
Ethan Doherty very good there too. For me glass good footballer but not aggressive or forceful enough.
You feel a bit for Walsh hitting that wide after all he did. Some operator.
Doherty was guilty of some of the messing earlier in the half. They must have been turned over about 5/6 times in the second half within 30 yards of the Crokes goal through messing or mistakes.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 05:15:54 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 05:14:04 PMTurned into the thriller we were all hoping for but Christ almighty Glen almost deserved to lose that for some of the decision making. Absolutely dominant all over the pitch and switched to a completely defensive set-up with 25 minutes left.
Mansion and Walsh (to an extent) showed their class in the second half, but honestly Kilmacud looked very poor for most of that.
Very difficult to make out with the fog but was O'Caroll moving to midfield not the main change in the game? Glen kept kicking to that channel but couldn't win one.
I don't think so. Glen sat back and started playing way more of the game around their full and half back lines.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 07, 2024, 05:16:28 PMNo point in Brigids turning up.
Do well to keep it under 10 points.
Perfect for the Rossies. Would you shtop.
2 very good teams. Should be a cracking final.
Brigids have the inspiration of 2013 to mine.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2024, 05:21:26 PMVery good, and respectful, talker.
Yep came across really well
Delighted for Glen. Deserved winners. Lane needs to go back to ref school.
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 05:23:30 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2024, 05:16:36 PMGood win in the end for Glen, they showed character when the game turned against them. Prior to that they tried their best to lose as they went into their shell. Glass immense again from what I could make out.
Not sure it was down to Glen's character to be honest. Their goal came from Kilmacud fuckery of the sort they'd been guilty of the previous 20 minutes and then they immediately conceded again.
Would have been a travesty if they'd lost because they were comfortably the better team all over the pitch for most of the match.
That's probably fair comment. If you took Walsh out of Kilmacud today they probably would have been comfortably beaten.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2024, 05:28:59 PMThat's probably fair comment. If you took Walsh out of Kilmacud today they probably would have been comfortably beaten.
Mannion too. They seemed happy to sit back and challenge Crokes to shoot from distance and Mannion happily obliged. Once the deficit starts coming down everyone starts tightening up and a goal becomes even more transformative, which is exactly what happened. Crokes should never have been within an ass's roar of them.
Still, semi-finals are for winning and result is all that matters. Glen will deservedly start as favourites and should win handily if they play to their potential for 60 minutes. Anything else and St. Brigid's are more than good enough to challenge them.
Afaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Warnock did play for Derry in the McKenna Cup, I remember him 10yrs ago At wing forward and a few sub appearances.Then he disappeared, he was Probably 20/21 and very light and needed a few years to fill out, but was never back.Hes 31 now and I presume Gallagher had asked him.Harte asked him but I think he declined.pity, he be a addition.
Quote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Let's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Further proof about getting Dublin teams out of their familiar surroundings of Croke park
Congrats to Glen
Quote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Brigids are 3/1
Tasty
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games
Quote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Just googled it there and the surname Warnock either originated from Lanarkshire in Scotland or is an anglicized version of the gaelic surname Mac Ghiolla Mhearnog. So could be either.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie is South African
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:05:57 PMQuote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Mac Giolla Mhearnóg. Probably has planter origins, if you're allowed to say use that terms.
A few Warnock families about Maghera.
Absolute farce of a match, from the terrace you could only see half the pitch, you could only tell that anyone was sitting in the stand opposite by the noise after a score. Obviously was the same for the players. Player and spectator welfare went out the window in order to get the match played. 20euro in to see very little.
If Glen win the AI would I be correct in asssuming that it will be the 3rd successive year that the team who has won it were the team who were runners up the year before?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 07, 2024, 06:13:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:05:57 PMQuote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Mac Giolla Mhearnóg. Probably has planter origins, if you're allowed to say use that terms.
A few Warnock families about Maghera.
There was a Stephen Warnock who played for Liverpool, I think. Unusual name.
Is Glass also a "planter" name? Have never come across it down south.
Nothing unusual about it.
Quote from: LC on January 07, 2024, 06:32:51 PMIf Glen win the AI would I be correct in asssuming that it will be the 3rd successive year that the team who has won it were the team who were runners up the year before?
Kilcoo beat by Corofin won it next year beating KC, KC won it the following year beating Glen who are now in final so yes.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Foxtrot Oscar
A lot of people seem to have handed the trophy to Glen already. It's a dangerous game for them though as St Brigids produced enough against Corofin and in the first today to indicate that they have the footballers to win it. They probably have more scoring threat up front than Glen but equally they could get overpowered around the middle third where most of Glens players are positioned.
Both Malachy O'Rourke and Derry teams don't traditionally have a great record in Croke Park which will also sow a bit of doubt in their minds.
I expect Glen to win it now but I don't think it will be as easy as some people expect.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 07, 2024, 06:53:38 PMQuote from: LC on January 07, 2024, 06:32:51 PMIf Glen win the AI would I be correct in asssuming that it will be the 3rd successive year that the team who has won it were the team who were runners up the year before?
Kilcoo beat by Corofin won it next year beating KC, KC won it the following year beating Glen who are now in final so yes.
The you've gotta lose one to win brigade will have a field day if so 😜😜
If doherty and Dougan out for final that's 2 big players for Glen...
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie. You must be listening too much to Ah Ref on X.
The one thing about Brigids, the Kiltoom club always do their talking on the pitch. Young team but they have football in them.
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 07, 2024, 06:24:52 PMAbsolute farce of a match, from the terrace you could only see half the pitch, you could only tell that anyone was sitting in the stand opposite by the noise after a score. Obviously was the same for the players. Player and spectator welfare went out the window in order to get the match played. 20euro in to see very little.
Good grief. The GAA is obsessed with games going ahead.
Quote from: Sportacus on January 07, 2024, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on January 07, 2024, 06:24:52 PMAbsolute farce of a match, from the terrace you could only see half the pitch, you could only tell that anyone was sitting in the stand opposite by the noise after a score. Obviously was the same for the players. Player and spectator welfare went out the window in order to get the match played. 20euro in to see very little.
Good grief. The GAA is obsessed with games going ahead.
Warnock said in his post match interview that Walsh said to him he couldn't see the ball. Farcical and shouldn't have went ahead
It was a hell of a game for a "farce".
Give me that football in 65% visibility over nearly any club game I watched this summer, every time.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 07, 2024, 06:13:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:05:57 PMQuote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Mac Giolla Mhearnóg. Probably has planter origins, if you're allowed to say use that terms.
A few Warnock families about Maghera.
Didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. I like to see people of all origins play GAA.
Just find it an interesting topic: most teams across the country have some sort of surname of planter or British origin.
There was a Seymour togged out for Castlehaven and a Trundle for St Brigid's today that are two other examples so it's not just a north of the country thing.
Quote from: weareros on January 07, 2024, 07:19:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie. You must be listening too much to Ah Ref on X.
The one thing about Brigids, the Kiltoom club always do their talking on the pitch. Young team but they have football in them.
My apologies. Great young team your right. But the Rossies as a rule tend to do a lot of talking off the pitch generally in the stands.
Nothing against the players though. They deserve a better following.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: weareros on January 07, 2024, 07:19:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie. You must be listening too much to Ah Ref on X.
The one thing about Brigids, the Kiltoom club always do their talking on the pitch. Young team but they have football in them.
My apologies. Great young team your right. But the Rossies as a rule tend to do a lot of talking off the pitch generally in the stands.
Nothing against the players though. They deserve a better following.
This is ridiculous.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2024, 07:07:33 PMA lot of people seem to have handed the trophy to Glen already. It's a dangerous game for them though as St Brigids produced enough against Corofin and in the first today to indicate that they have the footballers to win it. They probably have more scoring threat up front than Glen but equally they could get overpowered around the middle third where most of Glens players are positioned.
Both Malachy O'Rourke and Derry teams don't traditionally have a great record in Croke Park which will also sow a bit of doubt in their minds.
I expect Glen to win it now but I don't think it will be as easy as some people expect.
Don't think that'll matter a jot. St Brigids are a very very good side (wouldn't be where they are if not lol) I think it could genuinely go either way, would have Glen slight favourites and would love to see them get it over the line.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 07, 2024, 08:17:07 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: weareros on January 07, 2024, 07:19:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie. You must be listening too much to Ah Ref on X.
The one thing about Brigids, the Kiltoom club always do their talking on the pitch. Young team but they have football in them.
My apologies. Great young team your right. But the Rossies as a rule tend to do a lot of talking off the pitch generally in the stands.
Nothing against the players though. They deserve a better following.
This is ridiculous.
No point biting jaysus lads that was an easy wind up!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: weareros on January 07, 2024, 07:19:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:02:28 PMLet's hope Glen finish the job now.
Theres never many neutrals that support the Rassies. Very unlikeable fans.
Glen will be a popular champion you would think.
Rassie. You must be listening too much to Ah Ref on X.
The one thing about Brigids, the Kiltoom club always do their talking on the pitch. Young team but they have football in them.
My apologies. Great young team your right. But the Rossies as a rule tend to do a lot of talking off the pitch generally in the stands.
Nothing against the players though. They deserve a better following.
Foxtrotting Foxtrot Oscar
Was behind the goals at the changing room end. One thing i did notice at the end, even though the fans invaded invaded the pitch, was how focused they players were.
They weren't even smiling. Just walked off as if it was the end of a club league game.
Men on a mission if ever I saw it.
Never mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 08:00:25 PMIt was a hell of a game for a "farce".
Give me that football in 65% visibility over nearly any club game I watched this summer, every time.
each to their own, just think one of the biggest games in the club season deserved to be 'seen'. I honestly couldn't tell you if it was a good game or not.
Players and spectators I feel deserved better, it felt like the gaa just wanted it to go ahead no matter what, same with the first game.
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 07, 2024, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 08:00:25 PMIt was a hell of a game for a "farce".
Give me that football in 65% visibility over nearly any club game I watched this summer, every time.
each to their own, just think one of the biggest games in the club season deserved to be 'seen'. I honestly couldn't tell you if it was a good game or not.
I was at it yes visibility was poor but it was a cracking game and best team won glen deserved it bossed the whole first half.
Yes kilmacud had a grip of them in the last 15-20 mins but they deserved the win overall
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 08:46:00 PMNever mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Saw kilmacud attack first half and glen second
Saw to halfway line then nothing
Stand was full when we got there and that was 3.00
Not wanting to bring up old debates, well ok I am just a little 😆, who was it didn't see the fuss about Glen again? Wonder if hes convinced yet 😋
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 07, 2024, 09:00:36 PMNot wanting to bring up old debates, well ok I am just a little 😆, who was it didn't see the fuss about Glen again? Wonder if hes convinced yet 😋
Aye that would be Oso, hasn't a clue
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 07, 2024, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 08:46:00 PMNever mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Saw kilmacud attack first half and glen second
Saw to halfway line then nothing
Stand was full when we got there and that was 3.00
Terraced side looked pretty full today so I imagine not far off a full house.
Cant recall as big crowd for a club game outside an AI final in recent times.
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 07, 2024, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 08:00:25 PMIt was a hell of a game for a "farce".
Give me that football in 65% visibility over nearly any club game I watched this summer, every time.
each to their own, just think one of the biggest games in the club season deserved to be 'seen'. I honestly couldn't tell you if it was a good game or not.
Players and spectators I feel deserved better, it felt like the gaa just wanted it to go ahead no matter what, same with the first game.
There must have been heading for 10,000 people there, although you'd never know as you couldn't see the other side of the field.
The fog was the same for both sides, but it affected the possibilities of play. When Glen had the press at the end and turned over the ball, there was no option for a Beggan style effort to kick the ball out over the press because the goalie couldn't seen the players in midfield!
Kilmacud lost it in the second quarter and had it would have been an injustice had they snatched it at the end.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 07, 2024, 09:04:34 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 07, 2024, 09:00:36 PMNot wanting to bring up old debates, well ok I am just a little 😆, who was it didn't see the fuss about Glen again? Wonder if hes convinced yet 😋
Aye that would be Oso, hasn't a clue
That's the one 😀 he still here lol
Quote from: LC on January 07, 2024, 09:07:50 PMQuote from: Hoof Hearted on January 07, 2024, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 08:46:00 PMNever mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Saw kilmacud attack first half and glen second
Saw to halfway line then nothing
Stand was full when we got there and that was 3.00
Terraced side looked pretty full today so I imagine not far off a full house.
Cant recall as big crowd for a club game outside an AI final in recent times.
Yes terrace side full too
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2024, 08:00:25 PMIt was a hell of a game for a "farce".
Give me that football in 65% visibility over nearly any club game I watched this summer, every time.
And how many of those games involved the top sides in Ireland?
It was a farce that the game was played today in those conditions.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 07, 2024, 09:11:24 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on January 07, 2024, 09:04:34 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 07, 2024, 09:00:36 PMNot wanting to bring up old debates, well ok I am just a little 😆, who was it didn't see the fuss about Glen again? Wonder if hes convinced yet 😋
Aye that would be Oso, hasn't a clue
That's the one 😀 he still here lol
Will be a detailed report on how an average running team managed to get to back to back Club finals ;)
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 07, 2024, 06:13:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:05:57 PMQuote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Mac Giolla Mhearnóg. Probably has planter origins, if you're allowed to say use that terms.
A few Warnock families about Maghera.
Warnock's Hill out of the town as well when you are heading for Swatragh. Name must be around a long time.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 07, 2024, 06:13:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 07, 2024, 06:05:57 PMQuote from: pjm on January 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PMQuote from: Estimator on January 07, 2024, 05:44:51 PMAfaik Warnock has turned down 3 different Derry managers regarding a call up to county football
Unusual name, is it common up there?
Probably a former planter name from back in the day if I was to hazard a guess.
Most teams have one or two.
Alot more unusual names than that across the country
Mac Giolla Mhearnóg. Probably has planter origins, if you're allowed to say use that terms.
A few Warnock families about Maghera.
Didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. I like to see people of all origins play GAA.
Just find it an interesting topic: most teams across the country have some sort of surname of planter or British origin.
There was a Seymour togged out for Castlehaven and a Trundle for St Brigid's today that are two other examples so it's not just a north of the country thing.
I know you didn't and your use of the term was correct imo, but planter seems to be a term that can be misinterpreted. And family names and the history of them are fascinating.
There was a Winton in the Glen squad today, that was the only unusual one for the locality.
Warnocks wer very entrepreneurial and we're the first people to start selling oil in maghera, or anywhere near it, apparently...
Quote from: LC on January 07, 2024, 09:07:50 PMQuote from: Hoof Hearted on January 07, 2024, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 08:46:00 PMNever mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Saw kilmacud attack first half and glen second
Saw to halfway line then nothing
Stand was full when we got there and that was 3.00
Terraced side looked pretty full today so I imagine not far off a full house.
Cant recall as big crowd for a club game outside an AI final in recent times.
9,000 per RTÉ News.
3,300 in Thurles.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 07, 2024, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 07, 2024, 08:46:00 PMNever mind that, how far up the pitch could you see?
Saw kilmacud attack first half and glen second
Saw to halfway line then nothing
Stand was full when we got there and that was 3.00
Thought it was a disgrace the game was played could only see one half of the pitch
Guys train all year and are reduced to playing a semi final in farcical conditions .
Would have been a travesty if Glen had lost that match today. They were by far the better team.
But just goes to show you how momentum can change so quick in a game and how hard it is to turn against it.
Glen were ponderous with a ball along the terrace sideline in the 2 nd half and KC turned them over and it gave them a lift. A bit of energy surged through their supporters and team and they powered on.
Funny that Glen sort of sat back and invited KC on instead of doing what they did, and the game management of the first half. O'Rourke and Porter will mark that down as a learning experience for sure. Keep the gas on, when on top.
I think Dougan going off was a blow for Glen also. He was solid as usual.
The finish was a bit strange. 2 late goals after one another and then Walsh's miss.
Great game from what I could see. Conditions were the same for the two teams.
I want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
Probably something about Glen still hyped and other posters opinions are not going to change his regardless of what they want to believe.
On a different tack, I'm not sure what you call the Crokes manager but he was very magnanimous after the game, no excuses and it was a nice contrast with the bleatings of soccer managers.
Robbie Brennan. Yeah he came out and said that Glen were by far the better team and conditions were the same for both.
They could have stolen it but you'd be hard pressed to find any Crokes fans who could argue they deserved to win.
I thought Glen were pretty good in their interviews too. Warnock was spot on - Kilmacaud were the better team last year and deserved their win. Two sporting enough teams tbf to them.
Robbie Brennan is the Kilmacaud manager's name.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 09:32:43 AMI thought Glen were pretty good in their interviews too. Warnock was spot on - Kilmacaud were the better team last year and deserved their win. Two sporting enough teams tbf to them.
Robbie Brennan is the Kilmacaud manager's name.
I think he used to play for them, I only know this as I saw some random programme/photos last night on Twitter from the 1995 club semi final and he was in it for Kilmacud
He played for Dunboyne though maybe played for Kilmacaud at some point too.
Robbie Brennan has always spoke very well anytime I've listened to him after games.
Ditto with the Glen team, I'd say that team is full of leaders, a lot of their players have always been very good speakers during post match interviews. Most likely a result of excellent culture and coaching instilled in them from an early age.
Ref Warnock
Irish names were translated on an inconsistent basis. Sometimes if they sounded like an English name they were allocated that name. Eg Ó Cuaig sounds a bit like Cooke so it became Cooke.
Ulster was planted after 1607 and there are many non Gael names. Most names up there are correlated with religion but some are not. John Hume was a nationalist. So is Gerry Adams. Lenny Murphy and Ken Maginnis were Unionists. You can't generalise .
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 10:45:40 AMRef Warnock
Irish names were translated on an inconsistent basis. Sometimes if they sounded like an English name they were allocated that name. Eg Ó Cuaig sounds a bit like Cooke so it became Cooke.
Ulster was planted after 1607 and there are many non Gael names. Most names up there are correlated with religion but some are not. John Hume was a nationalist. So is Gerry Adams. Lenny Murphy and Ken Maginnis were Unionists. You can't generalise .
O Cuaig anglicised as Quigg around south Derry.
How that game went ahead is beyond me but what do you do? I don't think it had a bearing on the outcome. Glen were excellent in the first 40 minutes and held Walsh in particular very well. Their style is very good for this time of year and they are exceptionally well conditioned. What is very telling is how good everyone single player is on the ball. Inevitably Crokes would always come back into it and Mannion was unerring and Walsh showed his calls with the burst and pass for the goal. Big players, big moments. I thought at that point with the momentum behind them they would finish it out but Glen showed a lot of character to get the next score to push them back head after Crokes drew level. It was hard to determine on the TV who played well but Warnock, Glass and McFaul were great leaders at key times.
Crokes are a really good team. People will maybe question them because of the whole Walsh transfer etc but that's been their model for as long as I have known and he is not the first and won't be the last. A second All Ireland would have out them into the 'great team' status so that will be a disappointment I'd say.
On another note congratulations to Cullyhanna in making the final. Not a bad yet for my home parish and hopefully they'll finish it out in the final.
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 10:45:40 AMRef Warnock
Irish names were translated on an inconsistent basis. Sometimes if they sounded like an English name they were allocated that name. Eg Ó Cuaig sounds a bit like Cooke so it became Cooke.
Ulster was planted after 1607 and there are many non Gael names. Most names up there are correlated with religion but some are not. John Hume was a nationalist. So is Gerry Adams. Lenny Murphy and Ken Maginnis were Unionists. You can't generalise .
You have the added complications of the fact that a small number of catholic families would have switched sides during famine times ie; 'took the soup'.
I'm sure the opposite has happened in many cases for one reason or another.
We have to remember also that the Ulster Plantation was not the only plantation in Ireland; Munster and Laois/Offaly being the others.
What does fascinate me is how the likes of Mayo has many anglican names; to the best of my knowledge I don't think there was any plantation in connacht.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 11:48:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 10:45:40 AMRef Warnock
Irish names were translated on an inconsistent basis. Sometimes if they sounded like an English name they were allocated that name. Eg Ó Cuaig sounds a bit like Cooke so it became Cooke.
Ulster was planted after 1607 and there are many non Gael names. Most names up there are correlated with religion but some are not. John Hume was a nationalist. So is Gerry Adams. Lenny Murphy and Ken Maginnis were Unionists. You can't generalise .
You have the added complications of the fact that a small number of catholic families would have switched sides during famine times ie; 'took the soup'.
I'm sure the opposite has happened in many cases for one reason or another.
We have to remember also that the Ulster Plantation was not the only plantation in Ireland; Munster and Laois/Offaly being the others.
What does fascinate me is how the likes of Mayo has many anglican names; to the best of my knowledge I don't think there was any plantation in connacht.
Translation of the names from Irish was very haphazard . If it sounded like something English it might be given that name or if it was a name that corresponded to something in English such as an animal that may have been used . The third option was nonsense. Eg Sionnachan could be translated as Fox or Shanahan. An English name does not necessary mean from an English ancestor. They didn't care as long as they got rid of Irish names.
The scale of the Ulster plantation dwarfed the ones in Laois/Offaly because Ulster was the centre of Gaelic resistance pre 1607.
The occupation of Ireland was top down in Leinster /Connacht /Munster but bottom up in the Northeast especially after 1798. When the landlord class was destroyed post 1880 , British power in Leinster /Connacht /Munster eventually went tits up but the Northeast was different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahir_Healy
In a 24 April 1934 speech on the floor of the Northern Ireland Parliament Cahir Healy made clear his feelings on the ruling Unionist government and its treatment of Catholics:
"We know there is today no place for a Catholic in any public office. They are banned more effectively by the bigotry, secret and open, of the Northern Ministers, than they were in the days before the passing of the Catholic Emancipation. But for all that, we are not despairing...What Cromwell attempted in vain you will also attempt in vain. God and right are with us and will prevail over all your machinations. This is not the last generation. Neither will your threats cause us to change our ideals, of a united and free Ireland".
