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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: July 04, 2022, 10:43:05 PM »
Fair play to SW organisers of those sounds great , donít think happened In belfast unfortunately

Eh?

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General discussion / Re: Price of a Pint
« on: July 04, 2022, 08:43:14 PM »
Was in Dublin couple of weeks ago and itís similar to Belfast

Was in Dublin 2 beers and club sandwich (room service) Ä52

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General discussion / Re: Price of a Pint
« on: July 04, 2022, 08:35:03 PM »
a Guinness and a Heineken in the auld triangle the other week for the quarter final was 10.50euro  Surprised me tbh for Dublin prices. was paying 12 sterling in Belfast later on in the night
If this thread is correct, Belfast is more expensive for pints than Dublin

What establishment in Belfast you paid £12

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Mane had a much better second half of the season than Mo.  I've mixed feelings over this.  If Mo is way out in front on wages it could be very destabilising.  I would be happier to see him go if that's the case.

Could be a watershed moment for Liverpool and their wage structure. Maybe they've priced in inevitable wage increases for the rest of the squad.


VVD, TAA and Robertson will be banging on the door for the same I'd have thought.

Defenders never get the same wages as forwards although they will probably all want a significant pay rise. TAA and VVD both know they would go for big money if Liverpool cashed in. Robertson is wearing on a bit so possibly not so much, can't see Madrid or Barca being in for him but they would be interested in the other two.

Would have thought Robertson a better player than TAA, by a good margin too

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: July 04, 2022, 03:02:17 PM »
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?

I know. It's like 2 extremes.

One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised  number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!

i would say a lot of this 'money no object' is debt

If you have no mortgage, no car payments, or standard loans then you've no debt, other than that everyone has something they are paying off till you get to certain age.. Debt to me is your outgoings are more than your incomings

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: July 04, 2022, 02:59:28 PM »
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.

I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..

5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces

If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made! 

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 04, 2022, 02:18:23 PM »
Quote from: Milltown Row2
We move with the times, physical fitness part parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..

You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 .
On the physical side, the impression I get is that refs let loads of things go and more skilful players don't get the protection they deserve.
Re the scorelines, I would absolutely prefer 5-8 to 1-24. I have no doubt about the skill involved in tapping over from 100yds, that's doesn't make it something I enjoy watching, yes, once or twice it's great, but time after time, no thanks. As English pointed out in that article, who remembers points really? Maybe a few particularly significant ones or a sideline cut or two, but when it's more than a shot a minute with a 50/50 split between point and wide, does it not get a little bit boring for everyone else too? Am I the exception here?
The thing is and as you probably know from my puke football contributions, we don't have to accept that times have changed and that's it, rules can be tweaked to achieve a desired outcome, it happens in other sports and to my mind there's an argument for changes in hurling too. A proper black card would be another that needs introduction, football's needs work, but at least it's something. The refusal to embrace a black card/sin bin is emblematic of hurling's 'macho' culture.

Black car is in hurling now at intercounty level, I'm surprised you didn't know that

Tweaking football rules, so since the 70's the GAA has been tweaking rules, you could handpass the ball into the net back in the day, that was changed for the better.. then came a load of changes that tbh I haven't actually seen the rule changes as making football any better, in fact it creates more issues..

If you feel that football was better in the 70's then go watch your local junior club team, you will not be disappointed, or stick to juvenile games, highly entertaining and no defensive set ups

As I said, if you feel striking a ball 70/80 yards off the run (while being chased down) is simple, go try it.

As for goals, Limerick and Kilkenny on the way to the final have been involved in games that have produced 31 goals...

In the Munster championship there was on average 3 goals a game.

So if you prefer loads of goals go watch a under 10's tournament or a team that are far stronger that the other and you'll get that.

Some people harp on about the past, well the past is over and we've got a new style, it will adopt and change again over time, tactics will have a large part to play in that

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 04, 2022, 12:26:41 PM »
What really frustrates me about the modern game is when a players with the ball in hand gets surrounded by 3 or 4 players he has the easy option of handpassing 'throwing' the ball out of the tackle. It ridicules all the hard work of defending. If the defenders manage to stop him they will most likely have to foul him with a spare hand so now we have another layer of issues with the handpass.
Most legitimate one handed handpasses are fancy throws TBH and when there are too many of them it waters down the skill factor in the game. I sincerely hope something is done soon, it has to happen!

If Croke keep at the ref's to be more stringent on the handpass, blow for it if its not definitive, some passes that have been pulled for throws have actually when slowed down and checked at various angles have been a handpass.. so either handpass off the stick or allow the underhand 'throw' I wouldn't be for that though tbh.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 04, 2022, 10:49:40 AM »
Absolutely no evidence on the handpasses - but that's long been my impression, it's an unpoliceable rule, so it should be amended to one that refs can actually call out.

