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Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,there's been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

I've seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and I'd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didn't see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads weren't playing on any of those nights. I'm still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you it's a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 we're playing in the minor final last Sunday.

Regardless of whether lads are good enough from my club or yours for that matter

The bottom line is that this years u16 team was a closed shop and has been since those lads were u14


It mightn't suit you to hear it but that's the reality

It really doesn't matter what suits me. I'm not involved in any way other than I have a couple of nephews around this age grade. I'm still struggling with the notion that any set of mentors would close the shop at 14 and not be open to bringing in anyone who sticks their hand up.

You can struggle all you want,but that's the reality and it's been said to you by a good few posters at this stage,you need to get a bit more clued into what's going on with underage hurling development in the county.

Personally very happy to see more money spent to pay for coaches at U-12/14/16. It is the only investment that actually pays off. GDAs are supposed to do this work but not enough of them and not sufficiently connected to the club structures. When I win the euromillions I will personally fund a high profile passionate ex-Laois hurler and pay him well to coach at U12/14 in every school and club in Laois. He will keep his job if measurable standards improve, otherwise he will be replaced. The measurable standards will be based on skills and number of players coming through at each age grade, titles will look after themselves.

Colm Begleys old position is being advertised in the past week,which will bring us up to 5 GdA's The same number as Tipp and Kerry.

Ideally I'd love to see another Hurling GDA for the portlaoise urban area as Juvenile hurling bar at u15 is on its knees in there.

I accept senior payments.. I just have issues with paying people to train a team of kids, thats all. Now its done I wish them all the best and hope it works out.

All the serious hurling counties have "budgets" in place for their  underage squads

It's a bit of a change from us going cap in hand to Martin Fogarty to see if he could  get anyone for us to potentially getting McGrath onboard.

I hope it's the DLS Harty McGrath we are getting and not the McGrath of the single and double sweeper,we are getting

His Harty winning teams played a lovely brand of hurling

Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,there's been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

I've seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and I'd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didn't see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads weren't playing on any of those nights. I'm still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you it's a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 we're playing in the minor final last Sunday.

Regardless of whether lads are good enough from my club or yours for that matter

The bottom line is that this years u16 team was a closed shop and has been since those lads were u14


It mightn't suit you to hear it but that's the reality

Who actually told you it was a closed shop??

U15 management only have two mentors involved. The previous years management couldn't commit for various reasons. Hard for them to carry two panels when only two people willing to help out.

Outrageous name being thrown around as minor hurling coach. Anyone else hear anything. Thankfully it ain't muldooley!!!

I asked our GDA was their going to be a trial for this years u16 team,he came back to me and the answer was an emphatic No.

The last trial for this particular team was when they were u14.

The level of apathy towards underage hurling in this county continues unabated.

Delighted to hear it's not Muldowney,to say he went through the motions here as a GDA would be an understatement.

Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,there's been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

[09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk]

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

It will be up there with the myth soon enough of Hogan not getting sent off and then Kk winning in 19.

The only currency that counts in either county is  all ireland wins

And it now stands at 3 apiece.

Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn't finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn't the best move, but you can't assassinate the man for one defeat.

Tipp and Kk have played each other in 6 deciders

It stands at 3 apiece now,

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Cody is some man to set up a team when it has to be done on the fly not so much.

Lamping ball after ball into a Tipp full back line where Barrett was operating as the extra man and where the dogs in the street knew that the Tipp backs would foul continuously if ran at was an inexplicable  error

That's even before we get to him playing an injured Buckley,Hogan who was struggling even in the warm up and Adrian Mullen who spent a night on a drip midweek in St.Lukes,You'd wonder why he hadn't learnt from Tennyson and Shefflin in 2010

In 2016,The Tipp Full Forward line scored 2-21 and he didn't very little to counter act this despite having the likes of Jackie Tyrell in the stand.

thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up

They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

The KK 15 team that took the pitch had 40 all ireland medals between them,dont be swallowing the inexperienced or rebuilding line,their tactics were laughable to say the least.

They had more than a few young players who never played in an AIF before.
Winning is about building a cohesive team that plays to a system and gets into the right rhythm. It doesn't matter how many medals the older lads have if the young lads can't perform under pressure. When a team loses a few players have off days .

It wasn't the young players that let them down,a lot of the older crew simply didn't perform or weren't up to it,that and Cody's caveman tactics contributed to them getting a trimming.

He stood looking in 2016 as the Tipp Full Forward line scored 2-21 and did nothing either.

thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up

They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

The KK 15 team that took the pitch had 40 all ireland medals between them,dont be swallowing the inexperienced or rebuilding line,their tactics were laughable to say the least.

Given a choice between Laois and Waterford

I think Brennan would be mad to even consider them

Pat Ryan had the job last year down there and walked away when the players decided to interview him for the role

Anytime any of Ye want to become county board delegates lads,get the nomination from your clubs

That's just the first small step as county board delegates have as much say in things as a North Korean TD.

Power is vested in a small enough cabal and good luck with breaking in there

With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,we might need to change the thread title

The fact that John had to literally beg and try and recruit key people to his backroom team when the county board should have been doing it might have been a factor in his departure.

The fact that we couldn't appoint a doctor for our senior county team says it all.

All Ireland Hurling Quarter Final

44,135

I'd expect both Semifinals to hit close to the 70k mark especially the Tipp wexford game