The first objective sign imo of a nationalist renaissance in the 6 counties after the trauma of partition was the 1960 all Ireland football final .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpntHflrNo
Kerry could never beat either Down or Tyrone in an all Ireland final.
Cahir Healy will be vindicated.
Can we open a thread on names please?
I think Brigids are potentially a dangerous final opposition for Wattys who will have spent the whole year aiming to beat KC but still haven't won anything. Derry teams haven't won this competition for 2 decades. Roscommon is a serious football county and the standard in Connacht is high at the moment.
Brigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 12:32:51 PMI think Brigids are potentially a dangerous final opposition for Wattys who will have spent the whole year aiming to beat KC but still haven't won anything. Derry teams haven't won this competition for 2 decades. Roscommon is a serious football county and the standard in Connacht is high at the moment.
They have won 2 Ulster titles in a row, think they are doing well enough. Derry have plenty of All Ireland club winners...
There are only 13 counties that have won it, so not winning it in 2 decades is still better than the counties that have not. the Rossies only have won it once so no real pedigree in this, Ulster have won it 13 times and for all the hype about Dublin clubs, Leinster have only 11 titles
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 12:32:51 PMI think Brigids are potentially a dangerous final opposition for Wattys who will have spent the whole year aiming to beat KC but still haven't won anything. Derry teams haven't won this competition for 2 decades. Roscommon is a serious football county and the standard in Connacht is high at the moment.
They have won 2 Ulster titles in a row, think they are doing well enough. Derry have plenty of All Ireland club winners...
There are only 13 counties that have won it, so not winning it in 2 decades is still better than the counties that have not. the Rossies only have won it once so no real pedigree in this, Ulster have won it 13 times and for all the hype about Dublin clubs, Leinster have only 11 titles
And 2 of those were UCD , who presumably had a fair spread of counties in their teams. Cork alone has the same number as Leinster , although none since 2003.
The comment above that Glen "still haven't won anything" is bizarre. They've won back to back Ulster and 3 in a row in Derry. They had never won a Derry senior championship prior to that. I think (open to correction). As if success at club level is only determined by all-Irelands.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 12:50:32 PMBrigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
The thing too is St Brigids know how to win an AI, Glen don't. Going into a final under the radar is a great way to be so they'll be happy with that.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:21:09 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 12:50:32 PMBrigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
The thing too is St Brigids know how to win an AI, Glen don't. Going into a final under the radar is a great way to be so they'll be happy with that.
for me this statement is only true if there are players/management involved who have won them before. If it is brand new team with no previous experience of winning AIs then you cant really say it
Quote from: shark on January 08, 2024, 01:07:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 12:32:51 PMI think Brigids are potentially a dangerous final opposition for Wattys who will have spent the whole year aiming to beat KC but still haven't won anything. Derry teams haven't won this competition for 2 decades. Roscommon is a serious football county and the standard in Connacht is high at the moment.
They have won 2 Ulster titles in a row, think they are doing well enough. Derry have plenty of All Ireland club winners...
There are only 13 counties that have won it, so not winning it in 2 decades is still better than the counties that have not. the Rossies only have won it once so no real pedigree in this, Ulster have won it 13 times and for all the hype about Dublin clubs, Leinster have only 11 titles
And 2 of those were UCD , who presumably had a fair spread of counties in their teams. Cork alone has the same number as Leinster , although none since 2003.
The comment above that Glen "still haven't won anything" is bizarre. They've won back to back Ulster and 3 in a row in Derry. They had never won a Derry senior championship prior to that. I think (open to correction). As if success at club level is only determined by all-Irelands.
Ah come on quoting figures of how many AIs each province has is a real red herring. Ulster clubs have 13 wins but ourselves and Burren have 8 of them, Cork has 12 titles but Nemo and the Barrs have 10. Corofin have 5. There are no real standout teams in Leinster, Crokes and St Vincent's have 3 an each but they're well spread out. Kilmacud have a 14 year gap between 1st and 2nd and then another 14 year gap to their 3rd. Money on now to win it in 2037?
The reality is that Glen could win the final but it's absolutely no shoe in. Connacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 08, 2024, 01:31:37 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:21:09 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 12:50:32 PMBrigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
The thing too is St Brigids know how to win an AI, Glen don't. Going into a final under the radar is a great way to be so they'll be happy with that.
for me this statement is only true if there are players/management involved who have won them before. If it is brand new team with no previous experience of winning AIs then you cant really say it
I think there are a few players involved, not many I might add but it would be foolish to think that they don't have players who won in 2013 involved in the build up over the next few weeks.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:42:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 08, 2024, 01:31:37 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:21:09 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 12:50:32 PMBrigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
The thing too is St Brigids know how to win an AI, Glen don't. Going into a final under the radar is a great way to be so they'll be happy with that.
for me this statement is only true if there are players/management involved who have won them before. If it is brand new team with no previous experience of winning AIs then you cant really say it
I think there are a few players involved, not many I might add but it would be foolish to think that they don't have players who won in 2013 involved in the build up over the next few weeks.
2013 was the last throw of an ageing team and they fell over the line. 2024 is a completely new team, not carrying the baggage of the pre-2013 Brigids who were nearly men. Ballymun threw the 2013 final away but thems the breaks. End of the day its all up for grabs, would personally back Glen
Quote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2024, 12:50:32 PMBrigids are a good team. They beat Corofin well though I didn't see yesterday. Everything you read would suggest that all Glen need to do is turn up. That's a dangerous place to be when you're playing decent opposition. It's different if there's a massive gap but there's not here.
To be fair I don't think you'll hear that from any Glen men. They cant control the media narrative. They'll be treating St. Brigids with the utmost respect.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 08, 2024, 12:32:51 PMI think Brigids are potentially a dangerous final opposition for Wattys who will have spent the whole year aiming to beat KC but still haven't won anything. Derry teams haven't won this competition for 2 decades. Roscommon is a serious football county and the standard in Connacht is high at the moment.
They have won 2 Ulster titles in a row, think they are doing well enough. Derry have plenty of All Ireland club winners...
There are only 13 counties that have won it, so not winning it in 2 decades is still better than the counties that have not. the Rossies only have won it once so no real pedigree in this, Ulster have won it 13 times and for all the hype about Dublin clubs, Leinster have only 11 titles
Derry have 3. Lavey and Bellaghy were a very long time ago. Since Ballinderry in 2002, Derry clubs have lost 3. So the form isn't great. Roscommon have 1. If Brigids win the gap will be down to 1.
Fine margins I would say
I see Mayo v London game at the weekend was used with an orange ball... why was that not used yesterday in the game?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 08, 2024, 03:10:42 PMI see Mayo v London game at the weekend was used with an orange ball... why was that not used yesterday in the game?
It is not a traditional route.
how many games have glen played so far was the derry championship format a long one did they have to play like 8 games or something
why they use an orange ball indoors if there was any place to use it it would have bee yesterday in maybe both matchs in the all ireland club semi finals.
If anyone thinks Glen players are representing Derry they no FA about Derry.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 08, 2024, 03:52:27 PMIf anyone thinks Glen players are representing Derry they no FA about Derry.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 08, 2024, 03:55:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 08, 2024, 03:52:27 PMIf anyone thinks Glen players are representing Derry they no FA about Derry.
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They are representing the great nation of Zamunda this year
Quote from: Eire90 on January 08, 2024, 03:26:01 PMhow many games have glen played so far was the derry championship format a long one did they have to play like 8 games or something
9 in Derry I think, 3 in Ulster and yesterday's game. 13 in all.
They'd have been strong enough to rest some lads in some of the group games.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 08, 2024, 03:29:06 PMwhy they use an orange ball indoors if there was any place to use it it would have bee yesterday in maybe both matchs in the all ireland club semi finals.
Coloured ball needed in the Connacht air dome with the white back ground.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 08, 2024, 03:29:06 PMwhy they use an orange ball indoors if there was any place to use it it would have bee yesterday in maybe both matchs in the all ireland club semi finals.
Presumably used indoors to contrast against the white backdrop of the airdome.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 02:16:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
There is obviously a wall of northern money on Wattys. Following the narrative.
Two good high intensity semi finals yesterday whereby the two best teams won or be made it harder for themselves.
Makes for interesting final and with a lot of top quality players in action hopefully the weather is decent (less fog and frost) and it's a good competitive final.
I'm expecting Glen to edge it. Intermediate and Junior I think will be won by Cullyhanna and Listowel Emmets.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 02:16:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
That's not correct, crokes were warm favs for yesterday's game and the same in last year's all Ireland final. Glen were second favs to crokes this year alright, but last year it was a toss up between them and kilcoo for who would make it out of Ulster.
Re Derry clubs records in the competition, not that it's overly relevant nor will it impact on this year's final, but I'd suggest Derry has one of the best records of any county, mainly because of the spread of teams who've won their province, with 8 different clubs contributing to Derry's 17 Ulster titles. Derry have also had 6 different clubs play in all Ireland finals and it looks like only Dublin have had more different representatives than that?
It'll be a surprise if Glen don't win this, but Brigid's have some quality too, maybe next year will be their day!
Quote from: onefineday on January 09, 2024, 12:20:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 02:16:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
That's not correct, crokes were warm favs for yesterday's game and the same in last year's all Ireland final. Glen were second favs to crokes this year alright, but last year it was a toss up between them and kilcoo for who would make it out of Ulster.
Re Derry clubs records in the competition, not that it's overly relevant nor will it impact on this year's final, but I'd suggest Derry has one of the best records of any county, mainly because of the spread of teams who've won their province, with 8 different clubs contributing to Derry's 17 Ulster titles. Derry have also had 6 different clubs play in all Ireland finals and it looks like only Dublin have had more different representatives than that?
It'll be a surprise if Glen don't win this, but Brigid's have some quality too, maybe next year will be their day!
Sorry you are right they were favourites for the game yesterday. My point was that Glen were in or around favourites for the All Ireland for some time, I didnt explain it well. I suppose part of the reason why they were favorites is with how strong the dublin championship is too and hard to pinpoint a winner early doors.
Kilmacud are the only side that have been ahead of them in the odds at any point if i'm not mistaken.
But there is no way Corofin would have been favourites to beat them this year in a final.
If we are talking about the Corofin of old well then thats a totally different story.
Aye Glen have been in the top two for AI betting throughout the 2022 and 2023 season. They were slight underdogs against KC on Sunday but they would absolutely have been favourites had it been Corofin.
Regarding Derry's record - absolutely it is impressive, the spread of Ulster winners is serious going. The Derry champs are normally never far away in Ulster.
Quote from: onefineday on January 09, 2024, 12:20:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 02:16:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
That's not correct, crokes were warm favs for yesterday's game and the same in last year's all Ireland final. Glen were second favs to crokes this year alright, but last year it was a toss up between them and kilcoo for who would make it out of Ulster.
Re Derry clubs records in the competition, not that it's overly relevant nor will it impact on this year's final, but I'd suggest Derry has one of the best records of any county, mainly because of the spread of teams who've won their province, with 8 different clubs contributing to Derry's 17 Ulster titles. Derry have also had 6 different clubs play in all Ireland finals and it looks like only Dublin have had more different representatives than that?
It'll be a surprise if Glen don't win this, but Brigid's have some quality too, maybe next year will be their day!
Quote from: onefineday on January 09, 2024, 12:20:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 08, 2024, 02:16:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:55:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on January 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2024, 01:41:21 PMConnacht has a strong club set up and between Corofin and Brigids have won 5 of the last 10 finals.
Ah here, that's the same red herring you gave off about in your (correct) first paragraph!
It is and it isn't. St Brigids beat Corofin this year so that has to stand for something. If it was Corofin playing in the final instead of St Brigids Corofin would be favourites, no question about that.
If Corofin were in the final they wouldn't be favourites. Maybe with you they would but certainly not with the bookies.
Glen have been favorites for the All Ireland with the bookies since as far back as they won Derry in 2021 I think it was but not 100% sure definitely 2022 anyway. They haven't got over the line but they are inching closer.
Brigid's have some quality too, maybe next year will be their day!
Not if 3 or 4 Clubs in Ros can help it ;)
Seize the day Bridgeens, it might never come again!
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 01:09:22 PMQuote from: bennydorano on September 13, 2023, 12:38:54 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AMErrigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Have been thinking for a while Cullyhanna are bound to be thinking bigger than Armagh, but it wouldn't surprise you if they get complacent and get chinned in Armagh either. Like Clonoe they're not really an Intermediate team, being denied their county players for the past couple of leagues screwed them over.
I'd say both of these clubs had it in the back of their head from they got relegated. Aghyaran, Moy, Pomeroy all fully capable of winning Tyrone intermediate also. They'd all be decent and the knockout element would come into it as well. I would make the bold early prediction the winner of Tyrone / Armagh game in intermediate could end up in Croker, some strong senior level players will be facing off in that 1st round game.
A brave shout boys! Pomeroy will be sick. That match up stood out a mile away - fair play to Cullyhanna for following up on the potential this season offered - go and win it now
Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 09, 2024, 10:01:46 AMQuote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 01:09:22 PMQuote from: bennydorano on September 13, 2023, 12:38:54 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AMErrigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Have been thinking for a while Cullyhanna are bound to be thinking bigger than Armagh, but it wouldn't surprise you if they get complacent and get chinned in Armagh either. Like Clonoe they're not really an Intermediate team, being denied their county players for the past couple of leagues screwed them over.
I'd say both of these clubs had it in the back of their head from they got relegated. Aghyaran, Moy, Pomeroy all fully capable of winning Tyrone intermediate also. They'd all be decent and the knockout element would come into it as well. I would make the bold early prediction the winner of Tyrone / Armagh game in intermediate could end up in Croker, some strong senior level players will be facing off in that 1st round game.
A brave shout boys! Pomeroy will be sick. That match up stood out a mile away - fair play to Cullyhanna for following up on the potential this season offered - go and win it now
final- and junior - this sunday. Very quick turnaround
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Disappointing day. Crokes never showed up for 40 minutes and despite that missed more than enough scores to win comfortably. Their wides were brutal. Also what was their obsession with going for goals early on?
Despite all of that when they started to play Glen literally filled their togs and almost collapsed like a house of cards. So much for managing games and seeing them out comfortably, that hasn't happened since they won Derry
Had it gone on another 5 minutes crokes would have won without doubt. Had it gone on another minute (and it should have as he blew right on the 4 mins despite the glen keeper wasting almost half of that with kick outs) they would have tied it up. I'm not sure why Shane Walsh carried it so far in and narrowed the angle right at the death before shooting, I thought it was within his range. Maybe he couldn't see the posts clearly when glancing up with the poor visibility.
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Quote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
Quote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:50:45 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
Cahair said on the twitter you could see more on the TV so maybe you should've stayed at home Oso 🤣🤣
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:50:45 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
Bitter, salty tears, that's a very big chip on that shoulder. Don't let it eat you up man.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
On that we'll agree but to say he didn't get a good whack on the head is crazy. You maybe need to watch the replay on TV mucker 😆
Now tell us how the fog affected Crokes more
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:50:45 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
What did the Glen lads do on you?
I'm neutral but glad to see Glen win that game. MO'R is an absolute gentleman and their players all seem like good lads who can do the talking on and off the pitch. Glass in particular is a class act, would love to have him playing for Armagh lol.
In fairness the KC lads and management all seem decent fellas too, Walsh and Mannion are obviously top class forwards.
He's either clueless or a WUM or both. I'll not be engaging further, after he explains the fog bit of course 😀
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:43:23 PMHe's either clueless or a WUM or both. I'll not be engaging further, after he explains the fog bit of course 😀
Them Derry boys were raised in the hills well used to the fog, the posh Dubs never seen it before ;)
Quote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 09:33:01 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:50:45 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
Bitter, salty tears, that's a very big chip on that shoulder. Don't let it eat you up man.
There's no chip! Lol it's an amateur sport, it's game of football, that's all. Big deal, I wanted them beaten because I don't like the team or their fans. I don't hang out on here like a saddo waiting to see what the next poster has to say about it. The game was over 48 hours ago, I went to it to watch it and with life being busy it's over 48 hours before I ventured on here to learn I have a legion of followers who couldn't wait to hear what my thoughts on the game were.
Now imagine leading a life where you seem to care so much about something you don't bother going to games but are an avid armchair fan who rather than enjoying the game and focusing on it you sit and post on here throughout it. And when your team wins, rather than enjoying and savouring the moment you can't wait to hear what some guy you've never met and never will on an internet forum thinks? Empty or what......!
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:51:35 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 09:33:01 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:50:45 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Seems there were lots of experts sitting watching the fog on screen at home who will have to believe what Cahair O'Kane wrote in the Irish News.
Armchair fans. Same everyday out. At least I went....
Hoping to see them beaten.
Bitter, salty tears, that's a very big chip on that shoulder. Don't let it eat you up man.
There's no chip! Lol it's an amateur sport, it's game of football, that's all. Big deal, I wanted them beaten because I don't like the team or their fans. I don't hang out on here like a saddo waiting to see what the next poster has to say about it. The game was over 48 hours ago, I went to it to watch it and with life being busy it's over 48 hours before I ventured on here to learn I have a legion of followers who couldn't wait to hear what my thoughts on the game were.
Now imagine leading a life where you seem to care so much about something you don't bother going to games but are an avid armchair fan who rather than enjoying the game and focusing on it you sit and post on here throughout it. And when your team wins, rather than enjoying and savouring the moment you can't wait to hear what some guy you've never met and never will on an internet forum thinks? Empty or what......!
Ah come on lad you described back to back Ulster winners and all ireland finalists as an average team. Admit you were wrong and take your bit of stick.
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:43:23 PMHe's either clueless or a WUM or both. I'll not be engaging further, after he explains the fog bit of course 😀
Who would be affected more in poor visibility? A team that carry the ball and play short passes, rarely kicking it or a team that would try to get the ball into Shane Walsh as quickly as possible?
Be interesting to know what the wide count was also crusty. Do you think the poor visibility would have contributed to the number of scoreable wides crokes kicked including the uncharacteristic one from Walsh right at the death?
Quote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
I will await confirmation of that if that's all right with you, because your "facts" are probably just made up. His knee buckled when I watched it back, he went down holding behind his knee and he looked like he couldn't put weight through his knee on the way off, not his ankle.
It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head, he took a heavy hit mostly it his back/side but it wasn't focused on his head or he'd have gone down holding his head because he took the contact to his face and it merely looked worse in slow motion. He didn't even hold his face. To say he was felled because of a blow to his head is simply making things up.
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 10:18:42 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
I will await confirmation of that if that's all right with you, because your "facts" are probably just made up. His knee buckled when I watched it back, he went down holding behind his knee and he looked like he couldn't put weight through his knee on the way off, not his ankle.
It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head, he took a heavy hit mostly it his back/side but it wasn't focused on his head or he'd have gone down holding his head because he took the contact to his face and it merely looked worse in slow motion. He didn't even hold his face. To say he was felled because of a blow to his head is simply making things up.
Dear me. 'It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head...'
Do yourself a favour man, download the tG4 app and watch the game again. Incident is on 20 mins. The only think that hits Doherty is the point of Sheehan's elbow. Flush into his face. You must be the only person in the country who thinks otherwise. And you've the cheek to say he simulated it....so by your logic, he's faked it and decided he needs to see it out by taking himself out of an all ireland semi, 20 mins into it??? Is that really what you're saying?
Not sure if the blow to Doherty's head was as bad as Oso's blow to the head!
Pure popcorn stuff from the mug that goes to a game to watch some other team bate!
Money well spent I hope
Man also calls someone a saddo. Without a hint of irony then goes on to say he goes to Newry just to see a team he hates get beat
Nite all sweet dreams
#osospecial
In the Junior final Arva midfielder Christan Noack Hoffmann played League of Ireland football with Longford Town.
Quote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 10:18:42 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
I will await confirmation of that if that's all right with you, because your "facts" are probably just made up. His knee buckled when I watched it back, he went down holding behind his knee and he looked like he couldn't put weight through his knee on the way off, not his ankle.
It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head, he took a heavy hit mostly it his back/side but it wasn't focused on his head or he'd have gone down holding his head because he took the contact to his face and it merely looked worse in slow motion. He didn't even hold his face. To say he was felled because of a blow to his head is simply making things up.
I enjoy your posts, especially how they rile up so many, but what is your issue with Glen?
Used to be a poster on here from Dublin when Vincent's were strong who posted a lot of stuff similar to Oso....cant remember but he and I used to go at it hard.
Anyway, Glen to win the final but the Rossies to really put it up to them. Definitely no walkover but would love to see Glen do it. M O'R is a real gent and it would vindicate his decision to stay with them rather than taking the Derry job.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 11, 2024, 06:57:10 AMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 10:18:42 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
I will await confirmation of that if that's all right with you, because your "facts" are probably just made up. His knee buckled when I watched it back, he went down holding behind his knee and he looked like he couldn't put weight through his knee on the way off, not his ankle.
It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head, he took a heavy hit mostly it his back/side but it wasn't focused on his head or he'd have gone down holding his head because he took the contact to his face and it merely looked worse in slow motion. He didn't even hold his face. To say he was felled because of a blow to his head is simply making things up.
I enjoy your posts, especially how they rile up so many, but what is your issue with Glen?
I think the only person that is actually riled up is him, the rest have basically kept him responding with mad altogether posts Ted!
That and his club or his wannabe club, he feels, should have beaten them twice and its them that would have been in both finals..
Like a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 11, 2024, 09:26:55 AMUsed to be a poster on here from Dublin when Vincent's were strong who posted a lot of stuff similar to Oso....cant remember but he and I used to go at it hard.
Anyway, Glen to win the final but the Rossies to really put it up to them. Definitely no walkover but would love to see Glen do it. M O'R is a real gent and it would vindicate his decision to stay with them rather than taking the Derry job.
Indiana
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2024, 01:05:28 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 11, 2024, 09:26:55 AMUsed to be a poster on here from Dublin when Vincent's were strong who posted a lot of stuff similar to Oso....cant remember but he and I used to go at it hard.