My point around goals aligns pretty much with yours, there's no incentive to try and work a goal, the advent of stats has confirmed that. Better to try and thump a few over from 100yds, misses are acceptable because the maths still makes sense. The easiest way to change that equation is to bump up the value of a goal, plus, to my mind, goals are so much more fun and make the game more entertaining for players and spectators and at the end of the day, that's what we want.
Nicky English had similar thoughts in this article:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/nicky-english-making-goals-worth-five-points-could-work-wonders-for-hurling-1.4596191
As for the physicality, my point is that not everyone will/can develop to the levels that top intercounty players are currently at, and with how the game has gone, that will make it very difficult for those players to compete at the top level. To my hurling uneducated mind, there was room for such players in the past, but modern hurling allows physicality to be an attribute way beyond what it ever was in the past. It's not dirty play necessarily, but to me looks borderline all the time, smaller players will get manhandled and refs seem reluctant to call fouls unless blatantly obvious and even then....

We move with the times, physical fitness is part and parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..

You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 ..

Small players, what can I say, I'm 5/6 never played senior county, played county juvenile for few years and played senior for club well into my 40's, size has its place, and if I was still playing I'd have to adopt my game, get stronger go to the gym (which we never did as players) and adopt accordingly.

As for the throws, a handpass can be changed to play the pass off the stick first, still think that the ref is policing it as best as he can, and few years ago there was something mentioned about a clear gap from the ball/hand, and if not pull them up, it went away for a bit, the throws were being coached and copied, there used to be the tap the ball on the stick and take another 4 steps, thats been sorted and they don't do it as much now

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 04, 2022, 08:58:07 AM »
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.

The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.

And about 50 other fouls in the game including several thrown balls. If we are going to clean up the game then lets have a serious conversation about the rules rather than focusing on fouls in the last minute of big
games.
Hurling at senior level nowadays is ridiculous, pure physicality, everything is let go, apart from every now and then the ref decides to call a throw ball (this when about 95% of handpasses are throws according to the rules). It seems to have gotten worse, more macho over the past few years? Players are impressive physical specimens and they aren't afraid to use that physicality.
They highlighted that young Offaly corner forward last night, my thoughts were that he may never show up at senior as he doesn't look like he has the frame to bulk up and develop to a level where he can make an impact?
I've also been moaning about the lack of goals and goal chances, most of which imo is down to the ridiculous ease with which points are scored. The incentive has to be changed, 5 points for a goal might make coaches try and focus on creating goal chances?

Confused with this one...

In the senior game the ref called the blatant ones he could see for himself in real time, not the slow mo multiple replays we get as viewers, have you a source for the 95% stat you threw up?

Goals just don't come about, and ultimately your keeper is there to stop goals, so well done keepers on doing your job

The sport is all about winning, so players taking the 100% chance (the point) over the 50% chance will take their points, the old saying "take your points the goals will come" springs to mind, been plenty of goals this year

As for the young Offaly player who'll never get big enough to play senior? WTF he's either 16 or 17 years old he has at least 6 years to develop into a man and be physically bigger and fitter to play senior. Offaly are getting to senior level but not there yet, so time on his side to develop

As for letting it go, its been tightened up considerably, no tackles from around the neck up, as for the physicality of the players, would you prefer them to be skinny? The size and strength of the players is one reason why they have the accuracy power and endurance to pick off scores

As for increasing the what you get for a goal why not just make it ten or even make the goals bigger.... 3 is plenty

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General discussion / Re: Lockdown memories
« on: July 03, 2022, 09:47:40 PM »
A number of weeks before lockdown, we took in a dog from a relative who Had  got fed up with it. I was reluctant as Iím not really a dog person, but the wee thing would have ended up in the pound so we  relented

When lockdown hit,  herself was working from home, and I was off so  had a lot of time on my hands, so I started taking the dog walking around the local roads. It was a great way of meeting and chatting to people especially with nobody visiting early days.

Started growing some fruit and vegetables  down the back field  and took the dog everyday with me. Weather was great, and she kept me company  while I tried my hand at all sorts of plants ( mostly badly). She spent her time  lying in the sun, digging holes,   keeping an eye on the sheep/cows next fields and running around the place and sometimes getting in my way and walking all over my plants  ;D I have great memories of those few months with her

Unfortunately a few months back she started going downhill. Tried different meds from vet but decline continued. Just over a month ago we lost her. Came down early one morning and she was gone.  I buried her in the back field  where we spent many memorable  days that summer., she probably kept us sane during those lockdown days, especially me. Iím absolutely heartbroken that sheís gone.

Sorry to hear that.

Oh thatís breaking my heart!! Iíd be lost without my furry buddies!!

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: July 03, 2022, 05:43:58 PM »
So Kerry wasnít great?

Was in Dingle 4 years ago.. Smashing time, food great craic mighty, wife not fussed on those long journeys (hates me driving)

But understand things are through the roof nowÖ

That said was in Donegal this weekend, friends have house just before Dunfanaghy, cracking time, went to McCarrys pub for food and drink, 6 of us, few drinks each mainsÖ Ä144 euro.. canít be bad to that

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 03, 2022, 05:22:19 PM »
Conor Cooney is seriously underperforming in most games Iíve watched. With the natural skill he has should be nearly scoring as many from play as he goes from frees

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2022
« on: July 03, 2022, 05:11:36 PM »
Yet more illegal throwing of the ball...they may as well just change the rules now

The ref rightly caught at least 3 or 4.. fouling the ball happens in all sports, do we change the rules or just call them when you can?

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: July 03, 2022, 04:26:10 PM »
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.

France has traditionally been big on national protests

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