Anyway, Glen to win the final but the Rossies to really put it up to them. Definitely no walkover but would love to see Glen do it. M O'R is a real gent and it would vindicate his decision to stay with them rather than taking the Derry job.
Indiana
whatever happened indiana
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 11, 2024, 01:51:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2024, 01:05:28 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 11, 2024, 09:26:55 AMUsed to be a poster on here from Dublin when Vincent's were strong who posted a lot of stuff similar to Oso....cant remember but he and I used to go at it hard.
Anyway, Glen to win the final but the Rossies to really put it up to them. Definitely no walkover but would love to see Glen do it. M O'R is a real gent and it would vindicate his decision to stay with them rather than taking the Derry job.
Indiana
whatever happened indiana
The very one, in fairness he was good for a row but was wild arrogant on it!
Was he not a big shot in his playing career or did I read that wrong? I just mind a few things said but had no idea who he was.
Quote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Would be good to see an Ulster treble with Arva, Cullyhanna and Glen all bringing the trophies back up the road. It's a big ask for all 3 to win but not entirely impossible.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:48:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Would be good to see an Ulster treble with Arva, Cullyhanna and Glen all bringing the trophies back up the road. It's a big ask for all 3 to win but not entirely impossible.
What price that treble?
Quote from: marty34 on January 11, 2024, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:48:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Would be good to see an Ulster treble with Arva, Cullyhanna and Glen all bringing the trophies back up the road. It's a big ask for all 3 to win but not entirely impossible.
What price that treble?
5.3/1 pop on ten and you'll win 63 if the Ulster treble happens.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 11, 2024, 06:08:09 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 11, 2024, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:48:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Would be good to see an Ulster treble with Arva, Cullyhanna and Glen all bringing the trophies back up the road. It's a big ask for all 3 to win but not entirely impossible.
What price that treble?
5.3/1 pop on ten and you'll win 63 if the Ulster treble happens.
Bound to be a draw in there somewhere!
Quote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
If you read this article gives you a good overview of how they ended up junior.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/ciaran-brady-cavan-296694 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/ciaran-brady-cavan-296694)
Quote from: marty34 on January 11, 2024, 06:13:05 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 11, 2024, 06:08:09 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 11, 2024, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:48:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 11, 2024, 12:32:38 PMLike a few others here i've gave Arva a bit of stick for being in the Junior Championship but I do hope they win on Sunday as it would be good to see them give the Kerry lads a taste of their own medicine.
Would be good to see an Ulster treble with Arva, Cullyhanna and Glen all bringing the trophies back up the road. It's a big ask for all 3 to win but not entirely impossible.
What price that treble?
5.3/1 pop on ten and you'll win 63 if the Ulster treble happens.
Bound to be a draw in there somewhere!
4.3/1 on pp for ulster teams to win outright
Derry were the same before the semi finals in 98 and 22. Ulster champions. Destiny. Complacent.
A trip to Athlone is recommended. The Roscommon side is one of the richest parts of Connacht. Brigids are serious.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2024, 09:29:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 11, 2024, 06:57:10 AMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 10:18:42 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2024, 09:09:30 PMQuote from: Silver hill on January 09, 2024, 08:44:36 PMQuote from: Oso on January 09, 2024, 08:26:56 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2024, 11:14:34 PMI want Oso opinion on the game saying he had plenty to say before the Ulster final.
You didn't even go to the game. Can you even comment on it weasel? Could you see anything on TV? Glad you remembered my name. Honestly can't recall a single post you've made on the other hand.
Lovely bit of deflection there Oso....Bravo.
Check his views on the Antrim thread, they're even better 🤣🤣 the fog affected Kilmacud more and Doherty didn't really get that big a slap to the head as he went off with a sore knee 🤣🤣
Ah, another fan. Your whole village is out looking for you. He went off because of his knee you absolute clown. Did you even watch that part?
Here's a fact for you Oso, it's his ankle that is injured and the reason why he had to go off. The slap to the head meant he had no control of where he was placing his legs when he was felled. You can clearly see on the replays his leg buckling back underneath his body. But I forgot.. you know best on these things.
I will await confirmation of that if that's all right with you, because your "facts" are probably just made up. His knee buckled when I watched it back, he went down holding behind his knee and he looked like he couldn't put weight through his knee on the way off, not his ankle.
It wasn't anything to do with the contact to his head, he took a heavy hit mostly it his back/side but it wasn't focused on his head or he'd have gone down holding his head because he took the contact to his face and it merely looked worse in slow motion. He didn't even hold his face. To say he was felled because of a blow to his head is simply making things up.
I enjoy your posts, especially how they rile up so many, but what is your issue with Glen?
I think the only person that is actually riled up is him, the rest have basically kept him responding with mad altogether posts Ted!
That and his club or his wannabe club, he feels, should have beaten them twice and its them that would have been in both finals..
My club wee man? How's that? My club weren't even in it!!
You're wrong on all fronts again, but true to form you try to please the crowd and love to follow the narrative. Insecurity at its finest. Is it the height thing?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2024, 11:46:57 PMNot sure if the blow to Doherty's head was as bad as Oso's blow to the head!
Pure popcorn stuff from the mug that goes to a game to watch some other team bate!
Money well spent I hope
I went to the game to watch the game wee man. I merely wanted one team to win more than the other.
You strike me as the kind of guy who sees the cost of everything and the value in nothing, did your cronies wave you through for free at casement back in the day?
I go to games because I enjoy live sport, not that it's any of yours or crusty the clown's business but in the last fortnight I've been to a Mageean hurling final, 2 Macrory games and an all Ireland club semifinal. If you can't be arsed going or can't afford to go reserve your own judgement on why others might chose to go.
Quote from: Oso on January 13, 2024, 03:14:45 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2024, 11:46:57 PMNot sure if the blow to Doherty's head was as bad as Oso's blow to the head!
Pure popcorn stuff from the mug that goes to a game to watch some other team bate!
Money well spent I hope
I went to the game to watch the game wee man. I merely wanted one team to win more than the other.
You strike me as the kind of guy who sees the cost of everything and the value in nothing, did your cronies wave you through for free at casement back in the day?
I go to games because I enjoy live sport, not that it's any of yours or crusty the clown's business but in the last fortnight I've been to a Mageean hurling final, 2 Macrory games and an all Ireland club semifinal. If you can't be arsed going or can't afford to go reserve your own judgement on why others might chose to go.
Would be fair to say I've been to and played in more games than you ten fold, but you're an angry wee man, with issues, you strike me as an insecure person but it's ok, there's help out there
Half time in the All Ireland Junior final. Listowel Emmets: 0-07 Arva: 0-04. The Cavan outfit looking the more nervy team. Looking with the decent weather for this time of year and the pitch is like a carpet.
Game far from over but Arva would be far better off being less negative if you ask me. Trying to win at this level in Croker with 15 behind ball is difficult. After the first 10 mins Listowel have them figured out a bit. Eddie Healy and Niall Collins having great games at back for Listowel. Arva 11 and 14 are good if they got more ball and support. Very negative tactics aren't helping though.
Still a goal could swing things either way here.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 14, 2024, 02:05:04 PMHalf time in the All Ireland Junior final. Listowel Emmets: 0-07 Arva: 0-04. The Cavan outfit looking the more nervy team. Looking with the decent weather for this time of year and the pitch is like a carpet.
Two hurling games on the pitch last night, some surface
Thats a joke of a call. Not a free never mind a card
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:20:58 PMThats a joke of a call. Not a free never mind a card
The shoulder into the chest by 14?
Ciaran Brady driving on now.
Another harsh card. Arva flying now.
Ref got that black card outrageously wrong there
Quote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
Ref taking the piss now
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
Quote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
mistimed shoulder and legs tangled, free surely but never a card
Goalkeeper taking the piss
Quote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
Missed timed? ;D Wise up
The shot taking is rubbish
Arva will regret these wides
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:38:16 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
Missed timed? ;D Wise up
Sorry didn't mean to upset the referee union. You're near as bad as Peter Walton
Jesus was what 13 at there.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 14, 2024, 02:39:50 PMArva will regret these wides
They should be 5 or 6 up at this stage. McCabe for being a County forward has kicked a few easy chances wide.
Quote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:41:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:38:16 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
Missed timed? ;D Wise up
Sorry didn't mean to upset the referee union. You're near as bad as Peter Walton
He deliberately took out the player, no attempt to play ball or nowhere near his shoulder.. caught his legs ffs
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:42:48 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:41:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:38:16 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
Missed timed? ;D Wise up
Sorry didn't mean to upset the referee union. You're near as bad as Peter Walton
He deliberately took out the player, no attempt to play ball or nowhere near his shoulder.. caught his legs ffs
Yes referee...
That ref should be hung drawn and quartered for that call
Referee has cost Listowel there.
That was a crazy call
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:49:15 PMThat ref should be hung drawn and quartered for that call
Wonder why he didn't play full advantage?
Playing Div 1 has served Arva well
He's lost the plot. Arva much better team in fairness
Whistle was gone, but poor call. Was a load of steps after he was being fouled though
Congratulations Arva and it shows the level of team required in order to beat the Kerry championship system.
Well done Arva. The best team on the day
Well played Arva. Deserved winners.
Well done to Arva. 1/3 for Ulster so far. Brady was unreal.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Here he comes, crying once more.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
Quote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 02:52:46 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Here he comes, crying once more.
Say what you want but it's a huge contributing factor as to how good Arva are. The goonies back in 2002 did it the hard way
Arva 0-13 Listowel 0-10. Congrats to the Cavan team full value for that win, settled themselves after a nervy 1st half to outscore the Kerry champions 9-3 2nd half. Very good defensively and but for some poor shot selection they could have won that AI final by a bigger margin.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Club football that poor in Armagh? Arva are nowhere near Senior level in Cavan...
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 02:58:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Club football that poor in Armagh? Arva are nowhere near Senior level in Cavan...
Well Cross steamrolled everyone then got steamrolled themselves by an ok Trillick team....
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:59:34 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 02:58:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Club football that poor in Armagh? Arva are nowhere near Senior level in Cavan...
Well Cross steamrolled everyone then got steamrolled themselves by an ok Trillick team....
Hardly means Junior teams make your top 4. That still is a huge gap to get across
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 02:58:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Club football that poor in Armagh? Arva are nowhere near Senior level in Cavan...
Cavan Div 1 team beats other senior champ teams in Cavan but poster says they are nowhere near a senior team.. my god
Aw lads not this again.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 14, 2024, 02:13:49 PMGame far from over but Arva would be far better off being less negative if you ask me. Trying to win at this level in Croker with 15 behind ball is difficult. After the first 10 mins Listowel have them figured out a bit. Eddie Healy and Niall Collins having great games at back for Listowel. Arva 11 and 14 are good if they got more ball and support. Very negative tactics aren't helping though.
Still a goal could swing things either way here.
Fair play to Arva and their mgmt aswell - far better second half and when they pushed up on Listowel they squeezed the life out of them. Some appalling calls by ref, black card especially but nevertheless the better team won. Arva should have won by 10 really in the end with all the chances they missed.
Ciarán Brady obviously was outstanding but 3 and 11 were excellent for Arva aswell I thought.
Listowel weren't tested really since Kerry final and it probably showed. But they ran out of gas a bit and also several big players underperforming didn't help them. They'll benefit from the experience though.
Well done Arva, commiserations to Listowel. A great advertisement for Junior club football.
Well done to Arva. An enjoyable game of football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
It's fairly straight forward.. how can anyone come on here and say that Arva playing div 1 football has been not pivotal to what they achieved this year. They are a fantastic team but the Cavan man is burying his head in the sand saying it had no bearing what so ever... must have been the 15 point hammerings in the champ that made them all ire champs
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 14, 2024, 03:03:10 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 14, 2024, 02:13:49 PMGame far from over but Arva would be far better off being less negative if you ask me. Trying to win at this level in Croker with 15 behind ball is difficult. After the first 10 mins Listowel have them figured out a bit. Eddie Healy and Niall Collins having great games at back for Listowel. Arva 11 and 14 are good if they got more ball and support. Very negative tactics aren't helping though.
Still a goal could swing things either way here.
Fair play to Arva and their mgmt aswell - far better second half and when they pushed up on Listowel they squeezed the life out of them. Some appalling calls by ref, black card especially but nevertheless the better team won. Arva should have won by 10 really in the end with all the chances they missed.
Ciarán Brady obviously was outstanding but 3 and 11 were excellent for Arva aswell I thought.
Listowel weren't tested really since Kerry final and it probably showed. But they ran out of gas a bit and also several big players underperforming didn't help them. They'll benefit from the experience though.
I thought the ref was hard on them for sure but the black card (by the letter of the law) was right, but there must have been some mouthing going on by the Kerry lads as he moved the ball forward a lot.
He's only human and those 50/50 calls will generally go against ya
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:59:34 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 02:58:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Club football that poor in Armagh? Arva are nowhere near Senior level in Cavan...
Well Cross steamrolled everyone then got steamrolled themselves by an ok Trillick team....
No point having a few quid on this Armagh team now?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:07:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
It's fairly straight forward.. how can anyone come on here and say that Arva playing div 1 football has been not pivotal to what they achieved this year. They are a fantastic team but the Cavan man is burying his head in the sand saying it had no bearing what so ever... must have been the 15 point hammerings in the champ that made them all ire champs
You're the one with your head in the sand. Finishing bottom of Division 1 does not make them a Senior team. They got promoted after losing a Division 2 final. The fact you cannot figure out that league and championship is not linked in unreal. Arva got relegated to Junior in 2021 and lost the Junior final last year. They're not Senior standard as the results show. They're where they are on Championship results. Now drop it. Team wins a good All Ireland and you're crying here immediately as you can't understand they're not linked
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
Indeed. A team wins a title and this stuff again. We need to drop this
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 03:12:51 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
Indeed. A team wins a title and this stuff again. We need to drop this
It's not as though Kerry aren't at similar.
Arguments been done to death on here and no ones mind is gonna change lol
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 03:12:03 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:07:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
It's fairly straight forward.. how can anyone come on here and say that Arva playing div 1 football has been not pivotal to what they achieved this year. They are a fantastic team but the Cavan man is burying his head in the sand saying it had no bearing what so ever... must have been the 15 point hammerings in the champ that made them all ire champs
You're the one with your head in the sand. Finishing bottom of Division 1 does not make them a Senior team. They got promoted after losing a Division 2 final. The fact you cannot figure out that league and championship is not linked in unreal. Arva got relegated to Junior in 2021 and lost the Junior final last year. They're not Senior standard as the results show. They're where they are on Championship results. Now drop it. Team wins a good All Ireland and you're crying here immediately as you can't understand they're not linked
So, playing div 1 teams has no bearing on their preparation? You think if they played div 3 football this year they still would have won today? Answer me that
Well done Arva, their 2 midfielders were outstanding in that second period and laid the foundations for the win which would have been more convincing if their forwards had brought their shooting boots.
Anthony Nolan has no understanding of the advantage rule and tried his best to spoil what was a decent game.
Part one of the Ulster treble complete, hopefully Cullyhanna can bring the intermediate back next.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:35:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 02:33:08 PMQuote from: Nanderson on January 14, 2024, 02:32:29 PMRef got that black card outrageously wrong there
The player deliberately took player out without attempting to play the ball.
That was a mistimed shoulder rather than attempt to be cynical
mistimed shoulder and legs tangled, free surely but never a card
But did he not lead with the foot/leg?
Good win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.
Won everything handy this year.
Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.
Won everything handy this year.
Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.
Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league
Fair play to Arva, things looked ominous at half time. That's a legendary performance by the Holla. In truth, they should have won by more.
I thought the ref gave Listowel all the calls in the first half and Arva all the calls in the second. We've had a hundred hard luck stories in Cavan, great to see the rub of the green going our way.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:36:46 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.
Won everything handy this year.
Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.
Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league
A first team can't play any lower than Div 3 in Cavan. Arva play Div 1 league in Cavan. It's not connected to Championship. Arva are Junior Championship.
Quote from: Westside on January 14, 2024, 03:43:54 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:36:46 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.
Won everything handy this year.
Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.
Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league
A first team can't play any lower than Div 3 in Cavan. Arva play Div 1 league in Cavan. It's not connected to Championship. Arva are Junior Championship.
Correct. I'm merely stating that them playing div 1 football has been a significant advantage for them. Do you think they would have won today playing div 3?
Intermediate final after the Seniors is novel. :P
Cil na Marta hitting some wides and dominating a bit, Cullies starting to settle. CNM look physically bigger.
Is the Cullyhanna kit relatively unique or do you see it up and down the country? There's Cullyhanna & Abbey CBS in those colours locally, not 10miles from each other but I'm not sure I've seen another team in that kit??
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:45:38 PMQuote from: Westside on January 14, 2024, 03:43:54 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:36:46 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.
Won everything handy this year.
Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.
Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league
A first team can't play any lower than Div 3 in Cavan. Arva play Div 1 league in Cavan. It's not connected to Championship. Arva are Junior Championship.
Correct. I'm merely stating that them playing div 1 football has been a significant advantage for them. Do you think they would have won today playing div 3?
Yeah I'm sure playing Div 1 has stood to them to some extent. Then again they were the whipping boys of Div 1 and ambushed Ballinagh in the relegation playoff to stay up. Other counties' teams can play intermediate championship and do well one year, play Junior Championship the next year becauee of league position. Can't do that in Cavan. Swings and roundabouts.
Half time Cill na Martra 0-4 Patrick's Cullyhanna 1-5. the experienced John Evans on the sideline won't be happy by the manner of how that goal was conceded, defender should have done better.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 14, 2024, 04:04:11 PMHalf time Cill na Martra 0-4 Patrick's Cullyhanna 1-5. the experienced John Evans on the sideline won't be happy by the manner of how that goal was conceded, defender should have done better.
To be fair it was great strength by the Cullyhanna man before he laid it off to Nugent.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 14, 2024, 03:58:26 PMIs the Cullyhanna kit relatively unique or do you see it up and down the country? There's Cullyhanna & Abbey CBS in those colours locally, not 10miles from each other but I'm not sure I've seen another team in that kit??
Lurgan rugby club have the same colours
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 14, 2024, 04:07:00 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 14, 2024, 04:04:11 PMHalf time Cill na Martra 0-4 Patrick's Cullyhanna 1-5. the experienced John Evans on the sideline won't be happy by the manner of how that goal was conceded, defender should have done better.
To be fair it was great strength by the Cullyhanna man before he laid it off to Nugent.
Number 4 should have contested the ball it was poor defending.
Very cagey opening with both sides getting a lot of bodies back and seemingly content to play slow building attacks. The goal is the main difference in the sides so far and Nugent after a quiet enough opening 10 minutes has found his shooting boots with 1-2.
Cullyhanna look to be in control after a tentative opening 10 mins. Seem a lot more organised, patient and able to punch holes in the Cill na Martra defence. Hopefully the match opens up a bit more in second half.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 04:13:40 PMVery cagey opening with both sides getting a lot of bodies back and seemingly content to play slow building attacks. The goal is the main difference in the sides so far and Nugent after a quiet enough opening 10 minutes has found his shooting boots with 1-2.
1-3 he has i think. If McQuillan gets going Cullyhanna should win. Hard man to stop without fouling and anything within 40-50 yards Nugent will pop over.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 14, 2024, 04:07:07 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 14, 2024, 03:58:26 PMIs the Cullyhanna kit relatively unique or do you see it up and down the country? There's Cullyhanna & Abbey CBS in those colours locally, not 10miles from each other but I'm not sure I've seen another team in that kit??
Lurgan rugby club have the same colours
La Salle school west Belfast has same colours
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 04:16:26 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 04:13:40 PMVery cagey opening with both sides getting a lot of bodies back and seemingly content to play slow building attacks. The goal is the main difference in the sides so far and Nugent after a quiet enough opening 10 minutes has found his shooting boots with 1-2.
1-3 he has i think. If McQuillan gets going Cullyhanna should win. Hard man to stop without fouling and anything within 40-50 yards Nugent will pop over.
You're right, he scored a great free kick off his left before half time. McQuillan has been quiet so far but
he is a moments player and can have a big impact in this second half.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:17:28 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 14, 2024, 03:12:03 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:07:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 03:02:58 PMAw lads not this again.
It's fairly straight forward.. how can anyone come on here and say that Arva playing div 1 football has been not pivotal to what they achieved this year. They are a fantastic team but the Cavan man is burying his head in the sand saying it had no bearing what so ever... must have been the 15 point hammerings in the champ that made them all ire champs
You're the one with your head in the sand. Finishing bottom of Division 1 does not make them a Senior team. They got promoted after losing a Division 2 final. The fact you cannot figure out that league and championship is not linked in unreal. Arva got relegated to Junior in 2021 and lost the Junior final last year. They're not Senior standard as the results show. They're where they are on Championship results. Now drop it. Team wins a good All Ireland and you're crying here immediately as you can't understand they're not linked
So, playing div 1 teams has no bearing on their preparation? You think if they played div 3 football this year they still would have won today? Answer me that
Did anyone say it didn't? Of course it did. But managing to smudge a promotion in League when it is disconnected, played during inter county season, and teams don't fully engage it (which is a serious point of debate here that the League has been downgraded). The fact remains that promotion is through Championship, and they were where they were on results which were pretty poor last 3 or 4 years before this current season. You'll have to accept Championship as the bigger arbiter here. League not being taken seriously during county season and getting promoted losing a final isn't it. Is this hard to understand?
Cill na Marta forward line need step up if to have a chance been very poor.
This is nothing to write home about. Poor enough.
Cill Na Martra very poor up front, some amount of wides.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 04:35:52 PMCill Na Martra very poor up front, some amount of wides.
Awful shooting.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 04:35:52 PMCill Na Martra very poor up front, some amount of wides.
They are dreadful. Two more poor wides.
Cill Na Martia no 2 with his second point. Showing the forwards how to do it.
Well done Cullyhanna. Better side. More clinical.
Well done to Cullyhanna.
Cullyhanna deserved winners. Their defence did well as Cill Na Martra could have had 2 goals.
Congratulations to Patrick's Cullyhanna. 3-3 in a poor quality 2nd half so that 4 point lead at half time proved the difference.
Cill na Martra just 0-7 from about 30 attempts will know that's not good enough to win any game never mind All-Ireland final.
Congratulations to the Cullies, great to see it. Cullyhanna game management very good but hard enough to watch. CNM hit enough wides to win 2 games, you could see the confidence draining from them with each wide. Jason Duffy gets MOTM, he'd a great game, Aidan Nugent's quiet 2nd half done him out of it.
Just the Glen to make it 3 from 3
That would send someone to orbit though
Two nice speeches by winning captains today.
Well done Cullyhanna. Great speech.
Speech is brilliant
They don't make cups like they used to
Superb from Cullyhanna. Well deserved
They have lost the handle altogether.
Typical😎
Won't be a gallon of diesel washed in the country for a month. Well done men.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 14, 2024, 04:46:00 PMCill Na Martia no 2 with his second point. Showing the forwards how to do it.
felt bad for him kicked three points that was one of worst performances I have seen from a collective forward line in croke park.well done cullyhanna hopefully they take big belief from this and can be a big player in Armagh senior championship this year.
Well done to Arva and to Finbar O'Reilly.
Quote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 05:17:42 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 14, 2024, 04:46:00 PMCill Na Martia no 2 with his second point. Showing the forwards how to do it.
felt bad for him kicked three points that was one of worst performances I have seen from a collective forward line in croke park.well done cullyhanna hopefully they take big belief from this and can be a big player in Armagh senior championship this year.
I'll be backing them anyway. Maybe wait and see if they struggle in the league to get good odds.
Ulster 2/3 so far. Up Glen
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 05:19:46 PMUlster 2/3 so far. Up Glen
Kilkenny going for 3/3 in the hurling
Glad to see the Kerry Intermediate B Champions beaten in the Junior Final.
Quote from: farset on January 14, 2024, 05:25:49 PMSomeone needs to take the mic of John Evans, manager of Cill na Martra.
what did he say? Didnt watch.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Crazy statement in my opinion. I'd expect Cross,CE, clan na Gael, Madden, granemore, ballymacnab, harps, killeavy, silverbridge to beat Arva comfortably. I'd be reasonably confident that the rest of our senior clubs would also have too much for them. Arva would be a division 2A side at best I'd imagine given that they'd be playing league without their county players.
Quote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 05:53:07 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Crazy statement in my opinion. I'd expect Cross,CE, clan na Gael, Madden, granemore, ballymacnab, harps, killeavy, silverbridge to beat Arva comfortably. I'd be reasonably confident that the rest of our senior clubs would also have too much for them. Arva would be a division 2A side at best I'd imagine given that they'd be playing league without their county players.
I wouldn't be confident any of our teams bar Cross would beat them in championship football given how easily Cross won Armagh and how easily they were beat in Ulster.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 06:04:29 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 05:53:07 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Crazy statement in my opinion. I'd expect Cross,CE, clan na Gael, Madden, granemore, ballymacnab, harps, killeavy, silverbridge to beat Arva comfortably. I'd be reasonably confident that the rest of our senior clubs would also have too much for them. Arva would be a division 2A side at best I'd imagine given that they'd be playing league without their county players.
I wouldn't be confident any of our teams bar Cross would beat them in championship football given how easily Cross won Armagh and how easily they were beat in Ulster.
I expect Trillick would beat Arva a lot more comfortably than they would Clann Eireann. That said, we'll never know!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 06:04:29 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 05:53:07 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Crazy statement in my opinion. I'd expect Cross,CE, clan na Gael, Madden, granemore, ballymacnab, harps, killeavy, silverbridge to beat Arva comfortably. I'd be reasonably confident that the rest of our senior clubs would also have too much for them. Arva would be a division 2A side at best I'd imagine given that they'd be playing league without their county players.
I wouldn't be confident any of our teams bar Cross would beat them in championship football given how easily Cross won Armagh and how easily they were beat in Ulster.
Should Arva have played intermediate then considering Armagh football is shite and their intermediate team won the final today?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 06:04:29 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 05:53:07 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:54:29 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2024, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 02:50:05 PMPlaying Div 1 has served Arva well
Hopefully more try it to take on the kerry juggernaut annually
I'd say both those teams would be top 3 or 4 in Armagh.
Crazy statement in my opinion. I'd expect Cross,CE, clan na Gael, Madden, granemore, ballymacnab, harps, killeavy, silverbridge to beat Arva comfortably. I'd be reasonably confident that the rest of our senior clubs would also have too much for them. Arva would be a division 2A side at best I'd imagine given that they'd be playing league without their county players.
I wouldn't be confident any of our teams bar Cross would beat them in championship football given how easily Cross won Armagh and how easily they were beat in Ulster.
Should Arva have played intermediate then considering Armagh football is shite and their intermediate team won the final today?
Cullyhanna are a senior team. Along with Clann Eireann and Clan na Gael they'll probably be Crossmaglen's nearest challengers in 2024.
The fact we link our championship to league meant they were punished for having county players unavailable and got relegated via league position. Fair play to them though for making the most of it, delighted they won.
Cavan's system is much better, and fairer, in my opinion.
I'll be backing Cullyhanna for Armagh next year.
Well done to Cullyhanna, that victory was built on a very solid defence and although Cill Na Martra hit a lot of wides a lot of it was down to disciplined defending.
They could carry that momentum through and compete to win a senior championship next season. I'm sure that will be the last thing on their minds over the next few days though.
Great winning speech as well from both captains as well today.
What teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 05:19:20 PMQuote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 05:17:42 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 14, 2024, 04:46:00 PMCill Na Martia no 2 with his second point. Showing the forwards how to do it.
felt bad for him kicked three points that was one of worst performances I have seen from a collective forward line in croke park.well done cullyhanna hopefully they take big belief from this and can be a big player in Armagh senior championship this year.
I'll be backing them anyway. Maybe wait and see if they struggle in the league to get good odds.
I would imagine they will struggle early rounds of the league more so and be building towards championship and stronger once Armagh are out.
Well done to Cullyhanna the first ever Armagh team to win the Intermediate All-Ireland title. Wouldn't have said before that 1-8 would likely be enough to win however it was because that Cork team got worse in front of the posts the longer the game when on.
Just need Glen to win next Sunday for the Ulster trio in All-Ireland success
Quote from: farset on January 14, 2024, 07:26:57 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 05:31:01 PMQuote from: farset on January 14, 2024, 05:25:49 PMSomeone needs to take the mic of John Evans, manager of Cill na Martra.
what did he say? Didnt watch.
He basically threw a few lads under the bus in an old fashioned, amateurish way. Don't think he meant to come across harsh but basically said that two or three of his lads who do all the scoring didn't turn up and that he took a few of them off for that reason.
That adds to his very confident pre-match interview where he said that he's going to give Cullyhanna hell and he thinks they'll beat them.
They came up against a defensively organised team and didn't have a plan to counteract them. Too much faffing about around Cullyhannas defensive arc and very slow in the third quarter (due to Cullyhanna's system). He said that normally he coaches them for the "one twos and scores" but that the lads didn't show up.
I want to repeat that it didn't have malice behind it. Rather and old-fashioned take on the game as if he was talking in the pub after the game and not taking the consideration that they were club players on their biggest day ever in Croker.
Didn't think it was that bad.
Cullyhanna should have a bit of additional swagger about then in Armagh this upcoming season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Quote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Quote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
If they are relegated then they are playing div 2 surely?
My idea is that if you are div 2 you play intermediate if you are playing in div 1 you can play intermediate but you'll not represent your county in the provincial series and beyond.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
Quote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
Yeah not sure when the last game an Armagh won was if ever. And as good as Cullyhanna were, Pearse Og's really put it up to them in the semi in Armagh and but for injuries this year I'd say Culloville would have ran them very close as well. Think Culloville actually beat them in one of the last league games to win the league.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 08:40:43 PMQuote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
Yeah not sure when the last game an Armagh won was if ever. And as good as Cullyhanna were, Pearse Og's really put it up to them in the semi in Armagh and but for injuries this year I'd say Culloville would have ran them very close as well. Think Culloville actually beat them in one of the last league games to win the league.
yes they beat them in Cullyhanna with their county men playing which was effectively a league decider
Quote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
Likely because you have to go all the way back to 2011 for the last time an Armagh intermediate team won a
game outside of the county. Makes Cullyhanna's achievement all the more exceptional. Fair fucks to them.
Quote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
There was no relegation in Armagh over Covid. To remedy this three teams were relegated in 2022 from Senior to Intermediate league instead of 2, of which Cullyhanna were one.
They would have played almost all of the league without the county men and others listed above didn't play at all. I don't mind the keeper playing either. That's 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15 from today's side.
Cullyhanna were beaten in an Armagh Senior final in 2016. 9 of those who played a part today started in that game.
To be fair to Cullyhanna they submitted a proposal to change the relegation structure in Armagh to a play off style system where county commitments would be over and clubs would have a full deck to choose from (which almost certainly would have kept them in senior football if it had been in place in 2022). But they have made the most of it and fair play to them.
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on January 15, 2024, 12:11:25 AMQuote from: statto on January 14, 2024, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:54 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
Me either, but I know that Cullyhanna used it as a kick up the hole to motivate themselves to today. By their own admission standards had dropped to the floor within the squad and they found themselves down. They got themselves organised and committed and look where it got them.
The Armagh grading system is about as equitable as you could get. It's based on performance over the course of a season and linked to League position. It's fair to say it probably hampered Cullyhanna having 3 county players which was a big part in their League form dipping. But there were other factors as well and they most certainly didn't manufacture a situation to get themselves relegated. They were there because they simply lost too many games but it was a perfect storm as they were always too good to be playing intermediate. However you only get one chance to make hay at the lower grades and they took it with both hands and that can't do Armagh football any harm.
Cullyhanna had a number of players who weren't available to them who started today.Mccooey, Donnelly, Murray and Connell would not have been playing whenever they were relegated.In addition to that 3 county men. If you put 7 players of that quality into any team they are going to improve it significantly. Would agree the system in Armagh is fair and the circumstances with cullyhanna was probably a one off. The Armagh intermediate championship was been the most competitive championship in Armagh for as long as I can remember outside of this year.Before this year I can't remember an Armagh team actually winning a game in Ulster.
There was no relegation in Armagh over Covid. To remedy this three teams were relegated in 2022 from Senior to Intermediate league instead of 2, of which Cullyhanna were one.
They would have played almost all of the league without the county men and others listed above didn't play at all. I don't mind the keeper playing either. That's 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15 from today's side.
Cullyhanna were beaten in an Armagh Senior final in 2016. 9 of those who played a part today started in that game.
To be fair to Cullyhanna they submitted a proposal to change the relegation structure in Armagh to a play off style system where county commitments would be over and clubs would have a full deck to choose from (which almost certainly would have kept them in senior football if it had been in place in 2022). But they have made the most of it and fair play to them.
The proposal you mention should be adopted as it would make the system a lot fairer. I'd imagine it's something that we'll see introduced over the next few years.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 08:17:25 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
If they are relegated then they are playing div 2 surely?
My idea is that if you are div 2 you play intermediate if you are playing in div 1 you can play intermediate but you'll not represent your county in the provincial series and beyond.
Has some merit, but I think some posters on here are making far too much of this.
As someone else said, everyone wants to play at the highest level they can, arva have never won a cavan championship before, there are 26 teams above them in championship in Cavan. They are playing junior because for whatever reason they lost last year's junior final, the team who beat them, drumlane had a middling intermediate campaign (despite only losing the Ulster junior final on pens last year).
Of course there's going to be differences in standards between counties, especially since there are so many different systems in place. Some counties have 16 teams per championship, some have 8. It seems that most are now moving from the direct league and championship link, so that will probably even things a bit. But at the end of the day, if you're in junior or intermediate, you're unlikely to be a Dublin super club and a run to an all Ireland final is going to be great for the local community and it might spark a revival of interest, standards and provide memories and stories for years to come!
You said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county
And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.
Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county
And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.
Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up
I agree with this. I do like the Armagh set up - I may be bias - but I think it is generally fair. Cullyhanna were an aberration this year as they are basically a senior team but due to circumstances the last couple of years were relegated to 2A - basically division 3 - so were an intermediate club
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2024, 07:54:14 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county
And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.
Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up
I agree with this. I do like the Armagh set up - I may be bias - but I think it is generally fair. Cullyhanna were an aberration this year as they are basically a senior team but due to circumstances the last couple of years were relegated to 2A - basically division 3 - so were an intermediate club
I like it too. Only change would be to go back to knock out championship instead of groups.
Said it a thousand times before but Cullyhanna deserved to go down, but when they did they got their act together and will be one of the too senior clubs come championship time next year.
There's maybe an argument that our lower level senior clubs could and should be intermediate and some lower intermediate clubs could and should be junior. Would leave us more competitive maybe at provincial level if we went 12 senior, 12 intermediate and 12 junior with the remainder junior b and it would give the weaker junior clubs a chance at a championship.
Quote from: onefineday on January 15, 2024, 12:41:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 08:17:25 PMQuote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 07:45:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 07:02:03 PMWhat teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?
Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run
Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior
You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently
Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.
If they are relegated then they are playing div 2 surely?
My idea is that if you are div 2 you play intermediate if you are playing in div 1 you can play intermediate but you'll not represent your county in the provincial series and beyond.
Has some merit, but I think some posters on here are making far too much of this.
As someone else said, everyone wants to play at the highest level they can, arva have never won a cavan championship before, there are 26 teams above them in championship in Cavan. They are playing junior because for whatever reason they lost last year's junior final, the team who beat them, drumlane had a middling intermediate campaign (despite only losing the Ulster junior final on pens last year).
Of course there's going to be differences in standards between counties, especially since there are so many different systems in place. Some counties have 16 teams per championship, some have 8. It seems that most are now moving from the direct league and championship link, so that will probably even things a bit. But at the end of the day, if you're in junior or intermediate, you're unlikely to be a Dublin super club and a run to an all Ireland final is going to be great for the local community and it might spark a revival of interest, standards and provide memories and stories for years to come!
Would linking it not even it?
The split seasons screws the leagues up with county player unavailability, especially for smaller clubs, so the league rankings are not going to be a true reflection.
Antrim are currently trying to push through championship relegation as opposed to league position. Same will happen across the board I would say.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2024, 09:06:29 AMThe split seasons screws the leagues up with county player unavailability, especially for smaller clubs, so the league rankings are not going to be a true reflection.
Antrim are currently trying to push through championship relegation as opposed to league position. Same will happen across the board I would say.
Just have relegation playoffs with co players. In Monaghan bottom of the league plays the 2nd bottom of relegation group from championship.
Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
It's not just th'oul league. It is everything.If 2 flies were on a window and one of them was a Derry or Armagh wan it would be no different.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Prefer to put value on all games, and not having club players training for 7 months before playing a game with any value attached
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
I'd say the rest wouldn't like to be grouped with you.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 10:36:16 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2024, 07:54:14 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county
And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.
Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up
I agree with this. I do like the Armagh set up - I may be bias - but I think it is generally fair. Cullyhanna were an aberration this year as they are basically a senior team but due to circumstances the last couple of years were relegated to 2A - basically division 3 - so were an intermediate club
I'm also from Armagh and have the complete opposite opinion. I don't like how closely linked the league and championship are, especially the seeding system we also apply when doing the draw for the group stages.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 11:12:26 AMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 10:36:16 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.
That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 11:23:54 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 11:12:26 AMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 10:36:16 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.
That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?
Like in Kerry?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 11:23:54 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 11:12:26 AMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 10:36:16 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.
That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?
It's highly unlikely any of the Junior Clubs'1st teams would ever get that high up the Leagues.
A D1 team might win Inter once in a while alright if they'd only lost Senior status the year before.
But there's no formal link between the Leagues and Championships.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 12:05:18 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 11:23:54 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 11:12:26 AMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 10:36:16 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?
The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.
That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?
It's highly unlikely any of the Junior Clubs'1st teams would ever get that high up the Leagues.
A D1 team might win Inter once in a while alright if they'd only lost Senior status the year before.
But there's no formal link between the Leagues and Championships.
Happened in Cavan this year..
I've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
Simple raw data suggests you're wrong here.
Over the past 20 years:
SFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 4 counties represented in the final.
IFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
JFC had winners from 8 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
It's basically a dead heat.
So whatever theory you have about streamlines, authenticity and balance, it surely must be as valid for the SFC as the other pair.
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Jez wobbler, take a look at how many clubs from Kerry have made the junior and intermediate finals never mind winning it, thats because of how their championship is structured. 8 senior teams in their senior championship, making the knock on effect of pushing strong teams down to intermediate and junior levels, meanwhile most counties have 16 senior teams making their lower grades weaker. Feck its not hard to figure out man.
Quote from: shawshank on January 15, 2024, 01:09:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Jez wobbler, take a look at how many clubs from Kerry have made the junior and intermediate finals never mind winning it, thats because of how their championship is structured. 8 senior teams in their senior championship, making the knock on effect of pushing strong teams down to intermediate and junior levels, meanwhile most counties have 16 senior teams making their lower grades weaker. Feck its not hard to figure out man.
I'm not telling you how they do things in Kerry is fair.
What I'm suggesting is that the ultimate outcome is every bit as balanced as the SFC, based on a sample of the past 20 years.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: shawshank on January 15, 2024, 01:09:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Jez wobbler, take a look at how many clubs from Kerry have made the junior and intermediate finals never mind winning it, thats because of how their championship is structured. 8 senior teams in their senior championship, making the knock on effect of pushing strong teams down to intermediate and junior levels, meanwhile most counties have 16 senior teams making their lower grades weaker. Feck its not hard to figure out man.
I'm not telling you how they do things in Kerry is fair.
What I'm suggesting is that the ultimate outcome is every bit as balanced as the SFC, based on a sample of the past 20 years.
Which to me means:
1. If it's really not fair, it seems are plenty of clubs capable of sandbagging their way into a lower championship across Ireland.
2. You cannot have an egalitarian championship. No matter what you do, you will end up with large urban clubs playing against small clubs with a couple of superstars. That's just football.
3. Both the club JFC and IFC have a superiors dispersal of prizes than county football.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:04:38 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
Simple raw data suggests you're wrong here.
Over the past 20 years:
SFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 4 counties represented in the final.
IFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
JFC had winners from 8 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
It's basically a dead heat.
So whatever theory you have about streamlines, authenticity and balance, it surely must be as valid for the SFC as the other pair.
have a think about it and come back...
And also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.
I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.
Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.
In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.
12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:20:10 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:04:38 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
Simple raw data suggests you're wrong here.
Over the past 20 years:
SFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 4 counties represented in the final.
IFC has had winners from 9 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
JFC had winners from 8 counties, and a further 5 counties represented in the final.
It's basically a dead heat.
So whatever theory you have about streamlines, authenticity and balance, it surely must be as valid for the SFC as the other pair.
have a think about it and come back...
I do not have the foggiest what you're getting at.
Just look at how many clubs are in Cork vs how many there are in Fermanagh. It's never going to be fair barring the senior. Just get on with it and enjoy it for what it is.
I doubt anyone whos ever won a junior or intermediate provincial or all ireland gives a flying f**k about the grading.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene
Why do they need to align league and championship? They're separate competitions. County players are not available for league so why are people so fixated about weighting the championship on league positions? I've literally never talked to anyone with a problem on how the league and championships are run. If championship relegation was forced on my club because some other club with no county players performed better in the league I'd be absolutely livid.
Anomalies are always going to happen and could be much worse if league positions were given preference. For example, Gowna are the top club in Cavan, a half parish with a small young squad and a couple of lads in their 40s. Should have beaten Donegal champions in Ulster. I would say they have at least 8 players there that would be on the Cavan panel if they commit. Without those lads they'd struggle in league. It would be moronic to put those lads off playing for county or god forbid, have that club playing intermediate because they had a heap of lads away for league.
I understand posters here from other counties are not familiar with Cavan club scene, but if anyone from Cavan described Arva as a good Division 1 team, they'd be calling the men in white coats.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 01:37:39 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene
Why do they need to align league and championship? They're separate competitions. County players are not available for league so why are people so fixated about weighting the championship on league positions? I've literally never talked to anyone with a problem on how the league and championships are run. If championship relegation was forced on my club because some other club with no county players performed better in the league I'd be absolutely livid.
Anomalies are always going to happen and could be much worse if league positions were given preference. For example, Gowna are the top club in Cavan, a half parish with a small young squad and a couple of lads in their 40s. Should have beaten Donegal champions in Ulster. I would say they have at least 8 players there that would be on the Cavan panel if they commit. Without those lads they'd struggle in league. It would be moronic to put those lads off playing for county or god forbid, have that club playing intermediate because they had a heap of lads away for league.
I understand posters here from other counties are not familiar with Cavan club scene, but if anyone from Cavan described Arva as a good Division 1 team, they'd be calling the men in white coats.
I get where you're coming from, but answer me this. How can a team be in the top tier for the league, (played mostly without their county men) then come championship time they get their county men back and suddenly they are a third tier team?
Ok in Arvas case they are in the lower end of the division 1 league but plenty of other clubs have been high ranked D1 teams in their county but played at lower championship level.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.
I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.
Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.
In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.
12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.
Your logic has no place around here..
Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.
Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
AI Finalists in Junior and Intermediate
Junior Intermediate
Cavan 3 0
Mayo 5 4
Meath 2 2
Cork 3 3
Kerry 15 9
Tyrone 6 5
Galway 3 5
UK 2 0
Kildare 1 0
Ros 1 2
W'meath 1 0
Sligo 1 0
Wexford 1 0
Armagh 0 1
Derry 0 2
Mon 0 3
Antrim 0 1
Ferm 0 1
Dublin 0 1
Donegal 0 1
Anyone not listed has never appeared in an AI final in either grade. The numbers speak for themselves on where the issue is.
No starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2024, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.
I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.
Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.
In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.
12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.
Your logic has no place around here..
Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.
Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
theres always gonna be no hopers. Say you that then the 23rd or 24th ranked club will have little or no chance of winning the IFC and so on. West Ham are never gonna win the premier league, Louth ain't winning an all ireland, Waterford arent going to win the tailteann cup.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:31 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2024, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.
I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.
Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.
In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.
12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.
Your logic has no place around here..
Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.
Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
theres always gonna be no hopers. Say you that then the 23rd or 24th ranked club will have little or no chance of winning the IFC and so on. West Ham are never gonna win the premier league, Louth ain't winning an all ireland, Waterford arent going to win the tailteann cup.
Exactly, im pretty sure most counties have 2/3 teams that have a serious chance of winning their county championship every year it doesnt mean the rest of the clubs shouldn't bother playing. we get caught up in 'winning' championships. For some clubs competing in their championship is enough. it's all about being realistic. for some senior clubs getting to a county semi final will be seen as a great year for others getting out of a group will be a success. Im sure that would be a bigger success for mid table div 1 clubs rather than dropping down and winning a IFC against teams they superior to
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:45:49 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 01:37:39 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene
Why do they need to align league and championship? They're separate competitions. County players are not available for league so why are people so fixated about weighting the championship on league positions? I've literally never talked to anyone with a problem on how the league and championships are run. If championship relegation was forced on my club because some other club with no county players performed better in the league I'd be absolutely livid.
Anomalies are always going to happen and could be much worse if league positions were given preference. For example, Gowna are the top club in Cavan, a half parish with a small young squad and a couple of lads in their 40s. Should have beaten Donegal champions in Ulster. I would say they have at least 8 players there that would be on the Cavan panel if they commit. Without those lads they'd struggle in league. It would be moronic to put those lads off playing for county or god forbid, have that club playing intermediate because they had a heap of lads away for league.
I understand posters here from other counties are not familiar with Cavan club scene, but if anyone from Cavan described Arva as a good Division 1 team, they'd be calling the men in white coats.
I get where you're coming from, but answer me this. How can a team be in the top tier for the league, (played mostly without their county men) then come championship time they get their county men back and suddenly they are a third tier team?
Ok in Arvas case they are in the lower end of the division 1 league but plenty of other clubs have been high ranked D1 teams in their county but played at lower championship level.
Absolutely no idea and it doesn't bother me TBH. League is league and championship is championship. In Cavan anyway, you often see teams go well in league and flop come championship and vice versa. It's a completely different level of competition and the true gauge of where a club is at. In Arva's case they were well out of their depth in league. They struggled to win Junior for a few years but they had lads off form and a major injury. Some of their bigger names are back and playing well and a few young lads are making an impact so the timing for them has been brilliant. This is huge where you're dealing with small clubs and numbers and just one of those things. Certainly nothing sinister that needs addressing or "fixing". I'd be more worried TBH going down that route and throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
Its quite clear from the data, that if you wanted to fix one thing in the AI intermediate and Junior Championships it is the Kerry system and how it is "inherently" flawed. Trying to make rules to prevent unusual rare occurrences is silly.
Read somewhere over the weekend that the Cork intermediate hurling winners would be the 25th best team in Cork and their junior winners would be their 50th best team in Cork so I'm presuming out of that they've 24 senior clubs between Premier (12 teams) and A (12 teams) grades and similar in Intermediate.
Now there's a huge amount of clubs, regional teams in Cork so maybe that works for them in terms of giving each club a standard they can hope to achieve something in and with both their junior and intermediate champions getting to an AI final albeit both were beaten by their Kilkenny equivalents who'd be the 13th graded team and the 24th graded team respectively based on the fact they've 36 teams in Kilkenny..
there's no quick fix to this
Around 8% of Clubs play in the Provincials/AIs.
Half of them play 1 game.
24 Clubs play in the AIs, around 1% of Clubs.
So not really anything for us to be getting wound up about.
I'm curious about the Cavan Leagues though....the bottom team not being relegated???
Quote from: johnnycool on January 15, 2024, 02:39:33 PMRead somewhere over the weekend that the Cork intermediate hurling winners would be the 25th best team in Cork and their junior winners would be their 50th best team in Cork so I'm presuming out of that they've 24 senior clubs between Premier (12 teams) and A (12 teams) grades and similar in Intermediate.
Now there's a huge amount of clubs, regional teams in Cork so maybe that works for them in terms of giving each club a standard they can hope to achieve something in and with both their junior and intermediate champions getting to an AI final albeit both were beaten by their Kilkenny equivalents who'd be the 13th graded team and the 24th graded team respectively based on the fact they've 36 teams in Kilkenny..
there's no quick fix to this
Exactly. Neither county really doing anything wrong there are they?
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2024, 01:51:25 PMAI Finalists in Junior and Intermediate
Junior Intermediate
Cavan 3 0
Mayo 5 4
Meath 2 2
Cork 3 3
Kerry 15 9
Tyrone 6 5
Galway 3 5
UK 2 0
Kildare 1 0
Ros 1 2
W'meath 1 0
Sligo 1 0
Wexford 1 0
Armagh 0 1
Derry 0 2
Mon 0 3
Antrim 0 1
Ferm 0 1
Dublin 0 1
Donegal 0 1
Anyone not listed has never appeared in an AI final in either grade. The numbers speak for themselves on where the issue is.
Kerry clearly the outlier here, either Kerry is made go to a 12-16 team senior championship or the remaining counties go to 8 the same as Kerry, and naturally the knock on effect to intermediate and junior. The stats don't lie.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 03:04:54 PMAround 8% of Clubs play in the Provincials/AIs.
Half of them play 1 game.
24 Clubs play in the AIs, around 1% of Clubs.
So notvreallyvanything fir us to be getting wound up about.
I'm curious about the Cavan Leagues though....the bottom team not being relegated???
Actually this year the bottom 2 won their playoff game and survived :) :) :)
Next 2 up went down. I'm guessing this is not normal!!!
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:31 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2024, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.
I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.
Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.
In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.
12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.
Your logic has no place around here..
Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.
Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
theres always gonna be no hopers. Say you that then the 23rd or 24th ranked club will have little or no chance of winning the IFC and so on. West Ham are never gonna win the premier league, Louth ain't winning an all ireland, Waterford arent going to win the tailteann cup.
You have a point to a degree, maybe I phrased it wrong. Teams should have a good shot at competing I suppose would be the best way to put it?
The reason we went down to 8 clubs in Kerry SFC is there were 3/4 clubs getting whacked and it was doing nothing for them or the quality of the championship. Hence the cut was made. Now the quality of clubs has risen again and the Intermediate is too strong so need to go back to 10 Senior clubs possibly. Croke park are blocking this though as they say you can only have 16 teams. There are 8 divisional teams.
In my view (and many share it down here) there is nothing wrong with increasing to 10 Senior clubs, keeping 8 divisions but have them play off amongst themselves and get down to 2-4 of divisions. Then start the SFC knockout.
The knock-on effect at Intermediate and Junior would be significant.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:55:26 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?
No. But the number of clubs we have hold us back which dilutes the overall standard of the club game. Plus a lot of our county plyers are not exposed to senior club football. I'd like to see an additional divisional county championship, like they have in Kerry, where every player in the county is eligible if good enough.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 04:02:28 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:55:26 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?
No. But the number of clubs we have hold us back which dilutes the overall standard of the club game. Plus a lot of our county plyers are not exposed to senior club football. I'd like to see an additional divisional county championship, like they have in Kerry, where every player in the county is eligible if good enough.
That's mad. I'd argue yous are so poor because there's not actually meaningful games to play... 5 champ games a year ... you don't care about the league so where does the quality come from?
I think that's how Monaghan produce a decent team and players, because of the structures in the county provide games with jeopardy and meaning!
The fixation of champ in Cavan means no one cares about the league and everyone waits for the co men to come back ...
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 04:06:59 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 04:02:28 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:55:26 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?
No. But the number of clubs we have hold us back which dilutes the overall standard of the club game. Plus a lot of our county plyers are not exposed to senior club football. I'd like to see an additional divisional county championship, like they have in Kerry, where every player in the county is eligible if good enough.
That's mad. I'd argue yous are so poor because there's not actually meaningful games to play... 5 champ games a year ... you don't care about the league so where does the quality come from?
I think that's how Monaghan produce a decent team and players, because of the structures in the county provide games with jeopardy and meaning!
The fixation of champ in Cavan means no one cares about the league and everyone waits for the co men to come back ...
And Tyrone
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 04:06:59 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 04:02:28 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:55:26 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.
Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?
No. But the number of clubs we have hold us back which dilutes the overall standard of the club game. Plus a lot of our county plyers are not exposed to senior club football. I'd like to see an additional divisional county championship, like they have in Kerry, where every player in the county is eligible if good enough.
That's mad. I'd argue yous are so poor because there's not actually meaningful games to play... 5 champ games a year ... you don't care about the league so where does the quality come from?
I think that's how Monaghan produce a decent team and players, because of the structures in the county provide games with jeopardy and meaning!
The fixation of champ in Cavan means no one cares about the league and everyone waits for the co men to come back ...
I don't think so, like I said I think the bigger issue is the number of clubs. 40 in Cavan.
We still take the league games seriously enough, just not be all and end all and we try out more players and levels of fitness would be lower with training geared towards peaking for championship.
There's still incentive there, any player serious about upping his game and being in contention for championship can't arse about in the league. But come championship there's no holding back, that's why you sometimes see such swings in form, especially where a) squads are small or b)county men return
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 15, 2024, 05:00:54 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did
What I said was they targeted the league, this would have huge benefit over the years! Bad teams don't play Div 1 football. They get better and learn at a higher level. This has paid dividends this year playing better opposition and winning the junior champ.
They will prob win intermediate
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2024, 01:06:22 PMQuote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2024, 12:33:46 PMI've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.
100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry
Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene
Club has to be standardised both in terms of levels and finishing the season before Christmas.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 05:23:46 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 15, 2024, 05:00:54 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did
What I said was they targeted the league, this would have huge benefit over the years! Bad teams don't play Div 1 football. They get better and learn at a higher level. This has paid dividends this year playing better opposition and winning the junior champ.
They will prob win intermediate
"Targeted the league" My christ.
Do yourself a favour, quit looking for the grand plan. It doesn't exist.
You can't tell me you watched that game yesterday and think Arva are a senior club. Their forwards couldn't hit a barn door.
Division 1 league and junior at the same time is bizzare to me as a Tyrone man, and seriously throws the Ulster JFC into disrepute, but I can't see Arva winning Cavan IFC next year based on what I seen yesterday. They've a few brilliant individuals in a largely mediocre side.
Too strong for junior, and I would imagine this situation is an anomaly, but they're a run of the mill intermediate outfit as far as I can see. Bottom end Division 1 league and middling IFC next season would probably be fairly normal of what you'd expect when league and championships aren't linked, that's what I'd expect of them next year.
From gaastatsman. On what was a decent day for football and played on a perfect surface the shooting accuracy and shot selection for whatever reason wasn't the best.
Junior final
Arva total shots 26 and scores 13 (50%)
Listowel total shots 17 and scores 10 (58%)
Intermediate final
Cill na Martra total shots 29 scores 7 (24%)
Cullyhanna total shots 21 and scores 9 (42%)
Overall shots from the four teams 93 and scores 39.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 05:23:46 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 15, 2024, 05:00:54 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?
Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players
Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws
But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.
Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series
You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.
Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?
Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.
What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did
What I said was they targeted the league, this would have huge benefit over the years! Bad teams don't play Div 1 football. They get better and learn at a higher level. This has paid dividends this year playing better opposition and winning the junior champ.
They will prob win intermediate
They targeted the Junior last year and lost by a few points. How on earth do you think targeting the League suited them better? Let me tell you, no team in Cavan prefers league over Championship. It's Championship or nothing here
Oh and Drumlane beat Arva last year and should have won Ulster Junior, losing the final on penalties. In Intermediate year after, they sneaked into quarters in 8th place with 1 won from 4, and promptly got beat by 6 points in the quarters. Junior in Cavan is strong recently, with Denn winning Ulster in 2021 along with Drumlane narrowly losing and now Arva, but the gap to Intermediate is huge. No team in ages in Cavan has ever broached that gap quickly.
Arva have a big year ahead with little break. Like someone said above, their forward play is good for Junior and they have some strong players, but that's not good enough at Intermediate. I can't see them winning it next year. In 2 or 3, maybe. But that's it after they get used to this level. Last time they were there with mostly the same team they won one of 8 group games
It's good to see the All Irelands going to different counties. When is the last time a team from Cavan in any grade won an all Ireland ?
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 08:15:01 AMIt's good to see the All Irelands going to different counties. When is the last time a team from Cavan in any grade won an all Ireland ?
I think their manager said 1952 was the last time they won anything in Croker.
Did the county team not win any leagues in all their yoyo years there recently though?
They're division 3 champions.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2024, 09:02:04 AMThey're division 3 champions.
did they win 4 that year they were down as well?
They'd a string of Ulster winning u21 teams as well but not sure if any of them won the ai
They beat Tipp by a point in the final according to wiki. I don't think any of those U21 teams won the AI.I thought they won 3 or 4 in a row.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2024, 09:18:11 AMThey beat Tipp by a point in the final according to wiki. I don't think any of those U21 teams won the AI.I thought they won 3 or 4 in a row.
They won 4 in a row, but only made it to the AI final once.
Looks like there is no final this year now there is no Dublin team involved any more.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2023/6368/fixtures/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2023/6368/fixtures/)
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 08:15:01 AMIt's good to see the All Irelands going to different counties. When is the last time a team from Cavan in any grade won an all Ireland ?
We won the Junior in 2014, beat Kerry. But it was in Portlaoise.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 10:21:18 AMUlster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"
Field Marshal Slim: Nothing is ever as good or as bad as the first reports of excited men would have it .
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 08:59:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 08:15:01 AMIt's good to see the All Irelands going to different counties. When is the last time a team from Cavan in any grade won an all Ireland ?
I think their manager said 1952 was the last time they won anything in Croker.
Did the county team not win any leagues in all their yoyo years there recently though?
Last All Ireland Championship title by an adult team in Croker. Won Leagues, Junior All Ireland (not at Croker), Hogan Cup (St Pats Cavan won it there in 70s,the technical last time All Ireland title by a Cavan team there)
Leagues don't count imo unless Division 1 . Because it's 8 teams it is more like provincial status.
Arva winning an all Ireland is a big achievement that echoes back to the past.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
And coming from a club who has had senior success and did drop down, I can assure you, there was no discussion or appetite for a provincial run at the lower grade You can see the same in Derry now, where by all accounts newly relegated Ballinderry are fighting tooth and nail to get staying at senior, you'd have to think they would have a chance of going all the way were they to end up in intermediate. If the relegations are confirmed and they win a game or two, that idea might start to become more attractive, but it's not a grand plan.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:27:33 PMJust look at how many clubs are in Cork vs how many there are in Fermanagh. It's never going to be fair barring the senior. Just get on with it and enjoy it for what it is.
I doubt anyone whos ever won a junior or intermediate ;D provincial or all ireland gives a flying f**k about the grading.
Basically agree, but can't resist nit picking, fermanagh's only club success came at intermediate ;D
Some good data from wobbler, shows the Kerry anomaly needs fixed and really highlights the strength of football amongst Tyrone clubs too - big numbers in championships and linked to league and yet they're consistently strong - just not at senior ;D ;D
Quote from: onefineday on January 17, 2024, 12:21:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
And coming from a club who has had senior success and did drop down, I can assure you, there was no discussion or appetite for a provincial run at the lower grade You can see the same in Derry now, where by all accounts newly relegated Ballinderry are fighting tooth and nail to get staying at senior, you'd have to think they would have a chance of going all the way were they to end up in intermediate. If the relegations are confirmed and they win a game or two, that idea might start to become more attractive, but it's not a grand plan.
No, I'm sure we'd be the same, having a dip in fortunes our seniors are not at a level which would be considered the norm, and if we were relegated that's down to the team. If having to play intermediate though and manage to get a run, it could spark an interest/revival of sorts .
But like Balinderry, they ain't wanting that, you just take what's given
Quote from: onefineday on January 17, 2024, 12:21:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 07:38:55 AMYou said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.
That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives
Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival
And coming from a club who has had senior success and did drop down, I can assure you, there was no discussion or appetite for a provincial run at the lower grade You can see the same in Derry now, where by all accounts newly relegated Ballinderry are fighting tooth and nail to get staying at senior, you'd have to think they would have a chance of going all the way were they to end up in intermediate. If the relegations are confirmed and they win a game or two, that idea might start to become more attractive, but it's not a grand plan.
On what grounds are ballinderry fighting relegation we won an all Ireland 20 years ago so we don't play at that grade?Was the structure of the league/championship not outlined before a ball was kicked last year?Derry structure seems a bit of a mess with glenullin able to win back to back intermediate championships.
And all geared up a hattrick as far I'm aware.
https://thesidelineeye.com/2024/01/17/cullyhanna-propose-relegation-restructure/?fbclid=IwAR3ws0fyWigq0nL_-dHz1vgYVRWgHu255xw3cZ6UMXGTU-83a9aVN3nToDo_aem_AUnO2GJIXWfamBFZM8tjsfmF9_Q80NDnENirn6uxiROeOcR0cHEFr7zIQXqs9Ofx-zU
So Cullyhanna have proposed giving a chance for clubs finishing bottom 2 in the league to avoid relegation by winning play offs in the championship. I like this idea.
Wet and windy forecast for Sunday.
Advantage Glen?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2024, 07:26:41 PMWet and windy forecast for Sunday.
Advantage Glen?
Would be naomh brid be light on their feet?
The pitch won't be heavy, that will suit both teams? Or would Glen only be favourites on a soft bog?
No rain or wind out West?
Glen clearly at their best in heavy fog.
I expect this to be a lot closer than a lot of people expect. With so much at stake, finals tend to take on a life of their own and the fact that there is no real form line with clubs, it's hard to know what to expect. I think Glens experience and greater physicality might just about win the day but it wouldn't be a major shock if St Brigids won it either.
The big advantage Glen have is in that middle third of the pitch where they are very strong whilst Brigids in the games I have watched look to have the more dangerous inside forwards.
i know tg4 have done great things for club coverage but in reality this game should be on about 5pm on saturday on rte
Fóghlam Gaeilge!
There is now a named storm Isha on Sunday and it will be windy at the final, and likely wet as well.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 19, 2024, 10:43:04 AMi know tg4 have done great things for club coverage but in reality this game should be on about 5pm on saturday on rte
Why?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2024, 11:51:37 AMThere is now a named storm Isha on Sunday and it will be windy at the final, and likely wet as well.
Dublin usually avoids the worst of the storms but will likely be very windy, hopefully such weather doesn't ruin the two All Ireland finals. Expected attendance is 20,000 could be well down on that with the forecast.
We played a final in Croke with a swirling wind and it was freezing too.. Not nice as a supporter, even worse for the lads on the pitch, Croke pitch can generate a difficult wind for free takers
Really looking forward to Sunday. Are Sleacht Neill the only Derry wans who can speak the Gaeilge for the post match agallamh on TG4 ? Does Bronagh have any Gaeilge ?
A lot of talk about how young St brigids are but are they any younger than Glen?
100km/hr winds forecast for Sunday, could ruin both games unfortunately.
Take her to to Connacht dome
Will it be called off?
Quote from: ardtole on January 19, 2024, 07:31:06 PM100km/hr winds forecast for Sunday, could ruin both games unfortunately.
Did KC (I think) not play Bellaghy in '95 (iirc) and it was brutal. Advertising hoardings were blowing all over the pitch.
St Brigids look like a really good footballing side, but I think Glen gave more experience, versatility and adaptability if things go wrong at any stage, I think they'll win by 3 or 4 pts.
Glen are big favourites (rightly so) 4-11
From what I've seen of naomh Brid they are decent, if they play the way they did for 60 minutes like they did for the first 30 in the last game Glen will be get it tight.
That said, there's a composure about Glen and confidence they bring, no panic.
Should be a good final
Brian Stack was interviewed in the Irish times. He was 15 in 2013. That team is inspiring the current Brigids team. "when you see your own club doing it you can't but think that could be me one day".
4/11 Wattys is fine for Brigids. I don't think the betting reflects the relative strengths of the 2 teams.
2 very good sides and I would have Glen as slight favourites. Doubt there will be much in it but predict Glen to edge it in the last few minutes.
Quote from: Mario on January 19, 2024, 07:26:54 PMA lot of talk about how young St brigids are but are they any younger than Glen?
Don't know the age profile of Glen. 10 of Brigids starting team are aged 19 to 23 I believe.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 20, 2024, 02:09:57 PMQuote from: Mario on January 19, 2024, 07:26:54 PMA lot of talk about how young St brigids are but are they any younger than Glen?
Don't know the age profile of Glen. 10 of Brigids starting team are aged 19 to 23 I believe.
That is a credit to them. If they don't get over the line would be great to see them do it in the future.
Glen wouldn't be awful old either, think Glass is about 26 and most of the team would be made up of minor teams around his age.
The Wattys crowd all grew up together AFAIK
https://mobile.twitter.com/Doiregaa/status/1611045027785867265/
When I was a teen Glen played in the South Derry U-16 B league, although they probably were too good for that league. Bigger clubs just entered for the easy trophies.
I remember in 2005 in Bellaghy they deliberately injured our best player and he had to be taken away in an ambulance. One of our coaches overheard their manager tell the team to take the player out. There were some nasty people in those underage leagues from what I remember.
Here is part 1. The Bronagh interview
https://twitter.com/Doiregaa/status/1611045021662466050
Is Glen where the clubhouse is? Is the pitch in Maghera ?
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2024, 02:39:38 PMIs Glen where the clubhouse is? Is the pitch in Maghera ?
Sort of between the 2 along the main road.
I seem to recall upthread that Kilamcud were the housewives choice for the semi final on the basis of a better set of forwards. What else fed into the pre match odds?
Then Kilmacud didn't turn up until 10 minutes from the end.
In the other semi Brigids were well ahead at half time until Castlehaven put the turbos on but they closed the match out well.
I think the odds don't reflect the relative strengths of the 2 teams.
Derry teams seem to be like Cork teams in all Ireland final betting. The money is piled on Cork.
Finals on TG4? Or online anywhere?
I'm surprised these games are still on. Weather in Dublin is pretty awful at the minute, rain is coming in sideways and it's going to get worse with warnings around travel to issue both north and south shortly after game times. I'm not sure how this isn't postponed on public safety grounds for spectators apart from any considerations re the spectacle we'll have to endure.
Quote from: onefineday on January 21, 2024, 08:40:52 AMI'm surprised these games are still on. Weather in Dublin is pretty awful at the minute, rain is coming in sideways and it's going to get worse with warnings around travel to issue both north and south shortly after game times. I'm not sure how this isn't postponed on public safety grounds for spectators apart from any considerations re the spectacle we'll have to endure.
Was thinking the same myself. If they were going to postpone they'd want to do it ASAP or they'd be pissing off an awful lot of people who'd already be on the road.
Red warning now for Galway so Thomas' crowd can't travel...
I'd say that'll sweep in more too. They will have to call it now.
Quote from: onefineday on January 21, 2024, 08:40:52 AMI'm surprised these games are still on. Weather in Dublin is pretty awful at the minute, rain is coming in sideways and it's going to get worse with warnings around travel to issue both north and south shortly after game times. I'm not sure how this isn't postponed on public safety grounds for spectators apart from any considerations re the spectacle we'll have to endure.
GAA more interested in maintaining their fixture schedule than the welfare of players and supporters. We saw this for both semi finals in the football.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 21, 2024, 09:29:14 AMQuote from: onefineday on January 21, 2024, 08:40:52 AMI'm surprised these games are still on. Weather in Dublin is pretty awful at the minute, rain is coming in sideways and it's going to get worse with warnings around travel to issue both north and south shortly after game times. I'm not sure how this isn't postponed on public safety grounds for spectators apart from any considerations re the spectacle we'll have to endure.
GAA more interested in maintaining their fixture schedule than the welfare of players and supporters. We saw this for both semi finals in the football.
Yes HQ show little care for it's players and supporters so I'm not surprised these games are going ahead.
Definitely not a day for sitting in the lower deck of the Hogan or Cusack.
Red weather warning down parts of the west. It amazes me that the GAA wouldn't call it off in the interest of safety of supporters and players making the journey home this evening.
Quote from: Sportacus on January 21, 2024, 10:24:00 AMRed weather warning down parts of the west. It amazes me that the GAA wouldn't call it off in the interest of safety of supporters and players making the journey home this evening.
I don't think it should be called off for wind and rain. Far from ideal but it's January and there is no room in the schedule to move it.
Quote from: LC on January 21, 2024, 10:15:43 AMDefinitely not a day for sitting in the lower deck of the Hogan or Cusack.
Our tickets are for the lower rows of the Hogan but will likely pick a seat further up the stand. Looking at the forecast might avoid the worst weather during the game, travelling home in a storm isn't good, safe traveling to those attending.
Travelling in hope more than expectation. Only 7/8 turnovers against castlehaven... same again and in with a good chance.
A massive day for Maghera and Kiltoom.
I didn't know that Enda Gormley trained them from under 14 on. He is a legend of that club and Derry football.
May the best team win.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 21, 2024, 09:29:14 AMQuote from: onefineday on January 21, 2024, 08:40:52 AMI'm surprised these games are still on. Weather in Dublin is pretty awful at the minute, rain is coming in sideways and it's going to get worse with warnings around travel to issue both north and south shortly after game times. I'm not sure how this isn't postponed on public safety grounds for spectators apart from any considerations re the spectacle we'll have to endure.
GAA more interested in maintaining their fixture schedule than the welfare of players and supporters. We saw this for both semi finals in the football.
Another issue with the split season.
Wouldn't be the end of the world to play it next week. Safe travels to everyone anyway and hope for 2 good games
The fact that an early decision to call these matches off hasn't been made, makes me think that they are both going to go ahead. Hopefully the weather won't spoil what is one of the biggest days in the GAA calendar. I'm going for narrow wins for St Thomas in the hurling and Glen in the football who hopefully can complete the Ulster club treble.
Id of thought glen were on a didferent level to brigids but reading the comments in here ill hold off going in on the handicap bet .
According to the Irish Times Wattys are "unbackable"
This is a sea change since the run up to the KC match
Northern bookies must have taken in walls of cash.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2024, 12:05:45 PMThe fact that an early decision to call these matches off hasn't been made, makes me think that they are both going to go ahead. Hopefully the weather won't spoil what is one of the biggest days in the GAA calendar. I'm going for narrow wins for St Thomas in the hurling and Glen in the football who hopefully can complete the Ulster club treble.
Bit late calling it off now.
Red warning in the west and the ladies game hasnt been announced called off as of yet , mayo are to play meath in ballina at 2pm
Im in dublin out on the northside and its not that bad albeit very windy but no diffent than salthill on a fine summers day
Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2024, 12:14:17 PMAccording to the Irish Times Wattys are "unbackable"
This is a sea change since the run up to the KC match
Northern bookies must have taken in walls of cash.
Well yes, that's how betting works. When one of the two most likely winners is eliminated, then the remaining participant has a much greater chance of winning than previously. Unbackable simply means that current prices on glen probably don't offer any value and bookies want their opponents backed in order to balance their books.
From early in this competition, glen and kilmacud were second favs and favs respectively. Money was going on them at 4/1 and 2/1 when Brigid's were probably not even listed in the betting.
Regarding a wall of money, I wouldn't think there'd be too much action on this either way, bookies have limits on events like this to protect themselves anyway.
Cooked Park looks okay. Grass very green on TG4.
Doesn't seem to be adversely affecting the hurling.
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 21, 2024, 01:44:20 PMDoesn't seem to be adversely affecting the hurling.
I think it affected the umpires on that clear goal that should have been given.
Bad call that.
How far behind the line was that.How neither umpire not see him putting the arm out with the ball/slithoir well behind the line.
Quote from: blasmere on January 21, 2024, 01:49:27 PMI think it affected the umpires on that clear goal that should have been given.
Shocking positioning by the umpires. Both behind the goals instead of one in line. Clear goal on the replays.
Shocking call ... umpire had absolutely no reason to be behind the goal
Gaels full value and should kick on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2024, 02:09:51 PMShocking call ... umpire had absolutely no reason to be behind the goal
Gaels full value and should kick on
Didn't want hit with the ball ;D.
Poor decision
Two amazing scores by Eanna Burke there. One the winner!
Gaels accuracy in second half was their Aughrim . Thomas's had the composure and the last point was sublime.
Brigids to finish the deal now.
Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2024, 03:00:51 PMGaels accuracy in second half was their Aughrim . Thomas's had the composure and the last point was sublime.
Brigids to finish the deal now.
Scores seem to be harder got at the Canal end tody.
Expecting a low scoring football game
Jack Doherty a big loss for Glen.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2024, 03:02:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 21, 2024, 03:00:51 PMGaels accuracy in second half was their Aughrim . Thomas's had the composure and the last point was sublime.
Brigids to finish the deal now.
Scores seem to be harder got at the Canal end tody.
Expecting a low scoring football game
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2024, 03:02:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 21, 2024, 03:00:51 PMGaels accuracy in second half was their Aughrim . Thomas's had the composure and the last point was sublime.
Brigids to finish the deal now.
Scores seem to be harder got at the Canal end tody.
Expecting a low scoring football game
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2024, 03:02:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 21, 2024, 03:00:51 PMGaels accuracy in second half was their Aughrim . Thomas's had the composure and the last point was sublime.
Brigids to finish the deal now.
Scores seem to be harder got at the Canal end tody.
Expecting a low scoring football game
it is into the wind
Brigids 4-2 ahead in opening 17 minutes. Ben O'Carroll usually scores those type of goal chances.
At Brigids very slick in possession so far. Much smaller team than Glen but playing to strengths by avoiding contact, I think Glen might eventually wear them down but the bigger pitch suits Brigids.
Yeah my feeling on this game has been that it's not the given people think it will be.
Warnock is struggling on O'Carroll.
Fancy a draw, was 7/1
This will go to be wire
O'Carroll the best player on the pitch so far, real live wire.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2024, 03:52:52 PMFancy a draw, was 7/1
This will go to be wire
I got it at 17/2
Wattys haven't got into it . Brigids forwards motoring. Glass is very impressive . Ben Carroll is also featuring
Eunan Mulholland is off.
Noamh Brid had an unreal first half last day
Great game this, end to end.
And just like that all square, glen won't want half time
Half time St Brigids 0-8 Glen 1-5. Strong finish to the half for the Derry men, Brigids won't be happy with their defending especially on the goal.
Going by the flags on the Cusack side St Bridets had the breeze?
Where all the wingers now about calling the game off lol
Glen will be happy enough going in level as Brigids played most of the football in that first half. They've managed to largely bypass the Glen midfielders from kick outs with Glen making a big mistake by not pushing up on kick outs and forcing them long.
With a few adjustments at half time, better shooting and making it more of a physical contest Glen still have time to turn the screw in the third quarter. But they rarely make it easy for themselves.
Good competitive encounter. Brigids four ahead and motoring. That 1-1 in the final two minutes of the half a big turning point in the match for Glen.
What way is the breeze going? McFaul took a fairly long point for the breeze to be badly against him?
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 21, 2024, 04:03:11 PMGoing by the flags on the Cusack side St Bridets had the breeze?
If anything Glen had the breeze but it's blowing more across the pitch into the Hogan Stand. It's not really a factor in favour of either side though.
Would expect Glen to pull away in second half. Ben O'Carroll is a class footballer.
F**k, but that Mark Harte is fond of the sound of his own voice!
How much has that cub McGuickin missed for Glen.3/4 pts?
Going to be tight!!
Glen ot playing well at all.
Look like they are complacent.
Need a big effort here or they could get well beat. Need to cut out the mistakes and make more of their chances.
Goal for Brigids no surprise Ben O'Carroll was involded. 1-8 to 1-5 34 mins played
Warnock getting cleaned out. Mark number 13 right and glen can win.
Looks like a change now.
Glen playing very bad, Dougan obviously injured, should he have started.? Glen don't seem to have the forwards, McGuckin missed again.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2024, 04:19:00 PMHow much has that cub McGuickin missed for Glen.3/4 pts?
Bagful.
Went for goal there when he should have taken the point.
Must have no subs or that lad being gone, missed another one.
McFaul taking a few low percentage shots. He's very poor today
How many wides have Glen got? Must be 10+. Glass the only man playing anything.
At least one poster will be happy with Glens performance ;D
Glen are bottling this, so wasteful. Hope they can finish strong
Glen's shooting has been woeful.
Brigids looked gassed. Faded badly against Castlehaven.
They are too methodical. St brigids more off the cuff. Get the ball on end line work back to 45, try and find an opening. Repeat.
45 mins played St Brigids 1-9 Glen 1-6
I don't think Glen are bottling it as such, Naomh Brid's performance has been excellent
So many stupid shots from distance. Panic setting in. They're kicking themselves out of it.
How many wides will Glen have at the finish, brutal shooting.
Seriously though wtf are Glen thinking with some of these shots, decision making is woeful
This is a shooting meltdown from Glen similar to Cill na Martra last week.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2024, 04:32:18 PMI don't think Glen are bottling it as such, Naomh Brid's performance has been excellent
Agreed. More football in them thus far anyway and the best forward on the field by a country mile.
Glen have lost the plot. Look unrecognisable from the well drilled machine they normally are
Textbook black card for Glen.
That was stupid, Glen are imploding.
Glen 16/5 to win it now.
Glen have been terrible!!
The black card sums them up so far they haven't shown up today at all.
Glen have too many athletes , and not enough footballers
That would be my view too.
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2024, 04:35:21 PMTextbook black card for Glen.
Real silly play. 52 mins played Brigids 3 in front.
This Brigids slow coming off his line. Fine on the kickouts.
Glass the only lad standing up for Glen here.
Ben O'Carroll taken out with slide tackle.
Think he said this on a previous game topic.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2024, 04:39:23 PMGlass the only lad standing up for Glen here.
Unreal today.
Hardly intentional.
Reality is st Brigids are a much better team.
10 wides to none. Hard to overcome that
Out of nothing goal for Glen level game
Glass is class
Sensational from Glass.
Glass act, what a finish!
Holy Jaysus, what in the f**k was the keeper doing there
Smash and grab on?
He has been phenomenal this game.
Quote from: Schkite on January 21, 2024, 04:45:18 PMHoly Jaysus, what in the f**k was the keeper doing there
nuts
Silly boy there for Brigid's, should have gave the quick ball and it would have been a handy fist over point for the free man
Ref misses giving Glen 2 scorable frees here
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2024, 04:47:38 PMRef misses giving Glen 2 scorable frees here
just made up for it
Think Glen should have got a free a bit earlier, but in front now anyway. Brigid's got proper rattled from that goal and they look a bit goosed now
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 21, 2024, 04:44:56 PMOut of nothing goal for Glen level game
Goalie poor for both goals.
St Brigids only themselves to blame.. schoolboy stuff from them at times their keeper is awful
Brigid's have threw this away, crazy goal to concede from their own free
F*ck me what a turnaround. All those bad misses from Glen but here they are finishing the strongest. Brigid's look shell shocked and Glen aren't letting up
Glass said during the week he shows his leadership on the pitch and how well he has done that today
Some performance from Glen ,,, they brought the game to them
That lad should have scored 7 pts today.
Warnock point before Glass goal was vital. Congrats to Glen.
Still can't believe what Brigid's and their keeper were playing at for that Glass goal. Made his mind up for him and have him a big target to aim at with the keeper off his line. Brigid's looked home and hosed, but that goals completely changed the momentum and gave Glen back the belief, and Brigid's couldn't recover in time
Good foul there tbf. Very surprised he went for it in these conditions
Strong finish to both halves by Glen the difference. Real heartbreak for Brigids with 4 point leads on a number of occasions.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 21, 2024, 04:45:07 PMSensational from Glass.
He kept them in it for the first 20 and won it for them in the last 20.
Glen have Glass to thank for this win. What a player
Football can be such a great sport when two teams just go at it.
What a time to hit your first wide! Well done Glen, tough luck St Brigid's.
Couldn't be happier for Malachy O'Rourke, what a legend. Wherever he goes, success follows
Glad for glass they won that. He had some game but glen were poor. You will rarely see a team play so poor and win an ai but doubt they will care.
Congrats to Glen, thought Brigids played much the better football but the Glass goal changed the contest.
Glass never have buy a drink in Maghera ever. Stood tall like the player I know he is.Best team lost, but then again Glen were the better team last year and lost Only Dougan and Glass played anything. Glen must have 13 odd wides.MuGuckin missed enough to win 2 games.
Wow!
What finish.
Can't say they deserved it on the day but great to see them over the line.
Some goal from glass.
Well done Glen, enjoy the celebrations.
Undeserved.
Very hard on Brigids, the better team for most of that match.
Delighted for Glen. Poor enough performance but balls of steel at the end.
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2024, 04:53:34 PMThe Southern lads just don't have the same mental strength.
Knob
Brigid's will be kicking themselves. Still trying to wrap my head around the decision making and positioning of the keeper for that 2nd goal
Glen weren't the better team last year. Sure they said themselves they weren't.
Dougan onto o'carroll probably winning of the game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2024, 04:55:48 PMGlass never have buy a drink in Maghera ever. Stood tall like the player I know he is.Best team lost, but then again Glen were the better team last year and lost Only Dougan and Glass played anything. Glen must have 13 odd wides.MuGuckin missed enough to win 2 games.
Thought the number 10 was good. Very direct runner
Glen didn't deserve that but that Conor Glass goal worthy of winning any game.
You'd nearly feel sorry for the Rossies.... Nearly.
Glen didn't deserve to win that. But Glass did.
Dougan going onto McCarroll closed that threat down.
I would say they can't believe they played that badly and still won.
Dougan was excellent but Glass won them the contest, stood up when it mattered.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 21, 2024, 04:58:03 PMGlen didn't deserve that but that Conor Glass goal worthy of winning any game.
You'd nearly feel sorry for the Rossies.... Nearly.
dont know about that. They had a lot of ball but kept butchering the chances. Bridgets were super efficient but just didnt have enough
Brigids were 4 points up with 10 to go and in control and the Briguds CB pushed Alex Doherty in the back as he was running away from goal for a nothing free ... it gave Glen a bit of oxygen and they went on from there.
What can you say about Glass... coming back from Aussie Rules to be MOTM and win an All Ireland for his club. Serious character!!!
Crazy to give that goal away from their own free, Glen finished strong but Brigid's will be kicking themselves, better team lost
Him and the energy mcguckian and Ethan Doherty had at the end too were massive factors but without him would have meant nothing. Warnock was decent when moved off o'carroll too.
The Brigids lad who went down with cramp (in a 30 mins a side match) cost his team.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 21, 2024, 04:58:03 PMGlen didn't deserve that but that Conor Glass goal worthy of winning any game.
You'd nearly feel sorry for the Rossies.... Nearly.
was well taken but shocking from the keeper what was he doing in no man's land with them three points up and glen were panicking at that stage.Felt glen took wrong options nearly all day and was a real smash and grab pushed on by glass who was excellent when mattered.two strong finishes to each half was winning of game for glen congratulations.Dougan onto o Carroll was a big move also.
Fair play, they deserved an all ireland after the way they were cheated out of it last year.
Won't be a cow milked on the Glenshane tonight.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2024, 05:03:40 PMFair play, they deserved an all ireland after the way they were cheated out of it last year.
Won't be a cow milked on the Glenshane tonight.
Not sure they were cheated tbh but they won the game.
The best team wins the game, if you're behind at the final whistle you can play the most open attacking game ya want but it only matters what happens with score at the end.
Glen worthy champions based on their ability to get back to Croke.
Naomh Brid could come back next year, so they can use the same mentality of Glen to take the win
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 21, 2024, 05:01:35 PMCrazy to give that goal away from their own free, Glen finished strong but Brigid's will be kicking themselves, better team lost
Aye crazy decision making with that free at that stage of the game, really poor pass.
Watching the replay, the goalkeeper was in no man's land.
Games was won similar to the way Kilcoo won against Crokes with a last minute goal, a few yrs ago.
Maghera will be bleckkkk BLECKKKKKK way people the nite 😆😀
Congrats Glen, fair few underperformed on the day but they always find a way. Some run of tight matches they've come out on right side of. Crazy play by stbrigids for the goal but thems the margins
Uppa Wattys lol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 21, 2024, 05:25:19 PMMaghera will be bleckkkk BLECKKKKKK way people the nite 😆😀
Congrats Glen, fair few underperformed on the day but they always find a way. Some run of tight matches they've come out on right side of. Crazy play by stbrigids for the goal but thems the margins
Uppa Wattys lol
Can't beat a good aul Tony Scullion quote.
Exceptional game of football and Brigid's were surely deserving of a least a draw. Credit to both teams on a super game in those conditions and well done to Glen on the win.
St Brigid's be kicking themselves. Glen not at their best today but punished some stupid mistakes at the wrong times from St Brigid's.
Conor Glass in terrific form as Derry gear up for another potentially big 2024.
Wattys finished stronger.Experience counts. Brigids will be back. They will dominate Connacht for a while. The Rossies are on the rise.
There was no sign of Bronagh. All the neighbours she name checked Dougan, McCarville,Glass. A real community rooted in excellence.
I wouldn't mind a trip up to Maghera.
Can't grudge that to Glen, but a sore one to let slip from a Ros perspective. Thought beforehand that Glen would overpower Brigids from the start and squeeze the life out of the game a long way out, so fair play Brigids for going at it from the start.
Glass is class, always in the right place at the right time either attacking or defending, definitely the game breaker today.
Fair play to the Derrymen, as they said themselves, some journey. Hopefully another time for Brigids, but Pearses, Boyle and possibly one or two more won't make Roscommon easy for them this year.
Total smash and grab by Glen. St B will be feeling so, so hard done by. Keeper caught way out of position and couldn't set himself to dive at the shot.
Think they will find it hard enough to get back next year.
Wonder when last time Ukster teams held Senior-Int-Jnr AI club football titles at same time?
Quote from: Substandard on January 21, 2024, 05:31:36 PMCan't grudge that to Glen, but a sore one to let slip from a Ros perspective. Thought beforehand that Glen would overpower Brigids from the start and squeeze the life out of the game a long way out, so fair play Brigids for going at it from the start.
Glass is class, always in the right place at the right time either attacking or defending, definitely the game breaker today.
Fair play to the Derrymen, as they said themselves, some journey. Hopefully another time for Brigids, but Pearses, Boyle and possibly one or two more won't make Roscommon easy for them this year.
I don't think that is by accident, his positional play is unbelievable and he is a very intelligent footballer. Outside of Clifford he is the player I would most want to have on my team. Glen were way below par today but he was one of their few players that played with calm assurance throughout aside from the goal.
Congrats to Watty Grahams, An Gleann. Their name was on the Andy Merrigan cup and few would begrudge them. Up until the 58th minute, you would not have thought so and the Kiltoom lads will have nightmares, as we all will in Ros, playing that free over and over in our heads. Credit to Glass. He fairly pulled the trigger when he saw the chance. Brigids really done the county proud, playing some lovely football along the way and clubs like Boyle will know they are not too far off either. Hopefully a few of those lads will now go on to have a good year with Ros.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 21, 2024, 05:40:34 PMTotal smash and grab by Glen. St B will be feeling so, so hard done by. Keeper caught way out of position and couldn't set himself to dive at the shot.
Think they will find it hard enough to get back next year.
Wonder when last time Ukster teams held Senior-Int-Jnr AI club football titles at same time?
A first according to Ulster GAA
That free kick will haunt the St Brigid's number 12
Well done Glen and fine achievement for three Ulster teams to win the three All-Ireland club titles on offer.
Brigids left with a might have been. A decent goalkeeper away from winning that All-Ireland, let me guess he's an outfield player that was put in goal because of no other options for that position?
Glen 11 wides in total for such experienced team and one that played in last years final it was a surprise that their shot selection and decision making was poor.
It might have been a mistake that led to the Glen goal, but Glen made a litany of mistakes throughout the game.
St. Br should have been out of sight so I think its unfair to blame the loss on that one mistake.
How many of that side would be county players?
Roscommon could be seriously strong this season.
I'd expect a few of the Glen lads to get drafted in. Douggan, glass, ethan doherty, emmet Bradley, mcfaul maybe Jack doherty and danny tallon.
Brilliant for the watties, brilliant for derry.
Glen's fitness a massive thing too and I noticed someone say it on twitter - pushing the keeper up on kick outs had a big impact as did the pressing they were doing. You have to feel for at brigid's but glen finished very strong and may have done so whether they scored goal or not. The fitness levels of mcguckian, Doherty and glass are off the charts.
Dougan did well though he did get away with one when he more or less shoved o'carroll over and then won a free out. Still think warnock deserves credit for having basically a stinker on o'Carroll then becoming very influential when moved.
Ah lads what a game of football. St Brigids by a mile the better team all day but hats off to Glen the experience shone through.
Conor Glass probably the best player in the country at the minute, what a performance. Commiserations to the Rossies, would love to see them back at this stage next year again and go one better.
2 excellent teams.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 06:32:26 PMWell done Glen and fine achievement for three Ulster teams to win the three All-Ireland club titles on offer.
Brigids left with a might have been. A decent goalkeeper away from winning that All-Ireland, let me guess he's an outfield player that was put in goal because of no other options for that position?
Glen 11 wides in total for such experienced team and one that played in last years final it was a surprise that their shot selection and decision making was poor.
The goalie didn't look like a natural but his kickouts were decent. Mark Gibbons a former Dublin minor goalie has transferred into Brigids. He might be in goal next year.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 21, 2024, 06:53:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 06:32:26 PMWell done Glen and fine achievement for three Ulster teams to win the three All-Ireland club titles on offer.
Brigids left with a might have been. A decent goalkeeper away from winning that All-Ireland, let me guess he's an outfield player that was put in goal because of no other options for that position?
Glen 11 wides in total for such experienced team and one that played in last years final it was a surprise that their shot selection and decision making was poor.
The goalie didn't look like a natural but his kickouts were decent. Mark Gibbons a former Dublin minor goalie has transferred into Brigids. He might be in goal next year.
Kickouts may have been decent but ultimately poor goalkeeping has cost St Brigid's. A competent keeper should be saving that.
The ball was past him and three other defenders.
Games are won over 60+ minutes
Mistakes happened throughout the game.
Hanging the keeper before looking at the other 14 players decisions/shots tackles and frees over the course of the game is where you should look at
If Brid's were the better team they'd have seen out a 4 point advantage on 58 minutes
Exactly - they missed a great goal chance too. It's the sum of them.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 21, 2024, 06:53:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 06:32:26 PMWell done Glen and fine achievement for three Ulster teams to win the three All-Ireland club titles on offer.
Brigids left with a might have been. A decent goalkeeper away from winning that All-Ireland, let me guess he's an outfield player that was put in goal because of no other options for that position?
Glen 11 wides in total for such experienced team and one that played in last years final it was a surprise that their shot selection and decision making was poor.
The goalie didn't look like a natural but his kickouts were decent. Mark Gibbons a former Dublin minor goalie has transferred into Brigids. He might be in goal next year.
Kick outs was very hit and hope. Weak link addressed if that former Dublin minor goalkeeper proves to be an upgrade.
The keeper was badly out of position, but they should've killed the game when the fella went down with cramp. Could've got a least another 30secs out of that and calmed things down. Instead a quick free is lost, and a defender is still lying on his back getting treatment and Glen get the goal.
On Glen's first half misses they must've hit 4/5 identical wides, with the ball trailing off to the left hand side of the post.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2024, 07:32:59 PMThe ball was past him and three other defenders.
Games are won over 60+ minutes
Mistakes happened throughout the game.
Hanging the keeper before looking at the other 14 players decisions/shots tackles and frees over the course of the game is where you should look at
If Brid's were the better team they'd have seen out a 4 point advantage on 58 minutes
Exactly this but people often like to look for scapegoats in defeat. The keeper was fine apart from the positioning for the goal, plenty of other players underperformed far worse on the day but the winners write the script.
Well done the Watties.
A good quality and enjoyable All-Ireland final. That was a serious effort by a mainly young Brigids team playing in their most important game against hot favourites Glen and at the very end a missed free away from bringing the game into extra time
Brigids were 4 points up towards the end of the 1st half also played most of the football yet found themselves level at the break, letting that lead slip probably proved as damaging as the 2nd goal that allowed a below par Glen level it up and then go on to win. In a one point defeat the two quick points directly after each goal proved decisive.
Well done to Glen takes a very good team to come back after disappointment the following year and win it out. Be interesting to see will they have the desire for more after that success today.
11 wides, 1 player i think was responsible for ar least 5 of them and 2falling short, McFaul missed 2 himself when he always score
Brigids were in control and let it slip. As they say "nothing beats being there". It's not a coincidence the last 3 All Ireland Champions have lost a final before they won it!
Brigids will be back I'm sure of it!
Awful night for the homecoming in Maghera :o
Quote from: Brendan on January 21, 2024, 09:18:00 PMAwful night for the homecoming in Maghera :o
Think they'll find somewhere able to home then tonight
Some Googling of yer man Watty done today.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 06:43:58 PMAh lads what a game of football. St Brigids by a mile the better team all day but hats off to Glen the experience shone through.
Conor Glass probably the best player in the country at the minute, what a performance. Commiserations to the Rossies, would love to see them back at this stage next year again and go one better.
2 excellent teams.
That's tara David Clifford has retired at 24.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 21, 2024, 09:32:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 06:43:58 PMAh lads what a game of football. St Brigids by a mile the better team all day but hats off to Glen the experience shone through.
Conor Glass probably the best player in the country at the minute, what a performance. Commiserations to the Rossies, would love to see them back at this stage next year again and go one better.
2 excellent teams.
That's tara David Clifford has retired at 24.
Hard to compare 2 positions but I'd have Glass up there. Clifford has his off days as well but Glass always seems to step up in the big moments.
Glass stood up and was counted throughout the game, especially in the first half. Great man for getting a hand in into dispossess.
Don't know why Brigid's kept kicking ball in his direction near the end as he was lording it. Safest thing was to keep it away from him.
Glen were lucky but kept hanging in there without playing well and that's what it's all about. Stay in the game. A lot of pot shots which you wouldn't expect from them or a MOR team but maybe just showed how rattled they were. But, as I say, they hung in there.
Tough luck on St. Brigid's as they played really well. Young team who'll learn from the experience.
Going by the past few years, their name is on the Andy Merrigan in 2025!
Quote from: marty34 on January 21, 2024, 10:35:56 PMGlass stood up and was counted throughout the game, especially in the first half. Great man for getting a hand in into dispossess.
Don't know why Brigid's kept kicking ball in his direction near the end as he was lording it. Safest thing was to keep it away from him.
Glen were lucky but kept hanging in there without playing well and that's what it's all about. Stay in the game. A lot of pot shots which you wouldn't expect from them or a MOR team but maybe just showed how rattled they were. But, as I say, they hung in there.
Tough luck on St. Brigid's as they played really well. Young team who'll learn from the experience.
Going by the past few years, their name is on the Andy Merrigan in 2025!
Would like to see them do it as a neutral. 13 for them was unreal today, really enjoyed watching them as a team.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 21, 2024, 10:35:56 PMGlass stood up and was counted throughout the game, especially in the first half. Great man for getting a hand in into dispossess.
Don't know why Brigid's kept kicking ball in his direction near the end as he was lording it. Safest thing was to keep it away from him.
Glen were lucky but kept hanging in there without playing well and that's what it's all about. Stay in the game. A lot of pot shots which you wouldn't expect from them or a MOR team but maybe just showed how rattled they were. But, as I say, they hung in there.
Tough luck on St. Brigid's as they played really well. Young team who'll learn from the experience.
Going by the past few years, their name is on the Andy Merrigan in 2025!
Would like to see them do it as a neutral. 13 for them was unreal today, really enjoyed watching them as a team.
We lost 2006 won in 2010. Its nearly true but Clan Na Gael never got one after soooo many losses
Brids will have to get out of Ros first.
Tough on them today but lack of experience and fatigue had them doing some sloppy things near the end.
Only 2 substitutions points to a lack of depth in the squad.
They certainly showed they weren't out of place on the big stage and did themselves, their families, Club and County proud.
Hopefully the County lads will be given a few weeks rest and come back refreshed for the last 5 League games.
Meanwhile Boyle, CnanG, Pearses, Ros Gaels and others will be plotting their demise next Autumn.
Boyle coulda shoulda bet them in 23.
Nothing is guaranteed for St. Brigids. Plenty has gone to the well once and never got back again. It's a long journey.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2024, 10:47:07 PMNothing is guaranteed for St. Brigids. Plenty has gone to the well once and never got back again. It's a long journey.
Whats in the favor is their age profile with most of their best players today in their early 20s. No guarantee indeed as first they'll have to come through their own championship (just sneaked past Padraig Pearses, Boyle this campaign) then you have a competitive Connacht championship to win whereby Galway reps are always tough to beat and Mayo will eventually have another strong club team capable of winning a provincial senior title.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 10:06:30 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on January 21, 2024, 09:32:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 06:43:58 PMAh lads what a game of football. St Brigids by a mile the better team all day but hats off to Glen the experience shone through.
Conor Glass probably the best player in the country at the minute, what a performance. Commiserations to the Rossies, would love to see them back at this stage next year again and go one better.
2 excellent teams.
That's tara David Clifford has retired at 24.
Hard to compare 2 positions but I'd have Glass up there. Clifford has his off days as well but Glass always seems to step up in the big moments.
I think Glass has absolutely been the catalyst for Derry and Glen since his return. He got a bit of flack over the past 12 months, including from brolly who reckoned he was hiding or something of that nature in big games??
For me he's the ultimate team player, sacrifices his own game for the team if that's required, the performance against cork last year was a prime example, he spent the game covering that defensive space, making tackles, dispossessing players, intercepting and sweeping up and rarely taking the wrong option. Incredible engine too, delighted to see him drive that team to success and great that he finally won a man of the match award - not that he probably cared too much, but there's no doubt there'd be no Andy merrigan in maghera without his efforts today.
3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Glen played an awful lot of games to win a club All-Ireland. Many of them tight games.
Quote from: onefineday on January 21, 2024, 11:49:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 10:06:30 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on January 21, 2024, 09:32:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 06:43:58 PMAh lads what a game of football. St Brigids by a mile the better team all day but hats off to Glen the experience shone through.
Conor Glass probably the best player in the country at the minute, what a performance. Commiserations to the Rossies, would love to see them back at this stage next year again and go one better.
2 excellent teams.
That's tara David Clifford has retired at 24.
Hard to compare 2 positions but I'd have Glass up there. Clifford has his off days as well but Glass always seems to step up in the big moments.
I think Glass has absolutely been the catalyst for Derry and Glen since his return. He got a bit of flack over the past 12 months, including from brolly who reckoned he was hiding or something of that nature in big games??
For me he's the ultimate team player, sacrifices his own game for the team if that's required, the performance against cork last year was a prime example, he spent the game covering that defensive space, making tackles, dispossessing players, intercepting and sweeping up and rarely taking the wrong option. Incredible engine too, delighted to see him drive that team to success and great that he finally won a man of the match award - not that he probably cared too much, but there's no doubt there'd be no Andy merrigan in maghera without his efforts today.
Same Brolly that wasn't giving Malachy O'Rourke the credit he deserved. He might now say he was wrong about Glass and O'Rourke or will hell freeze over first?
Oh hell freeze over!
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 22, 2024, 12:02:22 AM3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Has anyone heard from Oso today??
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2024, 10:44:06 PMBrids will have to get out of Ros first.
Tough on them today but lack of experience and fatigue had them doing some sloppy things near the end.
Only 2 substitutions points to a lack of depth in the squad.
They certainly showed they weren't out of place on the big stage and did themselves, their families, Club and County proud.
Hopefully the County lads will be given a few weeks rest and come back refreshed for the last 5 League games.
Meanwhile Boyle, CnanG, Pearses, Ros Gaels and others will be plotting their demise next Autumn.
Boyle coulda shoulda bet them in 23.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2024, 10:44:06 PMBrids will have to get out of Ros first.
Tough on them today but lack of experience and fatigue had them doing some sloppy things near the end.
Only 2 substitutions points to a lack of depth in the squad.
They certainly showed they weren't out of place on the big stage and did themselves, their families, Club and County proud.
Hopefully the County lads will be given a few weeks rest and come back refreshed for the last 5 League games.
Meanwhile Boyle, CnanG, Pearses, Ros Gaels and others will be plotting their demise next Autumn.
Boyle coulda shoulda bet them in 23.
it is hard to win the competition on the first attempt. Brigids have the pedigree to make the necessary improvements. Brian Stack and O'Carroll will be even better next year.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 22, 2024, 12:02:22 AM3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I forgot how important junior football is.
Loved Glass's interview after the game, asked to eulogise about M O'Rourke and he completely turned it on its head. He was there to do a job and that's what he did - it wasn't about him it was about the people from Glen and that Community.
Really honest from him and good to see.
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:00:20 AMQuote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 22, 2024, 12:02:22 AM3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I forgot how important junior football Cavan Division 1 is.
Fixed that for you ladeen
Quote from: NAG1 on January 22, 2024, 09:20:39 AMLoved Glass's interview after the game, asked to eulogise about M O'Rourke and he completely turned it on its head. He was there to do a job and that's what he did - it wasn't about him it was about the people from Glen and that Community.
Really honest from him and good to see.
That's it, it wasn't Malachy who led them to 4 Ulster minor championships in a row, every club would love a malachy O'Rourke or a Mickey Moran but at end of the day they wouldn't have achieved all they have without the work of many volunteers over many decades.
On another note is there no sort of highlights programme ever for the Club final?
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 22, 2024, 12:02:22 AM3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd say they're over the moon dancing in the streets etc in Donegal, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Down and Antrim.....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2024, 12:27:54 AMGlen played an awful lot of games to win a club All-Ireland. Many of them tight games.
Surely tight games are expected the further you go in the competition. Not really tested in Derry but got a few tight games in Ulster but that's the norm to be honest
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 22, 2024, 10:58:43 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2024, 12:27:54 AMGlen played an awful lot of games to win a club All-Ireland. Many of them tight games.
Surely tight games are expected the further you go in the competition. Not really tested in Derry but got a few tight games in Ulster but that's the norm to be honest
Beat Slaughtneil by a point in Derry
did glen lose games what was there record in derry group stage.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2024, 11:25:31 AMdid glen lose games what was there record in derry group stage.
Cruised through it unbeaten. They were without their county men for the first few games too I think.
First senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since 1993.
Ballinderry in 2002?
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 22, 2024, 11:44:08 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since 1993.
Ballinderry in 2002?
2002 was in Thurles
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
derry minors 2002...and if you want to count it, st pats maghera hogan 2013
It was a big psychological barrier for Glen to overcome yesterday by winning the final in Croke Park. If they had lost that game I think they would have found it hard to get back there.
For Derry as a county it could be the big breakthrough that might elevate them to believe that they can challenge to win an AI title. I think they will be one of around 5 teams that could win it this year and it certainly helps to have a few AI winners among the squad.
Quote from: seanyb on January 22, 2024, 11:56:50 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
derry minors 2002...and if you want to count it, st pats maghera hogan 2013
he did day senior tbf
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
dont forget the McCusker brothers
Quote from: seanyb on January 22, 2024, 11:56:50 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
derry minors 2002...and if you want to count it, st pats maghera hogan 2013
Conor Carville, Conor Glass, Danny Tallon, Cathal Mulholland and Stevie O'Hara were all part of the St. Pats Maghera Squad who lifted the Hogan in 2013. All involved yesterday.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 22, 2024, 12:14:59 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 22, 2024, 11:56:50 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since
1993. Enda Gormley and Magheraaa are the links.
https://youtu.be/BOwfxfCRRXs&t=223s
derry minors 2002...and if you want to count it, st pats maghera hogan 2013
he did day senior tbf
didnt see that, throw in steelstown last year then too lol
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 22, 2024, 11:44:08 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since 1993.
Ballinderry in 2002?
Not according to the Irish Times
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 12:35:53 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on January 22, 2024, 11:44:08 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since 1993.
Ballinderry in 2002?
Not according to the Irish Times
Croke Park was being redeveloped when Ballinderry won it. The final was played in Thurles I'm pretty sure.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2024, 12:14:14 PMIt was a big psychological barrier for Glen to overcome yesterday by winning the final in Croke Park. If they had lost that game I think they would have found it hard to get back there.
For Derry as a county it could be the big breakthrough that might elevate them to believe that they can challenge to win an AI title. I think they will be one of around 5 teams that could win it this year and it certainly helps to have a few AI winners among the squad.
Yes a psychological barrier lifted and while the building blocks has been in place with their past underage success credit must go to O'Rourke for leading them to All-Ireland win a year after losing the final narrowly the year before. Main question now is what's next for Glen? Happy with their lot or do what Corofin did recently and look to win a few more All-Irelands?
For me I'd have 3 teams that could win the All Ireland this year (Derry,Kerry,Dublin)
They'll be other contenders but for any of them to reach the final I'm thinking they'll have to avoid that trio on route.
Derry need to find a couple more forwards.
Quote from: Armamike on January 22, 2024, 01:06:56 PMDerry need to find a couple more forwards.
They've done some job of keeping everyone fit the last 2 years, that record won't continue either after 2 years like they've had.
Quote from: Armamike on January 22, 2024, 01:06:56 PMDerry need to find a couple more forwards.
There was good Derry forwards on their 2020 U17 All-Ireland winning team and are few better for making good underage forwards into good senior forwards than Mickey Harte.
Derry need more depth. You look at that game yesterday and Glen did the damage in the last ten. Kerry and Dublin won the semi finals last year in the last ten and Dublin won the final last ten really. You need depth to do that which they lack a bit of.
Yep, it's tyrones most recent all ireland cathal mcshane, darragh canavan and tiernan mccann were all able to come off the bench to arguably make them stronger. Many reckon your strongest team should finish matches
Thats 4 different Derry clubs now with All-Ireland Senior Club Football titles. Same amount as Dublin and one less than Kerry, though their totals include sides that are no longer allowed to enter the competition (UCD and East Kerry respectively).
And the interesting thing about the four, there are 25 mins at the max from Glen to Ballinderry. Bellaghy and Lavey in between that drive. A pure hot bed
Credit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Quote from: Sonny Joe on January 22, 2024, 02:01:39 PMAnd the interesting thing about the four, there are 25 mins at the max from Glen to Ballinderry. Bellaghy and Lavey in between that drive. A pure hot bed
Slaughtneil will rue their missed chance in 2017
Quote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Agreed on making your own tradition but that only happens in special circumstances. This is a very gifted group of footballers in Glen and in Glass they have one of the top 5 players in the country. They nearly threw it away yesterday but got over the line.
Question now is can they back it up? Good teams win 1, great teams back it up. Had yesterday taken the edge off them enough or are they hungry for more. Much will depend on how much Harte expects of them for Derry. The body can only do so much so back to back will be a huge ask
Quote from: ranch on January 22, 2024, 12:40:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 12:35:53 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on January 22, 2024, 11:44:08 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 11:38:35 AMFirst senior all ireland win by a Derry team in Croke Park since 1993.
Ballinderry in 2002?
Not according to the Irish Times
Croke Park was being redeveloped when Ballinderry won it. The final was played in Thurles I'm pretty sure.
It was in Thurles. 100%
Will Malachy O Rourke stay on with Glen or bow out at the top?
Quote from: An Watcher on January 22, 2024, 01:43:51 PMYep, it's tyrones most recent all ireland cathal mcshane, darragh canavan and tiernan mccann were all able to come off the bench to arguably make them stronger. Many reckon your strongest team should finish matches
A few teams have tried that and games was ended as a contest before they started to make changes.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2024, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Agreed on making your own tradition but that only happens in special circumstances. This is a very gifted group of footballers in Glen and in Glass they have one of the top 5 players in the country. They nearly threw it away yesterday but got over the line.
Question now is can they back it up? Good teams win 1, great teams back it up. Had yesterday taken the edge off them enough or are they hungry for more. Much will depend on how much Harte expects of them for Derry. The body can only do so much so back to back will be a huge ask
Appreciate you've won a few but have to disagree, great teams win 1, yes other teams come along that transcend an era and elevate themselves higher in the pantheon, but Glen and others with 1 title are still great in my view considering what it takes to get there. Be interesting to see how they go next year, really is a brilliant competition
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 22, 2024, 02:50:14 PMQuote from: An Watcher on January 22, 2024, 01:43:51 PMYep, it's tyrones most recent all ireland cathal mcshane, darragh canavan and tiernan mccann were all able to come off the bench to arguably make them stronger. Many reckon your strongest team should finish matches
A few teams have tried that and games was ended as a contest before they started to make changes.
Dublin should have lost to Mayo in one of those years due to this :(
If you have stronger on the bench you need pretty strong on the pitch in the first place. Not many have that.
I was delighted for Malachy O'Rourke, He is one of the most insightful coaches in the game as well as a superb communicator and if Wattys had lost it would have been a very hard blow for him. The association will really benefit from his wisdom in the years ahead .
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2024, 12:14:14 PMIt was a big psychological barrier for Glen to overcome yesterday by winning the final in Croke Park. If they had lost that game I think they would have found it hard to get back there.
For Derry as a county it could be the big breakthrough that might elevate them to believe that they can challenge to win an AI title. I think they will be one of around 5 teams that could win it this year and it certainly helps to have a few AI winners among the squad.
Derry need marquee forwards. Wattys don't seem to have any to spare. Glass scored that wonder goal from midfield. There isn't much evidence of a correlation between club success and the Sam Maguire in recent years because of the stranglehold of the Dubs and the wider variety of club winners but in 1998 Corofin did win the club and that was followed up by Galway winning Sam.
Late to this but a lot are saying how great Brigids were, but I think their style of play looks so nice when they have the tails up. Even then, Wattys missed a lot of scorable shots and were able to get at them.
When they were a bit more clinical towards the end it made all the difference. Great game of football to be fair.
I cannot understand what Brigids were flutin about with that free out that led to the goal.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2024, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Agreed on making your own tradition but that only happens in special circumstances. This is a very gifted group of footballers in Glen and in Glass they have one of the top 5 players in the country. They nearly threw it away yesterday but got over the line.
Question now is can they back it up? Good teams win 1, great teams back it up. Had yesterday taken the edge off them enough or are they hungry for more. Much will depend on how much Harte expects of them for Derry. The body can only do so much so back to back will be a huge ask
Not sure about nearly throwing it away. What I've seen of them the last two years they tend to create a lot of chances and kick a lot of wides in matches. McFaul for example is a top footballer and important player for Glen but shooting/shot selection isn't the best. Glen was 2-1 in front on ten minutes and wouldn't lead again until 61st minute. Getting over line is their main strength and no bad trait to have even the Dublin 6 in a row team did that a few times against Kerry and Mayo.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 22, 2024, 04:19:59 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2024, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Agreed on making your own tradition but that only happens in special circumstances. This is a very gifted group of footballers in Glen and in Glass they have one of the top 5 players in the country. They nearly threw it away yesterday but got over the line.
Question now is can they back it up? Good teams win 1, great teams back it up. Had yesterday taken the edge off them enough or are they hungry for more. Much will depend on how much Harte expects of them for Derry. The body can only do so much so back to back will be a huge ask
Not sure about nearly throwing it away. What I've seen of them the last two years they tend to create a lot of chances and kick a lot of wides in matches. McFaul for example is a top footballer and important player for Glen but shooting/shot selection isn't the best. Glen was 2-1 in front on ten minutes and wouldn't lead again until 61st minute. Getting over line is their main strength and no bad trait to have even the Dublin 6 in a row team did that a few times against Kerry and Mayo.
They never really looked like getting over the line yesterday and it looked like they had run out of ideas. Once Mulholland was black carded I thought they were gone and it was only after Glass scored the goal that they seemed to find some extra energy from somewhere.
They have the quality and the age profile to come back and win another AI title providing the desire remains.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 22, 2024, 12:02:22 AM3 all Irelands for ulster clubs. I'll be on pints of seafoids tears as he tries to claim ulster football is weak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Show me where I said Ulster football was weak.
My point remains that Ulster football fans tend to disregard the quality of Connacht teams
because of this :
"Field Marshal Slim: Nothing is ever as good or as bad as the first reports of excited men would have it"
and that this is reflected in ridiculous odds such as yesterday when Wattys were 4/11 instead of evens.
The game could have gone either way right until the end.
Ulster and Connacht football are both developing nicely. It is great to see both provinces making progress.
Quote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2024, 04:31:45 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 22, 2024, 04:19:59 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2024, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Agreed on making your own tradition but that only happens in special circumstances. This is a very gifted group of footballers in Glen and in Glass they have one of the top 5 players in the country. They nearly threw it away yesterday but got over the line.
Question now is can they back it up? Good teams win 1, great teams back it up. Had yesterday taken the edge off them enough or are they hungry for more. Much will depend on how much Harte expects of them for Derry. The body can only do so much so back to back will be a huge ask
Not sure about nearly throwing it away. What I've seen of them the last two years they tend to create a lot of chances and kick a lot of wides in matches. McFaul for example is a top footballer and important player for Glen but shooting/shot selection isn't the best. Glen was 2-1 in front on ten minutes and wouldn't lead again until 61st minute. Getting over line is their main strength and no bad trait to have even the Dublin 6 in a row team did that a few times against Kerry and Mayo.
They never really looked like getting over the line yesterday and it looked like they had run out of ideas. Once Mulholland was black carded I thought they were gone and it was only after Glass scored the goal that they seemed to find some extra energy from somewhere.
They have the quality and the age profile to come back and win another AI title providing the desire remains.
They need one or 2 more forwards to win more, I think. In years that teams win you need luck and they got it this year. Last year eg Glass' shot was saved in the final. This year it went in.
Winning one is amazing and changes the parish forever so I would never look down on it. Bellaghy, Lavey, Ballinderry and now Maghera are a class apart in Derry football because of the all Ireland.
But thinking that adding to 1 is a foregone conclusion is not borne out by the statistics. In the last 20 years most winners have not gone on to win more. It literally is the toughest. I think you need a special team to go beyond 1. To follow up you make your own luck and you beat the statistics by having a strong defence and midfield and scoring forwards.
That is the difference between winning one and winning more.
Only Cross and Corofin seem to have gone beyond 1 in the last 2 decades.
Club is funny. Brigids could win next year and then follow up. You just don't know.
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Derry City is the 4th/5th biggest city in the country.
Only Belfast Dublin and Cork are bigger with Limerick in around the same size depending on the source.
Despite being a soccer town on the law of averages there should still be one or two strong GAA teams in the city.
I know Steelstown could be argued as a strong club but the other 3 or 4 clubs in the city are languishing in junior.
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Quote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 06:07:37 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If you look at the Derry senior team from last year, all 15 players were from south Derry.
The minors, iirc, had about 13 or 14 starters from south Derry.
A few lads from Derry City this year which is great to see but north Derry adding very little to the county, football wise. This is disappointing as Derry always had great players from north Derry on board.
South Derry clubs have put in huge work over this past 15 years and this is bearing fruit now. There's a competitive edge to it now at underage which is good.
Glen are a great template as a club. Huge effort was put in with those minor teams and they did fantastically well to bring as many of them through to seniors as possible.
A lesson for all clubs.
Quote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 06:27:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 06:07:37 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 07:41:19 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 06:27:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 06:07:37 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in
That's council districts which is pretty irrelevant for this discussion, most of the Derry clubs would be in causeway or mid Ulster. Derry Strabane is half in Tyrone
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 07:41:19 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 06:27:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 06:07:37 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in
That has no relevance to county.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 22, 2024, 07:56:57 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 07:41:19 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 06:27:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 06:07:37 PMQuote from: Mario on January 22, 2024, 05:59:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 04:48:52 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 22, 2024, 04:36:40 PMQuote from: bannside on January 22, 2024, 02:25:19 PMCredit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.
Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.
People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.
Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?
Coleraine bucking that trend of course.
If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses
1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour
For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.
Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.
Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?
Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in
That has no relevance to county.
It does actually
Someone said Derry is 50% protestant
It is split between AREA followed by % CATHOLIC
Causeway Coast and Glens 40.1%
Derry and Strabane 72.4%
Fermanagh and Omagh 64.3%
So 50% is very unlikely unless 60% of the county is in Causeway Coast and Glens
West of the Bann the Protestant% is below 40% I would imagine
The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
County Derry is approximately 65% nationalist.
Approx 30% of that 65% live in Derry City .
Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in players from outside the parish?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2024, 08:42:57 PMIs Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in players from outside the parish?
Neighboured by Slaughtneil, Lavey. Bellaghy, Screen etc close by.. Not sure who'd they'd be taking players from.
They were Intermediate 10 years ago.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2024, 08:42:57 PMIs Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in players from outside the parish?
It is.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2024, 08:42:57 PMIs Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in players from outside the parish?
Hardly describe them as a "super club" like Crokes etc. Proper community club as far as I know. Glass and those boys grew up together sure didnt they win a couple of Ulster minors. Fair few of that team won a hogan cup around 2013 and theres a few more macrory medals after that as well.
The whole thing about protestants in the 6 counties don't play GAA is becoming less of a factor now anyway less areas are becoming no go areas in terms of catchment
Quote from: Brendan on January 22, 2024, 09:04:11 PMThe whole thing about protestants in the 6 counties don't play GAA is becoming less of a factor now anyway less areas are becoming no go areas in terms of catchment
Still very few of them playing. So theres approx 50% give or take across the north.
Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Aw here.
Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
He's back! On a mission!
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2024, 08:42:57 PMIs Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in players from outside the parish?
Glen the parish but Maghera the town.
Surrounded by Lavey and Bellaghy on one side, Slaughneil and Swatragh and Ballinascreen on the other.
Maghera a good location - half way between Belfast and Derry with the new road networks opened up this past few years.
Strongly nationalist town with a good few new housing developments in it although a lot of Swatragh, Lavey and Slaughtneil people living in the town now I think.
Two chapels and 2 primary schools but some kids go to the Irish school in Slaughtneil.
They won 4 Ulster Minor titles in a row (iirc) in Belfast (St. Paul's Tournament) so that's the basis of that team. They got a good few of them through with Conor Glass on a few of them teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2024, 09:07:01 PMQuote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Aw here.
Facts or not?
Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Who did win yesterday?
Not oso it would appear ;D
Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 09:22:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2024, 09:07:01 PMQuote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Aw here.
Facts or not?
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Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 09:22:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2024, 09:07:01 PMQuote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Aw here.
Facts or not?
Just watching glass goal again in hindsight the Brigid's defender should have been more cynical and took glass out and a black card.Glen were completely panicking coming down the straight and the goal gave them a new lease of life, think Brigid's would have seen it out with 14 and two point lead presuming glen would have tipped free over.if only the men were as cynical as those cynical maghera men lol.
Tbh glen should have moved warnock off o'Carroll far sooner and if they did I don't think it would have been left so late as most of the damage being done was coming through him warnock a better ball player than man marker.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 22, 2024, 10:14:15 PMTbh glen should have moved warnock off o'Carroll far sooner and if they did I don't think it would have been left so late as most of the damage being done was coming through him warnock a better ball player than man marker.
Yeah I was thinking that from very early on he was getting cleaned and it was fairly obvious to see.
Think it was O'Carroll who missed the goal chance in the first half as well? Really should have done better for it.
Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Oso, suck it up! Safe to say, we never see Cargin remotely near a Ulster title foreby a All-Ireland. And no, I ain't from Glen.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2024, 11:09:39 PMOso, suck it up! Safe to say, we never see Cargin remotely near a Ulster title foreby a All-Ireland. And no, I ain't from Glen.
Why do you assume I'm from Cargin?? As I've stated before I'm not from Cargin.
Wrong again!! And you can't even dispute one point I made about Sunday's game because I'm correct on all of them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
;D the King of Cargin hath spoken
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Leavin aside Mr Oso special as I'm pretty sure he's on the windup at this stage, is it an antrim or Belfast thing to keep calling each other wee man 🤣🤣
I can picture two of yis standing there calling each other wee man wee man wee man till yous both reach about 4ft tall then agree on a truce 🤣🤣
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 09:12:55 AMLeavin aside Mr Oso special as I'm pretty sure he's on the windup at this stage, is it an antrim or Belfast thing to keep calling each other wee man 🤣🤣
I can picture two of yis standing there calling each other wee man wee man wee man till yous both reach about 4ft tall then agree on a truce 🤣🤣
Feck up big man!
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:33:17 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2024, 11:09:39 PMOso, suck it up! Safe to say, we never see Cargin remotely near a Ulster title foreby a All-Ireland. And no, I ain't from Glen.
Why do you assume I'm from Cargin?? As I've stated before I'm not from Cargin.
Wrong again!! And you can't even dispute one point I made about Sunday's game because I'm correct on all of them.
Your points are irrelevant. Glen ARE All Ireland Club Champions. There's no * next to them on the roll of honour saying St Brigid's really should have won it.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 09:12:55 AMLeavin aside Mr Oso special as I'm pretty sure he's on the windup at this stage, is it an antrim or Belfast thing to keep calling each other wee man 🤣🤣
I can picture two of yis standing there calling each other wee man wee man wee man till yous both reach about 4ft tall then agree on a truce 🤣🤣
He's about 5 ft 6 at a push in his studs, screw in ones, not mouldies mind.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Quote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Armagh levels of saltiness. Love it. LOVE IT.
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2024, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: Oso on January 22, 2024, 08:36:27 PMThe best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday. Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line. They were made to look average.
Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards. I've highlight this before.
St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.
The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free????? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage??? I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul?????
The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.
Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.
And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game. As cynical as it gets.
Football didn't win yesterday.
Armagh levels of saltiness. Love it. LOVE IT.
Ah we aren't that bad!
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
You forgot wee man. But carry on 🤝😜
"They will be remembered by their people" - the Follower, Donegal Democrat
https://twitter.com/Doiregaa/status/1749139115591733581
The Bellaghy man in that photo landed up yesterday to Maghera with a few of his 1972 mates.
This is really interesting
1. The 1993 Ulster final
Scullion's block narrated by Enda Gormley (Wattys)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTpxHxtJ6z4&t=111s
2. Enda Gormley takes over the boys from the estate from age 14 and tells them they have something special
3. https://twitter.com/GCallaghan8/status/1749525391167869366
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
Far from me to stand up for MR2 but considering he is actually a ref your armchair comments are slightly strange. Surely he is less of an armchair ref than the rest of us windbags who don't walk the walk. Unless your going to tell me your a ref?
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free
I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.
All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.
Move on..
This is the depths Oso has sunk us to, we're finding ourselves sticking up for MR2. God I hate him
Did an ex girlfriend from Maghera cheat on you Oso or what's the reason for the bitterness?
Not to stick up for Oso (albeit he is great value), however it is usual and advised I have been told when a player is injured, any kind of injury and their is a break in the the ref should not restart to the player is treated. The ref only has to stop the game during play if it is a head injury. Can I check if that is correct MR2?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 04:22:25 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free
I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.
All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.
Move on..
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 23, 2024, 03:54:03 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
Far from me to stand up for MR2 but considering he is actually a ref your armchair comments are slightly strange. Surely he is less of an armchair ref than the rest of us windbags who don't walk the walk. Unless your going to tell me your a ref?
Armchair in that he is an expert on teams he's never actually seen play. He does go to games, when he gets expenses as a ref. Way too tight to actually pay into a game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 04:22:25 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free
I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.
All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.
Move on..
That's the stupidest post yet. Of course players are more likely to get cramp if approaching fatigue if suddenly hauled or dragged and their muscles have to stand up to a sudden involuntary movement. If you don't know.....don't open your mouth, you know what Abraham Lincoln would say.
You subscribe to the school of "well i've never seen it so it can't be a thing". That evidence based practice. I'm looking for the clown emoji here but seems there isn't one.
So you've confirmed you know f@#k all about sports science. You're also well on the way to confirming you either don't know the rules or actually don't know how to apply them properly. But then we all knew that already, you've just put it in type.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 04:28:06 PMThis is the depths Oso has sunk us to, we're finding ourselves sticking up for MR2. God I hate him
Maybe you can answer the original questions I posed?
1-1 for Glen directly from bad calls from the referee between the 58th and 60th minute in a one point game!!
I doubt you've the literacy tbh
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 05:08:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 04:22:25 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free
I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.
All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.
Move on..
That's the stupidest post yet. Of course players are more likely to get cramp if approaching fatigue if suddenly hauled or dragged and their muscles have to stand up to a sudden involuntary movement. If you don't know.....don't open your mouth, you know what Abraham Lincoln would say.
You subscribe to the school of "well i've never seen it so it can't be a thing". That evidence based practice. I'm looking for the clown emoji here but seems there isn't one.
So you've confirmed you know f@#k all about sports science. You're also well on the way to confirming you either don't know the rules or actually don't know how to apply them properly. But then we all knew that already, you've just put it in type.
So when a player gets cramp it's down to being fouled? 👌
And the ref should stop play for cramp
And no, the ref is not obligated to stop play because he knows nothing on sports science.
I wonder will they bring that into the training for ref's ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 05:17:13 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 05:08:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 04:22:25 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 02:54:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 09:29:58 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 08:38:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2024, 10:22:37 PMPissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick
Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man. You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.
Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man
Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair. I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them?
Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.
A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.
I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.
As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at
I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged.
The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp. He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment. The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them??
Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??
You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know. Did you not see it from your armchair? Or do you not understand what I'm asking? The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??
"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul. Jesus wept
I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free
I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.
All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.
Move on..
That's the stupidest post yet. Of course players are more likely to get cramp if approaching fatigue if suddenly hauled or dragged and their muscles have to stand up to a sudden involuntary movement. If you don't know.....don't open your mouth, you know what Abraham Lincoln would say.
You subscribe to the school of "well i've never seen it so it can't be a thing". That evidence based practice. I'm looking for the clown emoji here but seems there isn't one.
So you've confirmed you know f@#k all about sports science. You're also well on the way to confirming you either don't know the rules or actually don't know how to apply them properly. But then we all knew that already, you've just put it in type.
So when a player gets cramp it's down to being fouled? 👌
And the ref should stop play for cramp
And no, the ref is not obligated to stop play because he knows nothing on sports science.
I wonder will they bring that into the training for ref's ;D
No, you said that!! You just made that bit up!
Read what I said again....slowly
Based on this evidence they should probably bring in an IQ test though.
No one's saying the ref should "stop play for cramp"
The ref had already stopped play for a foul which directly led to the player who was fouled needing medical attention from the physio.
Jeez, what part don't you get??
Computer says no!!
Quote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 05:11:50 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 04:28:06 PMThis is the depths Oso has sunk us to, we're finding ourselves sticking up for MR2. God I hate him
Maybe you can answer the original questions I posed?
1-1 for Glen directly from bad calls from the referee between the 58th and 60th minute in a one point game!!
I doubt you've the literacy tbh
The f*ck am I debating with you wee man but keep going you're entertaining if nothing else
Just curious if you rate Glen at all yet but also don't really want you to answer
Update - Glens 3rd night of celebration cancelled as Oso still won't acknowledge them
The ref did nowt wrong.
Not obligated to stop play for cramp
The rest of your post is irrelevant
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 05:50:40 PMQuote from: Oso on January 23, 2024, 05:11:50 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 23, 2024, 04:28:06 PMThis is the depths Oso has sunk us to, we're finding ourselves sticking up for MR2. God I hate him
Maybe you can answer the original questions I posed?
1-1 for Glen directly from bad calls from the referee between the 58th and 60th minute in a one point game!!
I doubt you've the literacy tbh
The f*ck am I debating with you wee man but keep going you're entertaining if nothing else
Just curious if you rate Glen at all yet but also don't really want you to answer
Update - Glens 3rd night of celebration cancelled as Oso still won't acknowledge them
Good...know your place!
Injuries: General - Play shall not be stopped
for injury to a player, except in exceptional
circumstances to enable a seriously injured
player to be treated on the field or removed
from the field of play. All other Injuries shall be
treated off the field of play.
I'll jot this down as not a serious injury and play carries on. If it happened earlier in the game then refs are more likely to allow treatment but towards the end of the game they are less likely to allow treatment to avoid players trying to slow the game down and you'd usually only see it for head injuries.
Boys the sooner we agree they were the luckiest winners ever the sooner we can move on. The ref won them the game again Cargin the fog won it for them in the semi and the cramp won it for them in the final.
Joke of a team. 2 defeats in 3 years. Both avenged
Sorry. Can't help it 😋
Have to agree with Oso, the ref was poor between the 58th and 60th minute..
he missed a blatant black card rugby tackle by O'Carroll after his shot was superbly blocked down.
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2024, 08:04:33 PMIt does actually
Someone said Derry is 50% protestant
It is split between AREA followed by % CATHOLIC
Causeway Coast and Glens 40.1%
Derry and Strabane 72.4%
Fermanagh and Omagh 64.3%
So 50% is very unlikely unless 60% of the county is in Causeway Coast and Glens
West of the Bann the Protestant% is below 40% I would imagine
Taking 2021 census figures:
Co. Derry (less Derry City) - 167K
Catholic - 88K (53%)
Protestant - 68K (40%)
No religion given - 11K (7%)
so slightly over 50% catholic - depends on the make-up of the no religon given people - my experience would suggest likely to be from a unionist tradition, but that's largely anecdotal.
AIB GAA CLUB PLAYERS AWARDS 2023/24
FOOTBALL
Rory Beggan (Scotstown)
Ryan Dougan (Watty Grahams, Glen)
Brian Stack (St Brigid's)
Pearse Frost (St Brigid's)
Ruaidhrí Fallon (St Brigid's)
Ciaran McFaul (Watty Graham's, Glen)
Michael Warnock (Watty Graham's, Glen)
Conor Glass (Watty Graham's, Glen)
Emmett Bradley (Watty Graham's, Glen)
Eunan Mulholland (Watty Graham's, Glen)
Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)
Shane Walsh (Kilmacud Crokes)
Ben O'Carroll (St Brigid's)
Darragh Kirwan (Naas)
Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
AIB GAA CLUB FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR NOMINEES
Conor Glass
Ben O'Carroll
Shane Walsh
HURLING
Gerald Kelly (St Thomas')
Paddy Burke (Ruairí Óg, Cushendall)
Fintan Burke (St Thomas')
Huw Lawlor (O'Loughlin Gaels)
David Fogarty (O'Loughlin Gaels)
Paddy Deegan (O'Loughlin Gaels)
Shane Cooney (St Thomas')
David Burke (St Thomas')
Paddy Leavey (Ballygunner)
Mark Bergin (O'Loughlin Gaels)
Conor Cooney (St Thomas')
Peter Hogan (Ballygunner)
Dessie Hutchinson (Ballygunner)
Éanna Burke (St Thomas')
Neil McManus (Ruairí Óg, Cushendall)
AIB GAA CLUB HURLER OF THE YEAR NOMINEES
Paddy Deegan
David Burke
David Fogarty